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...notwithstanding the fact Canada really hasn't the army to back it up and why Quebec would almost certainly separate from Canada completely intact.

Quebec is also home to the notorious "vandoos" regiment and Canada couldn't expect their loyalty but would likey be opposed by them. The regiment is full of separatists.

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...notwithstanding the fact Canada really hasn't the army to back it up and why Quebec would almost certainly separate from Canada completely intact.

Quebec is also home to the notorious "vandoos" regiment and Canada couldn't expect their loyalty but would likey be opposed by them. The regiment is full of separatists.

We Canadians are peace-loving hippies, lol. :D

Whatever they do - just do something EITHER way. I'm soooo sick of hearing about it. I think many people just tune out now when the whole subject comes up. Many in my family live in Gatineau where many fear for their 'federal governement' jobs. I think it is more likely that another part of Canada will seperate before Quebec EVER does. Its time to start thinking globally rather than historically. Canada is more than just one province or language. We need to move beyond that and get our collective act together.

But we don't devote enough resources to woo markets that are helpful to our growth. Look at Australia, it's appealing to China and India, signing free trade agreements, agressively entering their markets. What have we done to enter China's market? Almost nothing, except for the occasional "TEAM Canada" visits to China. We're losing our competitive edge in these markets... & we've done nothing to stem the tide. Who cares about Quebec's 8 million customers, when China & India has hundreds of millions???

We as Canadians are too narrowminded, and have always almost focused exclusively on North America. We have to open our eyes and realize the full potential of globalization.

Food For Thought... who the hell cares about Quebec? ? ? Albertans realizes this fact, BCers realizes this fact, why haven't Ontarians accepted it yet???


Because Quebec is Ontario's greatest destination for exports within Canada...

Trade with China and India is all well and good, but North America is most convenient. It's not a case of either-or, though. We can have it all... and why not Quebec, too?

Because Quebec is Ontario's greatest destination for exports within Canada...

Trade with China and India is all well and good, but North America is most convenient. It's not a case of either-or, though. We can have it all... and why not Quebec, too?

Because we're off-focus. You've noticed how much energy we've devoted to Quebec, yet at the same time we lost market share in China and India. Canada only has a limited amount of diplomatic resources, so you can't have it all. You should realize that every country in the world is eyeing to carve up their own niche in Asia, and if we don't aggressively fight back, our economy will sag.

If Quebec is not willing to play fair, and we have to devote all our diplomatic resources just to appease them, then our economy will never realize its full potential.

With the world shrinking in size everyday, we can't use convenience as an excuse to avoid agressive expansion into the developing world's emerging markets.

loosening doesn't mean accepting criminals and other scums.

it means, accepting more people willing to come over and start a new life, because there's a quota in effect right now. (i think the quota for 2005 is 45k/y)


An independent Quebec would be to tell the difference between an immigrant and criminal. . They would be able to do this better than any other country. This is because people of an independent Quebec would just do things better. In this perfect paradise everyone will wear a happy happy face.

oceanmdx: actually atlantic provinces profit the most from the federation, don't lie.

No, I wasn't only referring to economic aid per capita. I was also thinking about protection of your unique culture/language on this continent. Without Ottawa's assistance (and the cooperation of the ROC) your language would be endangered.

I think it is more likely that another part of Canada will seperate before Quebec EVER does. Its time to start thinking globally rather than historically. Canada is more than just one province or language. We need to move beyond that and get our collective act together.

Exactly.

I think they will be because both sides benefit from the trade. Trade between Ontario and Quebec was at 53 billion $ last year alone. This is North America - free trade will be maintained no matter what individuals think. Of course Canadians can always boycott Quebec products or not spend their vacations in Quebec.

No one needs to be in forgiving mood, please don't act like a bully. Quebecers want to have full control of their affairs with no federal intervention. That is the reason for their desire to form an independant country.

Wrong on many counts. There is no way that Canada would permit most of Quebec's agricultural products to enter the country tariff free. Quebec would not be part of NAFTA without the deal being renegotiated - they would end up in a weaker position than they currently enjoy.

The ignorance of the issues, and the out of this world wishful thinking regarding Quebec separation coming from some on this forum is incredible.

The reason behind the desire to separate is the majority group in Quebec want to oppress the rest of the population. To them, their language/culture is the only acceptable one.

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I think whether if Quebec plays fair or not is completely up to the rest of Canada and how we react.

The separatist debate is damaging enough let alone hard feelings and a tradewar, civil strife etc. and why I prefer to ease them out rather than destroy them. I'm reasonably confident that because we are peace loving as you say, that when it comes down to it, Canada would never impose itself on Quebec and why so much talk of paritition and economic retaliation is just scare tactics on the part of some federalists. Not to mention the fact the Canadian government would be in disarray after losing a referendum and wouldn't likely be able to respond for some time let alone be able to react decisively enough to enforce parts of Quebec in Canada with the few troops we have. Western Canada would also worry about being politically hjacked by Ontario and would be a pressing issue for them. Canada would have to get its shit togther and anyone who thinks northern Quebec with the natives or Montreal is staying in Canada if Quebec separates, well it's up to those parts of Quebec to rescue themselves because the cavalry won't be coming.

For over a 100 years Quebec was submitted to the rest of Canada, now they're trying to buy it back.

If it wasn't for these arrogant and bullying individuals, Quebec would never leave.

LMAO!!! Actually, the opposite is clearly true. Ottawa has been kissing the asses of Quebeckers for 35 years, and what has that achieved? More demands for even more ass kissing.

I would ask them why did Confederation occur in the first place? It was to prevent annexation by the US of A. Now, if they think Confederation is a lost cause, then they should consider how Quebec would be positioned - all by its lonesome - against the US of A.

Quebeckers need a reality check, because within Canada, they are sheltered. Once outside Canada, the realities of the real world - and what it thinks of them - would slap them hard in the face.

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I think whether if Quebec plays fair or not is completely up to the rest of Canada and how we react.

I kind of see it differently. Honestly, what way can you seriously punish Quebec? Given the country's fatigue on the issue already, people just want the pain to ease away. However, given Quebec's disadvantage in the vast North American market, I actually see its domestic industries becoming more subsidized than ever before...protectionism will then be pursued, and foreign ownership (especially Canada) of its companies would be stifled. That of course, is unfair to Canadian industries, and I don't see NAFTA working out anytime soon between Ontario and Quebec.

