just though id open a new thread for this one because i can't find the old one.

Proposed
Height: 146m, 478ft
Residential
198 flats
Floors: 48
* Alternative proposals of 14 and 20 floors have been mentioned for the site as well as a 48 floor tower.
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/669KingEdwardTower_pic1.jpg
Any new news please let me know

There will never be news on this project!

There has been no news for many months West, I doubt this thread has much point to it as it stands, but the tower proposal is a good one nonetheless.

They should restore the pub and build a park around it and have a 90m office tower and a 120m glass apartment tower at the edge :yes:

They should restore the pub and build a park around it and have a 90m office tower and a 120m glass apartment tower at the edge :yes:


Why?

Because its a good idea and people can have a drink in the middle of a modern CBD next to the water and us shirefolk can have picnics :tongue:

Because its a good idea and people can have a drink in the middle of a modern CBD next to the water and us shirefolk can have picnics :tongue:


O.K. Just so long as you don't bring your herd of sheep along with you. :cheers:

He means family... :cheers:

O.K. Just so long as you don't bring your herd of sheep along with you. :cheers:
My next suggestion was going to be 3/4 sheep pens made of stainless steel, disguised as public art :yes:

:laugh: I'd have thought you'd have them in bed with you Accy.

He has a Tracy Emin sheep pen... ;)

:laugh: I'd have thought you'd have them in bed with you Accy.
I assume you believe a hotel should be built here too? A ludicrus suggestion when you consider that the Raddison and the Malmaison are only a few hundred yards away. I'm pretty sure none of them allow pets.

Wow, you're a psychic sheep-shagger. I hadn't considered the merits of having a hotel there actually. In the light of their rules it looks like you will have to join your woolly concubines in their pens. :naughty:

He only shags psychic sheep now? Surely they'd see it coming? :?

Poor things! :)

Wow, you're a psychic sheep-shagger. I hadn't considered the merits of having a hotel there actually. In the light of their rules it looks like you will have to join your woolly concubines in their pens. :naughty:
Fuck it... I'll go to Manchester instead :D

Liverpool forum: Home of quality on topic discussion!

I assume you believe a hotel should be built here too? A ludicrus suggestion when you consider that the Raddison and the Malmaison are only a few hundred yards away. I'm pretty sure none of them allow pets.


Pets?, I was thinking more on the lines of 'Mate'.

Fuck it... I'll go to Manchester instead :D


YIPPEEEE!

YIPPEEEE!
Since your so dissappointed to see Liverpool's tourism figures fall by one person, I'll go to the first forum meet after the GCSE's... but I want Coke! :evil:

BTW, I've just thought of a great inner city sheep pen: the Princess Dock Car Park! Its so crap for cars so it should be for sheep instead. The stupid creche idea should be turned into a Ye Olde Sheep Inn Beerhouse.

Yeh, so even though we haven't hard anything about this tower for some time they probably wouldn't announce it until it was going in for planning permission. We know Liverpool Vision believe something tall should be built here, they recommended that the original 8 storey building plan should be 20 instead. I do think we will see something big on this site.

Yeh, so even though we haven't hard anything about this tower for some time they probably wouldn't announce it until it was going in for planning permission. We know Liverpool Vision believe something tall should be built here, they recommended that the original 8 storey building plan should be 20 instead. I do think we will see something big on this site.
:ohno:
I cant believe that you would settle for a mere bog standard 20-storey apartment block here :( This is a major gateway and a landmark location. A development here needs to be world class. I believe it might be an idea to look to one of these world famous architects like Gehry or Piano to build something here.

Im not saying that I want a 20 storey tower but if the design was great then I probably would settle for it, I would be a bit dissapointed as I would like to see something huge here. I was trying to point out that the developer was encouraged to go taller back in 2003 (I think), look at how things have changed since then.

You should be aiming for something prominant and unique... something like...




LIKE THIS!!!
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/2259RingwayTower_pic1.jpg

Fuck it... I'll go to Manchester instead :D

Nooooo come back!!!

I miss Southport :cry:


PS. You had better all be supporting PNE today and not burnt ham!

You should be aiming for something prominant and unique... something like...




LIKE THIS!!!
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/2259RingwayTower_pic1.jpg

Thats not.......Preston, is it? :sly:

The closest thing Preston will get to this is 5lbs of King Eddy's spuds

Thats not.......Preston, is it? :sly:
No... its a drawing of a hotel, proposed for Preston :D

That's a bit of a crummy rendering; looks like it was drawn on the back of a napkin. Is there anything more detailed Accy?

Yes, I went to the planning office to see the full plans. This proposal is in the early stages and has been submitted for outline planning permission. I suspect we will see more computer generated images as it progresses.

Fuck it... I'll go to Manchester instead :D


Accy remember your promise. :bash: Just go. :cheers:

You may also recall that I changed my mind ;)

You may also recall that I changed my mind ;)

A sheeps perogative I guess. :cheers:

IT'S REAL AND TALL!!!

http://www.dtruk.com/projects/kings.jpg

http://www.dtruk.com/projects/king-edward.html

:drool:

If only...

Its gotta get built! if ever there was a tall building zone it there in that exact fooking spot!!

Well this has only recently been updated I've been checking their site frequently since the first rumour, so it looks like it's still alive!

Thanks for finding this Liverdude.

Looks taller than '14 to 20 levels'. Perhaps what is shown is the 198 apartment version.

The design is so similar to West and Alexandra that it seems as if architects are developing a Liverpool style for tall towers.

Agree that this is one of the best locations for a really tall building.

Lady Doreen should like it as it has one parking space per apartment.

Cue more objections from Beetham residents!

Good spot Liverdude. I like it, although it's difficult to see too much detail from that rendering.

I think after the most recent Brunswick rejection one of the planning bods mentioned that it was much more suited to the other end of town, so maybe this has a better chance of getting planning permission than the likes of brunswick, Grand Central et al. That's if a planning application ever materialises!

Very exciting! I was going to enquire whether the horrible bit behind the glass mirror building and near St. Paul's Sq. was heading for refurb but this will do fine. I can't think of a more appropriate place for Liverpool's tallest.

I wonder how long until a planning application? If they've already developed renderings then it can't be too far down the pipeline.

