#TOPPED OUT: PARK ISLAND, 2x28F & 2x24F Res

[m2]

Daywalker, I talked to Emaar right now about those new fees for DLD. The guy explained that in order to get your apartment you need to pay only 3,000AED for pre registration and then later, after hand over you can apply for the Title Deed with Land Department (and pay that ridiculous amount of money for the peace of paper which basically doesn't mean anything).

Different scenario is if someone is buying the apartment in either Quays or Park Island now when THE CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION IS ALREADY ISSUED for both projects (that's what the guy told me which means no further delays).

This basically means you cannot do the transfer to your name with Emaar for off plan property anymore because they consider it completed projects - that is why DLD registration needed in order to sell.

I hope this clarifies who needs to pay now to DLD and who doesn't and it makes sense to me

[paki979]

I emailed Emaar Customer service inquiring about handover at PI...but they replied me attaching the pdf file of the handover instruction...therefore I cannot know if they will respect the scheduled date of 30th nov so as to book the flight...
does anyone have more information?

[Celtic Warrior]

I was at Emaar a few days ago and asked about handover. They explained they are short staffed (not a surprise) and that they would be handing over 3 other projects at the same time. Individual handover would depend on the snags highlighted during the orientation visit and the decison of the owner on whether to accept the unit "as is" (Emaar would correct the problems under warranty), or to wait until the work was completed. Given the staffing situation, I would not be surprised if handover slipped on individual units. I think they are struggling to schedule orientation visits never mind complete the work! I don't think this will be a smooth proccess.

[AppleMac]

Individual handover would depend on the snags highlighted during the orientation visit and the decison of the owner on whether to accept the unit "as is" (Emaar would correct the problems under warranty), or to wait until the work was completed.

You would have to be quite brave to pay the final installment and take it on trust than any defects would be fixed after they have your money.

[Celtic Warrior]

I guess it's a balance between how badly you want to take possession (and take the risk) versus the level of trust in Emaar. To be fair, I recently took possession of a flat at The Fairways under similar circumstances and Emaar fulfilled their obligations, as committed, without me having to chase.

[Bavarian]

Guys, If i do not intend to sell my property do i still have to pay the 1% to the DLD. Also do i need my property title for connecting electricity, water, etc.

Thanks

[AppleMac]

Guys, If i do not intend to sell my property do i still have to pay the 1% to the DLD. Also do i need my property title for connecting electricity, water, etc.

Thanks

1% to the DLD (+ various admin charges) to DLD for registration for title deed (deed arrives several months later)

Proof of ownership for Dewa (sales contract) - you wont have any title deed at start.

[Bavarian]

1% to the DLD (+ various admin charges) to DLD for registration for title deed (deed arrives several months later)

Proof of ownership for Dewa (sales contract) - you wont have any title deed at start.

Thanks Applemac. So this registration is a requirement for handover.?

[AppleMac]

Thanks Applemac. So this registration is a requirement for handover.?

No - registration is simply to get your title deeds.

It is not obligatory at handover, however I would suspect Emaar will insist it is done then as it means more income for them from the admin fees.

[speedpete]

ok - it's the 1st of November?

Weren't EMAAR supposed to mail us before this date in case the handover is further delayed? Does this mean that there is no further delays to the project - finally?

[Doctor_UK]

or probably the mail is in the post :)

i'm coming to dubai on 10th december for 2 weeks..... i hope they don't spoil it !!



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[Bavarian]

I spoke with Emaar. At This point they are working with DEWA for water and electricity connections. They seem confidant the handovers will be done B4 December-end.

SO

Park Islanders - Get ready to Welcome 2010 at your new home.:banana:

[AppleMac]

Park Islanders - Get ready to Welcome 2010 at your new home.:banana:

Well if you are buying, I will come to your place :cheers:

[Bavarian]

It will depend on how much we have to fork over for service fees we may not have much left for the celebrations :)

[Tightness]

They seem confidant the handovers will be done B4 December-end.


Well, the only issue I see that I am not confident with Emaar's projections, be it PI or MQ.

[Omar 4321]

I have just had a call from Emaar scheduling my orientation for Saturday for my 01 unit in Bonaire.

I will takes photos and post next week.

[m2]

I have just had a call from Emaar scheduling my orientation for Saturday for my 01 unit in Bonaire.

I will takes photos and post next week.

Congratulations! Btw what floor are you on?

[Bavarian]

I have just had a call from Emaar scheduling my orientation for Saturday for my 01 unit in Bonaire.

I will takes photos and post next week.

Hi Omar

Congratulation, i hope you find your home in a great and ready shape.

We look forward to the first photos ever on this site from a Bonaire unit :) Please show us the Marina Views from the balconies and the readiness of the hallways leading to the units if you can.

[italyindubai]

If I were you I wouldn't show too much enthusiasm. Based on the enthusiasm Emaar will decide how much to charge for the maintenance. I'm sure if they can they will try to rip the money out of your pocket. My guess is anywhere between 24 and 28 Aed. Whatever it's far too high.

[dxbcelts]

I had the orientation done for Sanibel. Reception area and recreation part of the building is not complete. I am unable to upload pictures. If the admin or someone show me how to load the pix? Wanna put it out there so all can see as is.

[m2]

I had the orientation done for Sanibel. Reception area and recreation part of the building is not complete. I am unable to upload pictures. If the admin or someone show me how to load the pix? Wanna put it out there so all can see as is.


Dxbcelts go to tinypic.com, upload the pictures there and copy the links for "forums and message boards" in here. Chose 15" screen size for the images
Cheers

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[paki979]

amazing pics..

thanks dxbcelts

[Bavarian]

dxbcelts,,,, what great pictures, thanks.

And Congratulation on the completion of your new home it looks really great:) !. From What i see these units have a much higher quality of workmanship than i had earlier anticipated.

[m2]

Great photos Dxbcelts, thanks. The finishes look really good. I have to say that I am pleasently surprised. I will take some photos myself of the unit 04 Sanibel soon. :cheers:

[detract]

My snagging of Sanibel (type 5) is scheduled for this weekend. Has snagging so far thrown up many faults?

[True Blue]

Interiors look quite good, certainly different. The sinks don't look practical, although a striking design, bit like a big tissue box.

Unfortunately the guys that built the lift lobbies were clearly holding the drawing upside down:lol:

[Sandancer Dave]

My snagging of Sanibel (type 5) is scheduled for this weekend. Has snagging so far thrown up many faults?

Hi, Detract,

A friend of mine living in Dubai did my snagging inspection for me,
there was a couple of marked tiles, some bad / missing grouting, filler around the tile skirting needs attention, bedroom door not closing properly, plumbing grill/panel to be fixed in kitchen, & the toilet flush in the visitors cloakroom needs ajusting.
Not a lot really, just small things.
Hope your visit goes well, Dave

[paki979]

Hi guys, do you have any news about handover? It will be helpful to know if they will start to handover apts in December so as to book flight to Dubai...

do you think they will be able to handover before Xmas?

[detract]

Hi, Detract,

A friend of mine living in Dubai did my snagging inspection for me,
there was a couple of marked tiles, some bad / missing grouting, filler around the tile skirting needs attention, bedroom door not closing properly, plumbing grill/panel to be fixed in kitchen, & the toilet flush in the visitors cloakroom needs ajusting.
Not a lot really, just small things.
Hope your visit goes well, Dave

Cheers Dave, will keep eye out for those things. Will give my feedback + hopefully photos on my return next week. Sohail.

[Tasy]

Hi,

I went to Emaar offices and a very unhelpful customer services 'person' could not tell me anything about handover for Bonaire. I am on a high floor and was basically told that they are starting to handover from the bottom floors. Can anyone shed any light on which floor they are handing over in Bonaire??

[detract]

Hi,

I went to Emaar offices and a very unhelpful customer services 'person' could not tell me anything about handover for Bonaire. I am on a high floor and was basically told that they are starting to handover from the bottom floors. Can anyone shed any light on which floor they are handing over in Bonaire??

Emaar when they contracted me said I had until Nov 20 to do the snagging after which they would fix all problems, and then give 10day to make final payment. This is for Sanibel where I'm on a middle floor.

[kskumar]

Has anyone been intimated about the fixation of service charges...

[Starcom647]

I have 05 on the 22 floor in the Bonaire
i have not got any letter or the e-mail for the Inspection.

Please update me if anybody got info for inspection in Bonaire on the higher floors.

thanks

[Tasy]

I am in the dark as well Starcom647. I am in 03 unit on the 17th floor.

[detract]

I got a phonecall from Emaar and as they couldnt reach me (overseas business trip) they emailed me the handover letter. Then called to arrange a date. All taken by suprise, initially annoyed that they didnt give me fair warning.

