So whatt is the most ethnic-divers country in europe?
look at the %, and at the ethnic-groups
please look at the numbers first

i dont know but id say UK or netherlands (havent voted because i dont know the facts). France has no statistics on ethnics groups so its hard to say.

Definately the UK!

Romania

more or less

11% of hungarians
4% of gypsies
2% of serbians
2% of bulgarians
1% of turks, ukrainans, arabs, greeks, chinese, germans...

surely one of the most ethnic diverse countries in Europe

Romania

more or less

11% of hungarians
4% of gypsies
2% of serbians
2% of bulgarians
1% of turks, ukrainans, arabs, greeks, chinese, germans...

surely one of the most ethnic diverse countries in Europe


What's more, all of them have kept their language and ethnic features for hundreds of years.

maybe UK and Netherlands, no one have lists?

Must be England or Netherlands as number one, and France on number two.
Spain is getting ethnically to. There are many foreigners going to Spain to live. 700.000 illegal people signed in for naturalisation!!!!!!

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

There are also millions of Turks and other groups in Germany. Germany was Europe's immigration leader until a few years ago. Luxembourg and Switzerland have a very high proportion of foreign born residents.

It really depends how you define diverse:

% foreign born population?
% not from dominant ethnic group/religion?
number of different ethnic communities?
number of different ethnic communities with at least 1% of population?
number of languages spoken?

:dunno:

By end of 2003 around 21 pct. (1,6 mio people) of the population in Switzerland were not swiss, i.e. they were either immigrants or children of immigrants. This afaik the highest no. in western europe apart from Luxemburg and other small states. Switzerland might have the most foreigner per capita in western europe, but most of them are still from EU or european countries (Italians, Germans, Ex-Yugoslavia).

Some figures from the Swiss Federal Statistical Office:

Foreigners living in Switzerland, listed by country/continent in thousand

EU/EFTA-countries 840.4
Germany 134.7
France 66.9
Italy 305.4
Austria 31.9
Portugal 150.4
Spain 77.6
Serbia and Montenegro 200.3
Turkey 78.1

Africa 44.3

(Americas 57.6)
Brasil 10.7
Canada 5.3
USA 14.9

(Asia 91.4 )
China 7.5
India 7.0
Sri Lanka 31.8

Australia Oceania 3.3
unknown 0.2

UK, those France isn't a slouch.

It's really hard to tell for France, we have aproximately between 5 and 10 million muslims, nobody knows for sure, about half or 2/3 of these muslims are north africans, who made the biggest minority in the 80's (with Portugeses a close second), now about blacks, some of them are muslims, others are not, for the blacks that I know, I'll say that between half and 2/3 third of them are muslims. Traditionaly, and in people's mind, the north africans are the biggest minority, but I sure see much more blacks, africans and west-indians, in the streets, the metro etc. Now about the other comunities such as the asians, the indians, etc, they are in much smaller number, so I wont risk saying anything about those.

Now this is very aproximative, and I don't know much about the other countries, I have went in Britain, Germany, Spain etc, but mainly not in the most diverse places, so I can't really tell, the only thing that is for sure is that France has the biggest jewish and muslim comunities in Europe. (but nothing close to what some xenophobic idiots pretend)

Without any research I thought the Netherlands win the cup. But then I´ve looked up the data for the Netherlands:

about 5% foreigners
about 5% dutch citizen with a migration background
---> 10% of all inhabitants Netherlands have migration background

---> So Netherland is out of the race!

Now I think Germany or U.K., but I´m not sure.

Data for Germany:

total amount of inhabitants: about 82 millions

1. about 8 millions foreigners

2. about 9 millions germans with a migration backround

3. about 1-2 millions illegals (there is no firm data, only estimates by migration experts)

And many people with half german half ... parents (there are intersections with the inhabitants from number 2.(see above) and no real data about it, so I don`t include it in my calculation)

---> about 18,5 millions inhabitants with a migration background

---> about 22,5 %

Probably France :
- 6 millions of Alsacian (Germanic ethny)
- 4,2 millions of Brittanian (Celtic ethny)
- 730,000 of Basques
- 100,000 Flemish
- 272,000 of Corsican (South Europe/ Italian ethny)
- 8 millions of Provence people (Italian ethny)

Foreign ethny :
- 6 millions of Portuguese people (first foreign community)
- 200,000 Spaniard
- 200,000 English people
- 10 millions of people from muslims countries (over 25 countries)

Probably France :
- 6 millions of Alsacian (Germanic ethny)
- 4,2 millions of Brittanian (Celtic ethny)
- 730,000 of Basques
- 100,000 Flemish
- 272,000 of Corsican (South Europe/ Italian ethny)
- 8 millions of Provence people (Italian ethny)

Foreign ethny :
- 6 millions of Portuguese people (first foreign community)
- 200,000 Spaniard
- 200,000 English people
- 10 millions of people from muslims countries (over 25 countries)

6 million of Alsacian??? must be kidding!!!
Same for Portuguese (estimated at 800 000) and muslims (from 4 to 6 million), your figures are over-estimated....and just non-sense.

Reguarding Corsican, it's the opposite, you forget a lot of corsican will live in the continent.

I add that France has one of the most important asian communauty (chinese and vietnamese mostly) with an estimation of 400 000 people in Paris Ile de France (where the communauty is mostly concentrated)

Much more then 800 000 for the Portugeses actually, it's just that the large majority has french nationality

Dunno, but I think it is UK! Followed by Germany, France and Holland (in no specific order).

Probably France :
- 6 millions of Alsacian (Germanic ethny)
- 4,2 millions of Brittanian (Celtic ethny)
- 8 millions of Provence people (Italian ethny)

You can`t really count that! Just as I can`t count this: 20% of all Germans have eastern european roots, because Germany had different boarders in the past. But that goes simply to far back in the past.

I would say in terms of number and recognizable size of diverse ethnic communities: UK followed by the Netherlands and France, because of their colonial empires they had (and the UK most recently).

I forgot to mention some ethnical minorities (with german citizenship) in Germany:

50.000 Danes
50.000 Frisians
60.000 sorbs
120.000 Sinti and Roma

I would say in terms of number and recognizable size of diverse ethnic communities: UK followed by the Netherlands and France, because of the immigrants of their colonial empires they had (and the UK most recently).

1. Holland is not a country. Usually I don't care if people say/write Holland instead of The Netherlands, only when someone from Holland does. It's not that much work to write down The Netherlands in a poll option or just use NL, that one's shorter too. That would be nice to those +10 million Dutch that are not living in Holland. Hollanders are actually an ethnic minority in this country. ;)


2. Counting Flemish, Alsacians, Basques etc. as ethnic groups in France is stupid IMO. Well, maybe it's not stupid, but in that case we should also count Scots and Welshmen in the UK, Frisians (and other groups in NL), Bavarians in Germany and the debate would go on forever...


3. I agree with Jonesy that you have to define 'ethnically diverse' first before you can even answer the question.

UK by Far

UK by Far

I wouldn`t agree to that: Official data says about 8% foreigners, now it would be interesting to have some data about the total amount of inhabitants with a migration background(because of naturalization, etc.). Perhaps some of our british members can help us with that.

@ all

It`s ridiculous and useless only to name countries. Please present stats, when you choose a country.

What`s about Spain or Italy? Has anybody stats?

My stat of the day is 47 % of all babies born in greater London are born to foreign born mothers.

I guess UK has possibly the most diverse mix of immigrants - not necessarily the greatest number though. I would suspect The Netherlands or Germany have a higher percentage.

according to the latest statistics, Spain has 8,5% of immigrants, mainly from Morocco, Ecuador and Romania.

We must add around 4% of Spanish gipsies, and 5% of Basques if it s considered a different ethnia :)

My stat of the day is 47 % of all babies born in greater London are born to foreign born mothers.

That doesn`t have to say much about the present. We have many schools, especially elemantary schools, in Berlin, which have over 70% foreigners. A few months ago the first school was 100% non-german with exception of the teachers. I will take a look for Berlins Babystats later. Perhaps you can make a list for the UK, like mine for Germany(see Page 1).

I guess UK has possibly the most diverse mix of immigrants...

At this point I´m going with you. Germanys immigrants are mainly from Europe with the exceptions: Turkey, Russia and Arabia.

In 2004, there were more 'foreign' babies born in Hamburg's hospitals than German babies...

heres my modifications ot the above post

- 4,2 millions of Brittanian (Celtic ethny) -> more. many more. Paris alone had 2ml britons in 1890. So many people have briton ancestry in Paris metro , almost all the white you see. From kool shen to dieudone MBALAMBALA from Francois pinau :runaway:
same in le havre bordeaux , ect. id say at least 7ml



Foreign ethny :
- 6 millions of Portuguese people (first foreign community) -> Even my half portuguese friend who is very proud says 2m to 2.5

- 200,000 Spaniard -> way more like 1 m or more?
- 200,000 English people
- 10 millions of people from muslims countries (over 25 countries). ->muslims , the only numbers we got say 10%. i dont know if they are reliable, that would make 6ml

blacks(conting the muslims), a few millions. Asians 1.

muslims are over estimated.

thats my personnal views.

In 2004, there were more 'foreign' babies born in Hamburg's hospitals than German babies...

Where did you read this? Any sources?

In raw numbers I suspect France or UK

Per capita I suspect Netherlands or Switzerland

I think the UK can claim the most diversity, i.e. the biggest number of different groups with a big enough population to be a "community" even if France does beat us regarding raw numbers of immigrants.

The Netherlands 2004
Total population 16 258 032
Foreign* 3 088 152 --> 19%
(Foreign 1st generation* 1 602 730 --> 10%)

From:
EU 748 417
Non-western countries 1 668 297
Western countries 1 419 855

Europe 1 303 662
Africa 501 687
America 564 056
Asia 699 469
Oceania 19 278

*Foreign = 1st & 2nd generation (First generation: persons born abroad with at least one parent born abroad. Second generation: persons born in the Netherlands with at least one parent born abroad.)

Source CBS (http://www.cbs.nl)

heres my modifications ot the above post

- 4,2 millions of Brittanian (Celtic ethny) -> more. many more. Paris alone had 2ml britons in 1890. So many people have briton ancestry in Paris metro , almost all the white you see. From kool shen to dieudone MBALAMBALA from Francois pinau :runaway:
same in le havre bordeaux , ect. id say at least 7ml



Foreign ethny :
- 6 millions of Portuguese people (first foreign community) -> Even my half portuguese friend who is very proud says 2m to 2.5

- 200,000 Spaniard -> way more like 1 m or more?
- 200,000 English people
- 10 millions of people from muslims countries (over 25 countries). ->muslims , the only numbers we got say 10%. i dont know if they are reliable, that would make 6ml

blacks(conting the muslims), a few millions. Asians 1.

muslims are over estimated.

thats my personnal views.


I'd rather say that north africans are over estimated, while blacks are underestimated, don't forget a lot of blacks are muslims, and I see far more blacks where I live then north africans

switzerland

Coming from Rotterdam (city with >200 nationalities) I tended to choose The Netherlands. However, large parts of the lowlands are pretty 'white' so I will not vote and let the statistics speak for themselves.

Holland is not a country. Usually I don't care if people say/write Holland instead of The Netherlands, only when someone from Holland does.
Holland is a country that colonized the rest of the lowlands and some more. Just accept it, you servant of the Great Empire of Holland! :D

It's not that much work to write down The Netherlands in a poll option or just use NL, that one's shorter too. That would be nice to those +10 million Dutch that are not living in Holland.
Stop blaming us alone! Ever been to southern Limburg? I lived there and they even call people from northern Limburg "Hollanders", just to underline how different they are. :bash:

Hollanders are actually an ethnic minority in this country. ;)
6 million out of 16 million a minority? ;)

UK... (58.7 million 2001)

8.3% or 4.9 million overseas born (2001) Stats (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=767)

Ethnicity data:

7.9% or 4.64 million minority ethnic overall

4.0% or 2.3 million "Asian" (mostly South Asian; Indian Subcontinent)

of which:

1.8% or 1.1 million were Indian
1.3% or 0.75 million were Pakistani
0.5% or 0.28 million were Bangladeshi
0.4% or 0.25 million were "other Asian" (excludes "Chinese" so mostly Sri Lankan, Vietnamese etc)

2% or 1.15 million Black or Black British

of which:

1% or 0.57 million Black Caribbean
0.8% or 0.49 million Black African (has since grown a lot)
0.2% or 97,500 "Black Other"

0.4% or 0.25 million Chinese

"Other" = 0.4% or 0.23 million

"Mixed" = 1.2% or 0.68 million

Stats (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=764)

The 2001 census categories were poor and ignored significant ethnic groups in the UK such as Arab, Turkish, Greek, Italian, Portuguese, North African, Sri Lankan, Somali, Kosovan, Bosnian, Gypsy and also ignored the fact that a large % of Asians came via East Africa (Uganda, Kenya, Tanzania etc).

Since 2001 the Black African and Eastern European populations have burgeoned, other groups have remained pretty stable. Black Africans (Nigerians, Ghanaian, Congolese, Liberian etc) have undoubtedly outstripped Black Caribbeans by now.

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As you can see, the above data focuses on "visible" minorities, if we start going down the road of considering "non-visible" minorities like Irish (the biggest ethnic minority in the UK), Jews (mostly 20th century migrants from Russia, Germany etc), Italians (large influx in the 20th century) and so forth you find a much larger ethnic % (15-20%?).

Nearly 10%, or 5 million people in the UK have at least an Irish Parent or Grandparent.

sweden has 26% immigrates.

Where did you read this? Any sources?
Statistisches Bundesamt and Standesamt in Hamburg could be sources. This was mentioned on the radio 1 live, when I was in Germany last year. This was one of these this was ... reviews! :cheers: :)

traditional population - Russia

population including inmigrants and their sons - UK or France.

this is probably a useless post.

but i feel strongly abt this subject.
in the uk ethnic minorities are concentrated almost exclusively in the larger cities, like nottingham, where i live. i dont see the countryside much, but whenever i do it always feels a bit strange being somewhere where everyone is white.

yep that was pretty useless.

this is probably a useless post.

but i feel strongly abt this subject.
in the uk ethnic minorities are concentrated almost exclusively in the larger cities, like nottingham, where i live. i dont see the countryside much, but whenever i do it always feels a bit strange being somewhere where everyone is white.

yep that was pretty useless.

Useless factoid:

2% Of people in Nottingham are Mixed Black Caribbean / White.

Maybe Nottingham will become like Cuba in 100 years where almost everyone is Mixed Race?

Fastest growing Ethnic Group in the UK; Mixed Race. It shows how easily other races integrate into UK society if nothing else (especially Black Caribbean, more children are being born with one Black Caribbean parent than two in the UK).

bendito mestizaje!

Switzerland:
4 official languages
3 historical parts of Europe (Alemanic, Bourgogne, Lombardia)
22% foreigner population (Geneva: 45%)
155 nations

but the UK, Holland and France have a much higher African/Asian foreign pop.

UK... (58.7 million 2001)

8.3% or 4.9 million overseas born (2001) Stats (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=767)

Ethnicity data:

7.9% or 4.64 million minority ethnic overall

4.0% or 2.3 million "Asian" (mostly South Asian; Indian Subcontinent)

of which:

1.8% or 1.1 million were Indian
1.3% or 0.75 million were Pakistani
0.5% or 0.28 million were Bangladeshi
0.4% or 0.25 million were "other Asian" (excludes "Chinese" so mostly Sri Lankan, Vietnamese etc)

2% or 1.15 million Black or Black British

of which:

1% or 0.57 million Black Caribbean
0.8% or 0.49 million Black African (has since grown a lot)
0.2% or 97,500 "Black Other"

0.4% or 0.25 million Chinese

"Other" = 0.4% or 0.23 million

"Mixed" = 1.2% or 0.68 million

Stats (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=764)

The 2001 census categories were poor and ignored significant ethnic groups in the UK such as Arab, Turkish, Greek, Italian, Portuguese, North African, Sri Lankan, Somali, Kosovan, Bosnian, Gypsy and also ignored the fact that a large % of Asians came via East Africa (Uganda, Kenya, Tanzania etc).

Since 2001 the Black African and Eastern European populations have burgeoned, other groups have remained pretty stable. Black Africans (Nigerians, Ghanaian, Congolese, Liberian etc) have undoubtedly outstripped Black Caribbeans by now.

------------------------------------------------

As you can see, the above data focuses on "visible" minorities, if we start going down the road of considering "non-visible" minorities like Irish (the biggest ethnic minority in the UK), Jews (mostly 20th century migrants from Russia, Germany etc), Italians (large influx in the 20th century) and so forth you find a much larger ethnic % (15-20%?).

Nearly 10%, or 5 million people in the UK have at least an Irish Parent or Grandparent.

with that in mind im pretty sure france has more than 10-15millions , counting all the minorities

algerians,moroccans,tunisians,turkish,jews,italians,spanishs,portuguese,polish,black from the french caribeans, mixed pple from la reunion,tzigans,chinese,viets, and various african pple.


but theires no number for france

with that in mind im pretty sure france has more than 10-15millions , counting all the minorities

algerians,moroccans,tunisians,turkish,jews,italians,spanishs,portuguese,polish,black from the french caribeans, mixed pple from la reunion,tzigans,chinese,viets, and various african pple.


but theires no number for france

Yes as I said France or UK definitely is the most diverse in terms of raw numbers, and I suspect that France probably has the most out of the two. I've heard some pretty daft assertions about the size of France's ethnic population (e.g. France = 20% Muslim) in the absence of any data, but I think your "top end" of 15 million is a bit too high (=25%).

I think that considering all minorities inc. Portuguese in France and Irish in the UK both countries would be in the region of 15% ethnic minority... I wouldn't count, for instance, an Englishman with one Irish parent but who has never been to Ireland "ethnic Irish" even if they say otherwise.

Well, even though it's a bit stupid to say this because there is no such thing as a comon ethnicity for all "white" french people, portugeses are a bit further from "white" french people, then the irish are to the british "whites" since most Portugeses look meditaranean.

Do you see what I mean?

Well, even though it's a bit stupid to say this because there is no such thing as a comon ethnicity for all "white" french people, portugeses are a bit further from "white" french people, then the irish are to the british "whites" since most Portugeses look meditaranean.

Do you see what I mean?

That's to the untrained eye perhaps... You can probably spot a French person with Portuguese ancestry and I can spot a British person with Irish ancestry but not vice versa. French people to me are stereotypically closer to Southern than Northern European in appearence, so I'd just assume an ethnic Portuguese speaking French to be French, just as you'd assume an ethnic Irish with an English accent to be English.

Useless factoid:

2% Of people in Nottingham are Mixed Black Caribbean / White.

Maybe Nottingham will become like Cuba in 100 years where almost everyone is Mixed Race?

Fastest growing Ethnic Group in the UK; Mixed Race. It shows how easily other races integrate into UK society if nothing else (especially Black Caribbean, more children are being born with one Black Caribbean parent than two in the UK).

i fuckin hope it happens sooner than that man. mixed race girls are well fit (mostly).

per capita i wouldnt be surprised if Sweden was ahead of all these when it comes to immigrants..

per 100.000 that is... otherwise, im the biggest country of these has the most nationalities. France or England probably.

Sweden is 10 % foreign born i believe.. and even more with immigrant background..

Even if we have much more with 21%, I think the most foreigners in Europe has Luxemburg - I heard it's something about 40%. As I said Canton of Geneva with 45% on nearly half a million people is also not bad ;)

I Think France

The only way to judge this is too ask how deeply are minorities embeeded in the overall processes of the nation? Are there Minority government officials? If so how much as a percentage? How popular is ethnic(S) music vs the domestic music? How pervasive is ehtnic fashion, ethnic schoolteachers, etc..

In this regard U.K leads by far.

The only way to judge this is too ask how deeply are minorities embeeded in the overall processes of the nation? Are there Minority government officials? If so how much as a percentage? How popular is ethnic(S) music vs the domestic music? How pervasive is ehtnic fashion, ethnic schoolteachers, etc..

In this regard U.K leads by far.

I think that immigrants' cultures have shaped British identity enormously.

Most immigrants traditionally came from the Commonwealth and the original migrants of the 1940's-1970's had a strong British identity even before arriving here, this I think helped them integrate (e.g. a love of Cricket, respect for Royalty etc). Their children and grandchildren posed more challenges (e.g. the widespread Race Riots of the 1980's) but I think we have come out the other side of these dark days to become a truly multicultural, multi-race, multi-faith society.

The only failings now are the isolation of some Asian Muslim communities (e.g. Bengali in east London and Pakistani in Bradford, Burnley, Oldham etc) which are in my opinion self-imposed. I think that once communities shut themselves off and occupy whole swathes of towns with little interaction with the outside world, then "Multiculturalism" has failed miserably and you get Ghettoisation, which is never a good thing.

UK, France or the Netherlands.

Which is logical, considering they had the most colonies. German and Spanish cities look very white to me in general, eventhough Spain had a lot of colonies too. I just visited Barcelona and was wondering where they hid the foreigners. Barcelona is very cool, but very non-multicultural.

From FBI's world factbook:

Netherlands:
Dutch 83%, other 17% (of which 9% are non-Western origin mainly Turks, Moroccans, Antilleans, Surinamese and Indonesians) (1999 est.)

Germany
German 91.5%, Turkish 2.4%, other 6.1% (made up largely of Greek, Italian, Polish, Russian, Serbo-Croatian, Spanish)

UK:
English 81.5%, Scottish 9.6%, Irish 2.4%, Welsh 1.9%, Ulster 1.8%, West Indian, Indian, Pakistani, and other 2.8%

I feel that the UK stats are off, considering Scottish, Irish, Ulster and Welsh should be calculated with the English. I also don't know if the stats are right.

Even if we have much more with 21%, I think the most foreigners in Europe has Luxemburg - I heard it's something about 40%. As I said Canton of Geneva with 45% on nearly half a million people is also not bad ;)

Rotterdam, Amsterdam and The Hague all have close to 50%. And besides, most foreigners in Luxembourg are either French, Belgian or German. Not a lot of non-western foreigners.

UK, France or the Netherlands.

Which is logical, considering they had the most colonies. German and Spanish cities look very white to me in general, eventhough Spain had a lot of colonies too. I just visited Barcelona and was wondering where they hid the foreigners. Barcelona is very cool, but very non-multicultural.

From FBI's world factbook:

Netherlands:
Dutch 83%, other 17% (of which 9% are non-Western origin mainly Turks, Moroccans, Antilleans, Surinamese and Indonesians) (1999 est.)

Germany
German 91.5%, Turkish 2.4%, other 6.1% (made up largely of Greek, Italian, Polish, Russian, Serbo-Croatian, Spanish)

UK:
English 81.5%, Scottish 9.6%, Irish 2.4%, Welsh 1.9%, Ulster 1.8%, West Indian, Indian, Pakistani, and other 2.8%

I feel that the UK stats are off, considering Scottish, Irish, Ulster and Welsh should be calculated with the English. I also don't know if the stats are right.

yeah i think those uk stats are a bit wrong, especially considering that they suggest non-white people make up only 2.8% of the population! i believe its more like 10%, but i dont have stats. also, its a bit strange separating english, scottish, welsh and irish into separate groups because weve been happily interbreeding for centuries, meaning there is little or no difference in ethnicity between us.

UK:
English 81.5%, Scottish 9.6%, Irish 2.4%, Welsh 1.9%, Ulster 1.8%, West Indian, Indian, Pakistani, and other 2.8%

I feel that the UK stats are off, considering Scottish, Irish, Ulster and Welsh should be calculated with the English. I also don't know if the stats are right.

Yeah those figures are bollocks... refer back to the 2001 census data I posted further up the page...

7.9% / 4.64 million Ethnic Minority 2001, and that excludes all European minorities, the Irish, and all of the "native" minorities like Welsh and Scottish.

If you go down the road of considering everyone except ethnic White English a minority then the UK is at the very least 20% ethnic minority (I'd suspect more in the region of 25% in 2005). I think this is a bit daft though, as firstly Welsh and Scottish are by definition part of the UK, so its like considering Californians a minority in the USA and secondly there's been so much mixing between English / Scottish / Welsh / Irish that they aren't distinct races (even though they have distinct culture / language etc).

I see alot of emphasis on breaking down specific sub-european groups. My question basically stems from how we classify groups in the U.S., be it accurate and fair or not. What is the racial breakdown of Europe and the individual European nations?. Example: Caucasian/white/european origin, black/sub-saharan african origin, Middle-easterner(North Africa and Western Asia), South and Eastern asian, and hispanic(Latin americans), and lastly mixed raced heritage. There possibly could be no census done in europe by this fashion, but just curious if anyone has stats. Thanx

Spain would be my guess.

I see alot of emphasis on breading down specific sub-european groups. My question basically stems from how we classify groups in the U.S., be it accurate and fair or not. What is the racial breakdown of Europe and the individual European nations?. Example: Caucasian/white/european origin, black/sub-saharan african origin, Middle-easterner(North Africa and Western Asia), South and Eastern asian, and hispanic(Latin americans), and lastly mixed raced heritage. There possibly could be no census done in europe by this fashion, but just curious if anyone has stats. Thanx

I refer you back to my earlier post on the subject, quoting the 2001 UK Census data:

7.9% or 4.64 million minority ethnic overall

4.0% or 2.3 million "Asian" (mostly South Asian; Indian Subcontinent)

of which:

1.8% or 1.1 million were Indian
1.3% or 0.75 million were Pakistani
0.5% or 0.28 million were Bangladeshi
0.4% or 0.25 million were "other Asian" (excludes "Chinese" so mostly Sri Lankan, Vietnamese etc)

2% or 1.15 million Black or Black British

of which:

1% or 0.57 million Black Caribbean
0.8% or 0.49 million Black African (has since grown a lot)
0.2% or 97,500 "Black Other"

0.4% or 0.25 million Chinese

"Other" = 0.4% or 0.23 million

"Mixed" = 1.2% or 0.68 million

As I have already alluded to, these groupings leave a little to be desired.

The 2 major groups are "Asian" (Meaning Indian Subcontinent here, unlike the USA where it is synonymous with far eastern races) and "Black" (which is roughly split equally between Caribbeans and Subsaharan Africans). There was no option for Arab, Middle Eastern, North African, Turkish and the only Far eastern category was "Chinese" (thus ignoring significant Vietnamese, Thai, Burmese and Korean populations).

Rotterdam, Amsterdam and The Hague all have close to 50%. And besides, most foreigners in Luxembourg are either French, Belgian or German. Not a lot of non-western foreigners.
Amsterdam is indead a very mixed city as I remember - similar only to London. I don't know how it is nowadays but some 10 or 15 years ago 70% of the foreigners in Luxemburg were Portuguese - at least this is what we learned in the university.

Bosnia?

sweden for sure 15% of sweden are imagrints

I am really surprised nobody mentioned Bosnia and Herzegovina.

It is with no doubt definitely the most ethnicly diversed country in Europe. There are three nations : Bosniaks (Muslims), Serbs and Croats living there. And all of the nations are of different religion. Bosniaks being muslims, Croats are catholic, and Serbs are orthodox christians.

Belgium and Switserland are also an interesting mixture of germanic and romanic.

UK, The Netheralnds, France and Germany have probably the highest percentage of immigrant minorities.

It's really hard to tell for France, we have aproximately between 5 and 10 million muslims, nobody knows for sure, about half or 2/3 of these muslims are north africans,

For fvck sake i don't where those people get this stat. get a life. there are at most 4.2 million muslims, many of which are muslim students, bussinessmen. the record is from muslim mosque. 10 million muslim you are crazy, if this was so, there will be civil war there and muslim being deported.

Probably France :
- 6 millions of Alsacian (Germanic ethny)
- 4,2 millions of Brittanian (Celtic ethny)
- 730,000 of Basques
- 100,000 Flemish
- 272,000 of Corsican (South Europe/ Italian ethny)
- 8 millions of Provence people (Italian ethny)

Foreign ethny :
- 6 millions of Portuguese people (first foreign community)
- 200,000 Spaniard
- 200,000 English people
- 10 millions of people from muslims countries (over 25 countries)

i disagree the way you classified alsacian(lorrainers included) and breton as germanic and celt. you are crazy or what. They are french, french are romano-germano-celts (Frank, romans and celt). Wtf with you people. alsacian and breton are french not celts or germanic. 8 milions italians in France ewwww, they are also french a mixture of gallo-romans.

For fvck sake i don't where those people get their. get a life. there are at most 4.2 million, of which many are muslim students, bussinessman. the record is from muslim mosque. 10 million muslim you are crazy, if this was so, there will be civil war there already and muslim being deported.


you moved to AUS because you like the governement facists views dont you?

breton = celt before french

Britain

breton = celt before french

Wrong Breton are french not celt, Gaul the orignal people of france were also celts. But nowadays we are all french not germanic, celt or italian.

Wrong Breton are french not celt, Gaul the orignal people of france were also celts. But nowadays we are all french not germanic, celt or italian.

You should tell this to the Bretons not to us. :)

Immigration numbers for Spain from January 2004 to December 2004.

657.174 new foreigners in 2004

Main Nationalities:

Romania: 106.340
Morocco: 84.844
UK: 49.940
Bolivia: 44.455
China: 28.802
Bulgary: 21.456
Argentina: 21.049
Colombia: 20.006
Italy : 17.370
Brazil: 16.252
Ecuador: 16.102
Peru: 15.754
Germany :14.650
Ucraine: 12.352
Uruguay: 10.649
Paraguay: 10.476
France: 10.042
Venezuela :9.982
Portugal: 9.881
Philippines : 8.512
Pakistan: 8.511
Dominican Rep.: 8.427
Poland: 8.237
Senegal: 7.869
Russia: 7.491
Chile: 7.319
Nigeria: 6.561
Argelia: 6.375
Netherlands: 5.447
Cuba: 4.926
Mexico: 4.694
India: 3.592
USA: 3.392
Lithuania: 3.118
Ghana: 2.985
Moldova: 2.812
Belgium: 2.623
Gambia: 2.427
Mauritania: 2.084
Guinea: 2.035
Sweden: 1.964
Ireland: 1.902
Honduras: 1.858
Armenia: 1.640
Ecuatorial Guinea: 1.258
Switzerland: 1.206
Denmark: 1.043


1st of January 2005. TOTAL NUMBER 3.691.547 8,4%

Main nationalities

Morocco 505.373
Ecuador 491.797
Romania 314.349
Colombia 268.931
UK 224.841
Argentina 151.878
Germany 131.887
Bolivia 96.844
Italy 94.464
Bulgaria 91.339
China 86.681
Peru 84.427
France 76.949
Portugal 65.611
Ukraine 65.096
Dom Rep 56.421
Brazil 53.700
Venez. 48.700
Algeria 45.791
Cuba 44.594
Uruguay 42.062
Poland 35.962
Russia 35.942
Chile 35.579
Nether. 33.544
Pakistan 31.652
Senegal 29.334
Nigeria 26.877
Belgium 26.388
USA 25.576
Mexico 22.762
Philipp. 19.622
India 17.463
Paraguay 16.210
Gambia 15.747
Sweden 15.658
Switz. 14.526
E. Guinea 12.888
Norway 12.444
Lithuania 12.471
Mali 12.058
Ghana 10.428
Maurit. 9.527
Ireland 9.521
Moldavia 9.251
Denmark 8.777
Finnland 8.326
Guinea 7.981
Armenia 7.780
Honduras 6.986
Austria 6.678

EUROPE 1.336.214
AMERICA 1.460.176
AFRICA 705.944
ASIA 186.227
OCEANIA 2.284

Probably France :
- 6 millions of Alsacian (Germanic ethny)
- 4,2 millions of Brittanian (Celtic ethny)
- 730,000 of Basques
- 100,000 Flemish
- 272,000 of Corsican (South Europe/ Italian ethny)
- 8 millions of Provence people (Italian ethny)

Foreign ethny :
- 6 millions of Portuguese people (first foreign community)
- 200,000 Spaniard
- 200,000 English people
- 10 millions of people from muslims countries (over 25 countries)


Let's make this a little better.

First what do you call Germanic ethnicity? Mind you, every French has Germanic roots at a point.

What do you call Celtic ethnicity? Mind you, every French has Celtic roots at a point.

Flemish isn't an ethnicity either, Provence isn't Italian ethinicity at all dude. The Provencal language isn't even Italo-Romance but Gallo-Romance.

What's next, Languedocian will be tagged as Spanish? Toulouse a Spanish city?

You can't count by antic ethnicity as it means nothing anymore. You could count in foreign nationality but neither Alsace, Brittany, Corsica or Provence are not foreign countries.

the UK or France ...

Europe is 96% white out of 830 million people (most non-whites in Western Europe)

U.S. is 65% white

Canada is 84% white

Australia is 92% white

it would have been the soviet union until it's collapse... but it maybe still is russia

there are over a million of each of chechens, ukrainians, armenians, tatars, bashkirs, chuvash in russia.. about 80% of russia is russian and about 85% slavic (according to wikipedia)

Europe is 96% white out of 830 million people (most non-whites in Western Europe)

U.S. is 65% white

Canada is 84% white

Australia is 92% white
What does all this have to do with ethnicity?

so I take it Switzerland and Germany are about 1/5 foreign born.

I think Switzerland pips it still, with 22% foreign born alone. Foreign ancestry would up this figure significantly. Also there are the native ethnicities themselves.

I would argue that diversity has two components, the % foreign born, and the variation of that population from different nations and regions of the world. According to the GUM site, Switzerland has the highest proportion of its population foreign born. As far as variation goes, I'd imagine that the United Kingdom would top a list like that, while a large proportion of the foreign born population in a nation like Switzerland would be made up of other western European people. Variation data is difficult to quantify, compare, or rank.

European nations with the highest foreign born populations in 2005
01. Switzerland 22.79%
02. Austria 15.06%
03. Ukraine 14.70%
04. Ireland 14.11%
05. Germany 12.27%

06. Spain 11.12%
07. France 10.70%
08. Netherlands 10.05%
09. United Kingdom 9.06%
10. Russia 8.44%

http://gstudynet.org/gum/

I'd argue that the United Kingdom is the most ethnically diverse even though it's only 9th when it comes to the % of the population that is foreign born.

What about Russia? Belgium has three native people, it's also diverse, but Russia is the most diverse.

4 year old thread! Someone really went far down the pages to find this thread. :lol:

Anyway, it's probably Russia.

am i alone in thinking that similar neighbouring countries shouldn't really count? Americans living in Canada don't really add to the diversity. same for Irish in England, New Zealanders in Australia. even British in all of the above mentioned countries really just equals more white people.

I say it's Russia.

am i alone in thinking that similar neighbouring countries shouldn't really count? Americans living in Canada don't really add to the diversity. same for Irish in England, New Zealanders in Australia. even British in all of the above mentioned countries really just equals more white people.

You are so ignorant. The white race is the most diverse in the world. I'm pretty sure it's totaly different somebody from Greece or Persia than somebody from Finland, even though those mentioned are considered to be part of the same race.

I don't get why people are still so delineated by colour of skin and race (as opposed to ethnicity or country). That's very 20th Century...

Where's Russia?

Where's Russia?

little country tucked away down in the South Pacific somewhere

Where's Russia?

Alright, here you go:

foreign born population: 12,079,626
total population: 143,202,000
% foreign born: 8.44%

Russia has the largest foreign born population in Europe, but it is heavily skewed to people from other former Soviet republics. http://gstudynet.org/gum/Russia.htm

Bosniaks account for 48% of the population of their own country. There is your winner. You dont have to count immigrants to find ethnical diversity.

I don't get why people are still so delineated by colour of skin and race (as opposed to ethnicity or country). That's very 20th Century...

Not with Globalization going on the way it has been. If I walk in the U.K. and see a German, Dutch or Polish immigrant I would just think "there's a white person". Their children will just blend in to white British society anyway. I would never think "look at all these white people, I wonder what their nationality is". I also don't go out in public and wonder "gee, look at all these interesting looking people", I'm so curious as to who is gay, bi, lesbian, transexual or hemaphrodite. I would notice however at the wonderful mix of different appearances and dress of people. It's not racist to notice races. Are you a gay basher because you notice a gay person's existence. Labels are a part of understanding and like a gun, the responsibility lies in the hands of it's user.

A German and Italian are just as different as a Korean and Japanese person are. Within every race, there are a myriad differences: language, culture, customs, religion, dress, etc. In the end, diversity takes into account all of it. You can't just dismiss some of it because it appears more similar to you on the surface.

Which nation is the most diverse? The best test would be to take a representative cross section of the population, say 1000 people. Then document how many races, religions, cultures, etc. exist in that sample group and in what quantity they occur. I'd be surprised if the United Kingdom didn't come at or near the top of an analysis of that type.

Regardless, all European countries have a way to go to equal diversity levels that currently exist in Canada, Australia, and the United States.

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Exactly. Even within the native population of a country (eg Germany) you have huge cultural and linguistic differences.

Europe is 96% white out of 830 million people (most non-whites in Western Europe)

U.S. is 65% white

Canada is 84% white

Australia is 92% white

Please don't dig up ancient threads which clearly don't adhere to the subforum rules.