With the new CL development roughly below it, it will look wicked from the waterfront.:guns1:

Someone should email about time frames for this proposal.

Lady Doreen should like it as it has one parking space per apartment.

May not Martin, :) its just over the road from her "posh" pad.

So, do you think this is still about 50 storeys tall? The positioning has only just clicked with me! From what I can tell the tower not much further forward than Beetham so river views should be conserved. When I first saw the second picture I though it was infront of Beetham! :)

Well it looks bigger than Beetham Tower on that image, though they suggest it's upto a mere 20 floors. It looks more like 35 on the image but we can but guess. The council will fight a 50 storey tower to the bitter end, tall building zone or no tall building zone. That I can guarantee.

IT'S REAL AND TALL!!!

http://www.dtruk.com/projects/kings.jpg

http://www.dtruk.com/projects/king-edward.html

Well let's all keep our fingers crossed. :cheers:

it has to be about 45 flooors, it is bigger than BW

Looking good, let's see it progress. That site is critical and strategic in tying Princes Dock, Waterloo Warehouse and eventually Central Docks into downtown, the scale and mass has to be sufficient to enable this. The render certainly appears to allow for this.

Well this has only recently been updated I've been checking their site frequently since the first rumour, so it looks like it's still alive!

I give up checking this site long ago well in Liverdude,what a great place for our tallest that'll be,let's hope we hear some more soon eh. :)

If that gets approved when/if a application is put in and gets approved i'm up for a good bender.

:cheers: That being drink of course :cheers:

Looks good, but would like to see more renders of the development. Hope this bastard materialises. Looking at what seems to be the rear of the tower from the north, to me it looks a bit like Beetham 1, which is a bad thing. The whole building from all 360 degress should look spectacular.

The building in the left hand pic seems to be a lot taller than the one on the right, so suppose that's the illustration for the proposal with more apartments. Confused about the structure in the foreground before the new tower in the left hand pic. Is that part of it and what's it for? Also whats happened to City Lofts on the right hand pic? Have they decided to airbrush it out?

Nice pictures. Hopefully we'll hear more about this pretty soon...

it has to be about 45 flooors, it is bigger than BW

When news of this first broke from rumour control, 48 stories was mentioned.

Wow..that's a whopper, they keep pushing the envelope around Princess Dock

well up to now everything on PD has been accepted, is the king eddie site classed as being on PD, also new world sq is on there;)

Nice pictures. Hopefully we'll hear more about this pretty soon...
And hopefully we wont have to wait 3 years like we did last time ;)

Fuck you ;)

Wow..that's a whopper, they keep pushing the envelope around Princess Dock

If this proposal gets accepted, the whole region north of the Liver Building will look awesome. :cheers:

I want to see a skyline view, with West Tower and Alexandra Tower! Like other people have said I hope it isn't a long wait for more info, maybe the update of the page means something will be happening soon! :)

I want to see a skyline view, with West Tower and Alexandra Tower! Like other people have said I hope it isn't a long wait for more info, maybe the update of the page means something will be happening soon! :)

It's a mystery of what's happening or should I say not happening with the Alexandra Tower. Hope if it is a problem it's not too serious.

The project isn't on the DTRUK site anymore, but they have added King's Dock with no info. The address fot the King's Dock section has King Edward in it, could this possibly be a mix up?

This burned-out eyesore could be standing on £9m Feb 7 2006




By Sam Lister, Daily Post


IT IS a derelict, burnt-out building that has become a blot on the recentlyregenerated urban city centre landscape.

But the King Edward pub, bought five years ago for just £150,000, is now rumoured to be worth a staggering £9m.

Despite its less than salubrious appearance, the building's value has shot up thanks to its prime position sitting high above the River Mersey, making it ripe for redevelopment.

Sources told the Daily Post that one development company had offered the owner £9m for the site, but was turned down.

The owners, Richmont Properties, are still considering whether to sell the land, develop it themselves, or join up with another firm for the venture.




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To make it viable for buyers splashing out such a sum, they would need to build a sky-scraper style tower similar to its neighbour, the multi-million pound Beetham Tower.


A spokesman for regeneration organisation Liverpool Vision said: "It is designated as one of the clusters for tall buildings."


But many are less than convinced that a firm would actually part with such a hefty sum, particularly as the site does not have planning permission


for any development. James Kersh, from estate agents Sutton Kersh, said: "It's a prime location because there are so few land sites in the city.


"But it is only worth that much subject to planning. It could be they have been made an offer of £9m subject to planning but with a clause that if it is not successful the developers would pay much less."


Stuart Keppie, from property firm Keppie Massie, said: "It is a postage stamp site. A 40-storey site might give you a return, but I would not advise any of my clients to buy it unless there was planning permission attached.


"There are people who are desperate to get into the city centre but the price of that site is totally dependent on the planning permission.


"It was bought a few years ago by mystery owners and it seems to have been in limbo ever since."


If the owners seal a £9m deal, they would emulate the success of their neighbours Beetham.


The Liverpool-based developer paid the city council £163,000 for land on Brook Street in January, 2002, because it said it wanted the site to make environmental improvements for its nearby 28-storey Beetham Tower and possibly build a small office block.


But once Liverpool's cabinet approved the deal, the firm subsequently submitted a planning application to build the 40-storey block West Tower, which is estimated to make them £30m.


A spokesman for Richmont Properties said: "Design negotiations are at a very early stage with the city council.


"If someone is happy to pay that amount, we would advise them to speak to our agents, Knight Frank."

A bit of proper news at last.

£150k to £9m, not a bad investment!! I would think a lot of speculators will be watching this one closely and thinking what else is available??

The most expensive burn out boozer in the world!

I think the £9mil price tag is bollocks. I thought the Beetham West site was tiny, this one is even smaller.

The most expensive burn out boozer in the world!

:cheers:
http://www.**************************/burntout.jpg

Looks like they used to do scran in there. That's a 70s-style buffer counter, rather than a bar, isn't it?

The mattress has just sunk in. Is that where the poor bugger whose body they found was sleeping, or does it belong to another dosser, who was unwittingly or otherwise sharing the pub with a corpse?

Oh Yuk ..... I drank in K`eds just once or twice.

