Liverpool Development Summary 2

[Doug Roberts]

Maggie, check out the Liverpool apartment thread there are some pics there.

[woody]

There has been a long detailed discussion for organisations in Liverpool with regard on how best to deal with access/crossing of King Eddy St, Strand and Wapping. Options such as bridges and underpasses were all considered but rejected, basically because people don't like them. An announcement will be made soon on the decision to go with "supercrossings" briefly these will be extra wide pavement areas for lots of people to cross together. The aim is to allow pedestrians to cross eg. the Strand, both carriageways in one go but to also build refuges in the centre reservation for pedestrian safety.

There will be 3/4 supercrossings installed at the most strategic locations with for example one at Canning Place to link Albert Dock area. there is to be one up at the Princes Dock end this will provide a pedestrian route across the footbridge over the dock and a 6 metre wide opening in the dock estate wall , I know it is a listed structure but negotiations are taking place to address this.

In all from what I've heard of the supercrossings plan I think it is a good idea and long overdue, get them built!!

Excellent news Doug, this is just what is needed as it was anticipated that all crossings would be at grade. Last year I posted that this is sort of crossing we must have, the bridge into Princes Dock is also welcome news, access to this rather isolated area must be made safer and easier if the dock is to become intergrated with the CBD.

Extra wide ,built up in the road to form a low but extended road hump with the crossing clearly indicated by painting the road,with good overhead lighting is vital if pedestrians are to be encouraged to cross only at these designated points.
It would also help if traffic speeds could be kept to 30mph, by using digital
cameras.

[Scarecrow]

Get rid of this crap:
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/1333/byrom15ac.jpg
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/9341/byrom27ya.jpg

[Fitzroy]

I agree - it's just as bad as the area around Salford Quays!

[westisbest]

a few 5-10 story apartments would go well there

[maggie]

unfortunately with the exception of the tenemant blocks most of that will stay.. its fairly normal in most inner city regeneration areas.. just look at the immediate areas round canary wharf and north greenwich.. salford quays in manchester... its quite normal to have small pockets of social housing in urban areas.. even in londons west end theres bits of it

[westisbest]

Westie will look good on them 2 pics

[Martin S]

In the second of Bunny's photos, just in front of the left hand tower block you can see the cutting which is the only spot on the Edge Hill to Waterloo Dock rail route that is open to the air. Although the tunnel is dead straight, the section from Edge Hill to the cutting is known as the Victoria Tunnel and the rest is the Waterloo tunnel.

The rail route has been closed for many years but was used to take freight to Waterloo Goods Yard and for passengers to Riverside Station on Princes Dock. A few years ago, there was a proposal to reopen the tunnel as a highway route from the M62 into central Liverpool but the preferred solution now seems to be the widening of Edge Lane.

All the same, it would be good if some use could be found for the tunnels and cutting such as a rail route into the Central Docks with an intermediate station to serve the Byrom Street area which looks to increase in density a lot over the next few years.

[Doug Roberts]

This tunnel and the one in the south side (is it Brunswick??) are such an asset it seems a real waste that we can't make use of them.

[Martin S]

This tunnel and the one in the south side (is it Brunswick??) are such an asset it seems a real waste that we can't make use of them.

The tunnel that runs from Edge Hill to the old Wapping Goods depot is the Wapping Tunnel and was built as part of the Liverpool and Manchester railway.

[Wirral]

http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/stations/l/liverpool_riverside/index.shtml

Just abit of info on the old riverside station on princes dock.

[Martin S]

Thanks for the article Wirral. Riverside Station was built cheaply as an afterthought and running main line trains down public roads wasn't ideal. The main reason the Waterloo / Victoria tunnel was built was as a freight route to the goods terminal. This meant it was quite narrow and passenger trains had to travel at very low speeds to ensure they didn't scrape the walls or oncoming trains. On the road section, they had to be preceded by a man carrying a red flag.

Still, the station enabled passengers to travel directly to their Atlantic Liners and must have been very convenient when Liverpool was a major passenger port.

[Scarecrow]

Brilliant link Wirral.
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/stations/l/liverpool_exchange/liverpool_exchange1.jpg
Fantastic image as well! :cheers:

[Wirral]

http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/stations/sites.shtml

From this link, it gives info on other dis-used stations, like the old line that went via caldy and thurstaston. Didn't realise there was a station in Caldy, knew of the Thurstaston one though, still very visible at Wirral Country Park.

[Louis1986]

great info, im only 19 , so its great to see all the things that have disappeared over time

[Louis1986]

looking at the pictures of old central station, they could have done a similar thing to what the G-Mex in Manchester is, but i guess there was no real demand for it at the time!

[Gareth]

In a converstion with bunny the other day, I pondered on the idea of Moorfields underground having an entrance through here. It would be much more grand than the existing two rather crap structures it has at the moment.

http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/stations/l/liverpool_exchange/liverpool_exchange1.jpg
Fantastic image as well! :cheers:

We could also rename it 'Exchange' if we wanted to. ;)

[jetsetwilly]

I'd prefer it if they just demolished the load of arse that is Moorfield's current station, and built a new one - with a nice office building on top of it! Never mind this "up an escalator to go down the underground" business - a ground floor entrance, a below ground ticket hall, and a good few Mikes of prime office block right on top of it...

[Scarecrow]

Relocate it to Exchange station, and have an entrance where the Atrium bar is.

[Accura4Matalan]

I'd prefer it if they just demolished the load of arse that is Moorfield's current station, and built a new one - with a nice office building on top of it! Never mind this "up an escalator to go down the underground" business - a ground floor entrance, a below ground ticket hall, and a good few Mikes of prime office block right on top of it...
They demolish Moorfields and build a station on the new boulevard that will exist at the BID development.

[maggie]

Relocate it to Exchange station, and have an entrance where the Atrium bar is.
if they did that it would be quite a walk to get to the wirral line platforms

[Scarecrow]

Not really maggie. Depends which way the escalators are facing. If they're under the road, It'd be pretty much the same distance, and not nearly as far as the Old Hall Street entrance. :)

[Accura4Matalan]

Is Exchange Station currently being used for something?

[maggie]

Is Exchange Station currently being used for something?
err yeahh.. the former platforms are becoming st pauls square and the main entrance building is the mecury court office building

[Paul D]

There's a new club opening by ours next month,it's situated at the back of the showcase cinema in what used to be smilin' sams,it's called Club Isis. (http://clubisis.co.uk/)

[westisbest]

not eve radio city themselves know how high they are up. "You might be used to looking up and seeing the Radio City tower dwarfing Liverpool....

Well today you might struggle to see us because of all the fog!

We've got some spectacular views of how the city looks 450-feet above ground."

[Paul D]

Second Mersey Crossing (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16553241%26method=full%26siteid=50061%26headline=second%2dmersey%2dcrossing%2dset%2dfor%2dgo%2dahead%2dtoday-name_page.html) is set for go ahead today...allegedly.

[Gareth]

I find this bit interesting on the last page.

We've been short-changed, say politicians as lion's share of the money goes to Manchester

POLITICIANS last night said Merseyside had been short-changed by the NWRA after it earmarked three times more money for projects in Manchester.

The executive board's recommendations will mean Greater Manchester gets £488.4m (46% of the money) while Merseyside, including Liverpool and Halton, will be assigned £167.6m (16%).

MPs and councillors said the allocations would be a kick in the teeth for the region, which was refused £170m of public cash for the Merseytram scheme in November, particularly as Manchester could be granted £260m for its Metrolink.

Last night, NWRA officials insisted the proposals, which will be passed to the Department for Transport (DfT) for approval, were worked out using fair criteria and did not represent a disproportion between regions.

Liverpool council leader Cllr Warren Bradley, met Merseyside's four other authority leaders before Christmas and said they were to demand the £170m from the Government in the light of the proposals.

Last night he said: "We have been getting the short end of the wedge in transport funding from the Government for years.

"I feel upset that we have been let down by transport ministers and civil servants yet again." John Pugh, Lib-Dem MP for Southport, questioned the democratic processes behind the panel, criticising its "secretive" methods and the fact it was not directly elected by the public.

He said: "The only people with real influence and leverage in regional transport appear to be the executive class of the government agencies and the consultants they hire."

But Phil Robinson, the assembly's acting chief executive, said priorities were decided from a criteria based on 50% economic considerations, 25% environmental considerations and 25% social considerations.

"I am sure this will upset people, but difficult decisions have to be made. There are always winners and losers, if you can call them that."

Responding to criticisms about democratic processes, Mr Robinson insisted the process was not secretive.

[Gareth]

I've got to say I'm not in the least bit surprised. I've noticed the Granadian quangos are always rather reserved when it comes to supporting the Mersey Crossing.

[Fitzroy]

Does anyone have a breakdown on the allocation of funds since the NWDA was set up? Thanks.

[Toadboy]

Are we being short changed or are we not fighting our corner?

Liverpool MPs moan about The Daily Sport and Iraq, Manchester MPs kick off about the airport, local and national transport links, grants etc.

[Awayo]

Claire Curtis-Thomas, MP for my native consituency of Crosby, is she of the Daily Sport campaign. She has the largest expenses claim in the Commons and is the woman who forgot to turn up in the House of Commons and sit in the right place in order to get her own Private Members' Bill for the Mersey Tunnels (itself a disgrace, as it happens) through Parliament.

Her husband, who she employs on public expense as her own secretary (thus screwing TWO salaries for her household out of the public purse as well as her astronomical expenses) was prosecuted for defacing rival election posters on private property.

A truly useless waste of loyal New Labour, incompetant but moneygrubbing space. The most expensive MP in Parliament and one of the worst.

The one silver lining is that a new consituency (Sefton Central) is to be carved out of Formby and the (predominantly more well off) northern end of Great Crosby in time for the next general election. This new seat will probably fall to the Tories but at least we'll have seen Curtis-Thomas off. I expect that she'll try to contest this new seat (I doubt anyone else would have her, if she tried to scurry off to somewhere safer) and she should lose and fall off the gravy train.

I'm no fan of Tories, but having a new swing seat in the Greater Liverpool conurbation probably at least one Tory in Merseyside (I guess they'll take Wirral West at the very least next time too) is probably a good thing for the area, especially if the Tory's get into government next time.

I do fear they'll try to put Esther McVey into Sefton Central though. However, it could be worse, last election the Con candidate for Crosby was Debi frigging Jones!

[the golden vision]

Awayo, which seat is being lost for the new seat,is it crosby?

