It will be in today's Miami Herald!

A proposal will soon be submitted for a 1,200 foot condo tower on Biscayne Blvd. and Northeast 4th Street. The L-shaped building will have 1,000 condos and 500 apartment-hotel rooms.

HERE IT IS.....UNBELIEVABLE!!!!

Posted on Thu, May. 05, 2005
DOWNTOWN MIAMI
Plans for world's tallest condo tower unveiled

Miami's new landmark? A developer is proposing to build the world's tallest condo tower -- 1,200 feet and 110 stories high -- on Biscayne Boulevard.
BY MATTHEW HAGGMAN
mhaggman@herald.com

The South Florida building boom may be reaching new heights, with a developer proposing what could be the world's tallest condominium in downtown Miami.

Leon Cohen is preparing to submit plans with the city of Miami to build a condo tower and apartment-hotel tower that would each rise 1,200 feet along Biscayne Boulevard.

If built, both 110-story skyscrapers would be the tallest in Florida, and the condo tower would rank as the tallest residential high-rise in the world, Cohen said.

The 21st Century Tower in Dubai, 883 feet tall, is currently the world's tallest residential building, according to Germany-based Emporis, which tracks high-rise construction. Florida's tallest high-rise is the 789-foot Four Seasons Hotel & Tower on Brickell Avenue in Miami.

But Cohen, who grew up in Paris and moved to Miami Beach in 2000, faces severe hurdles in getting approvals to build so high. The Federal Aviation Administration has limited the height of new buildings along Biscayne Boulevard so as not to interfere with planes flying into Miami International Airport.

Called Empire World Towers, Cohen's development would rise on an L-shaped, roughly two-acre parcel at 330 Biscayne Blvd. The two towers, projected to include 1,000 condo units and 500 apartment-hotel units, would wrap around the Holiday Inn hotel at the corner of Biscayne Boulevard and Northeast Fourth Street.

MIAMI = NEW YORK

''Miami is what New York was in 1945,'' Cohen said Wednesday, who shrugged off any concerns about too many new condos being built in downtown Miami. ``Biscayne Boulevard will become Fifth Avenue.''

On Monday, the developer formally purchased the property from Allen Greenwald for $31.7 million, he said. Demonstrating how Miami's prices have raced upward amid the region's ongoing condo boom, Greenwald purchased the site in April 2004 for $16.5 million.

Edie Laquer of Laquer Corporate Realty in Miami, who called the project ''innovative,'' brokered the sale.

AIR NAVIGATION

FAA public affairs manager Kathleen Bergen, who works out of the agency's Southeast region office in Atlanta, said the heights of all buildings are considered on a case-by-case basis. FAA staffers perform a computer analysis studying the longitude and latitude of a structure to determine if a building is a hazard to air navigation. It is not uncommon, she said, to negotiate with developers over height, markings and lighting.

''Miami is a very busy place for us for airspace studies,'' Bergen said. ``That is much taller than what has been proposed. But we would take a look at any proposal that came in.''

Developer Pedro Martin, who plans to build high-rise condo towers nearby at 600 and 900 Biscayne Blvd., said his building heights were limited to 649 feet.

''Would they go to 1,200? I have no idea,'' Martin said, who added that projects like Cohen's, which are located closer to downtown Miami, may be allowed to rise higher.

Cohen insists he can win approvals for the two towering structures -- and expressed total confidence he can build at least 900 feet high.

''I would not be talking about this if I didn't think we could do it,'' he said.

Cohen, whose company is Maclee Development, said this would be his biggest project. He completed a partially built, 52-story hotel in New York, the Flatotel Building. He's now constructing a six-story condo hotel, the Empire Ocean Residence, at the site of the former Charles Hotel at 1475 Collins Ave. in South Beach.

The developer hired Alexandria, Va.-based Aviation Management Associates to conduct a study on the project. In the report, Aviation Management concluded Empire World Towers would create some problems for aviation but that those issues could be solved.

BUILDING CHALLENGES

Meanwhile, the building creates significant engineering challenges. Cohen, for instance, said the building will be the tallest concrete structure in the world. ``This is due to the hurricane weather in South Florida.''

Still, some are skeptical.

''Why so high?'' said real estate analyst Michael Cannon, who also questioned if condo buyers would want to live so high. ``I hope they do a good wind test because you have some major atmospheric pressure on a building that high.''

wheres the rendering, its in the paper, ill scan it when i get home 2day

AWESOME!!!!!!!!! Hopefully the FAA will let it rise.

MIAballinboi I didn't see a rendering in the online edition of the Herald.

*anxiously waits for a rendering*

Wow. Two 1,200 footers. That is awesome.

http://img154.echo.cx/img154/8166/empireworldtowers4hl.jpg http://img32.echo.cx/img32/5876/empiremap6te.jpg

You know, I dont think I'd mind if they were a dark-green or a blue. i just don't want them to be black.

I agree with Dale. Black may work in New York and Seattle, but Miami is the anti-black when it comes to architecture.

wow, how about that? 1,200 ft.

i hate to say it though, i seriously doubt these will get built at 1,200ft. sounds like the developer has already conceded he'd live with 900ft. not that i'd complain about that, mind you.

i really hope the faa let's this pass. i'd love to see miami with a 1,000 footer. or in this case, 2 1,000 footers.

awesome news!

& i agree with dale & brickell, black just doesn't work in miami. i doubt black would be the color they use, though. probably just a poor rendering or poor copy of the rendering.

This is incredibly great news for Miami. I really hope the FAA will allow this structure to rise.

the rendering i saw looked much better than that and the buildings where connected similiar to the lynx project....

@@@@@ man mouths would drop when people drive from sobe to cbd and see the miami wall and in the middle of it all BAM these two GOD-FATHER of them all buildings @@@@@@@

I agree with Dale. Black may work in New York and Seattle, but Miami is the anti-black when it comes to architecture.
Black isn't "tropical" enough.

the rendering i saw looked much better than that and the buildings where connected similiar to the lynx project....

What color were they ?

whoa but i must warn people every big boom always gets atleast one big project like this and it never gets built.but lets hope.and isn't cohen one of the partners with leviev and boymelgreen.

^ Well, maybe we can now take Met 3 for granted and then proceed to stress out about this project.

I WISH THEY just build the circular tower,because it reminds me of westin peachtree

So i think we should all just bow down to rx because of his wisdom. Now wut do u think the odds of it getting built are rx?

yea big ups to rx,i must say were a good team here on ssc we found out about 3weeks beofre the herald

well first of all on the concrete issue the petrona towers have a concrete exterior wall and core the inside is steel....

the world trade center towers where steel exterior walls and steel core insulated by concrete around the columns in the core...

so an all concrete structure is not a bad thing actually makes the buidling much more sturdy...

on the chances of it getting built if they iluminate the top of the tower very good then it has a good chance of getting approved i see it getting built at around 1100 if they make it 1200 then that will be great......

look for this project to make it infront of the city board by the next 6 months if not before....

I'LL KEEP MY FINGERS CROSSED.: )

look for this project to make it infront of the city board by the next 6 months if not before....
hopefully it will,but the city has been backed up because of the amount of projects.i would have alot more confidence in this project if both towers were 110stories and 1200ft,and rx how much different is this rendering from the one you saw.

for you guys that dislike the black glass i think its smart,because i take sociology and studies have shown that people prefer black because it stands out and makes them feel dominant and gives them a sense of strength,also no other projects have black glass meaning people will right away associate and remember these buildings

Is it just me or am I not getting something with the talk of "world's tallest residential tower" in the article? I mean, Trump Tower Chicago is currently under construction and is a 1360 foot residential tower.

wheres the rendering, its in the paper, ill scan it when i get home 2day
YES MIAballinboi :) , Please Scan it ,and please put it up in here , both in the Miami forum and this Project forum, Thanks Bro !!! :) its in the Business section of Todays Miami Herald , Thursday, the 5th, at the Bottom Right of the Head page C. :cheers:

Great news! But why can't the developer just tear down the Holiday Inn and the crappy low-rise office building on the site.

Aessotariq :) , ( Fred ), nice pic , great, I hope this gets by the F.A.A. :bash: , Go Cranes !!!! :cheers:

some of you may correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know planes don't fly directly over the CBD where the Wachovia, BofA, etc. are located and this project is on NE 3rd. street and Biscayne Boulevard right in the heart of downtown. I just can't see any justification for the FAA to require a reduction in height.

crazy.
Miami continues to outdo itself.

I doubt it will be black at all. In the rendering, the side that faces us is apparently the shadow side, so it looks black. But on whatever little bit of light there is on the scrapers, it seems to be whitish or grey maybe. But whatever the case, I bet it won't be black. The only significantly tall skyscraper that I can think of that's black at the moment is the Hancock tower in Chicago -- THAT'S IT!

^what about sears tower,trump tower,

found an article about the project from the herald that renner01 posted on here last september. has some interesting info in it, most notably that kobi karp is the architect.

http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=133129


Biscayne parcel doubles sale price in four months

Downtown Miami real estate is hotter than ever. The price of a Biscayne Boulevard parcel jumped from $16.5 million to $34 million within months.

BY MATTHEW HAGGMAN

mhaggman@herald.com


Just one more sign of a sizzling downtown real estate market: Four months after paying $16.5 million for a prime two-acre parcel of land along Biscayne Boulevard, Coral Gables investor Allen R. Greenwald is selling the property -- for roughly $34 million.

French businessman Maurice Cohen, who has developed property in Miami Beach, is buying the land and planning two multiuse skyscrapers that his architect promises will be signature towers on the Miami skyline.

''We are looking to create a unique statement which is in connection with downtown Miami,'' said Miami Beach architect Kobi Karp, who is drawing up renderings of the project on 330 Biscayne Blvd.

