Do you think any of the Scandinavian or Baltic countries will ever get a 500m or taller skyscraper? And I mean ever .. (in 5 years, 50 years, 500 years, etc) .. It obviously doesnt look like they will ever come .. but who knows .. 200 years ago I bet no American thought that New York was gonna look the way it does .. And the same with Hong kong and all the other big skyscraper cities ... so I think they defidentally will .. but how soon, im not sure .. Maybe in the year 2200.. :)

How can we know what will happen in 500 or more years? There's no point to ask or answer this question. I might answer yes or no but I have (and nobody does) have arguments to base such statement.

However in a forseeable future (40-50 years) there won't be any 500m skyscraper (not even 300m perhaps) in any Scandinavian or Baltic country.

No, most likely never. Why? Two factors might create such giant here, and none works:
1. Demand? There would never be China density here and near this region. We have no hope to be a kind of global center either.
2. Ambitions? Contrary to many other places, Scandinavia has very little "dick-wawing" complexes and in Baltics it will decrease soon as well, I think.

How can we know what will happen in 500 or more years? There's no point to ask or answer this question. I might answer yes or no but I have (and nobody does) have arguments to base such statement.
I know there is no real answer to this. I'm only asking if you believe that they will ever come to S&B. thats it..

Yes there will be a 500+ m. skyscraper in S&B, and it will be in Lithuania :) , after about 200 years in Kaunas :)

A chimney maybe :D

Malmo in the future:D:P

:cheers:

A chimney maybe :D
Grow up man!!

Well to say 'anytime' in the future is too much, as you never know what will happen in 5 centuries. Look at what Europe was like in the 16th century.
But in the nearfuture, let's say up to 50 years ahead, I say no, I don't think so, 500m is way too much. Maybe an observation or telecommunication tower, but skyscraper, I don't see it happening

there is only 1 scraper >500m in the world !!! and you expect one here.. yea right...

If Finland will ever have a 500-meterer it will be built in Kallio/Sörnäinen area, and it'll be a 130-floor karaoke bar. Prolly.

yes i think we will... 500 years ago most of our cities.. with some exceptions, like Tallinn, were spots on the map... now we are, some of us, like Tallinn, smaller spots :d. But if the trend continues... well i dont know.. eventually well get immigrants here... and pop will increase.. and in the future i think 500m scrapers will be the norm... remember than when in the 30s an 8 storey building was built it was considered abnormal and super high! :)

so my answer is.. yes, definatly

However in a forseeable future (40-50 years) there won't be any 500m skyscraper (not even 300m perhaps) in any Scandinavian or Baltic country.

You're in for a surprise. ;)
The idea and concept of building tall is slowly but firmly starting to grow on Scandinavians. Give it about 8-10 years time and the first 300m skyscraper will be U/C in S/B. Perhaps even sooner.

But I'm hoping!

Unless there are some dramatical climate-changes in the future, causing an insane immigration to our region, I don't think so. There is no need to build THAT high, and I guess it won't make ecological nor economical sense. The latter may change, but still.

I think maybe around 300 habitable meters is what we can hope for in the future. There may be other structures that reach 500 meter, ofcourse. There is already the Troll A platform in the North Sea, 472 meters tall (http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?b23582 )

NEVER. It is impossible, I totally agree with Gatis. There's no point to imagine what would our region after 500 years be like. Im not sure if our global economy lasts even for century more. Climate is changing and impact could be enormous, especially for our food supplys. Building supertalls here.........not a chance. People will be lucky if they have sth to eat in the future instead of building megascrapers. We are living in an era of prosperity which unfotunately is about to end in our century.

now dont be so critical... we have diseases at our side ... they will keep stability! :D

Yes, I believe we will soon have a skyscraper more than 500 meters tall.

The Norwegian oil platform Troll A is already 472 meters tall, as NorthStar77 has already pointed out:

Next to the Eiffel tower:

http://www.itk.ntnu.no/ansatte/Skjetne_Roger/CurriculumVitae-filer/image008.jpg

Under construction, top half:

http://www.maxit-uk.co.uk/images/troll-gass.jpg

The chances for a baltic 500+ m building for the coming years is very low.
But maybe Denmark, Sweden or Norway, or even Finland?
VOTE Norway

Definetly kaunas will have such a tower :D , here is the render of kaunas skyline in 2200 year
http://img287.echo.cx/img287/1122/kaunasskylinein22006hj.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

No. I don't think it will happen in the next decades, but I do think it will happen sometime. And when it does, it is so going to be a Copenhagen scraper :yes:

No, of course not. There will be not enough population in this countries in the future. Just less people.

