If there is to be only one SUPERCASINO - where should it be built?

I think Blackpool. I like city's to be differentiated from each other. Blackpool needs it and it fits its image and its a good way of getting people from the rest of Europe (possibly the rest of the world) to visit.

But what do you think? Where would you put it or would you argue many of our cities should have one?

i think we should have them everywhere.

If I forgot your city don't cry and don't tell me about it because to be honest I don't care (it's a tough world)... you could even take a gamble and move.

Blackpool. As far away from London as possible. I don't want more vice and US influence in my little patch.

Casinos are evil.

Definately Blackpool

If there is to be only one SUPERCASINO - where should it be built?

I think Blackpool. I like city's to be differentiated from each other. Blackpool needs it and it fits its image and its a good way of getting people from the rest of Europe (possibly the rest of the world) to visit.

But what do you think? Where would you put it or would you argue many of our cities should have one?


Isle of Capri have already built a site for a supercasino as part of the Ricoh Arena in Coventry. It could be up and running long before any other casino, and the company as well as local politicians are going to be lobbying for this to be the 1st super-casino - it fulfils all the criteria the government set down.

Blackpool deffo, its needs the major investment that only a project such as this could bring.

I think Manchester myself. It's planned for East Manchester around SportCity and is part of a scheme worth nearly £2 billion in total. We'll probably get none of it without a casino. There'll be the casino, an arena, a snooker hall, an ice rink, a large hotel, a swimming pool with wave machine and artificial beach, a new marina and hundreds of apartments. That kind of regeneration in such a deprived area is what we should be aiming for with this.

Birmingham....Because if its built there, so will that new 60,000 seater stadium!

Birmingham....Because if its built there, so will that new 60,000 seater stadium!

No it won't... 40-50,000 maybe. Remember, the City of Manchester Stadium was originally supposed to be nearly 80,000. These projects always end up being scaled down.

realistically one in Blackpool, I think as a place it would benefit most.

being an economic liberal thoug h I think planning should be left up to local authorities. Why should I have a say on if one goes to Manchester, it should be manchester councilors that decide.

I would imagine London coul have three, but I am sceptical that they will be very profitable. I also don't like slots much, tables are much more interesting.

Birmingham, is probably the only major city in the UK that it wont look out of place, other then that London or Blackpool.

No it won't... 40-50,000 maybe. Remember, the City of Manchester Stadium was originally supposed to be nearly 80,000. These projects always end up being scaled down.


Umm yes it will, the 19th richest man in the world is funding the stadium as long as a super casino is built within the complex. (he owns the sands casino's in Las Veags & Macau)

P.S and the minimum size will be 52,000, and thats with an Athletcis track, if that is removed the capacity could become much bigger.

Umm yes it will, the 19th richest man in the world is funding the stadium as long as a super casino is built within the complex. (he owns the sands casino's in Las Veags & Macau)

I can pretty much guarantee that Birmingham City won't be playing in a stadium with more than around 50,000 seats. It's as simple as that. If a club with the number of supporters and level of revenue Manchester City has can't sustain a stadium of that size then there is no way Birmingham City will. :laugh:

Definately Blackpool. Why is Blackburn on the list lol? I dont believe they have any interest in getting a supercasino.

no where near me hopefully, blackpool would like it.

Blackpool will likely get the first super casino, and it aught to get it as it actually needs it for its very survival.

When its up and running the government will realise its potential as an urban regenerator and others will soon follow.

Manchester is already a big player in the casino business, and has about 6 or 7 moderate sized ones at present. It will however support one or even two of the proposed super casinos. They have pencilled-in sites at Sportcity in the east end of the city and Old Trafford or the Peel Holdings land in the west.

Once the flood-gates are opened as they surely will, it will then be up to the local council authorities to be aggressive enough to get them for their regions.

These casinos will be bringing some negative baggage with them. They will have to contend with a sizeable opposition from moralists who for some reason are against regulated gaming that has odds of only 51% to 49% in favour of 'the house', yet have been conspicuously silent about national lotteries where the punters chances of winning are effectively non-existant . And before we get into the 'compulsive' dangers of gambling, the lotteries and scratch-cards are just as addictive and far more accessible to the unfortunate minority who are predisposed.

