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mr.x
May 22nd, 2005, 10:01 AM
Campbell open to replacing B.C. Place
Stadium may be torn down after 2010 Olympics are overBy GRANT KERR


Friday, May 20, 2005 Page S7

VANCOUVER -- B.C. Premier Gordon Campbell easily caught a football lobbed his way by the Grey Cup festival chairman yesterday and didn't drop the ball when the idea of a possible new sports stadium was broached.

Campbell indicated he would gladly consider a new stadium after the 2010 Olympics, when the domed B.C. Place Stadium may be demolished. It is to be used for opening and closing ceremonies of the Winter Games.

The Premier and his Liberal government were re-elected Tuesday, with the next provincial general election scheduled for 2009.

B.C. Place opened in 1983 as a state-of-the-art indoor facility and has been home field for the B.C. Lions of the Canadian Football League. The 2005 Grey Cup game will be staged at B.C. Place on Nov. 27.

The Lions are extending their leasing arrangement with B.C. Pavilion Corp., a Crown corporation that operates B.C. Place, through the 2010 season.

The Vancouver Whitecaps played soccer at B.C. Place after it opened, but now perform outdoors at the smaller Swangard Stadium in suburban Burnaby. Ownership is anxious to develop another stadium with about 15,000 seats.

Organizers for this year's Grey Cup already have sold more than 33,000 tickets for the CFL championship game, mostly to Lions season-ticket holders, event general manager Scott Ackles said, with sales to the general public to begin tomorrow.

Because of high real-estate values in the downtown area, especially in trendy Yaletown next to the stadium, there have been suggestions that B.C. Place would be torn down and the property sold following the Olympics.

"If we need to do better for both the football club and the soccer club, we'll look at doing that," Campbell said after attending a news conference called to announce five premium sponsors of the Grey Cup festival that's been dubbed Party on the Pacific.

"The soccer team [and] the football team have been saying maybe it's time to renovate, improve or build a new stadium," Campbell added. "The CFL is great community entertainment."

The Lions played outdoors at Empire Stadium from 1954 to 1982, often in showery conditions. Since moving indoors to B.C. Place, it has rarely rained during CFL games. B.C. Place seats 59,400 for football games.

B.C. team president Bob Ackles would like the Lions to remain at B.C. Place for the foreseeable future.

A new artificial field surface will be installed before the first Lions game next month. B.C. Pavilion purchased the FieldTurf from Olympic Stadium in Montreal for about $1-million and will levy a $1 surcharge on every Lions ticket to help pay for it.

"I talked with the government when I first came back to town [in 2002] and was told the recommendation was to take the stadium down," Ackles said. "Unlike some people, I think this is a heck of a stadium. It hasn't got a bad seat.

"It needs some upgrades in the concessions and in the sound system. I'm sure that's going to happen before the Olympics."

John Les, provincial Minister of Small Business and Economic Development, indicated the government is aware of discussions concerning possible redevelopment of the stadium property.

"But there is absolutely nothing in terms of any firm plans at this point," Les said. "There is no consensus that has developed around that whole topic. But it should be interesting to see how things unfold between now and the Olympics.

"Beyond that, it's an interesting question that, collectively, the people in the sports and development community will have to look at to see what the options are."

Les remembers attending CFL games at Empire Stadium in the Vancouver East End and often sitting in the rain. He finds it ironic that some people now want to sit outdoors at football games because B.C. Place can be hot and humid during midsummer games.

"Clearly, from a real-estate perspective, the land at B.C. Place is a pretty pricey piece of real estate," Les added. "Demolition costs, however, are substantial, too. And then you have to replace the site and facility.

"There are a whole lot of factors there that I have not wrapped my head around and neither have many others involved in this."

Last week in Toronto, plans for a new outdoor stadium at York University were scrapped after the Toronto Argonauts pulled out of the project, electing to remain indoors at the Rogers Centre downtown.

Soccer Canada wanted the proposed stadium to be the focal point of the world under-20 youth championship in 2007. That focus now shifts to Edmonton and the natural grass of Commonwealth Stadium.