The separatist debate is damaging enough let alone hard feelings and a tradewar, civil strife etc. and why I prefer to ease them out rather than destroy them. I'm reasonably confident that because we are peace loving as you say, that when it comes down to it, Canada would never impose itself on Quebec and why so much talk of paritition and economic retaliation is just scare tactics on the part of some federalists. Not to mention the fact the Canadian government would be in disarray after losing a referendum and wouldn't likely be able to respond for some time let alone be able to react decisively enough to enforce parts of Quebec in Canada with the few troops we have. Western Canada would also worry about being politically hjacked by Ontario and would be a pressing issue for them. Canada would have to get its shit togther and anyone thinks northern Quebec with the natives or Montreal is staying in Canada if Quebec separates, well it's up to those parts of Quebec to rescue themselves because the cavalry won't be coming.

Economic retaliation will never materialize. It hurts domestic employment, and that in turn would discourage anyone from sidelining or isolating Quebec. However, I do not wish the federalists to waste time to appease Quebec (e.g. common currency, federalists trying to integrate Canada and Quebec's economy, free trade) because, there's only so much profits you can squeeze out of Quebec. We should take on the role as Internationalists and expand into foreign markets, and we need aggressive diplomats to open doors in Asia, the EU, Middle East and beyond.

But we don't devote enough resources to woo markets that are helpful to our growth. Look at Australia, it's appealing to China and India, signing free trade agreements, agressively entering their markets. What have we done to enter China's market? Almost nothing, except for the occasional "TEAM Canada" visits to China. We're losing our competitive edge in these markets... & we've done nothing to stem the tide. Who cares about Quebec's 8 million customers, when China & India has hundreds of millions???

We as Canadians are too narrowminded, and have always almost focused exclusively on North America. We have to open our eyes and realize the full potential of globalization.

Food For Thought... who the hell cares about Quebec? ? ? Albertans realizes this fact, BCers realizes this fact, why haven't Ontarians accepted it yet???

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If Quebec wants to:

:badnews:

... why should we care?

what troops? :p

money sees no borders, doesn't speak any languages and speak them all at the same time.

buisness is buisness.

Well said! This is exactly what i mean. Quebec being the western developed province/country that it is, will survive on it's own, maybe with some start up problems but it will all the same. The fact that right now north america is made up of only 3 countries doesn't mean there's place for a 4th, 7 million customers is 7 million customers, wether they speak french, english or whaterver language.

rt what the hell are you talking about?? none of your posts make sense.

are you pissed because Brodeur let 2 goals pass :p

LMAO!!! Actually, the opposite is clearly true. Ottawa has been kissing the asses of Quebeckers for 35 years, and what has that achieved? More demands for even more ass kissing.


thats what I said. :blahblah:

An independent Quebec would be to tell the difference between an immigrant and criminal. . They would be able to do this better than any other country. This is because people of an independent Quebec would just do things better. In this perfect paradise everyone will wear a happy happy face.

:blahblah: New arrivants are checked with interpol, ever heard of them? :ohno:

No, I wasn't only referring to economic aid per capita. I was also thinking about protection of your unique culture/language on this continent. Without Ottawa's assistance (and the cooperation of the ROC) your language would be endangered.

huh?!?!? I beg you pardon?

protect our culture?

maybe because its the only one in Canada?

Wrong on many counts. There is no way that Canada would permit most of Quebec's agricultural products to enter the country tariff free. Quebec would not be part of NAFTA without the deal being renegotiated - they would end up in a weaker position than they currently enjoy.

The ignorance of the issues, and the out of this world wishful thinking regarding Quebec separation coming from some on this forum is incredible.

The reason behind the desire to separate is the majority group in Quebec want to oppress the rest of the population. To them, their language/culture is the only acceptable one.

I'm almost 100% sure that Canada would be loosing in regards to agriculur tarriffs. Quebec imports lots of weath, fruits, fisheries and beef from the ROC. Our main exports are dairy products.

Quebec does import beef, but I believe that it produces around 50% of Canada's diary products - that would not continue.

why are you repeating what I just posted?

tarriffs are stupid anyways.

rt what the hell are you talking about?? none of your posts make sense.

are you pissed because Brodeur let 2 goals pass :p

I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Originally, I was repsonding to a comment in which a forumer said that Canada's economy would tank if Quebec seperates. But given that most of the country doesn't even trade much with Quebec, I wouldn't worry a single bit about it.

Then another forumer suggested that we must maintain close economic cooperation, else Canada's economy would suffer. Again, Quebec's economy doesn't really matter much to Canada, and establishing close economic ties with Quebec (or even economic integration) should be a low priority for this country.

The point of my post is to alleviate fears that Canada's economy would collapse because of seperation and to highlight that our economy does not rely on Quebec, so we can ignore them after they separate.

There's nothing wrong with retaliating with tariffs if an indepedent Quebec ever invokes protectionist policies.

How do you know that Quebecs economy don't matter that much? do you have numbers backing your claim? or are you just talking out of your ass?

I'm trying to do my homework and I've looked into statcan for answers and on average 20% of Canada's GDP is exports from one province to an other.

International exports represent 38% of Canadas GDP.

in real dollars it means that Ontario exports 89B$, Alberta 35B$, BC 19.5B$ and Quebec 49B$ annualy to other provinces. The grand total is 232B$/year for every province. Saying that Quebec buys nothing, but sells everything to every other province is ignorant at best.

http://www.statcan.ca/english/research/11-621-MIE/11-621-MIE2004011.htm

There's nothing wrong with retaliating with tariffs if an indepedent Quebec ever invokes protectionist policies.

find an example of a Separatist politician saying he thinks an independant quebec would do so? you won't find that.

You're making everything up! And you're the only suggesting such things.

Ok I found it: http://www.stat.gouv.qc.ca/donstat/econm_finnc/conjn_econm/TSC/pdf/chap8.pdf

Page 3. total for services and goods.

2001:
Ontario sold to Quebec a total of 34 985,1M$
Alberta 3 605,0M$
CB 2402M$
New Brunswick 2534M$

Total of importations from ROC to Quebec: 47741M$

I wouldn't call that peanuts.

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How do you know that Quebecs economy don't matter that much? do you have numbers backing your claim? or are you just talking out of your ass?

I'm trying to do my homework and I've looked into statcan for answers and on average 20% of Canada's GDP is exports from one province to an other.

