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Analysts worry Israel might use weapons in preemptive strike on suspected Iranian nuclear weapons program
Reuters
WASHINGTON - The Pentagon notified Congress on Tuesday of a proposed sale to Israel of 100 guided bunker-busting bombs, a move that analysts said could prompt concerns about a unilateral Israel strike against Iran.
Israel has requested the sale of the Lockheed Martin Corp. GBU-28s worth as much as $30 million, the Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency said in a notice required by law for government-to-government military sales.
The GBU-28 was developed for penetrating hardened command centers located deep underground and would be used by the Israeli Air Force on their U.S.-built F-15 aircraft, the agency said.
Israel -- believed to be the Middle East's only nuclear armed state -- has denied speculation that it might make a military strike on
Iran to prevent it from producing an atomic bomb. In 1981 Israel sent jets to bomb an Iraqi nuclear reactor, fueling speculation of a similar strike on Iran.
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, in a interview with CNN earlier this month, said his country was not planning any military attack on Iran. Sharon, in a separate interview with Fox News, said: "Of course we take all precautions and all the steps to defend ourselves. But it's not that Israel should give the answer to the international problem" of Iran potentially developing a bomb.
In January, Vice President Dick Cheney warned Israel could in the future try to attack Iran's nuclear facilities. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency said the sale of the GBU-28s would "not affect the basic military balance in the region."
Analysts worried about preemption
John Isaacs, president of the Council for a Livable World, said the proposed sale was clearly "a provocative step" that would prompt concerns about a unilateral Israel strike, particularly in Iran and elsewhere in the Middle East.
"One could be suspicious that these bombs could be used for an Israeli attack on Iran," Isaacs said, noting that the bunker-busting bombs in question were nonnuclear, which limited their ability to dig far underground.
"This particular munition is designed to destroy deeply buried high-value assets such as command centers or nuclear weapons facilities," agreed Loren Thompson at the Virginia-based Lexington Institute. "Draw your own conclusions."
The success of any such strike on possible Iranian nuclear facilities would depend on the quality of intelligence about the location of such facilities, as well as how far underground such sites were buried, Isaacs said.
"It's not a slam-dunk in any way," He added.
Once notified, Congress has 30 days to reject planned foreign military sales but rarely does so.

Iran is no Piece of Cake mind you ;)

If it were that easy, it would've been done by now (instead of being made a 'hoopla' about it thus giving more clues to iranians to more "secure" their sites).


Plus, unlike Iraq, the reactors are functioning with russians there (another nation to spoli relations with??? is israel willing to??) plus the reason that Iran has israel within reach of its missiles (which the mullahs wouldn't doubt to lose with high Persian Nationalism).

If it were that easy, it would've been done by now
definetly not. Don't you remember all the noise made by the world when we easily targeted Saddam's nuke program?

If it were that easy, it would've been done by now
definetly not. Don't you remember all the noise made by the world when we easily targeted Saddam's nuke program?

Well I am not that old but the thing is that it was done after but right now, consequences are beginning to emerge BEFORE ANY SUCH ACTION!!!!!!!


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Awww....It's not nice to start such a war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The iranian government is absolutly crazy.. they spread propaganda like "israel must be blowed out".

The iranian government is absolutly crazy

lol, and here i thought the Iranian government fell 26 years ago...

freedom, is satelites forbidden in Iran? They say its becouse they want to protect you from hollywood, but in reallity it is becouse spreading propaganda :S

Zohar are those bunker busters? :eek2:

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/war-tech-bunker-buster.jpg

maybe i dont know:)

freedom, is satelites forbidden in Iran? They say its becouse they want to protect you from hollywood, but in reallity it is becouse spreading propaganda :S


Yeah, they are forbidden, but...


http://img204.echo.cx/img204/3607/frontsats2st.jpg


:D:D:D:D

freedom, hehe :D

it sounds like when children egg someone on to fight with another person because there too scared to do it.Israel would be silly to do anything of the sort with america hiding in the background benifiting.