The extra revenue into the government coffers will soon eclipse the downside. You only have to look what it's done for a certain dusty desert shithole, not to mention a decaying victorian atlantic seaside resort (sound familiar?)on the Jersey shore.....

You can deal me in......

In London there are plans for super casinos in Wembley, Padington (hmm is it paddington?), the Dome, and I think one or two near leicester square area. I;m sure there are other plans.

As it is there are also lots of changes underfoot in the UK gaming and casino industry, with casinos underway to be bought and sold in droves.

Sheffield. Sheffield had three proposals for a supercasino the best one being at Don Valley which included a 100m + observation tower.

I can pretty much guarantee that Birmingham City won't be playing in a stadium with more than around 50,000 seats. It's as simple as that. If a club with the number of supporters and level of revenue Manchester City has can't sustain a stadium of that size then there is no way Birmingham City will.

Off topic for one minute!

Earlybird! What are you talking about? How are City not sustaining the City of Manchester Stadium?

Explain!(scratches head!)

Oh! Blackpool!

Off topic for one minute!

Earlybird! What are you talking about? How are City not sustaining the City of Manchester Stadium?

Explain!(scratches head!)

City are sustaining a 50,000 seater. The original plans were for an 80,000 seater, which they would have filled for the Commonwealth Games quite easily, but they decided against it because City couldn't have sustained it afterwards. They scaled it down to a level City could sustain, i.e. 50,000.

wth have Leeds and Blackburn and Norwich and Ipswich got in common? They're totally different places and with totally different styles. Blackpool anyway, except Leeds, Birmingham or Croydon would be ok.

City are sustaining a 50,000 seater. The original plans were for an 80,000 seater, which they would have filled for the Commonwealth Games quite easily, but they decided against it because City couldn't have sustained it afterwards. They scaled it down to a level City could sustain, i.e. 50,000.

Not quite correct Earlybird!

The 80,000 seater was planned for the Olympics, which we never won!
There was never a 80,000 seater planned for the Commonwealth Games!

Not quite correct Earlybird!

The 80,000 seater was planned for the Olympics, which we never won!
There was never a 80,000 seater planned for the Commonwealth Games!

Yes there was. The original proposal for the Commonwealth Games was to continue with the planned Olympic village on the SportCity site, but City couldn't invest enough capital so they had to come up with a new plan, which is what we ended up getting. If City could have made it profitable it would have been built.

Sorry guys, I actually think you are both wrong.
If i remember rightly, what happened was that Manchester won the commonwealths without putting a stadium definatavily in the bid.
After the commonwealths were won, Manchester used the Olympic stadium design from tis olympic bids to bid in the government run competition to find a replacement for wembely stadium. Manchester lost its bid to wembely after the competition had been fixed so Wembely could win (moving the date of announcement to after euro'96, the Fa buying Wembely just before the decision etc...).

Within that anouncemnt and to soften the blow to Manchester, which by that time was the only competitor still in the running, we got the scaled down version part financed by the government and the aquatics centee part financed too. Other money frot hese projects came from Manchester council, europe, the universities, private and others.......

Personally, when you think the national stadium will generate £200million per year for the economy of part of London, I dont think we got a fair deal do you?

Also, after the decision, there was wranglings over whether to build the stadium with the running track underneath and moving seats or the one we got.

The decision not to build the one with the track underneath was based on the government saying manchester should pay for it and manchester saying government should pay for it. I think government should have paid for it cos it could have replaced the Picketts lock stadium after it enevitably failed and we could be holding the world athletics in briatin this summer. All for £10million quid.
What a waste......

Is the Paddington one in the Hilton Paddington?

Your almost right Earlybird! :)

The original plan for the Commonwealth Games stadium was for a 60,000 seat venue capable of hosting Football matches, Rugby League internationals and pop concerts. However, one of the Council’s main priorities was to ensure that the stadium would have a sustainable future. To help guarantee this they entered negotiations with Manchester City FC, who agreed to move in as tenants after the Games. As a result, a revised plan emerged in which the stadium would be built with a capacity of 38,000 for the Games, increasing to 48,000 when it was handed over to Manchester City for the 2003/04 season.

Blackpool. It could do with the investment and is the right place for one.

I think Manchester myself. It's planned for East Manchester around SportCity and is part of a scheme worth nearly £2 billion in total. We'll probably get none of it without a casino. There'll be the casino, an arena, a snooker hall, an ice rink, a large hotel, a swimming pool with wave machine and artificial beach, a new marina and hundreds of apartments. That kind of regeneration in such a deprived area is what we should be aiming for with this.

