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:cheers::cheers:

Pool area should be OK if you just like to 'wallow' - but if you want to swim lengths then you could have a problem..


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Dear AppleMac, I think you are right. Is swimming pool. Thank you Imre, Your pictures are very nice. With Photoshop, I put some colors in swiming pool.

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hourad - I'm not sure that is correct. My reading of it is that the bits that are blue now are the pool areas, the rest is sun deck.

For 700 apartments it certainly is not a very big pool.


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Could be a kind of infinity pool with a quite impressive width!

Could be a kind of infinity pool with a quite impressive width!

It is a very impressive infinty pool looking at these pictures -
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What is the current official date of handing over given by Emaar?

What is the current official date of handing over given by Emaar?


I think #t!j&be?r 1st , 20Inshallah :)

Does anyone know how one would access the villas?

Through the underground parking or through the plaza level?

Or perhaps the same way you get into the apartments - through a hallway?

Hi all,

Im looking for a 1 bed for sale in Park Island. Budget around Aed.1 Mill, Cash.

If anyone has such apt please let me know.

thx

Hi all,

Im looking for a 1 bed for sale in Park Island. Budget around Aed.1 Mill, Cash.

If anyone has such apt please let me know.

thx

I have a unit 4 in Fairfield with marina and partial sea view, around 1,1 M

Hi,

Can you please send me all the details for your unit you have for sale in Park Island.

Floor:
Apt No:
Size:
Payment plan:
Original Price:
Is it financed or bought in cash:

thanks in advance.

please mail me on : Mark@egeenproperties.com

Where is everyone.? AppleMac and Imre don't you have any information on the construction or construction activities.?.

Where is everyone.? AppleMac and Imre don't you have any information on the construction or construction activities.?.

when I passed today there was no visible progress from the last set of pictures - perhaps a couple of more windows fitted.

when I passed today there was no visible progress from the last set of pictures - perhaps a couple of more windows fitted.

Thank you.

Did notice when I walked past this afternoon that on the TGR site and the Skyview Tower site work was in full swing ignoring the midday break rule whilst on the other side of the road, Park Island, was dead - just a few workers kipping here and there.

Did notice when I walked past this afternoon that on the TGR site and the Skyview Tower site work was in full swing ignoring the midday break rule whilst on the other side of the road, Park Island, was dead - just a few workers kipping here and there.


Very Frustrating :ohno: ,,,, I hope the reason is other than a sign of bancruptcy. Thanks

I think we're seeing Emaar throwing everything they've got at Burj Dubai for the Sept opening.

No, they work on the Quays:-)))

For sure there are many working inside since it takes longer to do all internal work (electricity, appartments etc.) than it takes them to do the structure of a building.

Do not worry about bancruptcy, Emaar might have faced some liquidity problems this year to pay their contractors but Dubai will never let Emaar go down the road. If Emaar fails Dubai will do so as well and we can all go home.

The last couple times I drove by I noticed the was some activity going on in the villas, and I am quite certain there is still work going on else where in the development.

And as Dirty Harry said, Dubai will never let Emaar fail as 32% is owned by ICD; one of Dubai's SWFs. They have deep pockets and will certainly not allow their flagship developer succumb to the temporary adverse market conditions.

Has anyone noticed that they have recently started building wooden structures on the roofs on the villas? I wasnt aware this was going to be done. Bet it will look quite nice though.

And as Dirty Harry said, Dubai will never let Emaar fail as 32% is owned by ICD; one of Dubai's SWFs. They have deep pockets and will certainly not allow their flagship developer succumb to the temporary adverse market conditions.



it means nothing, Emaar will finish the Marina Quays,Park Island, Marina Mall Hotel, Plaza , Dubai Mall Hotel,Boulevard Plaza and Burj Dubai and thats all, anything else ON HOLD now, nothing happening there , just collecting the money from the investors.

If you see the last 12 months , the government doesnt care about the investors just look the Nakheel and Emaar projects.

I think we're seeing Emaar throwing everything they've got at Burj Dubai for the Sept opening.

completion date of the Burj Dubai has been changed ( Dec 2009)

Finally saw PI , at this pace , It's an October 2010 delivery, if we are lucky.

Finally saw PI , at this pace , It's an October 2010 delivery, if we are lucky.

Although I feel Oct 2009 is over optimistic, I think Oct 2010 is a little far fetched. Lets be positive!

Besides, I believe it is in their best interest to handover as much as humanly possible before the end of the year, as they will recieve the remaining 20% outstanding payment which will then be published in their year end audit report.

Lets hope it is before year end. Finally stumped up the AED 3,000 for the pre registration only to find out Emaar are unable to do it just yet as they have not got it set up on the Oqood system? Anyone else had the same problem?

I would also say December 2009 is possible - however the last 20% installment is for sure not their no. 1 reason to complete within 2009, otherwise they would have pushed for completion much earlier... depends how they will work during Ramadan.

All government owned developers including emaar are working towards one common objective, which is to stabilize the realestate market. Putting another 600 units before clear signs of stability, is defeating this objective. Looking at the intentional trend of progress in PI in the last six months and the prospect of stabilization in the realestate market in Dubai leads to one conclusion,, PI will be on the back burner for another 8-12 months.

Lets hope it is before year end. Finally stumped up the AED 3,000 for the pre registration only to find out Emaar are unable to do it just yet as they have not got it set up on the Oqood system? Anyone else had the same problem?

You don't have to pay the 3k AED pre-registration fee--Park Island is exempted from this fee.

All government owned developers including emaar are working towards one common objective, which is to stabilize the realestate market. Putting another 600 units before clear signs of stability, is defeating this objective. Looking at the intentional trend of progress in PI in the last six months and the prospect of stabilization in the realestate market in Dubai leads to one conclusion,, PI will be on the back burner for another 8-12 months.

So you as an investor in PI must be thankful to Emaar because they take care of the property market and delaying and delaying helps us all??? They sold everything a few years ago, so they did their job...

We have all these theories...I wish Emaar would put out a press release of their remaining deliveries with realisitic dates.

You don't have to pay the 3k AED pre-registration fee--Park Island is exempted from this fee.

Having just checked with Emaar, pre-registration has to be completed before you occupy the property. It is not exempt although it would appear you are in no hurry to do it.

So you as an investor in PI must be thankful to Emaar because they take care of the property market and delaying and delaying helps us all??? They sold everything a few years ago, so they did their job...

I Shall hold my thanks to Emaar until they ern it. They will start earning my thanks when they follow peer developers and offer helpful alternatives and transparancy to the very customers that helped put them
on the realestate map.

Having just checked with Emaar, pre-registration has to be completed before you occupy the property. It is not exempt although it would appear you are in no hurry to do it.

Honestly, even EMAAR has no clue what they are talking about--you might want to check again. I submitted my pre-registration fee for 3k AED 3 months ago through AMLAK and they told me the next day to pick up my check because it is not required.

So until they / if they notify me again about it, I would definitely hold off on paying it.

Hi all,

Just came back from an early morning visit to Park Island. I tried again to get in and the security guy didn't allow me to do so. As per what i saw I don't think this property will be ready by end of October as promised by EMAAR on the last handover delay letter.

Anyway I was surprised to see some few workers today.

Sorry for being so pessimist but my new guesstimate is middle of next year : (

Cheers!

Hi all,

Just came back from an early morning visit to Park Island. I tried again to get in and the security guy didn't allow me to do so. As per what i saw I don't think this property will be ready by end of October as promised by EMAAR on the last handover delay letter.

Anyway I was surprised to see some few workers today.

Sorry for being so pessimist but my new guesstimate is middle of next year : (

Cheers!


Thank you for the update. I think you are a realist rather than a pesimist

I am dreading the day I get another message from EMAAR saying an update on the project has been sent to you.... Cuz now I know it will be another date they will not be able to deliver on.....

I recently bought an apartment in the Sanibel Tower of Park Island. After browsing through this forum, I am starting to confirm my first opinions of EMAAR. Is it true that handover will not be until sometime in 2010? I feel sorry for those that have been waiting almost 4 years.

I don't think anyone here can do anything if the delivery is in 2012. Under the current regulations in Dubai, anything delivered to the investor is a big favor done by the developer/govt :)

Does Anyone think there would be any value if all of us writing a letter each to Emaar seeking transparancy in the actual handover date. It may be helpful to Emaar for adding more integrity to the Brand, and helpful for those who are having to postpone rental contracts.

While I believe that sounds like a good idea, somehow I think it would fall on deaf ears. :bash:
Just out of curiosity, what was the original handover date and how many subsequent delays thereafter?

Original date was December 2008. if they delay by more than 12 months (in total) you have the right to sell back the property to Emaar - at the original price given by Emaar plus interest, but regardless what you might have paid on the secondary market. Otherwise Emaar can delay as long as they want, they only have to inform you about the new delay 4 weeks prior to each expected date of handing over. No compensation, nothing.

This is why Emaar is quiet relaxed, nobody can actually harm or threaten them and they know that exactly.

Original date was December 2008.

It was actually July 2008

Original date was December 2008. if they delay by more than 12 months (in total) you have the right to sell back the property to Emaar - at the original price given by Emaar plus interest, but regardless what you might have paid on the secondary market. Otherwise Emaar can delay as long as they want, they only have to inform you about the new delay 4 weeks prior to each expected date of handing over. No compensation, nothing.

This is why Emaar is quiet relaxed, nobody can actually harm or threaten them and they know that exactly.

Mine was August, 2008. I think the 12 months refund/resale clause is only in the case of force-measur, hence , Emaar's specific reason in letters being to "insure the quality of the units".!!.

Any way i will be writting to Emaar a letter requesting them to reveal the date they "Intend" to hand-over and highlight total loss of investment opportunities + rental renewal losses. They should offer compensating schems like (40%) discounts on paying early the final payment. It seem like a "win/win" At times when cash is king.

I think Emaar has amongst it's ranks excellent senior management that care about the Brand, especially during "testing times". The more "informed" they are on about the extent of pain their investors are going through, the more amenable Emaar might be in providing helpful solutions, like other developers. Venting frustrations in this forum is one thing, raising the issues formaly is another.

I was offered some appartments in PI from Emaar in November 2007, at that time the expected hand over date was December 2008.

I still think that December 2009 for PI is possible - however the amount of workers there has been obviously reduced, when I passed the site at 14.00h watching the buses leave.

They will probably work only half day through Ramadan. Anything else would be cruelty and dangerous.

many sites have no works after 14:00

Well they have taken the fence down at the front of the site so it makes it look as though there is progress. To be fair there are more workers on site this morning than I have seen for months - bad news is that they all pack in for the day at 12:00.

