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Carolina Blue
May 13th, 2005, 04:02 AM
This store will be part of a new lifestyle center being developed in the Charlotte area with an “all brick” theme.


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Kwinone/Walmart.bmp


Posted on Wed, May. 11, 2005

A Gothic Wal-Mart?

The Wal-Mart Supercenter planned for Montcross won't look like any other in the country.

The all-brick exterior will feature Gothic-style architecture resembling the buildings on the Belmont Abbey campus across Interstate 85.

"We wanted that look," said Bill Monroe of WGM Design Inc., which created the mixed-use project's master plan. "We want all the property to be perceived as a unified development."

Wal-Mart plans to start construction in 30 to 45 days on land leased from the Southern Benedictine Society of North Carolina, which supports the college.

Wal-Mart spokesman Glen Wilkins hasn't seen the design.

But, he said, "We're trying to make sure we are more a part of the community. We try to build stores people are going to be happy with."

Monroe said the Benedictine Society has the right to review and approve all building designs on its property.

"We will continue to expect brick facilities with a suggestion of Gothic architecture on all buildings," he said. "For instance, the Hampton Inn & Suites (planned for Montcross) will also be all brick with Gothic detailing."

Here’s the full article about the Montcross development:

Posted on Wed, May. 11, 2005

The next Ballantyne?

Years of talk jell into mixed-use vision along I-85

DOUG SMITH

The Next Big Thing

Years of talk jell into mixed-use vision for 5 miles along I-85 The next big thing in mixed-use development might be just across the Mecklenburg line in Gaston County -- within 20 minutes of uptown Charlotte.

Montcross doesn't have the name recognition of Ballantyne, but real estate watchers believe development along this five-mile stretch of Interstate 85 could become Gaston's answer to south Mecklenburg's 2,000-acre mixed-use development.

They see shops, offices, homes, hotels and medical facilities popping up on nearly 1,100 acres between two interchanges. . The largest portion of Montcross lies in Belmont, but parts of Mount Holly, McAdenville and Cramerton also touch its boundaries.

Bill Monroe, whose WGM Design Inc. of Charlotte created the development plan, believes that in 20 to 30 years it could grow to an employment base of at least 10,000 and generate millions in new investment.

The experts don't challenge that prediction.

Homeowners already have discovered Gaston, where residential development is booming, particularly along the South Point peninsula below Belmont.

And Interstate 485's interchange with I-85 has opened within two miles of Belmont's city limit, greatly improving access via the outerbelt to most of Mecklenburg.

"That enhances the whole economic position of Gaston County," said real estate analyst Frank Warren of Warren & Associates in Charlotte.

The conversations that led to Montcross began about three years ago when the founders of Belmont Abbey College and Gaston's mill families realized their mutual interest in promoting quality growth could benefit the college and the community.

Now, things are beginning jell.

The landowners have a master plan for development, and a unifying name -- Montcross -- was unveiled just last week. Construction will start soon on property across I-85 from Belmont Abbey.

It's no surprise they're recognizing the region's westward growth and positioning their county to take advantage of it, Warren said.

"They have owned the land for a long time, and now the market has evolved to a point where a true mixed-use concept can be supported there," he said.

Donny Hicks, executive director of the Gaston County Economic Development Commission, said developers have expressed interest in the property over the past 20 to 30 years.

"But the timing has never been better," he said. "We're in the very early stages of how we are going to start marketing it."

The Southern Benedictine Society of North Carolina's need to generate an endowment for its monastery and Belmont Abbey, which it founded and sponsors, provided the catalyst for the landowners coming together.

The other participants are Pharr Yarns Inc., Alliance Real Estate III Inc. (the real estate arm of Parkdale Mills) and R.L. Stowe Mills Inc.

The partners formed a limited liability company called ASPA LLC to commission the master plan, but each ownership entity controls its property individually.

The nearly 500 acres of the Benedictine Society's land in Montcross will be leased long-term rather than sold, because the society is seeking a perpetual income stream to support the college and monastery. The other landowners expect to sell their parcels for development.

Alliance members emphasize they're more interested in making decisions in the best interest of the college and community than in turning a quick profit.

"This is a bit unique in that these landowners are going to continue to live in the community," Warren said. "They have to be good stewards of the land, because they will have to live with the results."

One of the first developments people will see is a Wal-Mart Supercenter across I-85 from the college and monastery.

The Benedictine Society touched off a controversy in Belmont three years ago when it announced plans to lease 25 acres of a 130-acre retail tract it owns to the nation's largest retailer.

Now, with a favorable vote behind it and a long-term lease agreement in hand, Wal-Mart expects to start construction of a roughly 187,000-square-foot Supercenter in 30 to 45 days.

Company officials says construction typically takes about 10 months.

Charlotte's Faison Enterprises is helping with development of the retail center, which likely will attract a variety of restaurants and shops seeking to be near the Supercenter.

Also, the Benedictine Society is preparing to announce that Hampton Inn & Suites will build a 101-room hotel on the retail tract, where construction crews are installing about three miles of streets in preparation for tenants.

Monroe of WGM Design said the hotel chain elevated its opinion of the site from good to great when it realized the lodging facility would be near two tourist attractions -- Stowe Botanical Garden and the whitewater park, to open next spring on the Mecklenburg side of the Catawba River.

He said hotel construction likely will begin this fall and probably be completed by next summer.

Monroe expects eventually to see a retirement community and medical offices join the Montcross development, as the college and the landowners feed off each other's projects.

"The philosophy is what's good for one is good for all," he said.

Why Montcross?

• The landowners in ASPA LLC chose the name Montcross to unify and brand their planned development along I-85.

• The name "speaks to our crossroads location off I-85 just across the Catawba River from Charlotte," said Harding Stowe, president and chief executive of R.L. Stowe Mills Inc. and managing member of ASPA. The geographic area also encompasses much of BelMONT and isn't far from Spencer Mountain.

• The Montcross logo is a stylized red-brick "M" that evokes Gothic arches, flying buttresses and other architectural features reminiscent of Belmont Abbey. Charlotte advertising and public relations firm Luquire George Andrews designed the logo.

Link: http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/business/columnists/doug_smith/11615788.htm

Carolina Blue
May 13th, 2005, 04:37 AM
Oh come on, if the yuppies in South Charlotte can have Phillips Place, why can’t the “Necks” in Gaston County have their upscale Wally World?

And actually, I spoke wrong; I don’t think this would be considered a “lifestyle center”.

Chibcha2k
May 13th, 2005, 06:05 AM
Lol...i couldn't cope with it sorry :lurker: .. . . but it reminds me so much to that South Park episode

Style™
May 13th, 2005, 06:09 AM
trash. pure trash.

'like not other' and they give that ugly rendering? that's about as generic as it gets for a friggin walmart. that's so stupid. i've had enough of this entire story.

gaviidae
May 13th, 2005, 06:20 AM
Nothing says class like a Wal-Mart with spires. Who knew you could add a gabled entry way to a Wal-Mart and call it "gothic"?

Looks like every tacky suburban strip development in America.

Agent Orange
May 13th, 2005, 06:35 AM
What has happened to our country, when developers give themselves a pat on the back and consumers get a boner just because a Wal-Mart decided to slap some bricks on its newest store. It's just sad, especially considering the relatively high quality of construction and architectual integrity that we had when we were a much less affluent nation.

oresaw
May 13th, 2005, 06:38 AM
http://www.pahrumpvalleytimes.com/2005/01/28/photos/walmart.jpg
Go from regular Wal-mart to GOTHIC Wal-mart in three easy steps.

1) Replace painted brick with red.
2) Replace plastic "Always" sign with stock arched windows.
3) Finally, for that knock 'em dead gothic appeal, add plastic finials to either side of the gabled entrance!

And there you have it! Now you too can build Gothic wonders! Eat your heart out Notre Dame the secret’s been cracked!

Honestly, those are the only differences between this Wal-Mart and the generic off the shelf model. The fact that they are insulting enough to assume that people believe that they are putting "care and time" into this design is nauseating.

Sean in New Orleans
May 13th, 2005, 07:54 AM
Looks like a spitting image of an "urban" Super-Walmart that opened about 9 months ago in the industrial side of the Warehouse District near Downtown New Orleans. There is a difference, though. I don't know how this Wal-Mart's parking lot will be, but, the one in New Orleans is divided nicely into different sections with large swaths of greenery and trees that divide the parking lot into quite a few different sections. It's only a mile from my house, so I utilize it with all the bohemians that live in this part of town. It's actually an interesting excursion seeing the people at this Wal-Mart in New Orleans. The ones in the suburbs are cluttered with bland parking lots, a big rectangular store, and loads of Mommy's and Daddy's with annoying, misbehaving children. :D

ExYankee
May 13th, 2005, 08:09 AM
A tragic charade.

hauntedheadnc
May 13th, 2005, 11:32 PM
This reminds me of an Ingles grocery store in Fletcher, perhaps the worst of Asheville's suburbs. The store is across the street from Calvary Episcopal Church, a very historic house of worship that dates to before the Civil War and was once commonly known as the "Westminster Abbey of the South." In deference to the historic church and cemetery across the street, Ingles went all out. They turned the store away from the road, so that it faced its parking lot rather than the church across Hendersonville Road, and -- wait for it -- they built the wall facing the street out of brick!

Golly. If you didn't know any better, you'd think the church had just expanded to the land across the street. Really. :no:

Justadude
May 14th, 2005, 04:01 PM
At least it's a step in the right direction. You're not going to get much better out of these huge retail corporations.

DuskTrooper
May 14th, 2005, 04:21 PM
That isn't gothic. Not even close. Looks like any other non-blue-box version of WM.

If you want to see a nice WM, look at the one in Anchorage.

SChristopher
May 14th, 2005, 05:08 PM
At least it's a step in the right direction. You're not going to get much better out of these huge retail corporations.

Exactly, we cant turn back now, we arent going to just cease building these things and decide main street america will rule again, so as long as they are building them they might as well look a little nicer. Granted its not gourgeous, for a big box it sure isnt appalling or as appaling as a giant cinder block warehouse.

SChristopher
May 14th, 2005, 05:09 PM
That isn't gothic. Not even close. Looks like any other non-blue-box version of WM.

If you want to see a nice WM, look at the one in Anchorage.

I agree that its not neccesarily gothic LOL, but I would like to see that one in Anchorage, do you have a picture or did you just see it in person?

louisianacharm
May 14th, 2005, 07:51 PM
this design is actually not original, as they have one of these in baton rouge, and many other cities across the country.

Style™
May 14th, 2005, 08:51 PM
^ i doubt its the exact same. ;)

DuskTrooper
May 14th, 2005, 10:27 PM
Here.

http://www.adn.com/images/images/1264940-400-x-88.jpg

FerrariEnzo
May 14th, 2005, 11:14 PM
Since when is all brick Gothic at all?? If anything its more Georgian.

starbuc jupiter
May 17th, 2005, 12:53 AM
Anchorage got the hooty-tooty one. They got rejected in two places in Atlanta in the last few months so when the proposed one on northside drive at I-75 they pulled out all the bag of tricks. It even has a parking deck and rumer is it will have hardwood floors. They had to do something Target is putting four more stores in the city.

nyxmike
May 17th, 2005, 01:02 AM
I think it's beautiful.

Monkey
May 17th, 2005, 01:08 AM
Gothic??? :rofl:

Neither Doug Smith or whoever wrote that article nor the Walmart boosters of this particular project seem to have the slightest idea about architectural terms. :down:

JTS LOU
May 17th, 2005, 01:21 AM
All of Louisville's new Walmarts have their own style. The new one on Outer Loop has a downtown streetscape scene.

waccamatt
May 17th, 2005, 09:22 AM
All of Louisville's new Walmarts have their own style. The new one on Outer Loop has a downtown streetscape scene.

Is that so people won't gripe about them putting all of the downtown mom and pop's out of business?

:bash:

Walmart = :devil:

SChristopher
May 17th, 2005, 11:04 AM
-- The one on bardstown road looks like a wannabe old dutch windmill neighborhood, and the new one down the road, bardstown road 2 looks like the 'gothic' one shown below. HAHA I guess walmart has come a long way in variety since the old blue and grey cinder block boxes.

Justadude
May 17th, 2005, 05:17 PM
It even has a parking deck

That's a good idea. Parking lots for big-boxes are ridiculously oversized (and typically only full 2 or 3 days of the whole year), which is even more annoying to me than their bland exterior design. I wouldn't have nearly so much a problem with these stores if they used space discriminately and were capable of being worked into a denser urban area.

starbuc jupiter
May 17th, 2005, 06:14 PM
The parking lot thing is what pisses me off as much as anything.

Vast acers of unused pavement are an eyesore and envionmentially damaging.
You don't want to get me started on parking lots.

Jasonhouse
May 17th, 2005, 07:50 PM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Kwinone/Walmart.bmp


Posted on Wed, May. 11, 2005

A Gothic Wal-Mart?

The Wal-Mart Supercenter planned for Montcross won't look like any other in the country.



What the hell are these people smoking? This Wal-Mart bears the same defining characteristics of every single other Wal-Mart in existence. The same!

Man, this is one seriously pathetic piece of PR marketing, trying to be disguised as a "news article". This "article" should have begun with a disclaimer that it was advertising for Wal-Mart.

ncvegas
June 8th, 2005, 04:53 AM
that is NOT gothic. i have seen lots of Wal-Marts that look exactly like that one, and they're just considered brick, not gothic.

Crimsonblake
June 11th, 2005, 02:13 AM
Yea right, next thing you know they'll call it "urban".

Brillemeister
June 12th, 2005, 01:40 AM
annoying, misbehaving children. :D

Arguably the worst consequence of Wal-Mart fever.

JPKneworleans
June 12th, 2005, 02:41 AM
Arguably the worst consequence of Wal-Mart fever.


I agree.

How's this for an annoucement. Today, at the Clearview Wal-Mart in suburban New Orleans, an employee made an announcement over the PA that was something like this:

Attention Wal-Mart shoppers. In light of the large number of shoppers in the store, we are requesting that parents please ensure that their children do no ride bicycles in the store.

Fiddlerontheruf
June 22nd, 2005, 07:00 PM
I suppose this is a "stunning break through in post-modernism" then...


http://www.middletownedc.org/images/Walmart.JPG

eweezerinc
August 4th, 2005, 02:07 AM
BAH Walmart will never know what Urban is really like until they stop taking up so much room. Build an underground parking garage and multistory your supercenters and we'll see little asthma children frollick happily again in once paved greenspace.
Or we can use the extra room for more condos, thats nice too. :D

Chris121091
August 9th, 2005, 01:24 AM
It's not ugly, ( honestly this thread is stupid ), it is barely worth talking about, and I would hardly call it gothic.

eweezerinc
August 9th, 2005, 05:54 AM
No, what's worth it about this thread is how NOT GOTHIC it is and how big suburban box developers are trying to get fancy and say they are putting specific care into the design of one of their stores, but honestly, a wal-mart is a wal-mart is a wal-mart.

Chris121091
August 9th, 2005, 06:07 PM
Who cares about Walmart? I'd rather shop at Target.