cont ...

I say, language.

my atempt at making 1 Princes dock, Alexandra toer failed but our 21 strorey toer looks okhttp://www.magix-photos.com/mediapool/76/32/9E/10/C5/4E/11/D9/A2/E8/56/47/D4/8B/29/30/10/5C986790D1E811D9B1411378D48B281D.jpg

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wouldnt this look great in that area.

It would, I agree.. Has a certain Rotterdamn-look to it.. Which I think would suit Liverpool's Waterfront.

For some reason it has an incomplete look about it to me. Perhaps the external steel girders (or whatever they are).

Anybody any info on whats being built on Princes Dock in the way of bars, restaurants ect.

I had a quick walk round the dock yesterday. It seems to have a lot more life about it, more people, more traffic etc than just six months ago. I saw a mini bus but couldn't quite figure out what route it was, but it's a good sign of progress if there is a bus link. But I don't like all the red "don't do this, don't do that - it is prohibited" style signs. They especially don't seem to allow fishing, not sure why.

Can anyone remember who it was who said we wouldn't even notice the car park once it was built? Was it Woody? Maybe more than one said that. Anyway, I think he / they are right, it does seem to blend in, in my opinion.

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After just reading Sloynes comments on the Cruise Terminal thread, regarding the expected amount of visitors from the cruise ships, it seems imperative that Peel get there act together and build some type of 24hr. entertainment facility(pubs bars clubs restaurants casino ect) on Princes dock. Not all of the visitors will want to go trooping around the city, some may not have enough time(some ships may only be docked for a few hours), some may not be fit enough(a lot of older people cruise nowdays), but i think a lot would like to get off the ship, if only for a couple of hours. The entertainment center could have a Liverpool theme, ie Beatles club, LFC shop, Titanic bar(no ice served), and Im sure it would be a money-spinner for Peel and the city in general.

it seems imperative that Peel get there act together and build some type of 24hr.
The average cruise ship visit is between 8 and 12 hours in Caribbean ports. There are very few ports in that part of the world that cater for longers stays. The exceptions are San Juan,PR, Aruba and Curacao and these ports reap the benefits, late shopping, casino, dockside festivities and cultural presentations. Every ship has duty-free shops and a casino but, they are closed while in port so, if Liverpool were to provide a dockside casino and/or provide transportation to a nearby facility it would syphon off some of the money gambled aboard ship. The more facilities offered to cruise passengers, the longer the ships will stay in port. There is no point in having a cruise ship alongside from 8:00AM to 12:Midnight if everything ashore, except pubs, is closed at 6:00PM.

European Mediteranean cities are, of course, open later. Barcelona for example, will usually offer free bus rides into the cities numerous squares and, the siesta being over, the city is a shoppers mecca late into the evening. With the right attitude and LEADERSHIP Liverpool could become a magnate for cruise ships and there passengers.

Couldn't agree more Begsy. I think Martin or someone suggested mooring old barges alongside the dock walls and converting them into trendy bars/pubs as a way of increasing entertainment, when I brought the issue up on the last thread. Quite original and certainly a selling point if it could be pulled off well - I believe this sort of idea is used in Amsterdam quite a lot.

Also I was told that there were provisional cafe/restaurant/bar schemes in place, although I haven't heard anything about these as of yet.

Is that an algal bloom on the dock? Not a good indicator of water quality if it is. I'd say they should instigate some schemes to increase biodiversity in Princes Dock as it seems so sterile when I visit. The half tide dock seems to fair much better (Dave's heron pic). There's an immense amount of wildlife in the Coburg/Brunswick docks; I used to love hanging over the side of the pontoons and watching the eels/crabs/shellfish lurking in the colourful seaweeds in summer.

Poli, I think the mini bus you may have seen is indeed a service for Princes Dock the S3 which loops around town, Queens Square. The service is run with low emission hybrid engines, which explains the noise from them, I think Arriva have about half a dozen of them.

Yapachoo, Princes Dock is oxygenated there are about 5 or 6 outlets around the dock basin. Up until about 4 weeks ago the water was very clear you could easily see the bottom, so this algae is only recent, I don't know what MDHC will do about it.

Good pics Poli, I think the car park will help when the dock is bulked up by the Malmasion and probably another office building next to it.

Interesting to see Freds Weather map has turned up in the dock.

Great pics Liverpolitan :cheers:

I have noticed all he restriction signs, there is one about the area not being public access. You can go up the stone turret on the corner of the dock near the City lofts building for different picture angle.

Actually looks like you did in your second pic. :)

A few pics from this afternoon, shame about the dull weather!!!

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Nice pics yuppie, I haven't seen that view before, I am too lazy to walk that far, but for first time I can see what back of Beetham looks like. While I agree with others who have said it's not great, and shouldn't be repeated in future buildings, it's not that bad. I think a lot will depend upon how the surface material weathers, it looks okay now, but hopefully it won't stain unevenly. It must look good for people in cars - in a few years, in the evening when all the lights in the flats are on, it will look great.

yuppie, liverpolitan, great pics. The car park isnt as bad as I'd anticipated, but I dont like the way it blocks out a fragment of the Liver Building from some angles.

I drove past the Malmaison site today. A Portaloo has appeared (the first sign of approaching construction activity) and signs advertising the contractor Amec have been fixed to the fencing.

Official start date is July 4th. but I can see them being on site before then. Not bad to have three major developments on the go at once at Princes.

[QUOTE=liverpolitan]ICan anyone remember who it was who said we wouldn't even notice the car park once it was built? Was it Woody? Maybe more than one said that. Anyway, I think he / they are right, it does seem to blend in, in my opinion.

Yes it was me, :) I often think that to be to critical of developments based upon renders is a mistake, also you need to look at the bigger picture. How will a particular development "sit " with adjacent structures. I am sure that this much maligned MSCP will blend in with its location.

Great pics, liverpolitan

The MSCP is not a particularly nice building. Actually it is quite crap from an architectural point of view but you have to remember it is a car park. I think when it gets more company, Malmasion etc, it won't all that bad.

Nice pics yuppie, I haven't seen that view before, I am too lazy to walk that far, but for first time I can see what back of Beetham looks like. While I agree with others who have said it's not great, and shouldn't be repeated in future buildings, it's not that bad. I think a lot will depend upon how the surface material weathers, it looks okay now, but hopefully it won't stain unevenly. It must look good for people in cars - in a few years, in the evening when all the lights in the flats are on, it will look great.

I agree, Liverpolitan. Beetham Tower was only ever designed with due consideration for the front as the views from the ferries and for Wirral residents are deemed more important than that of those who shop, work and live in the downtown & inner city areas. As Bunnyman pointed out to me, it looks like a load of breeze blocks plonked ontop of each other and I agree. It may need rerendering in the not too far distant future to look alright but yet again we may have many more taller and more attractive buildings detracting from it. West Tower should look OK from the back as I believe Beetham originally intended to again not bother with the rear of the building but was forced by the heritage lobby (one of the few occassions they've proved themselves useful!!!) to reconsider. So hopefully our skyline will be looking sweeter when approaching from Edge Lane/Prescot Road/West Derby Road approaches in a few years time.

I was driving past Princes' Dock on Saturday afternoon - saw several lorries parked up outside RSA loaded with bits of a crane. Maybe this is the crane to be used for Malmaison?

Then again maybe its one of the Unity / City Lofts cranes that's being taken down?

(Ignore this! I've just read Yapachoo's post on the Development Summary!)

I was driving past Princes' Dock on Saturday afternoon - saw several lorries parked up outside RSA loaded with bits of a crane. Maybe this is the crane to be used for Malmaison?

Then again maybe its one of the Unity / City Lofts cranes that's being taken down?

(Ignore this! I've just read Yapachoo's post on the Development Summary!)