Not in our lifetimes.. maby stockholm will get a 200-300meters skyscrape in the 10-30years

To "Berlincity"
How come that the population in scandinavia are just growing?

I don't agree with the "not-going-to-be-a-high-enough-population" comments ... The world is overpopulating very quickly ... Soon (well, not soon.. but within the next 100-200 years i think), every country in the world will be overpopulated.. I bet 200 years ago the population of any of the S&B countries werent close to being as high as they are now.. correct me if im wrong .. im just guessing here :)

there are less estonians now then 100 years ago.. but thats because of some other factors the pure simple demographics.. mainly soviet stuff

The population of Norway has more than doubled since 1900, and I expect the population in 2100 to be more than 10 million people. At least 50% of the population will live in Oslo by 2100, and I can guarantee you that there will be a great need for skyscrapers. The real estate prices is Oslo is actually already more than high enough to make construction of residential skyscrapers a healthy business, but silly rules and regulations are a major obstacle. Office space is cheaper than in many other countries though, mostly because huge areas gets covered by dull office buildings every time the office rental prices are higher than what is required for new construction.

Population dynamics in Latvia:

Latvia:
1913: 2 500 000
1922: 1 600 000
1935: 1 905 900
1946: 1 300 000
1959: 2 079 900
1989: 2 666 600
2004: 2 319 203

Riga:
1913: 517 000
1921: 187 000
1937: 389 000
1989: 910 000
2005: 735 000

Future prognoses of demographical situation in Latvia are quite sad btw.

Wow. You lost 36% of your population between 1913 and 1922, and 31% of your population between 1935 and 1946. The population in Latvia would easily have been twice as high if it weren't for the two world wars.

Here are some numbers from Norway:

1900 : 2 217 971
1910 : 2 376 952
1920 : 2 616 274
1930 : 2 799 713
1940 : 2 963 909
1950 : 3 249 954
1960 : 3 567 707
1970 : 3 863 221
1980 : 4 078 900
1990 : 4 233 116
2000 : 4 478 497

(The population in 1900 was quite low because half the population emigrated to the US between 1850 and 1900)

Iceland :D

1900 : 78 000
1910 : 85 000
1920 : 95 000
1930 : 109 000
1940 : 121 000
1950 : 144 000
1960 : 177 000
1970 : 205 000
1980 : 229 000
1990 : 255 000
2000 : 272 000

2100 : 1 000 000 ?

I doubt but if than perhaps in Copenhagen which is close to Malmo and those cities, connected by impressive bridge, make a kind of regional hub that is why danish capital has the most chances.

9 million 2004
8 million 1969
7 million 1950
6 million 1923
5 million 1897
4 million 1863
3 million 1835
2 million 1767

by 2025 we'll be 10 million :D Right now Sweden is the 84:e biggest country in the world ;) and in the next 20 years the population in Stockholm/Uppsala will grow with up to 800 000 persons, so in about five billion years we'll have a 500 meter skyscraper.. :cheers: i cant wait!

you´re right, the population in Scandinavia is growing but not in the baltic states.
Anyway, I don´t believe we get one!

you´re right, the population in Scandinavia is growing but not in the baltic states.
Anyway, I don´t believe we get one!

The population of the Baltic countries will soon start to increase. People who refuse to have children ("Sex in the city - type") tend to disappear very quickly from the gene pool.

/\ i have to agree.. the baltic's pop will soon increase - by immigration, by people returning from other countries, and by people losing their "think first have sex later" attitude!

Population will not increase in S/B region, because of the cilmate change !!! North europe gets all it's warm weather from the gulf stream and global warming is steadilly destroying it. So in 100 years we can expect near-polar climate in S/B. Biggest cities in S/B are ports so the risen sea level (by melted ice sheets) will make very difficult or atleast extremly costly to live there. However, in that scenario Vilnius (as southest capital in S/B and not port) will have most chances to maintain it's viability therefore if 150 years from now it has biggest chance to build +500 scraper...

^^
that is the flipflop scenario, there is also another one, an official one which says we'll get much better weather, alomst as nice as it was during the bronze age.
http://www.smhi.se/hfa_coord/sweclim_bild_ark/gif350/bildjfrt.gif
The scandinavian west coast would still be the mildest area in S&B, because of atlantic, the scandics and the baltic sea which protect us from the siberian cold. Vilnius hasn't got any of that so the first cities to "perish" would then be the ones in the northeast-east

/\ thats what i've been hearing the last while on TV and in movies (that the northern countries will get a lot warmer) ... I hope thats true :)

^Yeah, let's go and pollute some more... :ohno:
Don't you realize which disastrous effects these climate changes could have on some countries? If it's good for Northern Europe, then it's probably very bad for some other countries.

Anyway, as other have pointed out, it doesn't make sense to predict so far into the future, but I don't think we'll see such a tall scraper in S&B during the next 50 years or so...

I think any b&s skyline would look better with 2 250m towers rather than one 500. Look at Taipei :|

^Yeah, let's go and pollute some more... :ohno:
Don't you realize which disastrous effects these climate changes could have on some countries? If it's good for Northern Europe, then it's probably very bad for some other countries.

I don't consider global warming a problem in Norway, and every single 1°C in temperature increase means that we can increase our food production by a whole lot. We are actually already experiencing rising temperatures, and this means that we for the first time in history are selfsufficient with wheat.

It is also important to remember that the temperatures were significantly higher in the Viking era 1000 years ago. The Vikings grew wheat on Iceland, made their own wine in Norway, and Greenland was certainly a lot greener than today. The sea level was also a few meter higher than it is now, and everyone can observe this on their own in the Medieval park in Oslo where a small part of the old shoreline has been recreated by using an artificial lake.

It was even warmer if you go even further back in history, and the dinosaurs had comfortable temperatures even in polar areas.

^Yeah, let's go and pollute some more... :ohno:
Don't you realize which disastrous effects these climate changes could have on some countries? If it's good for Northern Europe, then it's probably very bad for some other countries.
I don't think pollution has that much to do with the climate ... i remember seeing a show on the Discovery Channel about how the North Pole used to be a really warm place (26 degrees on average) and over the course of (i dont know how many years) it started to freeze and get as cold as it is now..
And no I couldn't really imagine what kind of effects climate changes could have on some countries .. probably because I don't know enough about it .. but I could imagine that those effects arent that big of a deal ... Lets say the average temperate in Northern Europe raised by +5 degrees.. The only thing I could see happening to the rest of Europe (the world) is that their temperate raises by 5 degrees aswell.. I'm really not sure though .. it's hard to imagine something that you don't really know too much about

The only thing I could see happening to the rest of Europe (the world) is that their temperate raises by 5 degrees aswell.. I'm really not sure though .. it's hard to imagine something that you don't really know too much about
A 5°C temperature increase globally will change a lot more than just the temperature because of the increased evaporation from the oceans. Almost all countries will get more rain, and the warm and humid climate found in places like Vietnam, Thailand and South China will be much more common.

@NiceGuy & DLL_4ever: I'm no expert in this area either, but some people are, and I don't think anyone would care about the Kyoto protocol if the experts didn't believe there was a problem. You should read this: http://unfccc.int/essential_background/items/2877.php

Anyway, it's off-topic, so I won't get into a discussion here... :)

I don't think pollution has that much to do with the climate ... i remember seeing a show on the Discovery Channel about how the North Pole used to be a really warm place (26 degrees on average) and over the course of (i dont know how many years) it started to freeze and get as cold as it is now..
And no I couldn't really imagine what kind of effects climate changes could have on some countries .. probably because I don't know enough about it .. but I could imagine that those effects arent that big of a deal ... Lets say the average temperate in Northern Europe raised by +5 degrees.. The only thing I could see happening to the rest of Europe (the world) is that their temperate raises by 5 degrees aswell.. I'm really not sure though .. it's hard to imagine something that you don't really know too much about

Where do you get this from ? All the documentaries that i've seen showed a major drop (NOT RISE) in temperatures in north europe as well as in north america...

@keen, these documentaries are right... but this regional drop of tempreatures is caused by man-made global warming. Read this:
http://www.whoi.edu/institutes/occi/currenttopics/abruptclimate_15misconceptions.html

One can never tell the future, and should only focus on doing their best during the present...

^Yeah, let's go and pollute some more... :ohno:
Don't you realize which disastrous effects these climate changes could have on some countries? If it's good for Northern Europe, then it's probably very bad for some other countries.


Hey Look at it like this:

If we pollute some more, Northern Europe gets warmer, other countries get colder, (some even flooded) that means, more people on the run! More people on the run means more imigration, more imigration means increased chance of getting that +500 m Skyscraper

.oO(That was perhaps the worst joke ever :llama:)