International exports represent 38% of Canadas GDP.

in real dollars it means that Ontario exports 89B$, Alberta 35B$, BC 19.5B$ and Quebec 49B$ annualy to other provinces. The grand total is 232B$/year for every province. Saying that Quebec buys nothing, but sells everything to every other province is ignorant at best.

http://www.statcan.ca/english/research/11-621-MIE/11-621-MIE2004011.htm


But Quebec's marketshare can easily be replaced with other markets. Why worry about Quebec, when there's a ton of opportunity in Asia? The only problem is, does Canada have the willpower to let itself off the hook and focus on trade outside of fortress North America?

Why not sign a free-trade agreement with China instead.. it could prove to be much more valuable than one with Quebec... But apparently the federalists are so obsessed with Quebec, that they simply don't care.

find an example of a Separatist politician saying he thinks an independant quebec would do so? you won't find that.

You're making everything up! And you're the only suggesting such things.

Wow. You sure don't know how to read between the lines. I'm simply saying that in the event that this will occur, Canada shouldn't worry about imposing tariffs against Quebec. Protectionism can easily appear, especially since new nations are always economically more vulernable when they're first settling in. Of course, until Quebec can prove it has a clean track record, I will always be against a free-trade agreement with Quebec.

easily

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do you have a magic wand for that? you for real?

ok i'm out

huh?!?!? I beg you pardon?

protect our culture?

maybe because its the only one in Canada?

Canada is made up of many cultures. It is so typical the
separatist believes the French culture is the only one.
They will say this is not racism because they are the poor victims.

The separatists believe Canada is not a real country
because Canadians are not all the same race.

find an example of a Separatist politician saying he thinks an independant quebec would do so? you won't find that.

You're making everything up! And you're the only suggesting such things.

Quebec has already pursued protectionism. Don't you remember all the trouble Ontario had with that? Public works projects in Quebec had to be made from Quebec building materials and Ontario workers had trouble getting work in Quebec due to discrimination while Quebeckers worked construction jobs in Ontario.

Maybe this will refresh your memory:

"
Ontario retaliates against Quebec construction laws
NAVAN, Ont. (CP) -- Premier Mike Harris put on construction boots Wednesday and tried to kick loose restrictions on Ontario construction workers working in Quebec.
"I said in December this situation is unfair and is unacceptable and that it will be corrected," said Harris.
Beginning today, Quebec construction companies are prohibited from bidding on Ontario government contracts.
For those Quebec companies already operating in Ontario, Harris promised to increase enforcement of health, safety, sales tax and workers' compensation laws. He said he'll introduce fines of up to $25,000 for companies found to have mistreated Ontario construction workers or businesses.
In December, Harris issued an April 1 deadline for Quebec Premier Lucien Bouchard to remove barriers to Ontario construction and contract workers."

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsArchiveMar99/candigest_mar31.html

Here's Quebec protectionism at work again:

"Canada’s canola growers and oilseed processors have asked Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia to ban the importation of yellow-coloured butter from Quebec to those provinces. The request follows Quebec’s latest failure to repeal its margarine colour regulation designed to protect Quebec dairy farmers and butter makers. The regulation requires margarine, made mainly from western-grown canola and Ontario-grown soybeans, to be white in Quebec."

http://www.smcphee.com/oilseed_ind_12_05_02.htm

Ok I found it: http://www.stat.gouv.qc.ca/donstat/econm_finnc/conjn_econm/TSC/pdf/chap8.pdf

Page 3. total for services and goods.

2001:
Ontario sold to Quebec a total of 34 985,1M$
Alberta 3 605,0M$
CB 2402M$
New Brunswick 2534M$

Total of importations from ROC to Quebec: 47741M$

I wouldn't call that peanuts.

:blahblah:

Let's see you get your natural gas from somewhere else. :)

Canada is made up of many cultures. It is so typical the
separatist believes the French culture is the only one.
They will say this is not racism because they are the poor victims.

The separatists believe Canada is not a real country
because Canadians are not all the same race.


Yes indeed, Malek unwittingly proved what we have been saying about separatist thinking. They are the only ones who have a culture? What a joke.

I think many Separatists are very naive, in thinking that it is just a matter of voting to separate, then they will be in some utopia. They think they can continue to use our currency, etc, etc. They can separate, and go straight to hell. I was a big proponent of a united country during the '95 referendum...but after 10 years of listening to them squawk, they can go. Enough is enough already. The f*cken Separatists have done so much damage to Quebec's (mostly the once-mighty) Montreal's economy...we will just see how prosperous they can become--not very!

Hey, I've listened to them squawk for 35 years. They always whine about something and they always will - whether they are part of Canada or not since it is in their nature.

They are the Western Hemisphere's principal prima donnas.

^Sad but true.

Something must be done to keep Montreal in Canada in the event of Quebec seperating.

rt_0891
The ruin of Canada's economy would in fact be sending Canadian troops into Quebec in an attempted land grab. All the eyes of the world would be watching and waiting for a civil war.

What troops? :) Canadian military is in shambles, they would not be even able to control an indian reserve ;)

I think many Separatists are very naive, in thinking that it is just a matter of voting to separate, then they will be in some utopia. They think they can continue to use our currency, etc, etc. They can separate, and go straight to hell. I was a big proponent of a united country during the '95 referendum...but after 10 years of listening to them squawk, they can go. Enough is enough already. The f*cken Separatists have done so much damage to Quebec's (mostly the once-mighty) Montreal's economy...we will just see how prosperous they can become--not very!

Why are you upset? It is Quebec's problem really if their economy is in trouble (which it is not especially compared to Monitoba)

^Sad but true.

Something must be done to keep Montreal in Canada in the event of Quebec seperating.

Yeah call on your Saint Leonard boys to talk some sense into them, eh? Damn separatist, minge ... You know tough guy, break their freaken kneecaps and then they will listen. Then have some pasta as home ;)

Hey, I've listened to them squawk for 35 years. They always whine about something and they always will - whether they are part of Canada or not since it is in their nature.

They are the Western Hemisphere's principal prima donnas.

Your wish might be granted very soon. All the public opinion polls have been indicating that the youth is definitely pro-independance. The only age group which is federal are the 65 years and older. So the time is working in the hands of the PQ. The next provinical election will take place in 2007 at the latest. Provincial Liberals will most likely lose unless there is some kind of miraculous recovery and PQ will take power. The leader of PQ, Bernard Landry, has already promised referendum in the first year or so. I am betting on fall of 2008.

Your wish might be granted very soon. All the public opinion polls have been indicating that the youth is definitely pro-independance. The only age group which is federal are the 65 years and older. So the time is working in the hands of the PQ. The next provinical election will take place in 2007 at the latest. Provincial Liberals will most likely lose unless there is some kind of miraculous recovery and PQ will take power. The leader of PQ, Bernard Landry, has already promised referendum in the first year or so. I am betting on fall of 2008.