Something to do with the RSA wasn't it? :cheers:

They have just started provisional clearance work on Malmaison as i walked passed!

:cheers:

They have just started provisional clearance work on Malmaison as i walked passed!

That's great news and about time.

Where's Kung Fuzi, there's a pint waiting for you here. :cheers: :cheers:

That's great news and about time.

Where's Kung Fuzi, there's a pint waiting for you here. :cheers: :cheers:


Thanks Gazz. :cheers:

Start of site clearance.

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Looks like I'll have to start a Malmaison photo gallery, Doug. Great picture and historic with Unity rising in the background.

Excellent pics Doug :cheers:

Can't wait to see some activity here, let's hope they put in a planning application part way through construction, for an additional say 5 stories, what with Peel taking over MDHC, and the size of all other buildings around it. :)

Thanks guys, this site has been in the planning/design stages for a long time great to see a start!! more work for you Martin!!

My sis is looking into taking up photography as a serious hobby/profession and so I suggested we went down to Princes Dock today so she could get to grips with using a new camera on urban landscapes. I took her digi cam and did some point and clicks of my fave development area while we were there.

I was also quite pleased to spot two little fish in the dock amongst the mass of that mingin' green weed choking it.

1) City Lofts
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2) Office Complex
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3) Nicking a good angle for a Beetham tower shot from my sis
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4) Little bit of vegetation!
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5) Minge Bridge
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6) Looking across dock to Bullet site
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7) That Carpark
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8) Looking out towards Wallasey/NB
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well in mate, ill pretend i didn't see the last picture

Well it ain't a great view I'll admit! The cloud structure was interesting though. Is that bit of derelict stuff going to be swallowed up by the new landing stage/cruise liner bit?

minge bridge?? Brilliant.

Also, is your sister available?

the office core on the 230ft tower looks out of place. But there would be no apartment space harldy if it where inside the superstructure

nice pics Yapachoo. I like the clouds clearing sky over Wallasey Town Hall one as well.

Minge bridge (or a close variant) is the divine creation of Bunnyman I think, or someone with a similar mentality! Couldn't agree more though.

My sis would be mortified if she saw that mrout - She'd batter you with her ZSK (a big mish mash of martial arts apparently) moves in a second!:D

It was the Toad. I far too much respect for the lesser gender to make such a comparison. ;)

ZSK? Wasn't that a stubby 1980's computer with rubber keys? :?

nice pics yapachoo but i think you have to visit that area at night to get the best pictures.

Thanks guys, I agree that at night the area is even more impressive. During the day though you can start to get a sense of what it will be like to stand in the same area in a few years time, with the knowledge that Alex, B2 and Malmaison will be up, with the cruise liner terminal and perhaps more proposals for existing space by Peel Holdings in the pipeline. Crossed fingers there will also be some trendy bars and more innovative lighting effects and well planned vegetation too. It all feels so new and clean cut, contrasting with the historic stuff just up-river.

Not only this, but there'll be great cruise liners docking alongside the lower end of the dock, adding to what will be a really fantastic, vibrant area. The place is really coming alive, and to think this is only a small zone of regeneration is brilliant!

Ideally by the end of this month we'll have tower cranes up for all three impending developments. Does anyone know, or could anyone give an educated guess as to how much longer the piling process could take for Alex? I'm guessing piling needs to be done for Mal and B2 also, which could take us into August before construction on these sites becomes really apparent.

your right what a great area and it is only half finished on the pilling for alex tower i am no expert but the area is only very small so it shouldnt take too much longer.

That's cool Tommy. It's difficult to tell 'coz of the amount of crap lying around too! I wonder if the fact Alex is right on the river on the dock wall makes a difference to the length of time it takes to do piling? I'm thinking in terms of how long it will take B2 to have a similar amount of piling done, but inland above more bedrock.

That's cool Tommy. It's difficult to tell 'coz of the amount of crap lying around too! I wonder if the fact Alex is right on the river on the dock wall makes a difference to the length of time it takes to do piling? I'm thinking in terms of how long it will take B2 to have a similar amount of piling done, but inland above more bedrock.
didnt think of that i suppose there is a lot more care being taken with alexs pilling but i dont think their will be any problems its all on solid ground i hope :)

It looks to me that the piling for Alexandra Tower is a bit more complex than for most locations in Liverpool. Tall buildings are generally founded on rotary bored piles that are formed by drilling a hole, inserting a reinforcement cage and filling up with concrete.

However, in the case of Alex, being so close to the river, any pile hole would fill up almost immediately with water. If concrete was just poured into the hole, it would mix with the water and trap pockets of water that would seriously affect its strength.

The solution that they appear to have adopted at Alex, (and for the piling for PSDA along the Canning Dock wall) is to pour the concrete using a long sectional pipe, known as a tremmie. This allows the concrete to be poured from the bottom, with the pipe outlet always immersed in the concrete. In this way, water in the pile hole is displaced by the rising column of concrete and mixing doesn't occur.

I would expect this operation to be slower than conventional piling but the operation can't take much longer and will be followed by the construction of pilecaps that will form the foundation of the building.

As for Malmaison, almost certainly this will use piled foundations as it is located on made ground for the dock construction. Both the multi-storey car park and City Lofts used piles. In fact, almost every building built in Liverpool recently has used piled foundations. This surprises me as Liverpool sits on sandstone bedrock that outcrops at St James Mount. Perhaps this bedrock is too weathered or too riddled with ancient wells and tunnels to be relied on for foundation construction.

Wow thanks for that info Martin. I suppose the sandstone probably absorbs a lot of water too, making it unstable under lots of pressure?

I suppose I'm jumping the gun a bit to be expected tower cranes on site so soon, I forget how complex laying foundations can be when dealing with highrise buildings.

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Does anyone know whats happening with all the land that is fenced off there is quite a large area that is fenced off?

Well spotted Tommy. Have no idea why its fenced off. They're supposed to be building offices there eventually, but it might be to stop people parking up for free when they can pay to use the MSCP next door. :)

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Does anyone know whats happening with all the land that is fenced off there is quite a large area that is fenced off?

It could be storage area for AMEC on the Malmasion site, also room for a batching plant. Remember that the Malmison is being built between the CROWN PLAZA and that magnificent MSCP so space could be tight.

That fence has been there for some time, as has the one on the other side of Princes Dock, by Alexandra Tower. One purpose it serves is to stop people parking in these areas and so forcing them to use the MSCP (i.e. pay money). The sites are designated for office development but no plans have been announced since the original masterplan a few years back. I would expect that Peel will have some more ambitious plans.

i rekon the structure will be complete by christmas

The invisible car park, from Seacombe -

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MO, nice to have you back , great set of photos you have posted, thanks

Well spotted Tommy. Have no idea why its fenced off. They're supposed to be building offices there eventually, but it might be to stop people parking up for free when they can pay to use the MSCP next door. :)


the car park is contract only Mark, so you could not decide to just park there on a whim !

The entire car park? I know there were plenty of reservations there, but didn't think it'd be the whole lot!

The entire car park? I know there were plenty of reservations there, but didn't think it'd be the whole lot!

affirmitive kidda, i turned up one day in my motor and was politely told to Foxtrot Oscar!

:) In case no one has noticed (unlikely) ground work has begun on the Malmaison Hotel :cheers:

How far along now? I think Doug pointed this out last week. I can't wait for this to be built. Strange, but I'm not really arsed about Liverpool hotels, seeing as I won't be staying in any of them. :) Might take the tart up to Weegie World one weekend, and see what they've got to offer. :)

Shouldn't be long before the cranes move in (1)

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Shouldn't be long before the cranes move in (2)
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Looking good.

I got broadband today and it's nice to see photos appear in seconds and not minutes!

Dave, great pics from the MCP, piling well under way now.

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i am just getting :redx: for dougs pics.