[Awayo]

Yep, it is Crosby. The southern end of Crosby is being merged with Bootle, resulting in the new Bootle constituency that is very likely to remain a safe Labour seat. The remainder of the previous Crosby consituency, plus Maghull (taken from the also abolished Knowsley N and Sefton E const.) will come together to make the new constituency.

The new Sefton East const. is actually a bit similar in make up to the old Crosby seat that was a safe Tory seat under Malcolm Thornton during the Thatcher years. That too was made up of Formby, Maghull and Crosby (albeit with more of the Greater Crosby area than the new seat).

[the golden vision]

There's a discrepancy here, not with crosby,but with Liverpool and Merseyside.The Knowsley South seat has been abolished, that leaves Merseyside with 15 seats,for a population of 1.4m.Greater Manchester,2.5m,has 30 seats. Liverpool has 4 seats for 450,00,Manchester,5 seats for 430,000. No wonder we don't have any infulence at Westminster. By the way,i don't suppose the people of Crosby will be too happy with the abolition of their seat.

[Toadboy]

Democracy eh?

[the golden vision]

Aye Toadboy, and don't forget we're all whingeing Scousers!

[Awayo]

There's a discrepancy here, not with crosby,but with Liverpool and Merseyside.The Knowsley South seat has been abolished, that leaves Merseyside with 15 seats,for a population of 1.4m.Greater Manchester,2.5m,has 30 seats. Liverpool has 4 seats for 450,00,Manchester,5 seats for 430,000. No wonder we don't have any infulence at Westminster. By the way,i don't suppose the people of Crosby will be too happy with the abolition of their seat.

There's a new Knowsley seat. Yep, most of Crosby will now be part of the Bootle consituency.

[the golden vision]

Yes, but Knowsley will only have one seat,instead of two. Merseyside is losing a seat,being reduced from 16 to 15.

[Fitzroy]

For a direct link to the horse's mouth:

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pbc/review_areas/Merseyside_Boroughs/liverpool.asp

[Fitzroy]

And for info about elsewhere:

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pbc/default.asp

[the golden vision]

Cheers for that. It's clear that Liverpool should have 5 MP's.

[Gareth]

There's a discrepancy here, not with crosby,but with Liverpool and Merseyside.The Knowsley South seat has been abolished, that leaves Merseyside with 15 seats,for a population of 1.4m.Greater Manchester,2.5m,has 30 seats. Liverpool has 4 seats for 450,00,Manchester,5 seats for 430,000. No wonder we don't have any infulence at Westminster. By the way,i don't suppose the people of Crosby will be too happy with the abolition of their seat.

How the hell has that been worked out? I'm surprised I nor anyoneelse on here has picked up on this before. I know about us getting one less MP, apparently it's because of the steady decline in population over the years. This doesn't explain why other areas are getting more MPs per head.

If Merseyside has 15 seats for 1.4m, Greater Manchester with about 2/3 more people, should have around 25 seats. So where the hell have the extra five seats come from? Are many of these cross boundary with parts of neighbouring counties?

[Gareth]

According to wikipedia (I know but it appears accurate enough), Greater Manchester has 28 not 30 seats. It's recommended that it gets reduced to 27. Merseyside has 16 but it's recommended to be reduced to 15. Two thirds of 15 is ten so I'd estimate around 25 for Greater Mancehster. 27 ain't too far off, but as it appears constituencies are drawn around counties, the error margin should be one extra seat at the most, not two.

[Tony Sebo]

We have to be rid of this bastard notion of t'northwest - it is slowly bleeding the city to death.

[Fitzroy]

The two links I posted above provide a rationale for allocation. It's not too late to offer a challenge given that the final decisions are yet to be made (as far as I am aware).

[Tony Sebo]

I have just been listening to the lead of the NWRA executive, who sanction these lists, on Radio merseyside justifying the allocations.

What he said was that;

each case is looked at in isolation
50%weighting goes to economic criteria
The economic criteria is determined as to what is most important from a 'regional' perspective
as manchester is the powerhouse of t'northwest it is natural that more of it's projects would come out higher up the list as a result of the regional importance criteria

All makes perfect sense if you believe in the mad world of 'regionalism'

[Fitzroy]

Is this the list for the allocation of resouces to NW transport infrastructure etc? Clearly an argument for maintaining the status quo. What are local politicians and others doing to challenge it?

[Tony Sebo]

yes Fitz it is the list to go to the government

I have agreed before with your assertions about local politicos too

[Gareth]

Here's a converstion I had on the Sabre transport forum. Not many on it had the time for my 'metro' idea. :(

http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9359&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

I appear as 'Gareth' somewhere on the second page.

[westisbest]

Good structural progress on St Pauls sq and the top of the scoffolding on Unity, is the height Unity will be

[Pietari]

http://www.dtruk.com/projects/chung.html

The Chung Ku Restaurant, Liverpool CLIENT: Private Client
LOCATION: Columbus Quay, Liverpool
VALUE: £1.8 million
SERVICES: Interior Design, Graphic Design
One of the most dramatic and exciting buildings on Liverpool's waterfront is the Chung Ku Restaurant. The oriental restaurant was opened in July and is located just south of the city centre at Columbus Quay. Standing beside the river, the restaurant provides some of the best panoramic views of the Mersey estuary.

The restaurant itself comprises 2 restaurant areas on a ground and upper floor, both with separate kitchen facilities. On the first floor also is located a suite for private banquets and functions.

The brief was to design a landmark building which would maximize the potential of its riverside location. The restaurant would seat over 300 guests and be fully equipped with the latest modern catering facilities. Key to the design was that it should be both distinctive internally and externally, whilst complimenting excellence of service and quality of cuisine.

[Gareth]

Beens loads of times, I'm slightly ashamed to say, seen as the boss is doing porridge for employing illegals and paying them beans. :|

[Pietari]

Gosh - not good - looks a nice place though. :runaway:

[Toadboy]

Chung Ku - excellent from my point of view, food good, decor etc good, design good, use of the sweeping glass wall fronting the river - excellent. I took a Dutch client in there not long after it first opened and he was blown away by the scale of the city. He was under the impression Liverpool was a town with a population of 450,000 or so, he'd never realised the metropolitan setting and the boroughs existed. Just shows what poor PR, misleading data and a fractured, parochial borough led approach does.

The restaurant is said to be the design of the owners son. As for the illegal immigrants, the Chinese look after (abuse surely?) there own, it's one of the reasons they have the dynamic and vibrant community that they do.

[Tony Sebo]

Absolutely
The design magazine 'Wallpaper' has a new spin out called navigation that focus' on the world's great cities. Manchester is profiled in issue 3... a 'city' of 2.5 million.

Our stupid bastards do us great harm. Will they do a cover on Liverpool the mighty metropolis of 425k? will they hell!

[maggie]

just noticed these developments were missing

check this link for details http://www.andrewlouis.co.uk/home/newdevelopments/index.asp

[Martin S]

just noticed these developments were missing

check this link for details http://www.andrewlouis.co.uk/home/newdevelopments/index.asp

Thanks Maggie.

I need to update the summary anyway, what with everything that has been going on the last few weeks.

[maggie]

no problems. glad to help

[buggedboy]

Could we possibly get the L1/Baltic warehouse development, unveiled last week, added to the Development Summary? I think that it's such a big development for the area that it merits addition.

cheers in advance..

[Paul D]

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/6011/pict00616qo8ro.jpg
The Strand



http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/4374/pdsa1op.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
College Lane?



http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/8342/southjohnstreet1tt3mx.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
The new cinema


http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3741/heapsmill43wn2dl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
The Baltic Triangle



http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/7109/moss8mw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Moss Street.

[Wirral]

i read in the daily express today that gala have taken over leo casino. and it mentioned that gala hoped that the takeover would mean future growth and expansion, aswell as owning the dolby hotel, which i didn't know.

[Pietari]

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16701147%26method=full%26siteid=50061%26headline=liverpool%2dis%2dthe%2dhome%2dof%2deverton%2d%2d%2dnot%2dknowsley-name_page.html

Liverpool is the home of Everton - not Knowsley Feb 14 2006

By Andy Kelly, Daily Post

LIVERPOOL council last night pledged to do all it can to keep Everton Football Club within the city boundaries following reports of a proposed move to Sefton.

It was suggested yesterday the Goodison club were interested in a site near to Switch Island currently owned by Peel Holdings, owner of Liverpool John Lennon Airport and the Trafford Centre.

While the club itself privately distanced itself from any such move, former council leader Mike Storey last night said Liverpool council was keen to make sure the city would not lose the Everton name to its near neighbour.

There is still enormous regret about Liverpool FC building its academy in Knowsley, tempted away by the borough's then chief executive, David Henshaw.

Cllr Storey, who now has responsibility for cultural and other special initiatives in Liverpool, said: "I'm quite sure the city council will do all it can to make sure both Liverpool and Everton stay within the city limits with any new stadiums.

"I had heard that Peel's land at Central Docks was a possibility for Everton and I believe that is a far more likely stadium site than Switch Island."

Everton have been approached by Peel Holdings about the Switch Island site and Peel are paying for a feasibility study to ascertain its suitability for a football ground, but events are not thought to have progressed any further than that.

And the Daily Post understands Everton are cool on the idea for two reasons. Firstly, the Switch Island site is green belt (formerly used for farming) and as such would be subject to a highly rigorous planning process and a lengthy public inquiry.

Those objections have been defeated by other developments though and it is the second reason, the club's reluctance to abandon its 125-year roots within the city boundaries of Liverpool, which is probably more key.

Everton fans have learned to treat all stadium possibilities with some scepticism.

And it is understood the Peel approach is one of just dozens from various developers with land to sell on Merseyside, in the knowledge that Everton have a publicly-stated desire to find a new stadium.

Given the well-documented lack of funds at Goodison, any stadium deal would almost certainly have to be preceded by new investment in Everton, even if the stadium was to be paid off through some sort of lease deal.

Last night both parties were remaining tight-lipped about any possible
developments. A statement from Peel said: "Following the acquisition of Mersey Docks and Harbour Company. Peel now own a number of sites that have potential for development in Liverpool and we are exploring future uses of this land with a number of organisations."

Everton spokesman Ian Ross said: "Since the demise of Kings Dock we have continued to look at a range of options and that will continue."

andykelly@dailypost.co.uk

[Pietari]

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16698335%26method=full%26siteid=50061%26headline=we%2dll%2dbuild%2dblues%2d%2dnew%2dstadium-name_page.html

EVERTON is in talks with £2bn property giant Peel Holdings to build a new stadium at Switch Island.

The company, one of the biggest developers in the UK, is offering the land it owns at Netherton.

Peel, led by multi-millioniare recluse John Whittaker, will provide a feasibility study into building the ground.