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let's hope no "corners cutting" is going on. Thanks for the update.

Dude! nice pictures, it starts to look good : ).

As I mentioned during my last post on Saturday I was surprised to see workers on the site. I hope there're plenty of them working on the inside....

If somebody is lucky enough to get into the buildings will be very helpful and a better estimation of the completion date can be calculated.

Hi Fellas, am interested in buying an apartment in bonaire 03 unit 3rd floor 2 bed but my concern is will it have a marina view behind the villas or is it above the villa roof top, secondly there is another place in sanibel 17th floor 05 unit, will this have any partial or marina views, thanks everyone

Looking at the site model on a Bonaire 03 I doubt that you will get any view over the top of the villas.

Sanibel 05 does not have any marina view at all - from the 17th floor you should get a bit of a sea view.

Thankyou

Does anybody know what the EMAAR Service Charge for Park Island will be? Also, If handover occurs without some of the amenities finished for eg. pool/gymnasium etc. Are we still charged the whole service charge amount? Finally, is the service charged billed in advance?

Does anybody know what the EMAAR Service Charge for Park Island will be? Also, If handover occurs without some of the amenities finished for eg. pool/gymnasium etc. Are we still charged the whole service charge amount? Finally, is the service charged billed in advance?

For Burj Views (identical buildings in Downtown Burj Dubai), service fees are AED 23/Sft. Charges should be around the same here as well.

That would be really ridiculous high. For a bunch of fools opening the gate?

28.750 AED p.a. for a 2 bed with 1250 sqft. Nice. Plus Housing fee. Plus DEWA.

There is a general lack of understanding by most people as to what their service charges pay for.

Service charges are related to costs for all common services and maintenance of the building.


Electricity for the areas outside of your apartment.
Air con costs for the corridors, lobbies etc
swimming pool chemicals and daily cleaning
cleaning of the common areas
security guards and systems
waste disposal
gardening and sweeping up outside
night time lighting/bulb replacements
window cleaning
sewage removal
lift maintenance and running/cleaning costs
repair of vandalism damage, more common than you think!
an annual allowance for the ongoing repair and replacements of the the building fabric and fittings.


An adjustment is then made for any unforeseen or unusual costs. The building management company add on their fee which is a percentage of the total annual costs. At the end of the day all these costs are totalled up and divided by the square footage of the residential portion of the building.

I know, the more facilities and the more amenities the higher the costs for maintaining them. However at the end of the day it is mainly labour and everybody knows that those little poor indians etc. are paid less than lousy.

Make a calculation: 28 floors, 6 appartments on each floor, just let's say 1.000 sqft each appartment. 23 AED per sqft. Gives you 3.864.000 AED p.a. And that would be for just one of the 4 towers of PI... 15.456.000 for all 4 towers!!! ... more than 3 Mio. EUROS p.a. And just 1 year warranty...

That's a joke.

No more comment needed...

It's not mainly labour, that's why I listed some examples for you. The utility charges alone for 4 towers and podiums will be massive.

Anyway, you just need to ask for accounts at the end of each year.

Aren't utilities paid separately from service/maintainance charges by each owner ?
I suspect also that the accounts will be fiddled.
It's also crazy to charge for service charges before you are satisfied with your personal Handover.

where else in the world would you pay US$ 8000 per annum just to use a pool and car park?

What about the fact that when handover takes place you can bet that not all amenities will be finished eg. pool, gym etc. Should we not be reimbursed or at least charged a reduced service fee? Also, is the Service Fee charged in advance?

The building insurance costs are part of the service charges also. and they won't be cheap. It might be an idea to form a tenants committee and attend the first building administrators meeting. The service charges can be challenged.

You dont get something for nothing and if high services fees are matched by high service levels then I wont be complaining too much.

I currently live in an apartment that has low service fees, it is a constant battle to get the maintenance contractor to do anything and when they finally get around to fixing something the standard is so low that you wish they hadn't bothered.

So dont be so keen to cut the service fees without thinking about exactly what you will get in return.

^^ New York? London?

Not justified but condo fees are pretty high in most metro's.

If you don't pay the service fees in advance you won't get the keys, that's it.
At least for the first year.

This is not owner's paradise here:-)

Anyway, Emaar needs cash. Desperately.

Just came back from PI after a morning inspection. There were some few guys mainly working in the entrance of the building (I noticed the same in Marina Quays).

Some of them mentioned to me that the inside of the buildings will be ready in 2 months time (matching Emaar's handover date) but the facilities will be ready by next year.

It's almost impossible to get into the buildings for some pictures : ( , anyway, to show some workers especially on a day off is a good sign...

Do the 1 bedroom apartments come with a parking space? I forgot to ask when I purchased?

DOnt get me wrong Dubai is great, But u cant compare it to New York or London.. Such a big difference.

^^ New York? London?

Not justified but condo fees are pretty high in most metro's.

^^ Definitely no comparison; i can't agree more. My point was regarding the high condo fees in most developed cities.

DOnt get me wrong Dubai is great, But u cant compare it to New York or London.. Such a big difference.

Don't get me wrong , but for an ever growing number of people arround world, Dubai is very much comperable and even much nicer to live in than London and NY. It just depends on what one looks for in a city. To me, all capital cities in the gulf region (lead by Dubai) has qualities that London and New York can't even come close to.

Don't get me wrong , but for an ever growing number of people arround world, Dubai is very much comperable and even much nicer to live in than London and NY. It just depends on what one looks for in a city. To me, all capital cities in the gulf region (lead by Dubai) has qualities that London and New York can't even come close to.

I love dubai but would be interested to know what these qualities are.....come on seriously!?

Dubai is the most advanced place for the MENA region....its not a world class city YET like LDN or NYC.

Do the 1 bedroom apartments come with a parking space? I forgot to ask when I purchased?

yes

[QUOTE=christian875;41544854]Honestly, even EMAAR has no clue what they are talking about--you might want to check again. I submitted my pre-registration fee for 3k AED 3 months ago through AMLAK and they told me the next day to pick up my check because it is not required.

So until they / if they notify me again about it, I would definitely hold off on paying it.[/QUOT

I too have paid 3 months back. But emaar is still not ready with the Oqood .
There was no need to rush and collect this when Emaar have collected the 90% payment and the hand over date is still uncertain...ksk

Marina apartments defy Dubai rental slide

http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090827/NATIONAL/708269854/1042

In U.S., for my flat, which was 1,680 sqf,. I used to pay $600 (2,196 AED) per month. This would be less than 16 Dirhams per sqf per annum. This would cover:
Building Insurance
All water bills (including units consumption)
Free Valet parking and carry grocery to your flat
24 hours security
24 hours. Conceir Service (not a door man service!)
Carry luggage service
Maintenance for Indoor and Out Door pull and Jacuzzis
Maintenance of wet and dry saunas
Maintenance of Jugging track and the lake
Maintenance of a full professional health club and common shower areas (about 8000 sqf)
Full time professional manager on site
Two Full time engineer (since older building needed more repairs, it was built 1988)
Elevators Service Maintenance contracts (5 elevators including service elevators)
Landscaping
Cleaning and trash removal of all common areas (always spot less)
Electricity for all common areas
And etc…
And this is in U.S, were all employees must get a minimum of $10 per hour + medical insurance, and all management are on high yearly salaries and the building is always close to 100% occupancy (when occupancy was lower the charge was also lower).
If you don’t believe it check Bonaventure, Dallas Texas on the web.
Now how can Emaar or anybody in that matter can justify 22 AED. Per sqf for a fraction of services, on a brand new under warranty building, it is nothing but simply stealing money. No way they are spending even close to that amount for maintenance. It is really time for creation of a Home Owner Association, which could take bids from various maintenance companies, and sign a contract with one. I doubt we would be paying more that 9.00 AED per sqf, and I even wouldn’t be surprise at 6.00 AED per sqf.

Its high time Emaar gives the exact handover instead of postponing at the end of each quarter.The project is already delayed by 18months . All the excellence they claim to profess gets nullified when they can't give a final handover date...

Does anyone know if there will be alternative access to the underground parking other than at the front? I cant imagine this entrance will suffice for 4 towers worth of cars.

Marina Promenade has side access gates...do we know if PI will follow suit?

I love dubai but would be interested to know what these qualities are.....come on seriously!?

Dubai is the most advanced place for the MENA region....its not a world class city YET like LDN or NYC.

"world Class" is a relative term. My grandmother is world class :)

Seriously ;

Tax Free
Less Polution
Less Crime Rate
Less Social Extremes
Better Job opportunities
More modern Infrastructure
Better environement 4 raising Kids
More beutifull skylines / white sandy beaches
Attractive qualities for job seekers from All over the world (They do come to Dubai!!)
No taxi Qs or greecy fish n chips - (Don't get me wrong.) :)

In U.S., for my flat, which was 1,680 sqf,. I used to pay $600 (2,196 AED) per month, which would be less than 16.00 AEDs per sqf per annum. This would cover:

• Building Insurance
• All water bills (including units consumption)
• Free Valet parking and carry grocery to your flat
• 24 hours security
• 24 hours. Concierge Service (not a door man service!)
• Carry luggage service
• Maintenance for Indoor and Out Door pull and Jacuzzis
• Maintenance of wet and dry saunas
• Maintenance of Jugging track and the lake
• Maint. of a health club and common shower areas (about 8000 sqf)
• Full time professional manager on site
• Two Full time engineer (since older building needed more repairs)
• Elevators Service Maintenance contracts (5 elevators)
• Landscaping
• Cleaning and trash removal of all common areas (always spot less)
• Electricity for all common areas
• And etc…

Note that the U.S. minimum wage is $10/hr. Also, building is about 100% occupied. When occupancy was lower then maintenance charge was lower.

If you don’t believe it check Bonaventure, Dallas Texas on the web.

How can Emaar justify 22 AED/sqf for a fraction of above services, on a brand new building, which everything is under warranty for the first year?
It is really time for creation of a Home Owner Association, which could take bids from various maintenance companies, and I doubt we would be paying no more that AED 9.00/sqf, and I even wouldn’t be surprise at AED 6.00/sqf

In U.S., for my flat, which was 1,680 sqf,. I used to pay $600 (2,196 AED) per month, which would be less than 16.00 AEDs per sqf per annum. This would cover:

• Building Insurance
• All water bills (including units consumption)
• Free Valet parking and carry grocery to your flat
• 24 hours security
• 24 hours. Concierge Service (not a door man service!)
• Carry luggage service
• Maintenance for Indoor and Out Door pull and Jacuzzis
• Maintenance of wet and dry saunas
• Maintenance of Jugging track and the lake
• Maint. of a health club and common shower areas (about 8000 sqf)
• Full time professional manager on site
• Two Full time engineer (since older building needed more repairs)
• Elevators Service Maintenance contracts (5 elevators)
• Landscaping
• Cleaning and trash removal of all common areas (always spot less)
• Electricity for all common areas
• And etc…

Note that the U.S. minimum wage is $10/hr. Also, building is about 100% occupied. When occupancy was lower then maintenance charge was lower.