Some of the under-20 games will be played in the Vancouver area and Victoria. Swangard Stadium barely seats 6,000 and that's why Whitecaps owner Greg Kerfoot is eager to develop a larger stadium for soccer.

Meantime, Ackles and his staff have another 26,000 tickets to sell in order to reach a sellout for the next Grey Cup. The Lions participated in the 2004 Grey Cup in Ottawa, losing to the Argonauts.

B.C. Place has proved to be a multipurpose facility and usually has about 200 event days a year, dominated by trade and consumer shows.

It was the first covered stadium in Canada and has an air-supported dome. The roof is 10.25 acres of Teflon-covered fibreglass.

This year's Grey Cup festivities will include the resumption of the Grey Cup parade in downtown Vancouver. It will be televised nationally, organizers said.

The content of the halftime show during the championship game has not been disclosed, but it's likely to be a popular Canadian singer with appeal to young fans.

The premium sponsors of the Grey Cup festival will be Save-On-Foods, Sports Action lottery, Bank of Nova Scotia, Molson Canada and the Vancouver Sun, Grey Cup committee chairman Dennis Skulsky said.



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This is awesome news! Definetely "colossal" according to another article in the Sun when the Premier wants to do it.

sukh
May 22nd, 2005, 12:34 PM
In all seriousness, i dont want them replacing B.C. place stadium with a 15 000 seat stadium, i want it to be just as big, or just build the smaller one and keep B.C. place stadium.

LooselogInThePeg
May 22nd, 2005, 01:20 PM
I could understand this if BC Place was old and past its due date but it's basically a middle-aged venue as these things go. From that perspective it really makes no sense to spend the kind of cash (probably in the neighbourhood of a half billion dollars once you factor in a new stadium, demolition costs, infrastructure reorientations and so forth) they'd need to make this happen. What's more, who's asking for this exactly ?

It would make way more sense to upgrade the existing facility than to build another one.

Plumber73
May 22nd, 2005, 05:47 PM
^,^^ I agree. The whole idea of replacing BC Place makes no sense to me. I'm also against the BC Lions sharing a facility with the Caps. Soccer should not be played on an artificial surface, especially one with yardage lines. That would be sad. :soapbox:

Tri-City Guy
May 22nd, 2005, 06:53 PM
Keep it! The big challenge will be possibly future structural improvements and renovations. However, I certainly don't want them moving the Lions out to some open- air 40,000 statium in Surrey - which you know is exactly where they'd be headed should they knock the old girl (ok young lady - LOL) down. Yaletown doesn't need that land - expensive or not. There are plenty of places around False Creek and in East Vancouver that could use some development activity instead. Besides having both BC Place and GM Centre beside each other makes good sense. If you want to see a city with the ultimate sports precinct, take a look at Melbourne.

Was suprised that BC Place was as busy as its was. Trade shows use it more than I ever thought. Just another reason to keep the doomed, marshmellow in bondage! Besides would I be the only one to consider it a bit of a Vancouver landmark? Always wanted to go jump up and down on its roof. Ok, I'm a sick puppy I know. Hell if Sydney can make tourist want to climb the Harbour Bridge, Vancouver could come up with something a little 'different' - "The Pillsbury Doe Boy Jump". LOL They could use it for so many further things, especially tourism related. It has much potential as an attraction.

mr.x
May 22nd, 2005, 07:22 PM
^ although I do agree with your post and everybody elses ideas keeping BC Place and just renovating it, trade shows would move to the expanded convention centre when completed.

rt_0891
May 22nd, 2005, 07:28 PM
^But given Vancouver's popularity as a Convention City, I actually think they'll be enough demand to keep trade shows running in BC place after the new convention centre is built.

mr.x
May 22nd, 2005, 07:29 PM
^But given Vancouver's popularity as a Convention City, I actually think they'll be enough demand to keep trade shows running in BC place after the new convention centre is built.