The news is a massive step for the club.

Peel Holdings has a record of pulling off major developments around the country.

It owns Liverpool John Lennon airport, Mersey Docks and Harbour Company, the Manchester Ship Canal and the Trafford Centre.

A senior Everton source said the study is entirely at Peel's expense and would not cost the club a penny.

A City source close to the talks told the ECHO today: "The plan is for Peel to build a new stadium for Everton to gradually acquire it on a lease scheme.

"Over the medium term the plan would be a win-win for both parties."

Everton director Paul Gregg confirmed that talks with Peel have taken place and fully supports the proposals.

"Any opportunity that Everton has for new means to provide a new stadium would be fantastic."

He welcomed Peel's interest: "It is quite obvious the present board does not have the financial resources to support the club's ambitions and maybe they should be looking at new opportunities and new investors."

Everton secretary Keith Wyness revealed two months ago that the club was in talks over a new stadium and that one option was to build it within a three-mile radius of the club's current Goodison Park home.

That would include Switch Island, near Maghull.

Peel issued a statement to the ECHO today, saying: "Following the acquisition of Mersey Docks and Harbour Company, Peel now own a number of sites that have the potential for development in Liverpool and we are exploring future uses of this land with a number of different organisations."

An Everton spokesman added: "We have a number of options still open to us. Since the demise of Kings Dock we have continued to look at a range of options and that will continue."

neilhodgson@liverpoolecho.co.uk

[JUXTAPOL]

Maybe Peel are tempting Everton away from the central docks location because they have big development plans there, which will be more profitable.

On the LFC stadium saga, seem's that the £10m which may be now forthcoming from NWDA, has probably cost LFC many more times this, due to delays and rising costs.

Maybe the NWDA are MUFC supporters, trying to deplete LFC money so they can't buy players to compete.... :)

[westisbest]

If so they shouldn't be in this job, as a judged should't be biased to a culture, race, sex etc

[terryfied]

Maybe Peel are tempting Everton away from the central docks location because they have big development plans there, which will be more profitable.

On the LFC stadium saga, seem's that the £10m which may be now forthcoming from NWDA, has probably cost LFC many more times this, due to delays and rising costs.

Maybe the NWDA are MUFC supporters, trying to deplete LFC money so they can't buy players to compete.... :)

Man Utd didn't need to go cap in hand for funds to build their stadium. ;)

[tommygunn]

Man Utd didn't need to go cap in hand for funds to build their stadium. ;)
Liverpool are rebuilding from scratch and are also helping to rebuild parts of the anfield area.

[JUXTAPOL]

Liverpool residents to be given a say on how the entire city develops.

See link to full item here (http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/News/newsdetail_1579.asp)

Examples of this include saying where they feel major residential development should take place, whether the city centre should be given priority for development, whether limits should be placed on the number of takeaway shops and bars in some areas and if green wedges throughout the city should be identified.

[Paul D]

Martin here's a couple of pictures for your next development summary update,there's a few further back for you as well,thanks in advance. :)

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4822/stpaulssquare6lk.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
St Pauls Square



http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4999/kdhotel2kc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Hotel=Kings Dock



http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/3982/mannisland0kp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Mann Island



http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/421/cgi45rl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shaw Street.

[Tony Sebo]

The hotel is fucking disgusting...why are we still allowing this type of shit?

[Pietari]

Probably because it`s cost effective and they can get their money back - they are not building `monuments` like the `Adelphie`..... much maligned as it is.

The reality is that most hotels today are just `Tent Cities` and they move on.

When was the last `Dorchester` built?

[Gareth]

Is this fucking red brick abomination what Warren Bradley & Co mean when they go on about us not accepting what we would have back in the nineties? Rediculous. Where's the so-called quality control WHS was supposed to make mandatory? It seems to me that any old crap can be thrown up as long as it's not taller than anything that already exists in the vicinity. Farcicle just farcicle! :no:


http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4999/kdhotel2kc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Hotel=Kings Dock

[Louis1986]

has it got permission to be built?

[Tony Sebo]

But that's design-build shite Pietari. There are some really good hotels being built all over the place... a good example is just up the road on Princes Dock... what ever you think of the malmaison's 'design' at least you can see an that architect has been at least invited into the room to look when it was pulled together.

Given all that they have said about KD being of 'world significance' it is even worse in that context... does nobody actually look at these schemes... they must simply get an outline written report... brown/red brick..check.. no taller than albert dock...check.... non pretentious, fully defers etc...check. OK give it the go ahead!

[Gareth]

has it got permission to be built?

I don't think it has yet. We could always hope they'll put more effort into what finally goes up but I'm not holding my breath. Apart from the stadium, I reckon what shall go up at Kings Dock will be inoffensive at best, pathetic at worst.

[Pietari]

ECoC and WHS have all been maligned but have still generated intesting and beneficial proposals and some are actually happening.

Do we intend to rebuild New York, London, Tokio, Athens, Rome, San Francisco.....

Personally for the moment I`d settle for just rebuilding `Liverpool` ..... inward investment, jobs, security and self worth.....

and then I`ll buy a better new coat.....whilst I remind people I`m worth more.

Isn`t the `Crowne Plazza` going to be `rebuilt?`

[Tony Sebo]

But it IS the building of 'Liverpool' that is being stifled!
The proposals that have been rejected, watered down or heritagised were not really NYC style were they?

What is Liverpool? What is planned by those behind the major design drive now want to craft a FALSE, NEW image of Liverpool...one where cornicelines and contiguous style form the central aspect... Venice (that dead place) maybe, but certainly not Liverpool.

I think you are also slipping into that dangerous assumption of making WHS the something benificial you think it cold be... rather than the preservation tool that it is.

[Pietari]

Tony,

I`ve been around the block and sometimes you talk as if you have too.

Liverpool was downsized for various reasons.....too independant etc.

We didn`t go quietly.....and actually haven`t.

Loyal yes, stupid no.
Helpful yes, helpless no.
Trusting yes, trusted no.
Betrayed yes, more than most.

And we will have the city we deserve and it won`t all come from outside.

Architecurally it was the buildingings / city that we wanted to build that got built ..... and it will be again.

[Tony Sebo]

You are right on that of course... what depresses me now is that the city is not really flying, as we sometimes state so often on here... it is picking up, but even this is being diluted.

The city is and will be what it has the potential to be... and what ever this is it needs to be maximised. Buildings are only the manifestation of the more important drivers at work in the city... my main concern is the current obsession with 'buildings' actualy dilutes these forces...which is truly dangerous!

[Pietari]

I don`t see the Jury being any worse than the Crown Plaza, Marriots, Radison, Johnson, Holiday Inns, Express or Travel Lodge or Adelphi, Malmaison or London carriage works ..... you just pays yer money.

[Tony Sebo]

you are right about that too... but it wasn't me who said this was a world class site and all buildings would be exemplars... if that is an exemplar building then I would have grave concerns at what else will come out in the details...certainly not God.

Personally I have nothing against 'workaday' buildings, I see nothing wrong with the hotel in Queen Sq or the new one up the side of Vernon St...plain as they are...a city full of 'icons' would look silly... but... the buildings on KD have been promised to all be world class.

so.. we need to look at context...KG is a context that has been set extremely high by those touting the development...in that context the building is even worse than bad... it may just be passable on estualry park... but thier precious KD?

It IS ugly by any measure.

[Fitzroy]

I don`t see the Jury being any worse than the Crown Plaza, Marriots, Radison, Johnson, Holiday Inns, Express or Travel Lodge or Adelphi, Malmaison or London carriage works ..... you just pays yer money.


I was in Glasgow recently and stayed at the Radisson, an interesting building in a very run down location, boarded up buildings a few metres away. The Jurys Inn on the river front was equally as shite to look at as the one depicted on this thread but that Jurys for you. No change there.

[Fitzroy]

You are right on that of course... what depresses me now is that the city is not really flying, as we sometimes state so often on here... it is picking up, but even this is being diluted.

The city is and will be what it has the potential to be... and what ever this is it needs to be maximised. Buildings are only the manifestation of the more important drivers at work in the city... my main concern is the current obsession with 'buildings' actualy dilutes these forces...which is truly dangerous!

Tony, the Liverpool you have created in your mind must be the mother of all cities if you think its only 'picking up' at the moment - what with its highest level of inward investment ever and all. I have only really known Liverpool since 1998 and I can remember looking at Princes dock from the Thistle hotel and thinking 'what a waste'. The city was vastly underdeveloped then. Ropewalks was a mess, the area around Lime Street was even more of a dump than it is now etc. etc.

If Liverpool aint flying it could have fooled me!

[Tony Sebo]

I don't want to labour that point really as the dampening of what potential is being ofered right now by solid, on the table, proposals, was my main one, but!

What is appening right now in Liverpool is great, but we do view it from such a low baseleine...i.e NOTHING going on.

Like having the 'fastest growing economy'... when we still lag behind as the reality is that growth is insuficient to catch up our competitor cities.

if there is £Bn being invested in Liverpool then manc, leeds etc will be getting 1.5Bn, one reason is that the overall amount of investment we actually land has always been salami sliced by....?

As for the city in my head, then I don't really have one. the main point I made below is that we should maximise the opportunities, investment and business growth and we are not doing this.

To use an old cliche, my view on where we stand at the moment is not the 'glass half empty or half full' one...more that I am intensely irritated by the contents being deliberately poured out.

last point on this. Another concern is that the city is very buoyant right now...but then it was in the 60s' and even early 70s'..but it all dissapeard, wilow the whisp-like virtually overnight... what we are currently seeing is the same type of investment. Thre were a lot of buildings and loadds of public funding (all that demolition and decantment of whole communities cost a bomb)

We need to be using the current growth to root this growth period by creating wealth generating structures but we are not. A huge reason behind this is the public sector demanding that they keep control.

We can and should be doing better than we are, even with what we are being offered..all those little lopping off of 4 storeys here,, number of flats in a scheme there etc all add up.

[Pietari]

"We can and should be doing better than we are, even with what we are being offered..all those little lopping off of 4 storeys here,, number of flats in a scheme there etc all add up."

They most certainly do and I agree .....

Nevertleless schemes are getting `hotter`,`bigger` and `bolder`..... despite the `advised down sizing` by the `planning rejection committee` and some have `even improved` ie, `Central Village` ..... they just now need to be accepted.

Liverpool needs `functioning city scape`,
Inspirational and aspirational schemes we have had by the bucket load.

Now perhaps we are begining to see `functional` actually deliver.

I am confident that the rest will follow quite quickly.

It would be nice to see advance by leaps and bounds but sometimes the small steps achieve more, more consistently.

