مدينة عيسى - وزارة التربية والتعليم -
يقام حفل افتتاح المبنى الجديد للمعهد الديني الجعفري الأسبوع المقبل برعاية رئيس الوزراء صاحب السمو الشيخ خليفة بن سلمان آل خليفة.



وبهذه المناسبة أكد وزير التربية والتعليم ماجد النعيمي أن افتتاح المبنى الجديد للمعهد الديني الجعفري يأتي تنفيذا للبرنامج الإنشائي للوزارة والذي يهدف إلى تقديم أفضل الخدمات التعليمية للطلبة في كل المراحل التعليمية.

What does Ja3fari mean? Is it some sectarian division!?

What does Ja3fari mean? Is it some sectarian division!?

Ja3fari means its for shias not sonnas its a plase for studying religion.

What does Ja3fari mean? Is it some sectarian division!?

lol.... r u sure that ur bahraini?

I dont want to start a fight or an argument here.

I have a question, I think shia in bahrian are majority right and I think also that the majority are perisna origins. My question due the conflict we've all seen about the name arabian or persian gulf. I rememeber a shia student in Dubai who said that his heart is all in Iran. I always read about the shia bahrani loyality and many acuse them for having it to Iran. I've seen many bahriani also while protesting holding al khomaini pictures and so. In the UAE for example a persian consider themselves as arabs and integrated themselves well. How about u guys?

Yeah =P I'm just not very religious...Funny thing though cuz my family very much is..

Well i may be wrong, but i don't think shiites in Bahrain are of Persian descent...I'm sure there r quite a few who r, but i think there are just as many and more who r not...Bahraini natives...Me, however, i have Saudi roots from my arab side that is...From the eastern side of Saudi....There r certain areas there like il 7assa and, emm... i forgot the others...These areas are very much shiite, as i'm sure u know....

So no speacial deep 'in my heart' loyalty for Iran...just to clear things up...Not even Saudi...!

I'm sure that shias in bahrain are natives not from Iran, there are many in Saudi ( hassa, khateef, dammam, madina, mekka, and many other places), they were banded from building there mosques, or inter any books refering to shias religion in saudi, because shias were considered as a threat to gulf countries governments they were isolated few years ago, they didn't take roles in any political issues or places, this is because of the influence of USA and Israel where they try to give the impression that shias are terrorists.

We all sow how Iran stopped saddam hussain from invading the gulf for many years, where all the gulf countries supported saddam, even though they know that he uses chemical weapons against iran and Iraqies, we also sow what happened after Iran gave up hope to remove saddam when he invaded Kwait, no body in the gulf had the guts to say they were wrong, or to say sorry to Iran, they are very proud of themselves, anyway the day has come where Iraqi shias are the magority now and they have the biggest roles i Iraq government, The shias there are very good in forgiving other people, even when other people are commiting suiside boming against them daily they are still willing to forgive them.

We also saw how Hizbullah in Lebanon are protecting Syria and Lebanon and how the Jews are suffering there.

These are some facts about shias, now with the democracy I think the situation will be better for shias, they don't want politics, they want to pray to god in peace, afterall thats why we were created.

Well said zx. Allah y barek feek inshAllah:)

they were banded from building there mosques, or inter any books refering to shias religion in saudi, .

Shias Religion????

Dude, they are muslims just like sunnies.

We all sow how Iran stopped saddam hussain from invading the gulf for many years, where all the gulf countries supported saddam, even though they know that he uses chemical weapons against iran and Iraqies, we also sow what happened after Iran gave up hope to remove saddam when he invaded Kwait, no body in the gulf had the guts to say they were wrong, or to say sorry to Iran, they are very proud of themselves, anyway the day has come where Iraqi shias are the magority now and they have the biggest roles i Iraq government, The shias there are very good in forgiving other people, even when other people are commiting suiside boming against them daily they are still willing to forgive them.