You would. :pet:

Blackpool has some of the highest indices of poverty and the worst health in the country, while having an economy that already ideally suited to the introduction of such a concept.

A clutch of five or six of them along the waterfront.
With that sort of build up we might start getting more flights from Europe into Blackpool airport and have our own little mini Las Vegas.

Cool or what? :cucumber:

Blackpool. It could do with the investment and is the right place for one.

Definitely Blackpool. I don't think casinos will benefit most cities, but they will Blackpool.

Glasgow has proposals for supercasinos at Ranger's Ibrox and as part of the SECC's expansion and Arena complex

Ibrox casino : : £120 million
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/upload/080904ncasino_lg.jpg

QD2 Casino :
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/upload/120704nsecc2_lg.jpg

From some of the broadsheets...

the government is looking at having more than 1 Supercasio now, if they don't they were saying Blackpool and London are not looking good bets for one casino as they would not be representative.

Manchester was named by a few of the articles as a good bet, but we'll see in a few months I suppose.

Blackpool for me without a doudt.

Although i would love to see Blackpool get the supercasino, as i believe it seriously needs something to kickstart some regerneration, my preffered choice is still Birmingham.

The new stadium would not be built without it, so it's vital that brum is granted a supercasino to help regenerate the area of the city the supercasino is planned for.

The plans are currently for a 50,000 seater stadium. I don't see a problem with anything that size being built, as it will be maintained by the owners of the supercasion. So it doesn't matter if birmingham city can fill it or not, because i assume the idea is that the stadium could be used for bigger events in the future that would fill it.

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There is one Planned for the Greenwich peninsula as part of the Redevelopment....and 10% of the site has been set aside for a casino.

When will we find out where the Casino will be?

MGM are trying to get a joint venture going in my very hometown of Southend. I'm not sure if it would qualify as a supercasino, but its planned to be a hefty size bigger than the ones here already. With the new investment in the airport and the town, it could be just the thing we need to bring more money in and keep the momentum going.

http://www.westcliffcasino.co.uk/casino_project_information/index.html

From some of the broadsheets...

the government is looking at having more than 1 Supercasio now, if they don't they were saying Blackpool and London are not looking good bets for one casino as they would not be representative.

Manchester was named by a few of the articles as a good bet, but we'll see in a few months I suppose.
I really wouldn't be suprised if the Eastlands one did win it. The plans would pretty much triple the size of SportCity and would create the single largest entertainment complex in Europe from my understanding, right in the middle of one of the UK's most deprived areas.

Your almost right Earlybird! :)

The original plan for the Commonwealth Games stadium was for a 60,000 seat venue capable of hosting Football matches, Rugby League internationals and pop concerts. However, one of the Council’s main priorities was to ensure that the stadium would have a sustainable future. To help guarantee this they entered negotiations with Manchester City FC, who agreed to move in as tenants after the Games. As a result, a revised plan emerged in which the stadium would be built with a capacity of 38,000 for the Games, increasing to 48,000 when it was handed over to Manchester City for the 2003/04 season.

This is, I believe, correct.

Interestingly, the stadium is still own By Manchester City Council. City get all of the gate receipts for attendance up to and including the capacity of maine road, but above that there is a tiered system, whereby the city council get the profits for any attendances over and above that.

how about in a city where loads of foriegn tourists can gamble away their hard earned cash.mmmmm....thats London then

Blackpool, that promenade needs a make-over and investment. A Super Casino might be just the trick.

There wont only be 1, the government said if there as enough interest they would hve more, and there is ALOT of interest.

I believe that the only reason they said that we could only have 1 is for the election, but now that it's over we will get more, hopeully:)

When do they choose the first anyway?

There wont only be 1, the government sid if there as enough interest they would hve more, and there is ALOT of interest.

I believe that the only reason they said that we could only have 1 is for the election, but now that it's over we will get more, hopeully:)

When do they choose the first anyway?

The problem though Newcastle kid, is there there is a big moral lobby both right and left wing who are opposed to gambling and the government is afraid of upseting it, which is why they backtracked so much in the first place.

There is also the Gordon Brown factor, he represents the old methodist side of the labour party which is not keen on gambling at all.

