current dated cheque to cover the service fee dues for the period from the handover date until 31st March 2010. The balance dues for 2010 need to be settled by providing Post Dated Cheques (PDCs) as per the following dates:

01-Apr-2010
01-Jul-2010
01-Oct-2010

looking for a 1 bed, preferably a 04 unit in Blakely. If anyone has, do let me know.

thx

Dear all,

I toured a low floor 2 bedroom in Bonaire this week. Fit and finish are not the luxury high end as sold by Emaar but overall the finish is reasonable. Cooker etc are good brands, tiling in the bathrooms/flooring came out nice.

One thing very apparent was the size did not seem to be the 1248sqft internal as specified. Having lived in a 1250sqft apartment this was in my estimate only around 900 sqft. Project Manager indicated 960sqft internal and said that higher floors would be more spacious as walls were less thick as you go up. Makes sense however hard to imagine they can find another 350sqft in that.

Has anyone actually measured, tape or laser measure, the internal dimensions of a higher floor (10th floor and above) 2 bed and what was the result.

three putt

Again....from my experience, there would be extra charge, so called "chilled water" which means a/c.
For south ridge apartment in Downtown Burj Dubai, besides AED 15.93/sqf maintenance fee, there is extra charge for "chilled water" AED 8.75/sqf, which sums up AED 24.68/sqf.
As far as I know, maintenance charges differ by project, so not sure about Park Island but prepare yourself for not being shocked when they mention extra charge.

Again....from my experience, there would be extra charge, so called "chilled water" which means a/c.
For south ridge apartment in Downtown Burj Dubai, besides AED 15.93/sqf maintenance fee, there is extra charge for "chilled water" AED 8.75/sqf, which sums up AED 24.68/sqf.
As far as I know, maintenance charges differ by project, so not sure about Park Island but prepare yourself for not being shocked when they mention extra charge.

Just checked with Emaar, there is no charge for "chilled water" in Dubai Marina.

Dear all,

I toured a low floor 2 bedroom in Bonaire this week. Fit and finish are not the luxury high end as sold by Emaar but overall the finish is reasonable. Cooker etc are good brands, tiling in the bathrooms/flooring came out nice.

One thing very apparent was the size did not seem to be the 1248sqft internal as specified. Having lived in a 1250sqft apartment this was in my estimate only around 900 sqft. Project Manager indicated 960sqft internal and said that higher floors would be more spacious as walls were less thick as you go up. Makes sense however hard to imagine they can find another 350sqft in that.

Has anyone actually measured, tape or laser measure, the internal dimensions of a higher floor (10th floor and above) 2 bed and what was the result.

three putt

three put

I thought the same when i did the orientation on my apt but as Emaar measure their units on a gross external method, i.e. all walls internal and external are included in the size, then this is the reason why i had expected it to be bigger. Perhaps your previous apt you lived in was measured on a net internal area where all the wall are excluded from the area.

Dear all,

I toured a low floor 2 bedroom in Bonaire this week. Fit and finish are not the luxury high end as sold by Emaar but overall the finish is reasonable. Cooker etc are good brands, tiling in the bathrooms/flooring came out nice.

One thing very apparent was the size did not seem to be the 1248sqft internal as specified. Having lived in a 1250sqft apartment this was in my estimate only around 900 sqft. Project Manager indicated 960sqft internal and said that higher floors would be more spacious as walls were less thick as you go up. Makes sense however hard to imagine they can find another 350sqft in that.

Has anyone actually measured, tape or laser measure, the internal dimensions of a higher floor (10th floor and above) 2 bed and what was the result.

three putt

I seriously suggests you get someone to measure correctly your apartment. That's all we need now. Late delivery and shrinken apartments. The teory of walls getting thiner going up is the most idiotic excuse I ever heard. It's not a castle what they built. Or maybe the walls got thiner because they ran out of money?

I think it is almost impossible that an apt of 1248 sqf came out of 900 sqf!! Are you sure about that? a 2 bedroom became a 1 bedroom....so I guess a 1 bedroom is like a studio!

According to a Cluttons’ Indicative Pricing Exercise Index, charting the percentage change in median per square foot sales price from January 2008 to December 2009 across a select number of residential areas, residential prices peaked in the middle of 2008, gaining on average 38 per cent in value between January and August 2008. The best performing areas were Jumeirah Village increasing by 68 per cent, Emaar Dubai Marina (46 per cent), Emirates Living (48 per cent), Arabian Ranches (38 per cent), Business Bay (37 per cent) and Downtown Burj Khalifa (34 per cent) over the same period.

Report:
http://www.business24-7.ae/Articles/2010/1/Pages/Loanseaseoncompletedprojects.aspx

Guys, your appartments will most likely be smaller (rather than larger) than calculated by Emaar - and you cannot do anything about it since in your contracts it is clearly stated (below the floorplans) that the actual floorplans may differ... in many civilized countries this tolerance is limited to 3% but not in this purely customer-orientated place:-)

On the other hand, PI will be a nice development, much better than average in the Marina, so look forward to receive your keys soon and forget about all the hassle in the past. I know, the last days and weeks are long and hard, but once you have your keys and sorted out the remaining snaggings, you will be happy and laughing about the long way to go there...

Guys, your appartments will most likely be smaller (rather than larger) than calculated by Emaar - and you cannot do anything about it since in your contracts it is clearly stated (below the floorplans) that the actual floorplans may differ... in many civilized countries this tolerance is limited to 3% but not in this purely customer-orientated place:-)

On the other hand, PI will be a nice development, much better than average in the Marina, so look forward to receive your keys soon and forget about all the hassle in the past. I know, the last days and weeks are long and hard, but once you have your keys and sorted out the remaining snaggings, you will be happy and laughing about the long way to go there...

yes it could be smaller of course...but not 30% smaller as threeputt stated

Hamptons International. Open day, Marina Quays. Jan 29 and 30. Might be worth a look at the apartment sizes there.

Hamptons International. Open day, Marina Quays. Jan 29 and 30. Might be worth a look at the apartment sizes there.

It also might be worth taking a look at the complete development regarding the quality and extras etc, and see how Hamptons International value the units there. Also how they view the PI development. Hamtons is owned by Emaar.

Yes, they are permanently in the Quays, asking everybody in the lifts whether they want to rent and distributing flyers every day that they are the best in their job and specialists for the Quays. Most probably they will do the same at PI once the first units have been handed over.

According to them the rental market for appartments in the Marina and from Emaar is currently the best within Dubai... and every day I am receiving calls from agents that want to rent out my appartment. I wonder how this will change with the expected oversupply this year in the Marina.

Gross External Area (GEA) is generally used for planning application purposes and so forth but not for individual unit sales which are normally based upon net internal area or wall center to wall center on the external walls of the apartment (not the building) and this second method would include the internal walls. Emaar contract does not specify method of measurement as far as i can see, simply stating "comprising 1248 feet".

This apartment was on the 5th floor, an 01 or an 02. As far as i can find on the internet the sqft on the floor plans is the same for all 01-02 2 beds on all floors, 1248 sqft, but if anyone has one on a lower floor and it is a smaller area that may explain it. Please advise. And if not then that will explain why they were trying so hard to get the final payment in before showing homeowners their property.

I will attempt to discuss with Emaar on Sunday and inshallah all will be revealed. If that proves to be what is being presented as 1248 sqft then i am shocked and disheartened at their audacity. I wasn't able to get a straight answer on the tour as the Emaar representatives did not even know what size the apartments were supposed to be and and contractors representative feigned ignorance.

three putt

29/January/2010

Park Island

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Gross External Area (GEA) is generally used for planning application purposes and so forth but not for individual unit sales which are normally based upon net internal area or wall center to wall center on the external walls of the apartment (not the building) and this second method would include the internal walls. Emaar contract does not specify method of measurement as far as i can see, simply stating "comprising 1248 feet".

This apartment was on the 5th floor, an 01 or an 02. As far as i can find on the internet the sqft on the floor plans is the same for all 01-02 2 beds on all floors, 1248 sqft, but if anyone has one on a lower floor and it is a smaller area that may explain it. Please advise. And if not then that will explain why they were trying so hard to get the final payment in before showing homeowners their property.

I will attempt to discuss with Emaar on Sunday and inshallah all will be revealed. If that proves to be what is being presented as 1248 sqft then i am shocked and disheartened at their audacity. I wasn't able to get a straight answer on the tour as the Emaar representatives did not even know what size the apartments were supposed to be and and contractors representative feigned ignorance.

three putt

Thanks threeputt, i found the following link on the subject very useful.

I think that the ethical values of a company is it's last line of defense against image and brand distruction. For Emaar, greed has overpowered
all business ethics. What's amazing is that they keep missing so many
opportunities to show good will to their customers, to at least help preserve what is left the "brand image".

Regards

http://www.voa.gov.uk/business_rates/comp/index.htm

Gross External Area (GEA) is generally used for planning application purposes and so forth but not for individual unit sales which are normally based upon net internal area or wall center to wall center on the external walls of the apartment (not the building) and this second method would include the internal walls. Emaar contract does not specify method of measurement as far as i can see, simply stating "comprising 1248 feet".

This apartment was on the 5th floor, an 01 or an 02. As far as i can find on the internet the sqft on the floor plans is the same for all 01-02 2 beds on all floors, 1248 sqft, but if anyone has one on a lower floor and it is a smaller area that may explain it. Please advise. And if not then that will explain why they were trying so hard to get the final payment in before showing homeowners their property.

I will attempt to discuss with Emaar on Sunday and inshallah all will be revealed. If that proves to be what is being presented as 1248 sqft then i am shocked and disheartened at their audacity. I wasn't able to get a straight answer on the tour as the Emaar representatives did not even know what size the apartments were supposed to be and and contractors representative feigned ignorance.

three putt

The way the area is calculated is defined in my purchase agreement. Its states that its to the mid point of wall between apartments, the external face of outside facing elevation and to the outside face of the wall to communal corridor. This is, in effect, the gross external area (GEA) method.

The way the area is calculated is defined in my purchase agreement. Its states that its to the mid point of wall between apartments, the external face of outside facing elevation and to the outside face of the wall to communal corridor. This is in effect gross external area method.

Are the balconys included as part of the area that is used to calculate the service fees or is that just the internal area minus the balcony area ?

Are the balconys included as part of the area that is used to calculate the service fees or is that just the internal area minus the balcony area ?

no - balcony's are not included

In Royal Oceanic, and I believe in general apparently, balconies ARE included in service charge AND in aircon/chiller charges(even though logically I think they shouldn't be).
Why should balconies be in service and in chiller charges ?

^^

Your right, in most developments service charges are calculated on the gross sqf of the unit.

This will typicaly include the units balcony and its share of the buildings communal areas as well.

If some developments are not calculating service charges on gross area yet, then they soon will be I'm sure. Emaar, Nakheel, DP etc could use the income I'm sure.

It doesn't really make any difference if you calculate on gross areas or net areas - if you exclude balconies etc then they simply up the price per sq/ft to get the required income.

The way the area is calculated is defined in my purchase agreement. Its states that its to the mid point of wall between apartments, the external face of outside facing elevation and to the outside face of the wall to communal corridor. This is, in effect, the gross external area (GEA) method.


Sellbydate you are quite correct. Its in the contract and essentially GEA method. Contract also includes a provision for price reduction if measured area is less than 97% of that specified. Measuring the external facing wall on the 20th floor might however be a bit of a challenge. Will start with the NIA and think about it...apartments and houses always look smaller than they are until they are furnished....

I called EMAAR yesterday. They're expecting the Civil Defence people to visit PI on January 8th, the guy over the phone was not so optimistic about the results from this visit. He mentioned that he's expecting the whole thing to be ready by end of Feb : (

I asked them if I can in the meantime start shifting some of my stuff to my apartment, they told me that this was possible and that an appointment is needed for this purpose with EMAAR...this might be a good idea for some of you

sorry, I meant February 8th

sorry, I meant February 8th

Was at the site yesterday. Its coming together nicely, the common areas look good (much better spec and finish than MQ), they were finishing off the pool area etc. None of my snags have been rectified as yet - the Emaar rep said that this is the case generally until the have CD approval - he thinks that is a good few weeks away yet.

Realistically chaps, I think March before you get to move in. Possibly April. But hey, we've waited long enough - left them finish it properly.

It will turn out nice.

Was at the site yesterday. Its coming together nicely, the common areas look good (much better spec and finish than MQ), they were finishing off the pool area etc. None of my snags have been rectified as yet - the Emaar rep said that this is the case generally until the have CD approval - he thinks that is a good few weeks away yet.

Realistically chaps, I think March before you get to move in. Possibly April. But hey, we've waited long enough - left them finish it properly.

It will turn out nice.

I agree :)

It doesn't really make any difference if you calculate on gross areas or net areas - if you exclude balconies etc then they simply up the price per sq/ft to get the required income.

AppleMac, you're absolutely right: it doesn't matter what method they use as it is essentially a way to divide up the total amount of costs to run the building by the owners. Remember: you are owners of the building and have a voice in the services you will want in the building and what the budget will be. If you want to reduce your services, and reduce your maintenance, you can, provided you can get your neighbors to agree with you. But keep in mind that if you eliminate your maintenance fees, your building will depreciate in value faster and you could create significant risks if certain critical things like elevators are not maintained. It is up to the owners what they want to do. And the square footage is just a way to figure out how much each owner pays.

Sellbydate you are quite correct. Its in the contract and essentially GEA method. Contract also includes a provision for price reduction if measured area is less than 97% of that specified. Measuring the external facing wall on the 20th floor might however be a bit of a challenge. Will start with the NIA and think about it...apartments and houses always look smaller than they are until they are furnished....

Threeputt
As you, i am not convinced that my apt is as large as i expected but as you say, an empty apt always looks smaller without any furniture it. However, when i move in i shall get the measuring tape out and calculator to get an exact size...won't be easy with the weird angles in some parts of the apt! To be honest though, i don't think the size will differ greatly.

Hi

This is a new issue.

Emaar requires bank draft in AED for deed registration, payable to Dubai Land Department, and does not accept wire transfer of the fees to their account. I am a non rsident of Dubai. The banks in Canada do not issue AED drafts. Bank staff suggest to take a US $ draft to Dubai, encash/convert the proceeds to AED, and ask the bank to prepare a bank draft in the name of DLD. Would the bank faciltate AED draft for a non resident? Can a member suggest as what would be the best way to handle the problem?

sorry, I meant February 8th

Would you share with us the status of the CD clearance of the Park Island Towers after 8 February?

Would you share with us the status of the CD clearance of the Park Island Towers after 8 February?

As of today, Emaar has stated they expect the CD by this week or next. If the CD observes any issues, then Emaar will need to rectify and then arrange for re-inspection. Apparently, this happened at one of the other developments (MQ?), where one or two of the towers needed remedial work, but Emaar was able to begin handing over properties in the other towers that passed the inspection. I suppose it depends on how serious the issues are.

Hi

This is a new issue.

Emaar requires bank draft in AED for deed registration, payable to Dubai Land Department, and does not accept wire transfer of the fees to their account. I am a non rsident of Dubai. The banks in Canada do not issue AED drafts. Bank staff suggest to take a US $ draft to Dubai, encash/convert the proceeds to AED, and ask the bank to prepare a bank draft in the name of DLD. Would the bank faciltate AED draft for a non resident? Can a member suggest as what would be the best way to handle the problem?


EMIRATES BANK open the account for non-resident in dubai.
r u from toronto?

As of today, Emaar has stated they expect the CD by this week or next.

Would this be the same Emaar who said they expected this projected to be handed over last November? :bash:

I hate Emaar now. I hateeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. :wallbash:

Welcome to the club:-)

Anybody left who likes them??

They have upset too many customers in Marina.

At one time Emaar were the best. They have lost the race.

Now I’ll put them level with or even behind Select properties.

I hate Emaar now. I hateeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. :wallbash:

To say the least they have cheated us -- and we are in a country where we can do nothing about it..:bash:

Anyone heard if the CD approval is any closer since yesterday's visit?

Emaar still have me down for a handover date on the 15th Feb and orientation towards the end of the month. I said to them last week is that not the wrong way round? to which i received the normal standard reply....."you are on the priority list blah blah blah end of February"

I said can you confirm then that the 15th Feb date i received in Jan has now been canceled and can you give me another date so i can book the removal company that have had by furniture in storage for the last 4 months?...........no answer

at least the hotel is cheap and Bur Dubai is not to bad this time of year ;-)

good luck all and if anyone has actually had a orientation recently please post any updated photos of the gym/pool area?

I got a call from them just now, the Civil Defence people didn't attend to the meeting they scheduled early this week, they're expecting them now by end of the week.....

I am tired of Emaar and their lies. All I want is an honest answer about an orientation date. I go there each week and get the same response: Orientation starts next week, you should recieve a call regarding this. Nonsense, Weeks later, still no call about orientation. They are a bunch of liars. Honesty and transparency obviously don't exist in their vocabulary.

Same for me Tasy. I think Emaar has tried and used every possible method of deception. . Emaar because of greed managed to reduce it self to one of those "cash hungy start-up" that is poorly managed. True what they say "the taller they are the harder they fall".

Regards


I am tired of Emaar and their lies. All I want is an honest answer about an orientation date. I go there each week and get the same response: Orientation starts next week, you should recieve a call regarding this. Nonsense, Weeks later, still no call about orientation. They are a bunch of liars. Honesty and transparency obviously don't exist in their vocabulary.

Frm two days a go any one before handover first should be register for Land Department and colect Title Deed, after go for Handover.
also registeration for all property is 2% now.

Yesm but only if you bought in 2008 or later. This is another joke and only proofs that Dubai Government is totally bankrupt and finished. If the market is already dead, how can you double the fees? Unbelievable bunch of idiots organising the funeral of Dubai step by step.

Yesterday I finally inspected my apartment for the first time since my Home Orientation was scheduled here. I have an apartment in the Fairfield building and I would like to share all the information I could get out of the EMAAR representative and the experience itself with you. Please note that I'm only passing the info on that I collected yesterday, I have no way of knowing if the information will acttually stick.

Furthermore I have never been to a handover before so I didn't know what to expect or what to compare it with.
EMAAR had received the last payment before the home orientation was done (actually this was by mistake, but this is a completely different story).

First the positive points:
- Fantastic veiw from my apartment over the Marina. Nothing to obstruct the view and there is lots of light in the whole apart.
- Very professional and kind representative from EMAAR. I thought that I would fight with him over each defect and that he would rush me through the home orientation process, but this was not the case. He found several defects himself that I overlooked and noted these down on the list. I even got more than an hour in the apartment since I wasn't finished analyzing the apartment after the scheduled time. (But let's see how it goes later when we have to discuss the defects...)
- I had a chance to see the common areas.
- Etisalat PICO cells were installed in the building but not activated. PICO sells boosts the cellular signal so that we will get got reception inside the building. Didn't see any DU logo's around so this might be restricted to Etisalat clients only?
- There was electricity in the building, and a little water (could flush a couple of toilets until the water ran out).

Negtive sides:
- Hallways (near escalators) are narrow and the wood fixings on the wall is a mixture of dark and light wood (as another member on the forum mentioned). I don't like it, but a woman who was with me thought it was nice, so I guess it's a matter of opinion.
- I can confirm that the pool area is very small. I can not see how people living in the 4 towers can share such a small pool area, but let's see. Maybe only very few people wants to visit the pool area at the same time?
- I saw two squash courts and they are FAR from finished. One court was just a big open space, and the other one had a single person working on it, laying down the floor in it. But it is definately in its initial stage.
- Didn't see the gym (forgot to ask).
- Now to the apartment. Generally speaking I must say I was dissapointed about the quality. It was definately below the standards I had hoped - with many defect. On my list alone, I counted over 100 defects which took me two hours to find. I had two freinds helping me examining the apartment and I definately recommend taking a friend or similar with you to look through the apartment.
- Examples of defects: ceiling plates defect (and falling down), rails on the balcony not mounted in the wall, rust on sink and oven door, doors on cabinets out of alignment, tiles not evenly placed and cracked/chipped, etc.
- But the most serious defect are all the scratches and markings everywhere. Especially on the window frames since here I don't know how they are going to rectify the problems (I think these are difficult to paint)? When I saw my apartment for the first time, my initial thought was that someone had been living here for a year or more.
- I have taken many pictures inside the apartment (of all the defects) but I haven't uploaded them here, since I don't think it would be interesting for everyone.
- I was also a little suprised about the sq.ft. area. The apartment looked smaller than I had estimated but I'm not suspecting that they are smaller than EMAAR promised.
- The EMAAR representative told me that the available area was the same in each similar apartment (no thicker walls, on the lower apartments as one member of the forum implied).
- I told the EMAAR representative that I had heard the service charge was the 18.67 AED/sq.ft. previously mentioned on this forum and he wsa very suprised? He said that this figure had not been determined yet. The 18.67 is for the Marina Quays.
- The Civil (defence?) had just recently given an ok for one of the buildings in Park Island to be finished. It was one of the buildings closest to the road, not the Fairfield or Bonaire.
- I talked with the EMAAR representative (who told me he had been working for EMAAR for seven years) in regards to when a REALISTIC handover could be done for Fairfield. I emphasized that I would rather have a realistic date than hearing it would be finished "tomorrow". His best guess was handover in three months from now.
- The reception is still under construction.
- The elevators are still under construction (we had to walk down, but could take the lift up).
- There is a lot of security on site. We were stopped several times and asked what purpose we had in the building.

That's it from my side.
If you have any questions I haven't covered I will be glad to elaborate on the issues.

PS: Just want to use this opportunity to thank everyone for the updated status and pictures from the sites (over the years). Without this I wouldn't have had any idea of how the PI complex was progressing.

Thanks for the great report speedpete!
It will be interesting to see if they take the snag list seriously and repair all defects before handover...

Emaar finally contacted me 2 days ago to shedule the orientation visit for next week (Bonaire) so Tasy you will probably be contacted soon too.

Here an interesting article which confirms many of this forum's theories...

http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=592213

Hi Speedpete,

Thank you for the detailed information. I had a very cordial and nice Emaar rep too during my orientation, and i certainly gave him much trust to write defects the way they were. But, after the orienation, I was not happy with the way he wrote the list, most of what was written was pollish this, clean that, paint this or remove scratch from that. These statements will fix 30% of snags, the rest will never be done by Emaar.

So for those who did not do the orientation yet, i suggest you agree on what the rep. will write and check what he wrote. Given Emaar's deception schemes probably even the 30% will heve to be paid by owners to get fixed, regardless of what is written.

Frm two days a go any one before handover first should be register for Land Department and colect Title Deed, after go for Handover.
also registeration for all property is 2% now.

Is it new development which Emaar has not communicated to us?

the civil defence people attended yesterday to Blakely, it looks like this is going to be the first building to be handed over...

when so many details about units it is better at least post one poto!

when so many details about units it is better at least post one poto!

Hi Bavarian,

I agree that the chance of EMAAR repairing everything on the list is close to zero, but I guess we can't do anymore at this time?
I actually agreed with the EMAAR representative to forward MY list which was not edited by EMAAR to them by email, the same evening. But hoping that this will solve all my defect is naive. We can only hope for the best?

To Advlive: I will try to upload some photos soon, but it only shows defects. No good "overview" pictures of the apart.

No news? :mad2:

^^

No - I take it that my appointment for handover tomorrow is not going to happen :ohno:

AppleMac you're right
Today I receive this information from Emaar:
CD didn't come neither in Blakely tower, maybe this week.
Snags and defects removal for who completed home orientation not yet finished
Emaar will send another handover letter as soon as they will receive authorization from quality control department, but not before 27th/28th of February (for Blakely).
Obviously maintenance fees and land registration must be paid before handover :ohno:

"patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet....."

ok everyone today I went to the offices of emaar and had a talk to the hand over department. This is what they had to say, I was given a handover appointment previously on the 23rd of feb, however they said today handover should be completed by the end of the month if not 1st week of march.

Subsequently I then got into the car and drove down to the project to confront the project manager face to face, he said to me that Civil defence visited blakely last week and this week would be going to sanibel. He said that maximum by 1st week to 2nd week of march I would be in my sanibel apartment.

He also mentioned that blakely would be handed over first sanibel second then fairfield.

So this may answer a few of the questions from those whom had posted.

I must say as well I spoke to the same project manager at the start of december and he assured me then that it was all going to be complete by the end of december.

So now I dont believe anything more that they say. If I was the project manager I would be completely embarassed to make bold statements as he has done if clearly he cannot deliver those promises on time.

I have only just bought and am frustrated but I very much sympathise for those people who had bought some time ago and had to carry all the lies that emaar has fed them.

Anyway I can see we are at least close to handover

Take my word for it, PI will not be handed over until at least March 2010. This is not me guessing, this is a fact from the inside! A VERY good source from the inside! You deserve to know.
Hate to say it guys..

Congrats on a great project! :)

^^

No - I take it that my appointment for handover tomorrow is not going to happen :ohno:

Hi AppleMac,

Any Courtecy call from Emaar yet.? In case you already have your keys, celebration drinks are on me. :)

I got a call from Emaar, work on my snag list has not started, they will call me with an update by February-end. Let's hope for the best.

Regards

Please tell me somebody else has a different opinion thoughts as per above posts and being a low level apartment owner of Bonaire (appartently the last tower to be complete) i will not be able to handover until at least 3 or 4 months time (June or July??)

If this is the case then i am completely appalled; how can Emmar accept the final payment in December and not hand a property over until June/July? (7 months). This does not happen in any other country and assume it must be illegal in some way?

like many people her i am paying a morgage every month without a property and also paying hotel bills and storage fees. based on 6 months since final payment the above will be far in excess of AED100k therefore i am going to have to hire legal advice to try and recoup some of my expences.

Any suggestions who would might be able to help?

Based on the above

Hi AppleMac,

Any Courtecy call from Emaar yet.? In case you already have your keys, celebration drinks are on me. :)


Courtesy call? - this is Emaar we are talking about :lol:

I have never had any calls from Emaar - everything relies on me going to the customer service office.

Still not much work ongoing on site so doubt much chance of any handovers before the end of March at the earliest - Fairfield has many windows removed now and they haven't even started on Bonaire.

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If this is the case then i am completely appalled; how can Emmar accept the final payment in December and not hand a property over until June/July? (7 months).

Basically, like every other part of the government here, Emaar are broke.



This does not happen in any other country and assume it must be illegal in some way?

There are no laws here to protect you from the government - it is not a democracy.

I have now resigned myself to the fact that we are dealing with a bunch of rogues.

Being tired of going into Emaar offices only to be told the same lies, I decided to email them. The promised reply within 48 hours is still outstanding. I sent a second email and am still awaiting a response.

I now officially give up. They will hand over if and when they choose. I can't do this to myself anymore. I am tired and officially give up. :bash:

Thanks AppleMac

I have been told i am not allowed to make an official complaint without a lawyer - I have managed to obtain the services of the local arabic lawyer that the company i work for use. Thus i am going to give it a go and at least ask Emaar to contact the bank to repay the final payment until the real handover date arrives!

will let you guys know if i get anywhere, but am not holding my breath.

As grim as things appear at the moment, we're in a storm, the only way is to ride it out, look on the bright side the project is at least 95% complete.

I guess with Park Island is a question of "when?" while with some projects its a matter of "if?". Emaar will finish, too costly for them not too.

Emaar cannot be trusted on what they say. We all need to continuosly keep up the pressure at their Emaar Business Park office and also at the site interacting with the Site Manager.
I guess we must become an unmanageable nuisance to them till they deliver -- That's the only way to protect our interests.

I would like to install a shower half-glass screen for my bathroom and possibly install wood flooring in my Bonaire unit.

Can you guys recommend any good quality contractors / service providers here in Dubai?

Thanks!

and possibly install wood flooring in my Bonaire unit.


I'd wait until next winter to be sure that your unit doesn't leak when it rains.

I'd wait until next winter to be sure that your unit doesn't leak when it rains.

Applemac you def have a point!

Anyway, can anyone tell me the best way to post / upload pics? I just did my orientation today and would love to post them!

tinypic, chose 15 inches screen and then upload, then copy the link into the window here (not the foto itself).

Yes, good advice, wait until you have moved in and live there a while, ther are several possiblities where you can have a leakage... i.e. blocked drainage from A/C, blocked drainage from washing machine, leaking pipes, leaking dishwasher connection etc...

Hey everyone; just did my orientation today and just wanted to share some pics HERE (http://s753.photobucket.com/albums/xx179/christian875/Park%20Island/?albumview=slideshow). Sorry for the slideshow link..kind of tired to post pics individually.

Just a quick note, quality was just ok--lots of minor issues. I put the overall quality below Promenade but quite pleased for the most part. Initially i thought the pool was a bit small (from other pics) but wasn't so bad after seeing it in person. Anyway, just let me know if you guys have any questions!

Cheers!

Hey everyone; just did my orientation today and just wanted to share some pics HERE (http://s753.photobucket.com/albums/xx179/christian875/Park%20Island/?albumview=slideshow). Sorry for the slideshow link..kind of tired to post pics individually.

Just a quick note, quality was just ok--lots of minor issues. I put the overall quality below Promenade but quite pleased for the most part. Initially i thought the pool was a bit small (from other pics) but wasn't so bad after seeing it in person. Anyway, just let me know if you guys have any questions!

Cheers!

Grt job. Thanks for the photos..At least we can be assured that the project will be eventually delivered. Hv you been given a Handover date. Any news on CD approvals>>Which tower did you visit>>

Hey everyone; just did my orientation today and just wanted to share some pics HERE (http://s753.photobucket.com/albums/xx179/christian875/Park%20Island/?albumview=slideshow). Sorry for the slideshow link..kind of tired to post pics individually.

Great pictures thanks for posting - what floor are you on as I think we might be neighbors.

If so please keep the noise down. :wink2:

nice pictures christian875, did you get any info regarding the CD certificates?

Great photos Chrisitan875, it looks like you have one of the better finished units from what i have seen so far in the forum,,, congratulations :)

@kskumar, enriquedubai2 - no specific handover date was given but the EMAAR representative told me that the Bonaire Tower will be the last tower to be handed over which she to be around April. I can't speak for the other towers but the Bonaire tower has a long way to go (ie finishing in common areas, hallways etc). I think a May handover for Bonaire is more realistic IMO.

And I'm sorry but what are the CD Certificates? But no..no mention of them.

@AppleMac - will do! but it's going to be awhile until anyone moves in i think ..and i'm on the 14th floor!

@Bavarian - thanks! the apt was not perfect but it was definitely in better shape than i expected based on some of the other orientation descriptions posted here.

CD= Civil Defence, EMAAR will not start the handover of the towers without this certificate

@AppleMac - will do! but it's going to be awhile until anyone moves in i think ..and i'm on the 14th floor!


Ah - one above me. So no dancing then :ohno:

CD= Civil Defence, EMAAR will not start the handover of the towers without this certificate

no mention of that at all..i need to get in contact with EMAAR again later today and i'll make sure to inquire about it.

...but the EMAAR representative told me that the Bonaire Tower will be the last tower to be handed over which she to be around April....

And Bonaire was the first tower to be sold! So, people in from the beginning have had an extra long wait!

christian875, thanks for the fanastic pictures and the updates!

I'm really keen to see what will happen when the CD certificate is issued. Some, who have carried out their inspection visit, may elect to take their units "as is" and trust Emaar to fix the snags during the warranty period. Will Emaar then begin moving people in? It wil be a balance between continuing to pay hotel and storage charges or simpy move in and deal with it in situ.

christian875, thanks for the fanastic pictures - do you think Bonaire owners can move in while other blocks are moving in i.e. together or will they wait until one block is completely finished before they start on the next tower?

Your apartment look liveable to me and if mine is the same i want to be in asap.

thanks again

Was scheduled for this week but when i sent a rep there they informed it was not ready. Luckily i didn't take a flight to Dxb for this. They never bothered to inform me or reply to my email.

I read in this forum in the past about registration of the property is not necessary if it was purchased before 2007. Now I have been informed that it is a pre-requisite. Appreciate if someone can clarify this.

Was scheduled for this week but when i sent a rep there they informed it was not ready. Luckily i didn't take a flight to Dxb for this. They never bothered to inform me or reply to my email.

I read in this forum in the past about registration of the property is not necessary if it was purchased before 2007. Now I have been informed that it is a pre-requisite. Appreciate if someone can clarify this.

I can confirm this. Each owner must now apply to the land department and show evidence of the application to Emaar as a pre-requisite to handover.The 2% must be paid in full for the application process to take place and it is accross the board, regardless of purchase date. Exceptions can be made for international owners that are required to stay in their units while applying, i think it ranges between 1-3 weeks. Those given exceptions are required to sign a guarantee letter with Emaar that they will complete the application within the agreed period. You may want to apply for the exception with Emaar if you are not a resident of Dubai.

Would they lock people out or shut down utilities if people don't apply in time.? :nuts:

Thx Bavarian.

Also for those living overseas, the new rules are coming hard and fast:

Authorization on behalf of owner
1. ORIGINAL ‘Certificate of Completion of Payment’.
2. ORIGINAL Power of Attorney or Notarized Letter of authorization from all owners.
3. Passport copy of all owners.
4. ORIGINAL Passport or recognized Government Photo ID of authorized
representative.

Note: All notarized letters of authority must be attested by Dubai Courts or if you are living overseas, to be notarized by the UAE embassy in the country of origin and by the Department of Foreign Affairs in the UAE.

Hi Guys,
I did my orientation last week and was given my customer home orientation pack plus a copy of the snag list , can anyone tell me what I should do next, i.e. wait till they fix the snags, go to Emaar office and pay pre-registration etc ? Any advice would be appreciated, I am in Muscat at the moment so time management is important.

Hi Guys,
I did my orientation last week and was given my customer home orientation pack plus a copy of the snag list , can anyone tell me what I should do next, i.e. wait till they fix the snags, go to Emaar office and pay pre-registration etc ? Any advice would be appreciated, I am in Muscat at the moment so time management is important.

I would suggest:

1 Wait until the Civil Defense Certificate is issued (no one will be able to move in until this is available)
2 Decide whether you are happy to move in even if the snags are not yet complete (they will be dealt with during the one year warranty period)
3 Complete the handover process (pay balance, pay registration fees, pay maintenance charges, etc.)
4 Buy a bottle of your favourite tipple and move in :-)

christian875, thanks for the fanastic pictures - do you think Bonaire owners can move in while other blocks are moving in i.e. together or will they wait until one block is completely finished before they start on the next tower?

Your apartment look liveable to me and if mine is the same i want to be in asap.

thanks again

I highly doubt it---even though my unit looked liveable, the hallways / common areas for my floor were just a mess. I just don't see EMAAR releasing one block until the common areas are at least complete which unfortunately may not be until April / early May :ohno:

I would suggest:

1 Wait until the Civil Defense Certificate is issued (no one will be able to move in until this is available)
2 Decide whether you are happy to move in even if the snags are not yet complete (they will be dealt with during the one year warranty period)
3 Complete the handover process (pay balance, pay registration fees, pay maintenance charges, etc.)
4 Buy a bottle of your favourite tipple and move in :-)

Thanks Celtic warrior, that's good advice. I've got the bottle already, I'm a mid floor Bonarian, I'll give you a bell if it happens.

Hello All,

I'm looking for a 1 bed, can you help me out in finding out which of them is known to be the best? Thanks.

Yesm but only if you bought in 2008 or later. This is another joke and only proofs that Dubai Government is totally bankrupt and finished. If the market is already dead, how can you double the fees? Unbelievable bunch of idiots organising the funeral of Dubai step by step.

Are you sure about this, where can i find official information concerning that the new registration fees apply for properties bought after 2008? I bought my property in 2006 and Amlak just increased the registration fees from the 1.25% on the mortgaged amount to 2% of the contracted amount and an additional .25% on the mortgaged amount (if there is a mortgage)

Hi Guys,

i have an appointment to do an orientation this wednesday for my 904 at Fairfield, i have never done this before so am not sure what a snag list is. Does anyone have a checklist to do a successful snag list? i mean in that one hour, there might be things that i should look for but might overlook. so is there like a check list than can help me look for all the important things?

many thanks to all, i will definitely take lots of pictures and post them for all to see.

cheers:)

Hi Guys,

i have an appointment to do an orientation this wednesday for my 904 at Fairfield, i have never done this before so am not sure what a snag list is. Does anyone have a checklist to do a successful snag list? i mean in that one hour, there might be things that i should look for but might overlook. so is there like a check list than can help me look for all the important things?

many thanks to all, i will definitely take lots of pictures and post them for all to see.

cheers:)

rnqubain,

they will have a list and will provide you a copy; just make sure you check everything! Open drawers, switches, etc as you will find plenty of minor issues.

Guys, need your input, can you please tell me which of the 1 beds you recommend?Thanks.

What do want? Marina view? sea view? Balcony? largest square foot?

Bit more info would be good?

Thanks Apple, Ideally a combination of Marina and Sea, doesn't have to be the largest.


More sepcific questions:

How would you compare Bonnaire 06 to Sanibel 01, in terms of views?

Do you think Sanibel 06 will have a sea view?Starting from what floor up?

What do you think about Blakely 04? Will it get good Marina views through the gap? Any chance of sea views?

How would you compare Bonnaire 06 to Sanibel 01, in terms of views?

Personally (and I admit to bias as I bought in Bonaire) I would say that Bonaire 6 had the better view - directly over the pool area and waterfront.

Sanibel will have a decent view down marina but plot alongside not complete so will get building noise for who knows how long.

Do you think Sanibel 06 will have a sea view?Starting from what floor up?

Doubtful - directly behind JBR so any sea views will be only be a glimpse

What do you think about Blakely 04? Will it get good Marina views through the gap? Any chance of sea views?

Marina view will be OK - decent sea view from higher floors directly Over the top of Meridien hotel - although there are 2 new devopments to come that will block some of that view.


The best 1 bed for sea view will probably be a high floor Bonaire 4 - that will look directly down the road between JBR and TGR - but will very little Marina view.

Guys, need your input, can you please tell me which of the 1 beds you recommend?Thanks.

I'll recommend you the big ones (1052 sq ft), the distribution of this unit will allow you to have a second bedroom (closing one side of the kitchen and installing an small door), the only problem is that the view is not as nice as the other units : (

Thanks Guys,

Apple, I see your point about the Bonnaire 06, seeing the Marina along with the pool and community areas is attractive compared to just the Marina but your right to say that Sanibel 01 would have extended views down the Marina, I would also rather look at the Address and Silverene(should have interesting lighting with those lines cutting across the facades). But yes, the future construction on the front plot and the bikes, cars and other noise polution from the proximity of the street should disturb sleep.

Enrique, I think the Blakely 04 should be a good option, 1052 sqft plus decent views down the marina throught the gap and the temporary sea views as Apple mentioned.

I think I'm gonna narrow it down to these 3 for now.

Do you guys know in what order handover will be taking place?

Are you sure about this, where can i find official information concerning that the new registration fees apply for properties bought after 2008? I bought my property in 2006 and Amlak just increased the registration fees from the 1.25% on the mortgaged amount to 2% of the contracted amount and an additional .25% on the mortgaged amount (if there is a mortgage)

Am told by Emaar today that the cost of registration would be 1.5% of the original price as my contract is dated end 2005. Guess they are charging everybody the fees irrespective of the contract date. Only the % varies.

Hi all, would like to share my point as a owner of a 1 bed in sanibel ( 04 ) 1052 sqft unit very high floor. I have views of the marina and unobstructed views of the palm and the atlantis and ocean. I can definately say the view cannot be built out and am very pleased of my decision to purchase this unit.

However it all comes down to personal taste and what you were looking for at the time when you made the investment. For me was the size and view and as we know the 04 units are the largest 1 bed at park island.

Thanks Guys,

Apple, I see your point about the Bonnaire 06, seeing the Marina along with the pool and community areas is attractive compared to just the Marina but your right to say that Sanibel 01 would have extended views down the Marina, I would also rather look at the Address and Silverene(should have interesting lighting with those lines cutting across the facades). But yes, the future construction on the front plot and the bikes, cars and other noise polution from the proximity of the street should disturb sleep.

Enrique, I think the Blakely 04 should be a good option, 1052 sqft plus decent views down the marina throught the gap and the temporary sea views as Apple mentioned.

I think I'm gonna narrow it down to these 3 for now.

Do you guys know in what order handover will be taking place?

Nazo what kind of prices psf are you being offered for the appts you are talking about here?

Charlie, I haven't noticed a fixed range, they start from O.P's to about 1.15 mil for the Bonnaire 06, but in general I can say that I've come mostly across prces slightly over O.P.
Several agents have told me that they expect the sellers to yield when handover is made because of the over supply and the availability in the market.

Hi Nazo I have sent you a private message re: Blakeley 04 with sea and marina views

Let me know and I can send you some info.

Regards

Hi Nazo, I would definitely recommend 04 unit in either Blakely or Sanibel. The layout is the biggest and most functional without any waisted floor area. As someone already mentined before you can very easily get another decent size bedroom without compromising a lot on the comfort of the living room (specially if you don't plan big formal dinners).

The views are actually not bad at all, I will post some photos as soon I get the chance to get there again.

Guys, you should have a look at the 05 unit in Fairfield. It has amazing Marina and sea view since it is directly by the street leading to the beach with no building in between, it's amazing!!!

Hi Nazo, I would definitely recommend 04 unit in either Blakely or Sanibel. The layout is the biggest and most functional without any waisted floor area. As someone already mentined before you can very easily get another decent size bedroom without compromising a lot on the comfort of the living room (specially if you don't plan big formal dinners).

The views are actually not bad at all, I will post some photos as soon I get the chance to get there again.

THanks M2, I can see that additonal space being out to good use, I dont personnlay need a 2nd bedroom but that space can be used as a TV area or an office, it's a good layout for sure but I'd like to see the views, please do post those pics when you can.

Well progress of a sort this week - they've taken more windows out!

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Last September I estimated handover at April 2010 - looking at progress lately I think I'll push it back to May/June - at least I hope handover is by the end of June as once we get into the Summer work schedule with the midday break and the Ramadan anything could happen.

but your right to say that Sanibel 01 would have extended views down the Marina, I would also rather look at the Address and Silverene(should have interesting lighting with those lines cutting across the facades).

I doubt that you will see Silverene once the site next to Sanibel is completed - as I was walking around today I checked out the sightlines and I dont think you will see anything past the Address.

THanks M2, I can see that additonal space being out to good use, I dont personnlay need a 2nd bedroom but that space can be used as a TV area or an office, it's a good layout for sure but I'd like to see the views, please do post those pics when you can.

I'd make sure that you go for a high floor on the Blakely or Sanibel as the noise from the road will only increase as the Marina fills up - and Dubai build quality is not that soundproof - check out the Quays thread.

STILL not contacted for home orientation.

Yes, do not go for a unit on the road side with a socalled "sea view". Noise level from the road especially Thursday to Sunday is really bad since the roads are sometimes completely packed up to the Le Meridien Mina Seyahi because of the bloody walk.

Well progress of a sort this week - they've taken more windows out!

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Last September I estimated handover at April 2010 - looking at progress lately I think I'll push it back to May/June - at least I hope handover is by the end of June as once we get into the Summer work schedule with the midday break and the Ramadan anything could happen.

The rate of change in fixing the windows seem to suggest that the broken windows are getting fixed only when the customer requests it during orientation. :ohno: probably even slower.

guys what view will bonaire 03 have on the 2nd floor?

guys what view will bonaire 03 have on the 2nd floor?

Mainly the podium area

...

Is there any update on the CD Certificates? Let's face it, that is the only real obstacle to handover. Only once they are issued will there be any meaningful progress. I doubt the snags will get in the way in most cases.

Kind regards,


Annahita

:banana:

I wouldn't get too excited - all of our letters have said that we were on a 'priority' list (I think everybody's letters tell them they are a priority) and we have had handover appointments that have come and gone...

I wouldn't get too excited - all of our letters have said that we were on a 'priority' list (I think everybody's letters tell them they are a priority) and we have had handover appointments that have come and gone...

Yes, AppleMac is right - we are all on priority. Let's be realistic, there is over 500 units in Park Island, all have snags that need rectifying and in most cases quite a few. Emaar will spin us all along, handover is some time away. We need to be patient, let then finish it properly and bring it up to the standard we expect. CD are there tomorrow (according to Emaar.....), lets see if they give their approval.

April/May is possible, definitely not March.

Thanks AM no chance of even a peak of water then :-(

I have just been in Emaar who have now stated teh following:

My apartment (Bonaire low floor) will be certified and ready for orientation within 2 weeks (she called the project manager while i was there)

Completion for the whole site and handovers will start middle of March. I asked her about different blocks being handed in an order and she said all towers would be ready for handover together. I argued this point and she checked with a supervisor and still said if the site has CD approval and an apartment is ready whichever tower then it will definately be handed over.

I also asked to speak to the manager of the handover department which i did and explained my circumstances (living in a hotel etc) and asked her to be honest with me and explained that i am fine if my bonaire apartment won't be available until June or July as at least i can make alternative short term accomodation plans. She laughed and assured me it would not be as late as June/July she said if i wasn't in by the end of April she would be very suprised.

Why do we have so much conflicting information from both Emaar handover, Emaar reps and the project manager on site???

I finally got an orientation date for Sunday! WoooHoooo!

CD are there tomorrow (according to Emaar.....), lets see if they give their approval.

.

I doubt it PI, Civil Defense will never approve a "Construction" site with laborers, tools, Machinery, Building Materials scattered all arround in and out. It can be a liability nightmare for both city and developer. Also speculating on when this low-end developer may deliver has been futile,,,, Regards.

Thanks AM no chance of even a peak of water then :-(

You should see the Marina across to the Dusit and you 'may' see down the road to the sea between JBR and TGR - that depends on how high the apartment is above the retail unit at the front.

I doubt it PI, Civil Defense will never approve a "Construction" site with laborers, tools, Machinery, Building Materials scattered all arround in and out. It can be a liability nightmare for both city and developer. Also speculating on when this low-end developer may deliver has been futile,,,, Regards.

Yep good point Bavarian. It will be ready when its ready. The sooner the better!

Evapau--- I too went thru the same drill with Emaar in the first week of Feb. Am also having the Appt. in Bonair on the same floor, Was told that by 25th Feb I would be informed on Orientation date.No news on this till date. I guess Emaar is broke and are not they able to deploy adequate resources to do have a swift delivery. Also they have breached the contract in terms of delivery schedules. We just have to wait and this may go on for an indefeinate number of 2 weeks. Do we have any other choice ??

kskumar - my local Arabic lawyer has my contract so if i get anywhere i will let you know!

AM - thanks lots, fingers crossed

... my local Arabic lawyer has my contract ...

Guys, trust me on this one -- engaging a lawyer to go after Emaar would be an absolute waste of money. Believe it or not, they're not actually in breach of contract. By all means hire a lawyer to explain your rights (such as the interaction between the right of inspection and the timing of the final payment), but don't let anyone convince you that you have any kind of case against Emaar. There are allot of unscrupulous people out there who will take advantage of you at a time when your emotions may cloud your judgement. I just want to make sure noone takes advantage of my new neighbours. :)

Thanks Celtic

truly noted - good luck all

Engaging a lawyer wouldn't actually achieve anything - the project will still only be completed when DCE decide to complete.

Hello every one
I have a question for all the park islanders,
Since Eemaar hasnt bothered to keep me informed of any orientation or snagging dates,I get a feeling that most of you have paid your last payment to get on the PRIORITY list,so that the handover date foe you guys/girls would be sooner than the others.Is that right or am I wrong?
Secondly,am I being penalised from NOV(09)with late fees for not paying my last instalment,or is it subject to discussion?Please advise me.
:ohno:

Am surprised to note that Emaar have started computing ( and reflecting on the dues statement ) any late payment charges.Contactually they can levy late payment on final instalment only after orientation. Pl. cfm if this is true.
Am sure we can refuse to pay this>>better to resolve this issue immdly.

Am surprised to note that Emaar have started computing ( and reflecting on the dues statement )


True kskumar - I have this invoice item in my eservices.emaar.com account ;

***** Late Payment Fee on Installments as of 30-NOV-09. *****

About AED 9,500 for just a couple of weeks. :nuts: Not sure how they cooked up these numbers.

Dear Park Islanders,

Hope your are fine. I have been following all the discussions since 4 months now without being able to interfere in the discussions because of registration failure. Now here I am today connected and i have a lot to say believe me :nuts:

I have a 1 bed apart in Blakely tower unit 01 (Middle High Floor). I have done my home orientation (please everyone take a big breath !!! the 3rd of November 2009 that is to say long time ago now (almost 5 months now), maybe I was one of the first home orientations done for this project. Since, i have been regularly chasing for handover orientation from Emmar (on a weekly base) I was renting and and wanted to move in. I can tell you that the list of snags was quite impressive, I was yet happy overall of was I have seen despite of this long list...also I was also disappointed by the space I really thought it would have been bigger as a 909 sq feet flat.


In Dec, Handover department told me that the Handover department is likely to release my unit, yet If I wanted to be on the A-list for handover, I had to clear my 10% final payment with the bank which I did. Since I am paying my full installment (i-e 2500 dhs on the top of the initital installment i used to pay) and nothing happened since !!!

Every week I go the their office, I would say that each time I am more informed that they are in term of progress (last time i have seen a gathering at the entrance of park island, I have asked the security and they told me that CD has come for Blakely inspection (the 1st one was on 27 of january). When i went to Emaar office, the handover manager was not aware she has started to call the supervisor to build on my information ......... i told her they came this morning and wanted now to have a date after CD (a real date this time) but again they told me after CD it is a matter of 10 days....Since that date, and each time a go there, it the same story they say that Emaar is working on the remarks given by CD, apparently they came a second time (to be confirmed) and i am still waiting and waiting.

Beside all this troubles, I had the bad surprise to receive a phone call from my bank saying that the land registration rate is not 1% anymore but 2%, I went immediately to transfer department the day after and meanwhile had a sleepless night (if what they say was confirmed, it means that I had to pay an other 3000 euros that I don't have and should again save for it for months without being able to take my unit as it has to be paid before handover). Hopefully, when I went and met with Senior transfer manager, she has checked my contract and thanks to 4 words being written on my contract, the rate remained 1% (I would say this is the most expensive 4 words I have seen in my entire life 750 Euros per word :lol:).

Knowing that transfer department can change their mind/rule one day to an other, I have decided to go ahead with the land registration so to have no bad surprise in the future.

So to sum it up, I have paid almost everything today and nothing is happening, it is really a shame for a company at the level of Emaar ( I have seen people arguing at the handover department, so others fainting because they are so angry and desperate...anyhow nobody can do nothing about this situation, i would say it has reach an astonishing unprofessional level I have never seen in my life.....

I have paid almost everything ( I can almost have my certificate of completion today)

- 3000 AED pre registration
- 10% remaining installment with the Bank
- Paid for registration almost 15 000 AED
- I was also so desperate that I wanted to pay for maintenance yet I step
back as I knew they have no word and would wait and wait while losing
money if I had to pay that day...

I went again end of this week, the story is still the same.....

Hi Pipopi,

Welcome to the forum and best of luck. :)

From my own experience, I can tell you something:

Going there is useless.
Phoning them is useless.
Emailing them is useless.

You cannot push them, they will contact you, that's it.

Enjoy a nice hotel and prepare yourself for the trouble after moving in...:-)

CD Authority did not visit PI last week, there's a new visit (the 3rd one) scheduled for March 3rd.

EMAAR as of now has no clue if the certificate will be given to any tower in particular....

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Guys, let's have some fun and take this vote.

Why do you think the lights are on in some of our units. http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/4.gif

A) The Light Switches touched-on by mistake.?
B) Emaar asked the workers to slave to fix the snags.?
C) Ghosts visiting Dubai Chose Park Island to stay the night.?
D) Emaar Executives are having secret "rendavous".?

Why do you think the lights are on in some of our units.

The electrics are so bad they cant turn them off?

The Only thing you get from Emaar when they place you on "Priority". :lol:

imust admit I am absolutely devastated. I had home orientation yesterday in an upper floor unit in Bonaire.

Oh God, where to start, the list is endless. All the doors are skew and damaged. All the handles fell off in my hands. Tiles were chipped, drawn on. All the cupboard interiors were damaged inside. All the bathroom fittings are loose. Bathtubs chipped badly, Balcony Railings loose.

The kitchen was by far the worse. This was definitley a rip off by Emaar. I doubt all of the defects will be fixed.

Very depressed.

Tasy,

Dont stress about it too much, although disappointing, it will be all good in the end. Emaar do require some stern words and I suggest you let them have it with both barrells, starting with the project manager. His office is next door to park island.

He could not organise a piss up in a brewery.

I myself have done my snag tour some 6 weeks ago and did list quite a few things however I do not expect these to be all fixed by the time I move in, so it will be a on going thing, as we have a warranty for the next 12 months.

I have been told civil defence is due on the 2nd or 3rd of march, and assumming they provide the green light then hand over will commence this sunday or monday.

Dear all,

Although I haven't been actively involved with discussions on this forum, I have been following closely over the past year or so. I too am a PI owner, and share the same sentiment as most of you; disgruntled about the delays, appalled with the customer service, devastated by the finishings etc.

But all negativity aside, we will receive delivery in due course, we will have all of our snags rectified and we will eventually be happy in our new homes. In the long run, I am certain PI will be on par with Emaars' other projects.

Now (and I am sure many will agree) its in our best interest to keep the overly negative comments off this forum. We must remember that this is not a closed discussion and is in the public domain; anyone simply googleing "park island" will get access to all that we have written here. This it turn will affect the public perception of the development and ultimately jeopardise our resale prospects going forward.

If we all just get out heads down and ride this out, there will certainly be better days ahead.

Dear all,

Although I haven't been actively involved with discussions on this forum, I have been following closely over the past year or so. I too am a PI owner, and share the same sentiment as most of you; disgruntled about the delays, appalled with the customer service, devastated by the finishings etc.

But all negativity aside, we will receive delivery in due course, we will have all of our snags rectified and we will eventually be happy in our new homes. In the long run, I am certain PI will be on par with Emaars' other projects.

Now (and I am sure many will agree) its in our best interest to keep the overly negative comments off this forum. We must remember that this is not a closed discussion and is in the public domain; anyone simply googleing "park island" will get access to all that we have written here. This it turn will affect the public perception of the development and ultimately jeopardise our resale prospects going forward.

If we all just get out heads down and ride this out, there will certainly be better days ahead.

:applause:

If we all just get out heads down and ride this out, there will certainly be better days ahead.

Hi Shinobi888 I agree, guess I'll go buy myself a punching bag :),,Regards

Shinobi888, I totally disagree. EMAAR deserve as much negative publicity as is possible. They are just another lying bunch of Arabs who promise everything and deliver nothing. How do we know that you do not work for EMAAR and are in damage control? Paki979, how can you agree with this vitriol after everything you've been through? and as for Bavarian, well we all know how stupid she is!
Let me state so any google search engine will find:

EMAAR/BAD/SUCK/LYING/CHEATING/BANKRUPT/INDIAN/PAKISTANI/ARAB/MIDDLE EAST/DUBAI/PARK ISLAND/MARINA
:banana:

Guys, you will be amazed and surprised how many agents and people will contact you in order to rent upon date of handing over... of course sales is still totally dead. Most people here in this funny country do not care about snagging, lousy quality etc. They seem to be used to all the shit.

Location and view are the key words here, even Emaar has still a good reputation - unless you have bought from them:-) And the Marina is still THE place in Dubai.

So calm down and look forward to handover.

Not going to get into the b%$ch slapping game, but we should be patient as we have no other option given Emaar's and DCE inability to abide by a contract. What we do know is that in every other Emaar project the finished product is acceptable and there is a demand in the market for their developments. Only yesterday I got a call from an agent who had a buyer for my unit even though i do not have it listed. I believe it will take some time but we will get there. No, we shouldn't have to be patient but that is the reality of the situation. I have moved 6 times over the last 12 months and now on a friends sofa....next stop Park Island!

EMAAR/BAD/SUCK/LYING/CHEATING/BANKRUPT/INDIAN/PAKISTANI/ARAB/MIDDLE EAST/DUBAI/PARK ISLAND/MARINA
:banana:


Cockatoo,
I suggest you keep your racist remarks outside of this forum. PM me your phone number, I can help you find ways to respect races other than yours.

Shinobi888, I totally disagree. EMAAR deserve as much negative publicity as is possible. They are just another lying bunch of Arabs who promise everything and deliver nothing. How do we know that you do not work for EMAAR and are in damage control? Paki979, how can you agree with this vitriol after everything you've been through? and as for Bavarian, well we all know how stupid she is!
Let me state so any google search engine will find:

EMAAR/BAD/SUCK/LYING/CHEATING/BANKRUPT/INDIAN/PAKISTANI/ARAB/MIDDLE EAST/DUBAI/PARK ISLAND/MARINA
:banana:

I can assure you I do not work for Emaar. I'm just like the rest of you and want to move in to my new home which I have waiting forever for. I'm just suggesting, that to protect our investments we need to take more or a pragmatic approach. Complaining to one another on a public forum about problems with our properties can only taint the image of PI, and make it seem like one of Emaars' lesser developments.

Anyway, fingers crossed for the CD approval tomorrow!

Dear all,

Although I haven't been actively involved with discussions on this forum, I have been following closely over the past year or so. I too am a PI owner, and share the same sentiment as most of you; disgruntled about the delays, appalled with the customer service, devastated by the finishings etc.

But all negativity aside, we will receive delivery in due course, we will have all of our snags rectified and we will eventually be happy in our new homes. In the long run, I am certain PI will be on par with Emaars' other projects.

Now (and I am sure many will agree) its in our best interest to keep the overly negative comments off this forum. We must remember that this is not a closed discussion and is in the public domain; anyone simply googleing "park island" will get access to all that we have written here. This it turn will affect the public perception of the development and ultimately jeopardise our resale prospects going forward.

If we all just get out heads down and ride this out, there will certainly be better days ahead.

I totally disagree. Wise guys and criminals exist in the world because most of us fear to speak out or against them. Even if Emaar has a "great" reputation compared to those bunch of idiots working there there are far away from a reputable company today. Takes years to build a reputation, days to destroy it. By accepting their doing you are bound to experience other immoral, unethical, illegal, if not criminal behaviour. They should get their as... off the ground which, racistically speaking, it's quite difficult for them.

By sharing our experience about Emaar in the public forum at least we realise that we have been collectively cheated on all fronts. We all need to continously keep our pressure on Emaar and get our legitimate entitlements. This is the only way we can succeed failing which Emaar will get away with their fradulent acts.
The property value will improve with time but right now we need to concentrate and get the deliverables from Emaar.

how many new user registered just to insult emaar. Where have u been so far?

Emaar of course is late regarding hand over, but for sure it is not the only in Dubai to be late. And Emaar is still one of the few good developer in Dubai.

I did not put a posting on this site to offend / aggravate or insult anyone. I do believe that I have the right though to state my opinions and feelings regarding 'my unit' from Emaar.

To have paid so much of money for this apartment and to see what the end result was, well let us just say it was disappointing.

I recently took possession of a unit at the Lofts, also an Emaar development and the finishings are definitely 100% better than Park Island. I had one or two minor problems which were rectified.

You can tell when Bavarian is lying. She starts to type a post!!:nuts:

You can tell when Bavarian is lying. She starts to type a post!!:nuts:

She is Still waiting for your PM with your Phone Number and will remind you later. :)

Dear neibourghs! Yesterday I received an invitation for OT for my app in Sanibel!:banana:
I live far from Dubai and can’t come just to look a flat. Who can help me to do OT? I heard that there are some companies in Dubai now, who provide such service!
thanks in advance

Dear neibourghs! Yesterday I received an invitation for OT for my app in Sanibel!:banana:
I live far from Dubai and can’t come just to look a flat. Why can help me to do OT? I heard that there are some companies in Dubai now, who provide such service!
thanks in advance

I think Hamptons may be able to do it on your behalf, but I stand to correction as I am not 100% sure.

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any news on CD approval?

any news on CD approval?

Eagerly waiting to hear on this too!

I publicly and wholeheartedly apologise to Bavarian for my comments.

Today I was in EMAAR offices and I was told by one of the managers that CD cleared three buildings, the only one with a problem is Bonaire. Since Emaar decided to hand over this project all together and not like Marina Quays partiallly the expected handover will hopefully start third week of March

Eagerly waiting to hear on this too!

Apparently they visited PI yesterday and will issue a report today with their findings. The info I got is that the PM will collect this report from the Civil Defence Authority today.....Hopefully by the end of the day we'll have some news

I publicly and wholeheartedly apologise to Bavarian for my comments.

Cockatoo2,

Thank you for the initiative. As far as I'm concerned it's history, frustrating times will hopefully be soon behind all of us. :)

I publicly and wholeheartedly apologise to Bavarian for my comments.

Friends, any news about Civil Defence?

security guy just told me that 3 of the towers were OK after the inspection from CD people, they're expecting the last tower (Bonaire) to be ready within 1 week

security guy just told me that 3 of the towers were OK after the inspection from CD people, they're expecting the last tower (Bonaire) to be ready within 1 week

Nooooooo!

Apparently Blakely had been approved at the last CD visit. According to our home orientation guy.

new info from EMAAR: CD provided a report with some snags to still be rectified in order to get the final approval, the contractor is planning to provide an schedule of when this will be completed aiming at the same time for the CD people to provide a green light for the handover (to be known in 1 or 2 days)..... this is a never ending story

Thanks enriquedubai2 - i remeber your posts from way back when you managed to go into your property in Feb 08 so if anybody knows assume you will :-)

Whats your best guess for the first handovers very end of March to first week in April?

Hi evapau, it all depends if the CD people approve to start handing over the units while the contractors rectify the snags, but I definitely think that the HO process can start by end of this month...

Had a call yesterday from to say someone was in my apartment taking pictures to assess if home orientation could begin. Appartenly final handover for all towers is imininent.....she also said she would call back in an hour ........ yes i am still waiting ;-)

Hello fellow park islanders

Just letting you all know that, civil defence has been approved however it is conditional on the amenities in the 2 centre towers being completed. I recieved a phone call today advising that they were trying to get approval to handover sanibel and blakely.

Will find out by days end when things will occur, I have kept the cell number of the guy I did my orientation with, so if there are others out there then call them as well to get the inside word. Thats what I did

Does anyone know if we are allowed to start moving our furniture in?

Does anyone know if we are allowed to start moving our furniture in?

yes, you can do that, some people already shifted their stuff

thanks enrique,
great news about moving the furniture in, who do you contact to get that approved as I would like to get mine out of storage and into my apartment. Hopefully we get news soon as to when we all could move in, was told late last night there was going to be a meeting this morning for approval to allow us to move in. Everyone please make yourselves known, I am in sanibel 2504, lets have one huge house warming party to celebrate. Welcome neighbours

Well hopefully we are getting near the end. FWIW I see that Du connection has now gone back to 13th May.

as long as we have Du before the world cup ;-)

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Hello PARK ISLANDERS
Nice reading your comments and am pleased that some of you aremoving your stuff in,but hold on,what about orientation if any and who do I mail for my ORIENTATION(SNAG)as I havent been informed of anything,as I live in the far far land.Surely Emaar should be emailing me regarding orientation etc.
Any feed back will be appreciated.thanks

yes, you can do that, some people already shifted their stuff

Are you sure? I'd be surprised if Emaar allowed anyone to do so before they have even taken delivery from DCE or handed over to the owner. Amongst other things, there would be insurance issues.

Are you sure? I'd be surprised if Emaar allowed anyone to do so before they have even taken delivery from DCE or handed over to the owner. Amongst other things, there would be insurance issues.

just called them and ask them if this is possible, they'll tell you YES. Moreover, I had a chat with the PM last Saturday and he mentioned to me that some people already did it...

just called them and ask them if this is possible, they'll tell you YES. Moreover, I had a chat with the PM last Saturday and he mentioned to me that some people already did it...

These guys never cease to amaze me! Thanks for confirming.

can confirm, you may move your furniture into your apartments.

enrique, when you spoke to project manager, did that incompetent guy give you an indication of when we could move in.

can confirm, you may move your furniture into your apartments.

enrique, when you spoke to project manager, did that incompetent guy give you an indication of when we could move in.

Hi, It's very funny, the guy didn't give me any straight answer, i ended up with more doubts than before talking to him, he mentioned that the CD people approved 3 buildings but with the condition of finishing some minor details, the thing is that this doesn't allow EMAARto start handing over the properties, moreover, they haven't got any formal document from the CD people about this, only verbal agreements....

I called EMAAR again today and I found out that they had a meeting yesterday to discuss this but still the info is not clear: they haven't got the final document from the CD authority....of course they mentioned that they believe next week this document will be available but they've been like that from November 30th....

If any of you guys have some time to go to the site and have a chat with the PM, security guys, Orientation people, anyone linked to the project please share your experience....

enrique

I in fact have spoken to the incompetent buffoon who calls himself the project manager.

Once at the beginning of december and he guaranteed that the project would be finished by the end of the year 09, clearly not the case.

Then some 4 weeks ago I again went to see him and this time he advised that I would be sitting in a chair on my balcony with legs crossed in apartment ( These were his words ) NO LATER than first week to second week of March,

and today this complete idiot cannot deliver on his promises.

I have recieved a sms text from the guy who did my orientation tour with me saying he could organise for my furniture to be moved in to my apartment, my response to that was I wanted to know if the snags were completed, his response was snags were scheduled to be completed on the 18th this month and possibly move in on the 20th.

However I will not be holding my breathe.

Presently people I am on vacation out of the UAE and will be back afternoon of the 15th. So I think a great idea is if a large group of us went down to the marina and confronted the Project bufoon and voiced our greivances and then went too the offices of EMAAR and demanded to see senior executives and let them know how we all feel, and demand handover.

enough is enough

you are lucky...there is still people that has not been contacted to do home orientation

Paid Emaar a visit today and was told that only 1 tower had CD approval, and there will be another inspection next week for the remaining 3. I was also told we will definitely be in by the end of the month.

I was also told we will definitely be in by the end of the month.


ah - but what month? :nuts:

ah - but what month? :nuts:

Valid question Applemac. I think that Once CD's are obtained, Emaar will then send official letters to owners asking them to obtain the certificate of completion (pay dues) and proceed to Land Department to apply for the registration of their properties and apply for DEWA. Once an owner complete this process and bring proof for making these applications, Emaar would then schedule the handover. I think this process would take about two-three months from now, during which Emaar would "try" to finish the snags. I think this process can be done much faster, but it does serve the best interest of Emaar.

I think this process would take about two-three months from now

Come on....thats a bit of a stretch

ok everyone

I have been given the date I will be moving in and that is on the 21st march, and have been assured that will be the case, my furniture is going in on the 20th and I was phoned by the project coordinator mohd douleh who stated this.
regards
NB
Thankfully finally there

ok everyone

I have been given the date I will be moving in and that is on the 21st march, and have been assured that will be the case, my furniture is going in on the 20th and I was phoned by the project coordinator mohd douleh who stated this.
regards
NB
Thankfully finally there

On which building you are? Which floor? Did you get this call from EMAAR?

ok everyone

I have been given the date I will be moving in and that is on the 21st march, and have been assured that will be the case, my furniture is going in on the 20th and I was phoned by the project coordinator mohd douleh who stated this.
regards
NB
Thankfully finally there

Well I hope you get in - but I have been given handover dates before that have come and gone and I dont really see how they can assure you of a date when the project still does not have CD approval.

But good luck anyway.

I will come to Dubai after 2 weeks, planning to buy 1BR apartment in Park Island, if somebody in short of money and want to sell PM me. My budget is 800K.
I understand that it's small money, but it's my budget.
No agents please. I already have few offers from agents, i'am looking for a direct sale.
Kind Regards

applemac,
Yes understand what your saying and yes handover dates have come and gone, however the senior executive did say that it was going to happen, they said CD were immenent and handover would commence sunday week.

^^

Well I hope he is correct - have just spoken to a couple of guys on site and they say completion will be another month.

But at least if its the end of next week or even the end of next month this whole sorry saga is finally coming to an end.

The Saga Continues!

^^

Well I hope he is correct - have just spoken to a couple of guys on site and they say completion will be another month.

But at least if its the end of next week or even the end of next month this whole sorry saga is finally coming to an end.

Definitely something is coming, I started looking from 2 days ago an EMAAR security guy on PI working on the entrance...

applemac,
I do understand that the guys on site you spoke to have said end of next month, I dont discredit that, however I feel people will be able to move into their apartments , hopefully comming sunday week and there will still be works being carried out over the next month. Eithere way getleman, if it was not the view out of my apartment I would have bought in the promenade, ie something already established thus I would not have to go through the pain of waiting for a handover and unneccessarily paying for a mortgage whilst I cannot live in the place.

I too was called by Mohd Doueh and advised that next week my orientation date is certain. My appt happens to be on the lower floors of Bonair which is the perhaps the last phase . I am now confident Emaar will start handing over by next week but the Project completion work will go on for next 3 months.
At last the saga looks to be getting over-- but still long haul awaits to ensure quality fixes on the snagging>>

Hi everyone,
I finally had my orientation visit last week (Bonaire midfloor).
As some of you have already stated, there is a lot of snagging to be done... from the simplest door handle missing to more serious issues such as roof stains from supposed water leakage...
If someone explains me how can I upload some photos I will be happy to share them with you.

As payment has to be done before snags are repaired, I am really concerned whether Emaar will be commited to solve all issues...

In any case, at least it seems there is light after the tunnel!

Hi everyone,
I finally had my orientation visit last week (Bonaire midfloor).
As some of you have already stated, there is a lot of snagging to be done... from the simplest door handle missing to more serious issues such as roof stains from supposed water leakage...
If someone explains me how can I upload some photos I will be happy to share them with you.

As payment has to be done before snags are repaired, I am really concerned whether Emaar will be commited to solve all issues...

In any case, at least it seems there is light after the tunnel!

to go to http://tinypic.com/ upload picture then copy the code for Forum & Message board and paste in your message.

any info is helpful.
I bought 1 Bedroom and it's under me and my wife 50% each.
but i'll be coming to Dubai alone and i want to put 100% under my name at closing what i need to do.

thanks.

I have 1 bedroom in Bonaire on 22 floor haven't got my Orientation yet.
anybody have done there in Bonaire on the higer floor.

thanks

enrique
I am in 25th floor sanibel tower if that is any help.
regards
NB

any info is helpful.
I bought 1 Bedroom and it's under me and my wife 50% each.
but i'll be coming to Dubai alone and i want to put 100% under my name at closing what i need to do.

thanks.

You can visit the Emaar Busuness park office and meet some official in the Land registration deptt. There is a one page note which provides the details to do this .Alternatively you could call the Emaar support call centre and ask them to e mail the sheet to you.

kskumar

I'm told that Emaar now has CD Certificates for all 4 buildings. Handover of 2 outside buildings is imminent. Inside towers will take a few more weeks.

I'm told that Emaar now has CD Certificates for all 4 buildings. Handover of 2 outside buildings is imminent. Inside towers will take a few more weeks.

Interesting...state your source

I just wanted to share my recent experience with Emaar. To start off with I had my orientation and snagging around the middle of November. Then this week I managed to talk my way into a second inspection and as you might guess not a single thing was fixed in the last four months. So at this point I am really concerned about the condition of the unit at handover.

Interesting...state your source

Emaar rep onsite today (not DCE rep).

Good video for you guys who have not seen Park island. - http://www.youtube.com/user/CarrollandCoDubai?feature=mhw4#p/u/2/-MmPfyFbcZk

Handover update:
Blackley within 5 days
Sanibel within 1 month
Fairfield & Bonaire after 1 month.

Good video for you guys who have not seen Park island. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MmPfyFbcZk

excellent video, I can see that the swimming pool, gym and squash courts are ready!

From whom did you get the latest update regarding the handover?

excellent video, I can see that the swimming pool, gym and squash courts are ready!

From whom did you get the latest update regarding the handover?
Hi,

Thx, i tried to cover everything in the video in the 10mins that youtube allows..

An Emaar Rep told me.

PS. I've been looking/selling/renting/snagging these developments for the last 8 yrs and i must say, park island will be worth the wait for all you owners. Hang in and I'm sure u wont be disappointed with the end result.

I will come to Dubai after 2 weeks, planning to buy 1BR apartment in Park Island, if somebody in short of money and want to sell PM me. My budget is 800K.
I understand that it's small money, but it's my budget.
No agents please. I already have few offers from agents, i'am looking for a direct sale.
Kind Regards
May i ask i question, why would you quote in your message when searching for a property "No real estate agents please" ??

The obvious answer would be you are trying to save a buck in agency fees..? Believe it or not, real estate agents have a purpose in the whole buying process. I have personally heard of 3 cases on the last 6 months of where someone just like you has tried to skip the middle man to save a buck and ended up losing hundreds of thousands of dollars.

One example would be an old friend of mine who seen an advert on the internet.. Sounded too good to be true so without further ado he places a deposit. No agent. He is going to save Aed.10,000 by going direct.. What he doesn’t know is that the person saying he is the owner of the property has taken the same deposit (Aed.300,000) from 10 different (Very foolish) keen buyers ready to find themselves that dubai bargain!! Before you know it the seller has left Dubai (after selling his property to one of the 10 buyers who gave the deposit) leaving the other 9 people minus Aed.300,000.. I can tell these stories all day..

Having an agent would avoid small things like this. Also here is a few more good reasons to choose an agent: Negotiation power, Receiving and holder a deposit, Writing the MOU, making sure the owner is the actual owner, guiding buyer and seller through the now very complicated sale procedure (Do you even know the procedure, the new procedure?) Accompanying buyer and seller at the land dept where the land dept will insist on a RERA reg card for transfer.. (Do you have a RERA Card?) The list goes on and on..
Take my advice, don’t be so quick to save a few thousand. Stick to a good registered broker who will guide and assist you through the whole process. Also apart from the above, the agents that i have dealt with have the prime properties at the best prices.. The REALISTIC prices!

Good luck and be careful!

Just seen the vedeo on you tube !
Has to be one of the best in this concrete jungle !

latest info I got from EMAAR: between today and tomorrow the decision of handover for Blakely and Sanibel from the CD people will be taken, they promised me to give me an update tomorrow....

latest info I got from EMAAR: between today and tomorrow the decision of handover for Blakely and Sanibel from the CD people will be taken, they promised me to give me an update tomorrow....

enriquedubai2, can you also ask about the final requirements/process for handover and time estimates, in particular those requirements that has to do with third parties, like land department, utilities, etc. Also will handover be scheduled over a period of time (how long) or will it be on first-come-first-serve bases.?,, Regards

..

Good video for you guys who have not seen Park island. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MmPfyFbcZk

AreaDubai,

Thank you for the Video,,,The lobby area look very impressive,,,Regards

Areadubai: that's a nice video coverage... Appears its worth the wait .. and may turn out to be one of the better properties in DM... Thanks a lot..

spoke to emaar again today guys, and they are still telling me I am getting my keys for my apartment this sunday (21st), I said to them they had continually broke promises, but they continually assured me that sunday was the day

still can't get orientation date - have been in Emaar office twice a month and phoned them almost everyday.

Latest is first week in Apr for Bonaire lower floor - any hints or contacts i can call to speed up my orientation date?

just want to make sure when handover is ready i have at least completed this element.

cheers all

The lobby area look very impressive,,,

Yes........

but why is the lobby so big and the pool so small? :nuts:

still can't get orientation date - have been in Emaar office twice a month and phoned them almost everyday.

Latest is first week in Apr for Bonaire lower floor - any hints or contacts i can call to speed up my orientation date?

just want to make sure when handover is ready i have at least completed this element.

cheers all

I was in Bonaire yesterday (high floor) and the unit is NOT ready for orientation (I wouldn't even know where to start). I was told a few days ago that most windows on the high floors were broken or cracked and needed replacement. When I entered the apartment, they were just finishing replacing some windows (glass all over the floor). Lot's of tile work, grouting, cleaning, and adjusting doors and drawers, etc., still required. I can't speak for the lower floors, but I suspect the entire tower is a few weeks to a month behind the outer two towers.

While this may sound depressing, I was actually very encouraged at the quality of materials and the finish (even if not yet complete). The views from the high floors, looking back in the direct of Dubai, were outstanding! Given that there is supposed to be a park between the towers and the bridge, these views should remain unobstructed.

The video provides an extremely good view of the actual present condition of the lobby, squash courts, pool area and gym area (must have been taken recently). Thanks Areadubai! Personally, I'm delighted with the overall quality and can't wait to move in!

Now, if they can just finish the work...... I'm sure once people start moving into other towers, Emaar/DCE will be just as keen as owners to finish the work and get off the site.

Guys, you should rate the video with 5 Stars.. Market your properties! ;)

Yes........

but why is the lobby so big and the pool so small? :nuts:


Good point,

I'd say we as owners can always take a vote to expand the pool by doing away with the trees at the edge of the pool, remove the steps and place perimeter-overflow drains at the patio edge. Of course assuming that the walls re-inforced concrete can take the the extra load, also they are well water proofed. I'd say this would add about 1.5m to the width or about 30 SQM to the area of the pool.

If owners think this is worth it, it may cost from 50-60k labor/tiles/gril/ Material (filter/motor may need replaced with higher capacity) or about AED 100-120 Per Unit. I think we may even take more out of the patio if need be, this way we can invite MP for a pool party :cheers:

Of course If we ever get our keys from Emaar :)

Good point,

I'd say we as owners can always take a vote to expand the pool by doing away with the trees at the edge of the pool, remove the steps and place perimeter-overflow drains at the patio edge. Of course assuming that the walls re-inforced concrete can take the the extra load, also they are well water proofed. I'd say this would add about 1.5m to the width or about 30 SQM to the area of the pool.

If owners think this is worth it, it may cost from 50-60k labor/tiles/gril/ Material (filter/motor may need replaced with higher capacity) or about AED 100-120 Per Unit. I think we may even take more out of the patio if need be, this way we can invite MP for a pool party :cheers:

Of course If we ever get our keys from Emaar :)

Bavarian,

Great idea! Definitely support this---sign me up! :)

PS. I've been looking/selling/renting/snagging these developments for the last 8 yrs and i must say, park island will be worth the wait for all you owners. Hang in and I'm sure u wont be disappointed with the end result.

What are the expected rents on 1 b/r with direct view of the marina?

Good point,

I'd say we as owners can always take a vote to expand the pool by doing away with the trees at the edge of the pool, remove the steps and place perimeter-overflow drains at the patio edge. Of course assuming that the walls re-inforced concrete can take the the extra load, also they are well water proofed. I'd say this would add about 1.5m to the width or about 30 SQM to the area of the pool.

If owners think this is worth it, it may cost from 50-60k labor/tiles/gril/ Material (filter/motor may need replaced with higher capacity) or about AED 100-120 Per Unit. I think we may even take more out of the patio if need be, this way we can invite MP for a pool party :cheers:

Of course If we ever get our keys from Emaar :)

I guess its all a matter of opinion as I feel the palm trees are a really attractive feature. Also, as there is a lap pool to the side, the main pool area should be considered just a plunge pool.

GOOD NEWS!!!!!!

I got the call from Emaar, I should go there to do the service fee payment and collect the keys : )

The Ladn Registration needs to be done as well, let me get more info and I'll get back to you

GOOD NEWS!!!!!!

I got the call from Emaar, I should go there to do the service fee payment and collect the keys : )

The Ladn Registration needs to be done as well, let me get more info and I'll get back to you

Congratulations enriquedubai and thanks in advance for the info.

What are the service fees for Park Island? and is it done on total saleable area or minus the balcony? Basically I have a 1052 square foot apartment and I would like to know the cost?

Regards

Congratulations enriquedubai and thanks in advance for the info.

I got the Handover letter from EMAAR, I need to pay the Land Registration fee before paying the service fee, later on I can go to collect my keys.

My apartment is mortgaged so, I need a bank representative to come with me also for the Land Registration and a manager's cheque, so, kind of a hectic procedure but i hope that after a couple of days I can get my keys : )

What are the service fees for Park Island? and is it done on total saleable area or minus the balcony?

Minus the balcony.

I'm with Select properties in Royal Oceanic (sorry to butt in !) and they include the balcony in the maintenance fees (AND in the aircon !!-so not fair for those with larger balconies !).

^^

Well you could argue that Emaar's system of not charging for balcony's is not fair to those apartments without balcony's.

I'm with Select properties in Royal Oceanic (sorry to butt in !) and they include the balcony in the maintenance fees (AND in the aircon !!-so not fair for those with larger balconies !).

This is Emaar -- they don't include balcony.

jus wanted to confirm that the service fees are not including the balcony area, I already got my service fee calculation for this year, it's as mentioned on a previous post 18.57 AED per sq ft.

Hi everyone,

I have picked up my keys today at 3 30 pm and then went to have a look at the apartment and see if snags were rectified.

only a few things need to be fixed still but very very liveable, 2 lights not working or water to the shower and basin not working a 2 scratches on some of the wood work still need to be done.

I have been told to come back in 2 weeks to pick up access cards and transponder for the car park as they cannot allocate this at this stage,

I checked out the whole complex and I must say it is at least on a par to marina promenade or better, not being biased but I think it is better, very smart complex.

Guys you will definately be very surprised and pleased.

I now need to organise complimetary cleaning and pest control, and get maintenance to fix at least the water in the shower, then move in, would say by wednesday next week if not earlier.

regards

NB

I'm with Select properties in Royal Oceanic (sorry to butt in !) and they include the balcony in the maintenance fees (AND in the aircon !!-so not fair for those with larger balconies !).

Sorry but this is massively incorrect. I paid my service charge today and they only charge for gross internal area. Balconies and roof terraces are not included.

R U with Select or EMAAR ??

Enough is enough! I understand some of you are waiting to move in but those of you who bought for investment should not bend to these bad practises going on in Dubai. Your apartment should be handed over in impeccable condition. Untill then you should refuse to pay. They are trying to extort money making promises. When I say they I don't mean only this developer but all developers. They should be sued together with Rera and gouvernment bodies who are playing blind. It's a world scandal wich deserves more media attention. It's shamefull for the country, for their future, simply not acceptable unless you are used to live in caves. Don't pay till everything is perfect. If not you have the right to hold back some money and ask for compensation. Should they not agree we will bring this to the hungry foreign press. We are dealing with thieves, but quite dumb thieves and the sense is that the souvereign arab mafia is running the country.

I'm with Select properties in Royal Oceanic (sorry to butt in !) and they include the balcony in the maintenance fees (AND in the aircon !!-so not fair for those with larger balconies !).

What about those with proper balconies in Marinascape.

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Hello we are new here.!!

It is instructive to read out that you have written here.
We have apartment in Bonaire high floor.

Hello we are new here.!!

It is instructive to read out that you have written here.
We have apartment in Bonaire high floor.

Hi, we also have app in Bonaire higher floor.
Thit you allready have your snagging or a delivery date?
We call and email to Emar very often but they never give an answer.

Hi, we also have app in Bonaire higher floor.
Thit you allready have your snagging or a delivery date?
We call and email to Emar very often but they never give an answer.

The higher floors in Bonaire have issues with the windows (incorrectly installed and many need replacement). Expect Orientation to take place in the first few weeks of April.

Evien. I have a Bonaire mid floor and had the orientation 3 weeks ago. And I believe some of the higher floors too, so all you can do is insist.
In any case, seems to be this will be the last tower to handover.