Assume if completion is Nov 2009 they will contact you at any stage. there is a 10 day gap between when they fix all defects and completion payment.

No chance of re-snagging as they assume 1year cover will suffice.

[klausen]

I am in the dark as well Starcom647. I am in 03 unit on the 17th floor.

Tasy I'm also a "Bonairian" on the 17th floor and no news from Emaar so far...

[Bavarian]

Tasy I'm also a "Bonairian" on the 17th floor and no news from Emaar so far...

Well, It looks like Omar is the only lucky "Bonairian" in the bunch, he must be in a lower floor. Let's see how his snaging goes next week. Let's wish him lot's of luck :)

[kskumar]

Well, It looks like Omar is the only lucky "Bonairian" in the bunch, he must be in a lower floor. Let's see how his snaging goes next week. Let's wish him lot's of luck :)


I own a low floor 01 Appt in Bonair. Till today no news of handover!!
Guess they will handover without any snags !! :lol:

[AppleMac]

Also a 'Bonairian' :lol: - mid floor.

There seems to be more Bonairians than any other - I havn't noticed a Fairfieldarian yet.

Just out of interest we are going to live in our apartment - how many others have bought as end users or are you all investors?

[paki979]

Also a 'Bonairian' :lol: - mid floor.

There seems to be more Bonairians than any other - I havn't noticed a Fairfieldarian yet.

Just out of interest we are going to live in our apartment - how many others have bought as end users or are you all investors?

I am a Bonarian too :) 16th floor and no news so far...

[daywalker]

I am a Bonarian too :) 16th floor and no news so far...

I have one on the 7th floor in Bonaire and just got a call from EMAAR for Orientation. Have scheduled it for next sunday....

[Bavarian]

Also a 'Bonairian' :lol: - mid floor.

There seems to be more Bonairians than any other - I havn't noticed a Fairfieldarian yet.

Just out of interest we are going to live in our apartment - how many others have bought as end users or are you all investors?

Moi Auci,, Bonairian High Floor :lol: I wonder if there are power/water connectivity issues given it's location.?

[Tasy]

Also a 'Bonairian' :lol: - mid floor.

There seems to be more Bonairians than any other - I havn't noticed a Fairfieldarian yet.

Just out of interest we are going to live in our apartment - how many others have bought as end users or are you all investors?
When we bought initially and moved to Dubai we were planning to be end users. Now however, we have decided that Dubai is not the place for us so we will probably leave early next year and rent it out.

[RobertinDubai]

All - I just wanted to feedback my thoughts to all readers as this has been a wonderful web-site keeping us all upto date with the latest progress on this building project and our dreams...Thank You to all contributors.

I have just completed my inspection of my apartment in Blakley. I have tried to be very diligent during my first look around after a 41/2 year wait. I have looked closley in the rooms at the detail of the finishing. Overall they look great but close inspection of the tiles, kitchen, doors, granite etc showed about 40% of the kitchen cabintes to be marked(needing replacement), the grouting was very poor with staining on some of the floor tiles, tiles missing in the kitchen and cement just put in its place, granite very rough to touch, one window cracked.. The finishing appears to be very rushed which co-insides with what the person showing us around stated: that Emaar senior mamangement needs to get Park ISland handed over quickly....
Also, I now understand why they can rush through these apartments blocks without the attention to detail I am used to in the UK as we were told that only 20%ish of the owners ever complete an inspection.....I recommend that you inspect your property through critical eyes as you only get 1 chance to put it right.....however, all that said, we are happy with our apartment and when the snagging is completed we will be content. Robert

[Bavarian]

All - I just wanted to feedback my thoughts to all readers as this has been a wonderful web-site keeping us all upto date with the latest progress on this building project and our dreams...Thank You to all contributors.

I have just completed my inspection of my apartment in Blakley. I have tried to be very diligent during my first look around after a 41/2 year wait. I have looked closley in the rooms at the detail of the finishing. Overall they look great but close inspection of the tiles, kitchen, doors, granite etc showed about 40% of the kitchen cabintes to be marked(needing replacement), the grouting was very poor with staining on some of the floor tiles, tiles missing in the kitchen and cement just put in its place, granite very rough to touch, one window cracked.. The finishing appears to be very rushed which co-insides with what the person showing us around stated: that Emaar senior mamangement needs to get Park ISland handed over quickly....
Also, I now understand why they can rush through these apartments blocks without the attention to detail I am used to in the UK as we were told that only 20%ish of the owners ever complete an inspection.....I recommend that you inspect your property through critical eyes as you only get 1 chance to put it right.....however, all that said, we are happy with our apartment and when the snagging is completed we will be content. Robert

Great Stuff RobertInDubai,,, Many Thanks.

[irk72@hotmail.com]

Hi,

I have arranged for snagging on 29th Nov without any issues.
Were told that payment would not be due until 10days after fixes had been made which will hopefully take us through till xmas and new year holidays.

Out of interest, has anyone seen an EMAAR generated snag list to see if they pick up the detail we would on our own or is it a whitewash.

Being in the Uk that would be a convenient option but not if it is worthless.

Thanks

[kskumar]

grt feedback Robertindubai. Thanks indeed. Did Emaar provide you with any checklist which could be the basis for carrying out a detailed snagging...

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[Bavarian]

Hi Omar,

Great unit and views to the Marina,,,,, Congratulations.:)

Any major fixes required.?

[Omar 4321]

Hi Omar,

Great unit and views to the Marina,,,,, Congratulations.:)

Any major fixes required.?


Thanks Bavarian.

There are no major fixes required however there is plenty of small issues and overall finishing.

The grouting work throughout the apartment is very poor as is some of the tiling. The wardrobes and kitchen/bathroom cupboards look like they were put together by a child.

All of this can be rectified easily and hopefully emaar will take care of it before handover...as said in previous posts its down to a rushed effort to get the project completed ASAP. Other than this I am very pleased with the apartment.

The communal areas are coming along well also with lots of workers on site this afternoon.

FYI my apartment is an 01 unit on a low floor, higher floor apartments are still being finished hence I was one of the first to be invited for orientation.

[Bavarian]

Thanks Bavarian.

There are no major fixes required however there is plenty of small issues and overall finishing.

The grouting work throughout the apartment is very poor as is some of the tiling. The wardrobes and kitchen/bathroom cupboards look like they were put together by a child.

All of this can be rectified easily and hopefully emaar will take care of it before handover...as said in previous posts its down to a rushed effort to get the project completed ASAP. Other than this I am very pleased with the apartment.

The communal areas are coming along well also with lots of workers on site this afternoon.

FYI my apartment is an 01 unit on a low floor, higher floor apartments are still being finished hence I was one of the first to be invited for orientation.

Thanks Omar. I was wondering did Emaar give you any indication as to when they will finish the snags.?.

[Starcom647]

Hi all,

I have a friend who has set up a property inspection company recently and she completed the snagging for me in one of my other properties in JLT. I will ask her to do the same for my MQ apartment when it comes online. Very thorough, great report, photos, follow-up, etc. If you need somebody to go through the orientation tour with Emaar for you (i.e. flight over too expensive, not convenient, etc) PM me and I will pass on her contact details.

Cheers.

pm me the info.

thanks.

[kskumar]

Pl. let me have the contact details ... thanks

[AppleMac]

Hi,

I have arranged for snagging on 29th Nov without any issues.


29th is almost guaranteed to be Eid so it will be highly unlikely that anyone from Emaar will be working.

I live on the other side of the Marina so if you get stuck and they change the date I would do your orientation if needed.

[paki979]

Hi all,

I have a friend who has set up a property inspection company recently and she completed the snagging for me in one of my other properties in JLT. I will ask her to do the same for my MQ apartment when it comes online. Very thorough, great report, photos, follow-up, etc. If you need somebody to go through the orientation tour with Emaar for you (i.e. flight over too expensive, not convenient, etc) PM me and I will pass on her contact details.

Cheers.

please pm me the info

[Bavarian]

Hi all,

I have a friend who has set up a property inspection company recently and she completed the snagging for me in one of my other properties in JLT. I will ask her to do the same for my MQ apartment when it comes online. Very thorough, great report, photos, follow-up, etc. If you need somebody to go through the orientation tour with Emaar for you (i.e. flight over too expensive, not convenient, etc) PM me and I will pass on her contact details.

Cheers.

Please PM me.

[madina_g]

Hi all,

I have a friend who has set up a property inspection company recently and she completed the snagging for me in one of my other properties in JLT. I will ask her to do the same for my MQ apartment when it comes online. Very thorough, great report, photos, follow-up, etc. If you need somebody to go through the orientation tour with Emaar for you (i.e. flight over too expensive, not convenient, etc) PM me and I will pass on her contact details.

Cheers.

Dear Dubaipots!

Would you be so kind to share your friend's contacts (in PM), also how much would such service cost?

