DEL

just might be ir eacon it would look abit like that.

eh?

Atlanta has a population (424,000) just slightly larger than that of the City of Manchester (398,000UKgov fig), but has more skyscrapers (buildings over 30 stories) than all English cities combined. Altlanta Hartsfield Airport is a true "HUB" airport and handled 81 million pax last year, and is still growing with new airline applications on a waiting list, in contrast to Manchester Airport handling 22 million and fighting off challenges from nearby LPL, EMA, BHX and now Doncaster. Atlanta is the largest city in Georgia with inward investment totaling almost a billion dollars a year for the past 19 years and this figure is expected to grow in future years. In excess of 1500 companies with a capitalisation of 1 billion, or more, call Atlanta home. Atlanta Municipal Planning Authority are presently considering applications for 37 projects, all over 120m in height.

Manchester by contrast has competition from Leeds, Liverpool and Birmingham for tall buildings. Granted, Manchester have allies in the inept council at Liverpool but that still leaves a very competative Leeds and Birmingham to vie with for inward investment. But, that's not to say that in 10 years Manchesters skyline couldn't match present day Atlantas, just highly unlikely.

I thought you were going to compare figures then. The only ones you did compare were the meaningless city boundary populations and airport stats which are not directly comparible. 'Atlanta' uses aviation as a means of primary domestic inter-city travel, whereas 'manchester' does not depend so much on aviation traffic.

I would be interested to see the inward ivestment figures for manchester, yet this is not so clear cut e.g. investment into warrington, Wimslow, Burnley, Huddersfield etc would not be included in the manchester figure (or liverpool/leeds), but similar outlying suburbs of Atlanta probably would be included in Atlanta because of the spatial/demographic arrangment differences of the two countries.

If just the city CBD were concerned, then Atlanta's inward investment would be several times higher.

(There is a point somewhere here!)

I dont think Manchester's skyline will ever be as clustered as that...

I would be interested to see the inward ivestment figures for manchester, yet this is not so clear cut e.g. investment into warrington, Wimslow, Burnley, Huddersfield etc would not be included in the manchester figure (or liverpool/leeds), but similar outlying suburbs of Atlanta probably would be included in Atlanta because of the spatial/demographic arrangment differences of the two countries.
If just the city CBD were concerned, then Atlanta's inward investment would be several times higher.

(There is a point somewhere here!)

The figures are for the political boundry governed by Mayor Shirley Franklin, the City of Atlanta. With reference to what you wrote above; Warrington, Wimslow, Burnley, Huddersfield (Yorkshire isn't it?) are not Manchester.

The point here is that I am very sceptical that Manchesters skyline will match that of Atlantas, in 10 years, because of all that I wrote. British cities, outside the capital, are provincial cities, whether or not they call themselves regional capitals or not. Inward investment is directed by the central government with very little input, outside of political lobbying, from the recipient cities. The mayor of Atlanta along with the govenor of the State of Georgia have the authority to offer tax and cash incentives to companies to relocate and build in Atlanta, the leaders of Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, Leeds et al do not.

I dont think Manchester's skyline will ever be as clustered as that...

But, "clustered" or not and believe it or not, Atlanta is a wonderful uncluttered people freindly city. Atlanta is a beatiful city with many open spaces and public squares and, is very people freindly downtown. Accura, you would be surprised at the open spaces you will find amid the canyons of concrete and steel in North American cities.

If Manchester ever ends up with a city centre like Atlanta's - dead, I will cry.
American cities like Atlanta are essentially business parks. There's nothing going on and they feel strilised and soulless. (sweeping generalisation of course but based on reality) If Manchester wanted so badly, to collect a load of phallusses together to be bigger and better than leeds!!? It would need to demolish its personality.

Manchester is an absolutely superb city at the moment. We should have no reason to aspire to cities like Atlanta. Atlanta would give all of its tall buildings for a city centre with the life of Manchester's. We don't "need" tall buildings to drag attention to our cities like many cities feel they do. Our cities are amazing and tall buildings should only act as decorative landmarks as part of a human scale place. Thankfully thats what all of our planning policy aims to achieve - god, I never thought I'd defend planning so much, but without it we'd have lots of Atlanta's, and we'd all spend our urban days out drinking, shopping and admiring the architecture of thousands of 'Metro Centres' where our urban lives would have been transplanted like those in so many US cities.