The two towers are to have ground-floor retail space, condominiums and a parking garage. A condo-hotel is also under consideration, Karp said.

NO WALLFLOWER NOW

Developers had largely snubbed Biscayne Boulevard property until last year. Now nearly every boulevard parcel between the Miami River and Interstate 395 is slated for development.

Cohen's project would stand out because every other proposal along the downtown thoroughfare is almost exclusively for condominiums.

Leon Cohen, a Miami Beach businessman and son of Maurice Cohen, declined to comment, as did Greenwald and Edie Laquer of the Laquer Corporate Realty Group, the Miami-based broker for both buyer and seller.

The property fronts the boulevard between Northeast Third and Fourth streets. Situated across from Bayfront Park, it offers unobstructed views of Biscayne Bay. The two buildings are to wrap around a 10-story Holiday Inn that sits on the corner of Biscayne and Northeast Fourth.

The Everglades on the Bay condo project, located on the block immediately south, is to have two 49-story condo towers. Karp said the exact height of the 330 Biscayne Boulevard has not been decided.

Greenwald and Maurice Cohen, who agreed on the sale six weeks ago, plan to close in the second quarter of 2005, according to a source familiar with the deal who spoke on condition of anonymity.

A CHANGE IN PLANS

Greenwald bought the property from the Coral Gables developer Allen Morris in April for $16.5 million. Initially, Greenwald hired Robert Behar, of the architectural firm of Behar Font & Partners in Coral Gables, who filed renderings with Miami's planning and zoning department.

Those plans, which called for two 56-story condo towers rising to 658 feet high, have been shelved because of the pending sale.

Maurice Cohen renovated the Historic Jewish Cultural Center, at the corner of Fifth Avenue and Lenox Avenue in Miami Beach and built a five-story office building next to it. The two buildings house his Maclee Express, a high-end copying- and business-supply outfit.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiheral...ess/9623213.htm

i can't believe we miss this article,these don't look like kobi karp renderings we makes me think this is still very preliminary

WTG Miami!

:dance::dance::dance:

Big guns behind this, like Edie Laquer.

Nice idea, but this lot is even closer to being straight down the runway than the Brickell area that gets kept down. I am not that fond of the look, either, but that can be changed. I just doubt the FAA will go for 1200'

^ One of the Miami forumers (can't remember who) posted a diagram, sometime back, showing heights restricted in certain areas of the CBD, with no restrictions in certain areas. And I seem to recall that this lies in, or is close to one of the unrestricted areas.

yea i think it was magic city,back in one of the old cbd threads

Wow!! Great News!! I can't believe it.. I think it has a chance to make it. The FAA sounded optimistic in the article. I'd be suprised if it was ultimilately less then 900'.

Man, I knew I shoulda checked the forum sooner!!

ok this was posted by magic city,but i can't find the picture

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FAA Height Restrictions

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Hello everyone---I am new to this forum and am looking forward to gaining insight and knowledge about skyscrapers, skylines, and new developments :) especially in Miami the "Magic City".

Does anyone know where I can see a map of the height restrictions imposed by the FAA on Miami's CBD?

I recall seeing an article with map in The Miami Herald around 20 years ago showing a small sliver around the old Southeast now Wachovia tower where buildings could be built just below 1,000 feet. In fact there where plans to build a tall tower where Met One is to be built. Of course, the market forces prevented that tower from being built.

I would love to see a 1,000 foot + tower built in Miami's CBD, but I don't know if there will be any good parcels left for this. Perhaps the land west of the old Centrust now BOA can accomodate a 1,000 + tower. We just need the market forces to move towards that direction. It would certainly not be strickly office space, but some mixed-use concept.

I am looking forward to participating in this forum and will share many interesting historic photos of Miami's "Magic" growth through the decades since Henry Flagler's Royal Palm Hotel, which foundation is now being excavated and documented prior to Met's Towers construction.

I am a life long Miamian and have seen the skyline grow from my trips with my parents to downtown where I was always intrigued by the beautiful Dade County Courthouse which dominated the skyline for many years. In fact it was the tallest building outside Baltimore and east of the Mississippi for many year.

One last thing before I go, Today I had the priveledge of visiting Miami's first "Skyscraper". It is the Ralston Building at a whopping 8 stories. I believe that it was the first building in Miami over 5 stories and dominated the skyline until the McAllister was built on the site of what is to become 50 Biscayne. I will try to post an early picture of Miami's skyline that I think you will find very interesting. I need to figure out how to post pix first.

I am so glad I found this site to learn and share my knowledge with others.

AM magic-city

anyone see some irony with this tower,its called empire world closely related to empire state.

has 100+ floors and is 1000+ft just like empire state.
empire state came at the end of the biggest boom in history in the 1920's at which point everyone taught the developer was crazy for building it so high.after this building the US went into a depression and the stock market crashed.

could this happen to this project also...................>?

Is it just me or am I not getting something with the talk of "world's tallest residential tower" in the article? I mean, Trump Tower Chicago is currently under construction and is a 1360 foot residential tower.


The trump tower has a hotel in it, so it is not considered a residential building but a mixed-use building.

^^^^ to everyone

in that old ass article from like 1990 that talked about restrictions, there was no "unlimited height zone" the highest was like 990 feet or something.


but lets cross our fingers comeon faa

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/miami17/tallbuildingzone.jpg

if that diagram reflects the current height restrictions, than there's no way these new towers will be 1,200ft. looks like 900ft. may even pushing it.

i know he sounded confident in the article, but i gotta think that the developer isn't truly expecting to be able to build to 1,200ft. probably why he made the comment about being sure that he could build to 900ft.

btw, what's up with the layout of the 2 towers? the rendering makes them look like the box tower is just south of the holiday inn & the cylindrical one is just west of it. thing is, if you look at the site, it doesn't look like there's any room for the box tower to fit next to the hotel. it looks like they'll both be behind the hotel. & if that's the case that's just weak. these towers need to be right on biscayne, not behind an old, crappy hotel.

In the article, the FAA spokesperson sounded pretty concilliatory to me.

If you look closely at the diagram and then realize where the Four Seasons is located then this map is not a very good indicator of where the hieght restrictions truly are. If you look you will see that where the Four Seasons is currently located it is in the area where you can have only something in the 650'-700' range. Just an observation.

330 Biscayne would fall in the 700 - 750 range in that diagram.

Here is the area in question (not much room to the south of the Holliday Inn):

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/dave8721/330bisc.jpg

that site actually is bigger then you think

they own the white building next to the holiday inn and alot more of the parking behind it....

I just realized, if they build this building at 1,200ft and 110 floors, it will have the highest floor count in the US. Currenty, Sears Tower = 108 floors. Empire State Building = 102 floors. Only the old World Trade Buildings had 110 floors.

Good stuff.

that site actually is bigger then you think

they own the white building next to the holiday inn and alot more of the parking behind it....

which white building are you talking about, RX? isn't the holiday inn the only thing on that site?

cool buildings

good observation miami displaced man,

4 seasons is like in the 650 foot zone, so i dont think they have certain rules or areas on a given height, like 900 in cbd or 800 in brickell,

as the article states, the faa will rule the heigt according to each building and its size, and shape, and alot of math stuff.

UPDATE : skyscrapers.com have added both empire world towers to their proposed list. OOOHHH this is getting good.

Will people stop posting that ancient height restrictions map?
I think Miami has an area downtown without height restrictions. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'll try to find a new height restrictions map.

there a white office tower on the site right next to the holiday inn that property belongs to 330 biscayne llc so does the parking lot behind the holiday inn actually the holiday in has about 6-10 parking spaces all crammed along the back side of the building


please look at the map below and you will see the spot im talking about

http://img119.echo.cx/img119/6417/map3ie.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

I say one of us should write a petition to the FAA stating that we want the buildign height to be 1,200 Ft and we should all get people to sign it!!! DEAD SERIOUS!!!

they'll probably call FBI on you if you try TO DO that,they might think you're a terrorist

http://img119.echo.cx/img119/6417/map3ie.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

side view
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/enyers/from-bay.jpg

Tearing down the white building will be quite an endevor, its basically touching the Holiday Inn. Especially if the Holiday inn stays open at the time. Reminds me of when I lived in Boston they built the Fleet Center less than 1 foot from the old Boston Garden, then tore down the Boston Garden without doing any damage to the Fleet Center. Took almost a year of painstaking work.

Everyone's favorite gas station on Biscayne really stands out in Rx's diagram.

oh, i see. i thought the 2 buildings were one. gotcha.

however tall these towers get built, they're gonna dwarf that sorry little holiday inn.

Interesting stuff. Hope it happens. This building is going to stick out though guys, I mean its not in a spot that has a lot of height around it. Kind of suprising how many short buildings there are in that area. Has 50 biscayne and Everglades started construction yet? Hey, what is the capital building one and two? At the heights of 805 did they change the name of the SMA?

i personally think the holiday inn will luk quite pimp under the shadow of these new towers... 1200 feet looming over a tiny little maybe 100-200 footer... how cute... and 20 years from now, mayb theyll tear it down and put another 1200 footer there, mayb more... but im gettin ahead of myself

Good News guys about the 1,200 footers!!!

Listen, you guys need to log onto UrbanPlanet.com. under the Orlando section, in one of the threads listed there, a member flushed out the whole FAA restrictions phalacy and explained that the FAA does not actually have the authority to limit bldg. heights. He said that the city usually capitulates with them to keep intergovernmental harmony.

Now, regarding Orlando, I just found out last night that the developers or Sunbank itself made the City agree that the Sunbank (Suntrust) would remain the city's tallest until 2006. Sounds crazy that such an agreement would ever be made by a city to a developer-- but I was told that it was part of the deal, b/c at that time, there was nothing else being built in downtown and the City wanted to redevelop the area.

FAA's Southeast Office is in Atlanta-- how convenient. fat chance of those CS'ers ever approving those towers.

