ZAGREB - constructions update VI [Archive]

long foot

May 9th, 2005, 12:02 PM

Špansko growing :)

New pics from www.spansko.net

http://www.spansko.net/informacije/rasprava/viz01.jpg

http://www.spansko.net/pos/galerija/pos_24042005/1-3.jpg
http://www.spansko.net/pos/galerija/pos_24042005/1-3_2.jpg
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http://www.spansko.net/pos/galerija/pos_24042005/2B-1.jpg
http://www.spansko.net/pos/galerija/pos_24042005/2B-1_2.jpg
http://www.spansko.net/pos/galerija/pos_24042005/2B-2.jpg
http://www.spansko.net/pos/galerija/pos_24042005/2B-4.jpg
http://www.spansko.net/pos/galerija/pos_24042005/3-1.jpg
http://www.spansko.net/pos/galerija/pos_24042005/4-1.jpg

bubach_hlubach

May 9th, 2005, 08:24 PM

^^^ Beautiful Spansko! Commies for everybody's taste :D

Seriously, you shoulda went to new Vrbik, there are loads of neat stuff. It's definately a place where i would like to live :)
Last year i was driving through Vrbik and didnt take any single pic of that area :bash:

mic of Orion

May 9th, 2005, 10:18 PM

I whish to insert one of my excel databases, is there any way I could do that or is there a way of inserting database if any sort in to thread?
thanx

bubach_hlubach

May 10th, 2005, 12:34 AM

I whish to insert one of my excel databases, is there any way I could do that or is there a way of inserting database if any sort in to thread?
thanx

You can either upload it to some server and post the link or make screenshots of your database and post them like pictures here :)

SinCity

May 10th, 2005, 01:34 AM

That Špansko is like "Instant Suburbia". It seems like they built this all in record time. Looks quite nice IMO. Didn't they start on this one not even 12 months ago?

Thanks for the pics Long Foot.

mic of Orion

May 10th, 2005, 04:22 AM

thanx bubach, I'll try doping that, if not successful, I want bother with it.

Just found interesting thing on net, Zagreb Sport Hall,

http://www.dom-sportova.hr/slike/ds_zgrada.jpg

What's going on with this project, is anyone doing anything about this at all?
What's the capacity of this hall, it sure looks as if needs major re-investment program, looks very big too... :)

SinCity

May 10th, 2005, 04:40 AM

Just that the square out front will be known by another name. I dont know of any upgrade plans. Maybe LF might know more.

At some point I'll do up a summary of these projects across Zagreb, but I'll add them into categories. We always mention at least once in each thread a summarised update of everything happening. May take me a few days thou .... :D

bambam

May 10th, 2005, 08:08 AM

Zagreb postaje glavno zračno čvorište u regiji
Nova zračna luka gradit će se 2,5 kilometara sjeveroistočno od postojeće, imat će kapacitet oko tri milijuna putnika godišnje
ZAGREB - Zračna luka Zagreb do kraja ove godine definirat će strategiju i model razvoja, te raspisati natječaj za izgradnju nove luke.
»Nakon što se prikupi sva dokumentacija, za očekivati je izgradnju i potpuni završetak luke u sljedećih pet godina«, kaže glavni direktor Luke Boško Matković. Nova luka gradit će se na udaljenosti 2,5 kilometara sjeveroistočno od postojeće na području Vojne baze Pleso. Imat će kapacitet oko tri milijuna putnika godišnje, a napravit će se cjelokupna nova infrastruktura, čime bi se zagrebačka zračna luka prometnula u jugoistočni ulaz u Europu, odnosno regionalni hub, središnje zračno čvorište u regiji. Izgled i funkcionalnost nove zračne luke trebao bi biti vrlo sličan »terminalu 2« münchenske zračne luke te lukama u Beču i Budimpešti, a vrijednost radova na njoj stajat će oko 122 milijuna eura.
Direktor Zračne luke kaže da se u ovaj projekt ušlo u situaciji u kojoj je postojeća lokacija Zračne luke iscrpljena, pa razvoj nije moguć. »Stara zračna luka, koja je sagrađena 1962. godine, zastarjela je i infrastrukturno i na niz drugih načina«, ističe Matković, te dodaje da je do nje moguće doći samo jednom prometnicom koja je ionako preopterećena.
Projekti adaptacije postojeće zgrade već su završeni i bit će realizirani tijekom ove godine. Međutim, Zračna luka ima određene rezerve u redu letenja, ali i u vremenima koja nisu atraktivna velikim prijevoznicima, te se tu nastoje grupirati charter-letovi i niskobudžetni prijevoznici. »Prema prognozama prometa, definitivno se dolazi u situaciju da će postojeća Zračna luka imati ozbiljnih problema s kapacitetima do izgradnje nove zračne luke«, objašnjava Matković. Problemi u razvoju Luke svojedobno su nastali, kaže Matković, i zbog restrikcija koje su uvedene na izdavanje državnih jamstava nakon financijske analize stanja budžetskog deficita koje je uslijedilo nakon promjene vlasti, dodaje Matković. Otvorenom opcijom ostaje i model javno-privatnog partnerstva, kaže Matković, te dodaje da će optimalno rješenje izraditi njemačka konzultantska kuća Roland-Berger.

http://www.vjesnik.hr/html/2005/05/10/Clanak.asp?r=tem&c=5
Moguća je, dakle, potpuna koncesija, zatim granična koncesija na putničku zgradu, koja bi se nakon nekog vremena vratila Zračnoj luci Zagreb, te pronalaženje strateškog partnera, a nudi se i mogućnost financijskih ulaganja različitih fondova, kaže Matković.
U namjeri da zagrebačka zračna luka postane središnje zračno čvorište u regiji, mora se, kaže Matković, biti svjestan vlastitih limita, jer sve zračne luke glavnih gradova susjednih zemalja razmišljaju o sličnim konceptima, a naročito Beograd, koji je već počeo obnovu. Međutim, Matković tvrdi kako je na primjeru Beograda vidljivo da sama izgradnja nisu jamstvo uspjeha ako nisu stabilni ekonomski i politički preduvjeti. Prednost Hrvatske u odnosu na Srbiju bolja je umreženost zračnih luka, pa je, uz zagrebačku, aktualna i dubrovačka, splitska, zadarska, pulska i riječka zračna luka, dok Srbija ima samo jednu, beogradsku, kao i susjedne zemlje koje su potencijalni hubovi.

long foot

May 10th, 2005, 08:25 AM

wow, thanks for the info, bambam :)

Pity they didn't say anything about connection with the city, is it gonna be tram or light rail.

SinCity

May 10th, 2005, 08:56 AM

Great article. Thanks Bambam! :)

SinCity

May 10th, 2005, 08:57 AM

wow, thanks for the info, bambam :)

Pity they didn't say anything about connection with the city, is it gonna be tram or light rail.

I reckon it would have to be Light Rail. Its too far for trams and it requires something with a bit more speed than an average 70 kph. What do you think Long Foot?

long foot

May 10th, 2005, 10:58 AM

long foot

May 10th, 2005, 11:04 AM

I reckon it would have to be Light Rail. Its too far for trams and it requires something with a bit more speed than an average 70 kph. What do you think Long Foot?

Traffic study is great source of informations:

- nova tramvajska linija 10 između Kvaternikovog trga i Petruševca preko Heinzelove i Radničke (Program J);

The whole traffic study:
http://www.zagreb.hr/DOKUMENT.nsf/VPD/09A8300639DEDD0EC1256A0D0051F0F5?OpenDocument&12

SinCity

May 11th, 2005, 02:42 AM

Thanks Long Foot :)

long foot

May 11th, 2005, 11:58 AM

Construction of new Jankomirski bridge started yesterday :)

(Izbori su sve bliže!)

Article from official site of Zagreb city council:

Počinje izgradnja Jankomirskog mosta

Simboličnim rezanjem vrpce na nasipu uz postojeći Jankomirski most, gradonačelnica Vlasta Pavić, u društvu sa zamjenicima Milanom Bandićem i Stipom Tojčićem, označila je početak gradnje novoga mosta koji će izgledom biti identičan postojećem, Savu bi trebao premostiti do kraja kolovoza sljedeće godine.
Nakon javnog natječaja, za izvođača je izabrana tvrtka Viadukt, a most, vrijedan oko 88 milijuna kuna bit će položen paralelno s postojećim mostom. Njegova će širina iznositi 11,5 metara, a, s obzirom na širinu korita Save i nasipa, bit će dug 330 metara.

Kroz novi most prolazit će magistralni vodoopskrbni cjevovod i električni kablovi.

http://www.zagreb.hr/Dokument.nsf/8e04733c677c2392c1256992002dacf1/857573e0a37fee26c1256ff50048ad9a?OpenDocument

long foot

May 11th, 2005, 12:05 PM

long foot, i thought you had to study for your exam.........;)
Well, Vrbik is quite far from Vjesnik....so maybe in a year or two, okay ? I can wait.... :D

Čisto da znaš da sam položio taj ispit (i to petaka dobio), a Vrbik, hmmm, mogao bih skoknuti tamo sljedećeg vikenda, ali jao, Vrbik je velik, pa reci što konkretno želiš s Vrbika?

bubach_hlubach

May 11th, 2005, 07:17 PM

Čisto da znaš da sam položio taj ispit (i to petaka dobio), a Vrbik, hmmm, mogao bih skoknuti tamo sljedećeg vikenda, ali jao, Vrbik je velik, pa reci što konkretno želiš s Vrbika?

hehe, cestitam na prolazu...i jos petaka dobil velis...super...ajde sad si se bar tjelesnog rijesio ;) :D

Gle, kaj se Vrbika tice i mojeg cviljenja, ne moras to uopce prihvatiti kao nekakvu obavezu. Meni je ustvari zao kaj sam propustio par prilika uslikati nekolicinu zgrada koje su mi se jako svidjele i sad gnjavim ljude ovdje da to ucine za mene, jako djetinjasto od mene, a kaj ces :D :booze:

Vec ako se nadjes u predjelu Vrbika, tamo je par redova jako lijepih modernih stambenih zgrada i to se nalazi prema autoputu - znaci sjeverna strana naselja :)

long foot

May 11th, 2005, 07:22 PM

hehe, cestitam na prolazu...i jos petaka dobil velis...super...ajde sad si se bar tjelesnog rijesio ;) :D

Gle, kaj se Vrbika tice i mojeg cviljenja, ne moras to uopce prihvatiti kao nekakvu obavezu. Meni je ustvari zao kaj sam propustio par prilika uslikati nekolicinu zgrada koje su mi se jako svidjele i sad gnjavim ljude ovdje da to ucine za mene, jako djetinjasto od mene, a kaj ces :D :booze:

Vec ako se nadjes u predjelu Vrbika, tamo je par redova jako lijepih modernih stambenih zgrada i to se nalazi prema autoputu - znaci sjeverna strana naselja :)

Tjelesni veliš? ha ha... :D
zapravo "Povijest hrvatske kulture"... al ajd, tjelesni...

Znam na koje zgrade misliš, to je blizu Filozofskog faksa, cijeli mali kvart novih zgrada, sve lijepo uređeno, novo... ok, kad budem prolazio, možda ovaj vikend ili neki drugi ili kad se vratim iz vojske :D

bubach_hlubach

May 11th, 2005, 08:01 PM

Povijest rvacke kulture, ka'es, ha? Ma nemoj ;)
A jel' se taj tvoj faks poceo priznavati napokon ? Jer ako se dobro sjecam bilo je problema sa Hrvatskim Studijima.

Moze i poslije vojske, ako budes prolaziJo (-> :D) pored Vrbika sjeti se starog druga i njegovog nedosanjanog sna ;)
:)

long foot

May 11th, 2005, 08:24 PM

Povijest rvacke kulture, ka'es, ha? Ma nemoj ;)
A jel' se taj tvoj faks poceo priznavati napokon ? Jer ako se dobro sjecam bilo je problema sa Hrvatskim Studijima.

Moj faks je priznat u Hrvatskoj otprilike onoliko koliko je Hrvatska priznata u svijetu – tj. samo formalno, zapravo nas stalno jebu u mozak :D

bubach_hlubach

May 11th, 2005, 08:34 PM

^^^ Ali moras priznati da nas nitko ne moze tako fino sjebati kak mi mozemo sami sebe, u tome smo velemajstori :D

Ajde necemo vise tu raditi parodiju od grada i drzave, kad pogledas globalno, preko 100 drzava na ovoj planeti je u 100 put vecem klincu nego mi i dali bi sve da imaju barem H od Hrvatske...a opet jebiga, nismo Svedska ili Norveska, a niti Italija ili Austrija kojima toliko tezimo, no svejedno samo hrabro naprijed :) :okay:

long foot

May 11th, 2005, 08:36 PM

Da to bolje formuliramo: reklo bi se da smo "srednja žalost" :D

bubach_hlubach

May 11th, 2005, 08:49 PM

Ma kakva srednja zalost, jad i bjeda covjece! Azerbedjan je Svicarska za nas ;)

Endimion17

May 11th, 2005, 10:52 PM

pa nemojte tako, pa nije ni tako loše. ima puno gorih od nas. bar nemamo prirodnih katastrofa, osim nase glupave vlade... :bash:

bubach_hlubach

May 11th, 2005, 11:11 PM

Evo skoro ce ponoc, tako se i vrijeme politiziranja blizi kraju - birtija se zatvara. Ehhh ne veli se uzalud 2 Hrvata - 3 stranke :D

p.s. Ajmo pliz izbjegavati politicke i ine rasprave ovdje, za tu svrhu imamo nase legalno izabrane predstavnike - tj. one konje na Markovom trgu.

...nadam se da je ovaj moj post ujedno i zadnji ovakve naravi. Takodjer i ostalima zahvaljujem na dosljednosti mojeg primjera :)

mic of Orion

May 12th, 2005, 04:18 PM

pa nemojte tako, pa nije ni tako loše. ima puno gorih od nas. bar nemamo prirodnih katastrofa, osim nase glupave vlade... :bash:

lol, as f this is not an natural catastrophe, lol

I hear you all, no politics, just had to laugh at this, lol

just to inform you guys I have created new thread you all can come and ce, also comment, plz, do not post pictures as there will be loads of photos in the thread primarily put in by me, I'll editorially look for best pcs and put them as I think is best suited (sorry for my autocratic demands) I would need suggestions and photos to, but do not post them in the thread pm and tell me where I can get them and I'll be glad to put them in.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=4109042#post4109042

spread the word

thanx...

mic of Orion

May 13th, 2005, 12:45 AM

SinCity

May 13th, 2005, 01:34 AM

Guys I'll need places to eat out in Zagreb, restaurants and café. Photos of Shopping areas in Zagreb say Kings Cross, and anything else you might fins interesting. I'll need same info for most cities in Croatia rest I'll find for my self. thanx guys...

I'm not too sure on restaurants and I'll see what I can find on the shopping centres. Its not easy to find photos on them ...

long foot

May 13th, 2005, 10:54 AM

Guys I'll need places to eat out in Zagreb, restaurants and café. Photos of Shopping areas in Zagreb say Kings Cross, and anything else you might fins interesting. I'll need same info for most cities in Croatia rest I'll find for my self. thanx guys...

Try this site (lifestyle, restaurants)

http://www.zagreb-touristinfo.hr

long foot

May 13th, 2005, 11:29 AM

New student dormitory to be built in Dubrava district :cheers:

Doniranjem zemljišta MUP omogućio, nakon punih 18 godina, gradnju novog zagrebačkog studentskog doma sa 660 soba

Nakon punih 18 godina u Zagrebu će se izgraditi novi studentski dom sa 660 soba! Dom će se nalaziti na prostoru od 14. 000 četvornih metara, koji je Policijska akademija ustupila Ministarstvu znanost, a jučer je potpisanm ugovor o donaciji zemljišta. Investicija je vrijedna oko 160 milijuna kuna.

Pravo na smještaj
Nakon dobivanja svih potrebnih dozvola, gradnja doma trebala bi biti dovršena tijekom godine dana. Pomanjkanje mjesta u domovima već godinama muči studente. U Hrvatskoj, naime, studira čak 148.428 osoba, a ukupno u domovima u u Zagrebu, Osijeku, Splitu, Zadru i Rijeci ima mizernih 9619 mjesta. Sveučilište u Dubrovniku, na kojemu je 3000 studenata, uopće nema studentski dom!

Samo u Zagrebu za mjesto u domu svake se godine prijavi i do 15 tisuća studenata, od kojih to pravo ostvari njih tek 7310. Studenti su zbog toga prisiljeni tražiti iznimno skup podstanarski smještaj. Prvi studenstki domovi u Zagrebu počeli su se graditi 1960. godine, a jedina veća investicija nakon toga bila je gradnja doma Cvjetno naselje i dva nova paviljona u domu Stjepan Radić, i to samo zbog Univerzijade.