No one is doing anything (US / Israel etc).. :nuts:

Let's hope for a near overthrow of the Islamist regime by the Iranian people!

Let's hope for a near overthrow of the Islamist regime by the Iranian people!

What do you mean by a "near overthrow"?

.. To make it easier for imperial powers to intervene???

What do you mean by a "near overthrow"?

.. To make it easier for imperial powers to intervene???


First of all, lol to the imperial power comment!
But no, i meant a overthrow of the regime by the Iranian people soon.

What do you mean by a "near overthrow"?

.. To make it easier for imperial powers to intervene???

Better to have it influenced by "teh 3v1l emp1re", than to have most of it's population repressed.

If Israel would turn into some sort of crazy religious state, I'd be glad if someone came and overthrew the idiotic government.

I doubt any attack on Iran will happen in any time soon but there are too much double standards in all this nuclear bull$hit in ME. Israel thinks it is a threat to them and I am sure Iran thinks the same about Israel's nuclear activities. So does that not give them right to strike on Israel using the same excuses?

When it comes to nuclear stuff I don't take sides, no one should have it and all nuclear weapons should be banned and destroyed before its too late. Once again we are being sucked in to a big US lies, first it was Iraq now Iran, Syria, who is next? Every country has a right to defend themselves. As long as Israel has nukes in ME of course all others will feel unconfortable and this is fueling the nukes race in the region.

If my neighbour has a weapon and does not like me, I'll keep a weapon and use it if I have to :guns1:

Lets hope for peace and stop beleiving US propaganda and paranoia :cheers:

I doubt any attack on Iran will happen in any time soon but there are too much double standards in all this nuclear bull$hit in ME. Israel thinks it is a threat to them and I am sure Iran thinks the same about Israel's nuclear activities. So does that not give them right to strike on Israel using the same excuses?

When it comes to nuclear stuff I don't take sides, no one should have it and all nuclear weapons should be banned and destroyed before its too late. Once again we are being sucked in to a big US lies, first it was Iraq now Iran, Syria, who is next? Every country has a right to defend themselves. As long as Israel has nukes in ME of course all others will feel unconfortable and this is fueling the nukes race in the region.

If my neighbour has a weapon and does not like me, I'll keep a weapon and use it if I have to :guns1:

Lets hope for peace and stop beleiving US propaganda and paranoia :cheers:

Israel has to be very powerful among all those hostile arab countries who only want to wipe Israel off the map..

Israel has to be very powerful among all those hostile arab countries who only want to wipe Israel off the map..

More they arm, the others will arm more too, if they keep their nukes other will want too. I hardly hear from other countries about Israel nuke capabilities yet when other countries does complaints start. To me, as long as Israel keeps their nukes every other nation in the region have a right to do so but the coin seems to be one sided in ME.

It is a dead end and will not help to Israel nor the other nations in ME. Israel can try destroying Iran's facilities but if Iran counter attacks and even with a very very low chances of hitting Israel's nuclear facilities this would destroy Israel and leave it unhabitable. Consider something similiar to Chernobyl case in Israel. Maybe posibilities are rare but not complately impossible.

Regarles what the cause is I am totaly againts any one having nukes, especially the big bully US.

More they arm, the others will arm more too, if they keep their nukes other will want too. I hardly hear from other countries about Israel nuke capabilities yet when other countries does complaints start. To me, as long as Israel keeps their nukes every other nation in the region have a right to do so but the coin seems to be one sided in ME.

It is a dead end and will not help to Israel nor the other nations in ME. Israel can try destroying Iran's facilities but if Iran counter attacks and even with a very very low chances of hitting Israel's nuclear facilities this would destroy Israel and leave it unhabitable. Consider something similiar to Chernobyl case in Israel. Maybe posibilities are rare but not complately impossible.