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[paki979]

why some units are in dark brown colour and other in natural oak?

[AppleMac]

why some units are in dark brown colour and other in natural oak?

It's the colour that was chosen at original sale

[paki979]

It's the colour that was chosen at original sale

I did not choose any colour, nor they told me it...and mine was not a resale.

so what colour should I expect for my unit in bonaire?

[Bavarian]

Thanks Dave, Excellent pitcures showing much needed to know "details". You have a very nice unit, Congratulations!:)

[AppleMac]

I did not choose any colour, nor they told me it...and mine was not a resale.

so what colour should I expect for my unit in bonaire?

all it says in my contract is that if you dont specify then it will be the 'standard color chosen by Emaar' - which I think means dark brown

[Omar 4321]

all it says in my contract is that if you dont specify then it will be the 'standard color chosen by Emaar' - which I think means dark brown

I was told by the orientation team that all 01 units in Bonaire are light colour..could quite easily not be true though.

[detract]

Great photos Dave, did my snagging on Sunday at Sanibel. Will write a full report + photos but briefly usual problems.

Grouting at times was not up to scratch.
Scratches on some doors, cupboard panels and window panels
On floortile looked like it had some dirt under the lacquer
couldnt test AC.

On a positive side, Emaar has provided electricty generators and water tanks so you can test plugs/white goods/drainage which were all fine. Still not as bad as I was going ti imagine. Not high end but not bad. Also Emaar said they would put another coat of paint.

.

BTW all my doors/kitchen were dark brown and I originally bought from Emaar 4 years ago (!) and never had the choice. However I like the dark finish.

[klausen]

I'm afraid will not make it for the inspection and seems to be important to be in it to avoid future surprises.

Can anyone tell me wether I need to give an official power of attorney (including embassy stamps) for someone else to inspect my appartment? Or just signing a paper would be enough?

Thank you!

[Bavarian]

Guys,

What heppened to DubaiPots and his offer, Has anyone heared from him yet.:nuts: ?

[Sandancer Dave]

I'm afraid will not make it for the inspection and seems to be important to be in it to avoid future surprises.

Can anyone tell me wether I need to give an official power of attorney (including embassy stamps) for someone else to inspect my appartment? Or just signing a paper would be enough?

Thank you!

Klausen,
My friend did my snagging inspection for me, he lives in Dubai, I just arranged with Emaar for him to do it. I sent Emaar his contact details, they phoned him & arranged date & time, all I did was to send a simple mail to Emaar to authorise my friend to do it on my behalf, no official stamps or anything, good luck,
Dave

[paki979]

Guys,

What heppened to DubaiPots and his offer, Has anyone heared from him yet.:nuts: ?

:ohno:

[Stephan23]

Aren't these 4 towers done??

[paki979]

Aren't these 4 towers done??

let's hope they will start handover at the beginning of december

[Chicklet]

Hi all,

I've got a 1 bed 04 unit in Fairfield. Has anyone seen these units yet? Any feedback?

Also does anyone know how much they are selling for? Is it better to sell now or wait till handover is complete?

Thanks!

[Stephan23]

Structure is done for me ! Take thread to the complete section please ! Thx

[Bavarian]

Structure is done for me ! Take thread to the complete section please ! Thx

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[paki979]

are they continuing with home orientaion? I haven't been contacted so far.

[ankaboottx]

I am really afraid to ask, but does any body knows how much is the "maintenance fees"?

[paki979]

I am really afraid to ask, but does any body knows how much is the "maintenance fees"?

they didn't set the fees yet

[Chicklet]

I am really afraid to ask, but does any body knows how much is the "maintenance fees"?

The same building in Burj Dubai has just been released with maintainance fees at AED21 per square foot. I guess charges will be similar but not sure if they include the balcony area when they calculate maintainance charges or not....

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Very nice pictures. which floor your 05 is on.

thanks

[Starcom647]

Can somebody do the home orientaion for me? I'm not able to make it.
thanks

[AppleMac]

Can somebody do the home orientaion for me? I'm not able to make it.
thanks

when is it for?

[Cockatoo]

Any news on service charges? It's 16 days until handover and no mention. I bet the assholes are gonna hit us with 28AED per square foot!! I can't wait to have our own committee to regulate the charges and give transparency to the owners. Dubai, stop being greedy, get with the times and stop ripping people off!!

[Starcom647]

when is it for?

I don't know yet. they haven't called me yet. about 2-3 weeks i think

[Tasy]

I don't know yet. they haven't called me yet. about 2-3 weeks i think

Do be careful because if they cannot reach you, (they will try to call you a few times) they will send you a letter stating that they will do the snag list for you on your behalf as you were unreachable.

[googly]

I havent been contacted either. My unit is on the 24th floor in Sanibel. I am assuming that I will be one of the last to be contacted because of the floor.

[paki979]

I havent been contacted either. My unit is on the 24th floor in Sanibel. I am assuming that I will be one of the last to be contacted because of the floor.

Me neither..I am on the 16th floor at bonaire and haven't been contacted...

[ankaboottx]

Any news on service charges? It's 16 days until handover and no mention. I bet the assholes are gonna hit us with 28AED per square foot!! I can't wait to have our own committee to regulate the charges and give transparency to the owners. Dubai, stop being greedy, get with the times and stop ripping people off!!

I don't know about you guys, but I refuse to pay any amount over 20 AED. They better take me to court and prove in court it really cost them to run a brand new building under full warranty the charged amount. bouggous charges by subsidiaries are not valid. Thats like putting money from one pocket to another.

I am sure if we get a private company to manage it will be 9 aed or less. 6 aed is really reasonable.

The current charges are nothing but daylight rubbery.

[paki979]

I don't know about you guys, but I refuse to pay any amount over 20 AED. They better take me to court and prove in court it really cost them to run a brand new building under full warranty the charged amount. bouggous charges by subsidiaries are not valid. Thats like putting money from one pocket to another.

I am sure if we get a private company to manage it will be 9 aed or less. 6 aed is really reasonable.

The current charges are nothing but daylight rubbery.

any amount over 20 AED will be really expensive!! an honest price will be around 10 AED

[Cockatoo]

I agree that we should form our own Home Owners Association and I would happily stand for President. I know for a fact that Marina Promenade residents are paying 22AED per square foot!!

Dream on EMAAR

[Bavarian]

I agree that we should form our own Home Owners Association and I would happily stand for President. I know for a fact that Marina Promenade residents are paying 22AED per square foot!!

Dream on EMAAR


Hi Cockatoo,

My Opinion and with all due respect to you, Qualifying for presidency for home owners assosication is one thing and taking agressive posture before we know the extent of the service charge is an opposite thing. Owners options will be best identified when the facts are known.

[m2]

I agree that we should form our own Home Owners Association and I would happily stand for President. I know for a fact that Marina Promenade residents are paying 22AED per square foot!!

Dream on EMAAR

Guys I really don't understand why are you speculating and treatening about service charges before we even have our apartments. I agree that service charges are too high but we cannot do anything about it in the first year. First year we all have to pay whatever Emaar is charging (and it will be anywhere between 20-25 Aed/sqft) and then later we can form the body which will be dealing with maintainance issues.

So I believe it would be more beneficial for all to use the energy to put some extra pressure on Emaar to hand over the units ASAP rather than speculate about service charges.

:cheers:

[Dec21]

Hi, anybody interested in Home Orientation? Please PM.
I have onebed in Blakely and can do it for you with min. charge.

Thanks

[GreenKiwi]

drove past and common area/entrance looks far from finished. Developer trying to hand over too early.

[Imre]

drove past and common area/entrance looks far from finished. Developer trying to hand over too early.

Some balconies glass and rail still missing on higher floors of all towers, would be dangerous if you are drunk :)

[Starcom647]

I have the 05 in Boaire
Can somebody do the Home Orientation for me
i think it will be in 2-3 weeks. how much? if they have done there?

please pm me.

thanks

[Arch19E]

Does anyone know what has happend to the palm-shaped steele canopies over the pool (refer to rendering on page 1 of this thread)? It was certainly the best part of this project which I was looking forward to see constructed.

Hopefully this will still be the case although I fear this architectural detail has been deleted for cost reasons. That would be a shame.

[Bavarian]

Does anyone know what has happend to the palm-shaped steele canopies over the pool (refer to rendering on page 1 of this thread)? It was certainly the best part of this project which I was looking forward to see constructed.

Hopefully this will still be the case although I fear this architectural detail has been deleted for cost reasons. That would be a shame.

Good Observation! It looke like the locations of the columns that support the planned Steel canopies are
now the planters for the 6 palm trees shown in recent photos in this forum.

Let's hope that the qality/quantity of important hiden materials for structure/electrical/plumbing are are not compromised on account of cost reduction.