I bet you can’t wait until 2008. After you win the referendum you can finally live with your own kind. Happy days.

It is Quebec's problem really if their economy is in trouble (which it is not especially compared to Monitoba)

Our economy is doing just fine, thanks!


Healthy growth expected for Manitoba's diversified economy, says RBC forecast
Tuesday March 22, 5:01 am ET


Most of Manitoba's major economic drivers improving
TORONTO, March 22 /CNW/ - As one of the most diversified provincial economies, Manitoba is headed for healthy economic growth of 3.2 per cent in 2005 and 3.1 per cent in 2006, according to the latest provincial economic outlook released today by RBC Financial Group.
"Manitoba is expected to grow slightly faster than the national average in 2005 and to post good steady growth through 2006," said Craig Wright, vice-president and chief economist, RBC. "The province's well-diversified economy is fairly well protected against the strong Canadian dollar and also counters the other key risks to growth."

Growth prospects vary widely across the country with sharp dissimilarities in the regional growth drivers. For 2005, there is a forecast growth gap of 2.1 per cent from the weakest expected growth rate in Newfoundland and Labrador to the highest in Alberta. In the 2006 forecast, there is a significant, albeit not unprecedented, four percentage point growth gap between the weakest province, Prince Edward Island, to the strongest province, Newfoundland and Labrador.

According to the RBC report, solid precipitation readings for the past three months bode well for the important hydro utilities sector and serve as an early positive indicator of crop conditions. The recovery in the utilities sector holds the potential for as much as a half a percentage point lift to Manitoba's economic growth this year and next.

Furthermore, Manitoba's economy is well insulated from any downward pressures of the strong Canadian dollar thanks to high hog prices, strong supply and demand conditions for electricity, positive early signs for spring crop planting conditions, and healthy demand for major bus manufacturing and food processing operations.

RBC notes Manitoba's labour market conditions are among the most robust in the country, which forms a solid backdrop for consumer spending and housing markets. The unemployment rate is the third lowest in the country, close behind Saskatchewan, and incomes are growing at the fastest pace in Canada.

"While Manitoba's economic outlook is rosy, there are a few risks to closely watch," added Wright. "These are the weather and its impact upon electricity sales and crop conditions over the summer months, weak grain prices, labour shortages and disappointing U.S. protectionism in the BSE dispute."

The RBC Economics Provincial Outlook assesses the provinces according to employment growth, unemployment rates, retail sales, housing starts, international exports, manufacturing output and the consumer price index.





RBC Economics forecasts moderate growth for
Quebec's economy
MONTREAL, May 20, 2004 - Weaker manufacturing activity and exports will moderate economic growth in Quebec to 2.5 per cent in 2004 and 2.9 per cent in 2005, according to the latest provincial economic outlook released today by RBC Financial Group.

"Quebec's economic growth is still hampered by a slowdown in manufacturing activity and exports," said John Anania, assistant chief economist, RBC. "Nonetheless, consumers are offsetting the downside and providing support for modest economic growth."

RBC notes challenges in the manufacturing sector will persist as demand for forestry and wood products soften alongside a slowing real estate market in the U.S. Quebec is the most dependent of any province on manufacturing activity, which comprises about 22 per cent of its economy. The profit margins of computer, electronic and aerospace products and parts, primary and fabricated metals, communications and transportation equipment are expected to remain under pressure.

Going forward, support for the Quebec economy will come from healthy consumer spending and business investments as companies struggle to improve productivity.

The RBC Economics Provincial Outlook assesses the provinces according to employment growth, unemployment rates, retail sales, housing starts, international exports, manufacturing output and the consumer price index.

While there are significant regional variations, last year's growth leaders - Saskatchewan and Newfoundland and Labrador - will likely experience the biggest economic slowdowns. Manitoba is expected to experience the biggest increase with GDP rising 4.1 per cent, substantially higher than its 1.4 per cent growth last year

I bet you can’t wait until 2008. After you win the referendum you can finally live with your own kind. Happy days.

My own kind? What are you babbling about Mr. Pink? I am not francophone and not a Quebecer. I am defending Quebec because of all the bashing going on over here. It is really funny seening Canadians trying to bully and intimidate others by drawing up the worst case scenerios.

WinnipegPatriot: it is all good but why would you assume I give a shit what happens west of Thunder Bay?

My own kind? What are you babbling about Mr. Pink? I am not francophone and not a Quebecer. I am defending Quebec because of all the bashing going on over here. It is really funny seening Canadians trying to bully and intimidate others by drawing up the worst case scenerios.

What exactly are you babbling about...? If there is any part of the country that has used intimidation tactics in the past, it is undoubtedly Quebec. As soon as a grievance is perceived, the answer is to threaten ROC with separation. Imagine if the other provinces responded with this bullshit every time they had a problem... it would be total and utter chaos.

What exactly are you babbling about...? If there is any part of the country that has used intimidation tactics in the past, it is undoubtedly Quebec. As soon as a grievance is perceived, the answer is to threaten ROC with separation. Imagine if the other provinces responded with this bullshit every time they had a problem... it would be total and utter chaos.

(I am refering to people's comments and not to the action of the Quebec govnt)

Maybe the provincial governments should apply pressure tactics, then the power will be shifted to the provinces. Ontario demanding more money from Ottawa is a good first step.

Awww--how noble...Quebec's little champion...SLAP! Wake up and smell the low fat cappuccino, Marek. People outside Quebec have tolerated this BS for 40 years. It is time they leave!

Why are you upset? It is Quebec's problem really if their economy is in trouble (which it is not especially compared to Monitoba)
What ? lmao !
You gambled with that one and apparently you lost. Next time you should check into the matter first.

Why are you upset? It is Quebec's problem really if their economy is in trouble (which it is not especially compared to Monitoba)

I was under the impression that Manitoba was one of the most stable economies in Canada. I could be mistaken though.


What exactly are you babbling about...? If there is any part of the country that has used intimidation tactics in the past, it is undoubtedly Quebec. As soon as a grievance is perceived, the answer is to threaten ROC with separation. Imagine if the other provinces responded with this bullshit every time they had a problem... it would be total and utter chaos.

Agreed.

The ROC is not nearly that selfish.

While your point regarding the country's history is correct, let's take a moment and examine today's reality. You mention Winnipeg where French is particularly strong when compared to the rest of western Canada. Okay, lets start with Winnipeg:

- only about 4% of the population have French as their mother tongue.

