Are there any metros running out of land to build new single family houses? Just wondering

probably la.

Miami is probably the closest to running out of land. Assuming they don't allow the boundary to stretch further into the swamps.

There's plenty of room around Fargo.

new orleans...........hoo hoo hoo hoo

honolulu

Miami is probably the closest to running out of land. Assuming they don't allow the boundary to stretch further into the swamps.

Miami is pretty much already out of land. There is a little bit left on the southern edge of the area around Homestead, but aside from that there's nothing left in Miami-Dade or Broward Counties. The only direction for growth (other than up) is stretching the area farther north. Miami all the way up to West Palm Beach is already one conjoined mass but its beginning to spread even farther north.

I would say Los Angeles, and Miami as well. L.A. is blocked by mountains in the north, desert in the west, and a military base in the south, but somehow I think they will find a way to sprawl towards San Diego.

las vegas will be reaching their limit within the next decade. it's only a matter of time for a city surrounded by mountains.

I would say Los Angeles, and Miami as well. L.A. is blocked by mountains in the north, desert in the west, and a military base in the south, but somehow I think they will find a way to sprawl towards San Diego.

It better not! :nono:

San Diego still has a lot of land, but pretty soon the only open land wil be in the military bases and mission trails park.

God forbid they realize that people have been building UP for centuries to solve this problem.

You know one thesis regarding the cause of the fall of the Mayan empire? They built on the land they used to farm.

Las VEgas.
Los Angeles
Miami

It better not! :nono:

San Diego still has a lot of land, but pretty soon the only open land wil be in the military bases and mission trails park.


Sorry,
San Angeles is inevitable:)
Just give it 20 years.

Yea were ALMOST out of land in Broward. Theres lots and lots of horse ranches in the middle of Davie and Cooper City that may eventually be bought up and developed....
Developers own open land yet to be developed here so were not out of land yet aand as long as we have lots of strip malls that can be dozed and built up on and the surface parking lots which there are PLENTY of we're not out of land yet :)

Yea were ALMOST out of land in Broward. Theres lots and lots of horse ranches in the middle of Davie and Cooper City that may eventually be bought up and developed....
Developers own open land yet to be developed here so were not out of land yet aand as long as we have lots of strip malls that can be dozed and built up on and the surface parking lots which there are PLENTY of we're not out of land yet :)

Also Miami has plentiful surface lots that can accomidate.

Sorry,
San Angeles is inevitable:)
Just give it 20 years.

Doesn't San Angeles already exist? I've driven 5 from LA to San Diego a few times and never noticed a whole lot of undeveloped land.

Orange county runs right into San Diego county. You drive down 5, hit San Clemente, Camp Pendleton, then Oceanside. Besides Camp Pendleton, there really isn't anything separating LA from SD.

Also Miami has plentiful surface lots that can accomidate.

well were running out of land,parking and parking lots .

The Texas metros all have a few hundred miles left for them to branch out...

The Texas metros all have a few hundred miles left for them to branch out...

Try several thousand.

Any already dense metros

Try several thousand.

I assume you mean square miles, since even Texas isn't 1000 miles wide...

Baltimore-Washington corridor is already crowded. Thankfully our Metro extends beyond the B/W corridor.

Doesn't San Angeles already exist? I've driven 5 from LA to San Diego a few times and never noticed a whole lot of undeveloped land.

Orange county runs right into San Diego county. You drive down 5, hit San Clemente, Camp Pendleton, then Oceanside. Besides Camp Pendleton, there really isn't anything separating LA from SD.


You are right, except for Camp Pendelton, and National Forest to the east of the camp. It's almost entirely built up. Give it 20-25 years.

A side note; I think Chicago will combine with Milwaukee probably before L.A combines with San Dog.

You are right, except for Camp Pendelton, and National Forest to the east of the camp. It's almost entirely built up. Give it 20-25 years.

A side note; I think Chicago will combine with Milwaukee probably before L.A combines with San Dog.

Besides the National Forest and Camp Pendleton, it is already built up.

http://www.google.com/maps?q=san+diego&ll=33.376953,-117.385781&spn=0.481445,0.907430&hl=en

Im worried, but happy cause LA needs to stay away, which it has, San Diego is secluded (or was) for a reason...San Angeles is every San Diegans worst fear...

ISnt that what LA wants ^?