[AppleMac]

I'm quite glad they didn't bother with the canopy anyway - the pool area is small enough without unnecessarily putting it into shade.

[Cockatoo]

Hi Cockatoo,

My Opinion and with all due respect to you, Qualifying for presidency for home owners assosication is one thing and taking agressive posture before we know the extent of the service charge is an opposite thing. Owners options will be best identified when the facts are known.

Bavarian I have only lived in Dubai for 3 years and I can tell you that in that short time Dubai has been built on speculation. Unless you have your head firmly planted up your backside, be prepared for a complete rogering from EMAAR where the sun doesn't shine!! The fact that EMAAR hasn't announced service charges and I am supposed to move in 14 days is absolutely rediculous! Until EMAAR & Dubai for that matter move to a more transparent and stable framework in regards to providing a first world service to investors, I will remain sceptical. Oh, I still standby my ability & willingness to preside over the Park Island Home Owners Association.

[Bavarian]

Bavarian I have only lived in Dubai for 3 years and I can tell you that in that short time Dubai has been built on speculation. Unless you have your head firmly planted up your backside, be prepared for a complete rogering from EMAAR where the sun doesn't shine!! The fact that EMAAR hasn't announced service charges and I am supposed to move in 14 days is absolutely rediculous! Until EMAAR & Dubai for that matter move to a more transparent and stable framework in regards to providing a first world service to investors, I will remain sceptical. Oh, I still standby my ability & willingness to preside over the Park Island Home Owners Association.

Cockatoo If you think Speculation is negative why not start with yourself. Also nasty remarks will nither lower
your service fees nor get you any votes :)

I understand your frustrations but, think of it this way, if you, me and so many people here and arround the world have already lost
hundreds of thousands in property values, whats another 3 or 4k. Cheer-up.:)

[AppleMac]

I am supposed to move in 14 days

20 Dhs says you wont :lol:

[daywalker]

View from my 02 unit in Bonaire

http://i38.tinypic.com/21jx0mw.jpg


Nice Yacht race going on during my orientation...

http://i38.tinypic.com/24689a9.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/2ajcfhz.jpg

[Celtic Warrior]

Daywalker, any pictures from the inside?

[Bavarian]

DayWalker,,, Fantastic Views,,,Congratulations !!:)

[ankaboottx]

Cockatoo If you think Speculation is negative why not start with yourself. Also nasty remarks will nither lower
your service fees nor get you any votes :)

I understand your frustrations but, think of it this way, if you, me and so many people here and arround the world have already lost
hundreds of thousands in property values, whats another 3 or 4k. Cheer-up.:)

Bavarian were did you get 3k or 4K? In my 1000 sqf unit it will be 20K! at 20 aed/sqf ant that will be PER YEAR! This is no pocket change as you have eluded. Also, these boughs charges will certainly effects our property value.

But, regardless of the amount, your argument that, since we might have lost several hundred thousand, then it's OK to be robbed few thousand doesn't hold any water. Stealing people's money, even 10AED is just not right, and must be resisted.

[Bavarian]

[QUOTE=ankaboottx;46305293]Bavarian were did you get 3k or 4K? In my 1000 sqf unit it will be 20K!

If you follow the conversation in the post. My Point (3-4K) was the difference between Charges at Emaar properties recently handed-over and the range of predictions in this forum. Let's face it,

The only reasonable options i see available to each owner in case he/she does not like the charge would be ;

1- Accept the service charges as they are. The More the developer charges the higher the loss in brand image.

2- Write a letter of dissatisfaction to Emaar.

3- Refuse Payment & deal w/contractual consequences.

4- Sell the property, Pack-up and go home.

I would go for option-1, what about you.?

For me, one positive from the experience is that my next purchase contract would have to have (among other clauses) a ceiling on maintenance. If the developer does not like it, then i take my business elsewhere.

[said_aush]

If anyboby measured real square of block ?
What difference between real and pointed in sales agreement ?

[enriquedubai2]

Did somebody received the final handover letter from EMAAR? I mean the one they give after all the snags have been rectified....13 days to Handover and I haven't received anything...

[Chicklet]

If anyone needs help snagging let me know. Have done quite a few in the last few months and live in an Emaar property so have some experience in the process.

Regards,

[detract]

Did somebody received the final handover letter from EMAAR? I mean the one they give after all the snags have been rectified....13 days to Handover and I haven't received anything...

I did my snagging at Sanibel on 8 Nov. Emaar told me that after all snagging had been fixed which could be any length of time, they will issue final completion letter afterwhich you have 10 days to make final payment.

So I will have to wait till at least 20 Nov for the 30 Nov contracted completion date. But lets face it that letter will depend on how much work has to be done and Emaar "promised" they are repainting the entire apartment.

Also this was dependent on securing DEWA access as its illegal to handover with these not in place. I told them I was not going to complete (forget handover) until these were in place.

[Finetune]

Hi Daywalker, nice photos from unit 2 Bonair, were you doing snagging at the time, the reason I'm asking is that I have a unit 2 midfloor Bonair and I called Emaar about the snagging visit and was told that it is not ready yet.

[kskumar]

[QUOTE=ankaboottx;46305293]Bavarian were did you get 3k or 4K? In my 1000 sqf unit it will be 20K!

If you follow the conversation in the post. My Point (3-4K) was the difference between Charges at Emaar properties recently handed-over and the range of predictions in this forum. Let's face it,

The only reasonable options i see available to each owner in case he/she does not like the charge would be ;

1- Accept the service charges as they are. The More the developer charges the higher the loss in brand image.

2- Write a letter of dissatisfaction to Emaar.

3- Refuse Payment & deal w/contractual consequences.

4- Sell the property, Pack-up and go home.

I would go for option-1, what about you.?

For me, one positive from the experience is that my next purchase contract would have to have (among other clauses) a ceiling on maintenance. If the developer does not like it, then i take my business elsewhere.



I don't think Emaar places any further value for their Brand for already everything has got eroded .They have got away by adopting unethical practices and now the objective will only be to get the last bit of flesh from their customers as nothing more is left to be lost..

[daywalker]

Hi Daywalker, nice photos from unit 2 Bonair, were you doing snagging at the time, the reason I'm asking is that I have a unit 2 midfloor Bonair and I called Emaar about the snagging visit and was told that it is not ready yet.

Hi FineTune,
I took these pictures during the snagging of my unit... It is very odd as another unit of mine in Blakely on a lower floor is not ready for snagging yet...

[Kevan]

http://i47.tinypic.com/aonk42.jpg

[Kevan]

http://i48.tinypic.com/eriglw.jpg

[Kevan]

http://i45.tinypic.com/of3wwj.jpg

[ThunderRoad]

Hi All,

I bought a 30th floor 04 type one bed in Fairfield, and have had nothing but trouble with Emaar. Three times this year when they extended the ‘completion date’ they did not advise me in writing and when I subsequently found out and advised them that they were ‘ out of contract’ for not informing me, they said that Aramex had called me three times on all three occasions (which is a total lie !) I did not pick the phone up, so they could not verify my present address so took the letter back to Emaar !

I have been constantly chasing Emaar over the past few weeks to advise me a 'home orientation date', and I keep getting the same answer i.e. ......'the apartment has not yet been certified, so the orientation cannot take place, ....we will be in contact asap', and with completion date now just 5 working days away, its obvious I will not be in my apartment by 30 November

I have again advised them that they will be out of contract and I will be placing them on notice of termination, but unfortunately it will be a pointless exercise, as under Clause 11 of the contract, they have a further 90 days to rectify / complete whatever needs doing and handover the apartment

++

Has anyone got any photo’s of a 04 type one bed in one of the other towers (other than Fairfield) ?

Also, would really appreciate some advice from one of the experienced posters on here, who is more clued up than me on the following :-

Land Registration : 1 % of the Contract Price + AED 315
The Agreement of Sale with Emaar states the 'Purchase Price as 'AED 1,160,888' (even though I paid the Seller more than this) - Am I correct in understanding that the 1% is based on AED 1,160,888 i.e. AED 11,608.88 or on 1% of the price I paid the Seller ?

On top of the above, Emaar also advise I am liable for a Pre Registration Administration Fee of AED 3,000....does that sound normal / in order ?

Thanks for your help / feedback

Cheers
ThunderRoad

[True Blue]

You only pay 1% of the contract price, i.e the amount written into the agreement with Emaar. The difference is called a premium and is not related to Emaar but to the third party who sold you the unit. If for any reason Emaar were to make a refund you would only receive the original amount and the premium would be lost. Worthwhile remembering if you are planning on entering into a dispute!

As for the 3000 Oquod fee, as far as I know this is just a money spinner for Emaar and there is not much you can do about it. Most contracts have a clause which states that you are liable for all other costs associated with registering the property.