Interesting to think what they could have done to / with the `Northern Hospital` opposite though.

Enyone got eny news on this project? I would love to see this tower get the go ahead it wold look stuning with beetham 1 and 2 just round the corner, this could be the start of a world class cluster of buildings.

I was in town the other week getting some pictures for my duke of edinburgh gold project, im doing photography and i have decided to do the redevelopment of liverpool. I was walking down past this area and saw this site, i wonderd why the hell nothing has been planned for this place! When people drive into town from crosby southport bootle etc, they see this place first! What an eyesore! They could do something drastic with this area, also the bmw show room could do with a revamp, it should be a nice area with nice buildings to give a nice gateway into the city from the north of liverpool

so have we got any confirmation if this tower is going to be built, or if they are going to commission several architects to show ideas?!?! anyone?

so have we got any confirmation if this tower is going to be built, or if they are going to commission several architects to show ideas?!?! anyone?

:dunno: Heard nothing recently.

so have we got any confirmation if this tower is going to be built, or if they are going to commission several architects to show ideas?!?! anyone?
Very early days. Its more of a concept at the moment.

Coming along nicely
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5284/kingedwards3wa.png

Is that a `mini bus` bottom left? :runaway:

Is that a `mini bus` bottom left? :runaway:

No. it's the Liver Buildings... this is gonna be one biiiiiig tower baby! :eek2:

haha, imagine that

No. it's the Liver Buildings... this is gonna be one biiiiiig tower baby! :eek2:
LOL! :)http://skyscrapercity.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

it would be about 30,000ft if it was, it is a ford focus:)

crack on that it is a double decker bus?

nope focus, the tower stands at 560ft, 168m

What's the latest news on the King Eddie Tower???

What's the latest news on the King Eddie Tower???

The last thing we heard was that the owners are still deciding wether to sell the land or develop it. It said a 40 storey tower may give a return so if anything is going to happen i'd imagine it'd be quite tall.

Double post

will be good entering liverpool from the north it it gets built

The King Edward pub site has been sold for £6m by Wirral businessman William Beaumont, Wirral company Harvey Developments has bought the pub but is not saying what their plans are for the site.

Strange one this, from one Wirral businessman to another?? have to wait for more info on this.

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/thebusinessweek/regionalnews/tm_objectid=17408499%26method=full%26siteid=50061%26headline=waterfront%2dpub%2dsite%2dsold%2dfor%2d%2dpound%2d6m-name_page.html

Waterfront pub site sold for £6m Jul 19 2006

By Tony Mcdonough Deputy Business Editor, Daily Post

A WIRRAL businessman is more than £6m richer this week after selling a development site in Liverpool he bought for just £150,000 six years ago.

The derelict King Edward Pub, near to Princes Dock, has been sold to a company called Harvey Developments in a deal believed to be worth around £6.4m, by William Beaumont.

Mr Beaumont is, or has been, a director of several businesses based around Merseyside in sectors such as property development and agricultural feeds.

The sale follows speculation in the local property market about the property which is seen as a key development site on the city's waterfront.

Harvey Developments, which is owned by another Wirral businessman called James Horne, was staying tight-lipped last night about what its plans for the site may be.

However, property experts in the city believe it would be ideal for a high-rise residential development.

Such a development could upset rival firm Beetham which is currently building its second residential tower just yards away. Potential Beetham tenants could find their views spoilt.

William Beaumont was unavailable for comment, as was James Horne.

In a separate deal, Princes Dock owner Peel Holdings is believed to have paid around £20m for the adjacent King Edward industrial estate, which it has bought from a property investment firm called London & Cambridge. Peel, which recently acquired the owner of Princes Dock, Mersey Docks and Harbour Company, wants to use the site to link Princes Dock with the main dock road and with the city's central business district.

Peel development director Lindsey Ashworth told the Daily Post: "It is my view that any development on or near the waterfront to be effective has to be properly connected to the rest of the city centre and adjoining land and land ownership is key to achieving and delivering this.

"Liverpool is a great tourist destination which is being made more accessible by the huge improvements that we have so far made to Liverpool John Lennon Airport.

"However, to improve Liverpool's offer even further, the waterfront needs to become an exciting place that is more easily accessible.

"To assist in attracting the great cruise liners back to Liverpool we require appropriate but large scale magnificent waterfront development."

tonymcdonough@dailypost.co.uk

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:cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

The CBD just got bigger and I believe the race is on for `The Central Docks`

:) :cheers:

"To assist in attracting the great cruise liners back to Liverpool we require appropriate but large scale magnificent waterfront development."

sorry for the swearing people but...

GET THE FUCK IN!!!!!!

BRING IT ON!!!

Bit worried about a Wirral businessman having the King Eddies site. Would rather he flogged it to a bigger company. Imagine if he built something that would 'preserve views from the Wirral'?!

The King Edward pub site has been sold for £6m by Wirral businessman William Beaumont, Wirral company Harvey Developments has bought the pub but is not saying what their plans are for the site.

Strange one this, from one Wirral businessman to another?? have to wait for more info on this.

It's obviously another tower for our cluster so let's hope it's a biggie. :)

Bit worried about a Wirral businessman having the King Eddies site. Would rather he flogged it to a bigger company. Imagine if he built something that would 'preserve views from the Wirral'?!

A previous Echo article stated that to get a return from this site you would have to build a 40 storey residential tower. I think (well hope) we will see something tall here but why did the Echo have to bring up objections from Beetham when they don't know the plans for this site and West Tower is no where near complete, who knows what future residents will think?!

sorry for the swearing people but...

GET THE FUCK IN!!!!!!

BRING IT ON!!!

You`re forgiven ..... good init! :)

Bit worried about a Wirral businessman having the King Eddies site. Would rather he flogged it to a bigger company. Imagine if he built something that would 'preserve views from the Wirral'?!

Ting is Yapachoo, there is money in Liverpool and around Merseyside make no doubt about that.

Just imagine if the `Wirral businessman` is now investing in Liverpool to make a profit and then transports that profit back to the Wirral and say `Birkenhead` for a similar development.

Win win win..... me tinks.