Now a few other cities:

Toronto - only around 1% of the population have French as their mother tongue.

Kitchener - only around 1% of the population have French as their mother tongue.

London - only around 1% of the population have French as their mother tongue.

Hamilton - only around 1.5% of the population have French as their mother tongue.

Regina - only around 1% of the population have French as their mother tongue.

Saskatoon - only around 1% of the population have French as their mother tongue.

Calgary - only around 1.5% of the population have French as their mother tongue.

Edmonton - only around 2% of the population have French as their mother tongue. Wow, Edmonton's another hotbed of French-language activity.

Vancouver - only around 1% of the population have French as their mother tongue. About 15 % of the pop. have Chinese as their mother tongue.

Victoria - only around 1% of the population have French as their mother tongue.

There are many times more people with Chinese as their mother tongue in Vancouver alone, than those who have French as their mother tongue in all of western Canada!

Today (I'm not talking about the fur-trading era), French is of no real importance in Canada outside of Quebec and New Brunswick - except for a few tiny communities.

http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo12e.htm


Hello. I'm not Canadian but Asian.
I've never been to Canada, and I'm not good at English.
But I want to write here my opinion.

First, I really like Canada. All Ontario, BC, Quebec, and other province!:)

In my point of view, It is best way to Canada as one country without separation.

As you know, English Language is much more important than another foreign languages.
By the survey, about 95~100% of us(High school students of our country) have been learning English as first foreign language.
Then, about 50%(5/10) of us have been learning Japanese as second foreign language. 25~30%(3/10) of us have been learning Chinese as seconde foreign language. German, French , Spanish , and etc are total 10~25%.
actually, English is real Important language for our life. Teachers said that, when you guys go out from school to society, it is really hard to live without English.
It is not prejudice against any country. It is importance.

I don't know about Canada in detail. But It is certain that Canada is neither UK nor France. Canada is a independent country with own identity. I think, Canadian need not to consider about those two countries in depth.

If 2 mother tongue system consequently cause big problem like seperation of a country, I think , Canada will take 1 mother tongue system with English language. Sorry for Quebeckers, but It is not prejudice against any language or relation of country.

I know, many language is used in Canada, and English language is used overwhelmingly.
Almost Every countries and All stabled country takes 1 mother tongue system, such as U.S., Japan, Germany, France, U.K., Italy, China, Russia, Australia, Vietnam, Philippine, Taiwan, even Korea that was saperated north and south.
In reality, English Language is used as Global language(地球言語:Language of the Earth). In spite of no historical relations of English language, Japan, China, and other Asian countries have used a lot of English language. Philippine's mother language is English language.
I think, English speaking Canada will be much more competitive and wealth one. "English speaking country" is one of the reasons that many immigrant prefer Canada to any other countries.

I've heard that Canada isn't what was composed of 1 or 2 people(ethnic group). There are so many languages in Canada.
I think, English language need to be first language in not only other province of Canada but also Quebec.
Somebody said that "there is no English sign in Quebec" but I know, There is English sign in almost every asian city.


Anyway, I think separation is really ridiculous. As you know, it is seperation of power of Canada. And without that, Canadian future won't (naver!) be bright.
France , UK , Germany and other European countries have been Stepping forwrd to The European Union. I don't know in detail, but I don't understand why Canadian want to separate. Both of People live in rest of Canada and Quebeckers should oppose separatizm for your private profit and your country Canada.


I'm high-school student in a country located in north east Asia.
Sorry for my ultra sux English.
:) :) :) :) :)

^Your english is better than my dads. Well.... it is actually way better. ;)

You are right, the language issue does divide Canada but it is not Canada minus Quebec that is the problem. Francophone Quebecers have always insisted that they are dominated by English speaking Canadians. My Aunt is from Quebec and she goes on and on about this.

Take what you will from it but the whole thing is really just a silly joke that the rest of the world laughs at.

I'm high-school student in a country located in north east Asia.
Sorry for my ultra sux English.
:) :) :) :) :)
Your English is just fine :)
What you say is pretty much what everyone here is saying as well. Only the seperatists can't see it. In their world, Quebec is somehow better off without Canada. We are trying to explain to them that this is a mistake to believe.

Too many Quebeckers think that the consequences of separating from Canada would be no more problematic for them than taking off a pair of shoes.

^Well said.

Well, the first dominoes might start to fall on Thursday, so we'll just have to wait it out and see.

skyscraper03, your english is just fine!

your comments aren't though! what are you expecting, that 7 million people would give up their mother language and start speaking english?? 1/3rd of the french speaking quebecois also speak english, which is probably more then in your asian country! And you forget that the UK, Belgium, France, Italy, Spain, Russia, Norway, Ireland etc etc are also bilingual (or even more) countries!
Who said there's no place for cultural diversity in a globalized world?? That's what most of the english forumers seem to think here anyways...

skyscraper03, your english is just fine!

your comments aren't though! what are you expecting, that 7 million people would give up their mother language and start speaking english?? 1/3rd of the french speaking quebecois also speak english, which is probably more then in your asian country! And you forget that the UK, Belgium, France, Italy, Spain, Russia, Norway, Ireland etc etc are also bilingual (or even more) countries!
Who said there's no place for cultural diversity in a globalized world?? That's what most of the english forumers seem to think here anyways...
What are you talking about ? Cultural diversity....um, I don't know if you've been paying much attention to what the seperatists are demanding but if you're so insistent on the idea of cultural diversity then I trust you'll never vote for the PQ or BQ. They aren't too interested in any cultural diversity since they propose to make Quebec into a nation of and for French speaking peoples only. But what? Are you going to say that we in the ROC have no tolerance for French? That we are somehow trying to drown out French with our evil English by not supporting it and trying to shunt it off to the side ? Or maybe you think we're trying to set up a Canada that includes no hints of French by:
-Forcing businesses to post signs in French only or with English in small letters only.
-Telling our children that they aren't allowed to learn French unless their parents speak it.
-Telling Quebec that unless they don't want us to kick them out they'd better learn English and make it prominent everywhere

And WE have no room for cultural diversity ?