[DxbPC]

As for the 3000 Oquod fee, as far as I know this is just a money spinner for Emaar and there is not much you can do about it. Most contracts have a clause which states that you are liable for all other costs associated with registering the property.

Oqood [not oquod] is a land department and rera initiative which is in line with law 13 and established to help registration of all properties eventually leading to a transparent market. It affects everyone not just Emaar customers.
Literally translated oqood means contract.

[m2]

Oqood [not oquod] is a land department and rera initiative which is in line with law 13 and established to help registration of all properties eventually leading to a transparent market. It affects everyone not just Emaar customers.
Literally translated oqood means contract.

Ok maybe it's right initiative from LD side who is charging 1,000AED for that but Emaar's 2,000 AED? For what? Another legitimate robbery I would say.
Don't forget that you don't have an option to go directly to LD and pay only 1,000 AED.

[paki979]

ten days to hand over and haven't been contacted for home orientation yet.

[ThunderRoad]

ten days to hand over and haven't been contacted for home orientation yet.

Join the club mate, join the club ! :bash:

[True Blue]

Oqood [not oquod] is a land department and rera initiative which is in line with law 13 and established to help registration of all properties eventually leading to a transparent market. It affects everyone not just Emaar customers.
Literally translated oqood means contract.

You missed the point, which related to the level of the dissproportionate charge.

[kskumar]

You only pay 1% of the contract price, i.e the amount written into the agreement with Emaar. The difference is called a premium and is not related to Emaar but to the third party who sold you the unit. If for any reason Emaar were to make a refund you would only receive the original amount and the premium would be lost. Worthwhile remembering if you are planning on entering into a dispute!

As for the 3000 Oquod fee, as far as I know this is just a money spinner for Emaar and there is not much you can do about it. Most contracts have a clause which states that you are liable for all other costs associated with registering the property.

Can somebody advise if the 1% is Land registration needs to be paid before taking delivery or this could wait till the next transfer /sale. thanking you.
kskumar

[dirtyharry1]

Once the property has been handed over you will have to register it at the land department. Most probably Emaar will contact you when yours is due for registration, you cannot go to Land department on your own and when you want to. But without that (without the title) you cannot sell it anymore...

[AppleMac]

Massive progress from DCE this week..


We now have a sign..:banana:

















http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l212/sids666/P1000267.jpg

[daywalker]

I hope thats not the permanent one :lol:

[Bavarian]

http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif Emaar Actually Splurged on a sign.? Big Spenders.! http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/4.gif

[Arch19E]

The money for the sign came from all the money they saved by deleting the fabulous palm shaped trellace (page 1 of this forum) which was supposed to be over the pool. That was the most striking architectural feature of the entire project.

[kskumar]

thanks dirtyharry1 for the info..

[AppleMac]

The money for the sign came from all the money they saved by deleting the fabulous palm shaped trellace (page 1 of this forum) which was supposed to be over the pool. That was the most striking architectural feature of the entire project.

Sorry but I disagree - why you would want to block out the sun on an outside pool was never totally clear.

I much prefer the replacement of the trellace with the palms - a bit of natural vegetation breaks up the acres of concrete and glass.

[paki979]

Sorry but I disagree - why you would want to block out the sun on an outside pool was never totally clear.

I much prefer the replacement of the trellace with the palms - a bit of natural vegetation breaks up the acres of concrete and glass.

I totally agree with you. Palms look better...

[dirtyharry1]

Will PI really being handed over by November 30th? Do you have any news?

[AppleMac]

^^^^

no chance - everything will shut down from Thursday for Eid than National day. As a government company Emaar will probably be having the full 1 week break that the public sector will have.

[dirtyharry1]

Could be, yes... but the public sector resumes work on Decmber 6th only...

[AppleMac]

The main issue is that it doesn't matter what Emaar say is going to be handover date, all that matters is when DCE finish. All year DCE have been dragging their feet on this project, even now they are not putting any great effort into finishing it - you only have to look at the surrounding sites where they have workers in on evenings, nights and weekends to keep the build on schedule - PI is a ghost town outside of 06:00 - 15:00.

I walked past the site this afternoon at 16:00 - everyone on PI had knocked off for the night but there was still work continuing on TGR, Skyview, and the sites on the opposite side of the Marina.

All you can do is wait for DCE :cry:

[dirtyharry1]

Yes, DCE is a total mess, but since Emaar is the developer and since they pay for all the shit it is also their responsibility to kick the asses of DCE accordingly. It is too easy for Emaar to blame DCE only.

[AppleMac]

To be fair to DCE who knows whether they are even getting paid at the moment? - If they are being treated like a lot of Emaars subcontractors who are having massive difficulty getting any money out of them, then it would be hardly surprising that they were not over enthused about speeding up the job.

[Imre]

The problem is something else, DCE can do fast progress just see how fast was The Point and also they have good progress with The Torch,Bay Central,23 Marina.

Probably they have problem with the payments from the Emaar thats why they have just limited team there and I am sure without the last payment they will not finish this project and the MQ.

Emaar has only 6 projects (MQ,PI,Marina Plaza,The Lofts,Boulevard Plaza and Burj Dubai ) U/C everything else ON HOLD now (maybe the Mosela and Tanaro also U/C but seems very slow ) , contractors left all sites because of the money.

[dirtyharry1]

That could be the case... however it does not apologize the lousy workmanship from DCE in first instance - AND there must be a terrific mismanagement at Emaar management if they run out of cash. Just imagine what kind of money they make only with maintenance fees, transaction fees etc ! Actually Emaar should be a cash cow.

[bizzybonita]

Yes, DCE is a total mess, but since Emaar is the developer and since they pay for all the shit it is also their responsibility to kick the asses of DCE accordingly. It is too easy for Emaar to blame DCE only.

Totally agreed .

[kskumar]

i just recd. a call from Emaar Property handover team --- stating that there was a DEWA problem which is causing delay in the Orientation process . However they claim this problem is almost resolved and they would commence the process in next few days.
Well do we have any choice but wait..

[Celtic Warrior]

From my message on 29 October: "I was at Emaar a few days ago and asked about handover. They explained they are short staffed (not a surprise) and that they would be handing over 3 other projects at the same time...I think they are struggling to schedule orientation visits never mind complete the work! I don't think this will be a smooth proccess." I have a unit in Bonaire on the 25th floor and have yet to be contacted. It will be interesting to hear if any work is carried out over the holiday period.

[ThunderRoad]

I called Emaar this monring to chase up for some news on my 'home orientation date' ....they said that I should be contacted this week....so the same standard crap they have said to me twice a week week for the past 4 weeks

I told them that I am out of the country from 27 Nov to 4 Dec ((I have lost count how many times I have told them verbally and in writing that I will be travelling between these dates !) and had to do the 'orientation' this week

After all the delays and BS they have spouted so far, they then had the bare faced cheek to say '.....'could I give them a name of someone who could go in and inspect the apartment on my behalf while I am away, so as not to delay the process !!!!'....

I give up :bash:

[dirtyharry1]

You should not expect handing over before December 15th - at the earliest.

[ThunderRoad]

Meaning Emaar are 'out of contract' as no written advice has been received confirming 'handover' will delayed beyond 30 November 2009 !

However, as previously mentioned, they still have people by the 'short & curly's' as even if you give them notice in writing that as a result of the delay, you are terminating the contract, they have 3 months to rectify any delay, and still force you to take the apartment

[ThunderRoad]

Just had a call from Emaar.....they cannot give me a Home Orientation date, but confirm there will be no handovers on 30th November....They hope to be able to call me back by 10th December !!!

She said that they are still awaiting 'Civil Defence' clearance for the Towers and they dont know when this will be granted.....what next ?

[dirtyharry1]

ok... I was too optimistic with 15th December... 31st maybe:-)

[kskumar]

Am convinced that the Appts would not be handed over by 31st dec 2009. They are now taking refuge giving frivelous reasons. They preach excellence in their professional / work ethics --now we know their true colours..They have delayed the project by more than 18months, sitting on our 90% paid amount and we are left to beg them about the handover date.. What a mess we have got into..

[detract]

For my Sanibel property that I snagged 8 Nov i havent heard a thing yet. So assuming that I have 10days to make the final payment post notification of fixes that puts it into mid Dec at the earliest.

Ironically they insisted that I had to complete my snagging by Nov 20 in order to complete by the end of the month!

[hourad]

http://www.business24-7.ae/Articles/2009/11/Pages/22112009/11232009_2a4d4fb497644889aa6e8759da77651f.aspx

[paki979]

hand over in january???

[PARKIS102]

test

[Stephan23]

test II

[hourad]

test III

[hourad]

http://www.business24-7.ae/Articles/2009/11/Pages/23112009/11242009_b0de9517d0874e16b978d9c9b1e73501.aspx

[paki979]

6 days to official handover and no news!!! I would love to know if they are going to hand over before Xmas so I can organize my travel to Dubai in time, but it seems impossible find it out!!!!!

