If you go onto the excellent and very comprehensive skyscrapernews.com, you can see the number of proposed/completed/under condtruction buildings in Yorkshire's cities.

The league table of highrise buildings according to skyscrapernews, is as follows: ( over 35 metres)


Leeds 160
Sheffield 85
Hull 28
Bradford 13
Doncaster 7

There's probably some missing in other Yorkshire towns, but it does give a good idea of those cities who are reaching for the sky!

Lots of proposals for Leeds but very few approvals if the site accurate?

Lots of proposals for Leeds but very few approvals if the site accurate?

aye - Mayfair, Clarence House, Plaza, BWP, and Globe Road approved - that 28, 20, 26, 30 and 31 storeys. Plaza and BWP u/c

Whitehall Road, West Central, Monksbridge works, Criterion Place and Kite Tower are all visions still.

One could say all mouth and no trousers - but hopefully not for long. If all these get realised then we'll be flying high.

Wow, didnt realise Hull had that many.

I didn't realise Doncasters population was almost the same has Bradfords.

Leed's metro population of 1,698,841, what areas does this cover?

Is it correct that the actual city of Leeds population is about 421,000? I was just reading a breif history of Leeds on Leedsnet.com (http://www.leedsnet.com/gl//staticpages/index.php?page=20020905110837901) and that's what it stated.

I didn't realise Doncasters population was almost the same has Bradfords.

Leed's metro population of 1,698,841, what areas does this cover?

Is it correct that the actual city of Leeds population is about 421,000? I was just reading a breif history of Leeds on Leedsnet.com (http://www.leedsnet.com/gl//staticpages/index.php?page=20020905110837901) and that's what it stated.


The old City of Leeds area is around 420,000 people. But since 1974, Leeds has strtched its boundaries to cover a Metropolitan area which is now covered by Leeds City Council, and this figure is around 720,000.This is the official Leeds population.

Leeds metro population you have stated, include the official "travel to work" areas defined by economists, and this is 1.6 million.

The old City of Leeds area is around 420,000 people. But since 1974, Leeds has strtched its boundaries to cover a Metropolitan area which is now covered by Leeds City Council, and this figure is around 720,000.This is the official Leeds population.

Leeds metro population you have stated, include the official "travel to work" areas defined by economists, and this is 1.6 million.

I've still no idea what area the Leeds metro covers it is very confusing and deceiving :?

I think the Leeds metro is calculated by combining the cities of Leeds (700,000 with extended boundires) Bradford (400,000) and Wakefield (300,000) That roughly adds upto 1.4 million, with an extra 200,000 for the other towns nearby, seems like a sensible estimate, considering Bradford and Wakefield merge into Leeds at certain points and large amounts of people commute into the 3 cities from each other.

Metro populations are pretty irrelevent realy though.

Wow, didnt realise Hull had that many.

Hull's are almost entirely council housing blocks which the council thare are unfortunately (or fortunately depending on one's viewpoint) actively demolishing many of them, particularly on the notorious Orchard Park Estate.

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Splendid photographs di Livio !

Really does show how much things have got better.

indeed, I did a piece of school work way back in 1990 about how they were redeveloping the Corn Exchange and White Cloth Hall. Its reads abysmally (I was only 12 at the time) and has some truely rubbish photos with have the subject matter cut out by bad positioning. As Fred2 says, crikey, how we've come on.

Its reads abysmally (I was only 12 at the time) and has some truely rubbish photos with have the subject matter cut out by bad positioning.

All part of a successful learning curve. ;)

One more image of the old Criterion Place site for good measure.

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I think the Leeds metro is calculated by combining the cities of Leeds (700,000 with extended boundires) Bradford (400,000) and Wakefield (300,000) That roughly adds upto 1.4 million, with an extra 200,000 for the other towns nearby, seems like a sensible estimate, considering Bradford and Wakefield merge into Leeds at certain points and large amounts of people commute into the 3 cities from each other.

Metro populations are pretty irrelevent realy though.