Acctually, I didnt see how Iran stopped Saddam from invading the Gulf. The reason Gulf countries supported Saddam was because Iran was considered a threat to the stability in the Gulf. Iraq was a mean to keep Iran in check, sort of balance in power.

I dont see why people in the Gulf dont have the guts to say sorry, sorry for what ?? I dont see Iran saying sorry to the millions of Arabs living in the western coast of Iran, people who iran has been suprising for decades.

I have no beef with Shia or have anything against them. Just sometimes I dont understand their logic or arguement when they present me with a topic or a case, just with other groups of ppl, including fundamental sunnis. But you point out shiaa are very good at forgiving, if im not mistaken, each year shiaa go out in hundreds to mourn the death of Ali, rathya allah 3anah, and during that they scream revenage and tha'a2er !! revange and tah'a2er against who.. if they were so forgiving why hold something against someone for over 1400 years !!

Last but not least, I know a lot of Shiaa in bahrain, some of my good friends are shia, and never did we have a problem because they happen to be shiaa and am not. However, and many of my shia friends agree, the shiaa in bahrain are really going to far. I still cant comprehend how a group of ppl would protest holding up signs of hizaballah, khamoini, and iran flag. They are clearly, by their action, giving the middlefinger to bahrain and saying we are devoted to iran. then they protest the lack of jobs and housing and what not and expect the govt to aid them. If your so in love with iran why dont they move there ?!?!?!

I met sunnis in iran and shia from bahrain, at the same time, and all of them agreed, that Shiaa in bahrain, and in fact in saudi, have it much much more better than any sunni in iran.

P.S. it would be nice to keep this a reasonable debate rather then going back and forth which each person trying to accuse or offend the other.

Acctually, I didnt see how Iran stopped Saddam from invading the Gulf. The reason Gulf countries supported Saddam was because Iran was considered a threat to the stability in the Gulf. Iraq was a mean to keep Iran in check, sort of balance in power.

I dont see why people in the Gulf dont have the guts to say sorry, sorry for what ?? I dont see Iran saying sorry to the millions of Arabs living in the western coast of Iran, people who iran has been suprising for decades.

I have no beef with Shia or have anything against them. Just sometimes I dont understand their logic or arguement when they present me with a topic or a case, just with other groups of ppl, including fundamental sunnis. But you point out shiaa are very good at forgiving, if im not mistaken, each year shiaa go out in hundreds to mourn the death of Ali, rathya allah 3anah, and during that they scream revenage and tha'a2er !! revange and tah'a2er against who.. if they were so forgiving why hold something against someone for over 1400 years !!

Last but not least, I know a lot of Shiaa in bahrain, some of my good friends are shia, and never did we have a problem because they happen to be shiaa and am not. However, and many of my shia friends agree, the shiaa in bahrain are really going to far. I still cant comprehend how a group of ppl would protest holding up signs of hizaballah, khamoini, and iran flag. They are clearly, by their action, giving the middlefinger to bahrain and saying we are devoted to iran. then they protest the lack of jobs and housing and what not and expect the govt to aid them. If your so in love with iran why dont they move there ?!?!?!

I met sunnis in iran and shia from bahrain, at the same time, and all of them agreed, that Shiaa in bahrain, and in fact in saudi, have it much much more better than any sunni in iran.

P.S. it would be nice to keep this a reasonable debate rather then going back and forth which each person trying to accuse or offend the other.

Sadly this is true, anyhow, not all Shaits protest and rise foreign leaders pics in streats, there are many of them Doctors, Engineers, Captains...etc and the unemployed story is due to over-reproduction !! we need a rationing schem to scale down the problem, anny suggestions Qatar4ever?

the unemployed story is due to over-reproduction !! we need a rationing schem to scale down the problem, anny suggestions Qatar4ever?


Scale down the reproduction??????????????!!!!!!!!!! come on.

Scale down the reproduction??????????????!!!!!!!!!! come on.