[P_I]

6 days to official handover and no news!!! I would love to know if they are going to hand over before Xmas so I can organize my travel to Dubai in time, but it seems impossible find it out!!!!!

Depends on which tower you are in. I went to site this lunchtime for nose around as Emaar will tell me nothing at all. The common areas are coming on, water in the pool though obiviously needs treating and a good clean. Sun loungers are there but need unwrapping once everything is in place. There is two raised areas to the side of the pool which work well. No gym equipment as yet but nice views of the Marina from the panoramic glass where the gyms will be. The squash courts are nearly ready (2 of them with a raised glass viewing area) - they look good. The whole project is coming together, slowly but surely. It will turn out nice, the landscaping is taking shape ,its just everything else in relation to the car park, apartments and general DCE mess that needs tidying up.

I managed to look at some of the units in Fairfield including my own which was mid level. There will be a great deal of snagging issues as stated before by people who have been able to do there home orientations. This is quite common and Emaar will fix these issues as they have done previously in their other developments.

All of the workers were asleep on various floors whilst i was there - not sure if it was their lunchbreak but other sites in the area looked busy. Considering handover is due next week I doubt it will take place until 2010 for the majority of owners.

[Tasy]

I just got a call from Emaar informing me that Handover will realistically only take place in January 2010 as DEWA is still pending as is Civil Defence. Also there is still a lot of work taking place inside the buildings.

I informed them that I will be travelling in the first three weeks of December. There is definitely no chance of Orientation before the 10th of December with all of the holidays. If anyone knows anything else please let me know.

[kskumar]

I just recd. an Aramex courier from Emaar stating that the handover would commence from 30th Nov. The new procedure is that we need to fix an appontment with Emaar for the handover ( guess once intimated on completion after snagging).
Also reminding abt my obligation to payup all dues before approaching for handover.
Surprised to receive this letter as I am yet to be contacted for the Orientation.

How do we remind them about their obligation -- of having defaulted by 18months on handover.. The best goodwill measure from Emaar would be to graciously forfeit the last instaament of 10% -- if they hv any intention of preserving their reputation if any left !!!!!!!!

[paki979]

it is really impossible to know the real situation...

[dirtyharry1]

Goodwill measure from Emaar???? Never ever.

Once your reputation is gone you can do what you want... this is their attitude.

[paki979]

ok but I just would like to know if I can get my apt for Xmas so I can organize my life...
if I email customer service they reply always the same things...

[Bavarian]

http://www.business24-7.ae/Articles/2009/11/Pages/23112009/11242009_b0de9517d0874e16b978d9c9b1e73501.aspx

hourad,

Great articles ,, many thanks :)

[RobertinDubai]

Hi All - I have just recieved an UPS courier from Emaar stating that the handover would commence from 30th Nov. The new procedure is that we need to fix an appontment with Emaar for the handover. I had a long list of snagging to be completed inc 2 outside windows that were cracked!!!! (cant believe that they have completed it). Sounds like they are just following a process without the reality behind the situation. Also reminding about my obligation to payup all dues before approaching for handover. However they have not stated that I MUST pay up by a certain date....

Hey Ho...maybe it is happening after all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AppleMac]

I had a call from Emaar day before yesterday saying that my apartment was not ready for orientation or handover, they said that they are now off until after Eid and National Day and would contact me after they come back and advise of revised timings. As most government companies are closing until 6th Dec I wouldn't expect any further update next week.


PI site is empty today and as of yesterday afternoon it had no DEWA connection so cannot see anyone getting handover on 30th.

[dirtyharry1]

Never ever deal with Emaar again.

[Tasy]

Never ever deal with Emaar again.

I agree 100%. :bash:

[Bavarian]

Emaar has lost it :nuts: A management decision Just in ;

"Owners Have to Pay The last payment by November 30 Regardless of orientation". Each delay beyond November 30 will be charged as late penalty. :lol: The orientation and hand over dates will be given only if paytments are made.:ohno:

[paki979]

I receveid in this moment this letter from emaar:

To ensure that you receive your home and relevant documents in a systematic way, we shall commence the handover process strictly by appointments, starting from 30 november 2009. Kindly note that appointments will only be scheduled after all payments have been completed.

The point is that I have not be contacted for snagging list!!
What do you think guys??

[Celtic Warrior]

Bavarian, where did this come from? I have not yet reviewed the Contract, but I do not believe they have the contractual right to take such draconian measures.

[Bavarian]

Bavarian, where did this come from? I have not yet revied the Contract, but I do not believe they have the contractual right to take this approach.

This came from a call to the contact center this morning. Please try the same and let us know. :)

[Imre]

still not ready

26/November/2009

Park Island

http://i49.tinypic.com/1zo9u6u.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/28cdi03.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/10olao8.jpg

[Tasy]

Daylight robbery is what it is!




Emaar has lost it :nuts: A management decision Just in ;

"Owners Have to Pay The last payment by November 30 Regardless of orientation". Each delay beyond November 30 will be charged as late penalty. :lol: The orientation and hand over dates will be given only if paytments are made.:ohno:

[True Blue]

Missing windows, not a problem just add it to the snagging list!:ohno:

Emaar have lost it and Mohammed Ali Allabar has had it over the knuckles and been removed from the Sheikhs right hand side. Emaar are pretty much insolvent which explains the latest tatic. They can't finish without money and can't get money until finished.

Guess you guys are in for the DXB squeeze.

[kskumar]

I agree 100%. :bash:

We are dealing with a bunch of seasoned crooks. :bash:

[Finetune]

Steady Lads, no time to be getting the heebies, stiff upper lip and all that. Todays news is that Dubai Govt has $US 60bn liabilities, and have asked all creditors to wait untill May next year for payment, perhaps PI will go the same route. The game's not over till the fat lady has jumped off the top floor.

[Chicklet]

Emaar has lost it :nuts: A management decision Just in ;

"Owners Have to Pay The last payment by November 30 Regardless of orientation". Each delay beyond November 30 will be charged as late penalty. :lol: The orientation and hand over dates will be given only if paytments are made.:ohno:

All... it looks like Emaar is serious about this final installment. Emaar has contacted my mortgage provider and demanded that they pay the last installment by 30th Nov even though I havent even been contacted for snagging yet! My mortgage provider were professional enough to give me a call and let me know....

I've spent the last 2 days getting no straight or honest answer from Emaar. The property handover department says that if i havent done my snagging there is no requirement to pay the final installment but finance department have said something different to my mortgage provider!

This is madness ... I have no idea which part of Emaar is telling the truth. What a disappointing end to a 2 year wait for this development!

[kskumar]

Steady Lads, no time to be getting the heebies, stiff upper lip and all that. Todays news is that Dubai Govt has $US 60bn liabilities, and have asked all creditors to wait untill May next year for payment, perhaps PI will go the same route. The game's not over till the fat lady has jumped off the top floor.

Appears the courier letter recd. is for demanding the last instalment without getting the orinentation done / getting the Appt ready for handover.
Given that the Dubai World is about to default on the international Bond payment obligation-- very likely these guys have gone broke .they will collect the last instalment from us and we will be be left without any recourse.
Suggest we understand the contractual committments and jointly
handle the final phase.

[GreenKiwi]

can someone post the letter from Emaar

[Bavarian]

Guys,

Can someone recommend a realestate legel office, in particular one that is not "in-bed" with Emaar :storm:

[alexpk]

hello if each one of us send a fax when he complained of preocedura delivery begin to make us feel more insistently after we join together to seek a lawyer who can protect us in this regard.
Regards Alessandro Ital

[paki979]

can someone post the letter from Emaar

"To ensure that you receive your home and relevant documents in a systematic way, we shall commence the handover process strictly by appointments, starting from 30 november 2009. Kindly note that appointments will only be scheduled after all payments have been completed"

[italyindubai]

You guys should all relax. The letter states that you should pay before they hand over without any deadline. To me it seems it's a way to beg for money without being illegal doing so. In fact you right is to check the unit, have the snags removed. Once that is done you can pay and then the unit will be handed over.

[bizzybonita]

i saw some of lights are ON which give you conclusion that DEWA is there doing such a progress :)

[detract]

i saw some of lights are ON which give you conclusion that DEWA is there doing such a progress :)

May not be the case, Emaar have connected up generators and water tanks for snagging purposes, I was able to test the plumbing and white goods/hobs were working.

Got my letter for 30 Nov handover, going to hold off until they send me a letter saying that the areas requiring fixing are fixed as its 10days after that letter that final payment should be made. I suspect this is just someone following a procedure.