Prošle godine završilo je potpuno preuređenje SD-a "Ante Starčević". Iako studenti pozdravljaju odluku o gradnji prijeko potrebnog novog doma, predstavnici nekih udruga skeptični su u vezi s tim ostvarenjem.

Priča o gradnji novog doma traje već godinama i dosad je svaki put propala. Inicijativa je hvalevrijedna jer je pod hitno potrebno povećati kapacitete, no mislim kako je ovo samo još jedan predizborni trik kazao je Daniel Mondekar, predsjednik Socijaldemokratske studentske udruge i dodao kako ministar Primorac dosad nije učinio apsolutno ništa za studente.

Slovenski model
Predsjednik zagrebačkog Studentskog zbora Petar Bezjak napomenuo je pak da susjedna Ljubljana ima četiri puta manje studenata od Sveučilišta u Zagrebu, a čak dvostruko više domskih mjesta.

Ministar Primorac jučer je najavio da će od sljedeće godine sva hrvatska sveučilišta autonomno raspolagati sa financijama, što otvara mogućnost poskupljenja smještaja.

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/regions/zagreb/286615/index.do

Endimion17

May 14th, 2005, 07:40 PM

I told you I was going to render Vjesnik, so this is the current approximation:
http://image-hosting.us/copper/albums/userpics/10103/vjesnik_unfinished.jpg

I don't have enough information to finish it. I have been at Vjesnik parking lot (behind the tower), but it was long time ago, so I don't remember whether the tower's base is north-south symmetric. And I don't know the exact appearance of its lower building...

The vertical red line should be the tower's southern border. Please post comments, I'd like to make it as much as more accurate, as I did with Eurotower and Zagrepčanka...

ps: I'm creating Cibona in meanwhile, but I have no idea the exact appearance from southwest... I mean, I've seen it, but 95% of my viewings were from Savska Cesta.
Are there anywhere any blueprints of Zagreb skyscrapers?

long foot

May 15th, 2005, 04:33 PM

just to let you know, guys, this is official site of Grand center project, you can find all info and construction pics here

http://www.grandcenter.eu.com/

SinCity

May 16th, 2005, 02:56 AM

mic of Orion

May 16th, 2005, 04:07 AM

SinCity

May 16th, 2005, 05:13 AM

Just saw trailer for Star Wars Revenge of the Sith, already booked my ticket on next Thursday for the movie, wow, looking forward to the movie, sorry to go off topic, I am fan of star wars... Love all sci-fi stuff, but Star Wars is toping my list... :)

Then you'd know they filmed a big part of it here in Sydney Australia ... in FOX Studios. :) Just like the previous parts. Cool, I'm not usually into Science Fiction, but I do love Star Wars.

bubach_hlubach

May 16th, 2005, 06:09 AM

Just saw trailer for Star Wars Revenge of the Sith, already booked my ticket on next Thursday for the movie, wow, looking forward to the movie, sorry to go off topic, I am fan of star wars... Love all sci-fi stuff, but Star Wars is toping my list... :)

Hehe, we should open a forum for teens where we could freely exchange posters of our idols :D

SinCity

May 16th, 2005, 08:44 AM

just to let you know, guys, this is official site of Grand center project, you can find all info and construction pics here

http://www.grandcenter.eu.com/

Thanks Long Foot! I'm not having much luck opening it ... :(

long foot

May 16th, 2005, 08:46 AM

Thanks Long Foot! I'm not having much luck opening it ... :(

Try later, I can open it.

long foot

May 16th, 2005, 09:20 AM

Bubach, you should know that your favourite polititian won elections in Zagreb yesterday. He got 40% and is probably our new mayor. Now you can be proud on your avatar :D

mic of Orion

May 16th, 2005, 04:52 PM

well thanx guys, I like to know I am not the only one, lol., I am Treki and star wars fan, have been since I was 10, and proud to be, I am not nerd or freak cose of it, I don't go to conventions and stuff, I do have posters and even toys, but I got them when I was kid and will sell them on eBay one of this days, they are hot property now, one 1977 star wars figurine toy of say Han Solo would easily fetch 500 bucks, and I have like 50 such figurines all from 1977 and 1981, 1983. I was only year old when I got my first star wars toys, my mom bought them cose she loved star wars and thought I'd want to play with it when I grow up a bit, I am glad we kept them cose now they can easily be sold for little fortune.

anyways enough of star wars - lets talk what's new in Zagreb, great to heard Bandic won, I thought he would win, he was most plausible and coalition with HNS and LS would secure his position in Zagreb council.

I don't like HDZ or HSP, they are all p**s, and cant stand there right-wing agenda, I cant understand why would someone vote HSP in first place, not like you have million immigrants wanting to live in Croatia and social tensions as a result of it, what is HSP all about?
perhaps pro-corruption, no-education and no-health services, or death to all none ignorant and intelligent Croats.

If I had any influence I would ban HSP and put its leaders in prison for citing racial hatred, or even better have them all BBQ whilst playing Serbian turbo folk in sound proofed chamber... I am not crazy to listen that awful music, it is torture in its own, lol.... Those that vote for HSP have no IQ to speak of if they did they would have voted for some one else. No disrespect to anyone but I really can't stand ppl like HDZ and HSP, I guess it is obvious... lol

Sorry going political and all that... back to normal theme, lol :) :) :)

bubach_hlubach

May 16th, 2005, 07:40 PM

just to let you know, guys, this is official site of Grand center project, you can find all info and construction pics here

http://www.grandcenter.eu.com/

It didnt work for me either....must be that domain name is cursed or smth ( EU.COM) :D

bubach_hlubach

May 16th, 2005, 07:50 PM

I don't like HDZ or HSP, they are all p**s, and cant stand there right-wing agenda, I cant understand why would someone vote HSP in first place, not like you have million immigrants wanting to live in Croatia and social tensions as a result of it, what is HSP all about?
perhaps pro-corruption, no-education and no-health services, or death to all none ignorant and intelligent Croats.

If I had any influence I would ban HSP and put its leaders in prison for citing racial hatred, or even better have them all BBQ whilst playing Serbian turbo folk in sound proofed chamber... I am not crazy to listen that awful music, it is torture in its own, lol.... Those that vote for HSP have no IQ to speak of if they did they would have voted for some one else. No disrespect to anyone but I really can't stand ppl like HDZ and HSP, I guess it is obvious... lol

Sorry going political and all that... back to normal theme, lol :) :) :)

Mike, speaking of tolerance and democracy, you have really surprised me now :D
Not that i am one of HSP or HDZ supporters (in some political segments i am -but in general i am not), but hey...can't tell me that Ferencak or Cacic are best things for humanity either ;)

bubach_hlubach

May 16th, 2005, 08:13 PM

Bubach, you should know that your favourite polititian won elections in Zagreb yesterday. He got 40% and is probably our new mayor. Now you can be proud on your avatar :D

Hehe, I knew he was gonna win. So this time, maybe he will really start to behave and get fully counscious of his responsebilities related to his job and stop acting like a freelancer :D
I have always been proud of my avatar, there is a reason for it, right? ;)
:cheers:

bubach_hlubach

May 16th, 2005, 08:44 PM

Where is Zagreb ? :

http://img215.echo.cx/img215/1048/zg20gora5dd.jpg

Ohh here it is :) :

http://img215.echo.cx/img215/8402/panorama20zagreba8hj.jpg

http://img215.echo.cx/img215/8430/pogled20s20balkona7uu.jpg

http://img215.echo.cx/img215/3591/pogled20na20parkiraliste8xe.jpg

http://img215.echo.cx/img215/3262/panbig4zv.jpg

3tmk

May 16th, 2005, 08:51 PM

Great panos!
Any listed as a future banner?

bubach_hlubach

May 16th, 2005, 09:07 PM

^ Thanks :)
But i wouldnt use them as banners, they dont represent 'real Zagreb', these are just construction zones which are located at the margin of the city :)

3tmk

May 16th, 2005, 09:23 PM

well I've seen worse banners ;)
And I think Dubrovnik was on the banner not long ago anyway.
btw, the TV tower you see on the hill on the first pic, is it the same as the one on the last photo?

bubach_hlubach

May 17th, 2005, 12:23 AM

Hehe, then the ones from above could be definately the worst ones you have ever seen :D

...yes, that is the same TV tower on the Sljeme mountain :)

SinCity

May 17th, 2005, 08:15 AM

Man, that Grand Centre site is a pain in the arse. It keeps causing my browser to crash ..... must be cursed as Bubach said earlier :D

Pics from its website .....

http://www.kmconcept.com/grandcenter/pics/towerv1.jpg

http://www.kmconcept.com/grandcenter/pics/intersection_1000.gif

http://www.kmconcept.com/grandcenter/pics/workprogress/g3.2.05_1.jpg

http://www.kmconcept.com/grandcenter/pics/workprogress/g9.3.05_2.jpg

http://www.kmconcept.com/grandcenter/pics/workprogress/g17.4.05_2.jpg

long foot

May 17th, 2005, 10:29 AM

What the hell is wrong with http://www.grandcenter.eu.com ?
I can open it all the time...

But I see you have found the other way to informations :D

bambam

May 17th, 2005, 10:44 AM

Mora da ti nije IE u redu.. kod mene ide bez problema
It must be a problem with your IE

long foot

May 17th, 2005, 11:24 AM

Some more pics:

Ground floor
http://www.kmconcept.com/grandcenter/pics/groundfl_600.gif

1. floor:
http://www.kmconcept.com/grandcenter/pics/firstfl_600.gif

2-8 floor
http://www.kmconcept.com/grandcenter/pics/anotherfl_600.gif

from the air:
http://www.kmconcept.com/grandcenter/pics/luftbild.jpg

long foot

May 17th, 2005, 03:17 PM

Bubach, is this area around west station or what? i'm not familiar with this panorama...

http://img215.echo.cx/img215/8402/panorama20zagreba8hj.jpg

SinCity

May 18th, 2005, 08:55 AM

Time to wake this thread up a bit .... :D

Anyways, here is an assortment of recently completed projects by VMD Promet which specialise in commercial and residential building construction. They have recently finished amongst many other things a new 9 level office building which Long Foot really likes ....... ;)

Ogrizovićeva 28 - Residential

http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/111/big/big_ogrizoviceva-28_03.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/111/big/big_ogrizoviceva-28_09.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/111/big/big_ogrizoviceva-28_01.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/111/big/big_ogrizoviceva-28_07.jpg

Brozova 16 - Residential

http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/110/big/big_brozova-16_02.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/110/big/big_brozova-16_01.jpg

Kosirnikova 64 - Residential

http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/97/big/big_kosirnikova-64_10.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/97/big/big_kosirnikova-64_03.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/97/big/big_kosirnikova-64_07.jpg

Gornje Prekrižje 46e i 46f - Residential

http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/112/big/big_gornje-prekrizje-46_01.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/112/big/big_gornje-prekrizje-46_05.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/112/big/big_gornje-prekrizje-46_02.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/112/big/big_gornje-prekrizje-46_06.jpg

Garićgradska 7, 9, 11, 13 i 13/1 - Residential

http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/116/big/big_00garicgradska.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/116/big/big_01garicgradska_7.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/116/big/big_02garicgradska_9.jpg

Iločka 9 - Residential

http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/117/big/big_ilocka-9_02.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/117/big/big_ilocka-9_01.jpg

Gornje Prekrižje 51b - Residential

http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/118/big/big_gornje-prekrizje-51b_01.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/118/big/big_gornje-prekrizje-51b_02.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/118/big/big_gornje-prekrizje-51b_03.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/118/big/big_gornje-prekrizje-51b_04.jpg

Vukovarska-Andrašecova (T-Mobile) - Office Building

http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/119/big/big_vukovarska-andrasecova_01.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/119/big/big_vukovarska-andrasecova_02.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/119/big/big_vukovarska-andrasecova_05.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/119/big/big_vukovarska-andrasecova_06.jpg

Budmanijeva 1 - Office Building

http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/120/big/big_budmanijeva-1_07.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/120/big/big_budmanijeva-1_01.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/120/big/big_budmanijeva-1_12.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/120/big/big_budmanijeva-1_03.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/120/big/big_budmanijeva-1_13.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/120/big/big_budmanijeva-1_05.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/120/big/big_budmanijeva-1_11.jpg

Poslovni centar VMD - Office Building (LF's favourite :) )

http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/96/big/big_poslovni_centar_VMD_02.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/96/big/big_poslovni_centar_VMD_01.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/96/big/big_poslovni_centar_VMD_05.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/96/big/big_poslovni_centar_VMD_07.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/96/big/big_poslovni_centar_VMD_06.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/96/big/big_poslovni_centar_VMD_11.jpg

bubach_hlubach

May 18th, 2005, 10:12 PM

Bubach, is this area around west station or what? i'm not familiar with this panorama...

http://img215.echo.cx/img215/8402/panorama20zagreba8hj.jpg

quite confusing, ain't it ? ;)

I think it is past 'Zapadni kolodvor', and on the left side there are Franck's facilities :)

Endimion17

May 19th, 2005, 03:17 AM

http://www.monel.hr/povjest/Neboderi.html

dakle, sad znam da se Rakete zovu Richterovi neboderi. :)
Pa... ovo zadnje zvuči modernije.

SinCity

May 19th, 2005, 06:24 AM

http://www.monel.hr/povjest/Neboderi.html

dakle, sad znam da se Rakete zovu Richterovi neboderi. :)
Pa... ovo zadnje zvuči modernije.

Cool article. There's mention of some buildings "neboderi" which I'm not familiar with, but I gather they are residential highrises.

I actually prefer "Richterovi Neboderi" or "Richter's Skyscrapers" over their common nickname for "The Rockets" cluster of towers in Zagreb. :)

SinCity

May 19th, 2005, 06:37 AM

Small pics, but then again Tehnika dd need a better webpage IMO ....

BREZJE - Multi building residential

http://www.tehnika.hr/vSTANDARD/Stanovi/NOVO/JIMAGES/9_Brezje.jpg

http://www.tehnika.hr/vSTANDARD/Stanovi/NOVO/JIMAGES/49_BrezjeC.jpg

GAJNICE - Multi building residential

http://www.tehnika.hr/vSTANDARD/Stanovi/NOVO/JIMAGES/117_g1.jpg

http://www.tehnika.hr/vSTANDARD/Stanovi/NOVO/JIMAGES/130_g3.jpg

http://www.tehnika.hr/vSTANDARD/Stanovi/NOVO/JIMAGES/133_parkiralisna.jpg

HORVAĆANSKA - SELSKA - Multi building residential

http://www.tehnika.hr/vSTANDARD/Stanovi/NOVO/JIMAGES/111_H1.jpg

http://www.tehnika.hr/vSTANDARD/Stanovi/NOVO/JIMAGES/112_H2.jpg

http://www.tehnika.hr/vSTANDARD/Stanovi/NOVO/JIMAGES/113_H3.jpg

bubach_hlubach

May 19th, 2005, 06:50 AM

Sincity, I know that hardly anybody likes these 'Rockets' including me too, but when you take a better look at them, they have a great potentional to be turned into great looking buildings, I dont think it's gonna ever happen though or not any time soon. I am just being inspired by some great work that was done on a hotel building in Osijek. :)

You would probably never say that this is the same building, great transformation :) :

before :
http://img126.echo.cx/img126/9600/osijekhotelosijek32ib.jpg

after :
http://img126.echo.cx/img126/4338/hoteli010cj.jpg

SinCity

May 19th, 2005, 07:00 AM

I've seen Richter's (Rakete) cluster up front and I admit the design is unusual but interesting. It just needs a spruce up, give it a uniform look.

I know ZCC put efforts into facade rejuvenation in the Habsburg districts, do you know if they also apply the same priciple to more recent residential complexes like the Rakete. Do they encourage the upkeep of these kind of buildings or are they left to fall by the wayside?