If you don’t believe it check Bonaventure, Dallas Texas on the web.

How can Emaar justify 22 AED/sqf for a fraction of above services, on a brand new building, which everything is under warranty for the first year?
It is really time for creation of a Home Owner Association, which could take bids from various maintenance companies, and I doubt we would be paying no more that AED 9.00/sqf, and I even wouldn’t be surprise at AED 6.00/sqf

Hi ankabootx,

I think all components of the cost per sq/ft is the same except for concierge, water bills and carry grocery. Do you think property taxes in Texas would even things out as total cost of ownership per sq/ft.?

Hi ankabootx,

I think all components of the cost per sq/ft is the same except for concierge, water bills and carry grocery. Do you think property taxes in Texas would even things out as total cost of ownership per sq/ft.?

First, Valet parking, grocery and pay water bills is a lot, and again doing even the same should cost Emaar much less in Dubai compare to U.S.
Second, property taxes have nothing do with Emaar and their cost of maintenance. Emaar is not paying any property taxes, does it?
Finally, as far as Property taxes, on the same unit (1,680 sqf) you would have to pay about $4000 (AED 8.70/sqf) a year for property taxes in Texas, but that is not for the building. Note, in Texas, there is no state income tax and property tax would pay for all, and that would include:
• Free school for all your children
• Free Library
• Police
• Roads
• Hospitals (not free but subsidized)
Also, it would pay for county employees. So, for example, if it cost you thousands of Dirhams to register your property, it would cost you $10 to register a title deed. How? The county employees are paid by these property taxes, not through fees.

So, considering only the school fees for all you children, even with property taxes, it would still be much cheaper to hold a flat in Dallas Texas compare to here, and receive more and superior services at same time.

Developers are severely overcharging apartment owners and it really need to be stopped.

Hi there boys.
Anyone can tell me if there are others swimming pools over the front-outdoor one?

^^

No - unfortunately.:ohno:

I can understand why someone might be duped by Dubai.
Here's my view, someone who has loved to London to work and also worked and visited other great cities of the world..

"world Class" is a relative term. My grandmother is world class :)

Comments inline..

Tax Free - All that matters is what you end up with in your pocket and relatively that isn't that much in Dubai.. especially if you are not an ex-pat

Less Polution - Less than what and have you smelled the air out there. I am talking about fresh air not the aircon. Why are all the Emiratis in London all Summer i wonder.

Less Crime Rate - Can't argue with that but you have to compare like for like - a city of several million permanent residents/nationals with centuries of history(bad as well as good) versus a city of several hundred thousands (in effect), most of whom are passing through really, discarded once they are past their use by date..


Less Social Extremes - again, are you taking the p*** ? Money can buy you any vice going in Dubai and then some. Is hypocrisy not worse than any social extreme bred out of what is essentially freedom ?

Better Job opportunities - if you want to collect some tourists or ex-pats garbage or wipe their a**

More modern Infrastructure - new doesn't equal better, there are essentially only two main roads in Dubai, one running along hte coastline and one across and they still haven't managed to get that right in a decade or more

Better environement 4 raising Kids - yeh, great environment, great moral examples the emiratis are, world leaders in their chosen fields.. This is the comment that made me reply to your post because as i left Dubai this past week i actually commented that i would never bring children up there!

More beutifull skylines / white sandy beaches - has anyone told the emaratis how tacky everything looks ? have you seen the manhattan or hongkong skylines ? have you driven or better still walked through central London or Paris, Rome etc. - you inhabit a different planet from me dude.

Attractive qualities for job seekers from All over the world (They do come to Dubai!!) - they come to leech, people who are failures in their own countries or so destitute that they will face any indignantcy to feed their families. The unforutnate especially - don't insult them like this.

No taxi Qs or greecy fish n chips - (Don't get me wrong.) :) - The Soviet Union managed the same quite well in their time, did you have a blast in Moscow during the cold war by any chance ?


I have bought in Park Island but i am not living in some fantasy world, i have my reasons for visiting Dubai and it is no different to the reasons why so many english frequent Marbella or Nice.. Lets not get carried away with what Dubai is or ever will be...

p.s. i paid a visit to PI this week, poor show EMAAR, no where near ready

I can understand why someone might be duped by Dubai.
Here's my view, someone who has loved to London to work and also worked and visited other great cities of the world..

- The Soviet Union managed the same quite well in their time, did you have a blast in Moscow during the cold war by any chance ?


I have bought in Park Island but i am not living in some fantasy world, i have my reasons for visiting Dubai and it is no different to the reasons why so many english frequent Marbella or Nice.. Lets not get carried away with what Dubai is or ever will be...

p.s. i paid a visit to PI this week, poor show EMAAR, no where near ready

Hi irk,

It seems that my opinion has 'irked' you :). Too many *** :ohno:, exactly what i meant by social extreme. Keep thes points to your imagination.

Successful expats of Dubai , that came from all over the world, who were focused on earning a decent living, helped in making Dubai what it is today. Unfortunately , those that did not succeed, were decent enough to be thankful for the job opportunity and the chance to learn the rich culture of their hosts. The rest are forgotten!!!.

I didn't get the 'Moscow cold war' thing-a-ma-jig :) ,,, Free your mind my friend.

Emiraties go to NY and London for the summer and expats from colder countries come to Dubai in the winter. So.?.. Daa!

It's called crime RATE because it takes in consideration the population. Math-101.:ohno:

Why did you leach in Dubai and why did you buy from Tacky skilines.?:nuts:

Don't get me wrong, London and NY are great cities but, to me ,the two are not as nice to live-in as Dubai and GCC and small town U.S. and Europe.

From the sound of things i'm glad Dubai wasn't your 'cup-of-tea' and I'm Glad that Dubai put you out of your misorry and i wish you the best of luck.:cheers:

would like to start a poll, honestly when do people think PI will be completed and ready to move in, I say Feb2010

Jan 2010. Can't see Emaar (with gov't guidance) increasing the residential inventory in 2009. Also, am I the only one that notices that no lights can be seen in PI at night -- unlike other developments nearing the end of completion?

April 2010

keep it comming gents

Funny how you missed almost every single one of my points.

Successful ex-pats ? They're are only two kinds of ex-pats, those here to rob the UAE government on behalf of some foreign corporation and those who couldn't make it anywhere else - i personally know several of this variety.

If you wanted to be truly successful you would compete in the biggest world markets and Dubai is not one of them. Don't you realise how many state subsidies companies are being offered to "appear" to be doing business there ?

Tell me what part of Emirati culture western ex-pats learn, they live in isolated communities receating there own little worlds within a world. You might consider that great fun but a mark of a great city or culture it isn't.

Don't confuse convenience and a low cost of living with greatness.
Think about what that convenience exists, why the bars are crowded with white-skinned prostitutes, why men who should be retired and cared for by the community they have served all their working lives are tending immaculate lawns for a few dollars a day in unbearable heat.
This is what you obviously love about Dubai, about having everything so conveniently at hand - but remember it is from the exploitation of another - effectively slave labour. No other "small town US or Europe" city would tolerate such behaviour. And don't give me the "they have choice" BS.

The Emiratis are meant to follow islamic traditions, is this exploitation part of islam d'you think, is it what you love about their culture ?

I live in a city flooded with eastern-european immigrants and i myself am born to immigrants but i thank their Allah that it wasn't in Dubai that my forefathers found themselves.

You can help make Dubai a success without having the p*ss taken out of you my friend. I am not the only person who has noted how miserable ordinary working people are in Dubai as soon as you scratch the surface and actually talk to the casual and manual workers, they hate it there. Maybe because we are not white westerners these workers feel more comfortable about expressing their frustrations, because they know we will have followed a similar path in terms of migration, but to a different country.
Ask any of them if they would trade Dubai's bright lights and skyline for a damp miserable flat in London and see what answer you get (i have done as much and have a 100% hit rate for London).

Moscow also ran a very efficient infrastrucutre when it was all state controlled (communist) which is effectively what your beloved timely taxi's etc are - this is what i referred to. There is no competition in Dubai, you just have to know the son or even friend of the right shiekh and you are in like Flynn, promise him your soul and kerr-ching, you're a "business man".

I wonder what the per head consumption of carbon is for Emiratis (and i mean them specifically).

It's not about the RATE, i was referring to the fact that there will always be more crime in concentrated urban areas where communities have established over many generations. Dubai has none of that as families (except for westerners) are not welcome and anyone stepping out of line is deported.

Think about what it is you like so much in Dubai, think about what would happen if your son or daughter had a run in with a connected Emirati (i had someone take my number plate down for taking too long at a petrol pump). Think about the unfortunate and the down at luck, then tell me about what a great city you live in.

The true worth of a culture is the value it places on its poor and unfortunate not how cool the cars are on the highway and the size of their malls.

I'd rather see my children brought up in a slum than learn those values.

Don't take this personally but everyone in Dubai is effectively a prostitute, all there for the money and money alone. Don't kid yourself otherwise. Noone would choose to live there if it wasn't for the promise of it.

p.s. you should get out more often as i seem to know more about your host community than you do

Hi,

I visited PI on Wed this week.
It seems there was a strike earlier in the week over unpaid wages.

From what i could see and what i overheard the site will not be complete for another year however a tower will be handed over (north/beachside) by November and then one tower will be handed over at a time subsequently.

From what i could see i didn't even think initial Nov handover was possible. Workers there said the upper floors were largely finished and they were working there way down and then on the facilities.

I have to say the towers look good (i went in to a block across the marina to have a look). However up close the finish even on the outside is not that great. I hope they will tidy up after themselves.

Also, in the block i visited across the marina i viewed an unoccupied flat with an excellent marina and beach view however it was still empty. I noted how poor the internal finish was, it had all the fittings but the standard of workmanship was that of the indian sub-continent, not what i would accept in the UK. Not easy to correct either as there was so much marble tiling etc.

The noise level from other apartments was shocking, i could hear individual conversations from the hallway. Is this normal in Marina apartments ?

If so, i need to think about ditching now!

I have a few pics but need to figure out how to post them.

You must have a miserable life. Since, assuming otheres to be miserable as well, obviously makes you feel better I will not go into each of your unqualified statements. I only ask you to keep it to yourself and let educated people continue to use this forum peacefully!!!