We have to see on Monday where things stand as per Dubai World etc and its effect. No doubt Emaar is heavily indebted but it was profitable for Q3 and wasnt building a massive island which costs a fortune.

[Tasy]

Hi everyone,

I am quite worried about whether we will even get the properties handed over at this stage. Is anyone else really worried at this stage about whether Park Island properties will actually be handed over with this latest development in the news about Dubai. I have to wonder if I have lost 90% of my money with this property.

I have been optimistic all along but there is a limit even to optimism. What do the rest of you think?

[Celtic Warrior]

I can find nothing in the Contract that says an owner can withhold the final 10% instalment until the Completion Date. There is no doubt the Completion Date (handover) is dependent on a prior inspection by the owner (see Clause 7), but I cannot see a linkage between the Completion Date and the final installment. I know this has been Emaar's practice through the years, but I do not see this practice embodied as a contractual and enforceable right. Perhaps this is the loophole through which Emaar hopes to raise money. Hope I'm missing something!

[Bavarian]

Hi everyone,

I am quite worried about whether we will even get the properties handed over at this stage. Is anyone else really worried at this stage about whether Park Island properties will actually be handed over with this latest development in the news about Dubai. I have to wonder if I have lost 90% of my money with this property.

I have been optimistic all along but there is a limit even to optimism. What do the rest of you think?

Tasy,

Emaar has lost so much credibility in the way they are handling their customers. One positive way to look at their latest quest to quickly sqeeze cash without delivering, is that the sooner one get's his property in his/her name the less likley payments are lost by bankruptcy or creditor take-over.

Happy Eid Everyone. :)

[kskumar]

Hi everyone,

I am quite worried about whether we will even get the properties handed over at this stage. Is anyone else really worried at this stage about whether Park Island properties will actually be handed over with this latest development in the news about Dubai. I have to wonder if I have lost 90% of my money with this property.

I have been optimistic all along but there is a limit even to optimism. What do the rest of you think?

I feel collectively we should decide not to pay the balance 10% without the snagging getting completed or we engage a lawyer and pay the money into an escrew a/c such that emaar can get the funds only after proper handover.
Am still optimistic that eventually all will work out ok.

[bizzybonita]

Hi everyone,

I am quite worried about whether we will even get the properties handed over at this stage. Is anyone else really worried at this stage about whether Park Island properties will actually be handed over with this latest development in the news about Dubai. I have to wonder if I have lost 90% of my money with this property.

I have been optimistic all along but there is a limit even to optimism. What do the rest of you think?

Don't worry , even now days with handover stage there is classify called soft handover stage . " you will find most of facilities out of work / broken things inside your'e apartment during this stage .

you can see this tower after one year from handover it something els believe me ..

[Celtic Warrior]

I can find nothing in the Contract that says an owner can withhold the final 10% instalment until the Completion Date. There is no doubt the Completion Date (handover) is dependent on a prior inspection by the owner (see Clause 7), but I cannot see a linkage between the Completion Date and the final installment. I know this has been Emaar's practice through the years, but I do not see this practice embodied as a contractual and enforceable right. Perhaps this is the loophole through which Emaar hopes to raise money. Hope I'm missing something!

A bit of good news on a day of turmoil – Under no circumstances should anyone pay the final instalment before they have completed the Inspection and agreed the snagging list with Emaar (orientation visit). I was able to find a schedule of payments, signed by Emaar at the time of the Contract, which clearly states that the final instalment must be paid on or before the Completion Date. As each owner has a contractual right to inspect the property with Emaar, and agree the snagging list, BEFORE the Completion Date, then the final instalment is not due until after the orientation visit. Penalties can only be charged if a payment is late. As the final instalment is not due until after the orientation visit, then no penalty can be assessed. Consequently, there is no need to panic as Emaar cannot force premature payment of the final instalment.

[AppleMac]

^^

Doesn't help those who have had their orientation though does it?

[Celtic Warrior]

^^

Doesn't help those who have had their orientation though does it?

You're right. I focused on all those who were afraid Emaar would force them to pay the final instalment before they even had a chance to carry out the inspection. If you have agreed the snagging list, then you will need to pay the final installment in full -- you do NOT have a right to withhold the funds equal in value to the cost of fixing the snags.

[Bavarian]

A bit of good news on a day of turmoil – Under no circumstances should anyone pay the final instalment before they have completed the Inspection and agreed the snagging list with Emaar (orientation visit). I was able to find a schedule of payments, signed by Emaar at the time of the Contract, which clearly states that the final instalment must be paid on or before the Completion Date. As each owner has a contractual right to inspect the property with Emaar, and agree the snagging list, BEFORE the Completion Date, then the final instalment is not due until after the orientation visit. Penalties can only be charged if a payment is late. As the final instalment is not due until after the orientation visit, then no penalty can be assessed. Consequently, there is no need to panic as Emaar cannot force premature payment of the final instalment.

Hi Celtic Warrior.

I couldn't find in the contract with Emaar any clause that ties the orientation to the final installement. Or as you state "As each owner has a contractual right to inspect the property with Emaar, and agree the snagging list, BEFORE the Completion Date, then the final instalment is not due until after the orientation visit".

It seems Emaar can define "completion" any way they want. :ohno:

[Cockatoo]

Ok, if you have done the orientation and completed the snag list, how do you know they have fixed them? How do you know water & electricity has been connected? I find it very rude that I had a phonecall from my bank asking if I would agree to the final payment. In fact, EMAAR & the ADCB are in the shit with this 60 Billion that our visionary leaders owe! I can't believe how greedy they have been? It's all built on lying and cheating........what a great place to live and do business.....

Oh, and when are EMAAR going to advise us of the service charges!!

[Tightness]

What is your final conclusion for owners who DID their home orientation? The 30th of Nov is already the next working day from today. I am out from 30th afternoon to the weekend...

Should I wait for one week? I could make the payment one week after (30th + 7 days).. If this f&%$§ are charging me late payment fees, how much would they be?

[italyindubai]

You should simply agree not to pay as long as the apartment is not in a condition to live in. This is basics. Forget what the contract says. If we don't put pressure they, like every other developer in Dubai, will continue to threat people like A..W.... Afterall they are in default already. I would also suggest you get exact measures of the unit to check if it's in line with the size claimed in the contract.

[paki979]

You should simply agree not to pay as long as the apartment is not in a condition to live in. This is basics. Forget what the contract says. If we don't put pressure they, like every other developer in Dubai, will continue to threat people like A..W.... Afterall they are in default already. I would also suggest you get exact measures of the unit to check if it's in line with the size claimed in the contract.

in fact, I do not want to pay now and get the apartment handed over in an uncertain date

[irk72@hotmail.com]

Just thought more info might help.

We have been through orientation of our apartment at Blakely earlier this week.
We were told 2-3 days worth of work (painting, cracked glass, grouting)
We then received the same letter as everyone on Wednesday morning.
Spoke to Khalil in Accounts dept, told me the following, categorically:
- final installment + pre-registration was due by 30th Nov
- penalty for late payment would be 1% of due installment per month
- service charges would be announced by handover dept on or before 30th Nov (i.e. tomorrow or Monday)

NOW - this is completely at odds to what we were told whilst booking orientation. Then we were told that last payment would be due 10 days after notification that all snagging was complete and it was up to us to inspect the work within those 10 days. Unfortunately Emaar never put this in writing.

Final point, whether you hold last payment or not will not matter to Emaar really. If they are going to go in to administration, you are probably in a better position than someone who has not paid up, as contractually you have fulfilled you part of the bargain. Whereas someone who has not paid up has in effect incurred another penalty and not yet entitled to receive ownership.

Just an opinion.

FYI - I was late on a payment once before by a week, it cost ~ 600AED penalty.

My one question - HAS ANYONE ACTUALLY TAKEN OWNERSHIP OF AN APARTMENT - as at orientation it was mentioned that people has already received keys.

[alexpk]

the building is not finished, so they can not force us to pay on November 30. Again we must send a fax to complain about all of this way of managing the delivery with the threat of going through legal channels and not pay the last installment.

[True Blue]

I really don't think this is the time for brinksmanship with Emaar. It's a bit like not feeding a hungry lion with their current situation. They will go for you and you will regret it!

If the apartment is substantially complete, I would pay the last installment and move on to the next issue, getting the snagging done and moving in.

[dirtyharry1]

Going through legal channels against Emaar? Good luck. That would be waste of time and much more money. Emaar is government, government is Emaar. That's it.

If I had received that letter I would pay. It is the only way of getting along. Sad, but true.

[True Blue]

BTW, Making the final payment automatically makes you the owner, so make sure you have all the receipts and try and get a completion of payments certificate. The completion of payments certificate is the same as legal title to the apartment.