As regards the question of where this one should go, I agree with vertigosufferer, it could be a catalyst for investment into Blackpool

Blackpool, that promenade needs a make-over and investment. A Super Casino might be just the trick.
The promenade is getting a complete overhaul as we speak.

I think Blackpool has this in the bag, if not then London. Of course I'd like to see it come to Leeds for the economic benefit it will surely bring.
Leeds in effect has 2 bids - one for Leeds central (Elland Rd or City Centre) and one on the outskirts at Castleford (small town on very outskirts, although technically not Leeds might aswell be).
Remember there is also the potential negative side effect - think Las Vegas and you think Casinos and tacky, nothing else.

Glasgow has four huge bids - I'm amazed you didnt put it on the list! How many other cities have four bids?

SECC - £562m development backed by Kerzner International.

Glasgow Harbour - Las Vegas MGM Mirage

Ibrox Sands - £200m development backed by Las Vegas Sands

Bowling - £300m development backed by Harrah

I'm biased but with four massive firm proposals then I think Glasgow should win.

I think it's likely Blackpool will win though.

you have left coventry off the list. Its one of the main contenders along with blackpool to get a supercasino.

^Nah, I would say that Blackpool is in a league of its own when it comes to this contest.

you have left coventry off the list. Its one of the main contenders along with blackpool to get a supercasino.

Coventry's been ruled out - it's not on the list of "finalists". The actual casino site is currently being fitted out apparently.

Not that I give a stuff. Casinos are rubbish.

City are sustaining a 50,000 seater. The original plans were for an 80,000 seater, which they would have filled for the Commonwealth Games quite easily, but they decided against it because City couldn't have sustained it afterwards. They scaled it down to a level City could sustain, i.e. 50,000.


Um, wrong. City redeveloped it after the games and made it bigger. They dug down six metres to remove the athletics track and install additional seating, and developed one end.

Before/after shots here:
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You missed Sheffield as Well!

Three proposal here, the only city to make the final run and have more than one proposal!

Sheffield Sands (at Sheffield United's Bramall lane Ground) joint with Las Vegas Sands
Don Valley (at Don Valley Stadium) joint with Sun International
Meadowhall (at Meadowhall Shopping Centre) joint with MGM

Although I don't like the idea of the MGM proposal - renderings look shite and it's too far out of the centre to regenerate the area, customers will simply fly off the M!, empty their pockets and fly back on again. Also, the Don Valley one proposes to remove 5,000 seats from the stadium. Not a good idea in my opinion...

I think only Blackpool fits the bill and it would help the ongoing regeneration of the town. Viva Las Blackpool!

glasgow should get it right next to ibrox park

L O N D O N :guns1:

Everyone wants this one supercasino in Blackpool. I voted for Blackpool so I would have this supercasino built there.

Looks like we know where John Prescott wants it.

http://www.attraction-guides.com/images/london/millenium_dome3.jpg

I know where i want it and where it will be most suucessful and have greatest reach. There should be more....

how about in a city where loads of foriegn tourists can gamble away their hard earned cash.mmmmm....thats London then

Then it should be built somewhere other than London, spread the overheating economy around a bit.

You really reckon foreign tourists are going to bother going to blackpool? Iam even more in favour of it being in London. IT would generate the greatest tax returns.

^typical London attitude... and completely wrong too. Blackpool gets tonnes of foreign visitors WITHOUT casinos.

You really reckon foreign tourists are going to bother going to blackpool? Iam even more in favour of it being in London. IT would generate the greatest tax returns.

Well it would generate millions and millions in Newcastle along with the conference centre, and I don't particularly think London needs one considering they are getting the olympics, all the new stadiums, T5 etc... London shouldn't have everything, no matter how damn profitable it is for the capital. Other cities deserve an economy boost too, and I doubt it would have most affect in London even if it did bring in the most.

I’d be interested to see the forecast for these types of “super” casino in the UK.
Places where these types of casinos exist Las Vegas, Reno, Atlantic City etc, tend to cater for a market where people travel from an area where gambling is not legal.

In the UK you can walk into a casino and gamble after a 24 hour cooling off period in even relatively small towns. I used to do it in Huddersfield. That combined with bookmakers and the Internet already offer plenty of gambling opportunities.