BTW - I like the revamped Hotel Osijek shown above. :yes: Its previous "Brutalist" appearance was somewhat more than ugly. :D

long foot

May 19th, 2005, 11:43 AM

^^^Since you posted pics of VMD, let me add more:

http://img271.echo.cx/img271/3060/p11700837hm.jpg
http://img262.echo.cx/img262/443/p11700861an.jpg

Underground garage:
http://img285.echo.cx/img285/1581/p11700843eb.jpg

http://img267.echo.cx/img267/8053/p11700767iq.jpg
http://img288.echo.cx/img288/6811/p11700770xz.jpg
http://img282.echo.cx/img282/3960/p11700787jr.jpg
http://img275.echo.cx/img275/761/p11700808oo.jpg
http://img272.echo.cx/img272/8741/p11700815qa.jpg

long foot and his shitty camera:
http://img277.echo.cx/img277/1111/p11700794yw.jpg
http://img268.echo.cx/img268/7623/p11700825ea.jpg

centarproject, new pics:
http://img276.echo.cx/img276/3767/p11700882sx.jpg
http://img288.echo.cx/img288/3346/p11700896yb.jpg
http://img282.echo.cx/img282/39/p11700909fi.jpg
http://img279.echo.cx/img279/6271/p11700914kk.jpg
http://img275.echo.cx/img275/9259/p11700927bu.jpg
http://img273.echo.cx/img273/949/p11700942jk.jpg

grand center:
http://img269.echo.cx/img269/2885/p11700976qf.jpg
http://img266.echo.cx/img266/826/p11700980hw.jpg
http://img290.echo.cx/img290/9466/p11700994tc.jpg

AstroBoy

May 19th, 2005, 02:42 PM

BREAKING NEWS - Long Foot the mystery man is finally revealed !!!!!! :D

http://img277.echo.cx/img277/1111/p11700794yw.jpg

Well done Long Foot on the great pictures as always!

I noticed that we now have a "Mr Chen's Chinese Restaurant" located in the new VMD building. I love that mirrored passageway through the building's centre.

long foot

May 19th, 2005, 03:54 PM

BREAKING NEWS - Long Foot the mystery man is finally revealed !!!!!! :D

Mystery? Yeah, right :D

AstroBoy

May 19th, 2005, 03:57 PM

Mystery? Yeah, right :D

You know I'm just kidding ;)

Are there any other shops and retail in that part of VMD Long Foot?

long foot

May 19th, 2005, 04:08 PM

You know I'm just kidding ;)

Are there any other shops and retail in that part of VMD Long Foot?

Nothing yet. That Mr Chan restaureant is not open either.

bubach_hlubach

May 19th, 2005, 08:28 PM

http://img277.echo.cx/img277/1111/p11700794yw.jpg

Long foot, is that really you? I first thought it was some weird housekeeper :D hehe :jk: ......wait until i post my pic here, then we might want to organize a freak contest :D lol

btw, great pics of VMD and Centarprojekt, both are incredibly nice looking, i especialy like that VMD interiror - passage :)

long foot

May 19th, 2005, 09:04 PM

Yes, it is me. I didn't know I am weird :weird:
Ok, now we want to see your picture, then Sincity's and Mike's. I am sure it is gonna be nice freak contest :D

lindenthaler

May 19th, 2005, 09:11 PM

omg lf, you looks like a men holding shining crystall ball in your hand, magical powers :eek:

bubach_hlubach

May 19th, 2005, 09:12 PM

LF, you didnt know you were weird? Does it mean then that i am some weirdo? :D...I dont think so...I just think once our pics are posted, i will be the winner :D

long foot

May 19th, 2005, 09:20 PM

omg lf, you looks like a men holding shining crystall ball in your hand, magical powers :eek:

Yeah, my Bosnian grandma teached me some little tricks, like this with shining ball, but it is nothing special ;)

long foot

May 19th, 2005, 09:22 PM

LF, you didnt know you were weird? Does it mean then that i am some weirdo? :D...I dont think so...I just think once our pics are posted, i will be the winner :D

Let us see - we will judge ;)

mic of Orion

May 19th, 2005, 09:37 PM

lol, guys, I never took pics of my self (I have some somewhere) perhaps my last new year party pics, lol, I'll have to look for it cose this is new PC I currently use and old one is no more, although I kept HD somewhere.

I'll need to reformat this one soon cose it want upld. my pics from Fuji camera I got, I know what the problem is, only way to sort it I'll need to reformat my HD and start everything from a scratch, took some pics of me with few UK celebrities, and is somewhere on one of the memory cards. Yes you guessed I got about 10-15 Memory Cards all btw 32megs to 256megs, lol.

I'll need to upload all this pics cose I couldn't do it until I reformat my HD, but as I have like 200 gigs of stuff to back up I am not in a hurry... :)

For anybody wondering my PC stats are AMD Athlon64 3200 64bit system, 1gig of DDR RAM, 250 gigs HD, ATI Radeon 9800 PRO - 256mb DDR GC, and 550Watts Power Supply with heat sink. It is gamers computer built for graphics and game play primarily but I also do loads of work on it, for my media work presentation ands done some cool Maya graphics, started to use Director 8, it is quite weird and cool at the same time. Everybody at work thinks I got designer background, cose of all this software, lol.

All from me for now... :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :)

PS. started rendering some of my ideas for few Towers, will try to post them here, but it might take a while... I am using Autocad, which is quite simple program but I am still not familiar with everything so it might take a while. :

edit ----- guys you are in luck just found pic of me - was taken by one of my m8's when I was razing money for Greenpeace (voluntary work) pic was taken last year in June I think (Saturday morning)...

http://img207.echo.cx/img207/1361/volunteeringandrazingmoneyforg.jpg
I am one with black tee-shirt, other guys are Mark and Jamie... all working for Greenpeace as volunteers.

I guess I might look like vierdo, lol. add this Star trek and Star wars fan, lol, and you get the geek that is me... :) :)

bubach_hlubach

May 19th, 2005, 10:02 PM

I found one 'artistic' pic of myself, doesnt look exactly like me though, will take some normal one soon :)

http://img266.echo.cx/img266/3373/bubach8ru.jpg

p.s. Am I winning so far ? :D

Endimion17

May 20th, 2005, 12:03 AM

mwahahahaha, I might be right behind you at this moment :evil:

http://image-hosting.us/copper/albums/userpics/10103/floor%20%284%29.jpg

more revealing pics coming soon... :banana2:

3tmk

May 20th, 2005, 12:08 AM

:lol:
What a weird construction update :P

SinCity

May 20th, 2005, 02:08 AM

Yes, it is me. I didn't know I am weird :weird:
Ok, now we want to see your picture, then Sincity's and Mike's. I am sure it is gonna be nice freak contest :D

What have you done Long Foot? ..... LOL :D

Look at what you have started ..... now everyone is offering their photos. ;)

So people are curious as to what I look like???? .......

I'll think about it. For now if anyone is keen all I can recommend are some dubious video tittles that I feature in ...... ;)

SinCity

May 20th, 2005, 02:16 AM

edit ----- guys you are in luck just found pic of me - was taken by one of my m8's when I was razing money for Greenpeace (voluntary work) pic was taken last year in June I think (Saturday morning)...

http://img207.echo.cx/img207/1361/volunteeringandrazingmoneyforg.jpg
I am one with black tee-shirt, other guys are Mark and Jamie... all working for Greenpeace as volunteers.

I guess I might look like vierdo, lol. add this Star trek and Star wars fan, lol, and you get the geek that is me... :) :)

I actually thought Mick you were the guy in the middle with the grey shirt because he looks "Slavic" to some extent, but anyway most Croats dont look that Slavic. You look "Spanish" BTW in your pic. ;)

mic of Orion

May 20th, 2005, 02:17 AM

What have you done Long Foot? ..... LOL :D

Look at what you have started ..... now everyone is offering their photos. ;)

So people are curious as to what I look like???? .......

I'll think about it. For now if anyone is keen all I can recommend are some dubious video tittles that I feature in ...... ;)

lol, :hilarious :hilarious

SinCity

May 20th, 2005, 02:18 AM

mwahahahaha, I might be right behind you at this moment :evil:

http://image-hosting.us/copper/albums/userpics/10103/floor%20%284%29.jpg

more revealing pics coming soon... :banana2:

LOL. Your photo looks hilarious ... :D

mic of Orion

May 20th, 2005, 02:26 AM

I actually thought Mick you were the guy in the middle with the grey shirt because he looks "Slavic" to some extent, but anyway most Croats dont look that Slavic. You look "Spanish" BTW in your pic. ;)

My father was Italian, well Anglo-Italian his family moved from Italy way back in 1938, I am 1/4 Italian, 1/4 Croatian, half English, lol. PS my father was Jewish this is why he left Italy (well parts of his family) most of my relatives in Italy have been killed in concentration camps and only surviving ones are here in UK and US.

I am not Jewish as such, (have Jewish father that is all) my mom is catholic and I was raised catholic, but now I am none believer (agnostic), at one point when O was at Uni I was Buddhist, for short time though... lol, :) :cheers:

SinCity

May 20th, 2005, 02:51 AM

My father was Italian, well Anglo-Italian his family moved from Italy way back in 1938, I am 1/4 Italian, 1/4 Croatian, half English, lol. PS my father was Jewish this is why he left Italy (well parts of his family) most of my relatives in Italy have been killed in concentration camps and only surviving ones are here in UK and US.

I am not Jewish as such, (have Jewish father that is all) my mom is catholic and I was raised catholic, but now I am none believer (agnostic), at one point when O was at Uni I was Buddhist, for short time though... lol, :) :cheers:

Interesting background you have Mick. :) You have a wealth of various cultures behind you which is great. Most Croats in essence have some of sort of mix as a result of the Habsburg empire and others which brought in a large influx of various non-Croat groups which over centuries fused with the local Croats. We're all Croats, but we are kaleidoscope of different peoples, cultures and influences fused into one.

One thing I love is surnames. I like learning the origins of surnames and Croatia is fascinating because of the huge mixture of all types like German, Jewish, Italian, Hungarian, Slovak, Czeck, Polish, Turkish etc. My own surname is non-Croat and I'm still trying to figure out its origin LOL.

What part of Croatia is your mum from?

bubach_hlubach

May 20th, 2005, 03:14 AM

:lol:
What a weird construction update :P

Yeah, just like a salad with 10 different sorts of dressing, no forks - we use our hands and feet :D
If we get our own forum, we might get more disciplined ;) ;) ;)

mic of Orion

May 20th, 2005, 03:18 AM

Interesting background you have Mick. :) You have a wealth of various cultures behind you which is great. Most Croats in essence have some of sort of mix as a result of the Habsburg empire and others which brought in a large influx of various non-Croat groups which over centuries fused with the local Croats. We're all Croats, but we are kaleidoscope of different peoples, cultures and influences fused into one.

One thing I love is surnames. I like learning the origins of surnames and Croatia is fascinating because of the huge mixture of all types like German, Jewish, Italian, Hungarian, Slovak, Czeck, Polish, Turkish etc. My own surname is non-Croat and I'm still trying to figure out its origin LOL.

What part of Croatia is your mum from?

Zagreb I think, she was born in Zagreb, she moved to London 30 yeas ago, and rest is history.

My dad died (car accident) when I was only 13 and was brought up by mom, she still lives in Surry, and I am in West London. She goes to Croatia quite often and told me she'll move back by 2010 when she plans to retire and live in Croatia. I'll visit her for my holidays....

SinCity

May 20th, 2005, 03:28 AM

Zagreb I think, she was born in Zagreb, she moved to London 30 yeas ago, and rest is history.

My dad died (car accident) when I was only 13 and was brought up by mom, she still lives in Surry, and I am in West London. She goes to Croatia quite often and told me she'll move back by 2010 when she plans to retire and live in Croatia. I'll visit her for my holidays....

Mick, sorry to hear about your Dad. :( Its good your mum's deciding to retire back to Croatia. I guess its where her family still lives. You'll have to convince her to move to the coast thou, that way you'll have somewhere really nice to go when you have your summer vacations. :)

bubach_hlubach

May 20th, 2005, 03:39 AM

mic of Orion

May 20th, 2005, 03:39 AM

Mick, sorry to hear about your Dad. :( Its good your mum's deciding to retire back to Croatia. I guess its where he family still lives. You'll have to convince her to move to the coast thou, that way you'll have somewhere really nice to go when you have your summer vacations. :)

Well for mom's house here you can buy 2 or 3 in Croatia I am sure we'll get one on a seaside, I talked to her about and Istria or Kvarner would be the place she might get here second house. We already have large 3 bedroom apartment in Vinogradska street in Zagreb, it belongs to her family and she is renting it out to some company or something. But I am thinking it would be nice to buy something around Tuskanac or that area, If possible of course.

PS.
I have no clue, I recognise Dalmatian accent and think it is very funny, but all Croats sound to me the same, Zagreb accent sound to me most normal to me, - I mean one I can recognise easily.
:)

SinCity

May 20th, 2005, 03:51 AM

What Croatian accents do you people like the most ? :)

I personally find Split-Sibenik, Istria and Primorje, and then Zagreb accents very neat to my ears :)...Slavonian could sound cool, too :)

The most irritating accent is surely from Dubrovnik and especially from its surrounding - Zaton and Konavle, then Ploce....Medjimurje and Zagorje could also scratch tender ears :D

When I get past listening through all the swearing, then I would have to say the "Zadarski" dialect. I like the use of Italian vocabulary mixed with Croatian with the Ikavski. :D

I kind of like the Zagreb dialect and also the Zagorski dialect .... Kajkavski. :)

bubach_hlubach

May 20th, 2005, 03:56 AM

I have no clue, I recognise Dalmatian accent and think it is very funny, but all Croats sound to me the same, Zagreb accent sound to me most normal to me, - I mean one I can recognise easily.
:)

Yeah, all Croats sound the same to me too....i just love to help people from Dalmatia, Slavonia and Zagorje to understand each other :D lol

bubach_hlubach

May 20th, 2005, 04:09 AM

When I get past listening through all the swearing, then I would have to say the "Zadarski" dialect. I like the use of Italian vocabulary mixed with Croatian with the Ikavski. :D

I kind of like the Zagreb dialect and also the Zagorski dialect .... Kajkavski. :)

This Italian vocabulary scares me a lot the way it is used in many parts of Dalmatia, because; lets say there is an Italian word for something, now each area will slightly change or add something to this word, and as result of that, they will be using the same 'original' word but as it was modified, people wont understand it, everybody will have own version of this word :D

The funniest thing i have ever seen was 5-6 years ago in Trogir listening to some local person talking to a girl from Split.......and you know how close these two cities are, almost one next to another. Anyways, these two people had to ask each other to translate some of the words :D

SinCity

May 20th, 2005, 04:13 AM

This Italian vocabulary scares me a lot the way it is used in many parts of Dalmatia, because; lets say there is an Italian word for something, now each area will slightly change or add something to this word, and as result of that, they will be using the same 'original' word but as it was modified, people wont understand it, everybody will have own version of this word :D

The funniest thing i have ever seen was 5-6 years ago in Trogir listening to some local person talking to a girl from Split.......and you know how close these two cities are, almost one next to another. Anyways, these two people had to ask each other to translate some of the words :D

Dont worry, its the same with villages around Zadar. My parents are only a couple of villages apart and I had to use different vocabulary in both for some things. Lets just say by the time I got back to Australia my level of Croatian was that fucked up. Throw in a few months in Zagreb to complicate things further .... :D

bubach_hlubach

May 20th, 2005, 04:18 AM

mic of Orion

May 20th, 2005, 04:21 AM

I wanted to say my mom was originally from Zagorje, not far from Zapersic, she told me she no longer speaks with Zagorski accent, but she did when she was little....

long foot

May 20th, 2005, 08:27 AM

I found one 'artistic' pic of myself, doesnt look exactly like me though, will take some normal one soon :)

http://img266.echo.cx/img266/3373/bubach8ru.jpg

p.s. Am I winning so far ? :D

Artistic photo? lol

Bubach, you are definitly winning on this contest :D

Sincity, we are waiting your picture...

long foot

May 20th, 2005, 08:30 AM

http://img207.echo.cx/img207/1361/volunteeringandrazingmoneyforg.jpg
I am one with black tee-shirt, other guys are Mark and Jamie... all working for Greenpeace as volunteers.

I guess I might look like vierdo, lol. add this Star trek and Star wars fan, lol, and you get the geek that is me... :) :)

Mike, you and your friends actualy look like a typical Brits, :lol: but it is also obviously that you personaly have some Croatian blood in your veins;)

SinCity

May 20th, 2005, 08:32 AM

Artistic photo? lol

Bubach, you are definitly winning on this contest :D

Sincity, we are waiting your picture...

OK, but you'll have to give me the weekend to find a decent and uncompromising photo which isnt scandalous to scan and post up here. ;)

Anyway, I concede defeat .... there's no way I can compete with Bubach who is definately the most gorgeous .... :D

long foot

May 20th, 2005, 11:22 AM

What Croatian accents do you people like the most ? :)

I personally find Split-Sibenik, Istria and Primorje, and then Zagreb accents very neat to my ears :)...Slavonian could sound cool, too :)

The most irritating accent is surely from Dubrovnik and especially from its surrounding - Zaton and Konavle, then Ploce....Medjimurje and Zagorje could also scratch tender ears :D

I like Slavonian accent the most and then my own - weird combination of Bosnian and Zagreb's accent without kaj :D

I realy dislike accents of Zagorje, Međimurje, Dubrovnik and Istria. No offense to anyone...

mic of Orion

May 20th, 2005, 03:57 PM

Guys I never cared for looks, perhaps cose I am quite shy person, or think little of my self in terms of gorgeous looks, but I really never cared for looks, I ware often Dockers and tee-shirts with trainers, very few fashion labels if any. I care little for ppl who must have all the latest fashion and think of them self's most beautiful in the world with ego to match...