It shouldn't include Bradford, because that has a seperate entry. I've told gothic that I thought 1.7 million was too high. These aren't supposed to be metro figures. Just 'City' areas, but not cities as in council boroughs. This 1.7 million makes it just 0.2 million behind Manchester and 0.3 million behind Brum according to our figures on SNUK. Not right IMO.

I think the Leeds metro is calculated by combining the cities of Leeds (700,000 with extended boundires) Bradford (400,000) and Wakefield (300,000) That roughly adds upto 1.4 million, with an extra 200,000 for the other towns nearby, seems like a sensible estimate, considering Bradford and Wakefield merge into Leeds at certain points and large amounts of people commute into the 3 cities from each other.

Metro populations are pretty irrelevent realy though.

The Leeds Metropolitan Borough (i.e. all of whose households pay council tax only to Leeds City Council) has a population of 715,000. The old (prior to 1974) built up area of Leeds had a population of c. 500,000. West Yorkshire Metropolitan County, comprises Leeds, Bradford, Wakefield, Kirklees and Calderdale and has a population of 2,079,211 (2001 census figures)

West Yorkshire is what is described as the Leeds Metro. That includes Bradford. It might be more correct, when reffering to metro areas and populations, to refer to the county- Greater London, West Midlands, Merseyside, Greater Manchester, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, Tyne and Wear, Glasgow & Clyde Valley or Greater Glasgow.

Yes, but Leeds isn't really at the heart of West Yorkshire, more borders on West and North Yorkshire so is as much the heart of areas like York and Harrogate as it is Wakefield and Bradford.

Also consider that the new official 'Leeds City Region' does indeed include all these areas, and also I believe Hull.

Yes but its at the economical heart for the region. It drives the region. I don't know abotu Hull but I know Harrogate, York, Selby, WY and the tip of SY are all in the Leeds city region. Is Doncaster in it?

Liek I said earlier, it doesn't matter, because metro areas are irrelevant.

Yes but its at the economical heart for the region. It drives the region. I don't know abotu Hull but I know Harrogate, York, Selby, WY and the tip of SY are all in the Leeds city region. Is Doncaster in it?

Sheffield has its own city region (one of the eight) and I think Doncaster is in Sheffield's, but strangely I think Barnsley is in Leeds.

Sheffield has its own city region (one of the eight) and I think Doncaster is in Sheffield's, but strangely I think Barnsley is in Leeds.

Both Doncaster and Barnsley in South Yorkshire falls under the Sheffield city region, with Barnsley also sharing Sheffield postcode.

Both Doncaster and Barnsley in South Yorkshire falls under the Sheffield city region, with Barnsley also sharing Sheffield postcode.



This is how The Northern Way describes Leeds City Region:




Northern Way

Leeds City Region Diagnostic


1 How should the city region be defined?

1.1 Definition

The ‘Leeds’ city-region is at the economic heart of the Yorkshire and Humber region. It is based on the five West Yorkshire districts of Leeds, Bradford, Calderdale (which includes Halifax), Kirklees (which includes Huddersfield) and Wakefield; as well as Selby, York, and the southern parts of Harrogate and Craven in North Yorkshire; and Barnsley in South Yorkshire (which is also part of the Sheffield city-region). Hence the city-region covers ten local authority districts and spans three separate sub-regions. This corresponds with the definition of the city-region as a study area within the review of Regional Planning Guidance, undertaken to progress the Regional Spatial Strategy. This area was subject of the “Leeds and Environs Study”, which mapped the functional city-regional markets. The same definition of the city-region was used within the Leeds Core Cities Prospectus. In this context it should be noted that Leeds is the working title for the city-region and that the name of the city-region will be finalised through discussion with stakeholders in 2004.

The city-region districts have a total population of well over two and a half million people – over half the population of the whole Yorkshire and Humber region. Given the modest land area of the core of the city-region and its growth prospects, this points to high population density and inevitable pressures in terms of transport and congestion, which are considered later in this document. The city-region is notable in containing more than one city. Whilst Leeds and Bradford are the largest two cities respectively in the city-region area, York and Wakefield also have city status, whilst Huddersfield is the largest town in England that is not a city. The city-region covers a large area, including sizeable urban fringe and (semi) rural areas, and villages as well as its array of towns and cities.

Data for the population of each of these is set out below:

District Population (2001)
Leeds 715,000
Bradford 468,000
Kirklees 389,000
Wakefield 315,000
Calderdale 192,000
Barnsley 218,000
York 181,000
Harrogate 151,000
Selby 76,000
Craven 54,000
Total 2,759,000

Barnsley is widley considered to be a satellite town of Sheffield, The Northern Way clearly states this.

Buy any A-Z Map for the Sheffield Area and Barnsley will be in there.

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This is how The Northern Way describes Leeds City Region:
Northern Way

Leeds City Region Diagnostic
1 How should the city region be defined?

1.1 Definition

The ‘Leeds’ city-region is at the economic heart of the Yorkshire and Humber region. It is based on the five West Yorkshire districts of Leeds, Bradford, Calderdale (which includes Halifax), Kirklees (which includes Huddersfield) and Wakefield; as well as Selby, York, and the southern parts of Harrogate and Craven in North Yorkshire; and Barnsley in South Yorkshire (which is also part of the Sheffield city-region). Hence the city-region covers ten local authority districts and spans three separate sub-regions. This corresponds with the definition of the city-region as a study area within the review of Regional Planning Guidance, undertaken to progress the Regional Spatial Strategy. This area was subject of the “Leeds and Environs Study”, which mapped the functional city-regional markets. The same definition of the city-region was used within the Leeds Core Cities Prospectus. In this context it should be noted that Leeds is the working title for the city-region and that the name of the city-region will be finalised through discussion with stakeholders in 2004.

The city-region districts have a total population of well over two and a half million people – over half the population of the whole Yorkshire and Humber region. Given the modest land area of the core of the city-region and its growth prospects, this points to high population density and inevitable pressures in terms of transport and congestion, which are considered later in this document. The city-region is notable in containing more than one city. Whilst Leeds and Bradford are the largest two cities respectively in the city-region area, York and Wakefield also have city status, whilst Huddersfield is the largest town in England that is not a city. The city-region covers a large area, including sizeable urban fringe and (semi) rural areas, and villages as well as its array of towns and cities.

Data for the population of each of these is set out below:

District Population (2001)
Leeds 715,000
Bradford 468,000
Kirklees 389,000
Wakefield 315,000
Calderdale 192,000
Barnsley 218,000
York 181,000
Harrogate 151,000
Selby 76,000
Craven 54,000
Total 2,759,000

Incomprehensible definition - unless restricted purely to a study area!
Note the similar population to Greater Manchester - but there the similarity ends. For example: how many in this Leeds 'city region' consider Leeds City centre shopping centre as their principal shopping centre ? How many consider Leeds city centre as 'town' ? I would wager many more in GM consider Manchester city centre as their principal shopping centre etc. Same with commuters. I bet there are more commuters from Barnsley to Sheffield than to Leeds, and the commuting between Leeds and Bradford probably cancels out equally. Not so within GM where all roads and railway tracks seem to lead to Manchester city centre.

I know for a fact people in Barnsley would never refer to Leeds as their town or Sheffield for that matter and judging by this (http://www.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=55&ArticleID=880175) article in the Yorkshire Post from last November neither would councils in Wakefield, Bradford and Harrogate who would all prefer to stay independent from the Leeds city region.

To the majority of people these city regions don't mean a thing.

I know for a fact people in Barnsley would never refer to Leeds as their town or Sheffield for that matter and judging by this (http://www.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=55&ArticleID=880175) article in the Yorkshire Post from last November neither would councils in Wakefield, Bradford and Harrogate who would all prefer to stay independent from the Leeds city region.

To the majority of people these city regions don't mean a thing.

This 'city region' is a nebulous concept and I am sure you are right, but this is not about preferring to be independent, but whether people in these places regard Leeds as their prime shopping centre and place to commute to for work. I don't think that this is true and certainly not as true as for the constituent boroughs of Greater Manchester who regard, in the main, the centre of Manchester as their focus for these things.

I know for a fact people in Barnsley would never refer to Leeds as their town or Sheffield for that matter and judging by this (http://www.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=55&ArticleID=880175) article in the Yorkshire Post from last November neither would councils in Wakefield, Bradford and Harrogate who would all prefer to stay independent from the Leeds city region.

To the majority of people these city regions don't mean a thing.

I think we're in danger of missing the point here, folks. The whole city-region thingummy isn't about bigger cities swallowing up their surrounding towns. Nor is it about getting locals to change their habits (shopping, leisure activity, etc) or loyalties.

As I understand it, the city-region/core city model is an economic one, so it won't mean much to most people. The model is an acknowledgement that the city drives the economy of a wider area, which means that its success or failure has an impact that goes far far beyond its own boundaries. It's also worth bearing in mind that the city-regions notion is related to the Government-sponsored cores cities model so it's not something that been dreamed up by the megalomaniacs in Leeds Civic Hall.

I read the Yorkshire Post article with great interest, and it occurred to me that most of the politicians quoted were just posturing. Without the presence and success of Leeds, Bradford and (though to a lesser extent) Wakefield would be up shit creek without a paddle. If you don't believe me, consider how many people come in from those cities to work in Leeds. And, of course, they also come out of work hours for shopping and leisure.

However, part of the point of city regions is how the whole of that mini-region can develop economically without becoming too dependent on the core city. It's quite obvious that nobody would benefit if the entire working population of Barnsley and Huddersfield were to commute to Leeds every day. So, the question is: how can Leeds' continued prosperity help these places to become more attractive and prosperous?

I think we're in danger of missing the point here, folks. The whole city-region thingummy isn't about bigger cities swallowing up their surrounding towns. Nor is it about getting locals to change their habits (shopping, leisure activity, etc) or loyalties.

As I understand it, the city-region/core city model is an economic one, so it won't mean much to most people. The model is an acknowledgement that the city drives the economy of a wider area, which means that its success or failure has an impact that goes far far beyond its own boundaries. It's also worth bearing in mind that the city-regions notion is related to the Government-sponsored cores cities model so it's not something that been dreamed up by the megalomaniacs in Leeds Civic Hall.

I read the Yorkshire Post article with great interest, and it occurred to me that most of the politicians quoted were just posturing. Without the presence and success of Leeds, Bradford and (though to a lesser extent) Wakefield would be up shit creek without a paddle. If you don't believe me, consider how many people come in from those cities to work in Leeds. And, of course, they also come out of work hours for shopping and leisure.

However, part of the point of city regions is how the whole of that mini-region can develop economically without becoming too dependent on the core city. It's quite obvious that nobody would benefit if the entire working population of Barnsley and Huddersfield were to commute to Leeds every day. So, the question is: how can Leeds' continued prosperity help these places to become more attractive and prosperous?



Maybe. But I still fail to see how, for example, Leeds Supertram - claimed to be vital for the economic health of the WHOLE region (but which even its own vociferous protagonists could only claim would to have a marginal effect on Leeds traffic problems)- could possibly be of benefit in any way to the people of, say, Bradford.

Maybe. But I still fail to see how, for example, Leeds Supertram - claimed to be vital for the economic health of the WHOLE region (but which even its own vociferous protagonists could only claim would to have a marginal effect on Leeds traffic problems)- could possibly be of benefit in any way to the people of, say, Bradford.

I wasn't talking about Supertram but, since you mention it, transport links are an important part of the city-region equation.

Fred2, I dont know how many people consider Leeds as a principal shopping centre in the Yorkshire and Humber, but because Leeds is the best shopping centre in the region, people from Bradford, Huddersfield and Wakefield often will go and use it as a principal shopping centre. Here in Harrogate, Leeds is used as the main shopping centre. It costs 10p more to get to Leeds (40p to town bus, 50p to Leeds train) and there is a much wider range of shops. I think probably for people on the East coast, York might be a bigger shopping centre than Leeds, simply because its nearer.

I rarely hear people saying they're going to York, and when people go into Harrogate its for no more than a few hours. When people go for a days shopping its always Leeds.

Fred2, I dont know how many people consider Leeds as a principal shopping centre in the Yorkshire and Humber, but because Leeds is the best shopping centre in the region, people from Bradford, Huddersfield and Wakefield often will go and use it as a principal shopping centre. Here in Harrogate, Leeds is used as the main shopping centre. It costs 10p more to get to Leeds (40p to town bus, 50p to Leeds train) and there is a much wider range of shops. I think probably for people on the East coast, York might be a bigger shopping centre than Leeds, simply because its nearer.

I rarely hear people saying they're going to York, and when people go into Harrogate its for no more than a few hours. When people go for a days shopping its always Leeds.

This may be true of Harrogate but not necessarily of Bradford (or Barnsley, Halifax and Hudderdsfield)

Probably not for Barnsley. I would guess it is for Bradford though, seeing as Leeds is so close and easy to get to, and has a much wider range of shops, of a better quality. Some people in Bradford do all their shopping in Leeds, maybe down to the fact they work in Leeds and not Bradford. (they were on Look North when they were complaining about postcodes)

Probably not for Barnsley. I would guess it is for Bradford though, seeing as Leeds is so close and easy to get to, and has a much wider range of shops, of a better quality. Some people in Bradford do all their shopping in Leeds, maybe down to the fact they work in Leeds and not Bradford. (they were on Look North when they were complaining about postcodes)

For those living in the west of Bradford the choice of Leeds or Bradford - with Leeds winning - is more likely than for those living in the east. Bradford city centre shopping can cater for most requirements except perhaps at the very top end (Harvey Nichols etc.) Also for shopping let us not forget the lure of shopping malls like Meadowhall and White Rose. Public transport links are indeed very important - particularly for working commuters.

It costs 10p more to get to Leeds (40p to town bus, 50p to Leeds train)

Childrens prices surely?

Childrens prices surely?

Yes, bus return Harrogate to Leeds is nearly £5 ! It is 15 miles each way. :)

Caw123: With a railcard it is 50p for under 16 and £1 for over 16 (I think), thats single. Without a railcard its £2.20. Every 1/2 hour (15mins peak time).

On the 36, its £2.40 with a super saver card or £4.80 without one way. Every 20 minutes (10mins peak time)

Caw123: With a railcard it is 50p for under 16 and £1 for over 16 (I think), thats single. Without a railcard its £2.20. Every 1/2 hour (15mins peak time).

On the 36, its £2.40 with a super saver card or £4.80 without one way. Every 20 minutes (10mins peak time)


That's more loke it !

I think the 36 bus service is the best in Leeds. :)

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When people in Bradford, Harrogate, Halifax, Wakefield, Hudderfield, Hull etc go out for a drink in 'town' do they mean Leeds or their local town centre?

From a personal point of view, when I go for a drink in 'town' I mean Manchester (I live in Sale Trafford - this is the lingo myself and my friends use), I know for a fact that some friends I have in Milnrow, Rochdale also consider Manchester as 'town' for going shopping or for a drink.

I somehow don't think this is the case in West Yorkshire.

A good example of this is http://www.gmpte.com/pdfmaps/qbc_map2.pdf notice all the quality bus corridors in GM lead to Manchester - the same for Metrolink (plus planned extensions, normal bus routes roads etc).

http://www.gmpte.com/pdfmaps/rail_networkmap.pdf - shows the trains to a lesser extent.

Interesting if someone could dig out a similar map of West Yorkshire.

It cost me £12-13 from Richmond to Leeds so Harrogate sure as hell isn't around one or two pund.

£5.20 walk on fare for a single or £6.40 from Harrogate to Leeds according to nationalrail.co.uk

Compared to £2.75 return from Rochdale to Altrincham (most likely a similar distance)

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No its not £6.40! Its 50p one way with a railcard, but for my age its £2.20 or £2.40 not sure return without. Its £2 for adults I think with railcard.

Most people in Harrogate dont reall call the town centre 'town'. People in Ripon call Harrogate town centre 'town' but most people here refer to Harrogate, Leeds or York, probably because peoples friends live in other places outside Harrogate. When you say town people confirm it as Harrogate. Town doesnt mean Leeds usually though, unless its Loiners asking, so mainly people say the name.