Just imagine the wave of migrants the rest of Canada will receive once the "yes" vote wins.

skyscraper03, your english is just fine!

your comments aren't though! what are you expecting, that 7 million people would give up their mother language and start speaking english?? 1/3rd of the french speaking quebecois also speak english, which is probably more then in your asian country! And you forget that the UK, Belgium, France, Italy, Spain, Russia, Norway, Ireland etc etc are also bilingual (or even more) countries!
Who said there's no place for cultural diversity in a globalized world?? That's what most of the english forumers seem to think here anyways...
Nobody is asking anybody to give up anything. Only the PQ/BQ ask you to forfeit your language and learn French (proof: Language Police (I think SS is a better name for something so stupid, tedious, and intolerant, but that's beside the point)). Many people in the urban areas don't speak English. There are services that are offered in a myriad of languages as well, beyond French and English. The Toronto Transit Commission as one example has 9 languages available for information, because the various communities in Toronto kinda need it. Urban ROC is far more flexible than Quebec is to anyone anyday. It may not be 1/3rd, but 10% of Vancouver residents are ethnic Chinese. That's a sizable portion of the population, and vastly outweighs the French presence. There's no contest that Vancouver and Toronto (Toronto has 3 Chinatowns (Center, East, and North) have more reason by numbers to focus more on Chinese than French, as an example. Again, nobody is asking anybody to give up anything, it is a question of being understanding and accomodating to new-comers. English and French both are difficult languages.

WOW!! The ignorance is just so heart warming.....

Well habsfan, step up to the plate and enlighten the heathens!

That French should be promoted over English is a no brainer. French is the language of the province. Anyone moving there has the duty, in order to integrate, learn this province's language.

However, from what I have gathered, PQ has taken this one step to far. It is ok to promote the use of language. However, it appears as if PQ is also doing everything in its power to destroy the presence of English in Quebec.

In terms of language policy, what changes with an independent Quebec. Do you really believe that being surrounded by 300 million English speakers that English will not have an influence in Quebec? And as I said before, what incentive would there be for Anglo Canada once Quebec leaves to learn French. Let's face it, in the New World, French is fourth in the pecking order after English, Spanish, and Portuguese.

So if you culture will continue to be influenced by the Anglo world, and your economy will be threatened with instability should secession occur, what is there to gain with this display of separatism with outdated nationalism behind it?

That French should be promoted over English is a no brainer. French is the language of the province. Anyone moving there has the duty, in order to integrate, learn this province's language.
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French and English are the official languages in Canada - all provinces. Quebec hasn't seperated just yet.

I know that French and English are both official languages. But let us not delude ourselves to thinking that it actually is bilingual. If English speaking Canada does not learn French, then why should French Canada speak English? I am obviously being facetious, but to say that a province does not have a right to promote its ancestral language prior to take over by the British Empire is simply ludicrous.

While other forumers may disagree with me, I feel that Spain has come up with the ideal solution. Regional languages receive preferred status, whereas everyone learns Spanish to insure the flow of commerce, etc.

^English CDNs are required to take atleast 4-5 years of french in public schools. But you obviously can't force people.

^ I agree, you cannot force people to learn a language. I feel that a compromise needs to made though if you are going to move to Quebec. You have a duty and obligation to learn the native language if you choose to integrate into Quebec. If you want to move to Quebec, then, you should be just as willing to learn Quebec's language, French.

When a Qubecois moves to Toronto, he is obligated to speak English. So, if a Torontonian moves to Quebec, why is it fair that he is allowed to ignore the local language?

It is unrealistic to assume that every Canadian will learn French. When English speakers outnumber French speakers by 4:1, you can see why. However, bad enough they are outnumbered, then, Quebec criticzed for promoting the use of their language in their own corner of Canada. Quebec needs to be bilingual in order for Canada to continue to function. However, it should be allowed to insure that in this bilingual Canada, that French does not fall by the wayside.

WOW!! The ignorance is just so heart warming.....

You are so funny.

The separatists are a white race.
http://www.newimprovedhead.com/shell2.htm

When a Qubecois moves to Toronto, he is obligated to speak English. So, if a Torontonian moves to Quebec, why is it fair that he is allowed to ignore the local language?

Not really. For example, a certain percentage of Chinese who have settled in the Toronto area do not speak English, yet they live perfectly normal lives. However, it's preferred that you know English, since it would open up new opportunities in the city.

While other forumers may disagree with me, I feel that Spain has come up with the ideal solution. Regional languages receive preferred status, whereas everyone learns Spanish to insure the flow of commerce, etc.

Has a Quebecer living in Spain (last 7 years), I totally disagree with you:

The spanish solution is wrong: Why should regional languages receive preferred status??

How come if someone from Madrid moves to barcelona, this person won't be admited in any fonctioner work because he doesn't know local dialect? (and suposebly everyone knows spanish???

Separatism is also growing in some parts of Spain, therefore Spain's solution is not the ideal.

^ When a Qubecois moves to Toronto, he is obligated to speak English. So, if a Torontonian moves to Quebec, why is it fair that he is allowed to ignore the local language?

I agree that if anyone planning to live in Quebec, should try to learn french (it would be better for him), but nobody can obligate him.

Anyone can learn (or not learn) the language he wants.

That French should be promoted over English is a no brainer. French is the language of the province. Anyone moving there has the duty, in order to integrate, learn this province's language.



Do you similiarly believe that Francophones in Quebec have the duty to learn English in order to integrate with the majority in Canada?

I know that French and English are both official languages. But let us not delude ourselves to thinking that it actually is bilingual. If English speaking Canada does not learn French, then why should French Canada speak English?

You're too easy. They should learn English out of economic necessity. The reverse can't be said for the ROC.

However, bad enough they are outnumbered, then, Quebec criticzed for promoting the use of their language in their own corner of Canada.

On that point you are wrong - completely and absolutely.

Quebec has never been criticized for "promoting" the use of French in the province. It was only been criticized for trampling on the Constitutional rights of English speakers in the province. Ever heard of their use of the "Notwithstanding Clause"?

. If English speaking Canada does not learn French, then why should French Canada speak English? .

Canada is a free country and anyone can learn or speak the language they want.

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Quebec has never been criticized for "promoting" the use of French in the province. It was only been criticized for trampling on the Constitutional rights of English speakers in the province. Ever heard of their use of the "Notwithstanding Clause"?


I totaly agree with you.

Canada is a free country and anyone can learn or speak the language they want.

Except if you are a french speaker in Quebec that wants your child to go to English school. Then you need to send your kid to a private school at great expense.

From the beginning of this thread, whether the creator of this thread intended or not, has been one orgy of Quebec bashing. I too do not believe that Quebec should be allowed to separate, and if the rest of Canada makes them pay for it, so be it, and PQ has the duty to let their voters know that independence would not be some nice little cakewalk through the orangerie.