[paki979]

would you pay for an apartment that is not ready and you did not have even the home orientation?? if it is ready why they did not call us for home orientation??
in my case is just 10%, it is nothing but as I did with other developers, first I had the snag list then paid the last installment.

[dirtyharry1]

Ok, I agree, without having the orientation tour, I would not pay. After that I would pay, if they have not done the snagging opon handing over they will do within the 1 year warranty period.

[True Blue]

would you pay for an apartment that is not ready and you did not have even the home orientation?? if it is ready why they did not call us for home orientation??
in my case is just 10%, it is nothing but as I did with other developers, first I had the snag list then paid the last installment.

In this particular example YES! Unless you want to be bitten by a hungry lion:dunno:

It's no longer about right and wrong.

[alexpk]

per Paky ti ho lasciato un messaggio privato. Per tutti quelli che invece continuano a rimanere passivi, mandare un fax individualmente dove ci si lamenta di quanto sta avvenendo non credo che crei ulteriori problemi, penso che sia un modo per esprimere un dissappunto comune a tutti.
Saluti

[kskumar]

We should pay the last instalment only after snagging is completed and ready for handover. What happens if we pay and snagging does not get done and the basic amenities in the Bldg like lift /water/elect/ appliances not ok ...
At that point Emaar will demand a Service fees which would be atrocious say dhs 50/sft ---as they can keep on blackmailing us with no end in sight..
Are we in a civilised country where contarctual obligations can be legally tested and we can have an impartial hearing ??? If so how?? and with whom??

Don,t you all think it would be wise at this stage to cut our losses and show some tenacity in fighting for our rights.. we need to stop this barbaric fleecing that is happening in a so called civilised country....

[Tasy]

Hi everyone,

I noticed on The Quays Thread tha some people are getting handover. Has anyone in the Park Island project been called regarding handover in any of the Towers?

[AppleMac]

OK, have just come back from Emaar customer services at the Greens.

First off they admit that the letter they sent out last week is not that clear. The procedure that is being followed is this:

You will get called for orientation where you will raise a snag list for your apartment. When the snags are fixed by DCE (or deferred until after occupancy depending on severity of defect), DCE will send a Completion letter to Emaar who will then contact you for handover - only at this point do you pay your final installment and service charges. When your final payment is cleared you then make an appointment for handover of keys etc.

You need to pay pre-registration (3000 Dhs) prior to Orientation.

Provisional service charges are to be 18.57 Dhs sq/ft

[irk72@hotmail.com]

OK, have just come back from Emaar customer services at the Greens.

First off they admit that the letter they sent out last week is not that clear. The procedure that is being followed is this:

You will get called for orientation where you will raise a snag list for your apartment. When the snags are fixed by DCE (or deferred until after occupancy depending on severity of defect), DCE will send a Completion letter to Emaar who will then contact you for handover - only at this point do you pay your final installment and service charges. When your final payment is cleared you then make an appointment for handover of keys etc.

You need to pay pre-registration (3000 Dhs) prior to Orientation.

Provisional service charges are to be 18.57 Dhs sq/ft

I can only go by what i have been told and it doesn't agree with the above.
We have been through orientation and no pre-reg fee was necessary.
Spoke to Emaar again this morning, service charge is still not published, DEWA still not connected (orientation uses generators that are shut at sunset).

We were told today that if snagging has not been fixed by time of 30th Nov payment, there will not be a penalty fee. But i suggest it us up to everyone to confirm this in writing from Emaar.

p.s. at approx average price of 1.2M per apartment i estimate Emaar are due about 86M AED from this last payment - not exactly sink or swim in terms of capital for them. If they are in trouble, it will be in the region of interest payments due on several tens of billions.

[AppleMac]

^^

The Service charges are printed out for you by the finance department (handover department are unaware of the service charges) - but obviously you would need to go into the office to collect this.

I think the difference is that you have had orientation - I was talking about those who still have not had it - for us the 30th Nov date is meaningless.

[italyindubai]

If Dubai were to be a soap opera, no one would be able to stand on his feet.

[Finetune]

OK, have just come back from Emaar customer services at the Greens.

First off they admit that the letter they sent out last week is not that clear. The procedure that is being followed is this:

You will get called for orientation where you will raise a snag list for your apartment. When the snags are fixed by DCE (or deferred until after occupancy depending on severity of defect), DCE will send a Completion letter to Emaar who will then contact you for handover - only at this point do you pay your final installment and service charges. When your final payment is cleared you then make an appointment for handover of keys etc.

You need to pay pre-registration (3000 Dhs) prior to Orientation.

Provisional service charges are to be 18.57 Dhs sq/ft

I have just been informed by Emaar that the service charge will be a quarterly payment, anyone else been told this?

[Juli Nazarenko]

Dear neighbors,
I am strongly disappointed about the way Emaar has chosen for the handover. Its dishonourable way to trim money from us when the project is not ready. Not to mention about 1,5 year delay and not the best quality, as they promised. I think we must fight against penalties and a last pmnt before orientation tour and snagging. Has anyone written a compliant letter? Please, publish it here! It will be useful for everyone of us in struggle for our rights and money.
Thanks in advance,
YN

BTW, my flat in Sanibel, upper floor, and I hevenot been contacted yet for orientation tour. Till what floor OTours hae just done?

[AppleMac]

I have just been informed by Emaar that the service charge will be a quarterly payment, anyone else been told this?

you have to give them 4 post-dated cheques. The statement you get off the finance department shows exactly how much to make each cheque out for and what dates to put on it.

[Bavarian]

^^

The Service charges are printed out for you by the finance department (handover department are unaware of the service charges) - but obviously you would need to go into the office to collect this.

I think the difference is that you have had orientation - I was talking about those who still have not had it - for us the 30th Nov date is meaningless.

AppleMac,

Emaar either recently hired a bunch of Zombies at the contact center or a senior executive trying to play smart and making a fool of him self in the process.

Thanks for clarifying the Nov 30th concern for people that did not do orientation. Much appreciated.:)

Regards

[AppleMac]

Emaar either recently hired a bunch of Zombies at the contact center or a senior executive trying to play smart and making a fool of him self in the process.


Welcome to Dubai - keep discovering :wink2:

[AppleMac]

DCE's workers packing up for the night after another hard day at the coal face :nuts:

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l212/sids666/P1000276.jpg

[paki979]

just got an email from emaar....they anticipate the snags to be completed by the end of december.

[dirtyharry1]

So another 2 months delay beyond November 30th.

Dubai deserves to go bust.

[Bavarian]

Apple Mac

Dubai-4-Ever :)

[ankaboottx]

According to Emaar Handover and Finance Departments, No payment is due if you have not done orientation. Finance Department has the due date of November 30th, 2009 in their system, since this is the last completion date they have until a new completion date is given to them. But, meanwhile, they say you are not required to make any payment, if you had no orientation for your unit.

Also, for those who concen about insolvency, considering the recent Dubai Wold news, Emaar is not part of Dubai World and almost 70% private. I don't think there is any acute financial problem and no alarm should be raised.

Now, if you own Nakhil on paper, then you really got to be worried!

[dirtyharry1]

No akute financial problems? You better start asking Emaar's contractors and suppliers:-)

I know many of them in my business and they never ever work for Emaar again except on a cash-in-advance-basis.

If I stop my paying my bills I would never have "akute financial problems" either...

[kskumar]

Today at about 1900 hrs I get a call from Emaar. The guy mentioned he wanted to give me an update as i had been persuing them for a feedback. He mentioned that latest by 15th dec they hope to get DEWA connection. Than they will apply for civil defense approval. In the meanwhile Orientation to commence with Genset during daytime. Handover only in Jan 2010. Also he confirmed most Appts are not ready fpr Orientation too. Well it appears Emaar are putting out different versions but the fact remains they are not ready for handover before 2010.

I seriously consider that last instalment payment must be made only if you can movein and live in that place with basic amenities.

[kskumar]

I have just been informed by Emaar that the service charge will be a quarterly payment, anyone else been told this?

YES-- there is a handout available in the Finanace deptt that states that Service charges can be paid quarterly. PDC"c not reqd as per my understanding..

[ankaboottx]

No akute financial problems? You better start asking Emaar's contractors and suppliers:-)

I know many of them in my business and they never ever work for Emaar again except on a cash-in-advance-basis.

If I stop my paying my bills I would never have "akute financial problems" either...

Gee... no i didn't know any contractor or supplier personally, but I'll take your word for it. I am just glad they some how getting them to keep working. In case of Nakhil, Jumeirah heights, the contractor just packed up and left. Even the cranes were removed. :ohno:

Anyway, I think they are still in much better position than Dubai World and Nakhil, which began to worry many of the Emaar investors.:tiasd:

[dirtyharry1]

To be in a better position than Nakheel is easy:-))))) They are finished.

Yes, we should be happy that they somehow will hand over in January.