That's more settling to hear Liverdude, I can't imagine a more appropriate place for a tall. Would this businessman have the means to commission a real tall though? Surely it would have to be a larger development company? I've never heard of Harvey developments, how successful is it?

why did the Echo have to bring up objections?!Well it is the Echo remember!

im really hoping for a 50+ storey, actually....i just want to make sure we have one more bigger here than in manchester, so that means a 60+ tower!

im really hoping for a 50+ storey, actually....i just want to make sure we have one more bigger here than in manchester, so that means a 60+ tower!

We don't need these really tall towers to look great,45 storeys would be ideal for there but even something in the region 35 would look great,other cities need to go higher because they don't have a Waterfront vista like us so don't let that concern you. :)

In a separate deal, Princes Dock owner Peel Holdings is believed to have paid around £20m for the adjacent King Edward industrial estate, which it has bought from a property investment firm called London & Cambridge. Peel, which recently acquired the owner of Princes Dock, Mersey Docks and Harbour Company, wants to use the site to link Princes Dock with the main dock road and with the city's central business district.

Peel development director Lindsey Ashworth told the Daily Post: "It is my view that any development on or near the waterfront to be effective has to be properly connected to the rest of the city centre and adjoining land and land ownership is key to achieving and delivering this.

"Liverpool is a great tourist destination which is being made more accessible by the huge improvements that we have so far made to Liverpool John Lennon Airport.

"However, to improve Liverpool's offer even further, the waterfront needs to become an exciting place that is more easily accessible.

"To assist in attracting the great cruise liners back to Liverpool we require appropriate but large scale magnificent waterfront development."

Is this good news or is this good news? At last we have people who recognise the potential of this dockside site and are going to do their best to realise it.

The King Eddy industrial estate is now out of place, considering the business and residential that is now surrounding it. These businesses can hopefully relocate to many other more suitable locations, without any problems if Peel manage it right.

This is what I love about Peel, they know what needs to be done, and they are just doing it, they may turn out to be the real powerhouse behind Liverpool's resurgence, a company that WANTS to see this city get on, real investment:

"To assist in attracting the great cruise liners back to Liverpool we require appropriate but large scale magnificent waterfront development."

:cheers:

Peel seem to be mentioned all over the place, looks like they have a hand in almost everything. I hope they get the appreciation they deserve, they already are the powerhouse behind Liverpool's resurgance imo. Big vision with the guts and money to follow it through - can't knock 'em.

Peel are returning the city right to the premier league... this is great news all round and so refreshing to finally see some joined up thinking!!!!

too right, theyve proved they know what they are doing with the airport, peel are doing the right thing, and i for one cannot wait to see how the north end of the riverfront turns out, the next 10-15 years are gonna see a new liverpool, 2008 is just a stepping stone leading to the revival, the real future is in peel's hand to be honest.

how impatient am i, i was looking on the ian simpson website then and how many of the developments does he have in manchester, i want them to announce some around this area that will blow every1 off their feet. I really wanna see some renders, but im gessing its gonna be a long time before i see them!

The King Eddy industrial estate is now out of place, considering the business and residential that is now surrounding it. These businesses can hopefully relocate to many other more suitable locations, without any problems if Peel manage it right.

It must be some 2 years ago that many on this forum wanted to see this industrial estate moved. The triangular plot is ideal as a stepping stone from the CBD into Princes Dock. As they say "great minds think a like" Peel can see the importance of this site, MDHC should have also spotted this and bought it . Still Peel are showing the ambition and this could be the best £20M they have ever invested, this site joined up with the King Edward Pub site could produce the finest towers this city has seen. Great News

As always the DP came up with a cracker of a quote, "such a development could upset rival firm Beetham which is building its second tower yards away, potential Beetham tenants could find there views spoilt". MMM ,the only spoilt view would be of the Cosco shed. :bash:

The DP comment was indeed a bit negative!! so what if someones view is a little bit obscured!! this is a boom town right now and as I mentioned on another thread this could be this biggest story of the year!!

In the Liverpool Vision update it does mention the possible closure of Bath St. which would really tie in Princes Dock to the CBD, I think EH might kick off on this??

doug i rmemeber you called this about two yrs ago at a meet up... and we all thought it was a pipedream.. if ever evidence of the resurgence of the city was needed then this is it!

the likes of peel are driving this city forward to re-calim its mantle of being a true world city!!!

manchester --- where?

As always the DP came up with a cracker of a quote, "such a development could upset rival firm Beetham which is building its second tower yards away, potential Beetham tenants could find there views spoilt". MMM ,the only spoilt view would be of the Cosco shed.

That's the same quote they used when West Tower was being built about Beetham 1. :sly:

As always the DP came up with a cracker of a quote, "such a development could upset rival firm Beetham which is building its second tower yards away, potential Beetham tenants could find there views spoilt".

What a load of Bollocks. This won't upset Beetham because their towers are already built/U.C. sold/let/etc. The residents may complain possibly, but this is just a sad journo preparing his next future "Fury, Anger, outrage" headline.

There was a holding page for a Harvey Developments website but now I just get a page for Windows Small Business Server 2003. :?

http://www.harveydevelopments.co.uk/

There was a holding page for a Harvey Developments website but now I just get a page for Windows Small Business Server 2003. :?

http://www.harveydevelopments.co.uk/

Your link never worked for me Liverdude.

It used to say website coming soon and have phone numbers and an e-mail address. Anyway, it's something to keep an eye on to see if anything appears.

It used to say website coming soon and have phone numbers and an e-mail address. Anyway, it's something to keep an eye on to see if anything appears.

Will do if you see something first keep us informed. :)

It can't be no coincidence that the King Eddies pub site and the business park were both bought at the same time by two seperate orginisations if they weren't actually working together on this surely,anyone else agree?

It can't be no coincidence that the King Eddies pub site and the business park were both bought at the same time by two seperate orginisations if they weren't actually working together on this surely,anyone else agree?

I would think it a coincidence too far but welcome regardless.

However if the two sites were developed in harmony we might well see something very special - perhaps even acting as some sort of gateway development in the future Central Docks.

It`ll certainly do no harm to the CBD and Princes Dock areas.

Sebo's comment that the whole area could be changed to form a new junction, taking Leeds Street in to the dock and formining links with the area north of the King Eddie seems to have been taken on board.

Toad, do you think that could make Grt Howard St/Derby Rd less of a commuter thoroughfare, with more traffic diverted down the virtually abandoned Dock Rd?

Hopefully Bunny, at the moment the layout is all about funnelling everything along the front and into the city. This could be the first step to re energising the grid and recreating the historical neighbourhood instead of being that "crappy thoroughfare on the way to town".

It pisses me off. When I pick the missus up from Switch Island in the evening (b.i.n.g.o.) I often drive down past the docks due to the absence of traffic, police and pedestrian lights. The architecture and scenery down there is far superior to the car showroom strip further west.

It can't be no coincidence that the King Eddies pub site and the business park were both bought at the same time by two seperate orginisations if they weren't actually working together on this surely,anyone else agree?

Coincidence, doubt it ! What could happen ? The buyers of both sites knew of the others plans and will at some point team up, and Peel may not be the lead player.


Or the King Eddy buyer got wind of Peels interest in the K.E. estate and jumped in to buy the pub hoping to make a rapid sale and a quick buck off Peel.?

Also lets not forget that the DP reported many months back that the KE pub would only be worth buying for £6M , if it had planning permission for a large development. It does not have planning permission even for a pair of bungalows, so me thinks that both parties and the City Planners have a good idea on what will be allowed on this and the Industrial estate. For anyone to buy this relativly small site for £6M , they must be pretty dam sure that whatever will be built , will be BIG.

For anyone to buy this relativiy small site for £6M , they must be pretty dam sure that whatever will be built , will be BIG.

£6 million in comparison to the £163,000 Beetham paid for the West Tower site, whetever they build better be BIG! :)

well 163,000 goes into 6m roughly 38 times so :) i think they bought the king edward industrial parts aswell

Not quite Westie. They were bought by Peel in a £20m deal separately! :D

£6 million in comparison to the £163,000 Beetham paid for the West Tower site, whetever they build better be BIG! :)

Does anybody know just how big (or small) the King Eddy pub site is?
Is it just the pub or the pub with land around it ?

Woody, I'd say it's the whole plot of land that the pub is on. I think there is some kind of unit there too and a very small carpark, if my memory serves......

there is the pub and 2 units/shops

Google Earth picture of the site.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1241/kewi9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Google Earth picture of the site.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1241/kewi9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

`Costco` is going to be on a winner either way!

ie, More customers or soaring redevelopment land values.......

Maybe they can change into a department store and stay in the area.

`Costco` is going to be on a winner either way!

ie, More customers or soaring redevelopment land values.......

Maybe they can change into a department store and stay in the area.
Costco is liked Mc Donalds. Once you walk into one, you could be in any Costco in the world. I don't think they'll adjust their template just for Liverpool, but I hope so :)

Costco is liked Mc Donalds. Once you walk into one, you could be in any Costco in the world. I don't think they'll adjust their template just for Liverpool, but I hope so :)

Probably correct `DR`

But I`m sure it`s either going to be that, or sell up and move.

Their `footprint` is just too large and could accomodate several talls.

If they want to stay in the area which I think has been generally good for them - they should consider going multi floor in some new re-development.

It would be nice if Peel incorporate the derelict pub into its plans. Despite its run down state, it is still a striking building.

Both are only leased - the increase in land values will only be seen by owners of the freehold - is this now Peel ??

I seem to remember they are only on 20 years leases and they opened in 1995. Depending on the terms of the lease this means they will face huge cost rises due to a rent revue provision which will force them out or the land owners could choose to pay them to move out if they ca redevelop the land. Either way both stores need a low cost base and will end up moving to an out of town retail park in my opinion.

Costco here in the states have shown no desire to move away from their standard business model so I dont see why they would the UK.

what with all the ' ' signs Pietari lol

You mean ` marks Westi. I had to hunt every square centimetre of my keyboard for it. It's Pietari's trademark, rather like Highriser's,,,,,,,staccato,,,,,commas.

O next to number 1, `¬ ;)

It would be nice if Peel incorporate the derelict pub into its plans. Despite its run down state, it is still a striking building.

Peel don't own the pub Harvey Developments do and after the pice they paid for the site i'd say it's likely to go.

You mean ` marks Westi. I had to hunt every square centimetre of my keyboard for it. It's Pietari's trademark, rather like Highriser's,,,,,,,staccato,,,,,commas.

Gee I have a `Trade Mark` ..... :)

Interestingly `Leeds` has passed plans for potentially the UKs tallest building......

http://www.lumiereaboveall.com/
http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=345644&page=2&pp=20

Still I don`t think they should get too excited just yet..... :)

Leeds No1 will have a field day

This would be brilliant if we could get a really tall tower here imagine what it would do for the skyline,and plot 3a on Princes Dock is at present a gap in the skyline so this proposed 38 storey tower would be perfect for there,I'm keen to see both of these built.

The UK's tallest building my arse...

The UK's tallest building my arse...
Is this a reply to a post made 18 hours ago? (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=9382671) Was your intention to make your response so vague, as to confuse posters to which post you were replying to? If so, what were your motives?

I don't trust you at all.

I think he was replying to pietari's post, its not the tallest building in the uk is it, you must mean outside london?

Interestingly `Leeds` has passed plans for potentially the UKs tallest building......

http://www.lumiereaboveall.com/
http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=345644&page=2&pp=20

Still I don`t think they should get too excited just yet..... :)

My original post was with regards to Leeds passing the plans for their very tall.

Accy will be aware as he trolls there very often.

Liverpool might still have an ace or two up it`s sleeve.

The Daily Post is reporting Planners and the developers are locked in talks over apartment density for this site.500 apartments in 2 towers,so it's going to be a big one
PL/INV/0081/07 Former King Edward Public House and adjacent land/buildings, King Edward Street, Liverpool To erect mixed development of 512 apartments with retail, leisure and commercial uses with car parking and associated infrastructure New

so, from 1x47 to 2x27????

Don't think the footprint's big enough for 2 27's Westie,one of them has to be a tall.Alexander is 27 with 220 but a big footprint.

Some interesting quotes from the article.

"Talks with the council have been ongoing for several months, but getting any kind of clear guidance from them has been a struggle" sounds familiar!!

"The agency's development director Martin Wright said: "This is a key gateway from the north of the city and we would like to see something happening there as soon as possible, but any development needs to be appropriate" that word again.

"Another source close to the talks said there were no sticking points about the height but rather the quality and density of the residential element"

Just wondering where Liverpool, the most business friendly city in the UK, is going with this??


http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200businessnews/tm_method=full%26objectid=18433909%26siteid=50061-name_page.html

Don't think the footprint's big enough for 2 27's Westie,one of them has to be a tall.Alexander is 27 with 220 but a big footprint.

What? So the alex site is bigger than the king eddie site? And alex is 27 floors with 220 apartments and king eddie will have 512 apartments? That makes a single tower about 60+ stories?! How can they fit twin towers on to a plot smaller than alex's?

I hope it's one big tower as it's a great spot for a tall but with the council being nobs then it'll probably be stumped and the number of apartments shrunk.

Don't think the footprint's big enough for 2 27's Westie,one of them has to be a tall.Alexander is 27 with 220 but a big footprint.

Good point GV, it does look a small site, so 2 x 35 is more likely. But the problems persist, now we have two major schemes, this and 3a doing battle with the planners, lets hope Liverpool Vision can resolve the deadlock.:ohno:

Surely with so much dodgy Irish investment happening in the city, it might only be a matter of time before the planning dept. is nothing but a large crater. ;)

lol bunnyman, let's hope so. maybe some people with brains and ability to think logically can take over then.

"Another source close to the talks said there were no sticking points about the height but rather the quality and density of the residential element"


Hopefully this means one of the buildings will be tall, maybe our tallest?

Lets put it into perspective.

Eastgate in Manchester Has 430 Apts in the main tower, from floors 21-60, that's 39 storeys

In the 2nd smaller tower, there is 267 Apts over 15 floors

I reckon you'll have a 30 storey in there for sure.

It's on the site of a pub. It's hardly a massive footprint. To put it back into perspective, Beetham West has 130 apartments over 35 storeys.

I know there are different developers now etc, but could they be going for something similar to these plans?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/DevelopmentSummary/kingedwardtower2.jpg

Who are the developers on this site again anybody?

I know there are different developers now etc, but could they be going for something similar to these plans?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/DevelopmentSummary/kingedwardtower2.jpg

If so I can understand why there would be issues with quality. The view of the tower coming from the north is no better than that of Beetham 1.

I'd hate to think it looked anything like these renders they're fookin 'orrible.

Yeh i thought the same, it looks exactly the same as beetham tower.

I wouldn't worry too much it'll never look anything like this.

Yeah that's an old render anyway and if the developer has changed since then there's no chance of getting that one.

Out of interest which would people prefer? One 60 story tower, two 30 story towers or 2 towers, one large one small (say 45 & 15).

one large one small (say 45 & 15).This for me I think a 60 storey would look bizarre anywhere in the city centre.

45 & 15 for me too, though I wouldn't be mind a single 60 either. We're more likely to get 30 & 30, probably.

wat about a 40 and 30? Cud get something looking like riverside south, albeit u cud say that city lofts looks like that. How big a footprint have we got here, as big as beetham had on their site?

wat about a 40 and 30? Cud get something looking like riverside south, albeit u cud say that city lofts looks like that. How big a footprint have we got here, as big as beetham had on their site?

Its a pretty small footprint, bigger than Westy, but lets keep "raising the bar", I would love to see a 55 and 25. This site will be the northern gateway so lets see a dramatic tower. With Peel also planning (we hope ) something big on the adjacent industrial estate ,this tower must make a "soaring statement" on the skyline.

I agree with Woody on this one, altough I doubt we'll see a 60+ building in the next 5 years in the current climate, this would be a great place for a 50, and if the developers have got any sense they'll use the Brunswick tower 'right tower, wrong place' argument to try and leaverage that kind of height. Ie. the council has officially said that a 50+ building is ok for Liverpool... the question remains.. where's the 'right place'...

Just checked out the planning aplcs. for King Eddies and plot 3A Princes Dock, on the Councils planning portal. Not a lot of information, but on the CONSTRAINTS section it states both developments are over 90 meters. Does this help in trying to guess their height.

nope, it just says they are both at least the same height as beetham 1

And neither are shorter than the Royal Liver Building. :) It's waterfront monopoly will be broken! :cheers:

I hope they are both over 100m, king eddie should be over 120m at least. They will be taller than the liver bdg but if they were both to be 90m then the invisible ceiling over the city would still be in effect.

Could we get something like La Lumeire here?

am i missing something here or what? (quite possible) but has anything actually been announced and if so... how much of its is likely to get lobbed of the top by CABE and co?

am i missing something here or what? (quite possible) but has anything actually been announced and if so... how much of its is likely to get lobbed of the top by CABE and co?

Yes mate you have missed it,if you read back a bit you'll see a seriously big tower is planned for here,maybe two towers actually.:)

^^Not yet, Busta. A developer, Harvey Developments, has been reported to have stated their intention to develop the KE site, with 2 towers, containing over 500 flats. This must be a big development.

A planning application has been made but we've seen no renders yet. A story in the Daily Post last week reported that the developers were in talks with the city planning authority but were experiencing difficulties in getting clear guidance on what would be acceptable for the site. This could be the developers trying it on, although it's the type of thing we've heard before from *some* developers in Liverpool, but not all.

Liverpool Vision has stepped in to help things about, it is also reported.

^^Not yet, Busta. A developer, Harvey Developments, has been reported to have stated their intention to develop the KE site, with 2 towers, containing over 500 flats. This must be a big development.

A planning application has been made but we've seen no renders yet. A story in the Daily Post last week reported that the developers were in talks with the city planning authority but were experiencing difficulties in getting clear guidance on what would be acceptable for the site. This could be the developers trying it on, although it's the type of thing we've heard before from *some* developers in Liverpool, but not all.

Liverpool Vision has stepped in to help things about, it is also reported.


shock horror, developer struggling to get any guidance from the council......

thanks for the info guys.... for me it needs to be bigger than westie at its tallest otherwise we are in serious danger of having a false ceiling on the city....

anyway who will buy these apartments?

The same people who will buy the thousands of other apartments being built. :dunno: I hope all the developers in the city have planned how they will fill their buildings because there really is thousands..

shock horror, developer struggling to get any guidance from the council......

thanks for the info guys.... for me it needs to be bigger than westie at its tallest otherwise we are in serious danger of having a false ceiling on the city....

anyway who will buy these apartments?

just about the only people who can afford to buy these apartments (lets face it, you wouldnt get much change out of £250,000), are Southern relocaters to the north! i.e London and South East money is effectively doubled when moving up north in the property market. if you dont belive me, take a tour around the albert dock, kings dock. you wont hear many scouse accents!

I'd love to see two towers of 50 / 30. I agree with someone else's post, 60 might look out of place but who knows what the skyline is going to look like in 10 to 15 years time.

In order to fill all the empty apartments and also the ones proposed, Liverpool really needs to attract some outside investment to bring the workers in.

If the apartments don't sell, it's tough shit on the developers. If they do sell for the buy-to-let market and fail to shift, then it's tough shit on speculators hoping to make a big fat return on their investments throughout the city. The market will decide whether it's viable to have more apartments. Hell, even a city centre price crash due to oversaturation of the market will only help to balance out the artificially inflated house prices in the south of the city, where perfectly usable houses are bought up by associations and left to rot.

The council has ordered the demolition, sorry if this is old news as I havent red all posts. this may push them owner/developer

The plans for this are still not available for inspection. Planning application number PL/INV/0081/07 refers to the scheme but the 'INV' abbreviation means that the application is invalid, this can be for a number of reasons eg. missing information within the application, incorrect fee paid etc. so we'll have to wait a bit longer (no idea how much longer)

Just so long as it is something like that, and not that it has been rejected or withdrawn

good news guys, i have renders of this scheme. i will post them tomorrow, im too tired to do it now. it's a two tower scheme, 500 apartments, tallest tower is about the height of beetham west and the shorter tower is a little over 100m.

good news guys, i have renders of this scheme. i will post them tomorrow, im too tired to do it now. it's a two tower scheme, 500 apartments, tallest tower is about the height of beetham west and the shorter tower is a little over 100m.

Thanks gothic for keeping us in suspenders for the sake of a few poxy hours:ohno: Sorry but here in Christchurch NZ its only 3pm in the afternoon and the sun is blazing down :lol:

OK ,only joking :lol: cheers for this info , so it could be a 45 & 30 storey scheme, still bloody big for such a small footprint :nuts: We will all be waiting for you to have a hearty breakfast and get................Posting :banana: :lol: :banana:

so about 135m and 105m?

about 42 aand 32 stories respectivly

good news guys, i have renders of this scheme. i will post them tomorrow, im too tired to do it now. it's a two tower scheme, 500 apartments, tallest tower is about the height of beetham west and the shorter tower is a little over 100m.

What a teaser!! Get out of bed gothic and post them renders!!

James you bastard! Wake up and give us some renders!!!!!!! :lol:

500 apartments?

Holy Smoke!

If you added Beetham West & Beetham 1 totals together you get about 260 apartments total? This must carry some serious bulk or a huge podium?

Can't wait to see the renders!

Where's that salivating with expectation smilie gone? :scouserd:

We don't like that smilie Tom. It's a racist.

Well, technically it's Scousist.. which is far worse of course..

Well, technically it's Scousist.. which is far worse of course..

http://skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/scouserdave.gif
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http://skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/scouserdave.gif

:o naughty

It's certainly Scouserdavist.

ok im up now, and writing about this. ill post the story when its done... gotta get all the details together, i dont have the heights for the buildings but i do have the floor counts which should help. tlalest is 46 by my reckoning.

Forty-six? Promising. Post the pics Jacobus.

Promising indeed! 46 will go very nicely on that spot, especially with a smaller tower next to it - this is turning out to be a fantastic cluster! Bring on the renders!!

ok im up now, and writing about this. ill post the story when its done... gotta get all the details together, i dont have the heights for the buildings but i do have the floor counts which should help. tlalest is 46 by my reckoning.


Good morning Mr. Gothicform, trust you slept well:lol: 46 does "raise the bar" cheers for that, looking foreward to you "write up" and renders.:banana: IMO is is vital that this scheme is higher than Beetham West, the planners must not be allowed to think that WestTower was an exception, just a step up to ever increasing heights of towers destined for the ever expanding CBD.

just about the only people who can afford to buy these apartments (lets face it, you wouldnt get much change out of £250,000), are Southern relocaters to the north! i.e London and South East money is effectively doubled when moving up north in the property market. if you dont belive me, take a tour around the albert dock, kings dock. you wont hear many scouse accents!

When they interviewed the residents next to the collapsed crane in Ropewalks they all sounded like southerners as well.

Good morning Mr. Gothicform, trust you slept well:lol: 46 does "raise the bar" cheers for that, looking foreward to you "write up" and renders.:banana: IMO is is vital that this scheme is higher than Beetham West, the planners must not be allowed to think that WestTower was an exception, just a step up to ever increasing heights of towers destined for the ever expanding CBD.

Excellent point Woody - every time the bar is set, we mustn't leave it in place too long or else it becomes ceiling. We've got to keep pushing the boundaries, and fortunately a lot of developers want to find USP's like being the 'tallest' in the city, or the first development over XX storeys.

46 would be fantastic here, and will probably seem about a floor higher due to the natural elevation of the site compared to the Beetham towers..

The towers must be very skinny to fit both on to this site, floor heights seem similar to this scheme in manc:

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/828NewSkyscraperProposedForManchester_pic1.jpg

[sorry if you scrolled down the page and got excited thinking this was the actual render :D)

With the arndale to the left, not thank you:)

Await ye no longer

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/news.php?ref=829

meh i dont even like this

EDIT: I posted the "meh i dont even like this" about the ones in manchester, but it looks like DJ Billy beat me to commenting.

The new towers look kinda cool

they look sound i reckon

I count 43 floors plus a six level high base on the shorter tower. Not a bad size!

A FERRARI DEALERSHIP :O

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5983/829firstimagesofkingedwjk9.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2788/829firstimagesofkingedwvz8.jpg

"The pictures, clearly an indicative version rather than definitive"

Yeah, you can't tell from those renders what it'll be like. I hope we get more renders soon.

I like the skyline pciture! Thanks for pics :)

Is that tower on the left of the second pic an out-of-proportion City Lofts or the 3a tower?

Bit of a shame its not bigger than Beetham West but still it looks good.

Is that tower on the left of the second pic an out-of-proportion City Lofts or the 3a tower?

both :D

I like it......there again, i always like talls, they display power and confidence. Looking at the Manchester render, looks like the race for sky's is heating up in the North, its really exciting.

The King Edward tower is obviously not just a rumour now.

It kind of reminds me of the commerz bank in frankfurt.

But, guys, dont hold your breath, the planners have managed to mess up every single tower that has ever been brought forward for Liverpool for the most insane of reasons, i have no doubt them, and CABE - "we like everything you dont" - will need to be appeased to so expect it to become yet another stump representation of the disease that is pulling back Liverpool's real progress.

Our neighbours must think their blessed when they see the shambolic antics of the planners in liverpool..........:ohno: :nuts:

I dunno yuppie it might not get stumped, hasn't it been said that there is no problem with the height? The problems are with the desity of apartments - which seems a fair argument with 512 packed in there. Also CABE objected to plot 3a as it was'nt right in there with the rest of our 'cluster', they can't really deny that this is a great place for height.

I count 43 floors plus a six level high base on the shorter tower. Not a bad size!

I count about the same, so about 49 for the smaller tower about 52 (I haven't actually counted) for the bigger, surely the smaller tower is bigger than Beetham West?

No doubt it'll be slated for it's Beetham-esque cladding...

Looking good on first impressions, although I doubt the finished reality will look like that, and personally I'll be surprised if it gets passed at more than 45 storeys (given the councils 10% chopping rule). Although it's not a particularly 'iconic' design I think that's less important when towers form part of an emerging cluster, than when they stand out on their own. Personally I think Manchester's Beetham tower looks like an awkward lanky giant as it is, but as soon as a decent cluster develops it'll come into it's own.

Anyway, be interesting to see what CABE et al come up with to object to this one...

Let's play 'objection bingo' .. I opt for 'should not overshadow the neighbouring Beetham towers'... any advances?

I know the design will probably change but I've got to say boys I liking what I see.:D

hang on 49 and 52, both would be well bigger

As far as we know, the King Eddie towers are purely residential, whereas the lower floors of Beetham West are office space. That'll close the gap somewhat. You're good at this kinda thing, Westie. Do the sums and let us know what you get.

hang on 49 and 52, both would be well bigger

They might not be that tall. I just counted what I thought looked like the floors on the smaller one and added a couple for the large one, those guesses could easily be wrong.

With the angles of the renders, the higher ground of the beeths and the 5 office floors it probably would look the same height from certain places.

I know I'm being a bit thick here, but could someone confirm exactly where the King Eddies site is?

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/7240/image1bf1.jpg

My understanding is

A = Beetham 1 & 2
B = ?
C = ?
D = Pall Mall development?
E = ?
F = Unity
G = ?

its further up isnt it?

It's off the top of the photos, just north of B.

the site is just a little bit showing at the top left of the main road

Just up and a bit left of B. I thought C was going to be part of the pall mall development along with D?

Here's one I made earlier! :)

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1241/kewi9.jpg

Well after doing my calc at the same floor height as BW (3.2m) i get 153m for the smaller one and assuming the bigger one is 3 more stories, it will be about 166m, Brunswick height

My thickness doth continue..

Is it A, B or C?

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/3903/kewi9dm3.jpg

Its C

C, Schmee!

http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/pierhead/ndock/edward.jpg

Going to be tight fit for 2 towers both over 150m+ i made an error with the taller 1, its 54 stories @ 173m, bigger than beetham Manc even with its blade:)

Thanks guys.. nice location! Anyone know if there are any plans for the Pig and Whistle site? (G on my map above)

Tom, it's not any of the sites you cirlced. Its over the road:

http://www.talkdesign.net/otr.jpg

Absolutley made up with this fellas! So excited, our skyline is going to be amazing.

Were gonna wipe the floor with Manc, Leeds, Brum... everyone! A truly resurgent city and were living it right now, fantastic! Can't wait to see it rise :cheers:

Thanks guys.. nice location! Anyone know if there are any plans for the Pig and Whistle site? (G on my map above)

Lol TOM, we've only just got King Eddy's mate calm down, calm down, all in good time! Heh heh only kiddin :)

i think that maybe the ppl behind King eddy site have been talking to the coucil and i think that maybe they are ok with the idea as it is right in the high rise zone, i hope so anyway:)

C, Schmee!

http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/pierhead/ndock/edward.jpg

^^

Nowhere on the King Eddie tower render does it show the retention of the King Edward pub facade. After all, look at the way the fishermans cottage complements the Old Hall Street ....hahaha.

site.:nono: :crazy: :weird: :bowtie: :laugh: :wtf: :lol:

Lol TOM, we've only just got King Eddy's mate calm down, calm down, all in good time! Heh heh only kiddin :)

No time like the present... if they're quick enough they can use the BW crane to build a 50+ on the Pig & Whistle site!

Shit! Liverpool's skyline could rival anywhere else in the UK (bar London) put together in a few years... great height and seem to be in the right place on the skyline :) A few more renders would sure be lovely though

Shit! Liverpool's skyline could rival anywhere else in the UK (bar London) put together in a few years... great height and seem to be in the right place on the skyline :) A few more renders would sure be lovely though


http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4428/crystalserenity2mz3sk5.jpg

It wont rival them it'll piss on them,note this picture has no west tower,new world square,plot 3a,alexandra tower and the 2 king eddies towers,no other city can throw up an image like this.These towers will make a massive difference to what you're seeing here.

yeah liverpool will rival in terms of the amount of buildings but piss on them because more or less everything is being build in a small area but ive always said, liverpool will have the best non london skyline.

lmao, im that pic of the cruise liner, i have just realised that the mersey ferry is along side it! Thats some difference in size!

just looking at that jib on alexandras' crane, the jib is bigger than the stem and its any wonder it doesn't bend under loads etc

but the crane is attached to the building isnt it? So it wont need to carry things at the end of the jib, everything will be carried closer to the stem