That's a shame Tommy cos they're great, I like the way he's got the naked nymphs in the last shot.

I can see them...

Looking good.

I got broadband today and it's nice to see photos appear in seconds and not minutes!

I've just got a new computer and ordered broadband. I can't wait to get connected.

You not having broadband makes it doubly impressive that you do the threads you do.
Those pics must take an age to load.

You not having broadband makes it doubly impressive that you do the threads you do. Those pics must take an age to load.

Tell me about it. You should see our telephone bill.

Broadband is awsome. I have it... at work :)

Tell me about it. You should see our telephone bill.


Martin, Please no begging :) if you require a few bob to pay your phone bill, I am sure that all the guys here will be pleased to chip in :)

But don`t you dare ask me :bash: as I am a poor :2cents: and destitute.

Woody, perhaps you could borrow a few pounds from your chauffeur.

Woody, perhaps you could borrow a few pounds from your chauffeur.

Dam it I forgot about HIM :evil: I will go and ask , back in a mo .................................................................................................................................................. sorry he is skint, but he does appreciate all your hard work, and is willing to buy all your ale at the next meet :cheers:

I've just got a new computer and ordered broadband. I can't wait to get connected.

It's fantastic, although it's disturbing how quickly I'm getting towards my download limit!

I don't have a download limit.

What package are you on DJ?

I don't neither. I'm on Telewest.

How stable is Telewest G?

My mate has it, says its good, some others have moaned. Did you know you can get free phones call on cable, anywhere in the world?

It's been quite good for me and I've had it a couple of years no. It very rarely goes down. So I'd say it's quite stable.

The TV's inferior to Sky though. Telewest digiboxes are shite! :bash:

Yep. What's with the stupid channel numbering too?

The numbering used to be better, ie BBC1 Manc was Ch1, BBC2 England was Ch2 & Granada was Ch3 and so on. The numbering and the display gets more inefficient from each overhaul of the system.

I don't have a download limit.

What package are you on DJ?

It's with a company called Nildram. It's 2Mbps with a 1Gb download limit for £15.99 a month (you can get additional Gbs for 99p each though).

They're meant to be very reliable and they have good customer service. The main reason we went with them though is that there's no 1 year contract.

The TV's inferior to Sky though. Telewest digiboxes are shite! :bash:

We want to get Sky before the footie season starts (oops, too late!), but the letting agency never get back to us about it when we ask.

It's with a company called Nildram. It's 2Mbps with a 1Gb download limit for £15.99 a month (you can get additional Gbs for 99p each though).

They're meant to be very reliable and they have good customer service. The main reason we went with them though is that there's no 1 year contract.
Iv'e got Nildram also, only the dslsurf 500 (1/2 meg) with no download limits. £22. Checked out the service youre on but realised i would be over the limit, and i dont do any file sharing like napster. You will be frustrated with this site though as sometimes it can take 1/2 a minute for a page to start to load after you have clicked on it (as if it has got lost down one of those maze puzzles before it find it's way to you), once the page starts to load though the pictures do come up fast.

Iv'e got Nildram also, only the dslsurf 500 (1/2 meg) with no download limits. £22. Checked out the service youre on but realised i would be over the limit, and i dont do any file sharing like napster. You will be frustrated with this site though as sometimes it can take 1/2 a minute for a page to start to load after you have clicked on it (as if it has got lost down one of those maze puzzles before it find it's way to you), once the page starts to load though the pictures do come up fast.

Yeah, I've found that too.

I was disturbed at just how much I'd downloaded just doing 'normal' stuff. I've got through about 300Mb in 4 days (which is probably nothing to most people!) :o

We've just moved over to Bulldog. It's a bit on the expensive side at £29.99 (plus you have to change from BT) but we get 8Mbit/s. 300meg would take about six minutes at full speed. Makes the forum's photos quite nice to browse mind.

We've just moved over to Bulldog. It's a bit on the expensive side at £29.99 (plus you have to change from BT) but we get 8Mbit/s. 300meg would take about six minutes at full speed. Makes the forum's photos quite nice to browse mind.

That's a beast of a connection! UK Online are doing something similar I think.

I might stick all my old photos up now that I've got some webspace and a decent speed connection :)

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From www.downtownliverpool.org

Toot on the Mersey
News reaches us that drawings for the proposed new Pierhead ferry terminal may hint at a new 'design theme' that aesthetes are factoring in for the downtown waterfront.

Called 'the bathroom ensamble look' the new building seemingly aims to complement the duel toilet/bidet design chosen for the arena and conference centre on Kings dock!

Keep an eye out in the local press for a visual treat.

New ferry terminal? So the existing former bus station ferry terminal/Shanghai Palace is to cop it? Is there to be two landing stages, one for the ferries and the new big one for cruise liners? Or is this mixed up with the new cruise liner facility and (we hope) planned Cruise liner terminal? :?

Yep, even more scoobied than usual. Anyone shed some light on this?

The Mersey Ferries were going to get a new terminal at the south end (the Albert Dock end) of the landing stage as part of the Fourth Grace scheme so if this story does indeed relate to them it suggests they're going to have their new facilities afterall. Somewhere. There's certainly going to be a lot to fit in down there, what with the ferries, the Iom and Dublin (if they survive) boats, the liners.....marvellous. A big poke in the eye for all those idiots who think the Pier Head should just be a quiet, genteel picnic area cum heritage park rather than a chaotic hive of activity.

As for the stage, it'll be a single structure with a 250m extension on the Princes Dock end adding to the existing length of around 350m. As here -

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I think the buildings shown on the stage are indicative only though.


You really ought to leave Surrey, Squirrel. It rots the brain. And I should know... ;)

New ferry terminal? So the existing former bus station ferry terminal/Shanghai Palace is to cop it? Is there to be two landing stages, one for the ferries and the new big one for cruise liners? Or is this mixed up with the new cruise liner facility and (we hope) planned Cruise liner terminal? :?

Yep, even more scoobied than usual. Anyone shed some light on this

Emm, not sure that I can Awayo, this is similar to the confusion over the two Lime St towers. There will be TWO terminals, the first is being sanctioned by MERSEYTRAVEL to replace the existing MERSEY FERRY terminal which is attached to the restaurant at the Pier Head. The last I heard was that the owner of the Shanghai would not sell so a CPO and long fight could face Merseytravel in their desire for a new terminal, or they could build away from the restaurant. The second is the CRUISE LINER terminal to be situated on plot 7 in Princes Dock.
As far as I know there will be only one landing stage

Cheers MO for the pic :)

Does this mean we are looking at three separate projects connected with the landing stage?

1. The extension of the floating stage at the north end.

2. A new ferry terminal to replace the existing Shanghai Palace building.

3. A new cruise liner terminal on Plot 7, Kings Dock.

You really ought to leave Surrey, Squirrel. It rots the brain. And I should know...

Cheers for the info O. I think it's the ale that's done for me. And heading rain-sodden 'caseys' as a child.

Surrey? Yeah well, bet I'm the only one here who was surprised by meeting some llamas (http://www.surrey-hills-llamas.co.uk/index.html) on his walk home from work today.

Outlandish looking creatures and not as smelly as I'd imagined.

There's some in a field at the junction of the Coastal Road and Formby Bypass. Have a look for them next time you're there. :cheers:

Does this mean we are looking at three separate projects connected with the landing stage?

1. The extension of the floating stage at the north end.

2. A new ferry terminal to replace the existing Shanghai Palace building.

3. A new cruise liner terminal on Plot 7, Kings Dock.

Merseytravel went out to five architects last summer asking for designs for a new Mersey Ferry Terminal, their existing "tent" was created in 1990 as a temporary structure , would be demolished.

Martin, I have heard nothing on the fate of the Shanghai, it is doomed but may not be part of the new Terminal project.