However, as coming from someone whose grandparents suffered from an English speaking nation's (US) initial attempt at marginalizing a non-English language in its own native territory (Puerto Rico), I am at least tyring to relate to what it must feel like to be a non-English speaker in North America. The modern Canada of today is not opressing French, but the Canada of the past seems like it did. Please correct me if I am wrong.

I am proud to be American and believe that Puerto Rico should remain a part of the US for a variety of reasons. While I know that Puerto Rico cannot be compared to Quebec for a variety of reasons, I fail to see how a Quebecois living in a Canada that respects its language would have the desire to separate. I also fail to see why there is such hostility being aimed at Quebec. Frankly, if you guys feel that you have acquiesced to Quebec too many times, that is your fault too.

However, as coming from someone whose grandparents suffered from an English speaking nation (US) initial attempt at marginalizing a non-English language in its own native territory (Puerto Rico), I am at least tyring to relate to what it must feel like to be a non-English speaker in North America. The modern Canada of today is not opressing French, but the Canada of the past seems like it did. Please correct me if I am wrong.



In the past, the French and British were at war; but that is in the past. I'm only interested in the present and the future.

Except if you are a french speaker in Quebec that wants your child to go to English school. Then you need to send your kid to a private school at great expense.

You are right. I had to go to french school until I got to Cegep (College).

I fail to see how a Quebecois living in a Canada that respects its language would have the desire to separate. .

Separation of Quebec won't be better for the french language:

You'll still have people talking and learning english in a separated Quebec.

Separation of Quebec won't be better for the french language:

You'll still have people talking and learning english in a separated Quebec.

I said this before. This is the same reason that I think Carod Rovira is smoking something in relation to his belief that everything is magically better when Catalunya is not a part of Spain. Even if it separates, many of the problems he perceives to exist will still be there. :yes:

You are so funny.

The separatists are a white race.
http://www.newimprovedhead.com/shell2.htm


With this post you have just proven to me how really ignorant and misinformed you are about the situation in Québec.

You keep on reading stupid material like the one you posted the link for! If it helps you sleep better at night, then by all means go ahead!

^English CDNs are required to take atleast 4-5 years of french in public schools. But you obviously can't force people.

OMG! The horror of having to learn a second language!!! It must have been aweful!!

English in Québec public schools is taught starting in grade 3...all the way to grade 11(which is when we graduate from high school) They are talking about lowering that to grade 1.

So to those of you seem to think that english is banned in Québec, before you start spewing all kinds of crap on the boards, you might wanna make sure what you are spewing is true!

Well habsfan, step up to the plate and enlighten the heathens!

There's no use in debating with you...you're mind is already made up. Didn't you say you were leaving as soon as you could! If that's teh case, all I can say is, Bon Voyage mon cher, amuses toi bien dans le Canada!

Some of these people(and I mean, SOME people) on these boards have their heads so far down their asses, that they just listen to anything said about Québec and they believe it(without even checking to see if its true or not)...and then they spew it out on these boeards thinking its the truth!

I've lived here all my life. I'm not 100% pure laine québecois, yet I choose to vote por the P.Q. and B.Q.

Last year, Maka Kotto was elected in my riding of St-Lambert. Guess which political party Kotto is a member of? The B.Q.!!! Go figure!!!! And according to SOME morons on this thread, all separatists are rascist pigs compared with the likes of the Nazis and the S.S.!

If that were the case, then i doubt a black man from Cameroun would have any chances of being elected!?!?

With this post you have just proven to me how really ignorant and misinformed you are about the situation in Québec.

You keep on reading stupid material like the one you posted the link for! If it helps you sleep better at night, then by all means go ahead!

When you write “ stupid material “, do you mean the truth?

I will post it again so everybody can decide what you mean.

http://www.newimprovedhead.com/shell2.htm

Last year, Maka Kotto was elected in my riding of St-Lambert. Guess which political party Kotto is a member of? The B.Q.!!! Go figure!!!! And according to SOME morons on this thread, all separatists are rascist pigs compared with the likes of the Nazis and the S.S.!

If that were the case, then i doubt a black man from Cameroun would have any chances of being elected!?!?

One or two token Negroes are really useful, aren't they?

One or two token Negroes are really useful, aren't they?

Now who is being racist ?

Even though there might me a certain amout of sarcasm involved, still not a very smart thing to say... no surprise here.

Keep posting buddy, you still have a tiny bit of credibility left.

Now who is being racist ?



The separatists - as always.

What you say is pretty much what everyone here is saying as well. Only the seperatists can't see it. In their world, Quebec is somehow better off without Canada. We are trying to explain to them that this is a mistake to believe.

First of all I am not a separatist and the whole debate is more complicated than just dollars and cents. I understand the separatist worldview since I am more familiar with Quebec than with any other Canadian province. The whole idea behind their ideology is that too much power lies in Ottawa and not enough in the provincial legislatures.

Except if you are a french speaker in Quebec that wants your child to go to English school. Then you need to send your kid to a private school at great expense.

The tough language laws in Quebec are fully justified. Mind you, I did not like it when I came to Quebec but at least I am fluent in both official languages. If I was in English school my French would be crap, since you can live in English in Montreal.

Without tough laws, French would decline and eventually disappear since most immigrants would automatically send their kids to English school boards. Hence, the francophones had no choice but to enforce tough laws on newcomers, it was a question of survival of their culture.

You're too easy. They should learn English out of economic necessity. The reverse can't be said for the ROC.

Dude, come on. Come to Montreal and try speaking English. You would be hard pressed to find people who would not undestand you ...
You make is sound like Quebecers don't speak English at all and refuse to learn it ...

The whole idea behind their ideology is that too much power lies in Ottawa and not enough in the provincial legislatures.

But that thinking is common in other provinces, yet you don't see them promoting separatism. I feel what you say is "their ideology" is just a smokescreen on their part. They really want just one culture/language to exist in Quebec. They want to do to others what they wouldn't agree to - that is to assimilate into the majority culture/language.

Dude, come on. Come to Montreal and try speaking English. You would be hard pressed to find people who would not undestand you ...
You make is sound like Quebecers don't speak English at all and refuse to learn it ...

Dude, you're skating around the issue. A very large percentage of Quebeckers don't speak English. Don't you think it is their duty (as you say) to learn the language so they can integrate?

Just imagine the wave of migrants the rest of Canada will receive once the "yes" vote wins.

In the latest poll, 6% of Quebecers would leave immediately if yes side won ...

The tough language laws in Quebec are fully justified.