My girlfriend is same as me, and most of my m8's are also down to earth, I used to do voluntary work with Greenpeace and Amnesty International, will probably start doing it again - every Saturday about 4-5 hours won't hurt.
I just cant understand how ppl can care so much about three egotistical needs when billion ppl around the world are starving, got no drinking water and dieing of most common diseases which in west we would/could treat with simple antibiotics...

Long foot and Bubach you look way cool, although I think Bubach you look way artistic to me, and remind me of few heavy metal friends I got, well I know them for sometimes (say 4-5 years)...

well, this are my thoughts can we skip this subject and return to Zagreb development issues, any news ?

long foot

May 20th, 2005, 06:48 PM

well, this are my thoughts can we skip this subject and return to Zagreb development issues, any news ?

Well, I didn't plan to start this freak content, it just happened after the guys saw me in the mirror :D

I have a news: construction of GTC shopping center in New Zagreb finally started. I was passing by that site few hours ago and saw they are digging...

rendering of GTC, one more time:
http://www.gtc.com.pl/galery_image.php?src=pub/img/europe/novi-zagreb-shopping-centre.jpg&width=700&height=450

long foot

May 20th, 2005, 07:11 PM

mic of Orion

May 20th, 2005, 07:54 PM

thanx LF, I acutely work full time but in my free time I do voluntary work for few hours. many ppl in UK do work voluntary work to help local community say once a week or in evenings. I prefer to do it on Saturdays and to do something I support whole heartily. But you are right first you need to sort your own needs and than contribute as much as you can. :)

PS, sorry for my outburst up there, it wasn't directed at anyone just to get back at projects, hope I didn't offend anyone...
:) :) :cheers:

bubach_hlubach

May 20th, 2005, 09:01 PM

I like Slavonian accent the most and then my own - weird combination of Bosnian and Zagreb's accent without kaj :D

I realy dislike accents of Zagorje, Međimurje, Dubrovnik and Istria. No offense to anyone...

Hehe, i wondered what you sounded like too :)
And if i may ask, what part of BiH you came from ? :)

I usualy speak very clear Zagreb's dialect, but could go sometimes for some Zagorje phrases - 'dej spiz dej jec' (daj piti, daj jesti ) :D

bubach_hlubach

May 20th, 2005, 09:33 PM

Artistic photo? lol

Bubach, you are definitly winning on this contest :D

Sincity, we are waiting your picture...

Oh come on, i was just testing out my web camera like two years ago or smth, and then this pic came out like that on accident, so i thoought it looked cool and kept it :)

I used to be a heavy metal freak, to be more specific i was into black metal for over 10 years :devil:, but lately i calmed down a little bit :D

p.s. I was never wearing leather jackets, spikes, shirts with skulls etc - i kinda looked normal :D

Endimion17

May 20th, 2005, 09:51 PM

I use accent from Zadar, because I'm right from Zadar... lol
I'd say that I dislike the accent that appears in media, because it is so full of "ekavica" (don't worry, I'm not a nationalist).
People in Split, Šibenik and Zadar talk similar, but it's media's fault that they promote the twisted, packed "dalmatinski", to everyone.
It's also because of JNA camps mostly situated in Split, and because of flow from "Zagora". For example, watch Nase malo misto, and you'll hear the true accent of most Dalmatian coast (doctor Luigi, Bepina, blabla...)
On the other side, take a look at "Po ure torture", to introduce yourself with twisted (added ekavica) accent (lovely ladies,, btw :D )

For example, in "Danas smo zajedno, jednoglasno napravili dvoranu", TV will say
"Danas smo zajedno, jednoglasno napravili dvoranu"
which is really not Dalmatian accent (far from that)
True accent would be
"Danas smo zajedno, jednoglasno napravili dvoranu"
but without elongation that appears in Zagreb. Zadarski accent is very island-oriented, full of short (") down-accents. Some folks say that we speak one of the "purest" standard Croatian. That's just with accents. The words are a different story. :D

There are many Italian borrowed words (but not as many as Germanisms in Zagreb, lol). And they have been accomodated to Croatia.
And again, TV promotes another version (I honestly don't know why).
For example, "ručnik" (i.e. "towel"), would be "šugaman"
But not šugaman, it's šugaman. There are visible differences.

And there is the question word "što". Croatian language uses "kaj, ča, and što". And during Yugoslavia was "modern" to talk "serbo-croatian", which is a fictive thing, so lots of people use "šta". Especially in Split (mostly people from Zagora) and Šibenik. That is because of the Zagora's proximity.
Zadar is entirely different. "Zagora" is far away (TV says different), there were not many JNA camps, so we stayed true to "što" and "ča".
I don't mean to sound like a tourist promotor, but if you really want to hear some true dalmatian ikavica, you're invited! :)
(plus you get to see a business tower construction site, lovely ladies :D , 3000 years old city, beautiful churches, etc. You can even climb the currently tallest building - Sv. Stošija at 55m for only 10kn, yay!)

Lots of people like to say that this accent pluralism (enhanced during language torture of Yugoslavia) is specific only to Croatia, and that is not true at all. Every language has lots of accents. :cheers:

long foot

May 20th, 2005, 10:25 PM

Hehe, i wondered what you sounded like too :)
And if i may ask, what part of BiH you came from ? :)

from town of famous II AVNOJ council :D lol

historic pic of the place:
http://www.ushistoricalarchive.com/photochroms/ppmsc/09306r.jpg

Endimion17

May 20th, 2005, 10:53 PM

that's just an amazing place! I wonder what does it look like from another angle... (they always show it from this angle, where you can see the waterfalls)

How about posting what are you currently listening? I'm listening to Take On Me by A-Ha, remembering my childhood...
:banana: :cucumber: :carrot: :pepper: :banana2: :lock:
cool song (except that part where the guy screams like someone detached his balls) :hahaha:

bubach_hlubach

May 20th, 2005, 10:56 PM

long foot

May 20th, 2005, 11:07 PM

^ Okie dokie, from now on you will be known as 'Long Foot beg' ;) :)

What is the population of Jajce ? :)

p.s. A guy who created today's probably most popular picture browser 'Irfanview', he is from Jajce too, i think :)

Before the war Jajce town had 15.000, today it could be about 10.000.

Yes, Irfan is from Jajce ;) but I don't use his progam, I use Slow View mostly.

mic of Orion

May 20th, 2005, 11:19 PM

I use ACDsee 5 hate 6 cose it is f***g s**t...

forgot to ask, guys in Zagreb if you have chance can you take new pics of tram in action, final look...

O yes LF, I gave up on HZ, it is prohibitively expensive for me to call them and wait half an hour for to get some stupid secretary, I just think if you get anywhere with this I whish you all the best, I'll try once more to call them buggers and than I'll give up. I think to many ppl work for HZ - they are so inefficient...

bubach_hlubach

May 20th, 2005, 11:36 PM

This is where i was born - hospital in Petrova street :)

http://img270.echo.cx/img270/7153/zgpetr1hm.jpg

lindenthaler

May 20th, 2005, 11:40 PM

I use ACDsee 5 hate 6 cose it is f***g s**t...

take IrfanView, it s uncomparable better than ACDsee IMO, true bosnian jewell ;)

bubach_hlubach

May 20th, 2005, 11:49 PM

^yup, definately the best pic browser ever made, plus it is totaly free. I think the latest version of it even has a panorama plug-in in it :)

mic of Orion

May 20th, 2005, 11:51 PM

This is where i was born - hospital in Petrova street :)

http://img270.echo.cx/img270/7153/zgpetr1hm.jpg

Soon when University Hospital is complete and Rebro is relocated (new developments you all know about) many hospitals in Zagreb face closures, one of them being Petrova Hospital; Merkur Hospital, Children's Hospital, few specialised hospitals and holy Spirit General Hospital, in all about 6-7 hospitals face closure. Future of Zagreb medicine would concentrate on few state of the art medical centres, such as University Hospital, Rebro, Dubrava Medical Centre, Vinogradska Medical Centre and Trauma Centre, everything else will close down, perhaps infectious diseases hospital might remain as it is quite good and has excellent isolation wards for highly infectious diseases...

And yes I asked no less than Minister of health to get this answer, lol... OK he was in former government but nothing has changed since...

Although I think children's hospital should remain as it is only such facility in what was former Yugoslavia and wider, nearest such clinic is in Vienna and Milan. Zagreb Children's Hospital is medium large facility with 300 beds and it receives about 5 million US$ per year in support from overseas charity organisations. Here in UK we have charity shield and Zagreb Children's hospital is regular recipient of this charity from UK. :) :)

lindenthaler

May 20th, 2005, 11:53 PM

^yup, definately the best pic browser ever made, plus it is totaly free. I think the latest version of it even has a panorama plug-in in it :)

For panorama, best software is PanoramaFactory, it costs, but you can *khm* *khm* pay it :naughty:

mic of Orion

May 20th, 2005, 11:54 PM

take IrfanView, it s uncomparable better than ACDsee IMO, true bosnian jewell ;)

well I tried irfan view but it is not as good as ACDsee, I mean I can edit my pictures, resize them and do weird stuff with it, unless irfan has all this facilities, I haven't seen it on version I had.. :)

lindenthaler

May 21st, 2005, 12:01 AM

well I tried irfan view but it is not as good as ACDsee, I mean I can edit my pictures, resize them and do weird stuff with it, unless irfan has all this facilities, I haven't seen it on version I had.. :)

Ops, than that are concept differences, i use IrfanView for main image control (preview, resize, compression, batching.... etc), and for every possible fast operations. For advanced editing (like colors, layers) i use separate Software like Photoshop. AcdSee is something in the middle, it s a bit more than fast editing, and much lesser than advanced editing, but it doesn't fit in my image editing profile :)

long foot

May 21st, 2005, 10:08 AM

Article from Jutarnji list about new student dormitory in Dubrava and small article about metro project ;)

http://img277.echo.cx/img277/7965/picture0822339wk.jpg

mic of Orion

May 21st, 2005, 10:26 AM

great news LF, metro looks set to be constructed, I think underground tram network would be best, sort of 5 trams lines all underground and in sections towards outskirts it can be over ground...

I would be much cheaper than full metro and as fast as metro... I think it still might cost more than 5bn HRK predicted by someone in Zagreb, lol they are cheeky buggers for all 5 lines for 5bn, lol joke of the century.

but also they must connect all parts of Zagreb with trams,
http://img233.echo.cx/img233/8682/zagreb3dzeljeznicaitramvaj237l.jpg

King-Tomislav

May 22nd, 2005, 04:13 PM

Vukovarska street :

http://www.d-a-z.hr/ostalo/natjecaji/erstebank-zagreb/II-nagrada-situacija1.jpg

long foot

May 22nd, 2005, 04:32 PM

Welcome to forum, King! :)

long foot

May 22nd, 2005, 04:49 PM

I have a news: construction of GTC shopping center in New Zagreb finally started. I was passing by that site few hours ago and saw they are digging...

rendering of GTC, one more time:
http://www.gtc.com.pl/galery_image.php?src=pub/img/europe/novi-zagreb-shopping-centre.jpg&width=700&height=450

Picture from construction site ;)

http://img130.echo.cx/img130/4834/gtc15ek.jpg

King-Tomislav

May 22nd, 2005, 05:38 PM

Welcome to forum, King! :)

Hvala! ;)

This forum is fantastic, I'm so glad I found it. It is rather confusingly organized though. It's good to see a lot of croats here!

SinCity

May 23rd, 2005, 03:25 AM

There are many Italian borrowed words (but not as many as Germanisms in Zagreb, lol). And they have been accomodated to Croatia.
And again, TV promotes another version (I honestly don't know why).
For example, "ručnik" (i.e. "towel"), would be "šugaman"
But not šugaman, it's šugaman. There are visible differences.

LOL, its funny seeing parts of my Croatian vocabulary (Zadar dialect) mentioned here .....

šugaman = towel
kalceta = socks
mudande = underwear
pomodore = tomatoes
katriga = chair
pinjor = fork

:D

SinCity

May 23rd, 2005, 03:29 AM

Picture from construction site ;)

http://img130.echo.cx/img130/4834/gtc15ek.jpg

Nice Long Foot. This one will be finished in no time!

SinCity

May 23rd, 2005, 03:34 AM

Hvala! ;)

This forum is fantastic, I'm so glad I found it. It is rather confusingly organized though. It's good to see a lot of croats here!

Welcome "King Tomislav". Its great to see more Croats here. We hope you see you here more often. :)

Most Croatian topics are here in the "Euroscrapers" section. This is located on the main page. Look down the list. However most of the discussion is here on the Zagreb thread, but in time you'll become familiar with our other discussion topics. Other Croatian cities are also discussed here.

Just feel free to ask any of us here and we can point you to the other interesting Croatian topics on this board. You can also send personal messages if you need info.

Pozdrav :)

mic of Orion

May 23rd, 2005, 05:07 AM

King wellcome to the SSC forums, hope to ce you here a lot :) :cheers:

mic of Orion

May 23rd, 2005, 05:09 AM

okies, article in Croatian about Zagreb traffic problems and construction of new major avenue... Guys you speak Croatian better than me. if you can outlined it in short... thanx :)

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/050522/zg-zvagu-txt.jpg
http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/regions/zagreb/294277/index.do

King wellcome to the SSC forums, hope to ce you here a lot :) :cheers:

Gradski ured za izgradnju grada ovoga će tjedna dobiti lokacijsku dozvolu za jedan od najvećih prometnih projekata u metropoli od osamostaljenja Hrvatske. Pod radnim nazivom "Projekt Šarengradska", Grad namjerava do 2009. godine 1800 metara dugom prometnicom izravno povezati Jadranski most i Ulicu Florijana Andrašeca kod Cibonina tornja.

Savska u drugi plan
Prometnica će se 440 metara dugim dvama nadvožnjacima izdizati nad raskrižjem Selske i Savske, kod raskrižja s Albaharijevom spuštat će se na razinu zemlje, te će se s dva 1360 metara duga prometna traka vezati na Andrašecovu i sjeverni dio grada. Vrijednost projekta procjenjuje se na oko 180 milijuna kuna, a njegovim bi se dovršetkom Savska trebala rasteretiti automobila te primarno koristiti za tramvajski i pješački promet.
- Gradnja je podijeljena u dvije dionice, 2007. godine počet ćemo gradnju prve dionice od Ljubljanske avenije do Andrašecove, duge 787 metara. Drugu dionicu, dugu 1048 metara, počet ćemo graditi 2008. godine, a protezat će se od Jadranskog mosta do Ljubljanske avenije te uključivati rješavanje čvorišta Selska - Šarengradska koje je ujedno najsloženiji i najskuplji dio projekta - objašnjavaju prometni stručnjaci iz Gradskog ureda za izgradnju grada.
Odvojeni dvosmjerni kolnici biti će široki 34 do 44 metra, te podijeljeni pojasima zelenila. Pokraj kolnika bit će pješački hodnici i biciklističke staze. Gradit će se kompletna infrastruktura prometnice, nova tramvajska pruga, a na raskrižju Selske i Savske potporni stupovi nadvožnjaka koji će spajati Jadranski most i Albaharijevu.

Problemi u gradnji
- Veliki nam je problem stvorila dogradnja poslovne zgrade Industrogradnje na raskrižju Savske i Selske ceste, te novosagrađeni viskotlačni plinovod koji se nalazi na koridoru buduće prometnice. Nadvožnjaci će spornu zgradu jednostavno zaobići, a zbog visokotlačnog plinovoda radove ćemo morati izvoditi samo ljeti kada se visokotlačni plinovod ne upotrebljava - objašnjavaju stručnjaci.

Iako će zbog svega toga sama gradnja nove Šarengradske trajati minimalno dvije godine, dovršetkom projekta promet u širem gradskom središtu napokon bi se mogao uvelike rasteretiti.

SinCity

May 23rd, 2005, 05:30 AM

LOL Mick, I was reading the article and was going to summarise it here. :D

Anyway, I think Long Foot mentioned this new project a while ago and it has now become official with the relevant certificates granted. I'm not 100% on the exact locations but maybe if we are lucky Long Foot might later on be able to show on a map the actual layout of the new roads.

In summary, it will disperse traffic on the heavily conjested Savska street next to existing Cibona and HOTO office towers.

Called the "Projekt Šarengradska", it is expected by 2009 a new 2km stretch of roadway will be built from the existing Jadranski Bridge (over Sava River) towards Florijan Andrašec Street which is next to Cibona Skyscraper.

Total cost of the project is 180 million HR Kuna's. Its to be built in 2 stages and will include a number of new intersections with major roads such as Ljubljanska. It will be broad roadway with extensive landscaping and access for trams.

Part of the problem with Savska street is its not wide enough and not practical for heavy traffic entering Zagreb city centre. By dispersing the traffic conjestion it may in turn relax the city councils view on more high rises along this strip. They may become welcoming to more of them. Maybe. :)

long foot

May 23rd, 2005, 08:29 AM

This red line will be new street :)

http://img276.echo.cx/img276/481/7059uj.png

SinCity

May 23rd, 2005, 08:44 AM

Thanks Long Foot. So it will run parallel to the existing southern rail line?

I guess this will involve the demolition of properties?

long foot

May 23rd, 2005, 10:04 AM

Thanks Long Foot. So it will run parallel to the existing southern rail line?

I guess this will involve the demolition of properties?

Yes, new avenue will be placed 10 m away from the rail line.

Actualy that coridor is mostly free, but some buildings must be demolished. One of them is elementary school located close to intersection Savska/Selska. New viaduct will be constructed right across that location. This school is very big problem, because they first have to build new school on another location. They didn't start construction of new school yet, what means it will take more time to ralize this project. But anyway, once when this project get realized, it will be much easier to drive thru Savska street, which is totally broken now. Savska is surely one of the biggest traffic problems in Zagreb, it has only 2 lanes + 2 lanes for trams. It was even worse before intersection with Slavonska/Ljubljanska was reconstructed in 1996(?). They built tunnel 150 m long under Savska and now if you drive thru Slavonska, you don't have to wait for green lights on intersection, you just go down thru the tunnel. I hope more such tunnels will be built in Zagreb. It would be nice to see new junctions with 2 or 3 levels on intersections Držićeva/Vukovarska, Vukovarska/Savska and Vukovarska/Heinzelova too.

long foot

May 23rd, 2005, 10:39 AM

I just found some statictics in yesterdays Jutarnji list about heights of our towers:

Zagrepčanka - 109
Cathedral 105
Cibona 100
Eurotower 96

I hope that this horrible dilemma is solved now ;)

long foot

May 23rd, 2005, 11:05 AM

Project of new sport and recreation center in Sesvete:

http://www.d-a-z.hr/ostalo/natjecaji/sesvete-src/sesvete-src-1nagr-1.jpg
http://www.d-a-z.hr/ostalo/natjecaji/sesvete-src/sesvete-src-1nagr-2.jpg
http://www.d-a-z.hr/ostalo/natjecaji/sesvete-src/sesvete-src-1nagr-3.jpg
http://www.d-a-z.hr/ostalo/natjecaji/sesvete-src/sesvete-src-1nagr-4.jpg
http://www.d-a-z.hr/ostalo/natjecaji/sesvete-src/sesvete-src-1nagr-5.jpg
http://www.d-a-z.hr/ostalo/natjecaji/sesvete-src/sesvete-src-1nagr-6.jpg

http://www.d-a-z.hr/ostalo/natjecaji/sesvete-SRC.htm

snupix

May 23rd, 2005, 02:08 PM

Can you see something unusual on this picture? :)

http://free-zg.t-com.hr/arno/DSC02193.jpg

snupix

May 23rd, 2005, 02:12 PM

Here are some more pics:

http://free-zg.t-com.hr/arno/DSC02200.jpg
http://free-zg.t-com.hr/arno/DSC02185.jpg
http://free-zg.t-com.hr/arno/DSC02194.jpg
http://free-zg.t-com.hr/arno/DSC02209.jpg

long foot

May 23rd, 2005, 02:27 PM

Is that new tram on the street? Wow! I still didn't see it, I guess it run only in the night.

King-Tomislav

May 23rd, 2005, 03:01 PM

King-Tomislav

May 23rd, 2005, 03:06 PM

I am glad Šarengradska project is going to be realized.

They are also going to connect Branimirova with nova Branimirova, which is a natural thing to do, but they are still not saying anything about long time ago promised and very necessary extension of Branimirova over the northern edge of Sesvete. Rush hour in Sesvete is horrible

long foot

May 23rd, 2005, 03:08 PM

Guys thank you for a welcome! ;)

vow, new tram on the street! looks good, if I understood correctly they are going to put two of them on the streets each month.... starting in may so we'll see two of them soon

As for the new "skyscrapers" in the city - I have a few questions :

I know of 3 buing built - 1) erste bank, on miramarska/vukovarska, what's the official name of the project!?

2) "mamićevi blizanci" - what's up with that- are they going to be twin towers or just one tower and one smaller building? what's the name? I guess it's not "Mamićev neboder" :)

3) New tower adjacent to Euroherc Insurance buidling , mr Baric was the investitor - name? date?

-------

What do you think of Horvatincic's idea to buid europe's highest skyscraper in Zagreb? He mentioned Savski most area as possible location

1. Erste bank is not approved :(

2. One of "Mamić twins" is under construction. It is called Eurotower. The other is not U/C yet, but will be very soon. You can find more info on official site www.eurotower.hr

3 Barić's tower in Radnička is under construction. It is called Zagrebtower. Official site www.zagrebtower.com

Do you live in ZG, King Tomislav?

King-Tomislav

May 23rd, 2005, 03:24 PM

1. Erste bank is not approved :(

2. One of "Mamić twins" is under construction. It is called Eurotower. The other is not U/C yet, but will be very soon. You can find more info on official site www.eurotower.hr

3 Barić's tower in Radnička is under construction. It is called Zagrebtower. Official site www.zagrebtower.com

Do you live in ZG, King Tomislav?

1. not approved by whom? I hope it's just a delay

2. thanks, so there are going to be 2 of them

3. thanks

yes I do ;)

long foot

May 23rd, 2005, 03:32 PM

1. not approved by whom? I hope it's just a delay

Not approved by city authorities. it is not just a delay, they decided not to approve any more tower in Vukovarska.

King-Tomislav

May 23rd, 2005, 03:37 PM

Not approved by city authorities. it is not just a delay, they decided not to approve any more tower in Vukovarska.

our administration is so stale.....

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what would you do (if in position) with the railway in the city center? it divides the city and makes a barrier for traffic

long foot

May 23rd, 2005, 03:56 PM

our administration is so stale.....

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what would you do (if in position) with the railway in the city center? it divides the city and makes a barrier for traffic

Zagreb actualy has many (un)natural barriers:
1. railway line
2. Slavonska/Ljubljanska
3. Sava river
4. highway by-pass…

Railway is surely the worst, because it run thru the center of city. You actualy cant do anything special about it. You cant raise it on +1 level in the center, like it was done by Branimirova, because it would look awful. It is too expensive to put it underground.
If you ask me, I would construct more streets underneath railway between Heinzelova and Savska, something like "Miramarski podvožnjak". And I would build new interantional train station in southern New Zagreb and then move most of traffic from central to southern station. (BTW this station is anticipated in new GUP). It would be great to keep Glavni kolodvor only for suburban and some intercity trains.

King-Tomislav

May 23rd, 2005, 05:55 PM

interesting thinking long foot - can you explain what do you mean by highway by-pass barrier?

Regarding the railway - I would raise it one level up, as it is now ner cibona tower and along savska, I think it looks much better than the ground type railway. It's not that expensive to raise it and "donji grad" could become much more integrated with "trnje" and other parts towards south.

It is necessarry to build podsused-novi zagreb railway section if transit traffic is to be put ouside town center

lindenthaler

May 23rd, 2005, 08:18 PM

interesting thinking long foot - can you explain what do you mean by highway by-pass barrier?

i am not long foot but..
that s easy explainable, a lot of cities have by pass roads (mostly highways) which is positioned around the city, it has a wall function because highways divide parts of cities by more over 100 m. what s inside in this "wall" it will be always city centre, and what s outside it ll be suburb. It s important not to lay highway bypass road to near to centre.

long foot

May 23rd, 2005, 09:12 PM

i am not long foot but..
that s easy explainable, a lot of cities have by pass roads (mostly highways) which is positioned around the city, it has a wall function because highways divide parts of cities by more over 100 m. what s inside in this "wall" it will be always city centre, and what s outside it ll be suburb. It s important not to lay highway bypass road to near to centre.

Exactly. Zagreb's by-pass is faraway from the centre, but it is still strong barrier which devides Zagreb and Velika Gorica or Zagreb and airport. You can build 100 viaducts across that road, but it will always be the wall. for example, one of the most stupid urban project in Zagreb is road Slavonska/Ljubljanska. it is city highway and it is positioned close to city center. That road is wall. They have to build many junctions and subway passages to solve this problems. OK, some of them were alredy built, but still not enough.

Endimion17

May 23rd, 2005, 11:00 PM

LOL, its funny seeing parts of my Croatian vocabulary (Zadar dialect) mentioned here .....

šugaman = towel
kalceta = socks
mudande = underwear
pomodore = tomatoes
katriga = chair
pinjor = fork

:D

Actually, :D , it's a bit different:
socks=bičve
underwear=mudante
tomatoes=pomidori
fork=pirun (or pinjur, but that's very rare)

Oh, the joy of vocabulary! :banana:

bubach_hlubach

May 23rd, 2005, 11:11 PM

^ you two must be from different parts of Zadar then ;)
:D

Endimion17

May 23rd, 2005, 11:25 PM

I just found some statictics in yesterdays Jutarnji list about heights of our towers:

Zagrepčanka - 109
Cathedral 105
Cibona 100
Eurotower 96

I hope that this horrible dilemma is solved now ;)

LF, could you please scan the article?
I would really like to believe in those numbers, but they are wrong.
There was a documentary on HRT followed by an interview with few architects and urbanists in which they distinctly said that Zagreb does not own a building taller than Katedrala in Zagreb, except 2 chimneys, and later they repeated that Croatia has no 100+ skyscrapers.
Katedrala is 103&104m, Zagrepcanka 94.6 and Cibona less than that, probably 92m. And they said that no one wanted to surpass Katedrala.
They discussed Zagreb's growth, and mentioned Eurotower, as the next tallest. 4 statements. I remember them vividly.
Plus, there's the interview with Robert Pecnik, the Birdman, who repeated the 94.6 number.
I'm sorry to criticize, but Jutarnji often has wrong information of everything scientific, and lots of articles are followed by clumsy erroneus images.
Eurotower is the next tallest, I assure you of that.

It would really be a great work if someone could visit the urbanist office (I don't know the proper name of it) and ask an insight in official excerpt of height data of Zagreb highrises. I have no idea where this office is at all...

Endimion17

May 23rd, 2005, 11:29 PM

^ you two must be from different parts of Zadar then ;)
:D

those are called idioms... :D
but, honestly, I've never heard of idiom "mudande", simply because "d" has to be transformed into "t", because of one grammar rule I can't remember now. :D
It's very difficult to pronounce it with "d".

SinCity, which part of Zadar are you from?

SinCity

May 24th, 2005, 05:26 AM

those are called idioms... :D
but, honestly, I've never heard of idiom "mudande", simply because "d" has to be transformed into "t", because of one grammar rule I can't remember now. :D
It's very difficult to pronounce it with "d".

SinCity, which part of Zadar are you from?

I was born on Poluotok (peninsula - old city), right in the epicentre of Zadar. :D I also lived there with my Mum until I was 2 years old before we left for Australia. My dad is from 10kms north of Zadar and my mum is about 20kms north as well. :)

SinCity

May 24th, 2005, 05:30 AM

Here are some more pics:

http://free-zg.t-com.hr/arno/DSC02200.jpg
http://free-zg.t-com.hr/arno/DSC02185.jpg
http://free-zg.t-com.hr/arno/DSC02194.jpg
http://free-zg.t-com.hr/arno/DSC02209.jpg

Wow, great pics as always Snupix! :yes:

bubach_hlubach

May 24th, 2005, 05:48 AM

thanks for the pics of the tram Snupix :)

I was also lucky to find more pics :)

http://img239.echo.cx/img239/451/1047promocijatramvaja0ec.jpg

http://img239.echo.cx/img239/954/220134te.jpg

http://img239.echo.cx/img239/1973/220158rs.jpg

http://img239.echo.cx/img239/5585/220166kp.jpg

too bad all of the pics dont show this tram being 100% complete and set to run on the streets....patience patience, kids....soon...very soon :)

snupix

May 24th, 2005, 08:28 AM

I took those night shots on sunday night when the tram went on the first test ride... I hope that we will see it regularly on the streets in about 10 days, finally.
Nobody wants to give any information, but in ZET they told me that we could expect it at the end of May.

SinCity

May 24th, 2005, 08:43 AM

snupix

May 24th, 2005, 08:53 AM

SinCity

May 24th, 2005, 08:55 AM

Unfortunately I don't know, i hope they'll do it, but I'm not sure because the bogies turn in the curves so I don't know whether it's possible to cover them.

But who knows, there is still some work to do on the tram, they didn't even put the ZET logo and number on it yet, so maybe there are also some bigger things to do first... I hope we'll know everything soon...

I hope they cover them or at least paint em all black. That bit of blue doesnt look that great. I guess in over a week we'll all get to see the final product. Nice collection of pics you have on the new trams BTW. :)

snupix

May 24th, 2005, 09:04 AM

long foot

May 24th, 2005, 10:36 AM

I found better map of Šarengradska project:

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/050522/zg-gup.jpg?_vl_backlink=/newsroom/regions/zagreb/294277/index.do

long foot

May 24th, 2005, 12:30 PM

Bubach, check this site and signature under photo:
http://lacroatie.free.fr/croatie_news/news.php?newsid=22

I didn't know you took pics of TMK 2200 :sly: I thought you are in USA ;)

King-Tomislav

May 24th, 2005, 01:54 PM

Exactly. Zagreb's by-pass is faraway from the centre, but it is still strong barrier which devides Zagreb and Velika Gorica or Zagreb and airport. You can build 100 viaducts across that road, but it will always be the wall. for example, one of the most stupid urban project in Zagreb is road Slavonska/Ljubljanska. it is city highway and it is positioned close to city center. That road is wall. They have to build many junctions and subway passages to solve this problems. OK, some of them were alredy built, but still not enough.

I understand your point, and completely agree on slavonska-ljubljanska. It is poorely located and goes right through the heart of possible future town center.

But I disagree in the case of by-pass (obilaznica), I think it is located very well and it's importance is going to grow as the city grows. If you go to Sesvete, you'll see that the mentioned by-pass (actually it is already Zagreb-Varazdin highway there) is very well integrated. It is on a higher +1 level, and doesn't interfere with the ground level communication. Even the houses are just a few meters away.

So I don't think a bypass or a highway is a problem and a barrier by itself, but it become one if it is poorely constructed and located. It is the same as with the railway.

Endimion17

May 24th, 2005, 03:52 PM

Holy shit! :O

Did you know they're gonna destroy Vjesnik neboder?! I just found out at one blog of some reporter who's working in there.

We've got to stop it immediately! Online petition is too weak, we have to motivate the people of Zagreb, right at Jelačić square!

That is Bandić crap, I'm sure! >:O

long foot

May 24th, 2005, 03:57 PM

long foot

May 24th, 2005, 03:58 PM

btw ovdje možete naći detaljne informacije o projektu Šarengradska:

http://www.zagreb.hr/DOKUMENT.nsf/VPD/C5E92B73955D18C8C1256FE20044AE80?OpenDocument&12

lindenthaler

May 24th, 2005, 04:03 PM

btw ovdje možete naći detaljne informacije o projektu Šarengradska:

http://www.zagreb.hr/DOKUMENT.nsf/VPD/C5E92B73955D18C8C1256FE20044AE80?OpenDocument&12

do u have somewhere aerial pic of this area ? On this map above it doesn't look like a street that need years to be built :)

long foot

May 24th, 2005, 04:15 PM

do u have somewhere aerial pic of this area ? On this map above it doesn't look like a street that need years to be built :)

Believe me, it takes time. Situation is actualy very complicated there. I have pics somewhere, I will post them today afternoon or maybe tomorow. The point is that they first have to build new elementary school, so that they can demolish old one and then built 2 viaducts across that place. Also, many old houses must be demolished. City council first must buy those houses from people, and you know how does it work - someone doesn't want to sell, bla bla bla...

lindenthaler

May 24th, 2005, 04:19 PM

Believe me, it takes time. Situation is actualy very complicated there. I have pics somewhere, I will post them today afternoon or maybe tomorow. The point is that they first have to build new elementary school, so that they can demolish old one and then built 2 viaducts across that place. Also, many old houses must be demolished. City council first must buy those houses from people, and you know how does it work - someone doesn't want to sell, bla bla bla...

Oh well, something like that guy from "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" :D That is now understandable, anyway, why they didn't thought of building tunels under that place, the land around viaduct will be cheap because of noise :S

long foot

May 24th, 2005, 04:24 PM

Loction is totally inappropriate for tunnels. This pic was taken from Jadranski bridge. Viaducts will be built right ahead, only few meters away from right angle of this Tahograf building.

http://img132.echo.cx/img132/9404/evonaszagrebe9nx.jpg

long foot

May 24th, 2005, 05:33 PM

Ok, this green line will be new Šarengradska:
http://img76.echo.cx/img76/421/zagreb3dzeljeznicaitramvaj48bm.jpg

It will cross Ljubljanska right here:
http://img76.echo.cx/img76/3721/ljubljanska1iz.jpg

It will cross Vukovarska here and pass between T-mobile's building and railway line and (probably) reach Cibona tower:
http://img76.echo.cx/img76/8036/tmobile5xz.jpg

lindenthaler

May 24th, 2005, 05:39 PM

Now i see, there is a lot of things to tear down, so if it get built it ll take a lot of traffic out from savska cesta and bring it to "right" bridge (which is bigger and logicaly positioned to this new road)? i like infrastructure projects :yes:

bubach_hlubach

May 24th, 2005, 08:50 PM

Bubach, check this site and signature under photo:
http://lacroatie.free.fr/croatie_news/news.php?newsid=22

I didn't know you took pics of TMK 2200 :sly: I thought you are in USA ;)

You are right, i am in the US, but have you ever heard of astral projection ? :D

I really dont know how my name appeared on that website, it is not like i wasnt showing off with my thief skills everytime i would find a pic of that tram, and i would always clearly say where the pics were stolen from too, plus would post the links etc :)
Just weird :)

lindenthaler

May 24th, 2005, 08:52 PM

You are right, i am in the US, but have you ever heard of astral projection ? :D

I really dont know how my name appeared on that website, it is not like i wasnt showing off with my thief skills everytime i would find a pic of that tram, and i would always clearly say where the pics were stolen from too, plus would post the links etc :)
Just weird :)

You can go to court and demand 5 mil € cause of stealing images ;) And judge will decide that u exxagerated with 5 mil, and u ll get only 1 mill € as compensation :D

bubach_hlubach

May 24th, 2005, 08:58 PM

I hope they cover them or at least paint em all black. That bit of blue doesnt look that great. I guess in over a week we'll all get to see the final product. Nice collection of pics you have on the new trams BTW. :)

I am sure they'll cover those once they are done testing the tram and when it finally gets ready to hit the streets. At least it looks that way in the picture here :)

http://www.koncar-ellok.hr/slike/942_ellok_15_v.jpg

Endimion17

May 24th, 2005, 09:30 PM

Samo preko mene mrtvog :D

Možda se netko zajebava. Imaš kakav ozbiljan link, službeno priopćenje, bilo što?

Da, istina je. Čuo sam za to prije nekoliko tjedana, ali nisam obraćao preveliku pozornost jer sam mislio da je patka.
Ali nije.

http://apstinent.blog.hr/arhiva-2005-04.html#243167

komentari (moj je nekim cudom dupli, na dnu):
http://www.blog.hr/comments/?id=228976

ženska priča o tome kako su HOTO-u, ferimportovoj zgradi, iličkom neboderu... čini se da je prava novinarka. prije je radila u neboderu.
najgore je to što je to 100% bandićevo djelo. a neboder nije zaštićen.
Ja čisto ne mogu vjerovati, jedna tako savršeno planirana i uklopljena zgrada, čvrsta i čista, bez oštećenja, lijepa..., pa da se sruši zbog nekog idiota koji voli "graditi za zagreb".
Ma tip je idiot, završit ce on na sudu jednom, kao i kutle i ostala bagra. :bash:

long foot

May 24th, 2005, 09:39 PM

Čuj, koliko ja znam cijeli taj kompleks bi se trebao obnoviti, a ne srušiti. Ne iskreno, ne vjerujem da je istina to što ženka piše na blogu, mislim, kad je još blog bio relevantan izvor informacija?

Kad se o tome počne pisat po novinama, onda ima razloga za paniku. Zasad se ne brinem, ali stvarno, mislim da bi bila katastrofalna greška srušiti taj neboder. Meni je on jedna od najljepših vizura u Zagrebu, pet puta ljepši od Cibone, a 100 puta ljepši od Hoto-a.

Endimion17

May 24th, 2005, 10:27 PM

ne znam, LF, ja sam pročitao sve što je napisala u zadnjih 2 mjeseca i ne vidim razloga zasto bi uznemiravala doslovce nekoliko poznanika koji ju uopce čitaju.
ženska je stvarno "into it", strah ju je.

meni je vjesnik tako simpatičan toranj, kao neka igračka. srušiti njega i Iblerov neboder je skoro jednaki zločin.
Nema veze, ja sam svejedno alarmirao forum Tportala, tamo stize jako puno ljudi, pa mozda ce netko nesto znati i više.
U krajnjoj liniji ne zelim biti radio Mileva, ali nacuo sam za ovo još prije, a sad vidim da ženska šizi po blogu od muke. Pa kako neću biti na oprezu?

bubach_hlubach

May 24th, 2005, 11:01 PM

hmmm...nist decki, neka nam ova novinarka priskrbi par laznih akreditacija, pa cemo se uz njih uvuci u vjesnikov neboder, tj. uspentrat se na zadnji kat-terasu te zgrade i protestirati.
Izaberemo jednog od nas da glumi samoubojicu koji se zeli baciti sa zgrade i da ga samo Bandic moze odgovoriti od samoubojstva. Zatim kad se Bandic priblizi, mi ga na prijevaru uhvatimo i bacimo sa zgrade. To bi bilo to. Mislim da cak niti u zatvoru ne bi zavrsili, jer bi nam grad i gradjani bili nesebicno zahvalni na ucinjenom djelu, a 'Vjesnik' bi zauvijek ostao izostavljen iz paklenih planova ;)
:D

SinCity

May 25th, 2005, 12:16 AM

Bubach, check this site and signature under photo:
http://lacroatie.free.fr/croatie_news/news.php?newsid=22

I didn't know you took pics of TMK 2200 :sly: I thought you are in USA ;)

Thats a website for Croats worldwide. There is a small construction forum there in English. There is also discussion in French and German. :)

mic of Orion

May 25th, 2005, 12:17 AM

I just read that some brainless twat in Croatia (calling him self an economist - strongly doubt this) wants to recommend for Croatian Currency devaluation by astonishing 10%, as if currency already is not being kept at artificially bad exchange rate at this point, (Croatian Currency is about 4% undervalued by constant government intervention on FOREX markets - 1Euro = 7.3Kuna, should be 1Euro = 7kuna).

His arguments are, this would stimulate exports, lol, he is obviously so intelligent and knowledgably about this thinks, he forgot about Living Standard in Croatia, short effects of such measure ( the fact Croatian exports are very small 8.5 - 9 Bn US$ ), the fact that this would not only kill internal credit rating of populace and would kill any consumer boom going atm, would also bring stagnation, inflation and unemployment, all in an effort to sell few more ships at cheaper price, as if this would have any relevance, not to mention foreign debt would suddenly be about 2 Bn. Euros more expensive... lol.

Well I could give that pompous self righteous twat a lesson in economics, but I am sure he is to stupid to understand principles of monetary management and macro-economic stability....
I think he is probably one of the most stupid ppl in Croatia and should be shoot immediately and never allowed to speak of any economic issue, not even as practical joke.

If you ask Croatian worker happy to earn about 60 Euros less and have to pay about 120 Euros more his living, than I am pretty sure in about 99% cases I would get resounding NO, only complete idiots, greedy profiteers would ce this as happy marriage of there needs and convenience...

Well what can you expect from some un-educated twat who got his degree by producing friendly deposit towards professor of economics pension plan, lol Anyone thinking if devaluating Croatian currency - remember Argentina, who did the same only few years ago, be prepped for very quick change of government, HDZ readiness of remaning in opposition for waht, say next generation or 2... lol :) :bash:

SinCity

May 25th, 2005, 12:26 AM

Mick, do you know the twats name that wrote the article?

mic of Orion

May 25th, 2005, 12:28 AM

Mick, do you know the twats name that wrote the article?

forgot his name, but he's working at Economics Institute of Zagreb University...

I came over his article (was in english while back but in passing I heard something on Croatian TV today I think)...

He's kind of young about 30-35 I am saying young - meaning for being head of the institute, here in UK most are over 50....

SinCity

May 25th, 2005, 12:32 AM

forgot his name, but he's working at Economics institute of Zagreb University...

I came over his article (was in english while back but in passing I heard something on Croatian TV today I think)...

One of my friends here left a few years ago and works as an economist in Zagreb from what I remember a private firm. He's often quoted in the media and I generally disagree with his point of view. The Croatian ecomony also proves him wrong with his forecasts LOL :D. Thats why I asked if you saw the name ......

mic of Orion

May 25th, 2005, 12:38 AM

One of my friends here left a few years ago and works as an economist in Zagreb from what I remember a private firm. He's often quoted in the media and I generally disagree with his point of view. The Croatian ecomony also proves him wrong with his forecasts LOL :D. Thats why I asked if you saw the name ......

Most economist use very outdated model and formula of economic expansion, Keynesian is dead and long buried, long live Sach's principles of market trend economics. I often use this principles and get quite accurate with my prediction. My last prediction for Croatian gdp was only 1.4BN HRK off the target, with spot on Inflation and current account predictions.

I tend to believe Growth in Croatia strongly depends on stability of exchange rate, strong foreign exchange rate and above average consumer growth, exports play little or no importance on Croatian growth nor do they impact on any country that exports less than 50% of its GDP...

Example Germany, has strong economy, long stagnation despite huge exports (which only represent 35% of GDP) whilst Holland has good economic growth (2.85-3.15%) and exports are just over 52% (unemployment is just under 4.5%)... All reflecting my point....

SinCity

May 25th, 2005, 01:17 AM

Interesting points you make Mick. So how do you see the financial year ahead for them? Better, same or worse than the past 12 months?

SinCity

May 25th, 2005, 02:14 AM

I dont think they would pull down Vjesnik's tower simply because of the expense in doing it and secondly its rather structuraly sound. There isn't any significant defects. I wouldnt see any purpose in pulling down a 17 storey office building .... its not like Zagreb is short of space for new buildings. There are plenty of shitty single storey buildings nearby that they could knock down instead.

All I remember reading in the Croatian papers was that it is scheduled soon for a total rennovation. There was mention of "partial demolition" which involved the base structure and that there would be a bigger and newer podium. I think there was also talk of a smaller commercial high rise next to it.

If you guys are interested, there is scanned newspaper article from Dnevnik (Dec 2004) which is worth reading. It goes into the background and detail of Zagreb's older skyscrapers and there is plenty of mention on Vjesnik Tower. The building is half tennanted, but the rest is empty and this is because they are considering a rennovation similar to Ilica 1 .......

Here is the link .....

Zagrebački Neboderi: Propast ili Obnova (Dnevnik)
http://www.zagrebtower.com/downloads/03.12.04%20Dnevnik.pdf

There are many newspaper scans from the ZagrebTower website which are highly interesting reads on Zagreb skyscrapers, present and future ones. All worthy of reading :)

Here is the link to the list on ZagrebTower's webpage. Click on any of the 26 articles on the right hand side and then click on the PDF link on each subsequent page. The more recent articles are most interesting. Its also worth printing them if you want references at a later stage ...... :)

http://www.zagrebtower.com/index.php?lang=en&id=5

SinCity

May 25th, 2005, 02:36 AM

Yes, if they don't cover them I agree that painting them black would be a good idea, they wouldn't be so exposed then!
It's about time so I hope to see it soon too :)
Well I am a bit of a rail fan, and I waited a long time for this to happen so it wasn't a problem to wait in the night to take some shots :)

Snupix, looks like the journalists were also stalking the new tram that same very night you took pics :D ......

Vecernji List article :) .....

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/regions/zagreb/296211/index.do;jsessionid=6B94585F31332697B557BC1170C28A9D.1

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/050524/zg_tramvaj.jpg

mic of Orion

May 25th, 2005, 04:39 AM

Interesting points you make Mick. So how do you see the financial year ahead for them? Better, same or worse than the past 12 months?

I'm of optimistic nature and thus predict somewhat better result for this year than most economist did so far, I except Export will surge with high growths as they did in past 2 years and expect them to reach 9.54 Bn. US$ CIF, Imports will stagnate and growth of 4.5% would be somewhat optimistic predicament. Current account balance will end with 4.5% of GDP in red and government has already curtailed on its spending negative fact about this is they borrowed significant amount to cover this holes, despite its pledges to control and halt to any additional (foreign) debt to the state which now stands at 9.5Bn SU$ they clearly didn't keep up the promise and 1,1 Bn. Euros could be borrowed this year by issuing Euro-Bonds on Frankfurt and Zagreb Stock exchanges. Well this is almost a fact as Government has issued 500 million Euro Bonds in April and will do so the same in October/November.

Although Central Government has no problems it repaying its obligation (Croatian sovereign credit rating now stands at BBB) as 8.7Bn US$ in its foreign exchange reserves more than cover any central government borrowing this is not the case with commercial banks which are largely foreign owned and can easily reinvest there money by raising money at there home branches (which is considered commercial foreign debt), something government wants to curtail and by asking National Bank to increase secured deposits with that institutions to 50% of overall borrowing Banks would have hard time in bringing cash from abroad and reinvigorate domestic landing which is one of the least used resources in Central Europe despite being healthiest and most successful so far. It is estimated Croatian Banks, financial funds and pension funds have over 20BnUS$ ready for domestic landings and only small portion of this is ever used, main reason being higher interest rates than those in EU, In Croatia average landing interest rate to commercial sector is around 5.5%, where's to the public and individuals is over 7.5% and in some cases 8%PA.

I'm of the opinion government policy will work and as a result higher growth is expected in 3rd and 4th Quarter, with average being over 5%, in on annual level GDP would hit 4..25% as a result. FDI (Foreign Direct Investment) will start to pick up and Greenfield investment will show as major contributor in job creation. Croatian GDP I estimate will hit 224.5Bn HRK this year or 40BnSU$ giving Croatia an income per head of (PHA)9000US$ or PPP (Purchasing Power Parity) of 13400US$.

SinCity

May 25th, 2005, 04:51 AM

The thing that concerns most people is the high unemployment rate. Thats something the current government must change otherwise it will cost them the next election. How does CRO compare to other similar countries that recently joined EU. Do you think a "YES" from the EU will lead to more greenfield investments?

bubach_hlubach

May 25th, 2005, 07:52 AM

MIMICA

May 25th, 2005, 07:55 AM

http://img279.echo.cx/img279/97/untitled8kv.jpg

Extremely nice project. :) I'm also supprised how quickly the project is going. :yes: I'm impressed with Zagreb, and I hope that this feeling stays.
I'd like to thank SinCity, Long Foot, bubach_hlubach, mic of Orion, etc. for the help of this thread. Keep them coming guys. :)
:cheers1:

long foot

May 25th, 2005, 09:15 AM

Mislim da cak niti u zatvoru ne bi zavrsili, jer bi nam grad i gradjani bili nesebicno zahvalni na ucinjenom djelu, a 'Vjesnik' bi zauvijek ostao izostavljen iz paklenih planova ;)
:D

misliš onih 40 posto koliko je glasalo za njega? :sly:

long foot

May 25th, 2005, 10:31 AM

I am not nearly as flexible as LF, but could still do some cool things from my chair ;)

Hypo Alpe Adria center today; i am nicely surprised how fast this complex is 'blossoming'! Even that part on the left side that is 'sticking out' seems like it is being almost done :)

This project is great, but there is something about it that I hate with passion – it is black facade! What an idiot made decision to put black facade on such building? :bash: The transparent one would be much more appropriate. As far as I know this project was designed by Thom Mayne from USA, but investors changed some things without his authorization later. Facade is one of them.

long foot

May 25th, 2005, 06:20 PM

bubach_hlubach

May 25th, 2005, 09:10 PM

This project is great, but there is something about it that I hate with passion – it is black facade! What an idiot made decision to put black facade on such building? :bash: The transparent one would be much more appropriate. As far as I know this project was designed by Thom Mayne from USA, but investors changed some things without his authorization later. Facade is one of them.

The facade is black ??? Whoops...it looked to me pretty greenish in that webcam picture, plus some segments looked black which added more 'charm' in the general impression, but i guess that webcam isnt the most objective source then...hmm? :)

Do you or anybody else has a real photo of this complex ? I would like to see what it looks like for real :)

SinCity

May 26th, 2005, 02:17 AM

Well, guys, there is something U/C in Vukovarska, next to Almeria construction site. I saw machinery and workers today from the tram. I will probably go there next week and report you about this project.

I think thats the 9 level office building which is on the www.stimar.hr website. I think its address is 296a Vukovarska ...... I was looking for info last week but could find anything. Hopefully they'll be a board out front with more info.

SinCity

May 26th, 2005, 02:19 AM

bubach_hlubach

May 26th, 2005, 02:33 AM

SinCity

May 26th, 2005, 02:58 AM

^ if it is in one of the previus threads, then i might have seen it already, but will look for it anyway.

yeah, i am also surprised they are not going to add a few more floors. at least that location doesnt seem to be that 'sensitive' on the height of a skyscraper. They really could've added 5 more floors!.......but on the other hand, you know how urbanists from our city government are, they wouldnt even allow it in Gornja Stubica which is behind the Sljeme mountains hehe :D

But arguing against skyscrapers now is so retarded considering Zagreb has plenty of both residential and now commercial. They just need to centralise them and not have some here, some there, etc. What are they going to do when we start to see some really large and significant proposals like they now have in Prague and Bratislava ...... say "no". These projects are coming to Zagreb very, very soon. We are just on the beggining of a large urban renewal across Greater Zagreb and the current council needs to full their fingers out of where the sun doesnt shine .....

long foot

May 26th, 2005, 03:31 PM

The facade is black ??? Whoops...it looked to me pretty greenish in that webcam picture, plus some segments looked black which added more 'charm' in the general impression, but i guess that webcam isnt the most objective source then...hmm? :)

Do you or anybody else has a real photo of this complex ? I would like to see what it looks like for real :)

I have alredy posted these pics in one of the previous threads, but here you are again:

http://img117.echo.cx/img117/2775/picture4786kg.jpg
http://img117.echo.cx/img117/4279/picture4798fw.jpg
http://img117.echo.cx/img117/4838/picture4801jj.jpg
http://img117.echo.cx/img117/8751/picture4811xu.jpg
http://img117.echo.cx/img117/8643/picture4823pn.jpg
http://img117.echo.cx/img117/5426/picture4834pf.jpg
http://img117.echo.cx/img117/6751/picture4848fe.jpg
http://img117.echo.cx/img117/3153/picture4854at.jpg
http://img117.echo.cx/img117/3528/picture4868vj.jpg

long foot

May 26th, 2005, 03:36 PM

I think thats the 9 level office building which is on the www.stimar.hr website. I think its address is 296a Vukovarska ...... I was looking for info last week but could find anything. Hopefully they'll be a board out front with more info.

Yes, I also think it is this one, but we will see... This picture as not specialy informative, anyway...
http://www.stimar.hr/images/veliki/milos.jpg

Endimion17

May 27th, 2005, 02:29 AM

just some pics...

eurotower 3D (22.05.)
http://image-hosting.us/copper/albums/userpics/10103/eurotower_22_05_05_3D.jpg

(27.05.) - 13th floor on the way
http://image-hosting.us/copper/albums/userpics/10103/eurotower_27_05_05%20%283%29.jpg

cibona from west
http://image-hosting.us/copper/albums/userpics/10103/cibona%20%289%29.jpg

zagrepcanka from the "tunnel"
http://image-hosting.us/copper/albums/userpics/10103/zagrepcanka%20%2815%29.jpg

SinCity

May 27th, 2005, 07:57 AM

Thats great. Eurotower is now exactly half way. At least we have some idea of the height of the smaller tower (13 levels) and also double up to get an idea on the big ones full height of 26 floors. :)

long foot

May 27th, 2005, 08:56 AM

I have 3 new pics of TMK 2200, got them yesterday from a photographer in one daily newspaper ;) Dont tell it to anyone :D

Sorry for high resolution, I am at work where I don't have any resizing program :(

http://img287.echo.cx/img287/5530/tramvaj224053xi.jpg
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/8282/tramvaj24054vp.jpg
http://img281.echo.cx/img281/769/tramvaj324055ir.jpg

bubach_hlubach

May 27th, 2005, 11:32 AM

^^^ :applause:
Lijepe fotkice naseg novog tramvajceka, svaka cast, majstore :)
Samo mi nemoj reci da si osobno upoznao Tomu Bacica ili 'Bubacha' :D

p.s. thanks for re-posting the pics of the Hypo Alpe Adria complex which i btw really like, even though it's got a weird looking black-dark gray facade, i think the whole structure will look amazing after completition :)

long foot

May 27th, 2005, 05:24 PM

Almeria – 2nd floor growing :)

These black frames are borrowed from Stevan ;)

http://img173.echo.cx/img173/4867/p12900049gu.jpg
http://img173.echo.cx/img173/5663/p12900054ln.jpg
http://img173.echo.cx/img173/6500/p12900065xq.jpg
http://img173.echo.cx/img173/1726/p12900070du.jpg
http://img173.echo.cx/img173/715/p12900086ys.jpg
http://img173.echo.cx/img173/8919/p12900090xf.jpg
http://img173.echo.cx/img173/2342/p12900107ba.jpg

About the site next to Almeria that I mentioned few days ago – I was wrong, nothing is U/C yet, they just completely cleaned the site. No info board. It could be very huge project, because site is very large.

The site between new VMD building and Centarprojekt is being cleaned too ;)

mic of Orion

May 27th, 2005, 10:29 PM

great LF, nice update on Almeria, looking forward to this project....

The thing that concerns most people is the high unemployment rate. Thats something the current government must change otherwise it will cost them the next election. How does CRO compare to other similar countries that recently joined EU. Do you think a "YES" from the EU will lead to more greenfield investments?

As to present government in Croatia; they haven't got an economic program to speak of, they continued on what previous government had done, if this government where to be pushed out, it wouldn't make difference on Croatian economic outlook. I think this government lack's credibility and wouldn't last beyond 2006, I predict new general elections by November 2006 at the latest.

Croatia in comparison to other countries that just joined EU!?
Croatia is about the same as Hungary and Czech Republic, macro-economically it is doing better than most but in terms of micro-economics it is still lagging a bit behind. Croatian living standard is going slowly up, I am puzzled how slow it has reached its 1990 level and now at 13400$ is behind some Central European countries, example, Slovakia has 14100$, Hungary 14600$, Estonia 13500$, Slovenia 20400$, Czech R. 15600$...

In 1990 Croatia had same living standard as Spain, better than Greece and Portugal and about the same as Slovenia. If you want some indication how Croatia should have been, look at Slovenia and subtract 500$ and there it is.

Would EU entry guaranty more Greenfield investments well it is not as simple as that? (Croatia is already candidate for EU membership and talks should start in June). Bulgaria and Romania despite being in in last phase of EU negotiations have attracted dismal FDI, primarily cose of there legal framework, corruption (which in Romania is chronic) and lack of taxation, infrastructure and socio-political incentives.

Croatia attracts more FDI than Romania despite being only fifth the size; it all lies in political, socio-economic and infrastructure predicaments. Croatia has started to attract Greenfield investment.

In past few years about 50 000 jobs have been created by this form of investment alone, Brownfield investment is responsible for another 50 000 jobs, and re-investment is creating even more jobs. Country could do better but it'll take more than just political incentives. Socio-economic reforms, taxation and anti corruption legislation must be enforced with ruthless efficiency. Croatia is no longer corrupt country as much or as it was say 5-6 years ago, actually now it is quite decent country, still corruption and bureaucratic legislations are primary reason for well less than satisfactory Greenfield investments.

But it started to move and this year alone Greenfield investment will account for about 1/3rd of all investments in Croatia (around 550-700 mill$), still way behind Czech R, Slovakia and Poland but hey it is a start. Croatia attracts more FDI than most central European countries (pre head) and this is constant and new investment, which is no longer the case in most Central European countries, Slovakia, Czech R, and Poland being exemptions.

Other Central European economics are attracting FDI but primarily it is re-investment and Brownfield investments... :) :)

PS, ------- As To Zagreb, I have just made some calculations, and you would be happy to know, most of current building boom in offices in Zagreb is dues to the domestic demand, currently under construction some 400 000 sq. m of office space, I think this is barely adequate, Hypo-Alpe Adria bank which is Croatian Austrian Bank is building its regional and international HQ in Zagreb, they might move everything to Zagreb from Klagenfurt in Austria with in 5 years anyways, there new plush offices in Zagreb would just cover there needs say in 5 years time looking how fast they are expanding, Earste Bank is moving its international corporate HQ to Zagreb along with all call centres for the bank and only marketing, sales and Austrian corporate HQ will remain in Vienna. Italian Banks which own Croatian banks have already set up there regional HQ's in Zagreb and examples like Generaly Insurance and Alianz Insurance which are looking to set up there regional HQ for all of central and eastern Europe in Zagreb only re-enforces this trend.

I think foreign demand for office space by 2010 could be over 1 million sq. m and this is average estimate, if you consider that over next 5 years in average 200 new foreign firms will open office in Zagreb (about 5000 staff in all per year) we are talking by 2010 well over million sq. m for just this demand, we are not talking of government demand.

Talking of Baltic, Polish, Czech and Slovakian Experiences, Zagreb will probably by 2010 have at least 50-75 000 foreigners working in the city, primarily in offices, add to this Croatian staff, unemployment in Zagreb which is atm only 7.5% will fall drastically by 2010 and as a result many ppl from other parts of Croatia would start to move to the city for work, by 2010, I am thinking Zagreb might brake 1 million inhabitants or 1.4 million metro area (might!).

We might think now it is inadequate in terms of space but in 5 years time you'll ce a lot more construction, a lot more, this is where I ce Hoto's logic... :cheers:

long foot

May 28th, 2005, 03:52 PM

PS, ------- As To Zagreb, I have just made some calculations, and you would be happy to know, most of current building boom in offices in Zagreb is dues to the domestic demand, currently under construction some 400 000 sq. m of office space, I think this is barely adequate, Hypo-Alpe Adria bank which is Croatian Austrian Bank is building its regional and international HQ in Zagreb, they might move everything to Zagreb from Klagenfurt in Austria with in 5 years anyways

That is exactly what I heard too – Hypo's new building in Slavonska avenija in Zagreb will be their largest building in Europe and it is probaly their new European HQ. If you ask why they would move their HQ from Klagenfurt to Zagreb, answer is simple: Croatian working stuff is much cheaper than in Austria, people here are well educated, they speak foreign languages and after all, in Croatia we have macroeconomic stability for a years now.

Talking of Baltic, Polish, Czech and Slovakian Experiences, Zagreb will probably by 2010 have at least 50-75 000 foreigners working in the city, primarily in offices, add to this Croatian staff, unemployment in Zagreb which is atm only 7.5% will fall drastically by 2010 and as a result many ppl from other parts of Croatia would start to move to the city for work, by 2010, I am thinking Zagreb might brake 1 million inhabitants or 1.4 million metro area (might!).

According to Zagreb police department, last year Zagreb had 30.000 foreigners working in the city, but that number is probably bigger, becouse of many unregistered Chineses, Romanians, Kosovars, Bosniaks and others who illegaly work here for many years.
But I think all statistics about Zagreb's population are wrong. According to official sources, in 2001. Zagreb had some 850.000 inhabitants, but the truth is that we have at least 200.000 more people here - foreigners, students and workers from other Croatian provinces (like me), who officialy don't live here, but they actualy do.

We might think now it is inadequate in terms of space but in 5 years time you'll ce a lot more construction, a lot more, this is where I ce Hoto's logic... :cheers:

5 years is a lot of time. I remember, 5 years ago you coudn't see construction site in Zagreb, but situation is now different. And if we compare Zagreb before the war and now, Jesus Christ, it is not the same city. Just imagine how is it going to look like in 2020!

OettingerCroat

May 28th, 2005, 09:13 PM

I'm of optimistic nature and thus predict somewhat better result for this year than most economist did so far, I except Export will surge with high growths as they did in past 2 years and expect them to reach 9.54 Bn. US$ CIF, Imports will stagnate and growth of 4.5% would be somewhat optimistic predicament. Current account balance will end with 4.5% of GDP in red and government has already curtailed on its spending negative fact about this is they borrowed significant amount to cover this holes, despite its pledges to control and halt to any additional (foreign) debt to the state which now stands at 9.5Bn SU$ they clearly didn't keep up the promise and 1,1 Bn. Euros could be borrowed this year by issuing Euro-Bonds on Frankfurt and Zagreb Stock exchanges. Well this is almost a fact as Government has issued 500 million Euro Bonds in April and will do so the same in October/November.

Although Central Government has no problems it repaying its obligation (Croatian sovereign credit rating now stands at BBB) as 8.7Bn US$ in its foreign exchange reserves more than cover any central government borrowing this is not the case with commercial banks which are largely foreign owned and can easily reinvest there money by raising money at there home branches (which is considered commercial foreign debt), something government wants to curtail and by asking National Bank to increase secured deposits with that institutions to 50% of overall borrowing Banks would have hard time in bringing cash from abroad and reinvigorate domestic landing which is one of the least used resources in Central Europe despite being healthiest and most successful so far. It is estimated Croatian Banks, financial funds and pension funds have over 20BnUS$ ready for domestic landings and only small portion of this is ever used, main reason being higher interest rates than those in EU, In Croatia average landing interest rate to commercial sector is around 5.5%, where's to the public and individuals is over 7.5% and in some cases 8%PA.

I'm of the opinion government policy will work and as a result higher growth is expected in 3rd and 4th Quarter, with average being over 5%, in on annual level GDP would hit 4..25% as a result. FDI (Foreign Direct Investment) will start to pick up and Greenfield investment will show as major contributor in job creation. Croatian GDP I estimate will hit 224.5Bn HRK this year or 40BnSU$ giving Croatia an income per head of (PHA)9000US$ or PPP (Purchasing Power Parity) of 13400US$.

i don't understand... The CIA World Factbook said that in 2001, Per Capita income was $8800 US, in 2002 it was $9,800, 2003 saw $10,700, and the preliminary 2004 data says $11,200. It'll be $12,200 by years end.

Croatia's total GDP in 2004 hit $50.4 billion US. Orion, where'd you get data predicting per capita GDP of only $9000?

If Croatia is $9000 US, give me some comparisons, like, what's Slovenia, Slovakia, Hungary, or Estonia? $9000 seems really low.

or is purchasing power parity the same thing as the numbers i posted?

OettingerCroat

May 28th, 2005, 09:19 PM

OH ok now i see, the CIA page isnt organized too well...

you really think it will hit $13,400 US? That's third only to Slovenia and Estonia! WOW! I'd REALLY like that to happen!

mic of Orion

May 28th, 2005, 10:01 PM

OH ok now i see, the CIA page isnt organized too well...

you really think it will hit $13,400 US? That's third only to Slovenia and Estonia! WOW! I'd REALLY like that to happen!

CIA page is a bit lacking in economics department, to calculate PPP is very easy, you just need to know what's the average annual pay (NET preferably) in set country, you calculate average cost of living, average price for top 100-150 products including utilities and consumption such as foods. Than you do comparative expense with Germany or USA and we derive to this magic figure of PPP, not very difficult at all, lol... But CIA probably uses there own model which might also include poverty rate, health coverage, water and natural gas coverage/consumption.

These indicators are often inaccurate and therefore are sometimes misleading factors in one's country performance, Example, Spain has very low gas and heating oil consumption cose of being southern country where winters are short and mild and summer are long and hot, therefore no requirement for such expenditures, or Japan's consumption of fish rather than read meat, or in Croatia (and all of Balkans) they use poverty rate (which is obsolete), most likely they use 1995/6 figures when poverty rate was high in most parts of former Yugoslavia, but today Croatia has one of the lowest poverty rates in Central Europe with only 6.5% of population, in comparison US Poverty rate of 13.2%...

CIA PPP data in my opinion is as accurate as intelligence on Iraq's WMD... lol

There is very good formula which works best, calculate annual pay in one country and multiply it with 1.28 for 75% of EU average price, 1.56 for 50% of EU average price and 1.05 for 100% of EU average price... :)

i don't understand... The CIA World Factbook said that in 2001, Per Capita income was $8800 US, in 2002 it was $9,800, 2003 saw $10,700, and the preliminary 2004 data says $11,200. It'll be $12,200 by years end.

Croatia's total GDP in 2004 hit $50.4 billion US. Orion, where'd you get data predicting per capita GDP of only $9000?

If Croatia is $9000 US, give me some comparisons, like, what's Slovenia, Slovakia, Hungary, or Estonia? $9000 seems really low.

or is purchasing power parity the same thing as the numbers i posted?

Sorry, just saw your top massage,

there is a huge difference btw PPP$ and Income Per Head Annum or PHA$ in GDP calculations, PPP or Purchasing Power Parity is estimated living standard in one country, in terms of purchasing power of entire populace.

CIA is using PPP$ indicators not PHA indicators in there data, in PPP indicators unemployment rate plays significant role, say Croatian unemployment was half of what is it today (14.4%) Croatian PPP indicators would be about 16400US$ or 3000$ on top of what current indictors show, whereas PHA actually show you true economic picture in one country, to give you an example, only Slovenia has crossed 10 000$ PHA line by 2004, all other CE countries have lower PHA well below 10 000$, and Croatian estimate of 9000US$ PHA for 2005 is still higher than Slovakian Polish, Estonia well all of central European countries with the exception of Hungary and Czech Republic which have similar or slightly larger PHA indicators.

So what CIA uses is not entirely true, but are good indicators of living standard to some extent. I prefer to use PHA indicators not because in this Croatia outperforms almost every country in central Europe but because they are more predictable, accurate and often give you some good idea of the countries economic performance.

HDI (UN economic indicators) or Human development index is best estimate of living standard in one country by far, but the data is hard to get by as they are done only once every 10 years, the reason why it is so, it is extremely complex set of indicators and researches on one country and the data envelops more than 1000 different statistical anomalies and researches, it way to complex to be completed in 1-3 or even 5 year term. Croatian HDI indicator is 0.855 or after Czech Republic and Slovenia highest in Central and Eastern Europe, Slovene is 0.872 and Czech is 0.864. Best HDI is I thin in Luxemburg and Norway, I think Norway has highest and it is 0.942.

US I forgot, it could be around 0.932 or something it is in top 10 or 20 countries, I know that.

Under HDI indicator, only countries which cross 0.900 are considered developed countries, or post industrial developed countries, it is sort of exclusive club in which about 30 countries have secured there membership if you have it...

Croatia is medium developed country under this ( international benchmark) rule and it is no longer considered poor or developing country as it was the case when it was part of Yugoslavia.

Only countries exceeding 6000US$ PHA are considered medium developed countries. 12000$ is minimum requirement for post industrial economies which Croatia will officially enter by the end of this decade (well already is - but official statistics will need to confirm this in 2011).

Income per head of some CE economies in US$

Slovenia - 16 400
Croatia - 9250
Czech R. - 10 750
Hungary 10 400
Slovakia - 8350
Poland - 8250
Estonia - 8350
Latvia - 5600
Lithuania - 6200
Bosnia - 2250

mic of Orion

May 29th, 2005, 01:03 AM

guys I need your support for Central European forum, thanx,,,,

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=217854

mic of Orion

May 29th, 2005, 02:17 AM

That is exactly what I heard too – Hypo's new building in Slavonska avenija in Zagreb will be their largest building in Europe and it is probably their new European HQ. If you ask why they would move their HQ from Klagenfurt to Zagreb, answer is simple: Croatian working stuff is much cheaper than in Austria, people here are well educated, they speak foreign languages and after all, in Croatia we have macroeconomic stability for a years now.

Also you forgot it is Croatian Bank too, well when Hypo bought Alpe Adria Bank they took there name as well, well it was merger, anyways they all along had plans to move to Zagreb, after all Klagenfurt is provincial city in Austria with barely 100 000 inhabitants, Zagreb is capitol city of country in which Austrians showed massive interest, (Croatia is perhaps best rated country in Austria with 800 000 Austrians going on holiday there each year, it is also most popular tourist destination).

According to Zagreb police department, last year Zagreb had 30.000 foreigners working in the city, but that number is probably bigger, becouse of many unregistered Chineses, Romanians, Kosovars, Bosniaks and others who illegaly work here for many years.
But I think all statistics about Zagreb's population are wrong. According to official sources, in 2001. Zagreb had some 850.000 inhabitants, but the truth is that we have at least 200.000 more people here - foreigners, students and workers from other Croatian provinces (like me), who officially don't live here, but they actually do.

I meant legal workers, West Europeans, Americans, Japanise and so on, I know many Hungarians, Slovaks, Bosnians and other Eastern Europeans work in Croatia mostly illegally (pays being one driving motivation) but I meant in finance, service and tourism sectors, representative offices and banking as well as other sectors, like trade, industry and so on.... Look at Czech R, Slovakia, Poland that kind of stuff.

5 years is a lot of time. I remember, 5 years ago you couldn't see construction site in Zagreb, but situation is now different. And if we compare Zagreb before the war and now, Jesus Christ, it is not the same city. Just imagine how is it going to look like in 2020!

I believe you. lol... :) :cheers:

Kommandant Mark

May 29th, 2005, 05:52 AM

Hey Mike, you're good with numbers...

think "we" can beat this?

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/9/2716/m2716619.jpg

mic of Orion

May 29th, 2005, 07:04 AM

Hey Mike, you're good with numbers...

think "we" can beat this?

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/9/2716/m2716619.jpg

lol, KM, don't know, Poland is unstoppable, they are oozing with vigour and confidence only asserted by tiger economies, talk to Pole's (I have few very good Polish friends here in London) they all talk Poland this Poland that, and it is quite tiresome sometimes, but I admit they are doing great in terms of investment and entrepreneurial spirit. Look at Warsaw and Poznan, Gdansk and Krakow, they are brimming with confidence and new business.

But I am just disappointed they haven't built one large airport serving Krakow and Katovice, it would be great competition to Warsaw and would be (well in my opinion) major airport with in 10-15 years this way they are loosing great potential...
:)

OettingerCroat

May 29th, 2005, 08:13 AM

Income per head of some CE economies in US$

Slovenia - 16 400
Croatia - 9250
Czech R. - 10 750
Hungary 10 400
Slovakia - 8350
Poland - 8250
Estonia - 8350
Latvia - 5600
Lithuania - 6200
Bosnia - 2250

so basically ur saying that croatia is on par or easily exceeding every other central european country, other than Slovenia? that's really cool!

i honestly think standards in croatia are nearly like spain/portugal/greece, maybe even italy. then again, zagreb may easily be at maybe 17,500, but those rural areas inland, in Slavonija , where all they do is farm, may really bring those numbers down, unfortunately.

mic of Orion

May 29th, 2005, 08:53 AM

so basically ur saying that croatia is on par or easily exceeding every other central european country, other than Slovenia? that's really cool!

i honestly think standards in croatia are nearly like spain/portugal/greece, maybe even italy. then again, zagreb may easily be at maybe 17,500, but those rural areas inland, in Slavonija , where all they do is farm, may really bring those numbers down, unfortunately.

True, Slavonia is very poor part of Croatia.

I think this is how picture looks in Croatia atm, economic oputpoot by regions, Zagorje region ecompases - Bjelovar, Koprivnica, Cakeovec, Krapina and Varazdin, Banovina - Regions of Karlovac and Sisak, Primorje - Rijeka, Gospic and Pula Regions.

Slavonia - 9.5% - GDP 3.800 million US$ - PHA - 5050$
Zagorje - 12.8% - GDP 5.200 million US$ - PHA - 7440$
Banovina - 4.0% - GDP - 1.600 million US$ - PHA - 5350$
Primorje - 15.5% - GDP - 6.200 million US$ - PHA - 10350$
Dalmatia - 18% - GDP - 7.200 million US$ - PHA - 7200$
Zagreb - 40.2% - GDP - 16 250 million US$ - PHA - 14750$

The difference in living standard is quite obvious, where's average for Croatia is 9250, most are below this average... :cheers:

My Estimates for 2010,

Slavonia - 9.5% - GDP 5.700 million US$ - PHA - 7150$
Zagorje - 12.8% - GDP 7.700 million US$ - PHA - 11040$
Banovina - 4.0% - GDP - 2.400 million US$ - PHA - 8050$
Primorje - 15.5% - GDP - 9.300 million US$ - PHA - 15550$
Dalmatia - 18% - GDP - 10.900 million US$ - PHA - 10900$
Zagreb - 40.2% - GDP - 24.250 million US$ - PHA - 21750$

Croatian Avrage in 2010, 13500US$...

OettingerCroat

May 29th, 2005, 09:00 AM

mic of Orion

May 29th, 2005, 09:14 AM

i didnt know dalmatia was that backward... i thought all that tourism would make it super wealthy.

and Croatia realy needs to advertise itslef more. Croatia i think is makin 1 billion USD off tourism, when they could EASILY make 10 billion. it would be so super rich croatia is fuckers like sanader stop lining their own pockets and put some emphasis on their country like the Social Democrats did. With the Socialists, Croatia's GDP grew 5% annualy, now with the conservatives its only at 3.5%, and thats unacceptable in a country like croatia that needs continuous economic booming like what the Socialists were providing.

actually Croatia is making around 10bn. US$ from tourism, but much of it is spent paying off foreign loans, lol. well not exactly, lol, but much goes to government coffers and is spent... Croatia has some of the best infrastructure in central Europe as a result of all this money and tourism. Last time I was in Croatia way back in 2000 and I'll go back this year for a week in August, looking forward to that, but from this forum you can easily find how well country is doing and it is not bad, although I do admit current government is shitty at best.

But it is better than Tudjman HDZ which destroyed Croatia, it almost bankrupted country and if it did continue as it was in 1992-1999 Croatia would now be very poor and very much like Columbia or Venezuela, where 200 richest families control all resources of the country and run the country like there little private Eldorado...

thankfully decrepit twat has deceased and now ||Croatia has fully developed democracy, market economy and on a way to EU membership, not bad for 5 years of hard work... :) :cheers:

long foot

May 29th, 2005, 01:11 PM

Nice economic discution, guys, but I am going back to topic ;)

Strossmayer is back now, completely renovated:

http://img224.echo.cx/img224/2173/picture1051ga.jpg
http://img224.echo.cx/img224/9384/picture1067uv.jpg
http://img224.echo.cx/img224/2113/picture1070oh.jpg
http://img224.echo.cx/img224/7197/picture1083sj.jpg
http://img224.echo.cx/img224/1851/picture1093va.jpg
http://img224.echo.cx/img224/4305/picture1125sw.jpg
http://img224.echo.cx/img224/5974/picture1135pa.jpg

They renovated the whole square, but it is nothing special:
http://img224.echo.cx/img224/6418/picture1145wa.jpg
http://img224.echo.cx/img224/1406/picture1159rm.jpg
http://img224.echo.cx/img224/9093/picture1178zv.jpg

long foot

May 29th, 2005, 02:00 PM

Novi Zagreb – the new metropolis of Croatia ;)

MSU update:
http://img94.echo.cx/img94/3361/picture0973mw.jpg
http://img94.echo.cx/img94/4449/picture0910or.jpg
http://img94.echo.cx/img94/4396/picture0921am.jpg
http://img94.echo.cx/img94/4845/picture0953so.jpg
http://img94.echo.cx/img94/1365/picture0968zf.jpg
http://img94.echo.cx/img94/4997/picture0983ls.jpg
http://img94.echo.cx/img94/8512/picture1902uk.jpg

boots

May 29th, 2005, 06:07 PM

Hello everybody im glad i found this forum hope to spend many hours with u guys p.s. some help with posting the photos please - how to do it? :)

long foot

May 29th, 2005, 06:29 PM

Hello everybody im glad i found this forum hope to spend many hours with u guys p.s. some help with posting the photos please - how to do it? :)

Welcome to forum Boots :)

First of all, your image must be uploaded on Internet. This forum doesn't allow you to upload picture here, so you must go to some other site. People mostly use http://www.imageshack.us for uploading. When you upaload your picture, copy url, and paste it between and

It should look like this name of your photo

And then click on "Submit reply".

boots

May 29th, 2005, 07:59 PM

ok here goes nothing :)
http://img206.echo.cx/img206/8628/zgpetlja0vi.th.jpg

long foot

May 29th, 2005, 08:22 PM

Boots, I enlarged your panorama ;)
http://img206.echo.cx/img206/8628/zgpetlja0vi.jpg

This pic has nothing to do with Zagreb update thread, but it shows biggest junction in ZG – intersection Slavonska/Držićeva.

boots

May 29th, 2005, 11:29 PM

thanx 4 enlarging it btw how did u do it?I know it has nothing to do with the thread i just wanted to share it

gwinczlav

May 30th, 2005, 12:08 AM

New trends in world's lifestyle. Be cool. Live 2 meters from the highway. Breathe exhaust gasses all day long. Your coffey days are over cause here's noise. You'll be awake all day long. That's progress people, coffeine is bad for heart anyway.

http://img124.echo.cx/img124/7587/zgpetlja0vimodified6np.jpg

Don't you feel bad for people living in that building?
:bash:

SinCity

May 30th, 2005, 02:59 AM

Firstly, a "BIG WARM WELCOME" to our newest members ......

"Boots" :)
"OettingerCroat" :)

Hope to see you guys here often .... :yes:

I go away for the weekand and return to find new members and some interesting economic discussions and of course ....... great pics from the master Mr Long Foot. :)

SinCity

May 30th, 2005, 03:17 AM

Almeria – 2nd floor growing :)

http://img173.echo.cx/img173/8919/p12900090xf.jpg
http://img173.echo.cx/img173/2342/p12900107ba.jpg

About the site next to Almeria that I mentioned few days ago – I was wrong, nothing is U/C yet, they just completely cleaned the site. No info board. It could be very huge project, because site is very large.

The site between new VMD building and Centarprojekt is being cleaned too ;)

Thanks for the pics Mr Long Foot! Its nice to see Almeria on Level 2 being built. :yes: I also noticed that its rather close to the street which is what I like. Gives more of an impact than being set too far back.

Thats great on the 2 new sites currently being cleared. Its more office buildings and I more so keen to find out the next project VMD are planning for their site. Their buildings keep getting bigger and better. :)

SinCity

May 30th, 2005, 03:23 AM

That is exactly what I heard too – Hypo's new building in Slavonska avenija in Zagreb will be their largest building in Europe and it is probaly their new European HQ. If you ask why they would move their HQ from Klagenfurt to Zagreb, answer is simple: Croatian working stuff is much cheaper than in Austria, people here are well educated, they speak foreign languages and after all, in Croatia we have macroeconomic stability for a years now.

According to Zagreb police department, last year Zagreb had 30.000 foreigners working in the city, but that number is probably bigger, becouse of many unregistered Chineses, Romanians, Kosovars, Bosniaks and others who illegaly work here for many years.
But I think all statistics about Zagreb's population are wrong. According to official sources, in 2001. Zagreb had some 850.000 inhabitants, but the truth is that we have at least 200.000 more people here - foreigners, students and workers from other Croatian provinces (like me), who officialy don't live here, but they actualy do.

5 years is a lot of time. I remember, 5 years ago you coudn't see construction site in Zagreb, but situation is now different. And if we compare Zagreb before the war and now, Jesus Christ, it is not the same city. Just imagine how is it going to look like in 2020!

Thats great news on Hypo Alpe Adria Bank! Looks like it will fully become a Croatian Bank in time, especially if Zagreb becomes its new HQs .... :yes:

This is one of the biggest banks in Central Europe?

In regards to Zagreb's population, it would be interesting to know the exact number, but anyway things are really, really rapidly improving for Zagreb. Looks like its finally regaining its status as one of the most important cities in the region both financially and economically. :D

Thats why according to my calculations, Zagreb will need at least up to another 1 million square metres of office space if you compare it to other similar sized capitals in the next decade. :yes:

SinCity

May 30th, 2005, 03:27 AM

Novi Zagreb – the new metropolis of Croatia ;)

MSU update:
http://img94.echo.cx/img94/8512/picture1902uk.jpg

Looks great, another one moving along nicely. :)

SinCity

May 30th, 2005, 03:28 AM

ok here goes nothing :)
http://img206.echo.cx/img206/8628/zgpetlja0vi.th.jpg

Fantastic pic of the Zagreb interchange. I never new it looked so huge from above. :)

SinCity

May 30th, 2005, 05:18 AM

Zagreb Traffic ..... :ohno: .....

Crazy. Traffic chaos as Purgers return from their long weekend break on the coast .....

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/050529/zag-kolona-txtz.jpg

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/regions/zagreb/298732/index.do

SinCity

May 30th, 2005, 05:22 AM

Results are now beggining to come in on the competition for a new Croatian Parliament House which will house all existing government departments under the one roof ...

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/050529/zag-vlada-txt.jpg

Part of the traffic issues with Zagreb is that the current parliament is located deep in the city centre. To be exact its located in the "Upper City" district which overlooks downtown Zagreb. Currently the Croatian government is spread out over 30 various buildings in the city centre, thereby contributing its own fair share of traffic and parking problems in the historic centre of Zagreb.

The new site is located up against the Sava River facing "New Zagreb" and in front of the growing new CBD of Zagreb. To be exact the site lies south of Croatian TV HQs and in between the "Freedom Bridge" and the "Kockica" (former HQs of the Croatian League of Communists building).

Its being described as the project of the century. While no concrete date has been set, its anticipate the project will be long term in the planning and development due to its importance and vastness.

The total size is 100,000 sqms of floor space, while the front of the building is likely to be 300 metres long! :yes:

One of the reasons why this project will be long term is because of another important Zagreb project. The eventual regulation of the flow of the Sava River so as to remove all threats of any future flooding and to also free up all land on both its northern and southern banks for development. :)

News in Croatian ....
http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/regions/zagreb/298684/index.do