The Bright Side: If what the guy on UP said is true about the FAA, then if the City of Miami wants it, they'll push for it and just might get it.

There is a chance though that all he really wants is 900' of height and his proposal was purposely made 300' taller so that they could bargain away a few hundred feet and still stay at or above 900' by the time it was over and done with.

Trump Chicago: since when was that bldg. set to be 1,360' tall? It was always an 1,100 foot structure to my knowledge-- they are counting the antennae's height to get over 1,360'.

Yes, the developer might be 'high-balling'.

And Trump Tower Chicago is 1125 to the roof, and 1360 to the top of theflagpole, er, spire.

Interesting stuff. Hope it happens. This building is going to stick out though guys, I mean its not in a spot that has a lot of height around it. Kind of suprising how many short buildings there are in that area. Has 50 biscayne and Everglades started construction yet? Hey, what is the capital building one and two? At the heights of 805 did they change the name of the SMA?

Yeah it will stick out but i think it will help it rather than hurt it. Actually if you look at new york, the empire state building and the twin towers both reside(d) in relatively low scale neighborhoods (for manhattan) which adds to their emphasis, an opposite example is the times square area or the area around the UN/Chrsler/Seagram.

I am also curious about the capital building and sma if they are one in the same...? Both 50 and Everglades have begun to clear land and start digging foundations, though everglades appears to be further ahead.

actually i'll answer my own ? South Florida Dave said in the SMA thread that SMA is the capitol towers. Now lets get back to the 1,200 footers!

I know its just a prelim rendering but....does anyone know the author/architect that the developer used or is using. Thats the most telling sign of how it will look esp. in Miami where I think a lot of architects overuse their 'signature' motifs. :)

I hope they are more programmed and detailed on the street level(s) and that the massing from the pedestal to the tower is more transitional like the Lynx project which tries to harmonize the massing better than most MIA projects. :cheers:

the architect is kobi karp,which is why i know this is a very preliminary design since this isn't karp's style-he usually comes up with some unique nice designs

Thats actually really good news for Kobi. I like his work alot and think he'll use this opportunity to make a great building for Miami. Though i stand by my earlier comment about overuse of signatures, I can say that Kobi's portfolio is very broad and has some unique buildings that are a departure from typical miami condos. Also good to get a local architect who can put some sincerity into it rather than a corp. firm from NY/CHI or something who couldn't care less about Miami's identity.

yeah, they'll stand out bigtime, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. if these get built to at least 1,000 ft. they'll really bring the skyline together. hopefully they'll also raise the height level bar so that 700-1,000 foot buildings become more commonly built. although that's starting to become the norm right now even without them.

Great news about the 1200 footers! I read about it in the paper yesterday and was very excited. The talk here at SSP had been for a 1000 footer, but now we're talking a whopping 200' more than that. I believe that this can happen. The developer appears very serious about this project; the effects on air traffic have already been studied; he wants it to break height records; and its more tax money for the city. The main stumbling block as far as height is concerned is the FAA up in Hotlanta. For one, its the FAA, and they have wet dreams about shrimping down building heights anyway, but they're also located in our fave city (sarcasm) where the current tallest in the South is located (amazing how there are no height limits in Atlanta). I believe if the city and developer push like hell, it can happen. Just look at Las Vegas. And the fact it'll be in an area with few talls isn't a big deal. A supertall often looks even more striking if it stands alone with little competition.

by nightsky ssp
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/enyers/33631.gif

Awesome. Miami needs this building.

these buildings will make the Hancock and Aon center in Chicago like yesterday's news. Not to mention the Empire State Building and Bank of China: B/C none of those buildings are 1,200 feet to the roof.

Regarding the height to the surrounding area: just look at manhattan's skyline near the UN. The Trump World Tower looks like the square Kobi Karp tower and has a height to base ratio way greater than 7:1. But it works there b/c it's NYC.

FYI: Skyscragerpage.com has got some wacked out ratios for new buildings still: Lynx over 800'; Villa Magna 1 & 2 taller than Wachovia; etc...

And if they high-ball the Trump, why not the Hancock? Big John is about 1,492' to the top of the antennas. they did it with the AT&T in chi-town also. But they never did it with Sears. Why, I have no idea.

Anyway, if they build SMA and these KobiKarp buildings, Miami will be in the "club" of great skyline cities.

What I mean is great supertall skyline cities-- they already have a great skyline which IMO, is up there with Chicago and NYC...

a lot of people on different threads have been very pessimistic abaout these towers being built. And i just wanted to say to everyone that don't worry, by the time all of the residential towers get built, the land prices will be SO high they'll have no choice but to build higher. Sooner or later, and by that i mean sooner, we'll get a 1,000 footer.
i would bet my left and right leg that before 2010 we will have an approved 1000 footer.

be careful, mike, we might hold you that bet :wink2:

but i think you're right. it's just a matter of time before miami gets its 1,000 footer.

Listen, you guys need to log onto UrbanPlanet.com. under the Orlando section, in one of the threads listed there, a member flushed out the whole FAA restrictions phalacy and explained that the FAA does not actually have the authority to limit bldg. heights.Thanks for that ....I'll check it out. As a private pilot I've long suspected that to be bunk. And last Sunday, my buddy that flys commerical for AA told me that it definitely was bunk. He explained that if there were really any problems with the flight path, they would order "flight directives". As it is now, the main Miami runways are parallel and run east west 30 and 90 and fly closest to the Blue Green Diamonds...not even close to downtown/Brickell. The only runway that does is 120, and even though that runway is used mostly by fat ass 747 cargo planes, they still don't have any special instructions for take offs.
Boston Logan is 3 nautical miles from the cbd, MIA is over 5 nautical miles. If the FAA makes any recommendations, no local entity is bound by them.
JFK had a flight directive for the WTC, but it is a rare occurrance, and if there were 1,200 footers in downtown Miami, it wouldn't be a big deal from a pilots perspective.

The only thing that's got me flummoxed then, is why bigtime developers are so easily cowed into lowering the heights of their buildings.

The only thing that's got me flummoxed then, is why bigtime developers are so easily cowed into lowering the heights of their buildings.Personally, I think it is purely economics. You can't build tall as efficiently. The taller you go, the you use your FAR in a skinny building...elevators and stairs always have to be the same width, so the more skinny your building gets, the larger the percentage of "unsaleable" space. At a certain height....ego and pocketbook collide. It soothes the ego a little to say that the FAA kept you from going as tall as 2,000 feet. Maybe?

^ Has the ring of truth, given what we know of human nature.

wow. imagine living on the 110th floor

but lets say ego and pocketbook don't collide with KobiKarp. What's to become of this proposal? I mean, now, in 2005, this kind of proposal is much more realistic and relevant than if made in 1990, thus more probable to be built, IMO.

Imagine that twin project at 2,000' w/marlins stadium proposal and the Kobikarp twins on the skyline. That would be incredible. I don't think development will slow in Miami- namely b/c of the value of the $ to foreign investors looking to buy units domestically. At least I hope not.

Personally, I think it is purely economics. You can't build tall as efficiently. The taller you go, the you use your FAR in a skinny building...elevators and stairs always have to be the same width, so the more skinny your building gets, the larger the percentage of "unsaleable" space. At a certain height....ego and pocketbook collide. It soothes the ego a little to say that the FAA kept you from going as tall as 2,000 feet. Maybe?


So true, AND claiming that your tower is going to be the tallest condo in the world @ 1200FT gets you a lot of free advertisement. What other projects got this much attention from the local media?
Met 3 also put glossy ads in Ocean Drive and other local mags bragging about how tall their tower is going to be (The comment I had here was incorrect so I removed it).

I hope the 1200ft height isn't just a publicity stunt.

gator -

Met 3 has not been shrinking. 786 ft. was the old version.

Hey, Chuck ! I read somewhere that Met 3 is already one-third sold !

speaking of the "Mets" how tru are the rumors that Met 2 will be over 700 feet

:master:Oh, my bad! All this shrinkage has me confused.:) MET 3's final height IS 866ft?! That's great

DALE :) is Right; L.D. gator :) , MET 3 stays at 866 Feet , at 74 floors with the new design and approval from the City of Miami, Groundbreaking still expected before Christmas , 2005 !!! :cheers:
p.s. I cannot mention the sales lady's name at the Met sales trailer on site of Met 2 , but shes watching verything we say about Met 3, shes a nice lady :) .

Typo, lol. error, " Houston we have a problem ", lol., Everyone :) , please ignore this post, lol, and Go Cranes !!! :cheers:

That's amazing! Can't wait to see it built!

And to get an idea of how big it will be:

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=23&drawingID=32853 http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=37024&drawingID=33631 http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=17&drawingID=33243

Wow M-A-R-K :) , please ask " Mr.Destiny " a good movie actor with Jim Buleshi if we are really going to see these two tall, 1,200 foot , towers built in Miami within the next 7 years, I believe 2012 is going to be a Great year here in Miami. I will finally retire :sleepy: in a condo overlooking My beautiful new city of Miami.
oh , also MARK, Go Cranes !!! :cheers: 30 now and growing !!! :)

wow, that comparison really puts things into perspective. I hope they throw an observation deck in one of those bad boys!

Damn...I've been without an internet connection for awhile and I'm totally flabbergasted at this proposal....Can't wait to see what comes of this project...WoW!!!

wow, that comparison really puts things into perspective. I hope they throw an observation deck in one of those bad boys!

Yeah!! An observation deck would be great!!! From that high you could see Ft. Lauderdale, maybe Bimini and other Bahamian isles, the Keys, far across the everglades, and of course all of Miami-Dade. Does anyone know how many miles away you can see from 1200ft?