The figures are for the political boundry governed by Mayor Shirley Franklin, the City of Atlanta. With reference to what you wrote above; Warrington, Wimslow, Burnley, Huddersfield (Yorkshire isn't it?) are not Manchester.

And croydon is not london, Scarborough, Mississigua and brampton are not Toronto.

The point here is that I am very sceptical that Manchesters skyline will match that of Atlantas, in 10 years, because of all that I wrote. British cities, outside the capital, are provincial cities, whether or not they call themselves regional capitals or not. Inward investment is directed by the central government with very little input, outside of political lobbying, from the recipient cities. The mayor of Atlanta along with the govenor of the State of Georgia have the authority to offer tax and cash incentives to companies to relocate and build in Atlanta, the leaders of Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, Leeds et al do not.

I agree that manchester will not have a skyline like Atlanta's during my lifetime. I understand that atlanta is an economic powerhouse and so it should be expected to have more commercial floorspace than Manchester.

As for Manchester's investment being directed by handouts from Whitehall;
www.nwda.co.uk
www.investinmanchester.com

DEL

If Manchester ever ends up with a city centre like Atlanta's - dead, I will cry. There's nothing going on and they feel strilised and soulless. (sweeping generalisation of course but based on reality) If Manchester wanted so badly, to collect a load of phallusses together to be bigger and better than leeds!!? It would need to demolish its personality.

Well Atlanta have a five hour lag over Manchester because it's downtown stores don't close until 10:00pm. The restaurants stay open even later. Of course Atlanta doesn't have the pub culture that UK cities do (thank God), after five pm in Manchester pubs are the only visible signs of nightlife. I would compare Atlantas night-life to any, anywhere in the world and certainly the comparison with Manchester nightlife would leave Atlanta far out front. I can fill my gas tank 24 hours a day in the city and don't have to trek for miles to find an open convenience store. MARTA (Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority,) have a superb network of bus and subway rail systems that are clean, efficient and safe.

It is obvious, to me, you have not been to Atlanta and confusing it with Dallas, TX. or Salt Lake City, UT. In fact I am curious as to just where, in North America, you have been to. As to Mancunians wanting to be "bigger and better" than it's neighbours, I think you will find by reading some of the posting on this forum, that a lot of them do wish for this title. Statements like "Britains Second City" readilly come to mind.

For what it's worth and, this is just my opinion, I find Newcastle, Bristol, Liverpool and Glasgow to have distinct personalities. Manchester is just another Northern English provincial city that is bigger but little different than Leeds, Sheffield, Nottingham, Blackburn, Bolton, Oldham or Burnley. Just MHO.

i can smell the bitterness from a scouse in here :)

Oldham. Old-ham?
You're having a laugh.
And how would you like it to be distinct. Disneyland in the centre perhaps? North Americans would love the architectural heritage we have in the north west. Perhaps our 'Mundane' Victorian and Georgian power buildings should be replaced to make it less 'provincial' and more 'distinct'


I can understand why you find Bristol and Newcastle more distinctive than Manchester but not Liverpool. Liverpool grew up at the same time as Manchester and has very similar architecture.

[QUOTE=Jerv]Scarborough, Mississigua and brampton are not Toronto. [QUOTE]

Right and wrong! Mississauga and Brampton are in the Region of Peel and are not Toronto but Scarborough definitely IS part of Toronto! Toronto has a population of 4.5 million and now encompasses the old towns of North York, East York, Scarborough, Etobicoke and parts of Voughan and Markham Townships.

i can smell the bitterness from a scouse in here :)

I think you nose may be located to close to your arse. :)

Oldham. Old-ham?
You're having a laugh.
And how would you like it to be distinct. Disneyland in the centre perhaps? North Americans would love the architectural heritage we have in the north west. Perhaps our 'Mundane' Victorian and Georgian power buildings should be replaced to make it less 'provincial' and more 'distinct'

I can understand why you find Bristol and Newcastle more distinctive than Manchester but not Liverpool. Liverpool grew up at the same time as Manchester and has very similar architecture.

Well some of our (Toronto's) "Victorian" buildings would compare favourably with anything Manchester has to offer. Just a few of examples: The Ontario Legislative building, the U of T building, the Federal Building on Front Street, Union Station and the Royal York Hotel (once the tallest building in the British Empire). But this isn't a TO versus Manchester discussion. As to comparing Manchester's architecture with that of Liverpools. I personally find little comparison but this is not to denigrate Manchesters architecture. As to distinct personalities, again, it is a personal opinion, just like your opinion of Toronto. And, returning to the original discussion, I still think it is pipe dreaming for Manchester to equal the skyline of Atlanta.

I think you nose may be located to close to your arse. :)
and the stuff that comes out of your mouth,also comes out of your arse :)

and the stuff that comes out of your mouth,also comes out of your arse :)

Surely this isn't typical Mancunian, is it? Something I find very disconcerting about this forum, is the venom and intolerance from some of the contributers. It would seem to me that the likes of "highriser" does no favour to Manchester and it's inhabitants.

Just speak to Northy and Tates. You'll be showered with wibbly love.

Just speak to Northy and Tates. You'll be showered with wibbly love.

If they are anything like 'highrise' then you have answered my first question.

Sloyne. To compare Manchester as larger versions of Blackburn. Bolton.Oldham etc is incredibly ridiculous,those are just average provincial towns Manchester is a large European class city. When was you last in Manchester?I am not a Mancunian and have no connections with the city but after a recent visit I was extremely impressed not only with the beautiful old archecture but all the modern new buildings and new skyscrapers going up.It has one of the best street vibes of any British city bar London of course. Does those towns have China towns , designer shops by world famous designers, large world class concert venues,cutting edge archetecture, night life to rival any city, I could go on.Do those towns have those? NO so are can you compare? its just laughable . It seems to me that Manchester attracts a lot of jealousy on these forums but thats not surprising as succsess does attract jealousy .Are you British sloyne?

I can fill my gas tank 24 hours a day in the city and don't have to trek for miles to find an open convenience store.

Cool you mean you guys have 24 hour garages?

Far out!


UK2012

I just don't think manchester city centre will look as clustered as Atlanta, not unless we're at the beginning stages of a boom.

Surely this isn't typical Mancunian, is it? Something I find very disconcerting about this forum, is the venom and intolerance from some of the contributers. It would seem to me that the likes of "highriser" does no favour to Manchester and it's inhabitants.
Acually its not typically Mancunian,,,it's just me telling you that i think your talking rubbish,,, what you said obviously points to you being anti Manchester,,and seeing that your always in the Liverpool forum,one presumes your one of these Liverpudlians,who tells everyone how fantastic Liverpool is,but could'nt get your arse away and as far away as possible from the place.
And like you said Sloyne,it was your opinion that Manchester is just a larger version of Oldham and Blackburn,and that Manchester as no identity,
but millions of other British people think different,,,,

I can fill my gas tank 24 hours a day in the city .....

Sounds like no end of fun.

Have you been at the Labatts pal? Oldham, Bolton, Huddersfield, whilst sharing a lot of familiar characteristics with Manchester, can't be compared with the city.

how long as warrington been manchester the last few months? warrington is in cheshire and isnt any form of manchester whatsoever strange commemts there jerv.

Warrington was in Cheshire, it's its own county borough now.

so wheres the manchester connection?

A good few people live in Warrington and commute to places like in Greater Manchester, like Manchester City Centre, Salford and Leigh.

so wheres the manchester connection?

Warrington falls within Manchester's metro area by the US definition. That's the connection.

A good few people live in Warrington and commute to places like in Greater Manchester, like Manchester City Centre, Salford and Leigh.
a good few people live in warrington and commute to st helens liverpool newton le willows dosnt make it merseyside though.

They are both in the historic county and present Duchy of Lancashire/Lancaster. There's another connection.

Warrington falls within Manchester's metro area by the US definition. That's the connection.
its in manchesters metro in the us definition what are you talking about.

its in manchesters metro in the us definition what are you talking about.

The US definition of a metropolitan area (a city's metro) is based on commuter figures and a number of other things. Using this definition Warrington would be a part of Manchester's metro. Based on this US definition Manchester has the second largest metro in the UK with 3.2 million people.

you're in luck mr gunn

http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=149292&page=1&pp=20

that's a link to a fifty page discussion on such matters, enjoy and see you in a week

The US definition of a metropolitan area (a city's metro) is based on commuter figures and a number of other things. Using this definition Warrington would be a part of Manchester's metro. Based on this US definition Manchester has the second largest metro in the UK with 3.2 million people.
buts its not is it the same would go for birmingham liverpool glasgow etc this is the uk not america lets just go on facts and stop confusing things.

buts its not is it the same would go for birmingham liverpool glasgow etc this is the uk not america lets just go on facts and stop confusing things.

Nobody is confusing things. A metro area is a way of measuring the economic and cultural impact a city has on it's surroundings. There is no other way of measuring this. Most other countries in the world have some definition of a metro area. The UK is one of the few that have yet to adopt it. Yes, the same would go for Birmingham, Glasgow, Liverpool and the like but their metro areas (which were also calculated) are smaller. In fact Birmingham, the third largest metro area in the UK, only had a population of 2.75 million, nearly half a million less than Manchester's. The size of many of Manchester's facilities means it has more impact on the surrounding areas than cities like Birmingham do.

I can fill my gas tank 24 hours a day in the city and don't have to trek for miles to find an open convenience store.

How Quaint.

Here in the Mother country we have Gas pipelines or "Mains" connected to each and every house throughout the land. No need to fill "tanks" of Gas at all

I have no doubt these innovations will be allowed in the colonies in due course.

Nobody is confusing things. A metro area is a way of measuring the economic and cultural impact a city has on it's surroundings. There is no other way of measuring this. Most other countries in the world have some definition of a metro area. The UK is one of the few that have yet to adopt it. Yes, the same would go for Birmingham, Glasgow, Liverpool and the like but their metro areas (which were also calculated) were smaller. In fact Birmingham, the third largest metro area in the UK, only had a population of 2.75 million, nearly half a million less than Manchester's.
i understand totally mate i think i might be the way american citys are planned out there a lot newer than uk town and citys maybe thats something to do with it.

How Quaint.

Here in the Mother country we have Gas pipelines or "Mains" connected to each and every house throughout the land. No need to fill "tanks" of Gas at all

I have no doubt these innovations will be allowed in the colonies in due course.

I think by gas they mean petrol, despite the fact that petrol is a liquid... :crazy:

i understand totally mate i think i might be the way american citys are planned out there a lot newer than uk town and citys maybe thats something to do with it.

It's got nothing to do with city planning. It's simply that the Government over there bothers to work this out because it realises that this helps boost investment. After all, per US Government publications NYC has a population of 18 million and London a population of 8 million. They don't bother pointing out one is a metro and the other is only the city proper! In order to make fair comparisons with cities worldwide we need to incorporate some form of metro area into Government statistics.

Of course I was only joking.

It is interesting that being able to buy petrol 24 hours a day is considered to be a good thing.

It is these convienece stores that have killed local shops, encourage food miles, reduce access to services to those without cars and of course need a powerless underclass to staff them.

It's got nothing to do with city planning. It's simply that the Government over there bothers to work this out because it realises that this helps boost investment. After all, per US Government publications NYC has a population of 18 million and London a population of 8 million. They don't bother pointing out one is a metro and the other is only the city proper! In order to make fair comparisons with cities worldwide we need to incorporate some form of metro area into Government statistics.
you good argue that manchesters population is already beefed up as far as possible the city centre population is 432 thousond while liverpools is 482 liverpool city centre is actully more populated but dosnt incorparte greater manchester like you do.

you good argue that manchesters population is already beefed up as far as possible the city centre population is 432 thousond while liverpools is 482 liverpool city centre is actully more populated but dosnt incorparte greater manchester like you do.

You couldn't argue that at all. The City of Manchester's boundary is second only to the City of London in terms of the smallest percentage of the conurbation being within the boundary. Birmingham and Liverpool both take up approximately 50% of their respective conurbations (and Birmingham manages this despite the fact that Wolverhampton has it's own city centre!). Manchester, however, takes up just over 30% of the conurbation, despite the fact that Salford, Tameside and Trafford have no focal point whatsoever. The simple fact of the matter is that Manchester is twice the size of Liverpool. You can tell this by the facilities in the city as well as by looking at the conurbation and metro stats. Just because a meaningless city boundary says Manchester is smaller than Liverpool doesn't mean it's true in the real world.

I Dunno...fookin yank's...think they own all and everything...

My freind went to Alanta once, said it was the US version of suburbian Blackpool... YuK! Anyway You aint a New York or LA in my eye's i mean give me 'Detroit' anyday :D ...

O' an the statement about pubs being the only nightlife in manc after 5pm...? i f0und particualry interesting if not hilarious...

The point being, the last time I was in Manchester (Nov 2004) I couldn't find a gas station, after 10:00pm, to fill up our rental car. Not a very pleasant situation when in a strange city full of drunken yobs screaming invectives at you.

Manchester is a large European class city.

Like Barcelona, Cadiz, Frankfurt, Zurich, Milan, Turin, Munich, Lyon, Marseille etc.????????????

Manchester is like London. Its central area is divided between several boroughs. The Central Business District and Docklands comes under 3 boroughs and within 3 -5 miles of the city centre are 5 other boroughs.Then there are another 2 a little further out. No other city, other than London is split up in this way. That's why the two modern counties are called Greater London and Greater Manchester. Manchester and district is at least 1.4m, Greater Manchester county 2.6 million and the wider conurbation 3.2 million.

Narurally, I wish all Manchester's districts came under the one city admin (like happened to Leeds and Sheffield in 1974), but because of the massive city council this would create, i think they were too scared to do this in 1974 when both the Liverpool and Manchester conurbations were taken out of Lancshire and Cheshire and created as their own modern metropolitan counties. You just need to come to Manchester to know that it is many times larger than the ridiculous municipal boundaries of the central city constituency of only 430,000. Just as Atlanta, Pittsburg or Cleveland in the US are much larger than their central boroughs. It really is as daft and untrue as saying that Taunton is larger than London, because it has a larger population than the "City of London". Or that the population of London is only a few thousand. Nobody is that stupid about London. Why be so dense when it comes to Manchester?

Regional government is dead in the water, but that leaves the way open for new local government based on city-regions. Manchester will hopefully get something like Metro Toronto and then you really will see the city take off (as well as hopefully an expanded Birmingham, Liverpool and Glasgow). Surely, all the people who love modern buildings and vibrant cityscapes want a modern local government structure as well. What's the point in being parochial about nonsense boundaries that should have been sorted out decades ago, then trying to be all cosmopolitan about architecture?

How Quaint.

Here in the Mother country we have Gas pipelines or "Mains" connected to each and every house throughout the land. No need to fill "tanks" of Gas at all

I have no doubt these innovations will be allowed in the colonies in due course.

A difference in terminology. In North American, gas is an abreviation of GASOLINE I believe you call it petrol.

*sigh* not another troll. Not covering Liverpool in glory either, are you?

We should have a troll subforum where all the ill motivated posters on here can have their silly battles to their hearts content.

In order to make fair comparisons with cities worldwide we need to incorporate some form of metro area into Government statistics.

But surely, if you use you own governments measurement, Manchester is a smaller city, by population, than Birmingham. So why the constant claim to be the UK's second city? Also, I wasn't comparing Metro Atlanta or Metro Toronto to Manchester, I was comparing the cities.

It is these convienece stores that have killed local shops, encourage food miles, reduce access to services to those without cars and of course need a powerless underclass to staff them.

A convenience store is what you would term a "corner shop" and is located in the local neighbourhood. It can be either individually owned, like my local "Mains Milk" or a franchise operation, like "7-11" or "Macs Milk". If not open all night they are open until 11:00pm or later.

We have 24 hour supermarkets.

Not that it matters, this is a pathetic thread.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/IsaacNewell/JoseTheodore.jpg

Ye I went in tescos at 2-3 in the morning dam that was a crazy night.

Manchester will hopefully get something like Metro Toronto

Metro Toronto is no more. All the cities that once made up the metropolitan area have now been incorporated, some kicking and screaming, into the city proper. Your comments about incoporating the neighbouring towns into mega cities, like Manchester, Birmingham etc, seem to me, to be the best way for cities to manage local transit, police, fire and all the other myriad of services now duplicated by the fractious setup.

But surely, if you use you own governments measurement, Manchester is a smaller city, by population, than Birmingham. So why the constant claim to be the UK's second city? Also, I wasn't comparing Metro Atlanta or Metro Toronto to Manchester, I was comparing the cities.

You don't have to have the biggest population to be the second city, whatever the varying stats show Manchester has the larger population or not. As for Manchester being second city, who cares, this has been argued to death in lots of other threads and until a 50ft sign endorsed by the government is displayed on entering Manchester or Biringham or wherever there will never be a definite answer. One thing for sure though is that Manchester is a large, vibrant and ever expanding British city that is well known worldwide and will only continue to get bigger and better.

As for the title of this thread, could this be Manchester in 10 years!, well I hope not. I want Manchester to be like Manchester not anywhere else, to be an individual trend setting city not one that follows suit like most other cities, especially in America.

We have 24 hour supermarkets.

Not that it matters, this is a pathetic thread.


In a nutshell CAW.

Metro Toronto is no more. All the cities that once made up the metropolitan area have now been incorporated, some kicking and screaming, into the city proper. Your comments about incoporating the neighbouring towns into mega cities, like Manchester, Birmingham etc, seem to me, to be the best way for cities to manage local transit, police, fire and all the other myriad of services now duplicated by the fractious setup.

You cant even procure fuel for your hire car in the middle of the second or third largest city in the country. I am therfore going to take whatever "seems" to you to be the best way of doing something with a huge pinch of salt.

and for f***s sake there is no such thing as downtown.

Oh Sloyne ,thanks for all the information on urban living,,,:)the way your talking about Manchester made me think i was in Blackburn then,,,,,
If your telling me you could'nt find a all night garage ,to fill your car with gas,i just find that hard to beleive,and makes me think you did'nt leave the carpark.
And as for convenience store's the time of corner shops disappeared years ago mate,,wahey my local shop stays open from 8 till late,the late being 11, so we both can get a pint of milk at 5 to 11 are'nt we lucky,,:)
And you didnt reply to my post earlier this afternoon,you are a Liverpudlian,ive read many of your posts in the Liverpool forum,so can i ask you why your trying to disguise this by pretending to be a Canadian,,are you ashamed of your native city or something?
And just to put something right here this thread was not comparing Manchester to Atlanta,it was saying that the picture could look like Manchester in 10 years, me personally i dont like comparing one city to another,because they are all different in there own ways,,,,
Anyway enough of this pointless ramble with a child,goodbye x

I can't believe threads like this run to 3 pages.

so can i ask you why your trying to disguise this by pretending to be a Canadian,,

I live in Brampton, Ontario, Canada and have done so since 1967. I have a home in Clearwater, Florida where I reside between November and mid April every year. Not bad eh!

Darned posting problems and now it's 4!

fwiw, I have really struggled to get petrol for hire cars in both Milan and Munich (near the airports), but that does not mean in any way are these cities not great cities.


Sloyne, where is the nearest petrol station to some of Manchester's competitors airports?

For example, have you any idea where the nearest petrol station is to Liverpool airport (anyone - with your attitude - would be disgraced if they knew the answer).

Not bad eh!

Not bad at all.

Not bad at all.

No.. Not bad at all

1967

I think you might just be old enough to be Accura's grandfather :runaway:

fwiw, I have really struggled to get petrol for hire cars in both Milan and Munich (near the airports), but that does not mean in any way are these cities not great cities.


Sloyne, where is the nearest petrol station to some of Manchester's competitors airports?

For example, have you any idea where the nearest petrol station is to Liverpool airport (anyone - with your attitude - would be disgraced if they knew the answer).

To be fair I had the same problem the other week when I was jetting in from my second home in Boca Raton (where I reside Nov - Jan) to Doncaster International Airport Terminal 6.

To be fair I had the same problem the other week when I was jetting in from my second home in Boca Raton (where I reside Nov - Jan) to Doncaster International Airport Terminal 6.

Ever been out of Lancashire Evil? Do you know what county Boca Raton is located in and which is the closest international airport? Up to October of last year I owned a condo in the next county to that which Boca Raton is located. Sold it and bought in Clearwater.

four pages of this rubbish? Grow up Sloyne.

Ever been out of Lancashire Evil? Do you know what county Boca Raton is located in and which is the closest international airport? Up to October of last year I owned a condo in the next county to that which Boca Raton is located. Sold it and bought in Clearwater.


Can't you tell he is ripping the piss, and quite successfully too.

Well done Evilwillywonka.

Just seen the Oldham Masterplan

http://www.dubbadoo.com/cities/saopaulo1.jpg

LMAO! But they've omitted to leave space for the redeveloped Boundary park Superdome

Hang on, I can't see a fucking petrol station either. Bastards

That's Oldham Council for you.... useless

That's it, I'm selling my condo in Mumps and moving to Clearwater. Where the petrol floweth

Hang on, I can't see a fucking petrol station either. Bastards

No dog shit either, so it can't be England.

No dog shit either, so it can't be England.

Like it, like it

Fitton Hill's getting too expensive these days time to exercise that option in Immokalee, nah fuck that when I can live in my house on the Plateau de Mont Royal

Its Bruntwood-opolis!!

Fitton Hill's getting too expensive these days time to exercise that option in Immokalee, nah fuck that when I can live in my house on the Plateau de Mont Royal

Nah, the nearest airport to Immokalee is Fort Myers and developement is forbidden so close to the Corkscrew Swamp, it's a wildlife sanctuary. However, if you can afford to buy atop Mount Royal, you have my attention.

cant posibly be oldham.. no where near enough smog in the air.. also don't believe any pictures from manchester that don't have a torrent of rain going on.

factories and terraced houses.. thats the way these places will always look, take stockport for example. Adds character to the area.. gives us something to moan about and an excuse to go out and get pissed (drunk not violent(well maybe..))

cant posibly be oldham.. no where near enough smog in the air.. also don't believe any pictures from manchester that don't have a torrent of rain going on.

factories and terraced houses.. thats the way these places will always look, take stockport for example. Adds character to the area.. gives us something to moan about and an excuse to go out and get pissed (drunk not violent(well maybe..))

Another example why this thread is 5 pages too long.

I think you might just be old enough to be Accura's grandfather :runaway:
Unfortunately, its true...

I think you might just be old enough to be Accura's grandfather :runaway:

And possibly am. I screwed enough wooly women while sailing between Belfast, Larne, Liverpool and Preston on the Arduity.

oh go away,u gutter rat

u gutter rat

Thank you Wooley.

However, if you can afford to buy atop Mount Royal, you have my attention.

I wish, more like a metal staircase job in Mile end

And possibly am. I screwed enough wooly women while sailing between Belfast, Larne, Liverpool and Preston on the Arduity.

did any of them look like this?

http://www.nature.com/news/2004/040823/images/sheep1.jpg


Erm theyre not women!


So anyway basically no manchester will not look like atlanta

So anyway basically no manchester will not look like atlanta

Nor should it want to. Every city is unique and should build to complement it's uniqueness. The only valid comparison between Atlanta and Manchester is the fact they are both inland cities.

DEL

Yes :yes:







... and so does Preston :banana:

a lot of people say that manchesters skyline in 2 years wont have a cluster, but in 10 years, loads of big buisnesess will have built around the beetham tower and eastgate tower, forming manchesters 3 mile solid cluster skyline!!!

and with media city uk coming, that beautiful skyline will be on tv a lot!!!!

http://www.ipmsusa2005.org/images/Hospitality/Atlanta%20Skyline-LD.jpg

The traffic is going the wrong way, but yes... I'm feeling it.

I remember it was I who said Manchester could be Atlanta.


Long time this thread has been aboot.

I remember it was I who said Manchester could be Atlanta.


Long time this thread has been aboot.

If we turn into an Atlanta, shoot me. Were not that much of a shitehole. :)

Manchester is on the up though, constantly. What since the 90's? Has it ever stopped? I dare anyone who hasn't ventured here already to say whats become of the city center isnt impressive.

Everyone knows its the place to be :)

I remember it was I who said Manchester could be Atlanta.


Long time this thread has been aboot.

I also said that I preffered Atlanta's unclustered skyline.

I like Atlanta's skyline but it's a tough town apparently. It's music scene is more famous than Manchester's though.

It was in a city V city thread I think.

Those were the days.

two things in this thread have left me almost speechless.

firstly the idea of an american driving round the city trying to find a petrol station with drunken youths shouting obsentities, and secondly the complete inability of some people to pick up on sarcasm.