Whose fault is it? :)

Whose fault is it? :)

Sorry, but that`s a stupid poll. This question is to akward, that it can be answered with a simple poll.

What are you talking about? Seriously...I don't get what this has to do with anything. This is something you should or should have already learned in history.

I think this thread is not appropriate under "Citytalk and urban issues" section.

If USA didn't try to invade China like mac arthur did, China wouldn't sent troops to korea, is the fault of usa.

uh, the USA didnt invade China. When UN forces got near the Korea-China border and had nearly all of Korea under control, China invaded and reestablished North Korea and the hence the korean dividing line. China sent troops because it didnt want a western allied democracy on its border.

1950‘s Korea was anything but a democracy.

That is after the fact. China didn't know it wouldn't be totally democratic. It still would have been western allied anyway.

uh, the USA didnt invade China. When UN forces got near the Korea-China border and had nearly all of Korea under control, China invaded and reestablished North Korea and the hence the korean dividing line. China sent troops because it didnt want a western democracy on its border.

you are making a story.NK govt opened the first fire and found it couldn't afford,then it asked chinese govt for a help,china thought NK is neighbouring country and brother country,after having known USSR's joining later,china decided to send troops.

the border was decided by US and USSR,and that's well known that USSR accepted a border which is more northern one.

This thread shouldn't last long

Stupid poll! :bash:

you are making a story.NK govt opened the first fire and found it couldn't afford,then it asked chinese govt for a help,china thought NK is neighbouring country and brother country,after having known USSR's joining later,china decided to send troops.

the border was decided by US and USSR,and that's well known that USSR accepted a border which is more northern one.

The fact is that the North Korea invaded South Korea without telling China previously. And North Korea almost united all Korea. Then US troops came and defeated North Korea and progress till the boundary of China/North Korea. So China was drifted into this war and defeated (in some way) so called "UN troops" with a great loss. At last, N38 line became the boundary of N/S Korea. Just because of this war, taiwan problem was left unsolved till now.

mac arthur later said, those who want to fight with China land forces must be crazy. That's because China soldiers were brave and weren't afraid to die for the victory. At that time, China was very poor, isolated without any advanced equipment. But China did win (at least didn't lose) this war.

Kim himself.

Sorry guys, it was actually my fault. I was not yet born, and couldn't stop the miscommunication between the two parties. :(

I am, however curious as to how much and which parts of history Chinese people are taught, seeing as it's known McArthur "invaded" China, but most Chinese people here in the UK didn't know about the Tiananmen square protests till they came to the UK! I don't mean this as an insult, I'm just curious as to what is taught in school.

you are making a story.NK govt opened the first fire and found it couldn't afford,then it asked chinese govt for a help,china thought NK is neighbouring country and brother country,after having known USSR's joining later,china decided to send troops.

the border was decided by US and USSR,and that's well known that USSR accepted a border which is more northern one.

So how am I making a story? What you say doesn't contradict what I say. North Korea may have asked for China's help, but that wouldnt be the only reason they intefered. China wanted to keep a totalitarian nation on its borders, and an ally.

As for the border, yes the US and USSR may have decided it, but obviously it wouldn't be where it is if China's army hadn't attacked and pushed to that point.

Its the same



Basically, though, the origin of the split of Korea came right after ww2, while before the war it was whole. So ultimately you could say it was Japan that caused it. (the others just retained the division) Ironically Japan has the fewest votes on the poll.

Sorry guys, it was actually my fault. I was not yet born, and couldn't stop the miscommunication between the two parties. :(

I am, however curious as to how much and which parts of history Chinese people are taught, seeing as it's known McArthur "invaded" China, but most Chinese people here in the UK didn't know about the Tiananmen square protests till they came to the UK! I don't mean this as an insult, I'm just curious as to what is taught in school.

You're ignorant. Chinese government never told us that US invaded China. We know the fact. US wanted to surround China with it's army, but it was beaten in Korea and Vietnam.

And I do know the 1989 Tiananmen square protests. When I was in Peking University, some students even commemorate it in many ways.

So how am I making a story? What you say doesn't contradict what I say. North Korea may have asked for China's help, but that wouldnt be the only reason they intefered. China wanted to keep a totalitarian nation on its borders, and an ally.

If China send troops to Mexico ans set military base there, what will US do?

almost comical, but sad post. The facts of this are known the world over except for places where it has obviously been censored. Scary how much knowledged hasn't been taught and the perceptions it gives about certain nations.

United States, Russia and China. Because of tbe greed and hate

If China send troops to Mexico ans set military base there, what will US do?

Why can China station their forces in Mexico? The US helped you who were suffering from Japanese forces in China. That goes for Korea, too. The US got rid of Japanese forces by himself, so at least the US had the right to decide Korea's future though.

There are many reasons behind Korea's division, but I think the most decisive chain of events are the a-bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and Japan's early surrender. Back then Korea had a government-in-exile based in China, and it led the Korean Independence Army. Strategically aligned with the OSS, which laters becomes the CIA, the government-in-exile and KIA planned to drive out the Japanese forces and establish political control over Korea, but the plan was foiled when Japan surrendered before the attack. The government-in-exile never had the chance to establish political control, and instead of the KIA, the Russians and the U.S. forces occupied the penninsula.

Right after independence, the leadership was divided into the Russians and the Americans, and it brought political and ideological chaos. This ideological conflict got far worse when the two opposing political parties resorted to violence, e.g. assasination attempts at Kim Il Sung. It was the Russians and the Americans who temporarily divided Korea into two administrative regions. It was us Koreans that made ourselves into bitter enemies, to make that division permanent.

If Japan didn't surrender so early, the Korean government-in-exile could have successfully established political control over Korea, preventing the division itself and the chaos that made the two Koreas into bitter enemies. There are many to blame here, including Koreans, but ultimately, it was the American nukes and the Japanese surrender that lead to Korea's division. They're not to blame, however. It wasn't intended, and history is full of accidents that have long lasting consequences. I blame bad luck.

Why can China station their forces in Mexico? The US helped you who were suffering from Japanese forces in China. That goes for Korea, too. The US got rid of Japanese forces by himself, so at least the US had the right to decide Korea's future though.

And what about Koreans? Isn't your country supposed to support democraty?

Oh yeah, I forgot, south Korea was a US-backed military dictatorship for decades

The Korea government-in-exile was established in Shanghai. Nowdays, many Koreans come to visit the place where the government was established.

And what about Koreans? Isn't your country supposed to support democraty?

Oh yeah, I forgot, south Korea was a US-backed military dictatorship for decades

By the way the US released you from the Nazis and gave the permanent UN seat, but lately you don't take advice from him.

Yeah I thankfull for what the US did for Europe during the war, even if just right afterwards they screwed many things up allongside the soviet union.

Concerning the permanent UN seat I am no nationalist so I don't care about it, but it was thanks to De Gaulle's political skills more then anything else.

And the fact that the US (or anybody else) did many positive actions doesn't excuse them from doing negative things at the same time, it's not because a doctor will heal someone that he is allowed to injure an other at the same time, and it's not because I was once cured by this doctor that I can't talk about it

For fuck's sake, this section is for Citytalk and Urban Issues.