Regarles what the cause is I am totaly againts any one having nukes, especially the big bully US.

Of course every country has the right to develop whatever they want...

Iran can't possibly attack Israel, they haven't got the technology!
GTAsa I'm a bit interested in these stuff and I've read a lot about weapons and I know for sure that Iran is nothing compared to Israel in terms of military.
Only the US could harm them no one else..

Russia could?

Of course every country has the right to develop whatever they want...

Iran can't possibly attack Israel, they haven't got the technology!
GTAsa I'm a bit interested in these stuff and I've read a lot about weapons and I know for sure that Iran is nothing compared to Israel in terms of military.
Only the US could harm them no one else..

I wouldn't under estimate Iran nor compare to Iraq but the wars are not always about the weapons and you hear that everyday in the media with what is going on in Iraq. Iran won't attack Israel but I don't think they would sit like ducks if Israel ever try anything on Iran. Look at the map and see who would ever open their air space for Israel to attack Iran. Even Turkey would not allow that. They did not side with US when Iraqi invasion started so what are the chances of opening the air space for Iran to Israel.

My one guess would be Israel might use US ships or US bases in Afghanistan but that is unlikely to happen as this would put US in the war too and they are very much tied up in Iraq also I doubt US can afford another silly war. Don't confuse these wars to defending your country, both are totaly different.

Here is a scenario, Israel bombs the nuclear sites in Iran (if they can get that far), Iran declares war on Israel (and they will ), how possible Israel can fight this war? They might have air superiority but flights does not fly on orange juice and oil is something Israel does not have and will have to buy. Longer this war would take more it would damage Israel's economy and future. Now this is not such a bad scenario. If all above happens Syria will attack Israel too as (not sure if you have heard but) Syria-Iran have formed an alliance recently due the threats of America and add to this the Iraqi shias regarless US is there or not I have no doubts they will side with Iran too so Iran gets a path to Israel via Iraq and Syria and never forget the Palestinians whom I doubt will stay quite so here is a nice little mess in ME.

Now lets get to technology and weapons etc. Iran fought with Iraq for almost a decade and at the time Iraq was a super power in ME with the help of US and Europe. They did have the best of the technology and military equipment of the time but did not get them anywhere. I think it is pointless to think that having the best of technology and equipment means you will be the victor.

Now the nukes, would Israel use nukes? I don't know but if they do then all world will turn against them. Same for Iran but I do not think Iran would be the first to use the nukes in a conflict like this to turn the world against them. Don't forget we are assuming Israel attacking Iran so they are starting the war and will more likely be against the rest of the world wishes so no there will not be much sympathy for her.

As much as I do not like the regime in Iran, I do not see Iran as an aggresive nation in ME. When was the last time Iran started a war or attacked anyone in the region? I do not want them to have nuclear weapons but I do not want Israel to have nukes either, I want no one to have nukes regardless of their reasons. If Israel wants Iran to stop their nuclear activity they should do the same otherwise it is no ones bussiness what Iran is doing with their nuclear facilities. Who knows, next it will be Syria and maybe Jordan too will want nukes because Israel have them. What will Israel do? Bomb everyone trying to build nukes while increasing her own nuclear arsenal?

How can this be solved? Probably can't be unless both sides stop nuclear activity sit on the table and sort their differences out which I hope it will happen one day.

Peace at home, peace in the world :jippo:

As much as I do not like the regime in Iran, I do not see Iran as an aggresive nation in ME. When was the last time Iran started a war or attacked anyone in the region? I do not want them to have nuclear weapons but I do not want Israel to have nukes either, I want no one to have nukes regardless of their reasons. If Israel wants Iran to stop their nuclear activity they should do the same otherwise it is no ones bussiness what Iran is doing with their nuclear facilities. Who knows, next it will be Syria and maybe Jordan too will want nukes because Israel have them. What will Israel do? Bomb everyone trying to build nukes while increasing her own nuclear arsenal?