04/September/2009

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Mods - can we either move or ditch the ill-informed tosh about the rights and wrongs of Dubai?

This is supposed to be a thread about Park Island - if some posters want to parade their ignorance of life in the Middle East can they do it on another thread?

Thanks Imre for picture update. I say Q3/2010.

April 2010 :banana:

Mods - can we either move or ditch the ill-informed tosh about the rights and wrongs of Dubai?

This is supposed to be a thread about Park Island - if some posters want to parade their ignorance of life in the Middle East can they do it on another thread?

Exactly

Funny how you missed almost every single one of my points.

Successful ex-pats ? They're are only two kinds of ex-pats, those here to rob the UAE government on behalf of some foreign corporation and those who couldn't make it anywhere else - i personally know several of this variety.

If you wanted to be truly successful you would compete in the biggest world markets and Dubai is not one of them. Don't you realise how many state subsidies companies are being offered to "appear" to be doing business there ?

Tell me what part of Emirati culture western ex-pats learn, they live in isolated communities receating there own little worlds within a world. You might consider that great fun but a mark of a great city or culture it isn't.

Don't confuse convenience and a low cost of living with greatness.
Think about what that convenience exists, why the bars are crowded with white-skinned prostitutes, why men who should be retired and cared for by the community they have served all their working lives are tending immaculate lawns for a few dollars a day in unbearable heat.
This is what you obviously love about Dubai, about having everything so conveniently at hand - but remember it is from the exploitation of another - effectively slave labour. No other "small town US or Europe" city would tolerate such behaviour. And don't give me the "they have choice" BS.

The Emiratis are meant to follow islamic traditions, is this exploitation part of islam d'you think, is it what you love about their culture ?

I live in a city flooded with eastern-european immigrants and i myself am born to immigrants but i thank their Allah that it wasn't in Dubai that my forefathers found themselves.

You can help make Dubai a success without having the p*ss taken out of you my friend. I am not the only person who has noted how miserable ordinary working people are in Dubai as soon as you scratch the surface and actually talk to the casual and manual workers, they hate it there. Maybe because we are not white westerners these workers feel more comfortable about expressing their frustrations, because they know we will have followed a similar path in terms of migration, but to a different country.
Ask any of them if they would trade Dubai's bright lights and skyline for a damp miserable flat in London and see what answer you get (i have done as much and have a 100% hit rate for London).

Moscow also ran a very efficient infrastrucutre when it was all state controlled (communist) which is effectively what your beloved timely taxi's etc are - this is what i referred to. There is no competition in Dubai, you just have to know the son or even friend of the right shiekh and you are in like Flynn, promise him your soul and kerr-ching, you're a "business man".

I wonder what the per head consumption of carbon is for Emiratis (and i mean them specifically).

It's not about the RATE, i was referring to the fact that there will always be more crime in concentrated urban areas where communities have established over many generations. Dubai has none of that as families (except for westerners) are not welcome and anyone stepping out of line is deported.

Think about what it is you like so much in Dubai, think about what would happen if your son or daughter had a run in with a connected Emirati (i had someone take my number plate down for taking too long at a petrol pump). Think about the unfortunate and the down at luck, then tell me about what a great city you live in.

The true worth of a culture is the value it places on its poor and unfortunate not how cool the cars are on the highway and the size of their malls.

I'd rather see my children brought up in a slum than learn those values.

Don't take this personally but everyone in Dubai is effectively a prostitute, all there for the money and money alone. Don't kid yourself otherwise. Noone would choose to live there if it wasn't for the promise of it.

p.s. you should get out more often as i seem to know more about your host community than you do

WOW! you're a mess!

your comparison is not valid though, how can you compare cities and cultures that are centuries old with one that is barely 4 decades old? you think thats fair? do you know anything about history? do you know what "LONDON" had to go through to be today's london? have you lived in nyc? you're very judgmental, angry, and confused. am an emirati, and yes we are not perfect, but shouldnt you be "the educated one" who "knows more about the host community" non judgemental? shouldnt you be less generalizing? arent you being a hypicrote, cause you either invested in a property to live in? or take advantage of the success that the industry achieved? or you're just one of who you called "come here to rob"?

dude, a late delivery of an apartment cannot get you that angry. unless you go and see a therapist ASAP, i promise you that you will find something to complain about at your next destination. the problem isnt in the cities, its you.

Give it a few more months and things will be ok. Dubai wasn't ready or had no clue of a recession. I have invested in Park Island and in few other places not to rob Dubai or to make massive money. I did it because i think Dubai is a hub to the middle east and to move there cuz the nature of my business is strategically well suited for Dubai and having a place in the Dubai Marina is an investment that can not be compared to old cities...London and NewYork dont really have a Marina per se! I am very optimistic about Dubai and i am willing to wait although its annoying but its also annoying when the financial investments in Europe and US are down too..so singling out Dubai for its drawbacks is not really the way to go. When i speak about Dubai in the west, i can see the excitement in those people..why?

Exactly

I agree please take it to another thread and keep this one for reporting on Park Island please. :)

Thanks Imre for picture update. I say Q3/2010.

Welcome , main structure almost done they are working on the podium-retail area now.

Landscaping not a big issue if they have enough workers,few months should be enough to finish everything, after the Ramadan progress will be faster.

Folks,

I'm not miserable, i've just spent a week on Jumeirah Beach and the tan is all topped up thanks. The only reason i clarified the points i did was because of the utter drivel written earlier about how great Dubai is as a place to live and bring up children - that was the thing that triggered my original response (which was conveniently ignored).

I have also bought an apartment at Park Island in the Marina, not to invest but out of convenience - personal circumstances. I don't however pretend that i am buying in to some idealised lifestyle or ground breaking investment opportunity.

I am also not frustrated at the delays, i paid cash and have nothing else i want to do with the money at the moment so am happy to sit it out.
This is why when told of the year-long delay for final completion, i wasn't really too bothered.

If any of you really are Emirati's, lets hope you work for a fairer and more equitable society for both western migrants and those from all other parts of the world.

London and other great cities were born out of blood money and slavery but that doesn't give muslim brothers the right to do the same, allbeit legally.

When requesting my posts to be deleted please keep in mind i was replying to a particular post - completely irrelevant to Park Island also. All of you didn't seem to froth at the mouth about that one.

If my employer offered me an ex-pat package to spend a year in Dubai i wouldn't turn it down because i would be fully aware of what i was getting in to. I just wouldnt preach to others about how great it is. Just tell it like it is. Thats all i am suggesting.

IRK
Give it a few more months and things will be ok. Dubai wasn't ready or had no clue of a recession. I have invested in Park Island and in few other places not to rob Dubai or to make massive money. I did it because i think Dubai is a hub to the middle east and to move there cuz the nature of my business is strategically well suited for Dubai and having a place in the Dubai Marina is an investment that can not be compared to old cities...London and NewYork dont really have a Marina per se! I am very optimistic about Dubai and i am willing to wait although its annoying but its also annoying when the financial investments in Europe and US are down too..so singling out Dubai for its drawbacks is not really the way to go. When i speak about Dubai in the west, i can see the excitement in those people..why?

After visiting the site on Friday there are signs that real progress is being made at podium level. The entrance to Bonaire and Fairfield looks fantastic, by the looks of it they will share the same reception area with glass floor to ceiling facades at the rear overlooking the infinity pool and marina. There is still a very long way to go, the car park is full of materials...... and the lower floor apartments are no where near finished!

08/September/2009

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08/September/2009

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GoDubaiGo :banana:

Folks,

I'm not miserable, i've just spent a week on Jumeirah Beach and the tan is all topped up thanks. The only reason i clarified the points i did was because of the utter drivel written earlier about how great Dubai is as a place to live and bring up children - that was the thing that triggered my original response (which was conveniently ignored).

I have also bought an apartment at Park Island in the Marina, not to invest but out of convenience - personal circumstances. I don't however pretend that i am buying in to some idealised lifestyle or ground breaking investment opportunity.

I am also not frustrated at the delays, i paid cash and have nothing else i want to do with the money at the moment so am happy to sit it out.
This is why when told of the year-long delay for final completion, i wasn't really too bothered.

If any of you really are Emirati's, lets hope you work for a fairer and more equitable society for both western migrants and those from all other parts of the world.

London and other great cities were born out of blood money and slavery but that doesn't give muslim brothers the right to do the same, allbeit legally.

When requesting my posts to be deleted please keep in mind i was replying to a particular post - completely irrelevant to Park Island also. All of you didn't seem to froth at the mouth about that one.

If my employer offered me an ex-pat package to spend a year in Dubai i wouldn't turn it down because i would be fully aware of what i was getting in to. I just wouldnt preach to others about how great it is. Just tell it like it is. Thats all i am suggesting.

IRK

Mr. IRKed

I in your previous post you said "everyone in Dubai is effectively a prostitute"

You should be ashmaed of yourself "prostituting" arround Jumeria Beach.:ohno:

Thats funny i thought prostitutes got paid for their services.
Or do emiratis pay for tourists to walk on their artificial beaches too?

prostitution - try wikipedia - its great

Mr. IRKed

I in your previous post you said "everyone in Dubai is effectively a prostitute"

You should be ashmaed of yourself "prostituting" arround Jumeria Beach.:ohno:

Hey guys, this thread is about PI... forget about the ordinary shit that happens in Dubai - at least in this forum.

I drove past Park Island last night and to my pleasant surprise I saw people working on site. Admittedly not as many as I would have liked to have seen.

11/September/2009

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Looking great. :banana:! Thank you Imre for great pictures as usual :)

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Everybody ready to move in next month?

:dance:

Everybody ready to move in next month?

:dance:


Sorry I have to post bellow email as I received yesterday. I usually don’t like to broadcast bad news. With best wish for all of us.

Dear Mr.,

Thank you for your email with regards to the completion date of your property at Sanibel.

We would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your continued loyalty to Emaar and would like to assure you of our highest standards of service at all times.

Please be informed that we will be sending out the project update letter to you by end of this month.

In the interim, please feel free to keep in touch with us if you have any queries or if you would like to discuss any matters, please do not hesitate to contact us on the numbers mentioned below.




Kind regards,

Annahita

Annahita Baria
Executive - Property Handover

Emaar Dubai
PO Box 9440
Dubai
United Arab Emirates
Tel +971.4.3661688
Toll free 800 EMAAR (36227)
Fax +971.4.3673719
phd@emaar.ae
www.emaar.com

Everybody ready to move in next month?


why would I want to live on a building site for 6 months? :ohno:

Dears,
Today morning I spoke with Anahita Baria in Emaar. She told me, after Eid Ramadan, construction management will have meeting and they will decide to send new handover date of Park Island.

Park Island owners, please send an email to Anahita Baria and force Emaar to deliver this project as soon as possible. Emaar have to know, we are not satisfy with more delays.

Annahita Baria
Executive - Property Handover

Emaar Dubai
PO Box 9440
Dubai
United Arab Emirates
Tel +971.4.3661688
Toll free 800 EMAAR (36227)
Fax +971.4.3673719
ABaria@emaar.ae
www.emaar.com

Take my word for it, PI will not be handed over until at least March 2010. This is not me guessing, this is a fact from the inside! A VERY good source from the inside! You deserve to know.

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Great Pics Omar.... Thanks...

keep them coming...

thanks for the pics Omar..and by the looks of it..end of Q1 / beginning of Q2 is going to be the handover (realistic) date.

Hello everyone,

This is an amazing thread............

I have a two bed at sanibel and cant wait for it to be ready.

I was just wondering if anyone had info on the following:

1) Do the two beds come with a single parking spot or two spots? I couldnt find the info in the SPA.

2) I drove past the site today. Has anyone noticed that they are doing a lot of digging works on the marina road right outside PA. Anyone knows what this is for, the tram line maybe ????????

Thanks,

SM

I think road digging up is the Al Souffah tram system. Good if it is but great planning to put his in at this stage and dig up the entire marina roads to do so.

Hi Omar, Many thanks fo the great pics, it helps explain alot more about the project.:)

I think road digging up is the Al Souffah tram system. Good if it is but great planning to put his in at this stage and dig up the entire marina roads to do so.

The digging is the tram....although it might not be good planning it is for a good reason, tram network to the metro will be another great transport connection that Dubai is working on..

The digging is the tram....although it might not be good planning it is for a good reason, tram network to the metro will be another great transport connection that Dubai is working on..

I agree..it's inconvenient now but the Tram is definitely a big plus. I've heard there's a direct stop right in front of Park Island, so the tram will do nothing but increase property value..which is always a great thing :)

^^^^

The Tram will not be coming past PI - the nearest stop will be at Bay Central and the Tram will then cross the bridge by Pier 8


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The Tram will not be coming past PI - the nearest stop will be at Bay Central and the Tram will then cross the bridge by Pier 8


correct, tram works in that bridge , Pier 8, Shahla Tower,Marina View Towers etc..

Hi all,

I managed to go inside Park Island (Sanibel) on Friday last week. There were NO security guys around. I went up to the 8th floor, most of the units are closed with some tags on the door (minor snags still pending). The halls are all covered with carton meaning that the work is finished and they're just trying to protect it from the dust.

Some of the units were open, the toilets are totally done, fridge and washing machines are already in place. From the quality point of view, Bathrooms's looks quite good, Kitchens's looks standard.

The 1st floor is a total mess, is not done at all, i guess that most of the guys working on the project are actually resting in those apartments and this is the reason behind their status.

The lobby area is 80% complete, pretty much in line with the pictures shown by Omar on a previous post.

Unfortunately I didn't bring any camera with me during the visit but I was quite happy with the progress. Hopefully all the apartments on the way up are on the same status and only the first floors are missing.

As per what I saw, I think they'll be able to finish by March 2010. Today I saw a lot of people working over there and this gives me the impression that they really want to finish it ASAP : )

The photos I posted recently were of Bonaire, a few doors were locked as per Sanibel however most units in Bonaire still have a lot of work to do as do the corridors etc.

All of the villas were also locked presumably they are finished awaiting snagging.

I will visit again in a month and see the progress.

Take my word for it, PI will not be handed over until at least March 2010. This is not me guessing, this is a fact from the inside! A VERY good source from the inside! You deserve to know.

I have heard the same - April 2010. Though I am sure the letter we receive next week will state January...

I have heard the same - April 2010. Though I am sure the letter we receive next week will state January...

I would just like to point out how suspicious messages like this are...They are almost certainly written by aspirational real estate agents/buyers who are hoping to somehow manipulate the market.

Both users (P_I and Dubai_) have only ever posted 1 message on this forum (in the space of 2 days) stating that the project will be so hugely delayed, and quoting one-another...same person much!!!

I would just like to point out how suspicious messages like this are...They are almost certainly written by aspirational real estate agents/buyers who are hoping to somehow manipulate the market.

Both users (P_I and Dubai_) have only ever posted 1 message on this forum (in the space of 2 days) stating that the project will be so hugely delayed, and quoting one-another...same person much!!!

Hi shinobi,

Im not a realestate agents but I think that April delivery estimate or beyond is not far fetched just by looking at the site's progress and the number of times Emaar finds it easy to delay. I agree that in the past ill intentioned agents has posted some silly offers for sale that were way below norms and we have to be aware of them. Not sure if the post you point to apply, but who knows. :)

Hi shinobi,

Im not a realestate agents but I think that April delivery estimate or beyond is not far fetched just by looking at the site's progress and the number of times Emaar finds it easy to delay. I agree that in the past ill intentioned agents has posted some silly offers for sale that were way below norms and we have to be aware of them. Not sure if the post you point to apply, but who knows. :)

Hi, I am not an agent but a disgruntled owner in fairfield. It would be great if we could move in ASAP but when you look at the site, some time in 2010 is more realistic. Even Emaar themselves tell you that the DEWA has not yet been commissioned and that is going to take time. The sooner we get our apartments the better!

Just spoken to Emaar and we have some good news... Handover has now been scheduled for end of November 2009! I hope so.

Just spoken to Emaar and we have some good news... Handover has now been scheduled for end of November 2009! I hope so.

This would be great but unfortunately its very unlikely..

This would be great but unfortunately its very unlikely..

let's hope they will be able to handover for beginning of January

Are we in for a great miracle or what.? The delay progression in the one month increments instead of three.? At least this is good news.

If this is true, Soft drinks are on me to everyone in the forum of course excluding the miserable ;)

Imre, Apple Mac and Omar you each get a box of softdrink on me for being instrumenal in keeping us informed,,, (Thank you) :cheers:

It is not unrealistic, the Quays will also be handed over by November 30th and if you talk to the right people at Emaar you can hear how desperate they want to hand over, if you believe it or not. I met the the Emaar guy who is responsible for the Marina and he said very clearly that there will be not further delay on PI and the Quays... however not all amenities will be ready and there will be some landscape work etc outside but that will not keep you out of the appartment.

Living on a job site is normal in Dubai.

Guys, christmas you can celebrate in your PI appartment...

Hi,

I just called EMAAR and they told me exactly the same thing, NO FURTHER DELAYS, Handover on Nov 30th : )

Are we in for a great miracle or what.? The delay progression in the one month increments instead of three.? At least this is good news.

If this is true, Soft drinks are on me to everyone in the forum of course excluding the miserable ;)

Imre, Apple Mac and Omar you each get a box of softdrink on me for being instrumenal in keeping us informed,,, (Thank you) :cheers:

thanks !

its possible , if they send 1000 workers for the DCE:)

thanks !

its possible , if they send 1000 workers for the DCE:)

Nice one LoooooL http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/21.gif

Has anybody counted what sum of money is necessary to brind to Dubai for handover? I mean all kinds of fees (registration, maintenance, etc) and other pmnts?

Hi,

I just called EMAAR and they told me exactly the same thing, NO FURTHER DELAYS, Handover on Nov 30th : )

This must be a joke. They require atleast 2-3 months to handover after SNAGGING. Once you receive the snagging request, then you can start packing.

Until then just chill. :cheers:

Hi Guys,

Just got a letter from Emaar confirmation handover date for Nov 30th, 2009. The delay according to them and I quote :

"Kindly be advised, that due to further delay in the connection of utilities by the utility provider it has become necessary to reschedule the handover of your home to Nov 20th, 2009."

Also they have sent info re home orientation and handover and say that someone will contact us to schedule an appointment.

So we are moving in the right direction, lets see how things go. I have a feeling that they will handover the units and keep working on the common areas by the end of the year.

Lets keep our fingers crossed.............

SM

sorry...............there was a small typo in my previous comment. Letter states Nov 30th and not Nov 20th.

SM

sorry...............there was a small typo in my previous comment. Letter states Nov 30th and not Nov 20th.

SM

Hi Smalkani

Thanks for the information, good news. :)
by the way you can edit your post to change typos.

Hey All,

Found this topic while browsing about PI and am actually fascinated by the discussion and have gotten a lot of info from here (as well as pictures) so thanks for that! It's helped alot.

I am looking to purchase property to live in as soon as possible (ive been living in Dubai over a year), and right now, this seems the most fascinating and the one that makes the most sense for my pocket... but I worry with all the delays. I dont know how it works here in Dubai as per new properties, but let's say Emarr hits November 30th... what then? When is a realistic "moving in" date/timeframe? There are plenty of properties in dubai marina I can move in to within a few weeks, but this one (so far) appears to top any that I have seen.

Obviously no one knows a definite answer regarding anything... but what is the time frame usually like after handover?

Thanks!

That's easy... Hand over means hand over and you get your keys to move in on the given date. You simply need to arrange DEWA (water and electricity etc)

The orientation tour would be around 4-6 weeks (in PI case somewhere in October) prior to hand over where you can check your appartment and complain about broken tiles etc. By the given hand over date those issues should be solved.

Hi Guys,

Just got a letter from Emaar confirmation handover date for Nov 30th, 2009. The delay according to them and I quote :

"Kindly be advised, that due to further delay in the connection of utilities by the utility provider it has become necessary to reschedule the handover of your home to Nov 20th, 2009."


Oh so its now Dewa's fault? :lol:

Last time it was because the 'landscaping' was not finished - wonder what their excuse will be in 4 weeks time? - too much to ask that they simply admit the building is not finished.

Having been away for the past week I walked past the site today to see the 'progress' - anyone who thinks that this site will be completed this year is simply deluding themselves.

I must agree with AppleMac. I drove past Park Island today and I have serious doubts about handover in November. If only Emaar could be transparent and truthful about actual handover instead of stringing everyone along.

The real fear is that they rush it through to meet an artifical deadline but at the expense of real quality. At the end of the day, I'd rather wait an extra month or two if it means we will avoid the upheaval of workmen trying to fix mistakes at a time when the development is occupied.

^^

I agree - my worry is that they rush and we end up with crap finishing that they then willnot/cannot afford to correct.

We have waited long enough - a few more months will not make much difference.

who knows when will we be informed about maintenance and other fees?

who knows when will we be informed about maintenance and other fees?

Exactly! :)

I would just like to point out how suspicious messages like this are...They are almost certainly written by aspirational real estate agents/buyers who are hoping to somehow manipulate the market.

Both users (P_I and Dubai_) have only ever posted 1 message on this forum (in the space of 2 days) stating that the project will be so hugely delayed, and quoting one-another...same person much!!!
Hi shinobi888,

i am in the Real Estate business (and i own several units in PI) and i think that PI will be delivered early 2010! Regarding what you said about agents trying to manipulate the market, i don’t the market (especially PI ) could get any worse do you? i personally have over 15 properties listed in PI and most at OP. Sold a 2 bed @ 1.2 last week.. OUCH! “Thingssss can only get better, can only get better!!!”
Nevertheless i do believe PI is a now a great investment and my company will carry or promoting them as one of the best developments in Dubai Marina.. Not all brokers in Dubai are as you describe although brokers DO CONTROL THE MARKET and can easily affect the prices in a development.

Good luck!

:)Hi shinobi888,

i am in the Real Estate business (and i own several units in PI) and i think that PI will be delivered early 2010! Regarding what you said about agents trying to manipulate the market, i don’t the market (especially PI ) could get any worse do you? i personally have over 15 properties listed in PI and most at OP. Sold a 2 bed @ 1.2 last week.. OUCH! “Thingssss can only get better, can only get better!!!”
Nevertheless i do believe PI is a now a great investment and my company will carry or promoting them as one of the best developments in Dubai Marina.. Not all brokers in Dubai are as you describe although brokers DO CONTROL THE MARKET and can easily affect the prices in a development.

Good luck!

HI AreaDubai

Couldn't help but ask you a cheeky question :).

You own several units in PI and because you are a real estate agent you have 15 units listed in PI at OP. If five buyers come to you and offer to buy five of the listed units from you, at say, 10% or 20% below the OP.

Would you try to sell the idea to the owners and try to reach "halfway" between buyer and seller, of course for the potential "mucho" commission,

or

would you refuse the offer, fearing the affect on the market value of the "several PI properties" that you own .

I wonder what owners in the forum think your answer would be.? It might help us get to know you better:) .

Hi shinobi888,

i am in the Real Estate business (and i own several units in PI) and i think that PI will be delivered early 2010! Regarding what you said about agents trying to manipulate the market, i don’t the market (especially PI ) could get any worse do you? i personally have over 15 properties listed in PI and most at OP. Sold a 2 bed @ 1.2 last week.. OUCH! “Thingssss can only get better, can only get better!!!”
Nevertheless i do believe PI is a now a great investment and my company will carry or promoting them as one of the best developments in Dubai Marina.. Not all brokers in Dubai are as you describe although brokers DO CONTROL THE MARKET and can easily affect the prices in a development.

Good luck!

I am a buyer at AED 1.2-1.4 million for a 2 bed and have been looking for the past 6 months and nothing. Please advise details of the units you have and if the sellers are direct as I have just returned from Dubai and am not too happy with the estate agents as I went for 3 transfers and only one materialized that too I had to leave someone there with my power of attorney for the transfer.

Please advise details of units that you have in your hand and I will send the security deposit within the same day.

I am a buyer at AED 1.2-1.4 million for a 2 bed and have been looking for the past 6 months and nothing. Please advise details of the units you have and if the sellers are direct as I have just returned from Dubai and am not too happy with the estate agents as I went for 3 transfers and only one materialized that too I had to leave someone there with my power of attorney for the transfer.

Please advise details of units that you have in your hand and I will send the security deposit within the same day.

me too.

I paid a secret visit to PI a couple of days ago while security was sleeping. Admittedly, I only got as far as the first floor on Sanibel, but I can say that place will not even be near completed by the end of November. EMAAR has there head so far up there ass they cannot see the light of day! Delivery will be January 2010 if your lucky.

I am a buyer at AED 1.2-1.4 million for a 2 bed and have been looking for the past 6 months and nothing. Please advise details of the units you have and if the sellers are direct as I have just returned from Dubai and am not too happy with the estate agents as I went for 3 transfers and only one materialized that too I had to leave someone there with my power of attorney for the transfer.

Please advise details of units that you have in your hand and I will send the security deposit within the same day.

Let us know how things go with an almost "Guaranteed buy from AreaDubai" of course based on his last post.!:)

Hi shinobi888,

i am in the Real Estate business (and i own several units in PI) and i think that PI will be delivered early 2010! Regarding what you said about agents trying to manipulate the market, i don’t the market (especially PI ) could get any worse do you? i personally have over 15 properties listed in PI and most at OP. Sold a 2 bed @ 1.2 last week.. OUCH! “Thingssss can only get better, can only get better!!!”
Nevertheless i do believe PI is a now a great investment and my company will carry or promoting them as one of the best developments in Dubai Marina.. Not all brokers in Dubai are as you describe although brokers DO CONTROL THE MARKET and can easily affect the prices in a development.

Good luck!

I’m also interest to buy 2 bedrooms in PI. But I didn’t find less than 1.6 millions. If you have 1.2 to 1.4, please send private message. But I think, you are trying to reduce market price for yourself. :cheers:

:)

HI AreaDubai

Couldn't help but ask you a cheeky question :).

You own several units in PI and because you are a real estate agent you have 15 units listed in PI at OP. If five buyers come to you and offer to buy five of the listed units from you, at say, 10% or 20% below the OP.

Would you try to sell the idea to the owners and try to reach "halfway" between buyer and seller, of course for the potential "mucho" commission,

or

would you refuse the offer, fearing the affect on the market value of the "several PI properties" that you own .

I wonder what owners in the forum think your answer would be.? It might help us get to know you better:) .
Bavarian,

As you are keen to learn more about me, i am not a broker, i own and manage a real estate company with a team of brokers. I have been in the real estate business in Dubai for almost 10 years and have previously worked for one very large developer that you have all be aquatinted with...

Minus premium is not the asking price, Original Price is the asking price so i would advise my investors to hold onto them, as i have already with SEVERAL members of this forum who are in direct contact with me! Minus OP would be a seriously desperate sale and i would consider picking another one up at this price. My PI's have all been purchased within the last 6 months.

Although i have seen a few selling at minus OP but mainly 2 beds..

So the answer to your question is no i would not sell or advise to sell as this is below the asking price and below the value of the property.

Now let’s here all about you Bavarian, what’s your story?

I am a buyer at AED 1.2-1.4 million for a 2 bed and have been looking for the past 6 months and nothing. Please advise details of the units you have and if the sellers are direct as I have just returned from Dubai and am not too happy with the estate agents as I went for 3 transfers and only one materialized that too I had to leave someone there with my power of attorney for the transfer.

Please advise details of units that you have in your hand and I will send the security deposit within the same day.

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What about absence phrase in the letter from EMAAR :

"The final installment of the purchase price will also be deferred to the rescheduled handover date."

Then I must pay final installment to 30 october or can delay payment to 30 november ?

What about absence phrase in the letter from EMAAR :

"The final installment of the purchase price will also be deferred to the rescheduled handover date."

Then I must pay final installment to 30 october or can delay payment to 30 november ?

30 november

Kindly send me your contact details.

Hi Areadubai,
It seems that you feel the "puls of the prices".
I have a 3 bed villa in Park Island - on around 3400sqm. Do you have any feeling for the prielevel on that kind of unit?

Best regards, Freoli

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Its not advertising. Its providing useful information to the forum members who are all here to help each other out. If you have access to people selling 2 beds in between AED 1.2-1.4 million, me and some other members would be interested to buy and as you say they are readily available there should be no problem in pointing us in the right direction....

Its not advertising. Its providing useful information to the forum members who are all here to help each other out. If you have access to people selling 2 beds in between AED 1.2-1.4 million, me and some other members would be interested to buy and as you say they are readily available there should be no problem in pointing us in the right direction....
i totally agree with you Daywlker, however the admins and some other members on this site do not. They will see this as advertising and will action it (talking out of experience) i have sent you a PM.

thanks

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Here's my story,,,,, I can buy the statements you ahave been trying to sell in this forum,,when the people in this forum who already matched your offer price close the deal with you. FAIR.?. We await your update.:cheers:

Here's my story,,,,, I can buy the statements you ahave been trying to sell in this forum,,when the people in this forum who already matched your offer price close the deal with you. FAIR.?. We await your update.:cheers:
PM already sent 2u regarding this subject.

Have a great day!

Delivery will be January 2010 if your lucky.

agreed - what is noticeable about the builders (DCE) is that unlike the sites over the road (TGR & Skyview) they never have anyone working evenings and weekends and no matter what time of the day you go past there are always more guys sitting around than actually working.

Another issue is that although most apartments have had some fitting out, this was done some while ago and since then some apartments, especially on the lower floors, have been used for storage and workshops - this is bound to have caused a lot of damage to the fitments that were in place and will take time to repair.

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Still waiting for your PM Daydreamer.

Its not advertising. Its providing useful information to the forum members who are all here to help each other out. If you have access to people selling 2 beds in between AED 1.2-1.4 million, me and some other members would be interested to buy and as you say they are readily available there should be no problem in pointing us in the right direction....

Still waiting for your PM Daydreamer.

You were waiting for my PM... why did u give me your number then... I called your number and no one picked up... Now what else are you waiting for???

Were you taking a nap during the day???

Also have sent you a PM... now please provide details....

Were you taking a nap during the day???
I sense a little sarcasm in your words. That’s ok. I average around 200 calls per day and try to return any missed calls and did today except 2 landline numbers.. i assume one of those numbers belonged to you...Maybe you would like try again tomorrow or PM me your contact number. If you call from an office landline and i miss the call sometimes it can be impossible to track the person who made the call so it’s best to call from a mobile.
On the bright side in between my nap today a member of this forum did call me and we will sign the MOU tomorrow. 1 down 2 to go daydreamer, don’t miss out! ;)

I sense a little sarcasm in your words. That’s ok. I average around 200 calls per day and try to return any missed calls and did today except 2 landline numbers.. i assume one of those numbers belonged to you...Maybe you would like try again tomorrow or PM me your contact number. If you call from an office landline and i miss the call sometimes it can be impossible to track the person who made the call so it’s best to call from a mobile.
On the bright side in between my nap today a member of this forum did call me and we will sign the MOU tomorrow. 1 down 2 to go daydreamer, don’t miss out! ;)

All I can say to that is that could have been 2 for you but you seem happy as is... in the meantime I have also given the security cheque yesterday for another unit but will only be sure once the MOU is signed by the seller.... Still awaiting details of units available with you....

'Areadubai' and 'daywalker'....you are not adding any value to this forum in recent posts.

PM each other, not interested.

I need to plan my trip to Dubai for handover, though not sure when is it best to do so. Can I do the inspection and handover process after NOvember 30th (end December) if last installment is paid on the due date? is it possible to do everything (including DEWA's and land registration) in a week's time?

Thanks a lot in advance!

The issue will be in case you have any damages it will not be fixed within a week after the snagging.

Hi,

Does anyone have any experience dealing with Emaar re orientation, snagging and handover? Just wondering what the exact process is and how difficult/easy do they make it ?

SM

Let me take a guess.....I would say that it would be just as unprofessional and rediculous as every other company in dubai. I would also say a total lack of disreguard for the consumer and a downright pain in the ass to deal with.:bash:

Ha, nearly correct, but Emaar is still the best among the worst developers in UAE.

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Hi

Does anyone know what the service charges are likely to be?

Thanks

Based on other Emaar developments, around 20 Dhs a square foot.

Can anyone say :
Last date for maintenance fee ?
Or I must pay at any day before handover ?

Anyone got a call from Emaar for the orientations. ? :lol:

This might answer some questions:

Dear *****

Thank you for your email dated 06-Oct-2009.

Please note that once your apartment is certified ready for the Customer Home Orientation, you will be contacted by our team to visit the property. The Orientation checklist with your comments of your property will be forwarded to our Property Quality Assurance.

After the major defects(if any) are rectified and your property ready for beneficial occupancy, you will receive a handover notification from us which gives 10 days from date of sending to make final payments and service fees payments. [The service fees are not yet determined]

The handover date for the project is on 30-November-2009. We will keep you well informed of the handover process starting with the first communication for your Home Orientation.

Further please note that your query on pre-registration has been forwarded to our Property Transfer Department who will revert back to you at the earliest.

Should you require any additional assistance or information, please feel free to contact us on our contact numbers +971 4 3661688 or toll free 800 Emaar (36227

Well good news is.. there are more workers on site :banana:



Bad news is.... well you can see for yourself.....:gaah:

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Haha, that is normal... they can sleep everywhere and any time...

Well, looking at it positively, they seem relaxed on a quite day off , hopfully better for workmanship :)
and,
Staying "Home" with no time waisted in traffic.:)

We shall find-out :nuts:

Thanks AppleMac for the update.

Well, looking at it positively, they seem relaxed on a quite day off , hopfully better for workmanship :)


Well it is not a day off, they are supposed to be beavering away to meet the handover deadline of 30th Nov :lol:


and trust me, they shift fast enough when the bus leaves at night :rant:

Where the h.. did you get the ranting guy? , his ranting is endless, i must have waisted about 3 minutes starring at it :) . I couldn't copy it to use it in a mail i was composing.

Where the h.. did you get the ranting guy? , his ranting is endless, i must have waisted about 3 minutes starring at it :) . I couldn't copy it to use it in a mail i was composing.

Never mind i found it in this site, i didn't see it B4.:)

Thanks

Hello all,

I just got a call from EMAAR to schedule the Orientation tour this week : )

I'm really surprised : )

EnriqueDubai,,,,,,,,,, Congratulations ,, Good for you. Just letus know the quality of work when you see it and take some pictures.:banana:

Good afternoon
would someone like to have a guess and let me know what they think a 1 bed high floor in sanibel 1052 would be worth

EnriqueDubai.......Great News - Congratulations - Which Building and floor is your apartment??

We can all start to expect the long awaited calls to book an apointment - :)

Good afternoon
would someone like to have a guess and let me know what they think a 1 bed high floor in sanibel 1052 would be worth


I believe you can get something between 1.25-1.3M for it these days

EnriqueDubai,,,,,,,,,, great news, and I am happy for you, and the rest start receiving the invitation from Emaar.

Hi, My unit is on Sanibel building-6th floor

Hallo neighbors! Congratulations with near handover! I would like to ask one of you, who is in Dubai now, to make some photos during your visit to PI of common areas, lobbies, furniture and to check is there an illuminated or painted sign of PI. I am worry reading posts of MQ because of very poor quality.
Thanks a lot,
Yulia

As of yesterday there was certainly no illuminated or painted sign of PI - in fact they were dismantling the security hut that they had almost finished. :ohno:

haha, that is normal here in that funny city, firstly it takes too long to complete, and after completion they rip it off again beacuse they forgot some cables or water supply...

unfortunately they do this not only with buildings they do it with roads etc. look at the Marina Drive at Le Reve... a total mess again. You spend milions for an app. in Le Reve and your neighbourhood is a complete job site since the beginning with no end in sight. All fountains in the middle are gone now...

Good afternoon
would someone like to have a guess and let me know what they think a 1 bed high floor in sanibel 1052 would be worth
PM sent regaridng this.. FYI. i did 2 transfers for Park Island yesterday and aswell as the Aed.5000 admin Fee for Emaar you also have to pay - 1% of the OP to DLD, 2% of the SP to DLD and Aed.1000 to DLD. If you are a finance buy you also have to pay another Aed.1000 to DLD AND .25% of the finance amount to DLD :( These rules were actioned yesterday!! I guess it was expected as Nakheel have had these fees for over 1 month now..

PS. Daywalker, MAKBOOK ON YOUR PURCHASE!!

what is it DLD AND SP?

DLD - Dubai Land Department
SP - Secondary Price (secondary market)

haha, that is normal here in that funny city, firstly it takes too long to complete, and after completion they rip it off again beacuse they forgot some cables or water supply...

unfortunately they do this not only with buildings they do it with roads etc. look at the Marina Drive at Le Reve... a total mess again. You spend milions for an app. in Le Reve and your neighbourhood is a complete job site since the beginning with no end in sight. All fountains in the middle are gone now...

I don't thik they forogt anything in that road. It's work for the tram, I guess.

Why do you have to pay to the Land Department besides the 1% off the OP another 2% off the selling price?

Why do you have to pay to the Land Department besides the 1% off the OP another 2% off the selling price?
Simply because they say so.

OP = Original Price
SP = Selling Price
DLD = Dubai Land Dept

Hello all,

I just got a call from EMAAR to schedule the Orientation tour this week : )

I'm really surprised : )

That is great news, any chance you can post some pics to give us an idea of finishes etc?

PM sent regaridng this.. FYI. i did 2 transfers for Park Island yesterday and aswell as the Aed.5000 admin Fee for Emaar you also have to pay - 1% of the OP to DLD, 2% of the SP to DLD and Aed.1000 to DLD. If you are a finance buy you also have to pay another Aed.1000 to DLD AND .25% of the finance amount to DLD :( These rules were actioned yesterday!! I guess it was expected as Nakheel have had these fees for over 1 month now..

PS. Daywalker, MAKBOOK ON YOUR PURCHASE!!

Thanks... It was great dealing with you and I must say my lost confidence in the real estate agents in Dubai is coming back...

PM sent regaridng this.. FYI. i did 2 transfers for Park Island yesterday and aswell as the Aed.5000 admin Fee for Emaar you also have to pay - 1% of the OP to DLD, 2% of the SP to DLD and Aed.1000 to DLD. If you are a finance buy you also have to pay another Aed.1000 to DLD AND .25% of the finance amount to DLD :( These rules were actioned yesterday!! I guess it was expected as Nakheel have had these fees for over 1 month now..

PS. Daywalker, MAKBOOK ON YOUR PURCHASE!!

Whats MAKBOOK.? Some kind of a computer.?:)

Hi all,

I went yesterday to the Orientation tour in Sanibel. In general I should say that I'm very happy with the whole project. I think facilities will not be ready by end of Nov, but a lot of people is currently working on them.

Squash courts are being painted at the moment
Swimming pool is almost ready, small one, but with nice view of the Marina
The gym has a nice marina view, same as the multipurpose area.

My apartment had some snags, the kitchen finishing I would rate it medium, not the same quality as the ones in Al Majara or Promenade, anyway, as a whole the kitchen looks quite nice.

Toilets are very nice, I like them, nothing bad to say about them

My apartment was clean and ready, after waiting for so long believe me, it's a dream come true, I'm sure you guys will be happy after seeing your units.

The lobby area is nice, some furniture is there already, brown and beige colour furniture.

There's a kid's playing area in the middle of the buildings, once all the plants and trees are in place I think this will look fantastic and will give some GREEN flavour to the whole residential area.

The view of the swimming pool from the area located in the middle between Bonaire and Fairfield is fantastic, this will be a nice area within the project.

In general I'm happy, pictures will follow

Whats MAKBOOK.? Some kind of a computer.?:)

He meant Mabrook (congrats) :)

Hi all,

I went yesterday to the Orientation tour in Sanibel. In general I should say that I'm very happy with the whole project. I think facilities will not be ready by end of Nov, but a lot of people is currently working on them.

Squash courts are being painted at the moment
Swimming pool is almost ready, small one, but with nice view of the Marina
The gym has a nice marina view, same as the multipurpose area.

My apartment had some snags, the kitchen finishing I would rate it medium, not the same quality as the ones in Al Majara or Promenade, anyway, as a whole the kitchen looks quite nice.

Toilets are very nice, I like them, nothing bad to say about them

My apartment was clean and ready, after waiting for so long believe me, it's a dream come true, I'm sure you guys will be happy after seeing your units.

The lobby area is nice, some furniture is there already, brown and beige colour furniture.

There's a kid's playing area in the middle of the buildings, once all the plants and trees are in place I think this will look fantastic and will give some GREEN flavour to the whole residential area.

The view of the swimming pool from the area located in the middle between Bonaire and Fairfield is fantastic, this will be a nice area within the project.

In general I'm happy, pictures will follow

Thats great news... Can't wait to see the inside pictures. I was in Dubai on the 18th and have some nice pictures from the outside but nothing of the interior. How do i post pictures??

Thats great news... Can't wait to see the inside pictures. I was in Dubai on the 18th and have some nice pictures from the outside but nothing of the interior. How do i post pictures??

go to http://tinypic.com/ and upload pictures...then copy the IMG code and paste it in the thread

Thanks paki...

I have attached a few pictures not the ones everyone is waiting for of the interior but just wanted to contribute... These were taken on the 17th of October


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PLS, show us internal fotos ASAP!!!

I am trying not to be a pessimist, but it's hard not to be living in Dubai, however I'm takin' a guess that the Service Fee is going to be more than the 20AED/square foot that is floating around at the moment. I'm saying that it is going to be more than 23AED because of Marina Promenade but less than 30AED. I'm bettin' on 26AED/square foot! Any takers? Do I see higher or lower? I think we will all be in for a shock considering they haven't told us yet........

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Nice fotos! Thanks! Looks better than MQ, but not so great as MP.

Thank you very much Enrique for taking the time and effort in taking such great photo. I wish you an enjoyable stay at your lovely home :)

Congratulations! Once it is completed it will turn out nice.

yes, better than MQ, but especially the bathrooms are not the same as they were presented in the showroom at Emaar business park at that time. Emaar has downgraded their standards definitely compared to their the latest developments MP and in Downtown.