They most definately are not since they violate the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Quebec had to use the "notwithstanding clause" to get around peoples' rights in the province.

Without tough laws, French would decline and eventually disappear since most immigrants would automatically send their kids to English school boards. Hence, the francophones had no choice but to enforce tough laws on newcomers, it was a question of survival of their culture.

The ends don't always justify the means.

But that thinking is common in other provinces, yet you don't see them promoting separatism. I feel what you say is "their ideology" is just a smokescreen on their part. They really want just one culture/language to exist in Quebec. They want to do to others what they wouldn't agree to - that is to assimilate into the majority culture/language.

That feeling is stronger in Quebec than in other provinces, except maybe when Trudeau started to direct some of Alberta's oil money to federal coffers. It was there since day one really. Well there is the historical aspect too. The French-English thing is always under the surface.

In the latest poll, 6% of Quebecers would leave immediately if yes side won ...

That's nearly 1/2 million people. The economy of Quebec would instantly be in tatters.

Dude, you're skating around the issue. A very large percentage of Quebeckers don't speak English. Don't you think it is their duty (as you say) to learn the language so they can integrate?

Not duty, economic necessity yes. Don't make it sound like Quebec is not economically integrated into NAFTA where only English matters.

That feeling is stronger in Quebec than in other provinces, except maybe when Trudeau started to direct some of Alberta's oil money to federal coffers. It was there since day one really. Well there is the historical aspect too. The French-English thing is always under the surface.

Do you have any evidence for your claim. I would say that Alberta is every bit (if not more) strident as Quebec when it come to the division of powers. After all, Quebec all but runs the Federal government - Alberta has little influence.

That's nearly 1/2 million people. The economy of Quebec would instantly be in tatters.

It would suffer yes, housing prices would collapse, but it would pick up. I don't share the doom's day theory here. Immigrants are coming at 40000 per year, that number can be easily increased. Who knows, maybe francophones from ROC would come to Quebec? There is a lot of ifs here ...

Not duty, economic necessity yes. Don't make it sound like Quebec is not economically integrated into NAFTA where only English matters.

Well if they don't have this 'duty', then why do you figure that others in Quebec have a 'duty' to learn French? You're not very consistant.

It would suffer yes, housing prices would collapse, but it would pick up. I don't share the doom's day theory here. Immigrants are coming at 40000 per year, that number can be easily increased. Who knows, maybe francophones from ROC would come to Quebec? There is a lot of ifs here ...

Yeah right! Lots of people are going to move to Quebec when the place is in economic turmoil and there are few jobs to be had except as welfare consellors.

Do you have any evidence for your claim. I would say that Alberta is every bit (if not more) strident as Quebec when it come to the division of powers. After all, Quebec all but runs the Federal government - Alberta has little influence.

I lived in Quebec for some time, you quickly get the idea that Ottawa is not well liked over here. Same can be said about Alberta, but they never mentioned separation. I can only explain that by the language and cultural affinity between Canadian provinces, something that Quebec soes not feel. Don't have any numbers to give you but I read about the bitterness that Trudeau's policy left in Alberta, almost wiping out Liberal support in that province.

Yeah right! Lots of people are going to move to Quebec when the place is in economic termoil and there are few jobs to be had except as welfare consellors.

Queber is mostly export based economy, so US plays a more important role here. Exports should not suffer much, unless companies start pulling out which I don't think they will in large numbers. Some will, the question is how much, that's where we differ ...

Immigrants will come since most of them are from Third World countries that speak French. Believe me even economic problems might not be enough to discurage them if the doors are opened up ...

Well if they don't have this 'duty', then why do you figure that others in Quebec have a 'duty' to learn French? You're not very consistant.

Forcing immigrants to enrol in French schools in the only way of ensuring that Quebec remains French. It is a question of assimilation, just like for aany immigrant who comes to Canada.

They most definately are not since they violate the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Quebec had to use the "notwithstanding clause" to get around peoples' rights in the province.

It only applies to immigrants; if one of the parents was educated in English then the Quebec educational board has no right to send the student to French school. So the rights of the English minority are protected. Also the language issue no longer applies to colleges and universities (you would be suprised how much of the student body in Concordia and McGill is of 100% francophone background)

The ends don't always justify the means.

Don't make it overdramatic.

It only applies to immigrants; if one of the parents was educated in English then the Quebec educational board has no right to send the student to French school. So the rights of the English minority are protected. Also the language issue no longer applies to colleges and universities (you would be suprised how much of the student body in Concordia and McGill is of 100% francophone background)

Do you know why Quebec had to use the "nothwithstanding clause"?



Don't make it overdramatic.

When you're talking about the breakup of a G7 country, I don't think it's possible to be overdramatic.

Do you know why Quebec had to use the "nothwithstanding clause"?.

Breach of Canadian Charter of Rights?

When you're talking about the breakup of a G7 country, I don't think it's possible to be overdramatic.

The overdramatic comment was concerning the French language "harrassment" of the English minority and not the potential breakup of the country.

PS. Yes vote on referendum would only mean the start of the negotiation process between Quebec and Ottawa. If you think that Quebec will become fully independant overnight, you're wrong.

Breach of Canadian Charter of Rights?

Of course, but how exactly did they do that? You need to do a little more research.

The overdramatic comment was concerning the French language "harrassment" of the English minority and not the potential breakup of the country.


Well considering that a few hundred thousand English-speakers left Quebec in the 1970's it's still not possible to be "overdramatic".

Are you saying English minority are victims? Please, some of them could not utter a word of French even if they lived in Quebec all their lives, their attitude towards the French Canadians was like those of Southerners towards Blacks. If they were more accomdating in 50s and 60s and started reforms that would allow Quebecers to have equal chances in life maybe then PQ and Bloc would never exist.

What about the First Nations People? And their land? The boundries of Quebec would probably have to change, as the last I heard, they have no interest in separating.

What about the First Nations People? And their land? The boundries of Quebec would probably have to change, as the last I heard, they have no interest in separating.
I have no idea man; as you can see it might get nasty if all the sides are not satisfied which is almost impossible. Another Oka crisis might occur especially now since an Indian reserve near Montreal is no-go zone for Quebec police as we speak and Quebec government is afraid of Mohawks. All hell can break loose if Indians decide that Ottawa will give them more money than new Quebec.

Your English is just fine

Thank you :)

In my point of view, the separation of Canada is just ridiculous!!

I think, fight(war) against separatists for One Canada is just fine, but separation will be the WORST future of Canada.