How can this be solved? Probably can't be unless both sides stop nuclear activity sit on the table and sort their differences out which I hope it will happen one day.

Peace at home, peace in the world :jippo:
GTAsa, your post was very thoughful. A few points reagrding your ideas. From Israel's perspective, Iran is an aggressor. They are the primary support of Hezbollah, who's decalred objective is the destruction of the State of Israel.

Iran stated they would like to use nuclear weapons against Israel even though millions of Muslims would also be killed.

Npw, Israel has never threatened anyone with nuclear attacks. And, had it not been for the implicit understanding that Israel is in possession of nuclear weapons, who knows if the hostilities from Iran, Syria, Saudi and other Arab countries who still are in a declared state of war with Israel, would have started up again. If Israel has nuclear weapons, it is very difficult to see them as anything other than a deterent to war. Whereas Iran has declared their intent to be otherwise.

Peace at home, peace in the world

GTAsa, your post was very thoughful. A few points reagrding your ideas. From Israel's perspective, Iran is an aggressor. They are the primary support of Hezbollah, who's decalred objective is the destruction of the State of Israel.

Iran stated they would like to use nuclear weapons against Israel even though millions of Muslims would also be killed.

Npw, Israel has never threatened anyone with nuclear attacks. And, had it not been for the implicit understanding that Israel is in possession of nuclear weapons, who knows if the hostilities from Iran, Syria, Saudi and other Arab countries who still are in a declared state of war with Israel, would have started up again. If Israel has nuclear weapons, it is very difficult to see them as anything other than a deterent to war. Whereas Iran has declared their intent to be otherwise.

Peace at home, peace in the world

Everythingisone, having nuclear weapons is already a threat to anyone in the region which is doing nothing in the favour of peace. If Israel can think having nuclear weapons are deterant to war, Iran can use the same claim, so can Syria, Saudi or others just like India and Pakistan today, just like US is only mouth when it comes to N. Korea and yet invade Iraq knowingly there was nothing there. So that deterant to war idea works but for all countries in the region not only for Israel.

I know it is a long shot but these crises should really be solved at the table under UN pressence or the other thirds parties that will ensure each others safety in the region and stop wasting billions on weapons to start improving lives. It is so sad and sick to see in this age and time in our world we spent more money on metal and powder killing machines instead of saving the people dying with hungers and diseases.

@GTAsa

With all due respect I disagree with regard to the importance of technology...
The US army is without any doubt the strongest army in the world because of their technology. Not even taking into account chemical weapons (and of course nuclear weapons)... But this is not the forum to talk about this, I invite you to another forum :D :cheers:

Sure Ozcan, but who is attacking US? Having them and using them is a different thing. All wars fought with the best of technology was available at their time but it is the human will and power that decides the war not the machinery and that is something I beleive.

Germany was technologicaly advanced against Russians in WWII. Many of the millions of Russian soldiers died without even weapons, most just picked the weapons of dying soldiers. What technology did Turks have between 1900 - 1923 comparing the technology that British, French, Italians had? And look at the technology Russians had against Afganis for decades. US was superior to Vietnamese. What can a technology do against a suicide bomber driving to your all singing and dancing tank, you might escape once, twice but eventually you be taken down. Can you imagine the state of US today if all Iraqis were united and against invasion?

When machines start deciding for wars we call Arnie :guns1:

Everythingisone, having nuclear weapons is already a threat to anyone in the region which is doing nothing in the favour of peace. If Israel can think having nuclear weapons are deterant to war, Iran can use the same claim, so can Syria, Saudi or others just like India and Pakistan today, just like US is only mouth when it comes to N. Korea and yet invade Iraq knowingly there was nothing there. So that deterant to war idea works but for all countries in the region not only for Israel.