Im worried, but happy cause LA needs to stay away, which it has, San Diego is secluded (or was) for a reason...San Angeles is every San Diegans worst fear...

I can see how San Diegonites, would be afraid of loosing their identity if the Los Angeles monster sprawled all over them:)

I don't think people in Millwaukee have that same atitude of Chicago, but I may be wrong.

God forbid they realize that people have been building UP for centuries to solve this problem.

You know one thesis regarding the cause of the fall of the Mayan empire? They built on the land they used to farm.

How poignat this theory may be here in our country in a decade or two.

well were running out of land,parking and parking lots .

Miami's metro sandwiched in between two National parks.....

http://media.maps.com/magellan/Images/msat_miami_1.JPG

5.3 million people live in that narrow strip and still growing.

As you can see L.A. is quickly sprawling into mountains, deserts, and forests. San Diego watch out here comes L.A.! :)
http://www.johnnyroadtrip.com/cities/sandiego/maps/southerncalifornia.gif

ISnt that what LA wants ^?

If you've ever seen that good day live show on fox, sorry, forgot the name of it, they do tend to call a lot of SD attractions as being part of the LA area...like Sea World, Legoland, Camp Pendleton...

or.. do they have places with those names in the LA metro too??

If LA wants to obsorb us then were going to fight it. As for there being a Sea World, Legoland and Camp Pendelton in the LA metro I don't think so. Also just watch that 15 corridor. In about twenty years that should be full, to San Diegos dismay...

You know when the metros will have finally merged when its the Los Angeles Padres of San Diego. :(

You know when the metros will have finally merged when its the Los Angeles Padres of San Diego. :(

Yeah, I already have enough of a problem with the "Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim"...

^Uhhhh, I feel so bad for Orange County...imagine being overshadowed for so long that you finally are one with the monster above you. I'd hate to have that fate.

WHere did you guys heard the term San Angeles?

I like this made up term call... Orange County Metro... 21 million. Lol...

Poor San Diego. I say, built a wall to block up sprawl! ;)

Poor San Diego. I say, built a wall to block up sprawl! ;)

There already is one, it's called Camp Pendleton, and Orange county and San Diego county spawl right up to it.

But isn't the sprawl sprawling around it? Btw, is the gray spot on the map between LA and SD, a golf course?

But isn't the sprawl sprawling around it? Btw, is the gray spot on the map between LA and SD, a golf course?

No, that grey spot is a military base, Camp Pendleton. If it wasn't there there would be no division between Orange county and San Diego county development.

Any plans to bulldoze that Camp, feels like something that the LA Metro will do?

If the Camp were ever to close, I think bill clinton signed a law that would make the camp into a national park or state park. Some sort of presverve. The area is used to train marines its also the last great expance of california shrubland.

The other block in the road to the union of the metros is the Nuclear plant San Onofre. But its on the chopping block since its upkeep is getting more expensive. So the only place to connect the metros is to go east along the 15. Hopefully SD politians will stop this soon.

And I like the idea of a great wall to stop sprawl. :)

Does I-5 go into the Camp?

If not, is there any land between the ocean and Camp?

Yes it goes right through, accept for a small strech called San Onofre State beach, great beach from what I hear. Its cool going on the I-5 through camp pendelton, sometimes you see tanks chaseing each other, or bombs going off in the distance. Really great stuff. There are also train tracks paralle to the highway, and all the off-ramps (which there are few) have gates and security boxes. I think its the best 14 miles of highway in California.

http://glovis.usgs.gov/ImgViewer/l7/p040/r037/y2002/LE7040037000228050.jpg

Here is a satellite image of the Las Vegas area in 1992...
http://edcwww.cr.usgs.gov/earthshots/slow/LasVegas/LasVegas1992.jpeg

here it is today....
http://www.gesource.ac.uk/satellite/1671.jpg


Las Vegas keeps sprawling into the desert.

Chicagoland... not running out of land but definetly sprawling.
http://www.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/c/c6/Chicago.landsat.750pix.jpg
http://www.seagrant.wisc.edu/communications/greatlakes/GlacialGift/Graphics/Space_Images/satview-chicago.jpg
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Study/EdLu/Images/ISS007-E-16525.jpg

Dallas/Ft.Worth, Houston, San Antonio, and Austin are not even close to running out of sprawling room.

Unfortunately.

Philly is touching NY already

The metros in the middle of america are far from running out of space, but metros in Florida(especailly Miami), NE are running out of space, stares at NYC, if you count Bos Wash, that metro would be 12 states, 14 if you count Vermont and Maine.

Places, like Chicago could sprawl all the way to the mississppi river or St. Louis or Green Bay or Grand Rapids and Chicago would still have room, but thats going to be sad for the fertile soil.

Sf Metro, could sprawl into Marlin or the Pacific Coast(because its sprawl is around the Bay) or to Sacermento and beyon into Nevada or to New Jersy(joke).

Doesn't San Angeles already exist? I've driven 5 from LA to San Diego a few times and never noticed a whole lot of undeveloped land.

Orange county runs right into San Diego county. You drive down 5, hit San Clemente, Camp Pendleton, then Oceanside. Besides Camp Pendleton, there really isn't anything separating LA from SD.


This is very true. But the 2 metro areas have a long ways to go before they connect in the inland area where I live: there is a gap bewteen Yorba Linda and Corona (Orange county connector to Riverside county), and a gap between Corona and the Temecula Valley (northern Riverside county connector to southern Riverside county) and a gap between the Temecula Valley and Fallbrook (southern Riverside county connector to northern San Diego county). It'll be a while before these areas all fill in, probably 30 years or so..

Yeah.. these are the only areas that need to close the gaps. Not very much, as you can see. In the next few decades, LA and SD will combine into one huge metro!! Whats the population there? somewhere around 20-25 million?

http://img31.echo.cx/img31/6615/urban0tr.jpg

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That smaller area on the coast you circled is Camp Pendelton. So That area will not be built up. Cool map.:)

Uhhhhh, the LA and SD metro combining is not a good thing. San Deigo is better off combining with TJ. lol :)

Wow,
I hope people in Milwaukee don't hate Chicago like San Diegoans hate L.A.

Uhhhhh, the LA and SD metro combining is not a good thing. San Deigo is better off combining with TJ. lol :)

Uh, you are physically combined with TJ. Not politically, but San Diego pretty much blends right into TJ. San Diego starts looking crappier (more like Mexico) the closer you get to the border.

Uh, you are physically combined with TJ. Not politically, but San Diego pretty much blends right into TJ. San Diego starts looking crappier (more like Mexico) the closer you get to the border.

I don't know about using the term "crappier" but..... :eek2:
Many parts of L.A. resemble what many Mexican cities look like much more than San Deiego does. :runaway:

I don't know about using the term "crappier" but..... :eek2:
Many parts of L.A. resemble what many Mexican cities look like much more than San Deiego does. :runaway:

ALL parts of LA look like Disney Land compared to the non-tourist areas of TJ. Yes, it is crappy, literally. LA has the cement river, TJ has the cement sewage river.

ALL parts of LA look like Disney Land compared to the non-tourist areas of TJ. Yes, it is crappy, literally. LA has the cement river, TJ has the cement sewage river.

Been there yes TJ is crappy......
but you didn't say TJ you said Mexico. Anyways, San Diego is overall much "cleaner" than L.A. wouldn't you say? I know it's so much smaller and all but......

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That smaller area on the coast you circled is Camp Pendelton. So That area will not be built up. Cool map.:)

Yes, I know.. I live within 15 miles of its borders.. but who knows, maybe in the future the base will become obsolete just as the El Toro base in Orange County has become, as they have started to build houses on that abandoned area now ;)

They can't some president a while ago, signed a bill making the land a preserve for the last large area of california srubland.

The only thing that might be remotley built in the area is the new SD international airport, and thats only if the base closes.

Wow,
I hope people in Milwaukee don't hate Chicago like San Diegoans hate L.A.


we dont hate the city, we just hate how you people drive! :)

Yes, I know.. I live within 15 miles of its borders.. but who knows, maybe in the future the base will become obsolete just as the El Toro base in Orange County has become, as they have started to build houses on that abandoned area now ;)
That would be impossible.. The land is way too contaminated.

That would be impossible.. The land is way too contaminated.

apparenlty it's not impossible as developers have dropped down some homes there already..

37,000 people work there, i don't see that base ever closing.

There are some small villages for the marines and there families. I've been in there and its basicaly a small town. I also don't think the base will close. Its to valuble and has a lot of differing terrain to train Americas finest.

But like I said twice before bill, presvere, can't build! lol.