There's some in a field at the junction of the Coastal Road and Formby Bypass. Have a look for them next time you're there. :cheers:

These buggers weren't in a field. They were loose and advancing towards me five-strong on a narrow canal-side path.

I had to get more close up and personal than you'd probably want to with a llama to get past them. Hence my concern about stink - have you ever caught a whiff downwind of a camel? They must wash them regularly or something though. Wouldn't want that job, apparently they spit highly acidic foul-stinking greenies when they get pissed off.

Anyway, back to ferries and stuff...

These buggers weren't in a field. They were loose and advancing towards me five-strong on a narrow canal-side path.

I had to get more close up and personal than you'd probably want to with a llama to get past them. Hence my concern about stink - have you ever caught a whiff downwind of a camel? They must wash them regularly or something though. Wouldn't want that job, apparently they spit highly acidic foul-stinking greenies when they get pissed off.

Anyway, back to ferries and stuff...


Mersey Ferries will not transport Llama`s, sorry Awayo you will just have to leave the buggers were you found them :rofl:

For those with Broadband, click on the link to test the speed of your connection.

I use it if pages are loading up slow. If the speed shows as normal, you know it's probably the website.

Broadband Speed Test (http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/speedtest.asp)

This Skyscrapercity website is the worst website i have ever experienced for pages to start to even load. You click on the thread, and wait minimum 5 seconds, maximum 2minutes, sometimes timeout. I know its only seconds, mostly 1/4 minute, but it is really annoying when you have broadband and nothing is happening. Once the page does come to life after 5sec-2min, it does load at broadband speed any pics etc. Any idea what the huge delay is between clicking a link and seeing any activity happening.

Edit 1:- it took 57 seconds for this message to load. :bash:
Edit 2:- it took "4 minutes" for the above edit to load. :bash: :bash:

I usually open up another window to view other websites while waiting for threads to load.

This Skyscrapercity website is the worst website i have ever experienced for pages to start to even load. You click on the thread, and wait minimum 5 seconds, maximum 2minutes, sometimes timeout. I know its only seconds, mostly 1/4 minute, but it is really annoying when you have broadband and nothing is happening. Once the page does come to life after 5sec-2min, it does load at broadband speed any pics etc. Any idea what the huge delay is between clicking a link and seeing any activity happening.

Edit 1:- it took 57 seconds for this message to load. :bash:
Edit 2:- it took "4 minutes" for the above edit to load. :bash: :bash:

I usually open up another window to view other websites while waiting for threads to load.

Well fuck me! I thought it was only me had problems with this site! I've got 2meg broadband (just recently) and it still takes forever for some pages to load on here. I thought I'd been sold a turkey but apparently not.

I can only agree with all of the above comments. SORT IT SKYSCRAPERCITY!

Is very fast at the moment 3 second lag only on all 10 threads viewed in past 1/2 hour. If only it could stay like this...!

Care Trust in move to new dock HQ

Aug 10 2005

By Larry Neild, Daily Post


Princes Dock - one of the city's commercial success stories

ONE of Merseyside's major NHS trusts last night announced it is moving its head office to Princes Dock, Liverpool's waterfront commercial location.

The small team running Mersey Care NHS Trust is due to transfer to No 8 Princes Parade next month.

The move is being forced by the closure of the trust's current address at Hamilton House, Pall Mall, in the business centre of Liverpool.

Trust chairman Steve Hawkins and chief executive Alan Yates will be joined by two other directors and support staff in the ground floor suite which will include a board room.

Mersey Care NHS Trust has a total of 4,700 people providing mental health and learning disability services across Liverpool, Sefton and Kirkby.

"It is essential that we are easily accessible to both our users and carers," said Director of Corporate Affairs Christine Hughes.

"When we were faced with the prospect of having to vacate our present city centre location it was imperative that our new head office was equally visible and convenient for all.

Princes Dock offered a modern, efficient and cost effective base." Ian Pollitt, chief executive of the Princes Dock Development Company, said: "It is gratifying to provide accommodation for a major public service organisation such as Mersey Care NHS Trust alongside some of our most prestigious private sector tenants.

"It is equally pleasing for the Development Company that Mersey Care NHS Trust has taken the only vacant area in No 8 Princes Parade which is now fully let. It now leaves only 4,058 sq ft of office accommodation available in the whole of Princes Dock."

Princes Dock is viewed as one of Liverpool's commercial success stories. As well as the Crowne Plaza hotel and the under-construction Malmaison Hotel, the dock is home to the Criminal Records Bureau and the Liverpool branch of the Queen's banker, Coutts.

Work is well under way on twin high rise residential towers, with work recently started on a second residential tower on the edge of the dock.

No details have been given of the rental levels being paid by the NHS Trust.

Ooh, I work there, erm, here. Every one else is moving to Arthouse Sq, Regatta Place or Wavertree Tech Park.

Another no-news piece from the echo.

It would be news if the the relocation was from another city, but it seems the only movement of companies to office buildings in Liverpool at the moment is from those within Liverpool.

There was another news story not so long ago about a company moving into princes dock - from another city centre office block!

It does mean that a significant site on pall mall has opened up though. I think Green Apple (is it?) have bought it and will be taking over from April.

No idea what they're planning on doing mind. Hamilton House is a big site.

Crazy Monster posted(on Beetham West thread ),a very interesting piece of information re: George Wimpey Homes in talks with PDDC over a 32 mike tower for Princes Dock.

If this was to be built, any suggestions guys on the most appropriate part of the dock . My guess would be plot 13 in Princes half tide dock, it would be a perfect location adjacent to City Towers and behind Alexandra Tower.

I'm back! :)

A 32 storey tower, very interesting. How come nobody else is interested in this, you haven't lost all hope have you although it's hard not to have?

How come nobody else is interested in this

I think nobody has took an interest in this because there is a good chance it is not even a real proposal,it was mentioned by a new poster with no information about the tower or what his source of information was in the first place.

3. A new cruise liner terminal on Plot 7, Kings Dock.

I just saw this on the planning explorer, is it for the terminal?


PL/INV/2719/05 (http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/mvm/StdDetails.aspx?TYPE=PL/DCAppFullPK.xml&PARAM0=186344&XSLT=xslt/planningapplicationdetails.xslt&DAURI=PLANNING)

Plot 7, Princes Parade, Princes Dock, Liverpool

To erect mixed development comprising 299 residential apartments, 182 bedroom hotel, ancillary health centre and spa, Class B1 Office suites, commercial floorspace falling within Use Classes A1, A3, A4; Create public piazza and associated pavillion building with associated hard and soft landscaping, 401 subterranean car parking spaces on three levels; vehicular access from Princes Parade and associated servicing and delivery arrangements

He/she mentioned Ethel Austin's however. who are rumoured to be bankrolling a tower, though nno location was ever suggested.

Gareth wasn't the ethel austin tower the one that is going somewhere in the Baltic Triangle?

I don't remember if there was a specific location for it. Maybe it will end up on the Baltic or Pricess Dock. I'm not going to speculate too much until we hear more about it.

I don't remember if there was a specific location for it. Maybe it will end up on the Baltic or Pricess Dock. I'm not going to speculate too much until we hear more about it.

I hope we hear more about it,I'm sure there is a vacant plot somewhere next to city lofts that could accomodate it? :)

...299 residential apartments, 182 bedroom hotel, ancillary health centre and spa, Class B1 Office suites, commercial floorspace falling within Use Classes A1, A3, A4; Create public piazza and associated pavillion building with associated hard and soft landscaping, 401 subterranean car parking spaces on three levels...That's a staggering set of numbers for a plot that is, nominally at least, smaller than the one behind it which accommodates just the Crowne Plaza.

MO, you're dead right! 481 in total residential + hotel rooms, this is BIG!!

by comparison;
Reach-271 flats
Lime St Gateway (28 mikes)-152 flats
City Loft (2 towers, 22+10 mikes)-162 flats

I think this must be a tower on a plot that size, does anyone still have access to the Princes Dock plot diagram? Woody??

^ Don't forget the office space.

Dude, yeah that as well, and 401 parking spaces to 3 levels UG, I think I will change my mind, this is REALLY BIG!

But a tower so close to the Liver, I can't see it happening.

Liverdude, Doug.
I think this must be a tower on a plot that size, does anyone still have access to the Princes Dock plot diagram? Woody??

This is the current site, a carpark.
http://www.123lcc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/post/zPlot7 princess dock.JPG

Click below for Princess dock site plan....is a bit old but gives you the general idea.

Princess dock site plan (http://www.123lcc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/post/PRINCESS DOCK MASTERPLAN.pdf)

But a tower so close to the Liver, I can't see it happening.

But if it does it'll look brilliant in that location,even if they downsize it i'd be happy just too see our cluster get bigger. :)

do we have a developer for this project?

Juxt, thanks for the post, I think the picture clearly shows this is not a big site, it looks quite a bit smaller than the Crowne Plaza to the left, also the Pierhead Canal has to run between the Crowne and plot 7.

what plot does the city lofts princes dock tower stand on?

what plot does the city lofts princes dock tower stand on?


City lofts stands on Plot 1.

alexandra tower is on plot 12?

do we have a developer for this project?


We don't know much yet.

alexandra tower is on plot 12?
That's correct, with Malmaison hotel/residential on plot 5 currently starting site prep.


With Plots 2, 3a, 3b, 11a, 11b. empty sites. Plot 3c is some sort of site access, as that side of Princess dock is bounded by a tall, listed wall.

Princess dock site plan (http://www.123lcc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/post/PRINCESS DOCK MASTERPLAN.pdf)

this is a potentailly huge development, is princes dock a designated tall buildings area, not that it matters like.

I can see the boys freshly inking the rejection stamp!!!

just imagine though if all these new projects get built in the princes' dock area, what a welcome to visitors on cruise ships

this is a potentailly huge development, is princes dock a designated tall buildings area, not that it matters like.

I can see the boys freshly inking the rejection stamp!!!

The original masterplan that juxtapol kindly posted, shows only an 11 mike tower, for this latest plan to accomodate 299 apartments, 182 bed hotel and 400 space underground carpark we must be looking at 2 towers of great height. I agree with bustcap, I just cannot imagine the "height police" being happy ,its position in front of and next to the Liver Bldg. will be the main problem. If Chieftain had a bit of the" brown stuff " hitting the fan ,this proposal will have a large bucket full. :) I would love to see more towers around the dock, but maybe this is one plot that should stay below 10 mikes.

I may be wrong and the developers have consulted all parties and got the ok to proceed with this very ambitious plan. I wonder if the docks new owners are somewere in the background? This is just the size that would meet with their approval.

Originally Posted by bustcapl
this is a potentailly huge development, is princes dock a designated tall buildings area, not that it matters like.

I can see the boys freshly inking the rejection stamp!!!


Will the council have any interest in this (similar to Concourse redevelopment, a scheme they are backing), due to it being part of the "Cruise liner stage", if so it may go smoothly like Concourse tower.

There was talk of a design competition for this site. I can't imagine anything over eleven mikes getting permission - it's just too close to the Liver Building. But for this particular development to be on Princes Parade, there is only one other site available and that is to the south of Alexandra Tower - a site designated in the masterplan for offices.

Is there any renderings of the "masterplan" ?

See post 123, Juxtapol posted the link to the only master plan published. It is somewhat out of date, but does indicate the known developments

Is there any renderings of the "masterplan" ?

There was one a few years back, but I think they just put in a few random buildings to give an idea of scale, rather than actual proposals.

Tower crane base ready, whehey!!

http://img283.imageshack.us/img283/7796/malmaison84xj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

just the one tho!! :-(

Go-ahead in sight for £200m Mersey docks development Aug 15 2001




by Bill Gleeson, Daily Post


MERSEY Docks and Harbour Company said yesterday it expects to win planning approval for the £200m regeneration of its central docks estate next month.

While publishing its interim results yesterday, the company also said it was close to signing deals with anchor tenants for the next building at its other major property scheme at Princes Dock, adding construction work will begin there shortly.

First publicised 18 months ago, the central docks plan has been the subject of two planning applications which have been bounced back to the company by Liverpool City Council.

Revised plans will now be submitted next month, the company said.

Chief executive Peter Jones said: "It has been through the grinder several times with Liverpool City Council and other consultees and we are expecting it go for planning consent in September."

He refused to disclose which property groups want to develop the 55-acre site, which takes in 1.25 miles of waterfront north of Waterloo Dock. He said: "There is a lot of interest in residential and other potential leisure and commercial developments.

"Things just take a long time. It is inevitable. It is a site on the waterfront and will without question be the major regeneration scheme in north Liverpool. It abuts Stanley dock and the world and his wife wants to make comments on what we propose to do there."

I don't think it is appropriate to say who the developers are, as we are not at that stage yet, but if you imagine all the major house builders, they are all interested in that site."

At Princes Dock, which MDHC is developing through its joint venture company with property group David McLean, the group said it expects to sign an anchor tenant within the next few weeks.

Serviced office group Regus is known to be looking for space at Princes Dock, having been beaten by Capita for Shannon Court, the building completed last year.

Mr Jones said two third parties have offered to buy property at Princes Dock. One offer was for a completed building, while the other was for an undeveloped plot.

"Princes Dock has not had an impact on our profit and loss account yet because property tends to be slow burn and longer term. This disposal opportunity shows the potential of the site to make a return for shareholders.

"We intend to develop the full site. We will put up another two or three buildings before we dispose of the whole site."

On MDHC's port and shipping operations, the company said fears of a downturn in world trade had not dented activity yet.

Mr Jones said: "There is a deteriorating market backdrop, but we have as yet not seen any impact on trade. But we can't defy gravity and if there is a severe recession we expect some impact from that, but we don't think it will be great."

Turnover for the six months to June was up 23pc at £125.1m, while pre-tax profit was up 6pc at £29.2m.

Cargo volumes in principal trades through Liverpool had been mixed, with container traffic rising slightly to 265,000 units from 259,000 units in the same period last year.

Grain and animal feedstuffs remained unchanged at 1.3m tonnes, while roll-on/roll-off Irish Sea ferry traffic grew by 10pc to 261,000 units. MDHC added its Twelve Quays inriver ferry facility under construction at Birkenhead would be open for business by next March.

Four years is a long, long time ago....

oops. didnt notice that. lol

That's correct, with Malmaison hotel/residential on plot 5 currently starting site prep.


With Plots 2, 3a, 3b, 11a, 11b. empty sites. Plot 3c is some sort of site access, as that side of Princess dock is bounded by a tall, listed wall.



That big horrible brick wall that makes you feel you are walking along the side of a nick is listed?! Why? Its a brick wall! If I owned Princes Dock, it would be the first thing i would get rid of.

You dont see horrible brick walls cutting Fishermans Wharf off from downtown San Francisco. That section of the city is bad enough for pedestrians, what with a dual carriageway running alongside already.

Isn't there a hefty stone dock wall there though? Akin to the one which goes along the dock road northwards? Part of City Lofts has had to blend in a bit of listed wall like that anyway, and they've made a bloody good job of it.

The wall was built by French POW's during the Napoleonic wars. Around 3000 wereburied under St Johns Gardens.

Malmaison today

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7985/malmaison108jw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


The build up of Princes Dock really shows in this pic,
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/9343/malmaison136dl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

A couple of pictures of Princes Dock taken on my walkaround with Doug Roberts and Woody today:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Princes%20Dock/2908052.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Princes%20Dock/2908051.jpg

I honestly don't mind that car park. :) Great pics Martin.

Cheers for the pics Martin, and yes that MSCP looks ok, I have said many times it will blend in when the Malmaison Hotel next door is completed.

Imagine Martin's first pic with West Tower there!

£130m square for city dock Sep 1 2005
By Neil Hodgson, Liverpool Echo

A MULTI-million pound hotel, homes and leisure development could be coming to Liverpool's waterfront.

A five-star hotel, 299 luxury flats, restaurants and bars, shops and a fitness spa are proposed in the £130m New World Square plan.

The scheme for the most sensitive site on the waterfront - plot 7, the final and most prestigious site on Princes Dock near the Pier Head - would surround a new public square with pedestrian islands linked by bridges.

A glazed waterfront dome would house a World Heritage Site information centre. Developers hope to take the canal link with the Pier Head through the reception of the hotel under a glazed canopy.

Plans for New World Square were lodged with city planners today. If approved before the end of this year, it could be ready by Christmas 2007.

Situated in front of Liverpool's new cruise liner terminal, the location was the historical point of embarkation for emigrants to the Americas, which inspired the scheme's name.

The five buildings in the plan symbolise the world's great oceans.

Project architect Javier Hortal said: "We are proposing a series of strong and simple forms that don't try to compete with the magnificent architectural landmarks at the Pier Head."

Raj Basu, chairman of London-based developer Lead Asset Strategies, said they have worked closely with city planners, site owner Mersey Docks and Harbour Company, English Heritage and regeneration agency Liverpool Vision to achieve the right design.

He added: "We have been set a challenge to deliver a development consistent with Liverpool's ambitions. I believe that this is what we have now achieved."

Mersey Docks chief executive Peter Jones said: "New World Square is an exciting architectural landscape which will enhance the heart of the city waterfront and complement all the other elements contributing to the regeneration of the Mersey as a dynamic living environment."

Jim Gill, chief executive of Liverpool Vision, which is helping shape the city's regeneration, said: "This is a key development for Princes Dock and the wider waterfront."

Just heard about that on Merseyside.

Any visuals anywhere?

So all that stuff is being crammed into even less space because of the square?

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/icliverpool/sep2005/0/9/00070A3E-EE48-1316-9D280C02AC1BF824.jpg

^^ They look like a load of giant's luggage. Very strange. Very random.

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/7969/00072007dfc413169d280c02ac1bf8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)




http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/1469/000b8f73dff713169d280c02ac1bf8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)




http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/9018/000b472ee02213169d280c02ac1bf8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I wish those buildings weren't so irregular. It brings back memories of the cloud,

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/7969/00072007dfc413169d280c02ac1bf8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)




http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/1469/000b8f73dff713169d280c02ac1bf8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)




http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/9018/000b472ee02213169d280c02ac1bf8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I think we could live with it........think of the regeneration, the people, the history links.

"New World Square" and they have made it wavey curvey........

Think of the heritage and the inward investment.

Maybe now we will get something even better on the 4th grace site (The Cloud did grow on me though.......I wasn`t a fan initially and the towers became too big on that site IMO.)

`New World Square` however could be the `biz`

At least it is a bit different, just know that the council will balls it all up though

Apart from this new beast does anyone know who the operator is for the car park at the Dock?

Very nice plans, hope this gets built soon.

I wish those buildings weren't so irregular. It brings back memories of the cloud,
These things cant really be compared to the cloud lol.

They're irregular in shape, so are comparable in that respect, though they're in two different leagues.

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/icliverpool/sep2005/0/9/00070A3E-EE48-1316-9D280C02AC1BF824.jpg

I was on this site with Martin and Doug last monday and it was suggested that to fit the proposed development onto this smallish plot 7, they may need to build over the canal, it looks like this grand scheme will do that.

If the developers have been in talks with the city and English Heritage this exciting scheme might just make it off the drawing board.

Fingers crossed !!

Taken yesterday, including a couple of work in progress piccies

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Great update pics there scouserdave, :cheers:

The Malmaison is going to put the Crowne Plaza to shame, i'm sure the Crown Plaza is a nice hotel, but that building in that location draws comparisons to the Halifax dolls house shame.

Nice pics Dave...as per of course...did you notice who runs that car park? And when I say run I don't mean which set of hoodies patrol it with menace, but the management company.

Agree on the Malmaison quote, should be twice the size and bulk of the Crowne Plaza, which is a nice hotel, just wrong building for the area, that along with the car park, City Lofts, Alex and now this new fangled square really should redefine the massing and perceived context of the dock never mind the visual impact.

(Wakey wakey Campers!)

Toad, as far as I know it's still it's run by the Princes Dock Development Company.

A bit harsh with your comments about the security guys. Spent half an hour chatting with some of them recenty about Liverpool. It would put Tom Slemen to shame if you heard their stories about patrolling properties at night :cheers:

Ta DAve, I'll pop down later, been looking for a couple of contract spaces but can't find any details for that place anywhere.

Security guards have some great tales but buildings, even ones you're familiar with take on another personality when everyone goes home and the lights go out...

Dave, spot on about the staff down at the car park, absolutely spot on, really enthusiastic and friendly. I reckon I could be contracting a couple of parking spaces.

Malmaison really is happening! Funny when you see it all close up and tehre's a real feel of change down there, I think it'll be a great development overall when they sort the two plots facing each other (Waterloo Dock end), hopefully to the scale and quality of City Lofts and Alexandra.

Contracting TWO parking spaces Toad? It'd probably be cheaper to get taxis everywhere/invest in a helicopter...

Not for me you ted, for my minnions.

If you've got a couple of MINI One's, wouldn't they fit into one parking space? ;)

Not your best effort Bunny.

Get your arse down to Princes Dock with G man, start snapping again. If you've got enough in your piggy bank the Crowne Plaza bar gives you a great place to sit off and take in the dock.

Nice one Toad. Didn't realise the bar there was open to the public. :)

I'll be in town on Monday as my waster of a brother is enrolling at Liverpool Community College. I'll get some pics then. Might even get some Southport pics soon as well, seeing as I'm back up there for work. Must subconciously like the place or something...

I thought Southport pics were MY responsibility :cry:

Just goes to show how things have improved and with it how expectations are raised.

It wasn't that long ago that the Crowne Plaza was a key breakthrough (along with the Swallow - now the Marriott) in bringing a decent hotel to the City.

Now we are saying that it looks like a dolls house compared to the new developments being built.

Never stayed there but it seems to get good reviews

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g186337-d189329-Reviews-Crowne_Plaza_Liverpool-Liverpool_Greater_Liverpool_England.html

:)

was wondering if any one knew anything about the arrowed part of the picture development wise which is quite a large area?

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid185/p716dbeae45fc9a0ba1eb8046837925e4/f26b7951.jpg

Dunno ... nice arrow, though.

I am well confused at that pic. Unity office core looks taller than RSA plus when Unity office still had the Dokat thingy on City Lofts wasnt that structurely advanced

The arrowed piece is still to be developed, I've not seen or heard anything, it's a pretty large stretch though it's long and thin so it could take 2 or even 3 developments.

The arrowed piece is still to be developed, I've not seen or heard anything, it's a pretty large stretch though it's long and thin so it could take 2 or even 3 developments.
thanks toadboy id love to see another tower of course you never know in this area what they might build fingers crossed for another tower.

I thought it was a render of a new Will Alsop proposal :runaway:

In the MDHC masterplan, the arrowed area was in line for a seven storey office development. However, so much has changed since then that it's now anyone's guess.

Can't build a tower though, the residents of Alexandra Tower will object to it.

There's an article in business news that says Peel holdings priority is to complete the development of Princes Dock by building on last remaing 3 plots and then there attention will be to develop Central Docks.The docks already has outline planning permission for a £200 Million development of flats a marina and workshops and I'm sure this place will be a hive of activity in the coming years,I'm really excited by the peel Holdings takeover. :cheers:

Peel Plans Changes For The Waterfront. (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/business/news/tm_objectid=16183183%26method=full%26siteid=50061%26headline=peel%2dplans%2dchanges%2dfor%2dthe%2dwaterfront-name_page.html)

Does anyone have any pics of central docks if so id love to see them.

"The waterfront of the Mersey is exceptional. Its potential is extraordinary.

"When we bought the Manchester Ship Canal it was thought of as a dangerous place to visit because it was so extremely neglected.

"We thought it was capable of transformation by capitalising on its water features. Salford Quays is one of the finest schemes anywhere in Europe.
When we first said we were going to do this, people were incredulous, but today it is a masterpiece. It's of the highest quality.

"It's the same with Liverpool. "Because you are starting from a situation that requires total transformation, it is in some ways easier than something that is in part use already. We can start again with a clean piece of paper."

"Liverpool Airport is a classic example of Peel's investment strategy. Since acquiring it eight years ago, Peel has invested £80m in extending the terminal buildings and modernising facilities. Innovative deals on landing fees have secured the custom of no-frills airlines like Easyjet and Ryanair."

I do hope `Peel` keep as much of the water regime as possible and not too much water space is reclaimed within the `Central Dock System`......

We are after all a `World Heritage Site` because of the `Maritime Trade and thus a Mercantile City.`

Brighton. Blackpool ...even Rhyl reached out to maximise the waterfront. I reckon that, while (I think) good/great things are happening in Liverpool, the plonkers that do/don't/might/ooer/no/well,yes for the time being/er, come back to me in a couple of months ABSOLUTELY need firm leadership. Pier Head? Old hat. Berths ON THE MERSEY for smaller cruisers, small and larger sailing ships etc???? ....We, as a tourist destination expect visiting ships and boats to berth inside the docks (or, bigger ones on the new cruise liner facility). Look around the world. The BEST waterfronts welcome large/medium/small crafts right in front of the strongest City attraction - the waterfront, deliberately so, of course. Come on, lets push for the 2008 + Pier Head to herald a 90 degree pontoon/landing stage that is so much easier for these posh yachts etc to berth.

How GREAT would that look????

noticed that City lofts have got a planning applivation in for site 3?? on princes half tide dock for a nine storey apartment block with elevator parking scheme attatched!

A sadly murky Malmaison view from this evening -

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4249/cluster0jl.jpg

It almost looks like we have a proper city skyline there! ;)

Just think, Beetham 2 won't even fit on that photo when it's built.

I walked past the Malmaison site the other day. It seems that the ground floor structure is mostly complete, and columns for the next floor alredy being put in place. I'm not sure of the relative complexities of the two builds, but both the new BBC HQ on Hanover Street and this seem to be being constructed in a similar fashion (concrete columns and slabs), but this build seems to be racing away whereas the BBC HQ seems to have taken forever.

Just trawling the web this morning and noticed a commercial estate agents advertising a 1,000,000 sq.ft. development on Princes dock, residential-office-leisure, is this New World Square or something different. The report was early october this year. :cheers:

Just trawling the web this morning and noticed a commercial estate agents advertising a 1,000,000 sq.ft. development on Princes dock, residential-office-leisure, is this New World Square or something different. The report was early october this year. :cheers:

It can only be New World Square, apart from City Lofts new PA for the Half Tide Dock there are no new proposals for the remaining 2 plots.

Malmaison, 16/10/05, cracking progress on this site.

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/9099/malmaison140va.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


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Great pics doug. Im hoping the malmaisson will do its best to block out a big chunk of the RSA building. Also Unity looks very chunky from a side view. Especially in the first pic where you can see the two blocks.

Great pics again doug!

LOSRE! LOSER! LOSER! ALL OF YOU!!!

Thanks Ste, I reckon Malmaison will be about the same height as the Atlantic Tower hotel.

Looking forward to Malmaison coming here. Hopefully it will raise the bar in hotel standards in Liverpool. They could be a lot better.

Totally agree with the blocking out of the RSA building. It is a cacker.

The progress on this project compared to alex tower is amazing.

Thanks for the great pics Doug.
Can't believe how quickly the development is progressing. I thought City Lofts was fast, but this takes some beating :) :cheers:

Whats crazy monster on? Gota be foreign otherwise he would of said 'Losers' which would make more sense and be grmatically correct as ending with 'all of you' makes it a plural. Anyway wotev your on i'll av sum!

Looking forward to Malmaison coming here. Hopefully it will raise the bar in hotel standards in Liverpool. They could be a lot better.

Totally agree with the blocking out of the RSA building. It is a cacker.

You leave the `Sandcastle` alone it should be protected!

It`s like a giant pumpkin sitting resplendid when illuminated!

:) :cheers:

NO WAY ITS A NATIONAL DISASTER FROM A TIME THAT I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD RATHER FORGET IN THIS CITY IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT

Cheers for the pics Doug, have just got back from London and its amazing how quick this site has changed :eek2: and I have ony been away 2 days :)

NO WAY ITS A NATIONAL DISASTER FROM A TIME THAT I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD RATHER FORGET IN THIS CITY IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT

HOW RUDE!

Actually it`s been used on various HRH `Royal` occasions for some where to go.

Whilst size may not be every thing it`s one big son of a bitch.

Malmaison 6/11/05, great progress here.

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Unity looks so dominating there. how many floors is the malmaison going to be

Eleven I think?? they amended the original scheme upwards to allow some flats on the top floors, I think it will be higher than the MSCP next door.

Malmaison, yesterday a.m.

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What a pic! That's ace Dave.

Cheers Damon. I was going to enter it in the Urban photie comp, but they're so conservative and are not too keen on a bit of variety :)

Great pics Dave. That one Damon mentioned is a corker. How did you get those aerial pics? Clearly they're from the MSCP, but last time I was down there I was given dirty looks from a security guard for having the audacity to walk past the car park, never mind enter it.

Great pics Dave especially the second one looking south, thanks.

A mate of mine parks there Chris and I've gotten to know the security lads ever since they first started to look after City Lofts. Some of them look a bit fearsome, but they're smashing characters. One of them claims to have ESP, another loves recounting ghost stories and I was chatting to one lad yesterday, whose brother is a caricaturist and used to have a stall down at the Albert Dock before the rent became too expensive. He now gets commisions from the Orient Express to do caricatures of the passengers. He also done some drawings of buildings around Liverpool.

In fact you've just reminded me to google the guy. His name is George Brooks, so if any of you can find info on him, please let me know. I've asked the security lad to get him to contact me for a chat.

Found him (http://www.funnipics.com/) :cheers:

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An attempt at a panorama this morning. I reckon city lofts is leaning slightly, there's no way its down to me getting my angles wrong.

Anyway, have we add any clues as to what may go between CL and the carpark? With west tower going up I can't see there being anything too big, but a couple of 10-15 storey towers would be nice. Then there'd be a gradual step down to the car park and some ankle biters for the two beethams.

Definately be a good place to take a pic from in 2-3 years time, with Unity starting to creep up over the car park now aswell.

No activity on A.T this morning by the way.

That's fantastic, post it in the skylines section! :)

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Bunny great pics here and the PSDA thread thanks, Malmaison is really coming on.

those pics are great!

When is malmaion due for completion coz its goin up nice n fast

When is malmaion due for completion coz its goin up nice n fast

I would think we are talking 18 months for the completion, so early 2007

gud gud ta mate

It just goes to show how things have changed in the last couple of years, demand wise. The Princes Dock car park is taller than all the offices round there!

You are so in tune with the moment; it seems that European Champion Kopites are the HAPPIEST gobshites around!! Don't you just LOVE THE FEELING?? Then there is the amazing amount of physical environment rebuild stuff that's goin' on all over the City to keep on recharging our batteries ...But, wherever it happens, buildings/construction is why we're here, right?

City loft`s second apartment block set to be approved by Planning Committee at next weeks meeting. To be built in Princes Half Tide Dock, 121 apartments in a 9 mike tower with a car stacking system + surface parking.

9 mikes? tsssss, where bout is tide dock

9 mikes? tsssss, where bout is tide dock

If you read planning Managers report, this development appears to have been reduced in Height, but it will be a long "slab block" construction built almost on the edge of the dock. So this will be a large building, to mimic the adjacent and listed Waterloo block. Location is just north of the new City Lofts towers, facing Aexandra Tower.

Planning Manager says that the development will compliment the taller buildings ( Beetham tower) set back in the CBD.

May not be a tower Westi, but it will make an impact and plug a "low level hole" in the city landscape, when viewed from the river.

Note: City Lofts 10 +20 mike towers = 162 apartments
City Lofts 9 mike = 121 apartments

Sounds good, shouldn't be too dissapointed it's not taller as it adds to the diversity of heights, plus allows potential for taller buildings behind, giving a layered effect, which will be better than a row of talls on the waters edge, blocking view of all behind.

Sounds good, shouldn't be too dissapointed it's not taller as it adds to the diversity of heights, plus allows potential for taller buildings behind, giving a layered effect, which will be better than a row of talls on the waters edge, blocking view of all behind.

Spot on, the city planners are resisting rows of towers along the waterfront so they are not forming a barrier, between the river and the city. The layer`d effect can now be seen in Princes Dock, 5 mikes (on river) 10 mikes between dock and King Eddy St. then up to 40 mikes behind in the CBD.

In the future will we end up with old abbandoned towers ctullering up our waterfront.
Like giant wastepaper baskets in Ikea

Spot on, the city planners are resisting rows of towers along the waterfront so they are not forming a barrier, between the river and the city. The layer`d effect can now be seen in Princes Dock, 5 mikes (on river) 10 mikes between dock and King Eddy St. then up to 40 mikes behind in the CBD.

I have to agree with this policy. One of the redeeming features about those 5 storey MDHC Offices are the way they provide a base for the skyline that leads into a stepped effect. Makes the cityscape seem fuller. However- I think these could be redeveloped upto 10 storeys though (or at least as high as the new car park) as the land lies much lower at the waters edge, and the same effect would still be maintained.

I've always been saying i'd like to see some towers further back from the river to give the skyline some depth! :)

I've always been saying i'd like to see some towers further back from the river to give the skyline some depth! :)

Nice one mate :cheers:

If you read planning Managers report, this development appears to have been reduced in Height, but it will be a long "slab block" construction built almost on the edge of the dock. So this will be a large building, to mimic the adjacent and listed Waterloo block. Location is just north of the new City Lofts towers, facing Aexandra Tower.

Planning Manager says that the development will compliment the taller buildings ( Beetham tower) set back in the CBD.

May not be a tower Westi, but it will make an impact and plug a "low level hole" in the city landscape, when viewed from the river.

Note: City Lofts 10 +20 mike towers = 162 apartments
City Lofts 9 mike = 121 apartments


Is it still correct to use the term mike given that our dear leader has departed or will it remain a legacy to his tenure?

Will it be like using the term 'Hatton' per square acre of wasteland? :?

Or

It's been Henshawed = It's been rejected

:)

Mikes=the past. My oh myke. When will the politicians learn? Tell me, how many local senior Civil Servants do you know that have resigned?? It's an embarressingly simple, SIMPLE fact of the shameful political 'game' that takes place every day, and affects us all (it's er, well, er, sort of an extended) politics (except that in our democracy we ALL lose in a big way). Without being an elected represented I have been priveledged (??????) to see it, be involved in it and, sadly it was absolutely SHITE for me to be caught up in it all in terms of self esteem for anyone who's interested. Cockroaches always spring to the forefront of my mind when I recall... What about our thoughts for the future? Lets call 'em 35 (or whatever) ...YIKES!!! Now THAT really does have a forward, optimistic connotation that, as an investor in the AX tower I would encourage and appreciate. 'YIKES! Was it really US? Did we encourage and participate in those WONDERFUL THINGS that happened around the turn of the Century?' What a wonderful legacy to pass on to future inhabitants of Liverpool and its environs...

Ooops. Should've read ' Without being an elected representative I have been priveledged....' Sorry. I am humbled and anticipate retribution. My head is on the block ...and awaits your guillotine, you bastard(s?) :runaway: :eek2: :ohno: :banana: :banana: :banana:

..and 'Henshawed' sounds GREAT. This word seems to bring to mind pirates, hanging and ..surprise! Really in keeping with the maritime history of the City. Yep, Mike was well and truly hung, drawn and ...prior to it all, "Henshawed". congrats, Juxtapol! Best suggestion this side of me finding skyscrapercity.com!!

Or a bit like the Tango advert with the big orange bald guy in a nappy, Twa@@ing the fella on the chops with his hands.

Mike Storey.....!you've...been Henshawed.....Yeahhh..

hahahaha. Or like that show were they did that big long prank with Noel edmund THE GOTTCHA,

Details of 9 mike's City Lofts, due for approval Tuesday

City Loft's planning application (http://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/Published/C00000307/M00004712/AI00022280/$Item123PrincesHalfTideDock.doc.pdf)

Map of site (http://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/Published/C00000307/M00004712/AI00022281/princeshalftidedockL3.pdf)

Will we see a render soon...!

'Kin ell. I have just read my previous postings. Sorry, but I was just a bit the other side of alcoholic volume the other night... But, right now, yeah, hic, it's Saturday night so,hic, er, well, hic. Goodnight. Zzzzzzzzz. WAIT!!!! I have just woke up. City Lofts? LOFTS?? From what I have seen, the most recent development proposals are more in keeping with MAKING MONEY than MAKING BIG MONEY by putting forward a set of plans that seem to encourage a negative response from (a Henshawed) LCC. I know, you know ... and more importantly, the developers know how important the need for 'quick fixes' are for Liverpool City Council Planning Department. Watch this space. Mikes has gone. YIKES!!!!!!!

'Kin ell. I have just read my previous postings. Sorry, but I was just a bit the other side of alcoholic volume the other night... But, right now, yeah, hic, it's Saturday night so,hic, er, well, hic. Goodnight. Zzzzzzzzz. WAIT!!!! I have just woke up. City Lofts? LOFTS?? From what I have seen, the most recent development proposals are more in keeping with MAKING MONEY than MAKING BIG MONEY by putting forward a set of plans that seem to encourage a negative response from (a Henshawed) LCC. I know, you know ... and more importantly, the developers know how important the need for 'quick fixes' are for Liverpool City Council Planning Department. Watch this space. Mikes has gone. YIKES!!!!!!!

Did you used to write Rupert the Bear stories Pete?

I'm confused.

...so am I... AND I WROTE IT!! Sheeesh, I think I need a shrink.

I sort of think I might have worked it out.

Hee, hee. I still ain't got to the bottom of it :nuts:

The new city lofts development looks very long from what i've seen. Although its not high it should give as much density as The Reach does. I think this is a great development showing how density doesn't necesarilly have to be tall. Hopefull the design of the building will be more modern than the reach though. Reach is a bit 'student accomodation' in my opinion.

Today...

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Cheers for all the pics Billy.

Citylofts looks like a modern-day Bauhaus design. And that's a good thing :cheers:

Malmaison Hotel

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This one is dedicated to Woody, his favourite car park.

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Nice work Red.

Ronnie Rumour says the Minge Bridge is getting slung out when the barges start travelling through the dock.