True.

mr.x
May 22nd, 2005, 08:13 PM
If big Campbell is willing to build a stadium like Telstra Dome in Melbourne, that'd be awesome. That stadium has a capacity of 60,000 and costs AUS$690 million.....but the high cost is because it's a retractable roof stadium for a cricket field, which is one huge field. We should follow their example for our new stadium if we do build one with these things instead:

NEW BC PLACE
- international/Olympic sized track
- real grass
- soccer field
- football field
- baseball diamond
- 50,000 seats permanent and permanent/temporarily expandable to as large as 75,000
- COST: $400-600 million


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Tri-City Guy
May 22nd, 2005, 09:45 PM
Telstra Dome is a sweet venue. My Roo's play there.

As for the convention centre debate lets not forget sometimes big events like Rotary can number upwards 10,000 - 20,000. For major addresses (pre/post) they need somewhere to accomodate these delegates in a single room. The new convention centre will be big but we're talking about the different between an Anne Murray concert and a Stones gig here. Some of these shows are massive which is why cities like Melbourne do so well among global convention cities. They can cater to everybody. Their convention centre has a 2,500 hall (they are building a new one with 5,000 across the Yarra to open 08') but they can also host the big, BIG events. Vodafone Arena gets used (only 10,000), the Tennie Centre (15,000) and the Telstra Dome for the very biggest shows (50,000+). The fact all these are downtown within walking distance gives it an edge plus the city has excellent transit. Vancouver is also very pedestrian friendly which is why delegates like it here too.

I wouldn't be in a hurry to pull down BC Place quite yet. Besides its great having such a large venue "downtown" considering public transit etc. Its an asset to the city. Besides where are you going to build a new one - Kits Beach or Fairview Slopes? LOL And please don't say anywhere in zone 3 either as you'd have transit concerns! It would be very short sighted to tear it down.

Plumber73
May 22nd, 2005, 10:36 PM
If big Campbell is willing to build a stadium like Telstra Dome in Melbourne, that'd be awesome. That stadium has a capacity of 60,000 and costs AUS$690 million.....but the high cost is because it's a retractable roof stadium for a cricket field, which is one huge field. We should follow their example for our new stadium if we do build one with these things instead:

NEW BC PLACE
- international/Olympic sized track
- real grass
- soccer field
- football field
- baseball diamond
- 50,000 seats permanent and permanent/temporarily expandable to as large as 75,000
- COST: $400-600 millionLeave soccer out of the equation. This is exactly what soccer fans in this city don't want. Not sure how useful the baseball diamond or track would be either. Vancouverites love their sports, but not that much.

mr.x
May 22nd, 2005, 10:44 PM
^ well, we want the option to be open. and besides, what if we want to host a international track event or one of FIFA's events? afterall, it's a multi-purpose venue we want. it's not necessary about what's already in the city.

baseball would come in handy one day when we get MLB.

Plumber73
May 22nd, 2005, 11:07 PM
I understand what you are saying, but... We've already got several tracks around the Lower Mainland (I.e., Swangard, which hosts the Harry Jerome Track Meet). Why do we need a 50,000 seat facility for that? Besides, Canada already has Edmonton's Commonwealth Stadium. It's not like we're going to get the Summer Olympics now are we?

The group with the Whitecaps organization are only interested in a soccer facility around 15,000 to 20,000 or so. This would be able to support FIFA related games (qualifying, youth tournaments etc.). This is what is being planned as we are discussing this.

The MLB sucks ass. :) BC Place is built for that, yet we never did get an MLB team did we.

mr.x
May 22nd, 2005, 11:21 PM
^ the track is temporary though. we'll pull it out whenever we need to use it but until then it's in storage and that space is taken up by more seating.

have patience, :) , give the MLB some more time to come to Vancouver. I think that after the Olympics, they will be really interested with this city.

Overground
May 24th, 2005, 04:53 AM
I understand that cost is always an important issue especially if it involves public funds. But cities need to evolve and stay with the times. BC Place is great for trade shows and convention type events but for sport it is lame. I believe that outdoor sports should be played outdoors, this is something I think most people agree with. If private money is involved in building a new multi-purpose, retractable roof/or covered stands, 30k+ all seater for football, CFL, rugby, athletics and other activities then it should be built. Although Vancouver isn't NY or London it is a world class city and a world class city should have world class venues. BC Place is used for CFL games but not everyone is a fan of that sport. A new stadium would bring more people out to enjoy a wider range of sports.

A temporary track is part of the design for new Wembley. Here's something from a Wembley site -

Will the new stadium be able to host athletics events?

Though designed primarily for football, rugby and music events, the new Wembley Stadium is also capable of hosting world-class athletic events. A revolutionary solution has been developed to ensure that both football and athletics fans can enjoy perfect views, thanks to a temporary athletics platform that can be installed when necessary. If Wembley is required to host a major athletics event, the prefabricated platform can be built over the lower bowl, covering some of the seats but creating the increased surface needed to fit an athletics track. The platform will take just a few weeks to install and remove, making Wembley a versatile, multi-sport venue.

DrJoe
May 24th, 2005, 05:33 AM
If big Campbell is willing to build a stadium like Telstra Dome in Melbourne, that'd be awesome. That stadium has a capacity of 60,000 and costs AUS$690 million.....but the high cost is because it's a retractable roof stadium for a cricket field, which is one huge field. We should follow their example for our new stadium if we do build one with these things instead:

NEW BC PLACE
- international/Olympic sized track
- real grass
- soccer field
- football field
- baseball diamond
- 50,000 seats permanent and permanent/temporarily expandable to as large as 75,000
- COST: $400-600 million



Isnt this a little pricey. I dont think you can build a $700 million stadium without a major tenant signed up to fill the place, the Lions dont count.

mr.x
May 24th, 2005, 06:24 AM
^ we'll try to get MLB.

ssiguy2
May 25th, 2005, 03:10 AM
I don't think there is anything with the mushroom except the damn dome. Why don't they just make it retractable or evcen somewhat dso the game can be played in the open. The place is quite clastraphobic. Its like sitting in a tent.
Could probably be done for 150 to 200 mil. Also no no infastructure needed, same convient location, and could be upgraded and still be used at the same time.

crazyjoeda
May 25th, 2005, 06:45 AM
They shouldnt tear down BC Place at least not for anouther 20 or so years. And when they do replace it should have at least 40,000 seats. I like the Telstra Dome in Melbourne and 600 million doesnt seem like that much considering the new convention centre/IBC has a similar budget at 500million cdn. As for soccer UBC could use a new stadium.

CF
May 25th, 2005, 07:50 AM
Just thinking here, would closing down playland to make room for a stadium location be out of the question?

mr.x
May 25th, 2005, 07:57 AM
Just thinking here, would closing down playland to make room for a stadium location be out of the question?

Yes, it's out of the question. The stadium would never approve.....you saw how hard it was to keep the Hastings Park Racecourse and the Fair at the PNE alive and you saw how hard it was to get that casino approved.

officedweller
May 26th, 2005, 01:37 AM
Agreed - The neighbourhood would protest big time!

mr.x
May 27th, 2005, 03:57 AM
Leipzig's Zentralstadion is pretty nice. It was completed last year at a cost of CDN$150 million (93 million pounds) and seats 44,300. It would be an awesome example for our new stadium if we build one.

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But, ours would seat 50,000 and would be expandable to up to 75,000. Like Zentralstadion, our stadium would have space between the roof and the top tier of seating and that space would make the stadium seating expandable capable. The roof will also be retractable. This won't be a full enclosed stadium when the roof is shut......and we would copy a Wembley concept for athletics. "If Wembley is required to host a major athletics event, the prefabricated platform can be built over the lower bowl, covering some of the seats but creating the increased surface needed to fit an athletics track." It would be a great multi-purpose venue, not only can it host track, but soccer, baseball, and football, and of course concerts and conventions


Zentralstadion design: $150 million
Retractable roof: $60 million
More seating and expandable capabilities: $35 million
TOTAL COST: $245 million


I'm really hoping that Campbell has a vision of a new (or renovated) stadium hat is this ambitious.