I know it is a long shot but these crises should really be solved at the table under UN pressence or the other thirds parties that will ensure each others safety in the region and stop wasting billions on weapons to start improving lives. It is so sad and sick to see in this age and time in our world we spent more money on metal and powder killing machines instead of saving the people dying with hungers and diseases.
With reagrds to these other countries' relationship with Israel, there is a clear cut difference and argument with your statement. Israel has never been a threat to these countries. They had had to have defensive capabilities or else they could have been wiped out. These other countries have always been the aggressor and the ones who attacked Israel. So, their acquisition of weaponry is seen as another level of preparing for another attack. As long as these other countries are the clear aggressors, their weapons are not the same as Israel's. Israel has never shown or declared any interest in destroying these other countries, and have never used or threatened to use their weapons to do so. But these other countries have beem attacking Israel since 1948.

Whereas I agree that a world without weapons is a better condition and a safer one, it is unrealistic at this time. But I cannot accept your comparisons between Israel and the other countries.

Regardless of who is aggressor who is the sweet guy once the word is out every country have right to defend their citizens. To me it looks like ME will be where the second cold war going to be with stupid arm races while everything else is ignored. Hopefully I am wrong.

Regardless of who is aggressor who is the sweet guy once the word is out every country have right to defend their citizens. To me it looks like ME will be where the second cold war going to be with stupid arm races while everything else is ignored. Hopefully I am wrong.
I agree that in a the scheme of cultural dvelopment among various and interacting cultures, a more highly evloved and developed society may have to utilize the methods of lessor developed cultures in order to protect itself. It has been a shame for decades that Israel has been forced to spend an amazing amount of money of defense. That money could have been used for other purposes had the threat not been so present and up front.

I also understand that these other countries will chase after more and more destructive weaponry so long as they intend to destroy Israel or as long as they feel threatened by each other.

I am not applauding the weapons build up by any country. I am merely distinguishing the motiviation and threat level the weapons build up respresents for each of the nations.

Does any Israeli here know any good sites about Israeli weapons?

I also understand that these other countries will chase after more and more destructive weaponry so long as they intend to destroy Israel or as long as they feel threatened by each other.


Despotism ends where love is beginning.

Of course every country has the right to develop whatever they want...

Iran can't possibly attack Israel, they haven't got the technology!
GTAsa I'm a bit interested in these stuff and I've read a lot about weapons and I know for sure that Iran is nothing compared to Israel in terms of military.
Only the US could harm them no one else..

Their Shahab / No-Dongs can reach Israel! :|

Are you sure about that :D Won't Israel be able to shut them down?

Are you sure about that :D Won't Israel be able to shut them down?


Hi im new here.
First reply!
Israel probably can with the ‘arrow-2’ missiles which considered to be one of the best.
But a nuke is dangerous even if it explodes high (specially do Jordan though).

^^ Shalom - Welcome to the Israel Forum :)

Russia could?
blow up the entire world actually.

shohad(corruption) strong nickname:))))))))

welcome to israeli forum:)

do israel have any plans on implementing a missile shell? I guess it will be easy to do that becouse its such a small area to defend.

Does any Israeli here know any good sites about Israeli weapons?
Im not necessarily an israeli, but heres a good site http://globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/israel/index.html

Im not necessarily an israeli, but heres a good site http://globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/israel/index.html

Scotty thanks!

Hi im new here.
First reply!
Israel probably can with the ‘arrow-2’ missiles which considered to be one of the best.
But a nuke is dangerous even if it explodes high (specially do Jordan though).

shalom Shohad, welcome!

why are you people talking about military equipment and war when this is a skyscraper site???

Thanks for the welcoming people :)

Im not necessarily an israeli, but heres a good site http://globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/israel/index.html

As for an Israeli weapons site I think that the best is obviously
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/
Because the name suits it so well..

Thanks for the welcoming people :)



As for an Israeli weapons site I think that the best is obviously
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/
Because the name suits it so well..

OK thanks I will take a look...