The city has stopped declining and is growing - 2008 is not the ultimate goal.

[Paul D]

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1163/covershot12cm2yn.gif (http://imageshack.us)
I don't know whether this would go on the next summary update I don't see why not but I do like the design.

[Tony Sebo]

That is rather disgusting Paul!

Pietari... I think you hit the nail on the head there... in fact I will have to nick those two phrases you have just coined.

'Functioning cityscape is a pearler... almost as good as the planning rejection committee!!!! could not have put it better myself... indeed, I haven't.

It is my central point that if we go with as much activity as we can possible generate, maintain and attract... and this leads to huge increases in floorspace for commerce and residential then we should celebrate when that capacity is so much that it leads to change in the skyline to accommodate it. When we reject buildings that 'impact' we are basically rejecting the activity that it would house, we have low density on every block as a result and so the commercial units at ground floor that the planners insist upon (for aesthetic reasons) remain empty and shuttered up!

Form should follow function to use another old architectural cliche... it wiorks when you expand it out to urbanism.

[Bachy Soletanche]

There are objections to the North Liverpool Academy being Built on the Dixie Dean field in Breckfield

[gobshoite]

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1163/covershot12cm2yn.gif (http://imageshack.us)
I don't know whether this would go on the next summary update I don't see why not but I do like the design.
Reminds me of the final scene of Silver Streak? Where the train crashes through the station!

[Fitzroy]

The design shown in post #338 looks part airbus, part tupperware! Interesting.

[woody]

Is this fucking red brick abomination what Warren Bradley & Co mean when they go on about us not accepting what we would have back in the nineties? Rediculous. Where's the so-called quality control WHS was supposed to make mandatory? It seems to me that any old crap can be thrown up as long as it's not taller than anything that already exists in the vicinity. Farcicle just farcicle! :no:


http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4999/kdhotel2kc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Hotel=Kings Dock

Having just posted my initial reaction to the Mann Island proposals as WOW , I must agree with Gareths reaction , I am very disapointed if this was passed, it even makes the WHITE apartment block (Royal Quays ?) next door look good.
But having seen Jury`s in Manchester, Newcastle and Dublin I am not surprised, the style of brick facade with small windows is a common detail,
As Tony has said we were promised " world class" buildings on Kings and the future looked bright when the Arena details emerged, the first phase apartment tower looked a let down and now this mundane proposal. This is one for Lady D and chums to pull apart, even if the planning manager approves it. :) 2008 or not this part of Kings must be "world class"

[Pietari]

That is rather disgusting Paul!

Pietari... I think you hit the nail on the head there... in fact I will have to nick those two phrases you have just coined.

'Functioning cityscape is a pearler... almost as good as the planning rejection committee!!!! could not have put it better myself... indeed, I haven't.

It is my central point that if we go with as much activity as we can possible generate, maintain and attract... and this leads to huge increases in floorspace for commerce and residential then we should celebrate when that capacity is so much that it leads to change in the skyline to accommodate it. When we reject buildings that 'impact' we are basically rejecting the activity that it would house, we have low density on every block as a result and so the commercial units at ground floor that the planners insist upon (for aesthetic reasons) remain empty and shuttered up!

Form should follow function to use another old architectural cliche... it wiorks when you expand it out to urbanism.

Mr Sebo,

As far as I am concerned,

Until `Liverpool` returns to it`s prior population of 860,000 we are still in decline.

But much of what was removed was in place then.

That`s progress for you.....

:) :cheers:

[Pietari]

Having said that ..... we are growing again and Liverpool is a rapid place historically.

[Pietari]

There are objections to the North Liverpool Academy being Built on the Dixie Dean field in Breckfield

It`s currently a wasteland and the sooner new developments push down the likes of Breck Road etc the better - unless they reinvent the shops and take down all of the `thief proof` metal shutters....

:bash:

In any case it`s just opposite `Everton Park` - so the `goalie misses the ball and they chase it down hill` ..... it`s not rocket science.

[Wirral]

There seem to be alot of planning apllications being considered at the moment, some of them have been in there for quite some time:
Grand Central Tower
Central Station Tower
New World Square
Project X, Sefton Street
and the new Runcorn-Widnes Bridge
Any idea when decisions are due?

[Pietari]

http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=241839&page=12&pp=20

Booming Salford's tax bonus

SALFORD'S growing population has helped keep the city's council tax bills down.

An extra £1m will be generated from 1,500 new households paying tax.

etc

City finance spokesman Coun Bill Hinds said: "We are seeing signs of an increase in population, which is the result of massive investment in Salford.

"This is bringing benefits which everyone in the city can share."

[JUXTAPOL]

A couple of shots of the Liverpool City model, phwoooar shee's a stunner. :runaway:

PSDA.
http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/6710/zmodelofliverpoolcity27sh.jpg

Kings Dock development.
http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/4628/zmodelofliverpoolcity15aa.jpg

[Dreamer]

Good pics, but still a let down, not enough density. They should create a Canary Wharf type development, think BIG! - why not Liverpool?

[Tony Sebo]

Spot on Dreamer! Those issues of critical mass and desnsity... especially as planners now insist on ground floor commercial, do not even form part of the equation right now... it is ALL about stilteed notions of 'appropriateness' and 'good manners'

Even the bloody shops they demand remain empty as a result!

I did have someone from a heritage group tell me once that this would drive down prices and then suitable business could afford the rents... second hand book stores was his prefered chice to populate every street!

[Dreamer]

yer sad but true, office towers and appartments should of been on there and a new square with stages and LCD screens, a hive of 24 activity...

[JUXTAPOL]

A few more shots of the Liverpool city centre model for dups45 showing Princess Dock area.


http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/3900/zmodelofliverpoolcity48ug.jpg

http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/7831/zmodelofliverpoolcity30dx.jpg

[dups45]

This looks really good, but i thought it was the new model, they have still missed loads of it out, where are all the new hotels and cruise liner facility planned for kings dock, i notice the audi show room is just a space with no building, the met quarter isn't on here either. Not as good as i was expecting unfortunatly. thanks for uploading though juxtapol

[JUXTAPOL]

Agreed, suprised so many building are missed off. This should be a regular project for some Undergraduates to keep updated, maybe the new models are being made as we speak...!

I reckon if we sent details to that city in China where artists produce all those fake masters, then they could produce an amazingly realistic model of liverpool, in full colour and rendering, within a week. :runaway:

[westisbest]

i take it new developments are the yellower, so whats the building right of MSCP

[JUXTAPOL]

i take it new developments are the yellower, so whats the building right of MSCP

This waterfront shot shows these building with the MSCP just visible behind. The yellow L shaped building in the model, is the red and grey building shown in the middle below.
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5256/zlowlevelbuildings2pg.jpg

[Tony Sebo]

Have you noticed that the low level carpark/roof garden from RSA is also missing from the model?..... I wonder if therr is an interesting reason as to why it's gone?

[begsy]

Tony that area missing is the press hall and car park for the Echo, I think its just been left off by mistake or perhaps they want to expand the press hall. The area between the Atlantic tower and the RSA is the RSA carpark, rumours are theres an appartment building going up on said site.

[Tony Sebo]

That would be fantastic!
if it's tall enough it will give RSA the context I have always said is all that it needs for people to realise it is a great building!

You can imagine though that it will be cut to EXACTLY the same size as RSA...such is the idiocy of the uniform corniceline.

[Pietari]

I think the important thing now is that the city centre is looking a lot more joined up and the potential and the boundaries are shifting significantly to a greater downtown density and dynamic.

If you take central Paris as a small example (population of what - 2m?) not `very` high rise but 24hr dynamic.....lots of street activity.

Liverpool has moved a great deal from even only ten years ago when far too much of even the `downtown` core was quiet.

Now it`s all moving and vibrant and developing.....as it should be.

There`s a lot more to come.

[Kevin]

Agreed, suprised so many building are missed off. This should be a regular project for some Undergraduates to keep updated, maybe the new models are being made as we speak...!

I think they are updating the model. It's looks like loads of buildings have been added since i went and had a look

Photos from Feb 12st (http://skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=7449607&postcount=5)

[Ste]

I agree Pietari, the city is booming at the mo. I often get the 26 bus from Paradise Street to work and it does a little tour of the city and the streets are always bustling with people, there are buildings going up everywhere and there's a real mix. Its all good!

[Ste]

I agree Pietari, the city is booming at the mo. I often get the 26 bus from Paradise Street to work and it does a little tour of the city and the streets are always bustling with people, there are buildings going up everywhere and there's a real mix. Its all good!

I remember when we only had 2 cranes on the skyline and that wasn't too long ago!

[Dreamer]

However there are still many vacant plots of land which easily could be filled, such as small infill sites on Parliament street, London Road etc

[Pietari]

It`s a question of watch this space `Dreamer` over the next year or two and beyond.

Everybody might be in for a surprise.

[AMC LPOOL MANC]

is harvey nichs, selfridges, mnacys and bloomingdales comin to Liverpool? nd how amny skyscrapers are getting built.. Please not like the manchester ones well 2.. they look fucken awful.. one is a giant phone box.. the other Lets be big like london tower.. There council needs to get a grip..

[AMC LPOOL MANC]

is harvey nichs, selfridges, macys and bloomingdales comin to Liverpool? And how many skyscrapers are getting built.. Please not like the manchester ones well 2.. they look fucken awful.. one is a giant phone box.. the other Lets be big like london tower.. There council needs to get a grip.. And they need to realsie that Liverpool has more to offer in Students, Nightlife, Buildings, city size and people than they ever will.. And 90% of them i met agree.. there nightlife and buildings are BAD

[Liverpool8]

That's students for you. Change their opinions with the wind. Your post reads like it might have been ale-concocted. Personally, don't care about what London and manchester are doing. Don't give a fuck about Harvey Nicks etc. Liverpool should be more like Liverpool not London. If it has to be like anywhere else give me New York City any day. Surely we want a city that has more than one upmarket chavatorium after another. Variety. T.J Hughes, Sunday morning just before opening, waiting outside to go in for a warm and a cuppa. Great vibe.

[woody]

how amny skyscrapers are getting built..

Amc, take a look at page one of this thread to see Martin S excellent development summary.
Oh and welcome to the Liverpool Forum :)

[Dreamer]

Pietari u say that as if your in the know!. How about having a Liverpool store, from South America? its very big over there and would be great to have a shop so unique and with our name. We need to intergrate areas better such as you reach Parliament street and its cut off, with nice burnt out council flats to meet u!, and wot about China town clean the bastard up and get rid of the burnt out flats, wot a shame on the city

[JUXTAPOL]

Those burnt out council flats in China Town (opposite the Cathedral), are earmarked for redevelopment by Urban Splash. It seems to be taking a long time though, maybe it's a stubborn resident wanting £1/2M to move out of their council house. :)
Noticed an old building on Berry St rapidly deteriorating, which has a lot of new build going on behind, a shame since the roadworks have improved the street a lot. Hopefully this is just a temporary situation, and will be part of the new build. Berry St doesnt need much work doing to make it look great.