You would probably see up to 100 miles, on the days when there's not too much haze.

thought i should post this here too.

more details on empire world towers from globe st...

http://www.globest.com/news/291_291/miami/134528-1.html

Maclee Plans $1B Condo Complex, Calling It World's Tallest
By Marita Thomas
Last updated: May 24, 2005 06:42am

MIAMI-Locally based Maclee Developments plans to construct Empire World Towers, the world’s tallest residential condo, on a two-acre parcel at 330 Biscayne Blvd. It acquired the site now occupied by a parking lot and an 11-story office building from Coral Gables-based 330 LLC, a company headed by Allen Greenwald, for $31.7 million.

Leon Cohen, Maclee’s CEO, tells GlobeSt.com the existing office property will be demolished, and he estimates the overall development cost of Empire World Towers at close to $1.1 billion. It will consist of two 110-story buildings, each reaching to 1,123.6 feet. They will wrap around an existing Holiday Inn. A larger, rectangular building will contain 1,300 residential condominiums, and a narrower, round building will contain 557 apartment hotel units, he says. In all, the complex will contain more than 3.5 million sf, including 968,168 sf of parking area and 62,505 sf of commercial space.

The residential condos range from 921-sf, one-bedroom, one-bath layouts to 1,300-sf, two-bedroom, two-bath floor plans. Prices, Cohen says, will begin at $600 per sf and range up to $1,250 per sf for units on the top floors, putting the unit costs at from $550,000 to nearly $3.8 million for penthouses. “The architect selected preliminarily is a local architect, Kobi Karp,” Cohen says, adding that his father, Maurice Cohen, also of Maclee, developed the exterior design of the buildings. He also says the preliminary plans “may be modified due to zoning and structural engineering requirements.”

Regarding the timeline, Cohen says it is “composed of known durations, such as those for the zoning, design, financing, sales, permitting and construction, which, under normal circumstances, would not exceed four years. However, the unknown duration remains the time required to obtain FAA authorizations for 1,200 feet required for the project.” Maclee retained Alexandria, VA-based Aviation Management Associates to conduct a study regarding aviation issues presented by the property’s proximity to Miami International Airport. An AMA spokesman tells GlobeSt.com the issues can be addressed and resolved.

Maclee is handling the marketing and sales for Empire World Towers. Cohen says, “all units will be pre-sold prior to groundbreaking. In fact, the entire building will be pre-sold prior to groundbreaking.” Other Maclee projects include completion of Flatotel in New York City, and Empire Ocean Residence at 1475 Collins Ave. in South Beach.

so 1200feet was hype?

It's really only 1123 and most likely will be cut down by the FAA at least somewhat given the pattern we've seen with other buildings. Maybe it'll eek by at 950-1000ft when all is said and done.

hmmm interesting. why 1123? could that me without the parking structure?

hmm, well at least this report seems optimistic.

I guess there's nothing new regarding these towers...

Probably still a bit early.

I want these towers built. no city will have a major height edge on Miami if these are built. And if they are approved, watch the domino effect of taller future projects.

Even if the height is reduced to 900', these will still be very intimidating towers that will add a lot of beef to the skyline. It should also up the height ante, encouraging developers to build taller in Miami.

tru, but there's something about the 1,000 mark thats a bit like a threshold. The residential boom wont last for much longer. And if they are 900ft, then developers will build higher but will still be jitterish about building crossing the 1000 mark. However, even if they are built at a lower height than 1,200 but higher than 1,000 that threshold will be passed and we will have more tall buildings propsed.

like breaking the 1000foot ice, lol... hope it works, and the faa doesnt fuk us over once again

someone needs to petition the planning board regarding the disease aka the FAA. read that article under the Miami link.

Which article ?

I don't think the City of Miami is likely to be the source of a problem. The fact is, even if the entire Planning and Zoning Department staff were unanimously opposed and threatened to quit, the Planning Advisory Board were advocating open civil disobedience as a means for showing opposition, and the FAA paid Madonna, the Pope, and Arnold Schwarzenegger to fly to Miami and personally lobby against uber-tall skyscrapers... the Mayor and City Commission would tell everyone to go to hell and approve it anyway... as long as they were convinced it would somehow put Miami on the map as a more attractive tourist attraction and buy it more international prestige (and if it can be visible from Havana and be a daily thorn in Fidel Castro's side, so much the better). The City's leaders want world-class skyscrapers *so badly* it *hurts*.

If someone asks for a variance to build a 95-story building, they'll be told it's too intense a land use and will destroy the neighborhood.

If someone wants a variance to build a 195 story building and they can convince the City they have the means to pay for its construction and Make it Happen, the City would probably take the land from its current owner by eminent domian and GIVE IT to them for free.

Dale, under the general Miami page, there's a thread by mileageman called something like "Concerns over building height.. FAA".

If someone asks for a variance to build a 95-story building, they'll be told it's too intense a land use and will destroy the neighborhood.

If someone wants a variance to build a 195 story building and they can convince the City they have the means to pay for its construction and Make it Happen, the City would probably take the land from its current owner by eminent domian and GIVE IT to them for free.

Truer words are hard to come by, and not just true for Miami, but any city on Earth.

If the correct height is in fact 1124ft EWT will NOT be the tallest residential towers in the world. Melbourne Australia allowed the Eureka Tower to stick a 200-foot tall extension thing on the roof which brings its height up to 1152ft. Here is an article about it:
http://www.emporis.com/en/bu/nc/ne/?id=101253

It will certainly be taller to the roofline, although Dubai will probably build something taller than both anyway.

that's such bullshite. for pete's sake, the hancock is 1,127' to the roof. the two antenna masts are 365' which brings its total height to 1,492' which is taller than sears at the roofline of 1,454', but 1,707' to the top of its two masts, which is shorter than the former wtc tower's height at the top of its mast which was 1,812' high, but was only 1,350' to the roof.

this dubai tower can kiss my @. stats are f'd up. roofline and tallest occupiable floor should be the only factor in world's tallest bldg stats.

whats the latest on this pipedream project. I'm getting really tired of these projects getting hacked.

whats the latest on this pipedream project. I'm getting really tired of these projects getting hacked.

It's been chopped to two stories and will need a special waiver to install a satellite dish.

^^I wouldn't be at all surprised if that were true. :cry:

I can't even go to the roof of my house without worrying the damn FAA.

the FAA has proposed that the site be used to put two lawn chairs with a guy named Chuck and another older gentleman yet to be named so they can sit and watch cranes go up..but not too high of course and see if they get near planes. These gentlemen will be supplied with top of the line lawn chairs and drink cups. They will also get spf 50 so as to keep them safe from the harmful rays of the sun which are so common in this area and which the FAA hopes to have hit everyone without being blocked by nasty tall buildings. Current guidlines show that the positions these men fill will require drinking a lot of beer and then screaming when they see planes and calling 911 to say the sky is falling. This will further the cause of not allowing tall buildings and helping to make miami have a new suburb called naples. On other fronts a man only identified as "Dale" was arrested for violating the height guildlines for suburban Orlando today.

rider, you're funnier than me !

Who knew ? ;)

haha Dale, I have my moments :D

that's funny, cause a friend of mine who's 6'6'' just got arrested by the FAA here in Orlando b/c he's too tall. they let him go with a warning and told him he had to slouch when he walked.

Thats is so messed up man!!!!! lol, we all know the FAA is a band of terrorists, why does no one do anything. May God save us from the ground hugging thugs at the FAA :)

Everyone :) , We're on a ROLL here :applause: , lets all meet at the F.A.A. :bash: :hammer: Tower at Miami International Airport's west side and Protest with our S.S.C. Member signs and get on Channel 7 news and Local 10 news and show how FED UP ( almost like FED EX employees, lol ) we really are PISSED about these crazy Tower Limits in our City of Miami. lets fight them out of the Tower, lol. :nocrook: :badnews: :weird:

^good idea chuck

I'm in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alright so i'm snooping around the downtown development authority website and they've got this interactive map of the skyline with all the proposed projects and underconstruction lumped in made by the Herald. And so i'm scrolling along the map and I get to Biscayne Blvd and of course the infamous Empire World Towers and they have it listed as..... 659 ft, 56 flrs. And this map is relatively current cause they have Lynx and other fresh projects.

I hope the Herald doesn't know something we don't know. I hope maybe they have those numbers confused with another project. I hope maybe this is a plot by the evil Herald staff do give us like 2 minutes of Cardiac Arrest. I hope my computer is smoking crack and thats not what it says at all...

I was right, it's got to be a typo. Cause they've got the old rendering and the rendering itself has more than 100 floors. Plus, if it were chopped down so significantly they would have new renderings by now, uh?

I was right, it's got to be a typo. Cause they've got the old rendering and the rendering itself has more than 100 floors. Plus, if it were chopped down so significantly they would have new renderings by now, uh?
Thats' RIGHT the ONE and Only Cuban :) , your right, and over 100 floors it is, even if its only 1125 feet, its still over a 1,000. Now lets see it built and someone needs to RoadBlock the F.A.A. :bash: from stopping this Tower !
Go Cranes !!! :cheers:
P.S. :| even if the tallest one of the two towers gets built at 95 floors, it will still be over 1,000 feet with the silly flying bird design on top, lol. :rofl:

1 and only cuban,

they messed up on that one, but they even had a lil asterick and a note at the bottom next to it,

the rendering they show is the new rendeirng, the 1200 footers, but thats old info they have, i remmber on the bottom of the page, it said something like "developer plans 110 floor towers, but no plans filed with city yet" so they got the 600 foot height form the city development, and the developer didnt propose the 1200 foot height to them.. yet....

1 and only cuban,

they messed up on that one, but they even had a lil asterick and a note at the bottom next to it,

the rendering they show is the new rendeirng, the 1200 footers, but thats old info they have, i remmber on the bottom of the page, it said something like "developer plans 110 floor towers, but no plans filed with city yet" so they got the 600 foot height form the city development, and the developer didnt propose the 1200 foot height to them.. yet....
I just checked the Herald's Interactive Miami New Skyline thing and I saw the 659' height but I didn't see the asterik. But the fact that this developer tried to be proactive about the height issues the FAA would certainly raise and got these AMA consultants to hopefully work out a solution to the FAA problem ahead of time is encouraging. I don't think I've heard of any other developer here in Miami do that.

^it wasnt on the website, it was on the newspaper

Maybe once he hit the 659' height, he was planning to go on a 1 year vacation while construction crews kept adding floors-- 44 to be exact. crafty devil.

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/5492/groundwork32dx.jpg

Plans for the Empire World Towers in downtown Miami have been modified to meet new criteria but still need the approval of the Federal Aviation Administration, which limits the height of new buildings under the flight path to MIA.

If built, it would be the world’s tallest residential condo building and an exciting landmark for Miami; imagine the views from the 110th floor! (Currently, the Four Seasons Hotel & Tower on Brickell Avenue is Florida's tallest high-rise at 789 feet.)

Developer Leon Cohen of Maclee Development envisages a total of 1,800 residential units in two 1,200-foot-high towers, a condominium building and an apartment-hotel, on a two-acre site at 330 Biscayne Blvd. With retail at street level and 18 garage levels above, the residential units would start high above the city and go up, up, up. Miami architect Kobi Karp has designed “life safety” features, which include three bridges between the towers to provide egress from one to the other.

http://www.miamisunpost.com/groundwork.htm

Well, the new rendering looks tantalizing. Where are all the forumers who were howling over the *very* prelimenary initial sketches ?

cool. nice to see the developer is serious enough about this to have new renderings done. it's hard to say too much about how it looks since the pic is so small, but it looks alright to me. the fact that they'd be roughly 1,200 ft. would make them absolutely spectacular, i'd think.

i see they have now have skybridges connecting the 2 buildings (where's the 3rd one the article mentions?). i just hope there's also an observation deck of some kind, although since their mostly residential towers they might not want that.

great buildings, cant wait, now this is the biggest project in miami, and best because of height. lets hope for an observation deck

i can't help but notice in that rendering that now both buildings are rounded... i dunno, maybe its just me. and yeah, where is that third walkway?

I'm hopeful about the design if only because I like Kobi Karp.

The new rendering brings new hope to this tower. But why are they still boasting that this will be the tallest residential condo building in the world? Towers in Dubai that are under construction already will have that title I think :ohno:

23 marina in dubai is currently under construction at 1247 feet... so if these are 1248 they will b the tallest residentials in the world...

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=230723

Maybe the Miami project will be the tallest non-chintzy looking residential towers in the world. ;)

23M will have a spire that takes it above 1,200. Perhaps this could bring you Miami folk to the light the we Chicagoans have seen for 10 years: spires ain't worth s###.

STR -

We'll take that 542 ft. eggbeater, if you Chi-towners don't want it. ;)

Maybe the Miami project will be the tallest non-chintzy looking residential towers in the world. ;)
You mean a Miami "tallest" that will never see actual steel and concrete arrive to the site at that height :runaway:

You mean a Miami "tallest" that will never see actual steel and concrete arrive to the site at that height :runaway:

Do I detect envy in the Panamanian ?

DALE :wave: , bro, let me know please, since you have been here in the SkyscraperCity forums for 3 YEARS :okay: , does the ABOVE Picture in each Forum means 3 Years of the SkyScraperCity .com Forums started back in September of 2002 :cheer: . Just Curious, lol.
If this is TRUE, Congrats DALE :rock: , your posts have been great through the past 3 years !!! :dance:

p.s. DALE :) , you should break 3,500 Posts this week, Go Cranes !!! Thanks for your help, and keep posting, YES !!! :cheers:

Do I detect envy in the Panamanian ?
We have the tallest residenciales currently going up in the Americas
75,80,80+ 80+, 10 towers over 50 floors under actual constuction. Lived and worked in both cities, we have the better skyline, but that is subjective of course. Check out the latin website once in a while. Certainly no envy, I would not trade my skyline for Miami's. No offense intended though because the vertical growth of both cities is impressive.

Well, I'm happy for Panama City. Although that does not explain why you felt the urge to come over and poop on a Miami project.

I dunno guys, I have heard that concrete may be in very short supply due to the hurricane. Will have to wait and see.

I believe that third bridge is near the bottem if you look closely you can see it. Or it might be mixed in with the background between the two we can plainly see. :D

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/5492/groundwork32dx.jpg

I dunno guys, I have heard that concrete may be in very short supply due to the hurricane. Will have to wait and see.

What are you saying, rider ? That all planned projects are in doubt because of Katrina ?

Dale I wouldnt say they are in doubt, I would say that they may be slowed down or pushed back. Of course they will probably have the price of concrete hiked again.

Panaboom I looked at some pictures of Panama City and was suprised and impressed. I didnt know they had such a nice skyline. I didnt find any information on them building any 80 story buildings though, where is that info?

emporis must not be updated with panama city's u/c list of new scrapers over 50 stories. frankly, after looking at the list of the 30 tallest buildings there, i'm not that impressed enough to question why someone would draw a comparison with miami in the first place.

Anyway, with regard to Chicago, I haven't seen anything yet, spire or no spire that beats the Hancock. I just can't fathom why they refuse to count the twin antennae on the JHC and the Sears, yet they count those stupid stainless steel and globe and spikes on petronas.

I mean, who ever heard of twin antennae on supertalls before the JHC. That alone should be reason to classify the antennae as ornamental in a sense. screw em.

Kobi Karp. I like this guy. I like this guy alot.

emporis must not be updated with panama city's u/c list of new scrapers over 50 stories. frankly, after looking at the list of the 30 tallest buildings there, i'm not that impressed enough to question why someone would draw a comparison with miami in the first place.
emporis? where's the accuracy there. Miamians who visit Panama City and get a real time look at what is going up now and in the future are impressed, believe me very impressed. They say our skyline is better.

haha, here is a line from a NYtimes article that everyone might find amusing :PANAMANIANS joke that the McDonald's franchises and glass skyscrapers make Panama City the "Miami of the South," except that more English is spoken here. Clever
Here is a link to a picture http://centralamerica.com/panama/areas/pancity.htm
I personally am impressed by it, I had no idea that PC had such height.
Panboom I dont see anything about new 80 story buildings however.

I dunno guys, I have heard that concrete may be in very short supply due to the hurricane. Will have to wait and see.Concrete is in short supply and has been for well over a year...couple that with strong demand and that is why the prices are going up.
Sorry for the Econ 101, but Katrina is not likely as big a factor on concrete prices as highrise construction in Miami, Dubai, Panama City, Las Vegas, Beijeing, etc. is a factor. Oh yeah...and the Chinese infrastucture boom...

Plus, we're a long way from actually starting new construction in New Orleans.

:sleepy:

Wait, wont these towers dwarf the Freedom Tower a couple of parcels to the north renderring it insignificant in the skyline?
:runaway:

Dale your right about being a while before starting on NOLA, but then many of the projects in Miami have not started yet. There is going to be lots of construction going on in Mississippi and other gulf areas as well though, but again it may take a while for that as well, Roark is also right about China, who also is causing gas to go up (communist capitalists, and unionized Walmarts, cant beat that) but..
Short term:
Because Florida imports 40 percent of its concrete supplies, losing the port of New Orleans to Katrina struck a blow to availability, said Edie Ousley, with the Florida Home Builders Association.
link: http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050909/NEWS0106/509090451/1076

Long term:
http://www.sacbee.com/24hour/special_reports/katrina/bee/story/13517856p-14358641c.html
Concrete also will be harder to come by — and pre-Katrina shortages routinely have delayed local projects for months. More bad news: New Orleans was the No. 1 port of entry for imported concrete, which requires the use of specialized terminal facilities. The customs districts of New Orleans and Mobile, Ala., both devastated by the monster Katrina, accounted for 12 percent of all concrete imports last year. That supply disruption will further aggravate South Florida builders' attempts to keep concrete flowing and prices down. What flows out of builders' pockets eventually flies out of home buyers' wallets, too.
Link: http://www.palmbeachpost.com/business/content/business/epaper/2005/09/05/c1bz_rawlscol_0905.html
This includes materials like concrete, lumber, etc. In addition to price increases, apparently concrete supplies are such that in some areas of the southeast it has been on a rationing/allocation system.
http://odnt.typepad.com/new_dog_old_trick/2005/08/economic_impact.html
My wife spoke to contractors in Arkansas last week who told her they were having major problems getting concrete no mater what the cost.

[QUOTE=dave8721]Wait, wont these towers dwarf the Freedom Tower a couple of parcels to the north renderring it insignificant in the skyline?
:runaway:

lol Dave boy they will dwarf everything so there may be a fight from people a mile away about that, and they would cast shadows on the bay too least we forget how terrible that is.

Oh, well. I guess the sky is falling.

To Panaboom you obviously enjoy throwing Panama's skyline into this topic but Miami is on another level compared to Pananma.With two 1200 footers not to mention 866ft,835ft,808ft,790ft,789ft just to throw out a few heights at you.Pananma is doing fine but stop trying to comapare yourself with the big boys.I have never heard from anyone stoned or sober from Miami who would rate your skyline better than Miami's.

To Panaboom you obviously enjoy throwing Panama's skyline into this topic but Miami is on another level compared to Pananma.With two 1200 footers not to mention 866ft,835ft,808ft,790ft,789ft just to throw out a few heights at you.Pananma is doing fine but stop trying to comapare yourself with the big boys.I have never heard from anyone stoned or sober from Miami who would rate your skyline better than Miami's.

I second that :yes: :okay:

Rating the skylines"

(1) Miami
(2) Panama City Beach, FL
(3) Panama City, Panama

:)

haha^

ooohhhh K, Panboom you still havent given me the info on those new towers you were talking about?

To Panaboom you obviously enjoy throwing Panama's skyline into this topic but Miami is on another level compared to Pananma.With two 1200 footers not to mention 866ft,835ft,808ft,790ft,789ft just to throw out a few heights at you.Pananma is doing fine but stop trying to comapare yourself with the big boys.I have never heard from anyone stoned or sober from Miami who would rate your skyline better than Miami's.
I only replied to the remark about the Panamanian having envy and am justified in providing an honest no response. If anyone thinks that the 2 1200 footers have a great shot of being realized then that is fantastic. We do have more towers over 40 floors under contruction than Miami's CBD and Brickell :) Sorry for that fact, that was for ignorant remarks below. Now liven up your Miami forum on your own with mentioning Panama :) :) :jk:

Panaboom our skyline is still better without the 1200 footers get out of here with this Panama crap.

I agree. Miami's Cartier. Panama City's Timex.

"More 40 story towers u/c than cbd and brickell." Whoopdee-doo. There's more construction in the Tri-County area-- no, no, just in Miami-Dade itself than in the entire country of Panama, including the rest of Central America.

I would really like to see a complete list of 40+ story towers u/c in PC. If emporis is so out of date, then you owe it to this forum to educate us on whats really going on in PC. thanx.

I found a view from another angle of the EWT:

http://www.kobikarp.com/images/EWTBiscayne%204.jpg

A *far* cry from the prelimenary sketches that sent everyone running, screaming from the room.

i like them but still the renderings look wierd,is it suppose to be all glass,or is it concrete w/ gl;ass on the balconies only.

I like it...but of course we're gonna need more renderings before making a clear judgement.

this is promising though!

It looks all glass to me judging by the reflections on the lower portion, but of course you never can tell by a rendering.

Recessed balconies ?

whats the point of balconies at over 1000ft,the wind must be unbearable especially during hurricanes.

the panamians seem to be pissed off at ewt,or maybe it was because i was making fun of there new 1000ft,which has an umbrella on top...
good height, but really bad design, they should do something better than that.
well atleast thier design is original,, and not somethin common like a Rectangle and a Cilinder design for the Empire world Towers, now thats something outta middle school architect student

http://www.kobikarp.com/images/EWTBiscayne%204.jpg

I don't care what anyone else thinks, those are classy. Especially for condos.

well thanks str....

Let's talk about the tops. They look like teal-colored berets. Or is it just me.

I'd be very happy with these, though.

Burj Dubai Dubai UAE 705m / 2313ft 160 2009
Russia Tower Moscow Russia 648m / 2126ft 134 2010
Fordham Spire Chicago USA 610m / 2000ft 115 2009
International Business Center Seoul South Korea 580m / 1903ft 130 2008
Freedom Tower New York USA 541m / 1776ft 82 2010
Taipei 101 Taipei Taiwan 509m / 1671ft 101 2004
Busan Lottle Tower Busan South Korea 494m / 1621ft 107 2007
Shanghai World Financial Center Shanghai China 492m / 1614ft 101 2007
Abraj Al Bait Hotel Tower Mecca Saudi Arabia 485m / 1591ft 76 2006
Union Square Phase 7 Hong Kong China 484m / 1588ft 118 2007
Suyong Bay Tower Busan South Korea 462m / 1516ft 102 2010
Petronas Tower 1 Kuala Lumpur Malaysia 452m / 1483ft 88 1998
Petronas Tower 2 Kuala Lumpur Malaysia 452m / 1483ft 88 1998
Dubai Towers Doha Doha Qatar 445m / 1460ft 80 2007
Sears Tower Chicago USA 442m / 1450ft 108 1974
Asia Plaza Kaohsiung Taiwan 431m / 1414ft 103 2008
Jin Mao Building Shanghai China 421m / 1380ft 88 1998
Dalian International Trade Center Dalian China 420m / 1378ft 78 2007
One World Trade Center New York USA 417m / 1368ft 110 1972-2001
Two World Trade Center New York USA 415m / 1362ft 110 1972-2002
Two International Finance Center Hong Kong China 415m / 1362ft 88 2003
Trump International Hotel and Tower Chicago USA 415m / 1360ft 92 2008
Greenland Square Zifeng Tower Nanjing China 400m / 1312ft 70 2008
CITIC Plaza Guangzhou China 391m / 1283ft 80 1997
North Bund Tower Shanghai China 388m / 1273ft 72
Shun Hing Square Shenzhen China 384m / 1260ft 69 1996
Plaza Rakyat Office Tower Kuala Lumpur Malaysia 382m / 1253ft 79 2006
Empire State Building New York USA 381m / 1250ft 102 1931
Marina Dubai UAE 380m / 1247ft 90 2008
Central Plaza Hong Kong China 374m / 1227ft 78 1992
Millennium Tower Frankfurt Germany 369m / 1211ft 97
Bank of China Tower Hong Kong China 367m / 1205ft 72 1990
Bank of America Tower New York USA 366m / 1200ft 54 2008
New Zhengzhou Hotel Zhengzhou China 360m / 1181ft 68
Wanhao Financial Center Chongqing China 357m / 1171ft 72 2005
Emirates Office Tower Dubai UAE 354m / 1163ft 54 2000
Almas Tower Dubai UAE 350m / 1148ft 65 2007
Emirates Hotel Dubai UAE 350m / 1148ft 70 2008
Tunex Sky Tower Kaohsiung Taiwan 347m / 1140ft 85 1997
Aon Center Chicago USA 346m / 1136ft 83 1973
The Center Hong Kong China 346m / 1135ft 73 1998
The Torch Dubai UAE 345m / 1132ft 80 2008
John Hancock Center Chicago USA 344m / 1127ft 100 1969
Empire World Tower 1 Miami USA 343m / 1124ft 110 2010
Empire World Tower 2 Miami USA 343m / 1124ft 110 2010
Sapphire Tower Toronto Canada 342m / 1122ft 90
Najd Tower Dubai UAE 340m / 1115ft 82 2008
Federation, Tower A Moscow Russia 340m / 1115ft 87 2007
Princess Tower Dubai UAE 340m / 1115ft 90 2009
East Office Tower Tokyo Japan 338m / 1109ft 77 2010
Abbco Rotana Hotel Dubai UAE 333m / 1093ft 72 2006
Shimao International Plaza Shanghai China 333m / 1093ft 60 2005
Wuhan International Securities Building Wuhan China 331m / 1087ft 68 2005
Ryugyong Hotel Pyongyang North Korea 330m / 1083ft 105 1992
China World Trade Center Tower III Beijing China 330m / 1083ft 80 2005
One Central Park Dubai UAE 328m / 1076ft 80 2008
Trump Int'l Hotel and Tower Toronto Canada 325m / 1066ft 70 2008
Wenzhou World Trade Center Wenzhou China 323m / 1060ft 68 2006
Q1 Gold Coast Australia 322m / 1058ft 78 2005

^ I don't know that there would be open balconies up on the higher floors. Maybe on some of the lower floors but it's hard to tell if there are any at all in the render.

i thought these projects were dead:
russia tower
int.bus.center
suyong bay
greenland zifeng-decreased height
millenium tower

wow, I really hope these buildings get built. This is such a unique design for such a monster. I think its great for not being so flashy, it may end up fitting in miami's skyline beautifully. Great thousand footer miami. :cheers:

I really hope EWT gets built, they look so much better now with these new renderings; I really hope they get accepted! -dreams-

And Panama City's skyline is actually pretty cool and surprising, so I wouldn't diss it too much, and I don't think they're on such a different scale, since they actually seem to be at about same levels, but that's just me, I don't know. Don't want to continue anything but just thought I'd leave in my opinion.

i was looking at google maps, trying to see how EWT would fit onto the current lot, specifically, the building closest to Biscayne BLVD.... bit confused. I know they said that the Holiday Inn was going to stay, but are they knocking down the other building on the site?... i think a radio station currently resides in that building. If they do knock it down it would make more sense... more room.

yea the developer bought that lot.

hope it gets built, would be amazing,

i thought these projects were dead:
russia tower
int.bus.center
suyong bay
greenland zifeng-decreased height
millenium tower

Russia Tower will be cut down below 600m and moved to a different site, but is still likely to be built. It's survived this far.

IBC has likely been axed. Construction should have been underway by now, but it isn't. Same with Suyong Bay.

I've never even heard of that Greenland thing.

Millenium Tower? Which one are we talking about?

im luvin these more and more... but still cautious about gettin my hopes up... its a long shot for these to get built guys...

Didn't the developer say he was hopeful about getting the waiver, but confident that he'd get at least 950 ft. ?

950 ft still wouldn't be bad.

...But it's not 1,000 feet.

^true its not a 1000, which is our goal

950ft would be fine with me, and they'd look so nice with our skyline, especially now that they've been modified with a more sleek look. I really like the ovalness of them better than the boxed and circle thing the other designs had...

under 1,000 aint cutting it if they go shorter then we need a new project to go that far. id love 2 c a 1000+ footer somewhere on the river or bay. (but w/the EWT also!!!!!)

i just have a hard time believing that a developer who has only done one project is now going to do two 1100ft towers....anyone think this might of just been a publicity stunt for his business???

publicity stunt for his business.... lolol.. i don't even know the name of the guyz company... don't really care... just get approval and build the damn things already !

Highly doubt a company would spend millions and millions on a piece of land not to actually pursue building something large on that plot

Hey, was it just a publicity stunt when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor ? Well, was it ?

Hey, was it just a publicity stunt when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor ? Well, was it ?The Germans didn't bomb Pearl Harbour!!! Wait...didn't mean to stop you...you were on a roll...

;)

Highly doubt a company would spend millions and millions on a piece of land not to actually pursue building something large on that plotYes Hatter...put me in the cynical camp. I have no doubts that a developer/speculator would spend millions on a piece of land without pursuing something large (see Lynx developers).
Some speculators may purchase a building/piece of land that isn't quite optimal and put together a pretty picture/rendering and try to flip the project/land to a bigger fool for some return with no risk.
Any word in the public records about that IM Pei vehicle next to the old Centrust Building???

Yes Hatter...put me in the cynical camp. I have no doubts that a developer/speculator would spend millions on a piece of land without pursuing something large (see Lynx developers).
Some speculators may purchase a building/piece of land that isn't quite optimal and put together a pretty picture/rendering and try to flip the project/land to a bigger fool for some return with no risk.
Any word in the public records about that IM Pei vehicle next to the old Centrust Building???
amen roark that seems like exactly what would happen esp. in miami.
and w/1200 ft in miami i c conservatives everywhere getting a hardon at the idea of thwarting this and freedom tower too !

Why are we hating on this particular project ? I thought we were talking about a developer with mucho wherewithal (who has gone to lots of trouble negotiating with aviation authorities).

Why are we hating on this particular project ? I thought we were talking about a developer with mucho wherewithal (who has gone to lots of trouble negotiating with aviation authorities).C'mon Dale...I'm not a hater!
I admire and respect most people that take a risk to do something magnificent...I just don't think that the economics work out on this particular site. Further, it doesn't come as a surprise that a developer would plunk down 30% and finance a piece of land, then create some buzz, and then try to sell for a profit over his purchase price, trying to use the leverage to turn a profit...that is an example of the market economy that makes the US great...but still, the reality of 120 stories is not economically feasible there and unless a developer wants to build it knowing that he'll lose money...i just don't think it's going to happen.

or unless he charges over a million per unit.

i'm not trying to be a hater,but i'm just saying that until the day that i see a crane at 300biscayne i really won't believe it,and then i'll still be suspicious of the height of the towers.this guy is going to have to be the a miracle worker if he thinks he's going to build these,which i doubt is his intention.he has to get approval from faa(hard thing to do),he has to get approval from the city(easy as long as some nimby's forget about this project),he then has to sell the units (by the time these get approved(i don't think they'll be a market for 1200 overpriced units), then comes one of the hardest parts financing(developers have enough trouble trying to finance one tower imagine 2).finally he has to build the towers,during a time when construction prices will be really high.

although i have a good feeling that this guy is just trying to make a large profit on that land he brought by making this phantom project i.e. lynx...he should atleast make the project more realistic.because right now it looks like the biggest fantasy miami has ever seen...even bigger than verticus.

Is it really 120 stories ? Or is that just Trumpspeak for '1,200 ft. building' ?

And in any case, it'll probably get knocked down to 90 stories, thus making it financially feasable.

Or it will didle around trying to get something it cant and the market will pass it buy and nothing will be built there for years.

Well, we're getting thirty-story projects in downtown Orlando which have lined up thousands of reservations per. Developers are having to turn firehoses upon mobs to quell the chaos.

Hey, you're not one of those Bubble Theorists, are you ? ;)

Nope but you and I both know that somewhere down the road there will be more supply than demand, it always happens. The prices on that baby will be high and there is a limited number of people who can afford those units and well thousands have been sold already and the well will come up dry eventually.

Yeah, but like the proverbial cockroaches, the buyers keep coming, in droves, with lots and lots of money.

Did you know a prospective condo-buyer can live, with his head cut off, for weeks ?

Everyone :wave: , 90 floors sounds great to me, just build it, and get it started now !!! Interest rates are still holding and keeping this 2005 through the end of 2006 boom still alive :okay: at www.interest.com , their buying these hot condos at 5.69 % rates and promises to stay awile longer at these fantastic rates, So like Jorge Perez :bowtie: always says, " Build Fast, Finish Fast " :applause: , that's why he has 50 projects going up just in Miami-Dade :cool: county alone. :banana: :cheer: :carrot:

Jorge needs to concentrate on Miami. I hear he's really struggling in Las Vegas.

Yeah, but like the proverbial cockroaches, the buyers keep coming, in droves, with lots and lots of money.

Did you know a prospective condo-buyer can live, with his head cut off, for weeks ?

HAHA Dale thats a joke only Floridians with gigantic roaches would get. I actually gave a cockroach tutorial at work a few months ago because some patient brought them into the hospital. You can imagine that there wasnt a great deal of enthusiasm for such training, but I pushed on anyway :tyty:

I still can't get over the whole Panama City mumbo jumbo....

Build these darn buildings and build them tall- full FAA variance and all.

As a transplanted native Miamian now living in Philly, I've been a troll on this site for quite awhile. You guys do a fantastic job of keeping me informed on developments back home---and hopefully I'll add something reasonably coherent on occassion now that I'm registered.

Anyway, I hate to be the bearer of "bad" news (particularly in my first post), but I just used the interactive skyline map on the Miami DDA website and noticed that Empire World Towers has been cut WAAAY down to a mere 659-foot project. If one of you fellas had already posted that news, sorry if I missed it...but I hadn't seen anything.

Personally, I never really thought the project would be built as originally conceived---just as many others are likely to remain on paper only---but it was nice to have at least a sliver of hope that the elusive "supertall" would grace the skyline. Ah, well...guess we'll have to wait a bit longer.

Anyway, glad to be aboard and looking forward to participating here at least semi-regularly. Keep up the great work!

As a transplanted native Miamian now living in Philly, I've been a troll on this site for quite awhile. You guys do a fantastic job of keeping me informed on developments back home---and hopefully I'll add something reasonably coherent on occassion now that I'm registered.

Anyway, I hate to be the bearer of "bad" news (particularly in my first post), but I just used the interactive skyline map on the Miami DDA website and noticed that Empire World Towers has been cut WAAAY down to a mere 659-foot project. If one of you fellas had already posted that news, sorry if I missed it...but I hadn't seen anything.

Personally, I never really thought the project would be built as originally conceived---just as many others are likely to remain on paper only---but it was nice to have at least a sliver of hope that the elusive "supertall" would grace the skyline. Ah, well...guess we'll have to wait a bit longer.

Anyway, glad to be aboard and looking forward to participating here at least semi-regularly. Keep up the great work!

The 659 footer was the project proposed for the site before Empire.

Welcome to the forum Spellbound :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/enyers/1000.jpg

Wow Mad Hatter, that photo is awesome! Where'd you get it? And what building is next to One Biscayne? Is that suppose to be the old 50 Biscayne or what, I don't recongise that green building. And I'm assuming the two tall towers on the right is the VCOTA (maybe EWT) or what? Nice photo though thanks!

i made it....the tower behind wachovia is met3,next to one biscayne is 50 biscayne,the two green ones are everglades on the bay..the 2 black ones are ewt

MAD

MET 3 SHOULD BE BEHIND THE TOWER WITH THE ATENA THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT ANGLE AND POSITION IF YOU PUT IT ON THE LOT...

Status?This is project of most interest to me outside Chicago. I gots to know what's up?

Status?This is project of most interest to me outside Chicago. I gots to know what's up?

Ask the FAA, its in their hands now. The project is locked up with a bunch of others in a fight between the City and Miami International Airport & the FAA over building heights in the downtown area.

The Miami Herald (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/14014387.htm)
THE HOUSING BOOM | MIAMI INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT
City's high-rise boom stirs discussion about flight safety
By ANDRES VIGLUCCI
aviglucci@MiamiHerald.com

Miami city leaders have been discreetly lobbying Miami International Airport and federal aviation authorities to lift height restrictions on new buildings in and around downtown -- limits meant to ensure clear flight paths for planes.

The city's yearlong lobbying effort is vigorously opposed by American Airlines, other MIA carriers and pilots unions. They contend that skyscrapers now under construction or approved are already too numerous and too tall, and that they will create a ''Great Wall of Miami'' along Biscayne Bay that will compromise flight safety, add to their costs and squeeze airport operations.

''Miami is just growing by leaps and bounds; the numbers of tall buildings are increasing,'' said American Capt. Mike Leone, chairman of the Allied Pilots Association's safety committee. ``So why lower the safety bar? They should be thinking of raising the safety bar.''

The tussle, waged largely out of public sight, pits two of Miami's most powerful and vital economic players -- airlines and developers -- in a heated contest over the city's increasingly crowded urban airspace, with millions of dollars and the future viability of MIA potentially at stake.

It also underscores just how intense the city's high-rise boom has become, as developers propose towers far taller than anything Miami has seen -- including several exceeding 100 stories.

Buildings that tall would break through long-standing federal and local limits that cap towers at 950 feet in the downtown core and taper to 650 feet along the bay to the north and south. The limits are designed to let planes clear buildings by at least 1,000 feet under routine conditions.

In the past 18 months, the airspace rules have thwarted several developers' plans to erect 1,000-foot skyscrapers and have forced others to downscale.

The conflict arises from MIA's proximity to downtown. The airport's east-west configuration, designed to take advantage of prevailing winds, puts airplane takeoffs and approaches directly over the center of the city's high-rise boom -- Brickell, downtown, the Omni-Edgewater area and the Miami River.

In letters to MIA and the Federal Aviation Administration, city officials have complained that ''outdated'' regulations are keeping the white-hot condo boom from reaching as far into the sky as a gaggle of big developers and architects would like.

City administrators say they want to accommodate developers' dreams for taller buildings to maximize the bang from the boom -- but only so long as the towers don't affect flight safety or MIA's viability. They say they believe there is room to increase height limits without hurting flight operations.

''No one wants to create a hazard out there,'' said Otto Boudet-Murias, the city's chief of planning and urban development. ``But certain areas of the city are zoned for high-intensity projects. These are very valuable to the city.''

`A FINITE RESOURCE'

In response, MIA officials are exploring a compromise that would allow buildings up to 1,000 feet in a small area downtown, and up to 750 feet along the bay in Brickell and Edgewater. That would require an OK from the FAA as well as the Miami-Dade County Commission, said airport planner Sunil Harman.

He warned, however, that developers and the city are unlikely to get all they want. The city's chief building official, Jose Ferras, has asked for all height restrictions to be lifted downtown, something Harman said just won't fly.

''Airspace is a finite resource,'' Harman said. ``Not in all areas of Miami can you build the way people want to build. We want to strike a balance.''

Pilots and airlines say the drive for taller buildings is misdirected, both for safety and economic reasons.

The proliferation of very tall buildings, they say, will force routine flights to climb more steeply or bank more sharply, while curtailing room to maneuver during emergencies or bad weather.

American and other airlines are particularly worried about FAA rules requiring that aircraft be able to clear buildings by set margins should they lose an engine on takeoff -- 300 feet to either side of the flight path, and 35 feet over the tallest obstacles.

Ensuring that jets on one engine can clear a line of super-tall buildings would require substantial reductions in passenger, fuel and cargo loads, hurting their already precarious economic situation, the airlines say. That would prove especially burdensome to airlines flying big jets with heavy fuel loads to South America.

''The FAA leaves us in a position where all we can do is take evasive action. That's the last thing we want to do, to be turning to avoid a building in an emergency,'' said Frank Erickson, a former American Airlines executive now advising the airline on the issue.

``A piece of it is economic, too. If I fly a 777 from Miami to Tokyo or to deep South America, I don't want to be told I can't fill my plane up.''

By extension, they say, payload reductions could hurt MIA's capacity and economic viability.

It's not clear, MIA and American say, what can be done about the airlines' concerns, in particular the one-engine-out issue.

Both the FAA and Miami-Dade County review building proposals to safeguard air traffic. But the rules are designed to apply only to routine, nonemergency flying. That means regulators don't consider whether buildings will impede airlines' ability to meet the one-engine-out rule.

'The airlines' job is to make sure they don't hit anything,'' said Kevin Haggerty, an airspace analysis program manager with the FAA. ``Airlines prefer it straight out and the lowest climb possible. But we don't have the legal right to take action on that.''

The result, the airlines complain: They take a financial hit while developers get the go-ahead to build.

''Everybody has raised that issue,'' AA's Erickson said. ``That's where lies what we see as the inconsistency. We would like to see consistency from the FAA.''

Airlines and pilots also contend that the FAA has allowed developers too much wiggle room even when it does have authority to crack down. The agency has been clearing an increasing number of buildings in Miami that encroach into protected airspace after determining the interference they create is minor.

Just in the past three months, over the objections of airlines, the FAA has approved buildings as tall as 700 feet on Biscayne Boulevard downtown and up to 650 feet in the Omni-Edgewater area that encroach on flight paths.

Some developers dismiss the airlines' concerns as exaggerated.

''The airlines would like to have it completely flat,'' said veteran Miami developer Tibor Hollo, who last fall visited FAA headquarters in Washington with a delegation from the Latin Builders Association to argue that current building limits are too restrictive. ``They just want to be saving fuel. All that is just crying by the airlines.''

PLANS SCALED BACK

The developers have their own complaints. The height restrictions mean that sometimes it's developers doing the weeping when MIA or FAA rules block or force them to downscale projects, even after approvals from the city.

A proposal for Empire World Towers, a 106-story building on Biscayne Boulevard, cannot go ahead without an easing of restrictions, for instance.

Terra Group's 900 Biscayne condo tower, now under construction, had to come down by more than 50 feet, or about five stories, to 650 feet. So did Platinum on the Bay, planned in Edgewater -- from 800 feet to 583.

Most recently, Miami Rivertown, a complex of three towers on the site of the Mahi Shrine, was stalled when the FAA determined that the buildings would be too tall at 390 feet -- the height approved by the city.

The Chicago developer, Dan McAffrey, reluctantly agreed to the FAA's 270-foot limit. The delay has complicated efforts to close on the property and will likely cost millions, he said.

''We're toddling along here patting ourselves in the back, and boom! There are millions of dollars riding on this,'' McAffrey said. ``This could bring a grown man to tears.''

In late 2004, after three towers had to come down in height, city building chief Ferras began questioning the need for the strict regulations in letters to MIA and the FAA.

''Some of the world-renowned developers would like to build very tall mega structures in our city. However, your height restriction regulations are preventing this from occurring,'' Ferras wrote.

That set off a yearlong series of meetings, e-mail and memo exchanges between MIA, FAA, city officials and sometimes developers' lawyers and consultants as the city lobbied for greater heights.

The airlines, led by American, have responded aggressively, though so far to little effect.

American engineers have begun routinely filing objections with the FAA to developers' building proposals -- in particular in the Omni area, which lies below MIA's main cargo routes -- by citing the engine-out rule.

In a memo, MIA officials said continued development, especially in the Omni-Edgewater area, would force ''more aggressive'' and ''difficult'' procedures on planes to avoid the area. Those maneuvers could also increase jet noise, violating noise standards meant to protect neighborhoods, the memo said.

In each case, however, the FAA has rejected the airlines' objections, citing the agency's legal inability to enforce the engine-out rule as regards building heights.

NEW RULES SOUGHT

Now the airlines are pushing the FAA to enact rules that include the effect of buildings on one-engine-out procedures -- which could lead to substantially reduced building limits in Miami.

MIA officials say that seems unlikely to happen. The FAA is reviewing the issue -- which has also been raised by airlines in Boston and Phoenix, where development close to runways may impinge on emergency flight procedures.

Harman said differences of opinion within FAA have stalled a decision. But FAA officials say local officials should be responsible for finding a solution.

''It seems like it's a local government issue, deciding what trade-off they feel comfortable with -- greater height or airport capacity,'' said the FAA's chief of flight standards, John Allen.

At some point, FAA officials warn, Miami may not be able to have both.

''The city of Miami wants this investment and the world's tallest buildings,'' said Haggerty, the height analyst. ``But an aircraft can only climb so far so fast.''

Everyone :grouphug: , this is getting worst by the day, if these planned Tall towers don't get started soon, they'll withdraw their plans :runaway: , and To kill it worst :llama: , its the growing Interest Rates, Darn it at www.interest.com

:booze: :speech: " I'm Mad as Hell !!!, and I won't take it Anymore !!! " :gaah: , lol :old: :jk: :hahaha:

But, anyway :hm: ,

Go Cranes !!! :banana: :cheer: :pepper:

Like STR said, this project really interests me outside Chicago. This is nearly a year since its announcement in May 2005 and nothing has progressed ever since. I am hoping this one becomes a reality soon.

Like STR said, this project really interests me outside Chicago. This is nearly a year since its announcement in May 2005 and nothing has progressed ever since. I am hoping this one becomes a reality soon. :wave:
:dunno:
CHI :hi: and STR :hi: , Its not going to become a 1,200 Foot Reality, its only going to go to the LIMIT of 950 Feet :gaah: , and just like the LYNX tower project, with the proposed FEDS :nocrook: :crazy2: interest rate hike again in MAY :ohno: , both of these projects IMO are doomed :ancient: :banned: :bash: .

I'm sorry to say :lurker: , But I just don"t see these Empire World Towers and the LYNX three tower projects in my dreams of 2012 :hm: .

But, anyway :happy: ,

Go Cranes !!! :banana: :cheer: :pepper:

Just found some new renderings of the project on the Kobi Karp website: :eek2:

http://www.kobikarp.com/images/EWTPhotomontagesite.jpg

http://www.kobikarp.com/images/fotomontaje11site.jpg

http://www.kobikarp.com/images/fotomontaje15site.jpg

Wow! Stunning. It looks lonely but with all the other nearby constructions to be finished by the time this one gets up it'd look really nice. Jeez, it really does shrink down the poor Freedom Tower. :(

I could do without the skybridges though.

Hehe, it makes everything else look so insignificant. This really should be built.

Wow! It's nice to have such a tall proposal, but the design sucks. If built, the skyline will look somewhat uneven. By the way, what's up with the Holiday Inn? It not a landmark.

Beautiful!

Wow, that is amazing. Your not kidding Maxim it looks like its all alone. Too bad there isnt another tall next to it, but hey in time :)
Dave any info on weather they are putting much effort into this?

That's awesome. I hope it gets built. But there are too many skybridges. You anly need one; 2 at the most.

cant wait to be inside the top skybridge, what a view..

Wow, that is amazing. Your not kidding Maxim it looks like its all alone. Too bad there isnt another tall next to it, but hey in time :)
Dave any info on weather they are putting much effort into this?

the 2 everglades buildings will be next door on the South side but they are only in the 500 foot range (half the height of EWT). The land between EWT and the Freedom tower is owned by MDC. The "Wall" doesn't start until the Freedom tower-> north. So for the time being there will be nothing (of any height) next to it on the north side until MDC decides to sell the parking lot area fronting Biscayne.

Beautiful...

the 2 everglades buildings will be next door on the South side but they are only in the 500 foot range (half the height of EWT). The land between EWT and the Freedom tower is owned by MDC. The "Wall" doesn't start until the Freedom tower-> north. So for the time being there will be nothing (of any height) next to it on the north side until MDC decides to sell the parking lot area fronting Biscayne.

Even a 500 footer would look better than the low rises

Everyone :)
I'm still taking the 5th on this project,
I just don't see these two connected towers in my dreams of 2012 :runaway: ,
I'm sorry, but , I know for sure, the Darn F.A.A. :bash: will not let them go any higher than 950 feet,
but anyway, if they ever get this project statrted maybe they can cut it down one connecting level to be around 950 feet, it will still look great, and be the next tallest tower in Florida at 950 feet !!! :cheers:

The developer himself stated that he was confident that he could build at least to 950'. But the way things are going with the FAA, he'll be lucky to get 649'. :bash: