Speak and show your pictures made by you DSLR!!! Discuss about lenses and any other thing here! (Canon users Wellcome! :rofl: )

I want to share with all of you that finally I got a great WIDE angle! The Tokina 12-24 mm. I hope I would take amazing pictures of skyscrapers with it! :D

http://jiki.pbase.com/u26/urbandave/upload/43244385.BCN119.JPG

http://jiki.pbase.com/u26/urbandave/upload/43244574.BCN123.JPG

http://jiki.pbase.com/u26/urbandave/upload/43244088.BCN96.JPG

Speak and show your pictures made by you DSLR!!! Discuss about lenses and any other thing here! (Canon users Wellcome! :rofl: )

I want to share with all of you that finally I got a great WIDE angle! The Tokina 12-24 mm. I hope I would take amazing pictures of skyscrapers with it! :D

http://jiki.pbase.com/u26/urbandave/upload/43244385.BCN119.JPG

http://jiki.pbase.com/u26/urbandave/upload/43244574.BCN123.JPG

http://jiki.pbase.com/u26/urbandave/upload/43244088.BCN96.JPG

The PhantoM reporting . I've got a canon Digital Rebel, i'll share my pics later. BTW your pics don't work

No pics Urban!
I hope to be soon a member of this corner...

dave, I can't see your pictures too.

Me still a DSLR newbie and learning. These are some pictures taken using D70 (bought in Mar 05) :)

Using 70-300mm lens
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4977/dsc33394fm.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4578/work3qm.jpg

Using 18-70mm lens
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6/dsc33251lb.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3850/dsc38830xk.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6886/dsc38988yn.jpg

Using 50mm lens
http://img175.echo.cx/img175/8521/dsc41760ax.jpg

i'm about to buy a Canon 300d and when i do, watch out :-) the pictures will start pouring in...

Thanks for the advise! My pics dont' work. I will try to solve it ASAP ;)

http://img42.echo.cx/img42/7650/43243664bcn1166wb.jpg
http://img42.echo.cx/img42/2250/43244088bcn960jj.jpg
http://img42.echo.cx/img42/9675/43244385bcn1191mp.jpg
http://img42.echo.cx/img42/2665/43244574bcn1233xx.jpg

As you see, I love EXTREME WIDE ANGLES :D

Nice!!!

Ohh...spying your neighbors in summer? :naughty:
http://img42.echo.cx/img42/2250/43244088bcn960jj.jpg

Sorry gohcan, no horny girls as neigbours :(

My two attempts in playing around with DOF? :D

http://img206.echo.cx/img206/5032/img00183s1xp.jpg

This one was taken later in the day...

http://img206.echo.cx/img206/6990/img00257s2jy.jpg

do they have a pulse?

by the long looks on their face, i guess not!

:rofl:
Which is the maxim aperture of you lense? Well, the one used with this photos? (I can't read the file exif! :( )

:D

Aperture range of my lens? 3.5-6.3. Anyway, here is are the details for both photos:

First one:
Aperture: 6.3
Shuttle: 1/40
Focal length: 200mm
ISO: 200

Second one:
Aperture: 5
Shuttle: 1/6
Focal length: 60mm
ISO: 400

A friend of mine (and forumer, as arquitaja) has the Nikkor 50mm 1.8 and the DOF is SOOOO SHORT. You can get amazing portraits :D And it's not an expensive lense.

Nah....I am not into extensive portrait shots to invest in such a lens. :D

Here's mine:

Nikkor 24-120mm VR Lens

http://www.miliux.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/Colour%20Plot.jpg

http://www.miliux.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/DJ%20Booth.jpg

http://www.miliux.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/Ray-2.jpg

some pics with my new canon 300D/digital rebel:

with 28-80mm lens and UV filter...

http://www.pbase.com/mancusoj/image/42480614.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mancusoj/image/41803068.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mancusoj/image/41864077.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/mancusoj/image/41803060.jpg

Impressive pic matrixvolta and jmancuso
@huaiwei: The Nikorr 50 mm cost about 120$ or 140$ :D At least something in photography is "cheap"! Because you can find some Polarized filters for the same price as this lense.

Six days ago, I just bought my first DSLR camera, a Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ5, 5.0 MP and x12 optical zoom. Also a 512 MB SD Card.

I am a absolute beginers, so I have no idea at all how to use in the manual mode, but I remember that the aperture was up to 8.0 :lol:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/altind/Picture056-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/altind/Picture058-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/altind/Picture060.jpg

What's the best way to take night pictures of stationary objects (with tripod), like skyline; leave it all to the camera's "night schenery" mode (ISO 80, flash Off, 8 sec exposure time) or should I program manually the camera?

My camera has also a TIF mode. Do I really benefit in pic quality (image size apart) if I record the images in this format?

Altind: I guess in the beginning the preset mode is good, to get to know your camera. I would advise you though to experiment with different shutterspeeds, because sometimes 8 second exposures dont generate the desired effect. Some camera's even have a bulb function, which means the shutter stays open as long as you hold down the button, up to 999 seconds (on the EOS 350D). Obviously for nightshots you would need a remote, otherwise the movement of the camera due to pressing down the shutter-release button would create a blurry shot, but its more of an indication that there's more than 8 seconds ;)

I don't know how it works with your Panasonic, but with the 350D, in manual mode shooting Manually isn't all that hard really, and you learn loads. In the viewfinder, and on the lcd-display as well, there is a meter kind of thing which shows whether your shot is underexposed or overexposed, and when you change the aperture/shutterspeed, you see the meter move around. For nightshots though, you might want to ignore that meter, because you want to play around with certain light-effects.

This is what I like about DSLRs:

Resized image:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/th0mm/lenscap.jpg

100% crop:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/th0mm/lenscapcrop.jpg

This was a test shot that I shot handheld, indoors.

By the way, how and where can you see the exif data of your pictures?

exif data? All the apertures and stuff? If you use Microsoft OS, just right click on the picture file, choose properties, and then details. :D

Six days ago, I just bought my first DSLR camera, a Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ5, 5.0 MP and x12 optical zoom. Also a 512 MB SD Card.

I am a absolute beginers, so I have no idea at all how to use in the manual mode, but I remember that the aperture was up to 8.0 :lol:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/altind/Picture056-1.jpg
Jeez...you took these shots in auto mode?! They are really beautiful!

^ Thank you sir. :D

BTW as Chinese, how authentic you consider the decorations on that picture. That is a new shopping mall and one of the courts is Chinese themed, both in structure and decoration, the ship is lifesize (only the first pic, the other two are from the indian court).

The panasonic is not a DSLR, isn't? DSLR has interchangeble lenses.
Best way to night scenary is or manual or the mode, that it's good for you say, but maybe 8seconds are too few! And always, noise reduction mode ON!

Download Opanda exif, and it's extension for firefox in www.opanda.com :D

^ Thank you sir. :D

BTW as Chinese, how authentic you consider the decorations on that picture. That is a new shopping mall and one of the courts is Chinese themed, both in structure and decoration, the ship is lifesize (only the first pic, the other two are from the indian court).
Whoops...Urban Dave is probably right...you might be having a prosumer cam afterall!

But still, I am very much bowled over by those shots. The colours are dazzling! If I have a cam capable of producing such shots in auto mode, I wont bother ever switching to manual! :D

As for the "authenticity", I am not an expert in Chinese art, but yeah, it appears that the colours and styles chosen were more or less alright, and do compliment the ship pretty well. Nice place! ;)

About the camera, there is no doubt is really good!!! Colour and image are great!

What's the best way to take night pictures of stationary objects (with tripod), like skyline; leave it all to the camera's "night schenery" mode (ISO 80, flash Off, 8 sec exposure time) or should I program manually the camera?

My camera has also a TIF mode. Do I really benefit in pic quality (image size apart) if I record the images in this format?

There isn't a right way to take pictures. For more control, you should be using the manual mode. How much you dial in will largely depend on the scene. For 135 format, it can be anything from 8 secs to 30 secs usually.

Using Tiff allows you to post edit your images without any loss in quality. It gives you better control in producing the final image.

The panasonic is not a DSLR, isn't? DSLR has interchangeble lenses.


SLR stands for single lens reflex(defines how light is being reflected to the viewfinder from the lens) and has nothing to do with interchangable lenses. Early DSLRs from Olympus (E10 and E20) has fixed lens on them.

And the Panasonic features the "light reflected wiewfinder"?
Anyway a DSLR should be considered more than this, what about aperture and the possiblity of DOF? Many advanced compact digital cameras can control the aperture, but it's so limitaded. My old 885 Nikon Coolpix only had two values of aperture. "open and close"

http://www.pbase.com/urbandave/salo_automovil&page=all
Pictures of cars! Many pictures were took with my brand new Tokina 12-24, an amazing lens!!!!! Just an example!
http://www.pbase.com/urbandave/image/43356929/large.jpg

Huaha! Yellow fever! :D

Did you use PS? What tools were used to tweak it? I ofen wonder what is the best mix and even sequence of tools to use...

I just resized the image, and then applied a small Focus Mask (I dont' know the exact command in english... is a default filter of PS)

Who needs this:

http://img71.echo.cx/img71/5268/eos3up.jpg

:eek:

This camera belongs to a Dutch forumer

Eos 300D Black with a sigma.... but wich one?

^ If you mean "... which forumer", then is "Michiel".

Ok, my FZ5 isn't really a DSLR, but anyway:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/altind/P1000122-1.jpg

.... taken with x12 optical zoom (max), in "Schenery - Night Schene" as a TIFF format, then PS and re-sized. The distance is some 4 km away, maybe more.

AltinD, I was refering to wich lense has the camera.
The picture looks nice! Maybe it has too many noise (or maybe its just dust, but it looks like noise...) Try to clean it with software like Neat Image.You can get this result:
http://img222.echo.cx/img222/208/p10001221filtered3za.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/altind/P1000122-1.jpg

And if you add a sharp mask in photoshop, you get a more awesome picture!;)

I'm using JASC Software Inc's "Paint Shop Pro 8".

Sorry, I don't know this program :(

The JASC Software Paint Shop Pro is now from Corel (http://www.corel.com).

I used Photopain in Corel many years ago. Now I only use Photoshop. I think adobe has created an standard of photo edition with this amazing program.

I use Photoshop CS too. Thinking of getting CS2 :)

Anyway, I was so happy after seeing the pictures yesterday! Finally, captured the sunset in a nice proportion of orange/blue/dark silhoute w/o resorting to tweaking in PS. :happy:

http://img175.echo.cx/img175/729/dsc51054wl.jpg

http://img175.echo.cx/img175/2023/dsc51500ja.jpg

dave, have you updated your D70 firmware to V2?

http://nikonasia-en.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nikonasia_en.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=4279

It's already out! I dind't know!!!!!! This night I will update it!!!!! ;)
Anyway, that pictures are amazing...

This thread is full of stunning pictures! :D

hycinthus.. I can see why you were happy, because those pictures are amazing!

Thanks Dave and nova. :)

Dave, I've not taken any pics yet after updating the firmware in the afternoon. But, I think the colours are better. This is a thread about it from Singapore's Clubsnap - a photography forum. :)

http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=131720

http://img175.echo.cx/img175/2023/dsc51500ja.jpg

If I was capable of taking pictures half this good...

hya.sky, I have updated my firmware:D Tomorrow I hope I could take some test shots!;)

@AltinD

I am sure you can take good pictures too. Just need to be observant of the lighting condition, some patience and tripod + camera that can do BULB... I was on the bridge between 6.50pm - 8.30pm to capture the changing skylight as well as waiting for a huge boat (with lights) to pass.

@Dave

Great! :happy:

It has been raining these days here... probably, I could only try on Saturday. :(

hya.sky, here the weather couldn't be most sunny! I have problems wearing sunglasses and looking throught D70 viewfinder :rofl:
I test my Tokina 12-24 and results are EXECLENT!

i just bought a digital rebel! :cheers:

Congrats nakedyak! Did you buy the 300 D or the 350 D ????
Enjoy it and we want to see the pictures! ;)

Shooting at 12 mm (18 mm with 1.5x factor)
http://img274.echo.cx/img274/3230/image00617kp.jpg
*Note: Sorry for the moiré, appears when the image is reduced... Anyone knows a program or software to avoid it?

Moire? Whats that?

I like Ultra Wide Angles, but sometimes the perspective is skewed a bit too much. With a fisheye, the subject matter just gets bent, but here it looks like the building is just falling over. It does make for some nice shots, but you have to position your camera very well if you want to avoid all those funky shots :P

hya,

congrats on the new nikon! do you miss the swivel screen and lcd preview of your previous sony? im thinking about getting a canon 20D this summer (although i might go with a G6) your photos are gorgeous by the way. huaiwei you got one too? arrghh im jealous, i need to join the dslr crowd.

jesse

*Note: Sorry for the moiré, appears when the image is reduced... Anyone knows a program or software to avoid it?

Try this using Photoshop?

1. Use a resolution 120 - 150% bigger than the posted picture.

2. Go to Filter > Noise > Median.

3. Use a radius between 1-3. Typically the higher the quality of the source, the lower the radius can be. Use your own judgement, but you will probably find that 3 works well for newspapers, 2 for magazines, and 1 for books. *I use 3.

4. Go to Image > Image Size and resample to the desired image size and resolution using the bicubic resampling option. * Iresize the width to 200px.

5. Make sure you are zoomed to 100% magnification.

6. Go to Filter > Sharpen > Unsharp Mask.

7. Exact settings will depend on the image resolution, but these settings are a good starting point: Amount 50-100%, Radius 1-3 pixels, Threshold 1-5. Use your eye as the final judge.

Tips:
If you still see a pattern after applying the Median filter, try a slight gaussian blur before resampling. Apply just enough blur to reduce the pattern.
If you notice halos or glows in the image after using Unsharp Mask, go to Edit > Fade. Use settings: 50% Opacity, Mode Luminosity.

**Dave, if you still see moire, copy the layer which you have and paste over the original image and use "Overlay". I don't have the original file, but I tried on your posted image with the above steps and derived this smaller version w/o moire.

http://img175.echo.cx/img175/4221/image00617kpsmall6si.jpg

Adapted From http://graphicssoft.about.com/cs/photoshop/ht/apsremovemoire.htm

hya,

congrats on the new nikon! do you miss the swivel screen and lcd preview of your previous sony? im thinking about getting a canon 20D this summer (although i might go with a G6) your photos are gorgeous by the way. huaiwei you got one too? arrghh im jealous, i need to join the dslr crowd.

jesse

Thanks Jesse. :)

No, it's not a Sony. It's a Nikon. :colgate: I still use that for low angle shots which is not possible with DSLR. It's with my dad now in Beijing. I hope he knows how to use. :P

Our photography instructor always reiterates this - It's the man behind the camera but not the camera that makes a good picture. I agree to an extent... cos there are certain photography tricks like stepwise/gradual zoom, flash sync and flexibility in the use of lens (subjected to budget) etc etc which could only be achieved using D/SLR (with much more control). No matter what decision you make, be it prosumer or DSLR, you can and have already been taking well-composed pictures. :)

btw, Would you be showing us more pictures you took in Singapore (in SG sub-forum)? ;)

hya.

thanks hya.sky!!!!!!

hya,

congrats on the new nikon! do you miss the swivel screen and lcd preview of your previous sony? im thinking about getting a canon 20D this summer (although i might go with a G6) your photos are gorgeous by the way. huaiwei you got one too? arrghh im jealous, i need to join the dslr crowd.

jesse
Oh yes I became a rebel since I had to lug a 350D around? :D

Yesterday, about 360 nikonians turned up with their Nikon DSLRs at The New Paper Big Walk (Singapore) (http://tnpbigwalk.asia1.com/). Great event for photography, win great prizes and getting to know other nikonians too! Here's a group picture :colgate:

http://www.pbase.com/kaijiew/image/43692683/large.jpg
I am in there too... hehe... but, won't tell you where I am. :lol:

Bigger version here (http://cakonos.image.pbase.com/image/43692683/original.jpg)

The yellow jersey T (available in both ladies/mens version) is sponsored by Nikon Singapore. ;)

^
I see u but I won't say where you are.....:lol:

hmmm... I can't find myself in the smaller picture at first... sharp eye.

I LOVE Nikon! :colgate:

^
What a nice way to advertise......:D

Building after-sales customer relationship is very important.

Nikon is very generous with the free Jersey T, door gifts, lucky draw prizes and competition prizes. Great way to know new friends too. No need to pay to participate but you must already own a Nikon camera and use it to participate in the competition. They even hired a regular bus (with D70 livery) to bring us to other spots to take pictures of the event and provide us with lots of water... :)

Even a canon film SLR user whom I met yesterday lamented why Canon did not organise such an event for them. Kudos to Nikon!

^
Wah so good.....I shall consider nikon......:yes:

cool,so Nikon does such events for Nikonians:)


Huaiwei should start a meeting like that for Canonians;) :) :D

:omg:! I wish Nikon organize this kind of events here in Spain! Here the customer service is quite bad :( (It's nor organized by Nikon, a Spanish company called Finicon is who makes the post-selling service)

hmmm... I can't find myself in the smaller picture at first... sharp eye.

I LOVE Nikon! :colgate:
Haha I see you too! :D I want that tshirt! ;)

cool,so Nikon does such events for Nikonians:)


Huaiwei should start a meeting like that for Canonians;) :) :D
Ney...I doubt I would. To be honest, my heart is still with the Nikon brand name, and sometimes I actually felt embarrased having to call myself a Canonian? :D

I was an SLR user but went digital, and got myself a Sony DSC P200 Cybershot. I know its not a DSLR but Im happy with it. If you guys want you can check my photo blog and tell me what you think of the quality of the photos taken by the Sony. Personally Im happy even though I cant go fully manual like you DSLR users.

Haha I see you too! :D I want that tshirt! ;)
you want to end up like him ;)

http://gallery.clubsnap.com/data/500/DSC_8768.jpg

hehe... so easy to spot? btw, I doubt you want to wear a ladies jersey which has a shapely cut. Try clubsnap to ask if anyone wants to sell theirs to you, (if you are really interested.) ;)

I was an SLR user but went digital, and got myself a Sony DSC P200 Cybershot. I know its not a DSLR but Im happy with it. If you guys want you can check my photo blog and tell me what you think of the quality of the photos taken by the Sony. Personally Im happy even though I cant go fully manual like you DSLR users.

Just my personal experience. I have a coolpix 5400 (Digital Prosumer) and a Nikon D70 (DSLR). My experience with both cameras tells me that though 5400 can handle some day shots almost as well as D70, it loses out in indoor/dim places where flash is not allowed (can use 50mm f1.8 lens for D/SLR), shots which requires continuous shooting fast i.e. action/bird photography, night photography, macro photography and shots involving DOF etc.

In fact, talking about quality, it depends on the target usage size and media. Are you using it for website at 450x300px or or a 4R print or a A3-size poster or a full-size double-decker bus livery? The comparison in quality is distinct as the required size goes larger.

I think film SLR (in slide format) is still the best. Obvious disadvantages are not able to check the shots instantly and cost of developing it.

Guess you do mostly landscape/architecture shots in daytime for maybe website/4R prints? If so, a Sony P200 is probably sufficient and more convenient to carry around.

When I just got my DSLR and shot pictures with it, I found out that there were more options to my DSLR, yet the image quality wasn't all that much better than a P&S. I was slightly disturbed, and wondered whether the kit-lens was limiting the camera's ability. Then I ordered the EOS magazine (which is a very good mag, and I can recommend it to anyone, and definitely DSLR amateurs like myself) and the issue was addressed, much to how I thought it should. The difference between a dslr and a normal digicam is that shots from a digicam are more compressed in-camera, since the manufacturer assumes that the shots will be printed automatically. Therefore, the quality may look just as good, or sometimes even better than a dslr. Obviously, this is not the case. Dslr shots (provided you pursue the highest, or at least higher quality than a digicam) are shot less compressed, and require post-processing to create top-notch images. Of course, not everybody wants to post-process their images, and you can set the camera to set sharpness etc. in-camera, much like a digicam will do by default, but the danger with this is that you can't undo these applications, just like you can't undo the effects added by a digicam either. The best of course is to just shoot in RAW, but this is not always an option, due to cf-card space.

Many people frown upon post-processing, at least on this forum. At first I also felt that you then let the computer do the work, instead of yourself and the camera. But then I saw that, in film photography, when film is developed, the post-processing is done by using superior chemicals, which add a lot of quality to the image. In the digital age, the developing of film has become the post-processing of images, and should not be frowned upon.

agree with th0m. :)

Even DSLR photography class encouraged Photoshop to enhance your pictures.

However, to add...

I have yet seen a p&s camera that can take good indoor seminar shots (under dim lighting conditions i.e. yellow downlights) as compared to using a D/SLR with 50mm f1.8 lens w/o flash and w/o photoshop enhancements (using correct settings, of course).

you want to end up like him ;)

http://gallery.clubsnap.com/data/500/DSC_8768.jpg

hehe... so easy to spot? btw, I doubt you want to wear a ladies jersey which has a shapely cut. Try clubsnap to ask if anyone wants to sell theirs to you, (if you are really interested.) ;)
Was there a picture? Cant seem to see it...how about the url for the thread? Thanks! :D

Just my personal experience. I have a coolpix 5400 (Digital Prosumer) and a Nikon D70 (DSLR). My experience with both cameras tells me that though 5400 can handle some day shots almost as well as D70, it loses out in indoor/dim places where flash is not allowed (can use 50mm f1.8 lens for D/SLR), shots which requires continuous shooting fast i.e. action/bird photography, night photography, macro photography and shots involving DOF etc.

In fact, talking about quality, it depends on the target usage size and media. Are you using it for website at 450x300px or or a 4R print or a A3-size poster or a full-size double-decker bus livery? The comparison in quality is distinct as the required size goes larger.

I think film SLR (in slide format) is still the best. Obvious disadvantages are not able to check the shots instantly and cost of developing it.

Guess you do mostly landscape/architecture shots in daytime for maybe website/4R prints? If so, a Sony P200 is probably sufficient and more convenient to carry around.

My interest are traditional asian architecture or urban shots. Yeah, I shoot my photos during the day, so the camera is sufficient. Even if I had a DSLR I would still shoot the same things, so it doesnt pay for me to get a DSLR. To be honest, I find the size liberating. Im kind of an opportunist photographer. I dont really go out for the sole purpose of spending hours shooting photos. When I see a shot while Im out that looks promising, I take the shot. Being able to literally put the camera in my pants pocket is great after shooting with a film SLR for years. This way I literally have my camera with me at all times. I never part with it.

Was there a picture? Cant seem to see it...how about the url for the thread? Thanks! :D

Here's the url => http://gallery.clubsnap.com/data/500/DSC_8768.jpg. Tell me what is that guy holding? ;)

However, to add...

I have yet seen a p&s camera that can take good indoor seminar shots (under dim lighting conditions i.e. yellow downlights) as compared to using a D/SLR with 50mm f1.8 lens w/o flash and w/o photoshop enhancements (using correct settings, of course).

Yes, definitely. It's also noticable in zoom-shots, and macro shots. Digicam's don't have nearly as much bokeh as dslr's.

Here's the url => http://gallery.clubsnap.com/data/500/DSC_8768.jpg. Tell me what is that guy holding? ;)

Still can't see......:ohno:

Here's the url => http://gallery.clubsnap.com/data/500/DSC_8768.jpg. Tell me what is that guy holding? ;)
Hm...url of the photo gallery or the thread its posted in clubsnap? Dont think they allow hotlinking anymore.

Hm...url of the photo gallery or the thread its posted in clubsnap? Dont think they allow hotlinking anymore.

:sleepy: Now?

http://img175.echo.cx/img175/7764/dsc87682re.jpg

Traidor!!!!! A Canonist dressed like a nikonian!

Now, where are the Pentax shorts and Minolta shoes?

:lol: Actually, this is common... nikonians wearing canon vest... canonians wearing nikon T/cap... depends who is the sponsorer. ;) But, this case is weird. He's wearing a nikon T+vest but using a canon camera for the competition... his pictures would be rejected cos it's not taken using a nikon.

In Singapore, there is another regular event for photographers too. Call Photo Marathon (usually held in Sep/Oct). Canon was sponsoring the event in the past 2 years. All are allowed to take part (even Nikon, Sony, Fujifilm etc brand users) but are required to wear Canon vest when the participants hunt all over the island to take pictures for the competition.

Kit, so far I've not seen any camera brand which had their logos on shoes/shorts. too low to be seen :colgate:

Anyone using Pentax *ist DS DSLR?? how is it??

I havent' sorry! But as far as I know, uses the same CCD as nikon D70, a sony one, so image quality should be good!
If you want to see pictures took with this camera, you should visit www.pbase.com -> Camera database -> Pentax -> and de *ist DS ;)
As far as I know is the smallest cam in the market:D

My birthday present! :) Nikkor 10.5mm f2.8 lens. ;)

Picture taken using it.
http://img138.echo.cx/img138/1065/dsc60724ul.jpg

amazing. I'm gonna try to get me a 12-24 Sigma aspherical lens at some point

Thats nice, Hya.....:yes:

My birthday present! :) Nikkor 10.5mm f2.8 lens. ;)

Picture taken using it.
http://img138.echo.cx/img138/1065/dsc60724ul.jpg
:omg: Fisheyes take amazing pictures of street life!!!! I hope you enjoy it a lot and show us your pictures!;)

ya... and i had lots of fun playing with it.

I've posted some in hk subforum thread http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=82214&page=3

Thanks for the link hyacinthus! Wich is the vision angle of the lense?

Thanks for the link hyacinthus! Wich is the vision angle of the lense?

you meant what is the angle of view? 180 degrees. :)

:O Yeah, I mean angle of view. I suppose that in a D70 should be a little bit less than 180, isn't?¿

Wow, that fisheye is amazing. I'd like to get my hands on one, but I think I should get a decent Wide Angle, or Ultra Wide Angle first. Won't really need an extensive range of zoom, since I'll mostly do architecture shots. The only thing that bothers me about a fisheye is that you have to pick your shots carefully, and you can only take so many shots on one trip, because the effect is nice, but having it on all your shot is quite tiresome (to me, anyway).

Hyacinthus, did you have to crop your images because of vignetting, or do they cover the full sensor?

@Dave
Less than 180 :?

But, the nikon website claimed "the first fisheye lens designed specifically for digital SLR photography is also the first to achieve a full-frame 180 degree picture angle"

From: http://www.nikon.com.sg/PRODUCT/LENSES/AFNIKKOR/AF-Fisheye-10.5mmDX.htm

@th0m

Of course not all shots using fish-eye. Otherwise, very boring too. Used it on close-ups and tight places like in a temple, MTR, restaurant etc. I didn't crop the images. :) If you meant the pictures in HK subforum, I just resized and added some words to make it interesting. :colgate:

These two images (London/Canary Wharf and London/Houses of Parliament) are from an Olympus E-20 with an add-on Raynox DCR-FE180 full-frame fish-eye (180 degrees on diagonal line). The corners are black because of vignetting. The thing weights 0.7 KG and I dropped it out of my sweaty hands on the roof of a Hong Kong hotel, so now both the outside and inside glass has cracks. These two are from before this accident though.

http://www.oranga.com/pics0/s200307271400n.jpg

http://www.oranga.com/pics0/s200307271427n.jpg

@hoogbouw010

cool pics! :) At least, you had clear blue skies during your HK trip in Apr... mine was dull greyish skies and cloudy in May... I want to visit Europe one day too. :colgate:

So sad to hear about your fish-eye lens. :( Perhaps, you could have bought a replacement while you were still in hongkong? Maybe, cheaper? I was indecisive about getting a lens in HK cos their lower-priced nikon lens (grey set) usually means no warranty. The sales person there advised me that fish-eye lens is simple (cos it's a prime lens) and if I broke the lens, no warranty could cover that too. The results of the lens tested at the shop and the savings of S$250 between a grey set in HK and a warranty set in SG was enough to make me want it. Anyway, it's a birthday gift.

@th0m
Now, I understand why you asked if I had cropped my pictures. No, I didn't crop them and vignetting did not appear in all my fish-eye pictures. :)

@Dave
Less than 180 :?

But, the nikon website claimed "the first fisheye lens designed specifically for digital SLR photography is also the first to achieve a full-frame 180 degree picture angle"

:omg:! I thught it was not DX! How much do it cost to you?

:omg:! I thught it was not DX! How much do it cost to you?

S$850 after conversion from HKD. :)

so, Nikon has the 10.5 fisheye DX , and the smallest Canon has is 15mm? Does anyone know of a 10mm fisheye for Canon AF mounts?

There is a 10-20 mm for Canon. But not a fisheye...
Maybe some sigma in canon mount?

@nakedyak

So, far the smallest fisheye which Canon can use is Sigma AF 8mm f/4.0 EX.

I remember reading some forums saying that Canon camera bodies can use Nikkor lenses using an adapter but not Canon lens on Nikon camera bodies... not too sure about the effects though. Perhaps, you can post the question in your local photography forum? :)

@nakedyak

Maybe, this link will help you to decide if the Sigma 8mm lens is good for your Canon body.

http://www.chem.ox.ac.uk/oxfordtour/tutorial.html

I supose that putting a Nikon Lense in a Canon body (with adaptor) would make you lose the AF.

I dropped it out of my sweaty hands on the roof of a Hong Kong hotel, so now both the outside and inside glass has cracks.

That hurts a lot!!!!:omg:

This sounds like good news to people with DSLR. :)

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Microsoft and Imaging Industry Leaders Unveil Support for Digital Camera RAW in Windows

Adobe, Canon, Fujifilm and Nikon are working with Microsoft to provide seamless digital camera RAW support in Windows.

REDMOND, Wash. - June 1, 2005 -- Microsoft Corp., together with leading companies in the digital imaging industry, today announced enhancements to the family of Windows® operating systems that will enable consumers to easily work with RAW files in current and future versions of Windows. Working closely with digital imaging industry leaders including Adobe Systems Inc., Canon Inc., Fuji Photo Film Co. Ltd. and Nikon Corp., Microsoft plans to deliver native support for digital camera RAW images in the next major version of Windows, code-named "Longhorn."

In addition, Microsoft is enhancing the digital imaging experience for Windows XP with the upcoming availability of the Microsoft® RAW Image Thumbnailer and Viewer for Windows XP, allowing consumers to view thumbnails and preview and print Canon and Nikon RAW files from Windows Explorer in Windows XP. These features, as well as the ability to organize and edit Canon and Nikon RAW files, will also be available in a future version of Digital Image Suite.

Microsoft also announced it is developing a certification program for third-party RAW image codecs that will ensure their solutions provide a consistent experience for consumers who are using RAW image files. With this new RAW support across the Windows platform and products, Microsoft is enabling a seamless experience for consumers working with RAW digital images and delivering an extensible architecture for hardware and software industry partners.

"The explosion in popularity of digital photography on Windows continues to progress and evolve as consumers discover the quality benefits of digital camera RAW," said Amir Majidimehr, corporate vice president of Windows Digital Media at Microsoft. "By working with industry leaders to extend support for RAW in Windows, we are removing the obstacles for consumer use of RAW and enabling a seamless platform for the next era of digital imaging innovation."

"Aggressive price moves in the digital SLR space are expected to increase demand for digital SLR cameras to achieve an average annual growth rate of 12 percent between 2005 and 2009. IDC expects that significant growth will derive from consumers who desire higher-quality images," said Ron Glaz, program director of digital imaging services and solutions at IDC. "Microsoft's implementation of the RAW file format in 'Longhorn' will simplify access to RAW files, and that is expected to increase the use of the RAW file format by various types of digital camera users."

RAW image capture is becoming increasingly important to beginning and professional digital photographers because of its ability to preserve an image's fidelity. Often likened to a digital negative, a RAW image is preferred by many photographers who feel it preserves the subtle color and detail possible with today's digital cameras. Unlike a JPEG, which is processed in the camera, a RAW file is processed on a PC, where the exposure and color can be adjusted after the image has been captured. However, each new camera model introduces changes to RAW image files; this in turn requires that digital imaging applications must also be updated to support these changes. Microsoft is working with its partners to help solve this problem.

Native RAW Support Coming in "Longhorn"

Microsoft worked with imaging leaders to develop the digital camera RAW architecture in "Longhorn" and to provide the best digital photography experience for Windows consumers. "Longhorn" will deliver dramatic innovation in RAW support for independent software developers, camera manufacturers and consumers. Hardware and software partners will benefit from the standardized architecture for image codecs, which allows them to contribute their own codecs to be certified and implemented in Windows.

Microsoft's platform approach provides built-in support for RAW files, enabling Windows-based applications to use all supported image types, including RAW. This architecture enables software applications to seamlessly support new image types upon codec certification by Microsoft. In addition, "Longhorn" will provide an application programming interface (API) that enables software vendors to exercise a higher degree of control over the RAW conversion in their applications, while enabling market opportunities for professional-level conversion tools.

For consumers, the ability to work with RAW image files just as easily as with JPEGs today will allow them to take advantage of the growing support for RAW in digital cameras and imaging software. Consumers will have more choices as new camera models are introduced because the new architecture in "Longhorn" makes it possible for all software programs on Windows to easily work with RAW image files.

RAW Image Thumbnailer and Viewer for Windows XP; Future Digital Image Suite Will Support RAW

In addition to announcing the imaging enhancements planned for the next version of Windows, Microsoft is helping Windows XP consumers realize the potential of RAW files. The Microsoft RAW Image Thumbnailer and Viewer for Windows XP will soon be available for free download* at http://www.microsoft.com. The RAW Image Thumbnailer and Viewer enhances the Windows XP photography experience by providing consumers with thumbnails, previews, printing and metadata display of RAW images directly in Windows Explorer. In addition, a future version of Microsoft Digital Image Suite will offer the ability to organize, edit and convert RAW files.

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Industry Partner Support for Digital Camera RAW in Windows

"We believe Microsoft's plans to deliver native support to digital camera RAW images in the Windows operating system is good news to consumers. RAW images are valued as one source of expanding the digital imaging world, and we welcome the possibility that more and more digital camera users will have the opportunity to experience and enjoy the world of RAW."

- Tomonori Iwashita
Director and Deputy Chief Executive of the Image Communication Products Group
Canon

"Microsoft's support of digital camera RAW in both Windows XP and future versions of Windows is an exciting development that will make RAW image files much easier to use for the consumer. With these plans, users of Fujifilm cameras will enjoy a seamless, high-quality experience whenever working with Fujifilm RAW files on Windows-based PCs."

- Kenji Watanabe
General Manager, Marketing
Electronic Imaging Products Division
Fujifilm

"Nikon is supporting Microsoft's new operating system and compatible software, which will enable efficient and accurate handling of Nikon Electronic Format (NEF) RAW digital image file format. Through collaboration with Microsoft, we are confident that the expanded potential to use Nikon's NEF will contribute substantially to the overall development of the photography industry's use of RAW files among the broadest market."

- Kasuyuki Kazami
General Manager
Nikon

Yeas! It's a very important new! We won't need to open the Nikon Programs just to peview the NEF files!

I'm getting an EOS 350D in a couple of days. I rock! :D

Just wanted to let you know.

Welcome to the club :D

Moolio, longing for you pictures! Enjoy the camera!

yeah, my digital rebel was supposed to be here a week ago, but UPS lost it. UPS sucks.

I'm getting an EOS 350D in a couple of days. I rock!

Just wanted to let you know.


Enjoy! Have fun! :)

yeah, my digital rebel was supposed to be here a week ago, but UPS lost it. UPS sucks.

sorry to hear about that. What would they do to compensate your loss?

:( UPS really sucks! I know a guy from a spanish photography forum that bought a lense and the lorry transporting it had an accident and burn. UPS didn't want to pay anything!!! Fortunatly the shop that sold the lense, made an insurance and they send another lense.

Welcome to the club

I take it you have a 350D too? There seems to be quite a lot of Digital Rebel/XT users here.

Moolio, longing for you pictures! Enjoy the camera!

I will, thanks! So happens that I will get the camera at my parents' cottage, so my first photos will prolly be scenery shots.

Enjoy! Have fun! :)

Thanks!

It's hard to wait untill the camera battery is charged ;)

Indeed, but for the new Canon batteries, you don't have to fully discharge your batteries before charging them, so you can do it when you get back from shooting, when you don't need the camera anyway ;) (or every night when you're sleeping)

I was refering to buy the camera for the first time, and wait untill the battery is charged. In fact, some "clone" batteries are charged when you buy them :)

UP!

I'm thinking about buying a Tokina 12-24 in the not too distant future. The Canon 10-22 just doesn't seem worth it's money. But I am waiting for a review and pictures from the new Sigma 10-20, plus I have to make some money first. Oh and on the side I'll prolly buy a Canon 50mm 1.8, only a $75 lens, but worth every penny.

Anybody else aching to buy some glass? :D

me... :colgate:

wanted to buy nikon's 70-200mm F2.8 VR... but too expensive... going to get Sigma's 70-200mm F2.8 instead... almost half the price :)

me... :colgate:

wanted to buy nikon's 70-200mm F2.8 VR... but too expensive... going to get Sigma's 70-200mm F2.8 instead... almost half the price :)

How much?? :? (both lens)

Nikon's 70-200mm F2.8 VR - S$3,100
Sigma's 70-200mm F2.8 HSM - S$1,390

Nikon's 70-200mm F2.8 VR - S$3,100
Sigma's 70-200mm F2.8 HSM - S$1,390

Wah such a big difference in price.....:eek:

Does the quality differ that much?? :?

VR itself is worth its weight in gold if you need it. Very useful for a lens in this range and you are really paying for better QC, or so my experiences with Sigma lenses tells me.

VR itself is worth its weight in gold if you need it. Very useful for a lens in this range and you are really paying for better QC, or so my experiences with Sigma lenses tells me.

In terms of colour and speed, the Nikon's 70-200mm is definitely better than Sigma's. Was deliberating between the two. hmmm... buy Nikon's? :colgate:

Edit: No... I'll still get Sigma's 70-200mm ;)

See reviews here => http://www.photographyreview.com/cat/lenses/35mm-zoom/sigma/PRD_83598_3128crx.aspx#reviews

i'll probably get the Sigma 70-300mm Macro II as its pretty inexpensive. In the $100-$150 range (i'm cheap)

@nakedyak

you are using Nikon/Canon/Sigma DSLR? If it's Nikon's, I'll like to see some pics using that lens, please? :)

me... :colgate:

wanted to buy nikon's 70-200mm F2.8 VR... but too expensive... going to get Sigma's 70-200mm F2.8 instead... almost half the price :)
I also longing for this lenses!!!! Nikon is too expensive :( So I will buy the Sigma's, as I know is very good indeed. Maybe in October I would seriosly think of buying it :)

@Thom: I own a tokina 12-24, it's a great lense!!! Construction is very good, almos high professional and the quality of the pics is amazing for a lense of it's price and focal.

Cool! Could you post a few pics on here? Preferably unedited. Also, do you use the lens hood that comes with it?

I am assuming the canon-mount Tokina and the nikon-mount Tokina produce similar images, when comparing the 350D+Tokina and the D70+Tokina.

Th0m, visit my gallery (link in my signature), and there you will find a gallery with my very early tests with the tokina and a gallery called Saló Automovil where most of the pictures were taken with it. Some have some post process, some not.
Comparing 350D and D70, the only difference is the focal distance, because of the sensor factor (350D -> x1.6 D70 -> x1.5)
If you want a picture as shoot, send me a PM with you mail and I'll send it to you, despite they are quite heavy ;)

@nakedyak

you are using Nikon/Canon/Sigma DSLR? If it's Nikon's, I'll like to see some pics using that lens, please? :)

Digital Rebel. I don't have the lens yet, but when i do (if i do), you'll see plenty of pictures on here. I have heard it isn't a super lens or anything, but it fits my budget, and i'm looking forward to the super macro feature :)

Digital Rebel. I don't have the lens yet, but when i do (if i do), you'll see plenty of pictures on here. I have heard it isn't a super lens or anything, but it fits my budget, and i'm looking forward to the super macro feature :)

I've read some photographers tried reverse mount for macro photography. Has anyone tried that before?

Thought of getting BR2a and BR3 set to try... about S$70 for both... cheaper than getting a macro lens but tedious...

Technique explained and samples here => http://www.naturephotosociety.org.sg/ASP/Article.asp?DBAPublishDate=1/10/2005

I'm thinking about buying a Tokina 12-24 in the not too distant future. The Canon 10-22 just doesn't seem worth it's money. But I am waiting for a review and pictures from the new Sigma 10-20, plus I have to make some money first. Oh and on the side I'll prolly buy a Canon 50mm 1.8, only a $75 lens, but worth every penny.

Anybody else aching to buy some glass? :D

The Canon 10-22 is well worth the money. That extra 2mm does come in handy, and this lens, despite not being "L" glass, is a magnificent piece of engineering. It is sharper than the Tokina, very fast and silent autofocus, faster at the wider end (though slower at the longer), is lighter and not too much more expensive.

You get a great lens with the 10-22. Though I'm not going to knock the 12-24 Tokina. The Tokina performs very well in this price range, and if you don't feel you need the extra 2mm, then why not buy this lens.

One catch, architecture photography always benifits from a wider angle lens. There maybe times when you wish you could have gone that little bit wider. At the same time, I don't always use my 10-22mm Canon at 10mm.

You'd probably be happy with either. But personally, I would recommend saving up the extra €200 or so for the Canon.

Hopefully soon, I'll have enough money to finally purchase a DSLR. I've been using a Canon A80 for the last year, but it's time to spend some money on something serious. I had a Canon EOS 300 35mm SLR before the A80, which I gave to my brother.

Having done a huge amount of research, on every website. This is what I'm planning on getting -

Canon 350D with Kit lens
Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II Lens
SIGMA Lens AF 70-300mm F4-5.6 APO Macro Super II

Plus, extra batteries, and other accessories, about £900 in total. Plus I'm going to get a Sony DSC-T7 with the waterproof casing for underwater photography, and video.

Sound like a good package?

Justme, I agree about always wanting the widest angle with architecture shots. However, if the shots at 10 mm with the Canon are crap (and I've seen some examples), then there's no use for me ponying up 200 euro's for something that's there, but doesn't work very well. From test-shots that I've seen, the Tokina has sharp corners even wide open on all focal lengths, the Canon appears not to be.

If I feel I will need the extra 2 mm, I'll probably wait for the Sigma 10-20, to see if it matches up with the Tokina. If so, then I'll have the best of both worlds, an affordable UWA, 10 mm, and performing as well or maybe even better than Canon.

I'd like to have all Canon glass (I've only recently gotten into glass-acquiring mode, so its not as impressive as it sounds ;)), but if there comes something better along from another brand, I'm not too shy to give it a look.

sounds like a great package, thats almost exactly what i wanted to get

Sikario, I don't know much about the Sigma lens, but the 50mm f1.8 is a GREAT pickup especially for its price, its really a bargain. The build is not impressive, but works, and the motor can be noisy from what I've heard, but for the pocket change you spend on it that's no valid commentary. As far as accesories go, extra batteries are always nice, I don't have a second pack because I'm a poor bastard. If you feel the 350D might be a bit small for your hands, I'd advise you to get the Battery Grip, so that you have a bigger camera, add battery-life, and you can also also take vertical shots easier (there's a shutter-release button on the Grip).

ill hopefully join Moolio and the others here in august. As my camera got stolen a day ago im planning on getting a 350D/XT. Wish me luck

I hope ch1le you are more lucky with your new camera!

ill hopefully join Moolio and the others here in august. As my camera got stolen a day ago im planning on getting a 350D/XT. Wish me luck

You're getting a 350D? Great! I hope you get it A.S.A.P. :)

Yeah, well, as i told you guys my last camera (7months old) got nicked :P
Hope to get this new one by the 7th of August.

Have you got your camera now ? :)
we are going to rock with our cameras :D

okay, now im a bit between 3 cameras..
D50, D70 and EOS350D

Can you guys tell me the Pros and Cons?

Have you got your camera now ?

YEAH BABYh!!1 You can see some of my pics in Talo -forum. Check the Aula -section.

okay, now im a bit between 3 cameras..
D50, D70 and EOS350D

Can you guys tell me the Pros and Cons?


You might wanna talk to Toni about the D70. He's got one, you know. The best thing about 350D is the 8MP sensor, I think. It really enables huge crops. Also, the noise levels are negligible, colors are good, and resolution is quite impressive. The kit lens is not anywhere near the quality of D70's Nikkor kit lens, but at least it's alot cheaper.

yeah, but did you buy any other lenses with it? I think someday in the future im going to buy Canon EF-S 17-85mm F4,0-5,6 IS USM for it...

I'm glad you got your camera so soon, i still have to collect a few cents for it :D
anyway im certainly heading to Talo to check pics out :D

The 17-85mm is a decent lens, but not stellar. For stellar performances, comparable to the first class Nikkor performances, you should look into the L glass that Canon has. The best comparable zoom-lens to the kit-lens would be the 17-40 f/4 L. Granted, you pay about as much for your lens as you do for your body (or way more when it comes to other lenses), but those lenses are built like tanks (in a good way, although they're not lightweights either), and have solid performances.

ch1le, I have been pondering over the same question for some time. But the 350D comes out on top everytime I do the research. But then it is down to personal preference. They're all very competent cameras, but I simply prefer the 350D and the selection of lenses available.

yeah, but did you buy any other lenses with it? I think someday in the future im going to buy Canon EF-S 17-85mm F4,0-5,6 IS USM for it...

I'm glad you got your camera so soon, i still have to collect a few cents for it :D
anyway im certainly heading to Talo to check pics out :D

Afaik the EF-S 17-85mm is a good but expensive lense. If you got the money, go for it. I myself have the 350D kit lense only. I'll prolly buy a tele zoom lens of about 50-300mm next. Right now I don't have the money, though, so it'll take a few months. It's a great camera anyway. I've had it for just under a month now, and already I've taken some one thousand to maybe fifteen hundred shots. It's so enjoyable to use. These days I kinda get a bit cranky if I can't go out to take some shots. :D

arghhhh

okay now im down to D50 and 350D... both are perfect.

would you tell me which kit lense is better?

The D50's AF-S Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6G ED
or the 350D' EF-S 18-55mm


grrr, i think im leaning more towards the D50

Canon's kitlens is not spectacular, I don't know about the Nikkor lens. Nikon's kitlenses are usually better. But if you are getting into the lens business already, then you could also buy a different lens without buying the kit. You can get a 50mm f/1.8 for the price of the kitlens. Its a better lens, although its not a zoom. Way better app, and sharpness is unreal.

Nikon lenses, the 18-70 are great lenses, much more better than the 18-55. Depending on your needs, maybe the D50 would be too amateur, maybe 350D would look like this too, but at least it has some improvements compared with D50 (2mpx more)

Nikon lenses, the 18-70 are great lenses, much more better than the 18-55. Depending on your needs, maybe the D50 would be too amateur, maybe 350D would look like this too, but at least it has some improvements compared with D50 (2mpx more)

BuMp!

I just read a review about D50 at dpreview.com, and they claim that it has even lower noise levels than 350D... (WTF)? It appears that 350D is better only in terms of:
A) pixel count (8.0 MP vs. 6.1 MP)
B) continuous shooting (2.8 fps vs. 2.5 fps)
C) ISO range (100-1600 vs. 200-1600, although given D50's noise levels it doesn't make any difference)
D) WB finetuning (D50 doesn't have that feature)


D50 certainly seems a very good buy.

I'm thinking about getting either a D50 or a 300D. If you go for the D50, let us know how it works out. :)

I'm thinking about getting either a D50 or a 300D. If you go for the D50, let us know how it works out. :)

Actually, I already bought a 350D, but ch1le is still pondering the two. I'm fairly sure he'll make a pretty big deal of his camera once he buys it, so don't worry. :D

I just got my DSLR, the Canon XT what do u guys think of these night shots?

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/9804/desktop3me.jpg
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/6886/desktop48eu.jpg
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9213/desktop91fa.jpg

i think that i think im gtting it too

those pictures look amazing mate. good job

i think that i think im gtting it too

I hope you do. :) One thing I don't like about Nikon's D-series cameras is the 6 Mp sensor. While they produce great images, you can't crop them as much as 350D's 8Mp images, which I have found very important. Besides, we can give each other tips better if we're using the same camera. I'm getting back to Jyväskylä (I'm in Espoo presently) in a couple of days, btw, so we can talk in MSN again. When do you think you can buy the camera? Oh, and one more thing; if you possibly can, please try to avoid 350D's kit lense. It really is no where near the quality of that of D70. I believe D50 has a different kit lense, though?

great, yes, well, i have no choice to get the kit lense right now, but i will buy new ones as soon as i get the money for them :P You also have the kit lense ?

great, yes, well, i have no choice to get the kit lense right now, but i will buy new ones as soon as i get the money for them :P You also have the kit lense ?

Yeah. This store TopShot in Helsinki had a special offer on 350D kit, so I bought it. The biggest problem with the kit lense seems to be a touch unsharp results. Usually it's not a great problem as you can sharpen the pics with software easily. If you're planning on taking photos of flowers or some such, you're going to need a lense that takes crispier images though.

what raw conversion software you use ?

what raw conversion software you use ?

I don't. I guess I should start taking RAWs, but I prefer the easy way. :ohno: Have you taken RAWs? What's so special about them anyway?

raw is what brings out the difference of a dSLR and a normal high end camera... try it, you will be amaized..

quality is higher and you will squeeze little bit extra out of that 8mp of yours, details mmm :) use it

I just got my DSLR, the Canon XT what do u guys think of these night shots?

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/9804/desktop3me.jpg
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/6886/desktop48eu.jpg
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9213/desktop91fa.jpg

looks good and clear. :)

i just posted a new thread here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=4924787#post4924787) with some new pictures taken with my 300D if you guys are interested.

Yeah, RAW is like a digital negative. With raw, you can adjust the parameters (sharpness, contrast, color-tone, etc), which you can set in-camera, AFTER you've taken the shot, along with white-balance. I don't use it very often, since a RAW file gets up to 10 MB, but the instances I did, I was extremely impressed with the results.

Canon has today posted firmware version 2.0.2 for the EOS 20D, which fixes a bug that occurred when using the EOS Capture application. The 8 megapixel camera, announced a year ago this month, experienced problems that prevented EOS Capture from operating correctly when shooting using the RAW+JPEG setting. The problem only occurred in version 2.0.0 of the firmware.

Download it here (http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eos20d/eos20d_firmware-e.html)

Something INTERESTING for the Canon fans

News read from http://news.techwhack.com/1878/canon-5d-is-finally-unveiled/

News has leaked out that Canon is going to be introducing a completely new DSLR body to supplement its professional EOS digital camera range. The launch is scheduled for Aug 26 in Shanghai. This camera will be displayed at the IFA in September. The sale of this camera in the US is scheduled to start in October with pre-orders beginning in early September at select retailers.

The EOS 5D has been talked about for a long time by Canon camera users. Rumored as the digital replacement for the EOS 3, a professional camera body with an affordable price tag. The 5D also sports a full frame but will in all probability retail for 3495 $ in the US and 3500 Euros in Europe. This camera therefore, is the first digital Canon body with a full frame to retail under 4,000 $. The Canon 1Ds MK2 retails for 7995 $ in the US. Many pro photographers who use a 1D series as their primary camera have required the 1D’s features without its associated price tag to use as backup or as an additional body. The 5D full frame provides a shallow depth of field, a large viewfinder(larger than the 20D) and ease of manual focus.

Main features of the Canon EOS 5D:

Effective Pixels: 12.8M Approx.
Type: 35.8 x 23.9mm CMOS
Total Pixels:13.3M Approx
Max Resolution: 4,368 x 2,912 pixels
Aspect Ratio:3:2
Low-Pass Filter: Built in/Fixed
Colour Filter Type: Primary Colour
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I'll still stick with Nikon System. :)

Is there any DSLR with anti-shake technology built in the body?? :?

Is there any DSLR with anti-shake technology built in the body?? :?

Maxxum 5D digital SLR. But, I have yet tried this one to comment much. There's a limit to what anti-shake technology can do, especially night pictures.
http://digital-lifestyles.info/display_page.asp?section=platforms&id=2400

Here's a clubsnap discussion thread about its pricing: http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=145991

There's something you might like about it. Its compactness. Seems to be about the size of Panasonic Lumix FZ20 :)

http://konicaminolta.com/products/consumer/digital_camera/slr/5d/img/guide/compact_b.jpg

There's something you might like about it. Its compactness. Seems to be about the size of Panasonic Lumix FZ20 :)

http://konicaminolta.com/products/consumer/digital_camera/slr/5d/img/guide/compact_b.jpg

Wow.....S$1370 with Kit lens?? so tempting......:D

Wow.....S$1370 with Kit lens?? so tempting......:D

Know your needs and budget first then try Nikon D50 or D70S/Canon 350D/Maxxum 5D before you buy. Do look at the entire system i.e. lenses and flash etc before you decide.

hmmm... noticed the manufacturers like "5" alot...

Know your needs and budget first then try Nikon D50 or D70S/Canon 350D/Maxxum 5D before you buy. Do look at the entire system i.e. lenses and flash etc before you decide.

hmmm... noticed the manufacturers like "5" alot...

Actually they like 7 also.....like D70, Dynax 7D......:lol:

Yeah.....I will definitely look at the other factors like lens, functions, grip etc.....:yes:

The KM DSLR doesn't seem that popular compared to Nikon and Canon......I wonder why?? :?

If you look at the images produced, you will understand.

If you look at the images produced, you will understand.

I see.....:yes:

My new toy, replacing the basic 70-300 of my original kit. In the future I would by a multipilcator, to get more mm :D

http://www.sigma.com.hk/images/Telephoto_Zoom/70-200_2.8_EXHSM/70-200_2.8_HSM_EX.jpg

Guys, is Nikon D90 or D200 for real or it's only a make-believe?

It's not for real, at least right now. But there are strong rumors that a camera such this will be annouced in September-August. Will replace D100 and will be semi-pro.

My new toy, replacing the basic 70-300 of my original kit. In the future I would by a multipilcator, to get more mm :D

http://www.sigma.com.hk/images/Telephoto_Zoom/70-200_2.8_EXHSM/70-200_2.8_HSM_EX.jpg

Oh that's just gorgeous. :drool: :master: I'm still playing with EF-S 18-55 mm cheap-shit, and i'm just aching to get something that actually can take sharp images. Lucky you.

@Dave
Any pics from it? :)

Wow.....S$1370 with Kit lens?? so tempting......:D

If you are looking for the new Anti Shake DSLR 5D with Kit Lens 18-70mm from Konica Minolta, it is in town today.

Price quoted from Alan Photo at Sim Lim below S$1,400 with GST and free 1 Gb Compact Flash.

If you are looking for the new Anti Shake DSLR 5D with Kit Lens 18-70mm from Konica Minolta, it is in town today.

Price quoted from Alan Photo at Sim Lim below S$1,400 with GST and free 1 Gb Compact Flash.

Frankly speaking......very,very tempting......:D Maybe I'll consider getting one in year end......:yes:

@Dave
Any pics from it? :)
Not yet. So busy these days, but I hope soon I could make some shots!;)

Oh that's just gorgeous. :drool: :master: I'm still playing with EF-S 18-55 mm cheap-shit, and i'm just aching to get something that actually can take sharp images. Lucky you.

I hope that's just a figure of speech, because if you're not getting sharp pictures from your kitlens, then either you're doing something wrong, or your lens is a bad copy.

As basic and ill-reputed the kitlens may be, it should produce sharp images, and there are certainly lenses out there that produce worse images for more money.

I hope that's just a figure of speech, because if you're not getting sharp pictures from your kitlens, then either you're doing something wrong, or your lens is a bad copy.

As basic and ill-reputed the kitlens may be, it should produce sharp images, and there are certainly lenses out there that produce worse images for more money.

I dunno. I've taken so far around 2700 pics with the kitlens (with and without a tripod), and every single time I've had to sharpen the pics with my software later on. I wonder if it is a defective copy.

What kind of inproper use could cause the lens to deliver too soft images?

Moolio, could you share some examples?

Moolio, could you share some examples?

Sure, here are some straight out of the camera. As you can see, they are no where near sharp. I just can't understand what causes it, I clean my lens properly, I have tried different settings - I can't think of anything I might be doing wrong.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Moolio/esimerkki/kk2exb.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Moolio/esimerkki/tunnelmallinen2ex.jpg

Which aperture are you using?

Which aperture are you using?

Honestly I can't remember, cause I've taken these a month or so ago. I generally use a very small aperture in photos like the upper one, so I doubt that is the problem. The lower one, on the other hand, was taken from just a matter of meters away from the subject (it was a zoo), so even a fairly large aperture shouldn't be the reason for the softness.

In general softness like the one I'm struggling with is not a problem as I can usually sharpen the images without any compromises, but still it does bother me. I prolly should go back to the store for consultation.

Go bakc for consultation, maybe your camera has backfocus, it's something very often in digital cams. You could also try to test some high quality lenses (borrowed by a friend, or something like that). If they still look not very sharp, there is a small problem.
Normally lenses are much more sharp in the middle of the aperture, betwen f/8 and f/11.

Moolio: In general soft images will occur at the widest apertures, and as Urban Dave said, if you can (meaning if there's enough light) try to shoot between f8 and f11. I only use f3.5 (on the wide end) when I'm indoors and I'm already at ISO 1600 and 1/10 sec or so. ISO grain can be corrected, softness is harder.

It is kind of a misconception that because you have to sharpen images, your lens doesn't produce sharp images by itself. Even with an L lens you will be sharpening your images afterwards.

Here are two images, taken with the kitlens, one is post-processed (sharpening, contrast, saturation, nothing special) and one is straight from the camera, only resized. The image was shot in JPG, Large. I used the 10 quality in PS to save it, here's how they look:
EXIF data: 1/250s f/8.0 at 51.0mm iso100

Edited picture:
http://i.pbase.com/v3/48/583048/1/47542548._MG_2707.jpg

Straight out of camera:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/th0mm/_MG_2707.jpg

100% center crop from unedited shot:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/th0mm/centercrop.jpg

th0m, amazing shot!

Second that, Dave.

It may be that you guys are right. I've prolly been using either too small or too large apertures. May be it's just me, but the images do appear to improve when using f:8 - f:11 instead of something closer to the two extremes. Thanks guys!

You're welcome! Good to hear your shots are improving when stopping down. Usually every lens has its 'sweet' spot, the f-stop where they're sharpest, but generally f/8-11 is a safe bet anyway. Of course there are some advantages to shooting at faster f-stops. You have a smaller Depth Of Field which is really nice for portraits, and your viewfinder is usually brighter at faster f-stops. And the most obvious that you can shoot at lower light ;)

here's the first look at the new Canon EOS 5D

http://reviews.cnet.com/Canon_EOS_5D/4505-6501_7-31481139.html?tag=cnetfd.sd

sweet.

here's the first look at the new Canon EOS 5D

http://reviews.cnet.com/Canon_EOS_5D/4505-6501_7-31481139.html?tag=cnetfd.sd

sweet.

That IS sweet. :applause: So sleek and streamlined (the most important aspect in any pro-camera :laugh: ) If the burstrate is only 3 fps, I am a bit dissappointed, though. Still, I guess it's understandable for a 13mp sensor.

Well, if they would increase the frames per second then it would be competing with other more expensive camera's that Canon still has in production. This camera will be hot. I would get one, if I had 3.5k :D But if I had 3.5k, then I'd just buy some tasty glass :D hehe.

that must be frank gehry's guggenheim museum, thom?

Camera's price is also amazing!!! XD

that must be frank gehry's guggenheim museum, thom?

Token, yes it is. There are more pictures in my gallery, address is in my sig.

@Urban_Dave: The price is competitive, but I'd personally spend the $ on lenses before buying a better body.

Maybe it's competitive to Professionals (compared with the Nikon D2X), but for advanced amateur users, maybe the top price for a camera (only body) is about 2,000 €

bought me a SIGMA 70-300mm F4-5.6 DG today.... (wanted the same kind of Tamron but they were out and they wouldnt get them for months...)

Not the best lense in the world... but as good range and will supplement my kit lense well...

Congrats ch1le. Enjoy it and we wait to see the results!

a little test shot with grey weather and slow shutter... thats why it isnt as good as i would like it... and sorry for the tilt...

ISO 400
F9 (should have used something like 12)
1/200
92mm

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/7374/img17614gq.jpg

edit: a bit off the background of the picture... the building on the right is the second Tallest building in Tallinn (union bank) 94m, and the building in the back is the tallest in Tallinn at 105m... anyhow... i like the reflection of the church... its totally surrounded by scrapers ;) Oh and also the street name is TOWERHILL 2 :)

Looks sharps and no visible noise for ISO 400 ;D

/\ yeah ....low noise level is the strongest side of EOS 350D

Yes, I know. It's a great camera without doubts! If I would buy my DSLR now (I bought it a year ago!) I would purchase the 350D.

Really? Why would you choose it over your Nikon? (You've got the D70, right?)

Well, that would be in case of no have a DSLR nowadays and want to buy one. 350D is 1 year and a half newer than the Nikon D70, so it has some improvements, like lower noise and more ressolution. I didn't have any preference for Canon or Nikon because I didn't own any older SLR, so no possibility to use old lenses. But I dont' have any regrets for my D70, I like it, it's very good for my necessities and I hope it would long a lot of time! ;) When I bought it, I could choose betwen D70 and 300D (10D or D100 were to expensive) and I choose the D70 because it's a little faster than 300D, better build (I felt the 300D in my hands, and it was soft and so platic, and D70 had better ergonomics, at least for my hands) and allows more controls, like puntual medition. Fortunatly, nikon also released a new firmware (used in D70s) that makes the camera focusing better.

Hey everyone.

Alright, I'm looking at getting a DSLR, I am either going with Canon (my current cameras are these and are GREAT) or Nikon who my dad recommends and he used these back when he went to photograhy school in NYC in the 70s.

I don't really want a low grade DSLR, I'm looking for something I wont have to upgrade in a year or two from purchuse. I have outgrown my Canon G5 and have started doing things that are stretching the limits of my Point and Shoot. I have used an SLR before and I know how well that it's...time.

I need a recommendation as far as camera body model, and lenses to get...anyone have any ideas?



btw...
Does anyone know how to reduce glare and spots from Sodium lights or any lights while shooting streetscapes of cities? Filters or what?

Vivitar

Buffcity, which is your budget? There is a brand new camera, the Canon 5D really great one, but it's quite expensive (3500$ aprox)
Then there is Canon 20D, really good, semi-pro
Another brand new camera is the 350D for advanded users, also, as the 20D 8 mpx
Nikon features the D50 and D70s, really good cameras but maybe they will be replaced in a few months by a new Nikon Model.
Then you have the D2X, a great machine, but also expensive, about 4500$.

here's the first look at the new Canon EOS 5D

http://reviews.cnet.com/Canon_EOS_5D/4505-6501_7-31481139.html?tag=cnetfd.sd

sweet.
im really looking into upgrading my 20d for that. but i dont know if i can compensate spending 2 grand more (2x 20d's) for just a fullframe sensor. the new 24-105L IS looks promising however.. :)

Hey everyone.

Alright, I'm looking at getting a DSLR, I am either going with Canon (my current cameras are these and are GREAT) or Nikon who my dad recommends and he used these back when he went to photograhy school in NYC in the 70s.

I don't really want a low grade DSLR, I'm looking for something I wont have to upgrade in a year or two from purchuse. I have outgrown my Canon G5 and have started doing things that are stretching the limits of my Point and Shoot. I have used an SLR before and I know how well that it's...time.

I need a recommendation as far as camera body model, and lenses to get...anyone have any ideas?

You might want to keep in mind that buying a mere high-end body won't guarantee good results. As I'm sure you know, if you buy, say, EOS 5D you're still going to have to buy a nice lens in order to reach 5D's full potential (on top of having to have a lot of expertise). I'd say you're looking at at least $4500-5000, if you're going to invest on 5D, for example. If you're planning on something even more expensive, like D2X, then you really need to be prepared to spend a lot.

Having said that, both of the above are amazing cameras, professional quality. I'd would start (I did, actually) with 350D, but that's just me. With a budget of 4000 dollars you can get the body (~$1000 in the US, I think), and a very nice range of lenses. You have to remember that the lens really does take precedence over the body in good image quality.

hey guys i need a suggestion concerning taking photographs specifically for scrapers. what super wide angle lens do you preferably use for trips? zoom or faster primes? i have heard that the zoom lenses creates unflattering distortion effects.. i dont know if its worth sacrificing the convenience of a zoom

And don't forget BuffCity, now lenses are more important than camera (as moolio said). You can bay a camera and in 4 or 5 years can be old, but your lenses will be there if they are good. ;)

@fenix: I normally travel with Tokina 12-24 and Nikkor 24-120. Most of the time I use the 24-120, very usefull but it's not very wide sometimes. With a lense like 18-70 you could have solutionated all the situations for a skyscrapers, wide enough and some zoom for distance images. No need of teles for skyscrapers normally, in my opinion. I like wide wide shoots a lot, that's why I enjoy taking pictures with my Tokina, skyscrapers look always taller than reality and I can take, making then a crop of the image, nice images with "vertical lines"
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/622/bcn0151mo.jpg
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3993/bcn0185rc.jpg

from my experience i can say that a wide lense is indeed good for skyscrapers, and buildings of sorts (and OFCOURSE landscapes) but a big tele lense is the perfect thing for Urban and unusual images, you can get to much more exiting places with a long tele! :)

thanks for the suggestions guys, i guess im going to be bringing 17-40mm and the 85mm for fast/telephoto range. great shots urban dave.

Great choice fenix.

Check out my sig. :D

D70 to 20D + 17-85mm IS USM lens.

buuuuuuuuuh!!!! :rofl: (a Nikonian)

Miliux, welcome to the world of Canon (I'm a Canonian). I'm saving for a 17-40L, but need some dough, argh.

Your wallet won't like you anymore.

I know, but it'll be a sweet set up, along with a battery grip ;) (17-40 + 350D is too big of a mismatch for me ;))

By the way, what made you switch from Nikon to Canon?

Not too sure where to post this. You don't need a DSLR to participate in this Digital Photo Contest. :)


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Guys, I have some questions about D70s:

1. Is it true that battery charger of Nikon D70s sold separately?
2. Do you recommend buying supplementary battery (offered: batterie Nikon EN-EL3)?

Thanks for your advice,
Tata

I'm getting my 20D today; I decided to get it with the kit lens even though I'm going to buy a few more lenses in November.

As for those lenses, I have a dilemma... what to get. I have a shortlist after reading hundreds of reviews/tests and spending literally days on pbase studying photos, but I'm still undecided.

First of all I want an ultra wide-angle lens, I believe the Sigma 10-20mm is the one for me, its £150 cheaper than the Canon 10-22mm, and I'd like to have the extra 2mm over the Tokina 12-24mm... So that's almost confirmed.

But, I also want a low light lens, a telephoto lens, a portrait lens and a walk-about lens. Of course there are lenses that can tick more than one of those categories, and I realise I'll have to make a few compromises. A portrait lens for example is more important to me than extreme telephoto.

This is my current shortlist

Sigma 10-20mm
Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8
Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 Macro
Canon 50mm f/1.4
Canon 50mm f/1.8
Canon 85mm f/1.8
Canon 70-200mm f/4L
Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8
Sigma 70-300mm APO Super Macro II DG

What would you get on a budget of £1000 ($1800)? :)

The 70-200 f4L is a VERY good lens especially for the money, and can be had for around 400 pounds I think. If you're covered on the UWA, then getting the 24-70 from Sigma is probably better. Canon also has a 24-70, and a new 24-105 IS but if you're not really in need of anything longer than 105mm (or 168, effectively) then maybe that will be all you need.

So I'd break it down like this:

Ultimate walk-around and UWA:

Sigma 10-20 (you could also consider the Tokina 12-24, pretty much same price but it has been around a bit longer and has almost only received good reviews) $500
Canon 24-105 f4L IS $1250
Canon 50 f1.8 $100

More versatile, more lens changing:

Sigma 10-20 $500
Sigma 24-70 $439
Canon 70-200 f4L $590

This leaves about $250. Should get you either a used 85 1.8 or 50 1.4, for some fast Canon primes.

Hycaninthus, what photo did you submit for that contest?

Sikario, I'd look at the Sigma 18-50 f2.8 and the Canon 17-85 IS as walk about lenses too. 24mm is not very wide on the d20 and you'll probably want wider even if you own one of the ultra-wides. If you can get the 17-85 as part of a kit with the camera you can save a bit on it. If not, the Sigma is much better than the kit lens and you won't want want to replace it when you go shopping again.

I recently bought the 17-40L from Canon - really nice lens btw - but now I'm wondering, the lens is not all that big, but when put on the 350D, it is kind of a mismatch. Any lens bigger than the kitlens will cause this, and since I'm not going back to the kitlens anymore, I thought I might need to buy the Battery Grip, also for when I want a telezoom or something. Does anybody have the battery-grip and can you tell me how it's working out for you, and maybe post pictures of it? I'd appreciate it.

The 17-40L is a fantastic lens (from what i've heard and seen). Thats the bad thing about making dslrs smaller- the lenses make it awkward.

True. Well, I just impulsively ordered the battery grip, so that will add some feel to the 350D. Compared to even the 300D this camera is so tiny, its funny. But camera-wise the XT beats the 300D on pretty much all bases except size. I'll post some images of how the grip looks with the lens once I get the grip.

How much does the batterygrip cost? I don't think I really need one, but a vertical grip would make some things easier.


1000th

I bought it online at a Dutch store, and here it cost only 99 euro's, plus 12,50 shipping. They send international, but you have to pay 27 euro's of shipping I think. Still, in a lot of other shops they're at least 150 euro's. They're cheaper here because the store is known to sell grey-market stuff, but when it comes to battery-grips, I don't really care. When it comes to lenses, I'll go there in person to test them. The webpage is www.koopdigitaal.nl , then go to Acessoires (click the + sign) then Canon and then chose the "Canon BG-E3 Grip voor EOS 350D" (click on the "I" sign).

So, I just got the grip in the mail, and it really feels awesome. It's like you're actually holding a camera now. Especially the vertical side feels really good, it just offers so much more support. Of course, your camera becomes quite bigger and a little heavier (of course that mostly depends on the lens you put on) but IMO its worth it.

I can't yet post any pics of it, since I don't have another camera, but I'm sure I can shortly ;)

Guys, I have some questions about D70s:

1. Is it true that battery charger of Nikon D70s sold separately?
2. Do you recommend buying supplementary battery (offered: batterie Nikon EN-EL3)?

Thanks for your advice,
Tata
I have nikon D70, and the battery charger cames with the camera. I think it's quite silly to sell camera without chargers.

About battery, it's not necessary to buy another one, the battery can last for 100's of shots. But it's a good idea to buy some backup battery (1 is enough). It's not necessary to be Nikon, just compatible one. I bought one fust fro 25€ and performs as well as my Nikon battery.

I have nikon D70, and the battery charger cames with the camera. I think it's quite silly to sell camera without chargers.

About battery, it's not necessary to buy another one, the battery can last for 100's of shots. But it's a good idea to buy some backup battery (1 is enough). It's not necessary to be Nikon, just compatible one. I bought one fust fro 25€ and performs as well as my Nikon battery.

Thanks Urban. I just came back from camera store here and guess what, the price of D70s kit dropped again, 150CHF (around 98Euro) less than a week ago. And this is the 3rd time the price decreased.

Are you satisfied with your Sigma 70-200mm?

Sure! A great lense for it's price. Very fast focusing, 2.8 , professional touch... I really recomend it. And compatible with Sigma multiplier (cheap and great performers)

Mind telling me the price of that lens?

Does anyone have experience if lenses designed especially for Digital SLR work well on Film SLR?

Grazie Mille!

Does anyone have experience if lenses designed especially for Digital SLR work well on Film SLR?

Grazie Mille!

If you're talking about such lenses as the Canon EF-S series, they aren't compatible even with all digital SLRs. They are desigend for small sensors, and therefore can't be used in EOS 1 series, for instance. I don't know about other brands.

Sigma has the DC lenses which aren't compatible with film camera's, Nikon has the DX system which isn't mountable on anything other than DSLR's (no problem with different digital camera's though, since Nikon uses the same cropfactor for all digital slr's (right?))

You can use DX or DC lenses in Film Cameras. The problem is that you get a round picture with a lot of black space!!! :rofl: You get the APC size in the 35 mm film. System is the same, so they work, at least for Nikon. A friend of mine has test the 18-70 on his F50

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