The thing I am getting at is that anyone who has gambled knows, the higher the potential win the higher the odds of winning are. Does anyone who plays the lottery or plays the pools in the UK actually thing they are likely to win, they play just on the off chance some amazing stroke of luck occurs.

Look at how the number of people playing the lottery has dropped in the years since it started through greater competition but also because people realise they don’t stand a very good chance of winning.

What are the long term projections of these places, people will become dismayed, or are the government trying to take the investment foreign companies are promising and then let them fail after that?

Dome 'led super-casino shortlist'

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41925000/jpg/_41925744_dome_pa203.jpg

The Millennium Dome in south-east London topped a shortlist of possible venues for the UK's first Las Vegas style "super-casino", it has emerged.

Greenwich came ahead of Glasgow and Blackpool in the first round of judging by the Casino Advisory Panel, which whittled 27 entrants down to eight........

continued: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5211590.stm

^typical London attitude... and completely wrong too. Blackpool gets tonnes of foreign visitors WITHOUT casinos.


yes,i'm sure its Blackpool is on many foreign visitors.All those American tourists that come over can't wait to get up there...lol...."screw the Tower of London,Big Ben and the London eye" they say,"we just wanna see the Blackpool Tower and Illuminations!!!!"

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/66525.shtml

Millenium Dome lying in first place, Glasgow second. Manchester, Sheffield and Newcastle ruled out - anyone know if thats true? Manchester ruled out already?

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/66525.shtml

Millenium Dome lying in first place, Glasgow second. Manchester, Sheffield and Newcastle ruled out - anyone know if thats true? Manchester ruled out already?
Well according to that article Greenwich is leading the race despite having been ruled out itself, so who knows?

"The government's casino advisory panel, which will recommend the location of the sole Las Vegas-style regional supercasino, has placed Glasgow's bid just behind Greenwich in a ratings table assessing the 67 bids...

Officials also said that local authorities that did not make the list of potential supercasino sites - including Blackpool, Brent, Cardiff, Greenwich, Manchester, Newcastle and Sheffield - could still be in the running for large or small casinos."
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You really reckon foreign tourists are going to bother going to blackpool? Iam even more in favour of it being in London. IT would generate the greatest tax returns.

OK then, if it is not to be London, lets put it in the UK's third most visited city and second in the first round and that would be:


GLASGOW

Officials also said that local authorities that did not make the list of potential supercasino sites - including Blackpool, Brent, Cardiff, Greenwich, Manchester, Newcastle and Sheffield - could still be in the running for large or small casinos.

I think this is just a crappily structured sentence - the list of cities is clarification of the potential supercasino sites, rather than cities that didn't make it...

Isn't this thread a waste of time. London will obviously be the venue simply because of our corrupt government - add together the government's casino advisory panel and John Prescott = London.

Sheffield has had a supercasino proposal by bond Bryan. http://www.bondbryan.com/main.htm
I dont know what happening with it.
Whether it is pre-planning/proposed or approved i dont know but i hope it gets built in sheffield.:):):):)

I say Blackpool. Let's keep all the social problems in one place. ;)

Give it to Blackpool, it could do with the investment. altho i have to say the Dome in Greenwich does seem like it would be the natural home for it it.

The top of Ben Nevis or the bottom of Loch Ness. :yes:

whys sheffield not on the list it was one of the faverourites

I'm confused, I thought Manchester already won this corrupt competition???
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42525000/jpg/_42525859_casino_getty.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6312707.stm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1540985/Manchester-is-shock-super-casino-choice.html

" The city’s 5,000 square metre super-casino will have up to 1,250 unlimited jackpot gaming machines, as well as a multi-purpose arena, a swimming pool, an urban sports venue, restaurants, bars, a nightclub and a hotel. The development will be based at Sportcity in the Beswick area of Manchester, close to the City of Manchester Stadium, now used by Manchester City FC. "

I wonder if there ever will be an inquirey as to how ManX won and Blackpool the clear favourites were robbed.

Sheffield has had a supercasino proposal by bond Bryan. http://www.bondbryan.com/main.htm
I dont know what happening with it.
Whether it is pre-planning/proposed or approved i dont know but i hope it gets built in sheffield.:):):):)

Thomas.....the Bond Bryan/Sun City one is as dead as a dodo, as is the whole supercasino concept for the entire UK!

Why on earth do you keep resurrecting old jobs or proposals that have been dead for years?