I agree not a very realistic suggestion. Unless there is a major change in culture and society soon. Although i think those families having like 15 or so children should somehow be discouraged.. However in the long term I see this problem of high birth rates somehow depreciating as more and more people these days preffer to have smaller families.

Moody, I agree with you. Some of the smartest ppl Ive meet in the region, if not the smartest, are shiaas from Bahrain. They are very hard working and many of them have achieved the highest positions in their field. This isn't a suprise !
The problem is not with them but the unempolyment driven by families that have over ten childrens and a net income of no more than 500 BD. I was suprised to find out some families have over 15 or more children. How can you expect the govt to support this many people.
I think ppl need to realize the problem is bahrain has very limitied resources and must make the best of everything. The govt is trying its best to create jobs, jobs means stability for the govt so there is no reason to believe the govt doenst want to create jobs. But how can you provide decent work and other essentail services to an exploding population ?!?

You really think we're an exploding population!?

I didn't really think our population growth rate was that much...I mean its the lowest in the gulf...the gulf seems to be reproducing like crazy or something!

Your right Patriot, maybe the word "exploding" was a bit extreme, take that back :)

Nevertheless you have to agree Bahrain's population is growing at a fast rate and with the current population size, Bahrain, given its limited resources, finds it very diffcult to secure a stable lifestyle for each and every Bahraini.

Ill be honest, the only way out of this loop of unemployement and low wage work is to start some form of a taxation system. Bahrain has a whole lot of millionares who make as much money as any other Gulf businessman if not more. These guys and many others who make good enough money should start getting taxed. About 5% on net income which would go to housing and infrasturcture projects in the poorer areas of bahrain. Plus this money could go into creating new industries that will provide jobs for bahrainis.

Another solution allow bahraini ppl to work in the UAE and Qatar public sectors.

Patriot you need to read more about the population in the gulf and you will find out that Bahrain is the largest density in the whole region, check out this site and you will be surprised about the numbers http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/bahrain
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Qatar
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/UAE
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/saudi
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/kuwait
Bahrain is the largest by 7 times then any other country

I discourage limiting number of children. If people want to have 15, let them have 15.

If there's no room in Bahrain to accomodate the Bahrainis, maybe they should consider not hiring as many foreigners.

And I agree with taxing the rich businessmen in Bahrain.. not to sound judgmental (which I usually am anyway), but the rich in Bahrain have a notorious reputation of being quite stingy in these matters (don't jump on me now), but it's what is being said elsewhere. I know there are some good philanthropists, but in general terms, it's not so good.

What we need is for more land to be made available...I mean look at Singapore, same size, and a population of approximately 4 million...!! We just need more of our land to be made available...And yes, limit the no. of expats and foreigners...The free visa situation in Bahrain is out of control...They need to work harder to tackle these things...Thats it...And continue promoting Bahrainis in the labour market of course...make them more competitive...

I discourage limiting number of children. If people want to have 15, let them have 15.

and your reasons?

and your reasons?

http://www.equran.org/qrn/model/img/ora_s/RBAWSBD4NGWU-BGW.gif

I disagree with you blackforest and with you quoting the quran out of context. Not to get into a religious discussion many ppl quote the quran when its convinent for them to prove a point. many times its taken out of context.

I have a very interesting article at home by shk. 3ayth al qarni. The article pretty much sums it up by saying its best to have to kids, one aspires to reach the moon and the other to mars then to have a whole tribe worth of kids that are good for nothing other than eating sunflower seeds, playing cards and dancing the 3artha dance. The point is better to have one son that will be of greater use to the islam world then ten kids who are a burden to the islam world.

How will stopping foriegners help the empolyment situation in bahrain. Bahrains have to be employed in more decent better paying jobs not as drivers and shop clerks. Nothing wrong with that, its just as noble as any other decent work, but many ppl are underemployed in such low paying jobs. Cutting the number of philipino maids and indain drivers wont really make a difference to unemployement.

Bahrain needs to create better quaility jobs that provide careers for its ppl, not just any low paying job !

I dont know if you guys are aware but there is a policy called Bahrainisation that was introduced in recent years. Im not too sure exactly when, but it is happeneing and I have known a few foreigners who have lost thier jobs because of this. I can see its advantages but I do not fully agree with it. I think more steps sshould be taken to improve education inorder to uplift the competiveness of locally educated Bahrainis against foreigners.

Bahrain needs to create better quaility jobs that provide careers for its ppl, not just any low paying job !

Yea I agree. Unlike other GCC states you see locals working in petrol stations and fast food restaurants. I dont think you could see this in places like Qatar or UAE.

Yeah, i haven't been around much in other GCC country for a while, but i thiink thats very true...Like some of my labanese frends here who used to live in Abu Dhabi and Dubai say u'd never find emaratis working at fast food places...Bahrainis just need to improve their work ethics, take more pride in their jobs whatever they may be, cuz right now foreigners are more attractive in that sense...

i totally agree with both of you guys Qatar4ever and Skyline-BRN

Blackforest the a'ayeh is not realted to the subject at all, and if you think about it having lots of children means parents needs more effort to put to raise them, think about it.

Actually what blackforest posted is related. The Ayyah was because some were afraid of being poor if they have more children. We muslims believe that Al Risg ( الرزق ) is given by God therfor whatever number u have of children. God is responsible for them. Same apply to التوكل على الله.

People u should read the tafseer to know what does the ayya exactly mean.

And there is a prophet hadith saying in Arabic (I dont remember it exactly)
تزوجوا الولود اللدود فإني مكثر بكم بين الأمم


I know what u mean Qatar4ever because i head 3ayed al qarny saying it also. He didnt say that its not ok to have more children or its not favored.

smussuw, I read the translation and it refers to Al Jaheleyah period when they used to kill thier childrens because they afraid of not getting enough money to raise them.
it doesn't apply on the subject we are not talking about killing childrens we are talking about not having lots of childrens

I'd rather have four childrens that I can afford to put into the best private schools and send them off to the best universities so they can become engineers, doctors, lawyers or even archiectcuts ;) Rather then to have 11 children running around the house and having to go to sleep each night wondering how i will be able to afford putting decent food and clothes on their backs.

The aya means what elmahri had said. It doesnt mean i should have a baby each year and end up with a total of twenty kids and sit there hope razgi yaji min allah. Fate doenst work in that way !

I believe family planning is important. People in qatar and uae shouldnt worry about it because we live in a very socialist govt with benefits to every citizen to the extent parents dont have to worry much abotu the number of kids they have. However places like bahrain need to worry because there are more mouth to feed from that one piece of pie.

Look at the poorest nations in the world and thier birth rates and look at the richest and their birth rate. Dont tell me their is no corrolation between them.

As 3ayd il qarni, ur right he didnt, and neither did i say that. He said its best to have two kids who become scientest rather than to half dozens who are useless.

Well prevention is necessary in some cases where people don't have anything at all. Like the son of the Sudanese imam of my local mosque is unemployed and he got married, his wife gave birth to a child nine months later, and then they asked us to pay the 2500 dirham fee of the hospital so they can get out. I mean these people knew they had no money, they knew they were expecting a child for nine months, and still, they didn't do anything to try to get money or prevent it at least. They can't pay the fees for the hospital to get the baby out, so how can they afford diapers or milk bottles or putting the child through school? An unemployed man shouldn't marry in the first place if he has no support.

But I'm not too sure about the situation in Bahrain. Is healthcare free for nationals? Schools? Universities? If those services are free or reasonably priced, I think many people can manage to pull through just fine even if they're poor. I knew a below average family of 9 kids - 8 of them are doctors now and 1 is a science teacher. It depends on how they're raised more than how many they are. Having only one child doesn't necessarily mean he will turn out to be better and more productive. In fact, two only childs that I know spent 3 or 4 years abroad in college and ended up being kicked out for bad grades because they were too spoiled or lazy and didn't know how to study themselves. Their parents were used to teaching them at home whenever they had exams.

You're right, the problem in Bahrain is that they should create more jobs, but they should also look at job market requirements. There's no use in someone studying something and then ends up jobless because they've already got enough people in that field. The Bahrain-Qatar causeway should alleviate many of these problems by offering Bahrainis an opportunity to work in Qatar.. if they'll hire them. Some interesting comments on this page: http://www.rabirk.net/bahrainmain.html

I would be interested in reading statistics for Bahrainis working abroad, as I know many who work abroad, and some who have settled in the UAE recently.

I'd rather have four childrens that I can afford to put into the best private schools and send them off to the best universities so they can become engineers, doctors, lawyers or even archiectcuts ;) Rather then to have 11 children running around the house and having to go to sleep each night wondering how i will be able to afford putting decent food and clothes on their backs.

The aya means what elmahri had said. It doesnt mean i should have a baby each year and end up with a total of twenty kids and sit there hope razgi yaji min allah. Fate doenst work in that way !

I believe family planning is important. People in qatar and uae shouldnt worry about it because we live in a very socialist govt with benefits to every citizen to the extent parents dont have to worry much abotu the number of kids they have. However places like bahrain need to worry because there are more mouth to feed from that one piece of pie.

Look at the poorest nations in the world and thier birth rates and look at the richest and their birth rate. Dont tell me their is no corrolation between them.

As 3ayd il qarni, ur right he didnt, and neither did i say that. He said its best to have two kids who become scientest rather than to half dozens who are useless.

That's right Qatar4Ever and people should think in this way...

Anyway, I also don't think education means everything for a person. I know people who are professors with 30 years experience who have studied and worked in the best institutions in Europe and write for the best journals, and they've made a lot of money, but their kids are an absolute disaster and were kicked out of several private schools and only know how to say bad words. And they themselves are not respectable because they drink alcohol and don't care about visiting extended family or whatever. They're very Westernized.

Another thing is that in a lot of countries, people are focusing on education and a degree as the means to success, but they forget that the country needs other services such as manual work and craftsmanship. We needs people who are talented in carpentry, tailoring, and who would do hands-on jobs which everyone looks down upon. Sure, we can get them from abroad, but still that doesn't mean no one should do them. The whole world is actually lacking in such jobs, and it's also a reason why nurses are so hard to come by. No one wants to do the dirty work.

I don't know why you stress the importance or advantage of private schools. My parents sent me to a private school for a while thinking it would do me good, but it was a total waste, because I found the public to be far superior. In a lot of the private schools these days although some might have good curricula, they also have a lot of bad stuff such as organizing proms and speaking in English all the time, or lacking in Islamic studies. A cousin of mine who went to Choueifat once told me as I was playing basketball in the yard why I don't wear gym shorts instead of pants. He said all the girls at his school wear shorts, explaining that the weather is hot. I threw the ball on his head.

I don't trust private schools these days.

blackforest, to prove your point, you always go in and look for extreme rare examples. Yes, not all well educated people end up with well educated kids. But the chances are if your father is a docter and you mom is a docter you'll end up pretty smart and not a drug addict. Offcourse that not always the case, but it is most of times. For you, you always bring examples this one person who doesnt fit the description. for everyone deviant example there are nine other that fit other examples. You can't build a case on such extreme examples.

As for the manual work. come on man ! Let's be serious here for a second. Will you ever really see an emiritie as a carpenter or tailer ?? Don't tell me you know this one emiritie who is, coz the general idea is for emirities not to occupy these jobs as with most ppl in the gulf. The reality is, and no matter how noble these jobs are, no one will really except these proffesion as "real" jobs for gulf locals. Money is best spent teaching a person some english and computer skills then how to tailer. Besides its not economical, no matter how cheap a local tailer is there will always be a bangli charing half price.

You build your case against private schools coz girls wear shorts while playing basketball. madry shagoolik ya5ee !!

yeah,, lets become rabits and have 15 ohh and maybe 30 if okay.. hehe

blackforest, to prove your point, you always go in and look for extreme rare examples. Yes, not all well educated people end up with well educated kids. But the chances are if your father is a docter and you mom is a docter you'll end up pretty smart and not a drug addict. Offcourse that not always the case, but it is most of times. For you, you always bring examples this one person who doesnt fit the description. for everyone deviant example there are nine other that fit other examples. You can't build a case on such extreme examples.

As for the manual work. come on man ! Let's be serious here for a second. Will you ever really see an emiritie as a carpenter or tailer ?? Don't tell me you know this one emiritie who is, coz the general idea is for emirities not to occupy these jobs as with most ppl in the gulf. The reality is, and no matter how noble these jobs are, no one will really except these proffesion as "real" jobs for gulf locals. Money is best spent teaching a person some english and computer skills then how to tailer. Besides its not economical, no matter how cheap a local tailer is there will always be a bangli charing half price.

You build your case against private schools coz girls wear shorts while playing basketball. madry shagoolik ya5ee !!


OK, so I give extreme examples, but that's because that's a big generalization which you make. I mean you say 11 kids are "nobodies" and the 2 kids are "somebodies". I'm ignorant of what goes on in Bahrain in terms of education and healthcare, so I asked whether they do have free public education or healthcare.. but apparently, they don't, since you said that UAE and Qatar are "almost socialist" but Bahrain doesn't provide for its citizens. I think it's far from true in many cases, not just in some cases, that more than two siblings end up as nothing because of poverty.

The problems faced in many families in Gulf countries who have lots of kids is mainly from either mothers being uneducated and being from 3rd world countries, fathers being elderly, polygamy being practised and having careless fathers. Otherwise, there's nothing stopping anyone from enrolling in any college or even getting a diploma.

And anyway, reducing number of children ends up affected society negatively in the long term when suddenly you'll have more elderly than the young and family connections are lost due to being smaller.. people end up having only 1 uncle or whatever.

I have no problem with people planning on limiting the number of their kids, but still, if someone wants to have more, they should be scolded for it. That's what's happening in Europe now, people who have five kids or more are seen as burdens on the economy or something and no one has more than two kids anymore because the government has refused to help them out and it's too damn expensive to be handling them. This has resulted in some major long-term effects which have only become apparent now.

smussuw, I read the translation and it refers to Al Jaheleyah period when they used to kill thier childrens because they afraid of not getting enough money to raise them.
it doesn't apply on the subject we are not talking about killing childrens we are talking about not having lots of childrens

It is all related because we all believe that god is responsible for our wealth therfore if having small number of children because some are afriad of their economical level just show that some one have lack on his faith.

To elaborate on the point just raised, choosing to have seven kids for example, when you're a normal employee, isn't really "tawaakol" whereby you know for sure you can't afford it and you'll end up raising nobodies or don't have the patience for it but go ahead and do it anyway and rely on God for help. If you have a fair idea of what to expect and are aware that your quality of life might be below average, but you'll pull through anyway, and you'll work hard, it's "tawakkol".

Tawaakol and being careless is like the example I gave of the Sudanese guy who's unemployed and gets married and has a kid and doesn't even attempt to find a job. He's relying on help with no work on his part.

As long as people are fairly realistic in their expectations, there's nothing wrong with someone being satisfied with decreasing his quality of life by not travelling, not enlisting his kids in private schools, or not dining out in hotels or buying expensive clothes and rather settling for a Toyota station wagon instead of a luxury car for several members of the family in an "upper middle class" neighbourhood. So be it, some people are happier with a big family having a big family dinner in their small house.

One more thing. Limiting number of kids was discussed by religious scientest all over the islamic history. From what I've read so far all of the fatawa being said by them prohibited limiting number of kids without a reasonable reason like the wife's health.