Pool looks a bit small for four towers...

Hi all,

I went yesterday to the Orientation tour in Sanibel. In general I should say that I'm very happy with the whole project. I think facilities will not be ready by end of Nov, but a lot of people is currently working on them.

Squash courts are being painted at the moment
Swimming pool is almost ready, small one, but with nice view of the Marina
The gym has a nice marina view, same as the multipurpose area.

My apartment had some snags, the kitchen finishing I would rate it medium, not the same quality as the ones in Al Majara or Promenade, anyway, as a whole the kitchen looks quite nice.

Toilets are very nice, I like them, nothing bad to say about them

My apartment was clean and ready, after waiting for so long believe me, it's a dream come true, I'm sure you guys will be happy after seeing your units.

The lobby area is nice, some furniture is there already, brown and beige colour furniture.

There's a kid's playing area in the middle of the buildings, once all the plants and trees are in place I think this will look fantastic and will give some GREEN flavour to the whole residential area.

The view of the swimming pool from the area located in the middle between Bonaire and Fairfield is fantastic, this will be a nice area within the project.

In general I'm happy, pictures will follow

Thanks Enrique... I must say the pictures you posted and descriptions are great.... The development looks amazing.. can't wait to see my units....

PM sent regaridng this.. FYI. i did 2 transfers for Park Island yesterday and aswell as the Aed.5000 admin Fee for Emaar you also have to pay - 1% of the OP to DLD, 2% of the SP to DLD and Aed.1000 to DLD. If you are a finance buy you also have to pay another Aed.1000 to DLD AND .25% of the finance amount to DLD :( These rules were actioned yesterday!! I guess it was expected as Nakheel have had these fees for over 1 month now..

PS. Daywalker, MAKBOOK ON YOUR PURCHASE!!

Areadubai, regarding those new fees for DLD did anyone actually paid that or you just got the information that is the new charge?

Also do you know is it applicable for people who bought their apartments couple of years ago and they are just waiting for hand (like Park Island) or only for the transactions after the rule was introduced (month ago or so)?

At some point before there was a change of charges from DLD as well but it was applicable only for transfers/transactions made after the rule was introduced so I believe it should be the same this time.

Thanks

hi guys...do you think they will really start handover in december?

Why not...? It is normal with Emaar that some of the amenitites are not ready (i.e. pool, shops, landscape etc.). They need the money desperately.

Hi Guys,

I had my orientation/snagging tour today.

I was lil suprised at the size of the bedrooms (maybe I just imagined they would be a lil bigger, infact the second bedroom is a lot bigger than the master bedroom). Having said that overall I was happy with my appt, but I could see signs where things were rushed, especially with the finishes. Grouting work in particular needs cleaning and touch ups everywhere, especially the bathrooms. Lot of cleaning and polishing work is left. Work in the balcony is pending as well.

Hopefully they will take care of all the issues before the final handover.

Also it seems that the small movie hall they were supposed to have in the commom areas has been cancelled, also I remember that there was supposed to be marble in the entrance (what they refer to as the foyer area) to each appartment, but this is not there (maybe I am mistaken, does anyone else remember or know about this?)

The area between the buildings will be nice once the trees are put in and the fountains are working. They are going to do the snagging of sanibel and blakely first and then the two other buildings in the middle, they should start by the second week of next month. Handover is scheduled for end of nov, but common area works are going to go on after that. The entrance to the buildings is nice as well, but again lot of cleaning, polishing and touch ups are balance.

I just hope they are not going to sacrifice on the quality in a rush to meet their deadline to handover the prop and is going to be at the same level as MP.

SM

Hi Guys,

I had my orientation/snagging tour today.

I was lil suprised at the size of the bedrooms (maybe I just imagined they would be a lil bigger, infact the second bedroom is a lot bigger than the master bedroom). Having said that overall I was happy with my appt, but I could see signs where things were rushed, especially with the finishes. Grouting work in particular needs cleaning and touch ups everywhere, especially the bathrooms. Lot of cleaning and polishing work is left. Work in the balcony is pending as well.

Hopefully they will take care of all the issues before the final handover.

Also it seems that the small movie hall they were supposed to have in the commom areas has been cancelled, also I remember that there was supposed to be marble in the entrance (what they refer to as the foyer area) to each appartment, but this is not there (maybe I am mistaken, does anyone else remember or know about this?)

The area between the buildings will be nice once the trees are put in and the fountains are working. They are going to do the snagging of sanibel and blakely first and then the two other buildings in the middle, they should start by the second week of next month. Handover is scheduled for end of nov, but common area works are going to go on after that. The entrance to the buildings is nice as well, but again lot of cleaning, polishing and touch ups are balance.

I just hope they are not going to sacrifice on the quality in a rush to meet their deadline to handover the prop and is going to be at the same level as MP.

SM

Hi Smalkani

Nice detailed update, much appreciated and Congratulations on your home:).

I wanted to ask if you know, if the colors of the wood (kitchin and closets) is going to be dark woord for all units or will some buildings have light color wood.?

Regards

Hi Smalkani

I wanted to ask if you know, if the colors of the wood (kitchin and closets) is going to be dark woord for all units or will some buildings have light color wood.?

Yes some do have lighter wood (ours does) - the choice was made at original sale of the unit.

Hi Applemac

Actually i was told by the sales rep that the colors are pre-specified per building, i'm not sure if this has changed since then.

Hi Applemac

Actually i was told by the sales rep that the colors are pre-specified per building, i'm not sure if this has changed since then.

In your original sales contract it specifies what color the kitchen cupboards/closets are going to be - most opted for the dark wood but a few went for the light.

At the end of our contract there is a form specifying whether we want Scheme 1 dark cabinetry or Scheme 2 Light cabinetry

O.K Thanks, this clears things for me. Ours didn't give a choice. Oh well another black feather in Emaar's hat of inconsistancies :ohno:

We are hoping for the dark,, w'll see

Areadubai helloooo!
Can you please reply to my post from couple of days ago. I also sent you PM regarding some units at the same time, I would appreciate an answer.
Don't disappoint us now when we started believing that you are one of the few trustfull agents left in Dubai :)

Areadubai, regarding those new fees for DLD did anyone actually paid that or you just got the information that is the new charge?

Also do you know is it applicable for people who bought their apartments couple of years ago and they are just waiting for hand (like Park Island) or only for the transactions after the rule was introduced (month ago or so)?

At some point before there was a change of charges from DLD as well but it was applicable only for transfers/transactions made after the rule was introduced so I believe it should be the same this time.

Thanks

Hi M2,

Had another transfer today in Bonaire and yes they have charged the 2% not sure what is going to happen to the people who bought before.. including myself...

AreaDubai... I hope I do not get a call from EMAAR :)

Hi M2,

Had another transfer today in Bonaire and yes they have charged the 2% not sure what is going to happen to the people who bought before.. including myself...

AreaDubai... I hope I do not get a call from EMAAR :)

Daywalker can you please confirm that you actually paid all of the following:

1. 5,000 AED to Emaar - btw what is that for, is 3,000 AED pre registration part of that?
2. 1% of the original price to DLD
3. 2% of the selling price to DLD
4. 1,000 AED to DLD
5. I assume you bought it for cash so 0.25% is not applicable to you

Are you paying all of the above to Emaar or to DLD directly?

Cheers

Well we should be getting our latest update in the next couple of days with our revised handover date - given that the reasons have already been landscaping not finished and Dewa not connected I wonder what the excuse will be this time? - paint not dry? :nuts:


For info I see that Du are aiming to connect phone/TV/internet at the end of January - hope thats a bit more accurate than Emaars estimates.

Well we should be getting our latest update in the next couple of days with our revised handover date - given that the reasons have already been landscaping not finished and Dewa not connected I wonder what the excuse will be this time? - paint not dry? :nuts:


For info I see that Du are aiming to connect phone/TV/internet at the end of January - hope thats a bit more accurate than Emaars estimates.

I think the next excuse will be,, let's seee

"Many snags were found by our valued owners and we need one more month to work proactively to fix these snags for the rest of the owners
for the most perfect handover in your life". "Also please note that the second batch of owners may find new snags, which may require one more month":cheers:

I think the next excuse will be,, let's seee

"Many snags were found by our valued owners and we need one more month to work proactively to fix these snags for the rest of the owners
for the most perfect handover in your life". "Also please note that the second batch of owners may find new snags, which may require one more month":cheers:


so do you think it is pointless hoping to spend NYE in our apts at Park Island???

so do you think it is pointless hoping to spend NYE in our apts at Park Island???

Actually you read my mind, i was contemplating were i would locate a small dish (of course hiden from the balcony) and get some kind of satellite phone and a gsm internet access if december is 'moving in date' considering what applemac was saying about the du hook-ups :)

Daywalker can you please confirm that you actually paid all of the following:

1. 5,000 AED to Emaar - btw what is that for, is 3,000 AED pre registration part of that?
2. 1% of the original price to DLD
3. 2% of the selling price to DLD
4. 1,000 AED to DLD
5. I assume you bought it for cash so 0.25% is not applicable to you

Are you paying all of the above to Emaar or to DLD directly?

Cheers

5000 to Emaar admin fee for transfer, 3000 for pre registration to Emaar both can be in cash
1% of OP to DLD must be a payorder for DLD
2% of SP to DLD must be a payorder for DLD
1000 to DLD for some changes in their system... Also must be a payorder

Also there are some AED 20 and AED 10 additonal on top of the 1% of OP and 2% of Sp that must be part of the payorder too so all in all atleast 3 payorders. Please check with Emaar before making the payorders.. they might change but this is how it was today....

Cheers

5000 to Emaar admin fee for transfer, 3000 for pre registration to Emaar both can be in cash
1% of OP to DLD must be a payorder for DLD
2% of SP to DLD must be a payorder for DLD
1000 to DLD for some changes in their system... Also must be a payorder

Also there are some AED 20 and AED 10 additonal on top of the 1% of OP and 2% of Sp that must be part of the payorder too so all in all atleast 3 payorders. Please check with Emaar before making the payorders.. they might change but this is how it was today....

Cheers

Daywalker what is the payorder? And why would you give it to Emaar if it is for DLD?
Or maybe now you have to pay DLD thru Emaar in order to get Emaar transfer the ownership to your name?

Thanks

Cheers

Daywalker what is the payorder? And why would you give it to Emaar if it is for DLD?
Or maybe now you have to pay DLD thru Emaar in order to get Emaar transfer the ownership to your name?

Thanks

Cheers

Pay order is a managers cheque. It is paid to DLD through Emaar