Look at this what do you think!?!?!?!?!?!?

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Over 10,000 demonstrate against 'israel'
new york city
April 28, 2005


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ohhh this "setmar " and "neturai karta" organizations!
these people u can find in Jerusalem neighbours like "Mea shaarim" and "Beit Israel"
somebody know(from israelies) if religious people in this neighbours has israeli citizenship and speak hebrew? as i know they speak only yiddish

orthodox Jews Demonstrate Concern for palestinian leader,
YASSER ARAFAT

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Paris, November 4, 2004.


Orthodox Jewry wish to participate in the anxiety and well wishing at this time of deep concern regarding the health of President Yasser Arafat.

Part and parcel of Jewish Torah conduct is to be concerned about the well being of any sick person but in this instance our concern is bound up not only with the wish for the personal return to health of President Arafat but also for the return to ’health’ of the whole ’sick’ situation in Palestine.

President Arafat probably more than any other one person embodies and has embodied for decades the struggle of the Palestinian People against the Zionist regime in Palestine.

President Arafat is the symbol of the Palestinian People’s desire and aim for freedom and independence in the land in which they have been the indigenous population for centuries.

Torah Jewry wish to reiterate once again their total dissociation from the one hundred year old confrontation between Zionist and Arab in Palestine and its culmination in the form of the illegitimate Zionist State. Illegitimate because it is contrary to the Jewish Religious belief which a) forbids us to have our own rule in exile, b) to rebel against any nation or people, c) to attemp to preemt the redemption. Contrarily, Jewish belief requires us to accept the authority of the indigenous population. The Zionist State is also contrary to Jewish Religious teachings, because of basic humanitarian justice.

The Zionists claim (misleadingly) to represent the Jewish People and, as a result, any animosity arising among the Palestinians and indeed among other nations following the various Zionist actions, falls on the whole of the Jewish People. Those who harbour this animosity are then accused of anti-Semitism.

However, what has to be made abundantly clear is that Zionism is not Judaism. Zionists cannot speak in the name of Jews. Zionists may have been born as Jews, but to be a Jew also requires adherence to Jewish belief and conduct. Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. On the contrary Zionism itself and its deeds are the biggest threat to Jews and Judaism.

THEREFORE Orthodox Jews wish to declare that the Zionists do not represent the Jews in any way and they have no mandate whatsoever to speak in the name of the Jewish People.

President Arafat embodies the Palestinian claim and dream to be their own masters in Palestine and it is for this cause that he has devoted most of his years.

Orthodox Jews endorse the Palestinian claim to independence because that is the wish of the Palestinian People, the indigenous population of Palestine. This is what our Torah, our religion, requires us to do.

We wish to add that the connection between Arab and Jew goes right back into ancient history. Mostly the relationship was friendly and mutually beneficial. Historically, the situation frequently was that when Jews were being persecuted in Europe they found refuge in the various Arab countries. Our attitude to Arabs and Muslims must only be one of friendliness and respect. It was only the advent of the Zionists and Zionism which upset this age old relationship.

We also wish to declare once again that the only solution to the impasse in Palestine is the total peaceful dismantling of the Zionist State. We would welcome the opportunity to dwell in peace in the holy land under a rule which is entirely in accordance with the wishes and aspirations of the Palestinian People.

The Zionist State known as “Israel” is a regime that has no right to exist. Its continuing existence is the underlying cause of the strife in Palestine.

We pray for an end to bloodshed and an end to the suffering of all innocent people - Jew and non-Jew alike - worldwide.

We wish President Arafat a speedy recovery and we pray for a solution to the terrible and tragic impasse that exists in Palestine. Hopefully based on results brought about by moral, political and economic pressures imposed by the nations of the world.

* Sadly, President Arafat passed away. Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews attended his graveside memorial service on 14 Nov. 2004.
* Read statement prepared by Neturei Karta International for the International anti-Apartheid Wall demonstration, on November 13, 2004, in Paris France.

heheh Arafat who is?:))

ohhh this "setmar " and "neturai karta" organizations!
these people u can find in Jerusalem neighbours like "Mea shaarim" and "Beit Israel"
somebody know(from israelies) if religious people in this neighbours has israeli citizenship and speak hebrew? as i know they speak only yiddish
They speak Hebrew. At least the people I know speak Hebrew.

They have a point of view that can be debated. People do not have to agree or disagree with them. I personally wish they would remove themselves from public demonstrations. But, from within a valid perspective of discourse, they can argue their position from a place of intelligence. But I think it is misunderstood by the secular and non-Jewish world. Regardless of the merits of their arguments, I believe they serve Judaism better by stopping their public demonstrations.