[Dreamer]

Sadly Berry street is still run down, and easily could be tarted up, the road looks great so could the rest

[woody]

Downing at it again...............Their application to renovate the Wellington Building is set to be approved at the next planning meeting, 11th. April.

The existing 10 storey block will gain an extra two floors, 57 apartments and basement car parking.

[richie1878]

Do we have a photo of that building Woody, can't think which one you mean?

[woody]

Do we have a photo of that building Woody, can't think which one you mean?

Yes , by chance JUXTAPOL posted a photo on 2nd April on the big dig thread of the Strand Footbridge (post #77 ) which shows this building looming large above the footbridge.

[Pietari]

Pietari u say that as if your in the know!. How about having a Liverpool store, from South America? its very big over there and would be great to have a shop so unique and with our name. We need to intergrate areas better such as you reach Parliament street and its cut off, with nice burnt out council flats to meet u!, and wot about China town clean the bastard up and get rid of the burnt out flats, wot a shame on the city

Dreamer,

I did see some time ago that there was a very large departmental store in South America (I think in Argentina (?) called "LIVERPOOL" - Yes we should ask them to open a branch in "Liverpool One(L1)" .....

Mexico .....
Liverpool is a chain of department stores in Mexico.
http://www.liverpool.com.mx/

The largest and best-known Liverpool is the city in England.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_(disambiguation)

Totally agree with you for the regeneration of the city downtown to reach out and rejoin the areas that have been so very bady effected with decline over these last decades. I can see `Upper Parly` - L8 etc playing a very exciting mix in the regeneration as the new investment takes place providing it doesn`t displace people. Is the `Granby Street (?) "International Market" still taking place - I haven`t heard anything for a while ie, we have `Farmers Markets`, the `International Market` as was proposed a year or so ago ..... ` and the occasional `Chinese Market`.

I also agree with you that `China Town` needs a revamp and major paint job `SOON`..... if not by 2007.

Sadly that excellent `Chinese Arch` already needs a new face lift due to the very harsh environment - the paint is already peeling and the various symbols eroded.

Being the `oldest` Chinatown` in Europe shouldn`t mean being the scruffiest.

Maybe in the 21st Century it needs some sort of `Rainbow canopy` above it to protect it from the billowing winds of the Mersey.....or stronger paint.

L1,L2,L3,L4,L5,L6,L7,L8 etc in no set order.....L2100 Mexico :cheers:

:) :) :) :) :)

The thought just struck me that with Liverpool having previously had so many `Mail Ships` we could / should designate honorary `Liverpool post codes` globally in time for 2008 so that we can trully say we are the `World in one City` :cheers:

"To the world from one city"

[Dreamer]

Excellent Pietari. I havent seen the Granby market so Im guessing it hasnt happened. I think they should rebuild the grand town houses along Upper Parly such as the likes of Windermere Terrace (not Evergreen Terrace!). The LCC seam to put in some effort into an area and then stop just short of the finishing post, leaving some rot behind. This small amount of trouble grows again and the area goes down once more.
I would love to see China Town reflect some of the amazing cities of Shanghai and Hongkong as in great buildings and a modern vibrant feel. I really feel the Liverpool department store is an amazing idea and should be followed up.

[richie1878]

Yes , by chance JUXTAPOL posted a photo on 2nd April on the big dig thread of the Strand Footbridge (post #77 ) which shows this building looming large above the footbridge.


Thanks Woody, and of course Juxtapol too :cheers:

[Pietari]

Excellent Pietari. I havent seen the Granby market so Im guessing it hasnt happened. I think they should rebuild the grand town houses along Upper Parly such as the likes of Windermere Terrace (not Evergreen Terrace!). The LCC seam to put in some effort into an area and then stop just short of the finishing post, leaving some rot behind. This small amount of trouble grows again and the area goes down once more.
I would love to see China Town reflect some of the amazing cities of Shanghai and Hongkong as in great buildings and a modern vibrant feel. I really feel the Liverpool department store is an amazing idea and should be followed up.

Absolutely Dreamer,

I was toddling around the `Ropewalk` area on Saturday last and I was both amazed and disappointed.

`East Village` and I think `Circle 106` and the `Liverpool Community College` developments are really adding to the area.....not to mention the bar / resturants and the new shops.

Additionally some of the renovations of those beautiful `Georgian Town Houses` in and around the area of `Ropewalks` where so good I almost thought they where `new build` - it`s a really mixed up area and for the better.

Very Cosmopolitan.

I can not believe that it will be tooooo long before it spills out towards `Princes Avenue` and the surrounds any more than it should spill out towards `Breck Road` and `West Derby Road` and `Islington` and `Vauxhall`.

The more pressure on the `Downtown` the better to make it errupt and link to the previously `managed destruction` of our inner city heart.

And they will not win.
In fact they haven`t because the growth is already happening and we all must make sure it continues.

Many is the time I tottered along `Princes Avenue` (Boulavard) after a night on the tiles.....but that is another story. :)

[JUXTAPOL]

The councils update on all the major projects going on at the moment.

L.C.C's Major projects update (http://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/Published/C00000282/M00004570/AI00025295/$SI3ThedeliveryofmajorprojectsintheCityandprojectupdateMajorProjects160206Annex1.docA.ps.pdf)

[westisbest]

the edge lane development commences today

[Doug Roberts]

Westy here is a link to that story.


http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16963576%26method=full%26siteid=50061%26headline=work%2dgets%2dunder%2dway%2don%2dthe%2d%2dpound%2d350m%2dregeneration%2dof%2dedge%2dlane-name_page.html

[Paul D]

the edge lane development commences today

There's still people opposing it so does that mean no ones listening to them anymore?

[Paul D]

And while I'm at it get Scouserdave back........... :bash:

[Doug Roberts]

Only at election time and even then for about 2 seconds!!

[richie1878]

Just checked out the latest projects update. Easy to follow, and most informative (as always). Cheers Martin :cheers:

[Dreamer]

Well remember only Liberal will renovate and regenerate, not lib dem or labour as its all about the money for them and not us

[westisbest]

Just look how close these 5 developments (PSDA, Kings DK, Ropewalks, Baltic and Mann Island) are, they must cover the size on some medium sized city centers in england and other uropean countries, really is one big boom goin on in Liverpool
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9180/liverpooldevelopments2hw.jpg

[cambrian]

must agree,

driving up from Sefton St along Wapping and the Strand it really is amazing the amount of building activity going on.just a mass of cranes on the skyline on both sides of the road upto Princes Dock.
The look of this road will be totally different in a couple of years time.
Especially look forward to West peeping its head above Unity!

[Pietari]

Hi Cambrian,

Welcome to the forum.

It is `just going to be amazing` ...... :)

[kev]

It certainly is :)

[crazy monster]

The demolition of that ugly Echo office tower plus the R&SA building would accelerate development of the new Business District. Four towers on this site ranging from 60 to 45 would work. These two buildings detract from Liverpool's waterfront. This site has potential. On another building. Will the 015 Club be replaced by a tall building? It seems possible considering it's location. I don't know if a developer has purchased this site. The website Downtown Liverpool had said that it had been purchased, but by who? No developer was mentioned. One thing i do hate is all the unfounded rumours which are taken as fact. You hear about all these proposals and rumours about skyscrapers such as the King Edward and the proposals by Ballymore and Vermount but no signs of the council approving any. In Manchester there flying along with the construction of the 60 storey Inacity tower plus the Beetham tower at 58 storeys and many more. Will Liverpool ever be able to compete with that. I mean Liverpool will never see a 60 storey tower constructed. So much for a city with ambition and vision!
The Planning Committee are slow. In Manchester they drive forward developments.

[Pietari]

The demolition of that ugly Echo office tower plus the R&SA building would accelerate development of the new Business District. Four towers on this site ranging from 60 to 45 would work. These two buildings detract from Liverpool's waterfront. This site has potential. On another building. Will the 015 Club be replaced by a tall building? It seems possible considering it's location. I don't know if a developer has purchased this site. The website Downtown Liverpool had said that it had been purchased, but by who? No developer was mentioned. One thing i do hate is all the unfounded rumours which are taken as fact. You hear about all these proposals and rumours about skyscrapers such as the King Edward and the proposals by Ballymore and Vermount but no signs of the council approving any. In Manchester there flying along with the construction of the 60 storey Inacity tower plus the Beetham tower at 58 storeys and many more. Will Liverpool ever be able to compete with that. I mean Liverpool will never see a 60 storey tower constructed. So much for a city with ambition and vision!
The Planning Committee are slow. In Manchester they drive forward developments.

Crazy Monster,

Whilst I am in over all agreement with many of your comments - for the moment I`d prefer to see `Metropolitan House` (or what ever it is called these days)(that`s the brown tower above the LDP&E offices and was the HQ for Merseyside County Council) reclad and upgraded and possibly a similar overhall of the RSA building and its terraces - which I must admit I have a very soft spot for. (Vista Vista Vista!)

Before we go knocking down yet more parts of the city, `Business District` or not.

I would like to see a concerted effort to build NOW on already cleared sites around the city so that it can generally expand down the likes of Leeds Street, Pall Mall, Great Howard Street, Vauxhall, Scotland Road and the Central Docks etc.

I am quite sure that the more extravagent and grander schemes will follow in due course.

For the moment we need to also concentrate on getting the `Lime Street Gateway` started never mind finished and King Eddies and BQT, Central Village, NWS and Mann Island etc etc.

[T0M]

Crazy Monster,

Whilst I am in over all agreement with many of your comments - for the moment I`d prefer to see `Metropolitan House` (or what ever it is called these days)(that`s the brown tower above the LDP&E offices and was the HQ for Merseyside County Council) reclad and upgraded and possibly a similar overhall of the RSA building and its terraces - which I must admit I have a very soft spot for. (Vista Vista Vista!)

Before we go knocking down yet more parts of the city, `Business District` or not.

I quite agree, we could see a vast visual improvement of some of these keys buildings such as the RSA building with a relatively small investment and low distruption. Imagine the RSA totally reclad in angular stainless steel panels which reflect light in hundreds of directions.. :eek2: (Not saying it would work, just saying imagine!). With a bit of imaginative redesigning we could have a national icon on our hands...