Well here is something you don't see everyday :)

I've heard about these lots of times in Sydney... Lots of my friends hate them... so do I.... We hate Neturai Karta :bash:

:ohno:

That's nothing new, these guys where having demonstrations since Israel's first day .
Being a Jew doesn't mean being a Zionist, often the more orthodox a Jew is the less Zionist he'll be actually.
These guys belong to an odd and eccentric group, they are generally considered a joke more then any sort of threat .
they are entitled for their own opinions IMO , they are still considered equal citizens of Israel and are free to use it's services, as they do - makes you doubt their commitment to their ideology .
I personally find them very amusing :) .

:? I figured it would be LESS devout Jews that would be against Israel. We've got a couple of Jews on campus that are part of the student Arab association largely because of Israeli policies, and they tend to be less religious. Well, then again, Israelis living in Israel tend to be fairly secular. I do not know what to think anymore.

Well here is something you don't see everyday :)

i know what you mean, anyway, no one is listening. . . . sad, just sad

^^ Crazy

:) I think it is funny that the highest quality anti-Israel web site is run by all JEWS :)

there seems to be a lot of these people

:) I think that it will help Israel a great deal if they showed these people on Arab tv! :)

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PLANNED FLAG BURNING IN LONDON MARCH 18, 2003
STOPPED BY ZIONISTS

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there seems to be a lot of these people

:) I think that it will help Israel a great deal if they showed these people on Arab tv! :)

there are not a lot of those people and how would it help???
I don’t get the point of this thread.
Yes in origin almost all the religious Jews were against the foundation of Israel but after WWII many of them understood it’s necessary.
And they are being Hippocratic when they wave their Palestinian flags because they believe that when messiah comes (can be any moment) he will give Jews much more then what’s Israel today, he will give them what king Solomon used to have (Jordan, partly Syria and Lebanon).
So Israelis don’t like them.

They speak Hebrew. At least the people I know speak Hebrew.

They have a point of view that can be debated. People do not have to agree or disagree with them. I personally wish they would remove themselves from public demonstrations. But, from within a valid perspective of discourse, they can argue their position from a place of intelligence. But I think it is misunderstood by the secular and non-Jewish world. Regardless of the merits of their arguments, I believe they serve Judaism better by stopping their public demonstrations.

are u from Bnei Brak????????

what is " People do not have to agree or disagree with them"

of course the most people disagree with them!!!!!it's stupid sentence!!!!

this rabbi has palestinian citizenship!
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I just came across this and found it interesting

you don't think that this would help the jewish image (but not Israeli) in some arab places???

for what we need good imagine in arab world?

Also why do those jews have those clothes ???????

today is Lag Ba Omer(day of bonfires)
ultrareligious jews burned israeli flag!!!!!!
OMG i so hate them!

are u from Bnei Brak????????

what is " People do not have to agree or disagree with them"

of course the most people disagree with them!!!!!it's stupid sentence!!!!
I am not from Bnei Brak.

Most people disagree with them, certainly.

But we need to understand the context of the arguments they present. Their discourse is based on a perspective of Torah. As are the opinions of other religous groups that disagree with these groups. Within that context, and bearing in mind the individuals who first espoused their position, they have a valid argument. Their argument is not the accepted majority opinion within the religous community. But that does not mean their argument is worthless.

Keep in mind that the religous community and its leaders will present opinions based on Torah perspectives. If the secular communities misunderstand or disagree with those opinions, that is of no consequence to them. This means that when a decision needs to be made that concerns a Torah-based issue, these religous groups will develop their positions based on their understanding of Torah. They may completely disregard issues that secular people consider very important.

This is why I said that people do not have to agree or disagree with them. Both perspectives have validity within a defined context.

yes but even many religious people don't like this organizations

yes but even many religious people don't like this organizations
There are some who do not like these groups. There are others who disagree with their interpretation of this issue but still recognize the contribution these people make in Jewish life and Torah in other areas and for other issues.

For the religous, these types of arguments are made Lishmah, in an honest manner trying to interpret Torah correctly. These arguments usually do not extend outside or past the context of the specific ruling or opinion.

In this case, it sometimes extends to other issues because the Land of Israel is such a central issue for all of Judaism and Torah and the Jewish people. So sometimes emotions take over where it perhaps would be better if the did not.

10,000 people did not protest against Israel on April 28th. Last weekend when Sharon was in New York, he spoke at the university that is across the street from my apartment. There were about 2,000 people down on 23rd street, one block away, protesting the disengagement. One block down from there, there were about 50 Naturei Karta giving their usual schpeel. Its actually funny (in a sad way) how the Naturei Karta are used by the anti-Israel folk. For such a tiny group, they sure do get a lot of press.

Interesting thread...

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a)they're idiots.
b)who cares? they're a rather tiny minority.
c)since their pov is based mainly on premises that go completely against my own ( all of that 'god' stuff, etc.), I don't think we can ever reach an agreement with them.
d)another good reason why children should learn in free schools.

Azazel good shinuynik:)))

I guess those are the ture jews.

they are jews?

I guess those are the ture jews.
Everybody who is Jewish is Jewish. There are no true Jews and untrue Jews.