[bustcapl]

the RSA building is already an national icon, i love it and think it makes a real statement from the other side.

[jets9]

Has anyone been on the wirral side at night and taken an eyeful of the RSA building? Magnificant! In keeping and in scale to everything on the waterfront. I've decided Iam going to start writing to the great and good to start the ball rolling to get it listed. It needs to be left alone to mature nicely.

[crazy monster]

Has anyone been on the wirral side at night and taken an eyeful of the RSA building? Magnificant! In keeping and in scale to everything on the waterfront. I've decided Iam going to start writing to the great and good to start the ball rolling to get it listed. It needs to be left alone to mature nicely.

Recladding would improve this building but as for getting it listed, that seems extreme! This building is unique, but is completely out of touch with the new buildings in this area. I believe in saving buildings but this isn't the Royal Liver Building or St George's! Once the buildings been vacated by the Royal Sun Alliance what do you think Dowing Developments will do then? Yes you've guessed it, demolition! I would like to agree with you but i can't. A modern development for this site seems more appropriate. How do feel about that ugly tower occupied by the Echo? You must agree this would provide the city with a first class development. After all you do want skyscrapers?

[bustcapl]

:cheers: Has anyone been on the wirral side at night and taken an eyeful of the RSA building? Magnificant! In keeping and in scale to everything on the waterfront. I've decided Iam going to start writing to the great and good to start the ball rolling to get it listed. It needs to be left alone to mature nicely.


I am with you JETs , lets get it listed

[The Longford]

:cheers:


I am with you JETs , lets get it listed

You'll have to wait one more year for it to come within the 30 year rule but when it does and you are serious you can PM me and i will look in to it.Its not my cup of tea to be honest but i have experience in this sort of thing and may be able to support a listing application and help you draw it up.

[b4mmy]

You'll have to wait one more year for it to come within the 30 year rule but when it does and you are serious you can PM me and i will look in to it.Its not my cup of tea to be honest but i have experience in this sort of thing and may be able to support a listing application and help you draw it up.

s'ok Longshanks. English Heritage have had their beady eye on it for a while

[bustcapl]

You'll have to wait one more year for it to come within the 30 year rule but when it does and you are serious you can PM me and i will look in to it.Its not my cup of tea to be honest but i have experience in this sort of thing and may be able to support a listing application and help you draw it up.

cheers for this longford ...... i dont think its alot of peoples cups of tea but it has a style so individual (and beautiful to me) that it deserves to be preserved it has become as synonmous with liverpool's waterfront in much the same way as the three graces have! :cheers:

[cambrian]

I think I echo most opinions when I say it is at its best lit up in the evening when it makes a stunning addition to the skyline,however during the day it is starting to look a bit grubby and i am not sure how easy it would be to clean.
On Baltimore's waterfront they have a green/blue glass building that looks very similar to our RSA building but not sure which one was built first.

We still have plenty of land for new developments before we need to replace existing buildings.
A site that i would like to see a sixty floor building is the waste land in front of moorfields station - ideal

[bustcapl]

I think I echo most opinions when I say it is at its best lit up in the evening when it makes a stunning addition to the skyline,however during the day it is starting to look a bit grubby and i am not sure how easy it would be to clean.
On Baltimore's waterfront they have a green/blue glass building that looks very similar to our RSA building but not sure which one was built first.

We still have plenty of land for new developments before we need to replace existing buildings.
A site that i would like to see a sixty floor building is the waste land in front of moorfields station - ideal


just a cheeky sixty floor building hey.... oh i love these new people... so naive.

Only joking would be great to see a bit of variation in the proposed heights of new buildings. Everything seems stuck between 20 and 30 stories as far as Liverpool is concerned ( beetham west excluded)

[cambrian]

Well if it has to be 59 so be it
but now councillor Bradley is on side who knows !

[bustcapl]

shame its still lady D on the planning comittee

[woody]

shame its still lady D on the planning comittee

Busty, she did vote in favour of Brunswick, it was other muppits :bash: on the planning committee that blocked her.

[bustcapl]

she should kick them all into shape, especially the married couple (how corrupt is that by the way??)

[scouserdave]

Sold two daytime pics of the building to Royal & SunAlliance a couple of weeks ago. One shot from City Lofts, the other from across the water. Apparently, they'll be in a Liverpool tourist guide. :cheers:

[crazy monster]

I think I echo most opinions when I say it is at its best lit up in the evening when it makes a stunning addition to the skyline,however during the day it is starting to look a bit grubby and i am not sure how easy it would be to clean.
On Baltimore's waterfront they have a green/blue glass building that looks very similar to our RSA building but not sure which one was built first.

We still have plenty of land for new developments before we need to replace existing buildings.
A site that i would like to see a sixty floor building is the waste land in front of moorfields station - ideal

I agree with you about a 60 storey tower on this waste land Cambrain, but lets face it, do believe this council has enough vision and ambition to allow such a development to go ahead? Plus it would affect the view of the Three Graces. The ideas great but the location would prevent such a tower of this height. However i believe the carpark in the business quarter could support such a building of this height. I mentioned afew days ago that a cluster of about four towers could be constructed on this site. It's huge! A 60, 50 45 and a 35 storey towers would change the skyline forever. For the best of course.

[crazy monster]

Sold two daytime pics of the building to Royal & SunAlliance a couple of weeks ago. One shot from City Lofts, the other from across the water. Apparently, they'll be in a Liverpool tourist guide. :cheers:

The R&SA will be in a tourist guide. NNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please tell me am dreaming! NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!1

[Pietari]

I agree with you about a 60 storey tower on this waste land Cambrain, but lets face it, do believe this council has enough vision and ambition to allow such a development to go ahead? Plus it would affect the view of the Three Graces. The ideas great but the location would prevent such a tower of this height. However i believe the carpark in the business quarter could support such a building of this height. I mentioned afew days ago that a cluster of about four towers could be constructed on this site. It's huge! A 60, 50 45 and a 35 storey towers would change the skyline forever. For the best of course.

Sightlines - planned or accidental do make a difference.

Get a nice clear sightline and talls shouldn`t be a problem in a cluster.

Sir Giles Gilbert Scott the architect of the Anglican Cathedral positively wanted buildings clustering around the cathederal so that it emerged as you go closer to it but was partly hidden during the approach - just like the `Middle Ages` but of course it did `tower above.`

Moving on however the `Icon Pier Head` needs a bit of visable space from the river (yes) and a few places from the city (yes) other than that, it`s a city and go wander wander and wonder.

:) :cheers:

[Steve C]

Doesn't the fact the RSA prompts so much debate, actually prove what an important building it is for Liverpool?

People either love it and really hate it. That's what buildings should do - make a real impact. Too many buildings these days are bland boxes which make no impact and they just go unnoticed, blending in with our bland 21st century city. It might not be to everyone's taste, but it's very unique and I can't think of many buildings which are like it either in design, materials or colour.

The RSA is a treasure as it's gets people talking! I'd back a campaign for it to be listed too chaps :cheers:

[JUXTAPOL]

Doesn't the fact the RSA prompts so much debate, actually prove what an important building it is for Liverpool?

People either love it and really hate it. That's what buildings should do - make a real impact. Too many buildings these days are bland boxes which make no impact and they just go unnoticed, blending in with our bland 21st century city. It might not be to everyone's taste, but it's very unique and I can't think of many buildings which are like it either in design, materials or colour.

The RSA is a treasure as it's gets people talking! I'd back a campaign for it to be listed too chaps :cheers:Me Too, I like it, especially at night. It just needs a makeover to improve the daytime effect, but mostly the lower level all around needs a high quality build, similar to N.Y. skyscrapers where the street level is quality polished marble/granite/glass/steel, and not ugly concrete.

It looks great here, very unique, that London spy headquarters is similar monolithic size/shape
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/4095/zrsafromprincessdock20ji.jpg

[jets9]

Not trying to wind anyone up here....no honestly! But give it another 40-50 years and I reckon that RSA will be recognised as one of the greatest 20th C british buildings. Quite surprised that even now it's not talked about more in these terms and certainly not more appreciated and promoted on the Liverpool tourist trail.

[Pietari]

Me Too, I like it, especially at night. It just needs a makeover to improve the daytime effect, but mostly the lower level all around needs a high quality build, similar to N.Y. skyscrapers where the street level is quality polished marble/granite/glass/steel, and not ugly concrete.

It looks great here, very unique, that London spy headquarters is similar monolithic size/shape
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/4095/zrsafromprincessdock20ji.jpg

That`s a good comparison actually Jux, it is a sort of `MI5` type HQ.

To me it says here I am and here I am staying......

Not for nothing is the Royal Liver Assurance and the Royal Insurance both in the `insurance - confidence` business.....unlike so many of their contempories.

The Liver Building and RSA both have that sense of pemanence and place.
(Bristol did have a `mini me` type Royal Insurance branch office building......)

We`ll have to send in Doug08 to get the plans!

[dups45]

it will be talked about becuase its so unique, but yes, it really does need a clean up or reclad of some sort!

[crazy monster]

it will be talked about becuase its so unique, but yes, it really does need a clean up or reclad of some sort!

Demolish it! Demolish it! Demolish it! Demolish it! Demolish it! Demolish it! :bash:

[Tony Sebo]

What! You crazy monster. RSA is a great building.

[Gareth]

What! You crazy monster. RSA is a great building.

Don't make him angry. You won't like him when he's angry.

[Martin S]

Just to the north of RSA, you have the Post and Echo car park with a railing round it. With the car park put underground, it would be a great development site with a frontage onto King Edward Street.

[Scarecrow]

Do you reckon such a site could support something akin to Holloway Circus Tower, with underground car parking? Is it large enough? Could builders access it easily enough? I'd love to see it go, but fear we'd have to get rid of the Echo and Met House first to get a plot large enough.

[woody]

Do you reckon such a site could support something akin to Holloway Circus Tower, with underground car parking? Is it large enough? Could builders access it easily enough? I'd love to see it go, but fear we'd have to get rid of the Echo and Met House first to get a plot large enough.

Pesky, if they can build a 40 storey tower on that tiny West Tower cabbage patch, they can build a tower anywhere. :okay:

[Scarecrow]

Maybe so :) but it's not just whether it's physically possible. You'd have to get it through planning and convince people it wouldn't cause major disruption. West Tower site is fortunate in that it is north of the side street (King Edward St?) junction, and only has traffic passing at a wide point in the road. It narrows after the junction and becomes more congested the closer you get to Atlantic Tower. Personally I'd love to see something tall here, possibly 35-45 storeys, but can't see it happening at the present time. :(

[Tony Sebo]

Do you reckon such a site could support something akin to Holloway Circus Tower, with underground car parking? Is it large enough? Could builders access it easily enough? I'd love to see it go, but fear we'd have to get rid of the Echo and Met House first to get a plot large enough.

Not to pick on you bunnyman ( I wouldn't dare).. lots of people have said similar things about 'site resriction' etc as a barrier to development. They don't have such problems in other cities, from NYC to some obscure chinese city. Hurdles for sure... but not complete barriers. If it came to the crunch, in order to get a building on the site, if it needed it I would say shut the strand down for 18 months!

No site is too small or too restricted not to be considered.. well, you know what I mean!

[Pietari]

Whist I do agree that the RSA and LPD&E sites are F A B U L O U S places for speculative redevelopment can`t we please just concentrate on brownfield sites that are currently vacant disused and abandonded.

Do we need a list?

[Bachy Soletanche]

Some more about the North Liverpool academy at:

http://www.northliverpoolacademy.co.uk/sixthform/index2.html

Then the "Academy Building" link. I hate flash websites.

[crazy monster]

What! You crazy monster. RSA is a great building.

Hi Sebo,

I like the design of the R&SA building but i believe that the site could be used for a tall building which would significantly contribute to already changing skyline. You must agree that if Downing proposed two tall buildings that this would be far more appropriate given it is emerging tall building area. I don't want to see great examples of architecture being torn down. It isn't like the Royal Liver building. If Downing want to restore it, then fine.

[crazy monster]

Don't make him angry. You won't like him when he's angry.

Hi Gareth,

Don't worry am a changed man! :)

[Scarecrow]

Crazy Monster has had the surgery! :D

[Tony Sebo]

Hi Sebo,

I like the design of the R&SA building but i believe that the site could be used for a tall building which would significantly contribute to already changing skyline. You must agree that if Downing proposed two tall buildings that this would be far more appropriate given it is emerging tall building area. I don't want to see great examples of architecture being torn down. It isn't like the Royal Liver building. If Downing want to restore it, then fine.

Aye, you're right crazy monster. I think the building is a great one, but if a couple that where obviousley vastly superior were proposed I'd jump in the wrecking ball thingy meself!

[kung_fuzi]

Martin.
Just noticed,this thread was born on May 30th 2005.
Happy first birthday. :cheers:

[crazy monster]

Crazy Monster has had the surgery! :D

Hi Bunnyman,

I can assure you i haven't had surgery! Although my face could do with some! Why do you think my names Crazy Monster? RRRRRRROOOOOOOOAAAAAARRRRR!!!!!!!!!!

[bustcapl]

Hi Bunnyman,

I can assure you i haven't had surgery! Although my face could do with some! Why do you think my names Crazy Monster? RRRRRRROOOOOOOOAAAAAARRRRR!!!!!!!!!!

You arse hole, grow up! :weirdo:

[McGrath]

Christ, I didn't know where to start here. So many threads to choose from.
Anyway, I thought I'd start here as I recognised Martin's name from the old Downtown site. Some tremendous pics here.

My dad, an original downtowner from Shaw St, has been confined to his house in the 'burbs for a little while, but I'm takling him out on a tour of all the new developments soon. He won't know what's hit him.

[T0M]

Hi McGrath, weclome to the SSC forum! (I used to post on the downtown forum as Spider and I'm sure there are a few others knocking around here that you'll know - including old Sebo of course).

It's a bit overwhelming, but what a good sign that is! It's all happening here.

Look forward to your posts.

Tom

[Paul D]

Hello Mr McGrath make yourself at home. :)

[McGrath]

Thanks Paul, cup of tea would be great 'n all. :/

Looking out from my office in Salford Quays, Manc Beetham is making that skyline a lot more impressive. However, even without the renderings of future projects, there's a long way to go before it can match the uninentional symmetry of Liverpool.

[Paul D]

Thanks Paul, cup of tea would be great 'n all. :/

Looking out from my office in Salford Quays, Manc Beetham is making that skyline a lot more impressive. However, even without the renderings of future projects, there's a long way to go before it can match the uninentional symmetry of Liverpool.

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4032/riverfrontpano29pt6gx.jpg

This is going to hard to better if you ask me I never get sick at looking at this render.

[Pietari]

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4032/riverfrontpano29pt6gx.jpg

This is going to hard to better if you ask me I never get sick at looking at this render.

This is a great render Paul,

Something I must say though is that the `tallandslenders` do not have the `bulk` of the likes of the RSA, Liver Building, Cunard Building or POL, they almost seem like anchors, "we aint budgin`"......

Part of that, I think, also makes the skyline look more interesting when you add the Cathedrals, Albert Dock etc.

It`s not at all over untill the fat ladies sing and I`m sure we can russtle up a fairly hefty choir in the not too distant future.....a bit more tall with a bit more beef.....

[Pietari]

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=17215226%26method=full%26siteid=50061%26headline=architects%2dreturn%2dto%2dthe%2dcity%2dthey%2dhelped%2dcreate-name_page.html

Architects return to the city they helped create Jun 12 2006

By Adrian Butler Daily Post Staff

BETWEEN them they have helped design city landmarks like Albert Dock's redevelopment, the Atlantic Tower Hotel and the Garden Festival site.

Last week a group of Liverpool-trained architects were reunited, 50 years after graduating.

The University of Liverpool School of Architecture's class of 1956 returned to the city where they trained, spending a day looking around the modern city many of them helped build.

"A lot of them were keen to come back to Liverpool because they had heard so much about how the city was changing," said Victor Basil.

"They were delighted to come back, and I made the point of showing them what is happening here."

The 72-year-old has spent the past 18 months organising the reunion.

In that time he managed to contact around 70 graduates and staff from that era, including 11 who live abroad. Several of the class of 1956 went into academia, with six appointed professors.

After graduating Mr Basil joined Holford Associates (now Aedas Architects) in Liverpool and became a partner in 1967.

He was responsible for several major developments here before opening the practice's Manchester office in 1986.

Amongst his local buildings are the Atlantic Tower Hotel, St Nicolas House and the refurbishment of the Liverpool Racquets Club.

With his partner John Pickles, who also attended the reunion, he was responsible for the Master Plan and the restoration of the Liverpool Albert Dock which was awarded the European Conservation Award on completion.

"I think that development recognised the importance of the view over the Mersey in the 1970s, at a time when people in Liverpool never really saw the water."

Also attending was Ron Hancock, who designed the atrium of the Exchange building, and John Mayson Whalley who designed the landscape for Liverpool's Garden Festival site.

Founded in 1895, the school's famous graduates include James Stirling, who designed Tate Liverpool.

On Thursday afternoon the group were special guests at the School of Architecture's presentation of thesis and work.

adrianbutler@liverpool.com

[westisbest]

Been around town, sorry about the quality, N91 phone (2MP)
gloomy weather, new erection for paradise:)
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8398/130620060mj.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4918/130620060014da.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1575/130620060021ye.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/3585/130620060032jr.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2573/130620060053ne.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9349/130620060063nj.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5180/130620060070qw.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5185/130620060086jr.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5839/130620060099fv.jpg
Im lazy, ill post the other 20+ after togo v S korea

[westisbest]

General update (sorry no pics) Unity crane is coming down today, tommorow as a mobile has moved in, Beetham crane is gettin raised as it is now connected to the service core, an orange brase is covering the crane at the top and 3 red cran sections are lying on site, there are also 2 large mobiles on the apt site near the Chung Ku and jaguar house, not BQ

[Red scouser]

Liverpool Vision Development Update, Issue 14 is now available
http://www.liverpoolvision.co.uk/DevUpdate14.pdf

Martin, any updates planned to your excellent development summary in the near future?

[westisbest]

the picture on that second to last image on the PDF is stunning, if it was a recent one it would be better

[Martin S]

Liverpool Vision Development Update, Issue 14 is now available
http://www.liverpoolvision.co.uk/DevUpdate14.pdf

Martin, any updates planned to your excellent development summary in the near future?

Thanks for posting the Liverpool Vision Link Red. Yes, the development summary is long overdue for an update - just got to find the time to do it.

[Blabbernsmoke]

Thanks for the link Red. It's great to read that Bruntwood have bought and plan to restore the Grade I listed Oriel Chambers. :cheers:

Hopefully a firm like this will purchase and restore the Royal Insurance Building.

[Pietari]

Thanks for the link Red. It's great to read that Bruntwood have bought and plan to restore the Grade I listed Oriel Chambers. :cheers:

Hopefully a firm like this will purchase and restore the Royal Insurance Building.

Let`s hope so - we can`t go into `Capital of Culture` year with that building still not being renovated.....it`s a crime against architecture and the city to see that building decay, same as the `White Star Building` (Albion House.)

EH-Nore EH-Nore EH-Nore - Donkeys.

[Scarecrow]

I'd sooner the Royal Insurance building was razed to the ground than acquired by Bruntwood. They got lucky with the JM Centre. it is the only building in their portfolio they haven't ruined with their 'refurbishments'. Look at the City Tower and Portland Tower in Manc to see handiwork truer to their form.

I certainly wouldn't want a black and yellow painted Royal with blacked out windows and a hideous neon sign, would you? :?

[richie1878]

Looking forward to the update Martin.

[westisbest]

I think we should have done to the strand, what Dubai did to the Sheik Zied Road, check out the dubai thread to see what i mean

[JUXTAPOL]

Noticed some steelwork of about 4 storeys on the large site fronting Leeds St in between the Reach and the RoadRange Garage. Any ideas what this is...!

[Pietari]

I'd sooner the Royal Insurance building was razed to the ground than acquired by Bruntwood. They got lucky with the JM Centre. it is the only building in their portfolio they haven't ruined with their 'refurbishments'. Look at the City Tower and Portland Tower in Manc to see handiwork truer to their form.

I certainly wouldn't want a black and yellow painted Royal with blacked out windows and a hideous neon sign, would you? :?

Hmmm, Bunnyman you might have a point but surely EH would step in and protect the `Oriel` wouldn`t it if the plans were out of keeping? :runaway:

[kung_fuzi]

The Beetham webcams seem to be stuck on 0820am.

Posted on wrong thread,will repost on Beetham.

[westisbest]

Will be posting pics up a buit later from my walk about today. I spotted a bloke on the site of Half Tide Dock and i asked him what was planned for there, he said he wasn't sure but he gave good feedback on the King Eddie tower ststing that talks had gone very well between the developers and EH, LCC. as for Costco and TrU it looks as if they are going soon with more apts on the way, no mention of height

[Paul D]

Nice one Westy lets hope the fella you were talking to knows what he's on about. :)

[westisbest]

he look like he had some sort of authority, time will tell

[JUXTAPOL]

Will be posting pics up a buit later from my walk about today. I spotted a bloke on the site of Half Tide Dock and i asked him what was planned for there, he said he wasn't sure but he gave good feedback on the King Eddie tower ststing that talks had gone very well between the developers and EH, LCC. as for Costco and TrU it looks as if they are going soon with more apts on the way, no mention of height
Sounds promising, hope he's not just a megalomaniac security guard, whith delusions of being a big gun property developer. :scouserd:

By the way, i have loaded your Beetham west model into it's rightful place in Liverpool on Google earth. It is superb to fly through and around. :cheers:

Pity there are not many other models yet to add to the map. Maybe the idea is that every one on the internet contributes, until most buildings are available. I had a go at adding the Chrysler building on "New world Sq" to give yours some company, was impressive.

[westisbest]

is that the model i have on google warehouse

[JUXTAPOL]

is that the model i have on google warehouse
Yes it is.

I know yours isn't complete yet, but thought i would see how it looks any way, and it is amazing to zip up and down and around the model of a Liverpool building. There are many other good world wide models on there also.

[westisbest]

cheers

[westisbest]

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/beethamwest/36cc76ae.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/beethamwest/a15ac111.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/beethamwest/62ac7b6d.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/beethamwest/05e97fce.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/beethamwest/PHOT0004.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/beethamwest/26d09a57.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/beethamwest/PHOT0001-1.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/beethamwest/PHOT0002.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/beethamwest/PHOT0005.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/beethamwest/PHOT0006.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/beethamwest/PHOT0007.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/beethamwest/PHOT0008.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/beethamwest/PHOT0009-1.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/beethamwest/PHOT0010.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/beethamwest/PHOT0012.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/beethamwest/PHOT0013-1.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/beethamwest/PHOT0014.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/beethamwest/PHOT0015.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/beethamwest/PHOT0016.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/beethamwest/PHOT0017.jpg

[Scarecrow]

Nice pics Westie, especially the velour trousers. :)

[Pietari]

Great over view of the CBD area Westi, yet more proof should any be required that there is an urgent need to focus on transport into and out of and around the part of the city.

[wiki]

beautiful towers in liverpool

[westisbest]

We don't have big like Dubai but we are proud of our skyline

[Tony Sebo]

though we should have, as we have had the opportunity to do them!!!!

[bustcapl]

on the mass of photos posted if you look at the 6th one up from the bottom have any of you seen the one of the poor young lady struggling with a great weight as a young man watches idly?

Where has all the manners gone!

[T0M]

on the mass of photos posted if you look at the 6th one up from the bottom have any of you seen the one of the poor young lady struggling with a great weight as a young man watches idly?

Where has all the manners gone!

He was probably too busy eyeing up her velour trousers! :nuts:

[scouseyuppie01]

Liverpool Development summary Nov 2006

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToXrpUB2l4Y

[woody]

Liverpool Development summary Nov 2006

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToXrpUB2l4Y


scousey, bloody good film, many congratulations on a very impressive and positive look at the NEW Liverpool.

[Paul D]

They're superb well done Yupster.:cheers:

[Tony Sebo]

Well done scouse!!!!

[DJ Billy]

Class!

[scouseyuppie01]

thanks guys, i will keep it up then.....:cheers:

[Doug Roberts]

Yuppie, both films are fantastic and l love the soundtracks, only 1 comment for the longer film I think you should've included Everton on an equal timing with the Reds footage, other than that brilliant well done!!!

[Doug Roberts]

double post.

[Paul D]

City to help pioneer the country's wi-fi revolution


A WIRELESS revolution that will enable cameras to zoom in on crime and anti-social behaviour hotspots is to be given the go-ahead in Liverpool this week.

Telecom giant BT has named the city to take part in a pilot scheme that will allow people to use hand-held computers and laptops anywhere in the city centre.

Last night the city council's executive member for central services Councillor Richard Marbrow said it would also help improve security in the city.

He said: "This really will put Liverpool at the forefront of wireless technology.

"It will enable people in the city centre to access computers without the need for any wires, but it also offers much more.

"Because the system will be wireless we will be able to install CCTV cameras instantly and have them up and running quickly.


"It will enable us to monitor emergency road works, or hot spots for crime and anti-social behaviour, gathering video evidence.


"Initially the system will start in the city centre but we want to see it spread across the city, particularly to north Liverpool where there will be a lot of regeneration work."


Hundreds of wi-fi devices will be hidden in street furniture, with BT paying the millions of pounds needed to cover a wide area of central Liverpool.


The city council will earn thousands from the annual rent BT will pay for the use of council owned property, such as lampposts.

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpooldailypost/news/regionalnews/tm_headline=city-to-help-pioneer-the-country%2Ds-wi%2Dfi-revolution%26method=full%26objectid=18086960%26page=2%26siteid=50061-name_page.html

[ND]

Scouse Yuppie, just watched your films. They were wonderful and have cheered me up after Minister Kelly's daft decision. Cheers

[scouseyuppie01]

thanks.......im hoping to keep improving those vids, and making them accessible in as many places as possible, LIVERPOOL NEEDS A PROMOTIONAL MACHINE! positive media, from any means possible, im convinced that without it, all the new buildings in the world wont make a difference.......:cheers:

[Liverpool8]

thanks.......im hoping to keep improving those vids, and making them accessible in as many places as possible, LIVERPOOL NEEDS A PROMOTIONAL MACHINE! positive media, from any means possible, im convinced that without it, all the new buildings in the world wont make a difference.......:cheers:

Interesting post. I guess it depends on what you mean by making a difference.

My experience is that the city is changing beyond recognition in some parts, even the area I live in is changing fast. It's different. Liverpool does get a lot of positive media although in a currency that might not mean much to the 15 - 20 regulars who post on this site. Whisper it - I'm talking about WHS and CoC. Odd though it may seem, other people do seem to see these as indicators of difference and as positive representations of the city

Probably everyone who posts here has his or her own vision of a different, better Liverpool. If you are talking about accolades from outsiders about our modern architecture then maybe you might need to steal yourself for the occasional disappointment. I have just read the proposed festival gardens brochure kindly posted by bammy. It draws heavily on narratives about decline and depopulation as well as providing the usual upbeat photos of resurgent Lpool (I guess the developers don't want to put people off!)

There are lots of exisiting websites that present an upbeat image of Liverpool. Why not just develop your own targeted website, featuring your own vids and invite others to submit theirs? I'm sure if anyone can set one up in a few hours you can.

[thudbucket]

Hello Martin S, what has happened to the excellent development summary? I'm unable to visit too often, so pardon the ignorance!

[westisbest]

Don't know if anyoneelse has seen it but the crane on the 11 story site in brunswick is pretty tall, more than i thought it would have been

[Paul D]

Don't know if anyoneelse has seen it but the crane on the 11 story site in brunswick is pretty tall, more than i thought it would have been

Is that the Colombus Quay development? I'm sure that's going to be 15 stories.

[westisbest]

15 sounds better, i might have been thinking of the big bulky 11 story near leeds street, pinwheel??

[JUXTAPOL]

Don't know if anyoneelse has seen it but the crane on the 11 story site in brunswick is pretty tall, more than i thought it would have been

I did notice that the other day, quite a tall sight in that area.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1631/zbrunswikdockcranessa8.jpg

[scouseyuppie01]

Liverpool Development summary dec 2006

Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnPl5CwA6qU

[westisbest]

Erm what is all that to the left of the skyline 1 minute in, self creation?

[scouseyuppie01]

just some imagination...........it could be argued alot of the proposals are imagination if the planners get their way........

[woody]

Erm what is all that to the left of the skyline 1 minute in, self creation?

Silly boy, thats a self erection:lol: :lol:

Yups, excellent very enjoyable, makes the mouth water on what we can expect in the coming year. Thank you

[Gazzab]

Liverpool Development summary dec 2006

Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnPl5CwA6qU

Nice one SY. What's the expansion planned for the underground as seen in the development summary?

[Craigie_Mann]

Very good but u got me all excited with the massive towers to the left .............. was like hhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm how'd i miss that!

Bad boy! nah good stuff!!

[scouseyuppie01]

thanks guys. the bit about the underground is the planned refurbishment and extension/electrification into wales and towards preston. As well as the planned reopening of lines around bootle and the Olive mount cord which could open up passenger services in that direction. Its a project over a long period but so is wirral waters and LJLA so thought i would mention it in there anyway.:cheers:

[scouseyuppie01]

thanks guys. the bit about the underground is the planned refurbishment and extension/electrification into wales and towards preston. As well as the planned reopening of lines around bootle and the Olive mount cord which could open up passenger services in that direction. Its a project over a long period but so is wirral waters and LJLA so thought i would mention it in there anyway.:cheers:

[Megga]

hey what song did you use in that summary, exellent vids.

[scouseyuppie01]

its beyonce: ring the alarm (freemasons mix) just thought id use something a little more lively this time....... :)

[JUXTAPOL]

just some imagination...........it could be argued alot of the proposals are imagination if the planners get their way........

Very enjoyable videos there S.Y. :banana:

Is that one for the Cotton exchange an actual proposal or one of your own ideas.

[scouseyuppie01]

the cotton exchange was something i found at work. As some of u probs already are aware, alot of proposals are mothballed due to planners and developers changing their minds or putting things on hold, thought it was interesting to include......its a real proposal though.:cheers:

[Tony Sebo]

Excellent stuff there Scouse....


The only piece of advice I could give, and this is for all... be careful with the pictures you take. If you want to show a busy city then pictures of empty airport concourses and underground platforms just gives the wrong impression.

You have to dress these shots. You cannot coreorgraph them (as the BBC did in Manc during the Commonwealth Games) but you have to wait for the right moment if you are going to use them publicly?


Packed sidewalks and areas give the impression of cool and bustle... no matter how shist the surrounding buildings... glorious shots of iconic architecture in settings devoid of life only have one tale to tell!

[Gazzab]

thanks guys. the bit about the underground is the planned refurbishment and extension/electrification into wales and towards preston. As well as the planned reopening of lines around bootle and the Olive mount cord which could open up passenger services in that direction. Its a project over a long period but so is wirral waters and LJLA so thought i would mention it in there anyway.:cheers:

Thanks for the feedback SY :cheers:

[scouseyuppie01]

Good point Tony. I did notice that myself watching it back a few times. The trouble is each time ive been around certain places, like the underground stations, it is during a quiet time of the day lol

learnt a few new tricks anyway to animate these vids over christmas so the next one should be a little more interesting...........:cheers: