Liverpool Development Summary 2

[Tony Sebo]

LOL! - I know what you mean... I have had some crackers spoilt when looking at pics later on.

Lunchtimes for our commercial streets is a good one.. as is the morning or end of business rush hours for things like trains and buses... it is masking an uncomfortable reality... but to portray a message the pic first has to state it!

[JUXTAPOL]

One Of the Reach Today. (bloody van just sneaked in to ruin a nice clean full shot :bash: ).

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/282/zthereach8ha.jpg

[thudbucket]

Sorry, guys, I've been out of the loop for some weeks, can anyone tell me what happened to the excellent Development Summary - it doesn't seem to have been updated for some time. All responses most welcome.:cheers:

[Martin S]

Hi Thudbucket. I added some new renders (Princes 3A and the King Edward Tower) last week. But I see what you mean. The thing needs a good overhaul. I'll let you know when the next major update is complete.

[thudbucket]

Hi Martin,

Thanks for the post. No criticism intended, you do a fine job - it was the "update date" at the end of the post that set me wondering. Thanks again.:cheers:

[Martin S]

Hi Martin,

Thanks for the post. No criticism intended, you do a fine job - it was the "update date" at the end of the post that set me wondering. Thanks again.:cheers:

No, I had no objection to your post. The summary definitely needed updating. I am working on it now and have added a lot of more up to date renders and deleted completed or cancelled jobs. Some more work still to do but it is coming along now.

[scouseyuppie01]

Hi Thudbucket. I added some new renders (Princes 3A and the King Edward Tower) last week. But I see what you mean. The thing needs a good overhaul. I'll let you know when the next major update is complete.

let me know if you need any images for certain projects.........i should have plenty of snaps and ive got some images from work. :)

[Martin S]

let me know if you need any images for certain projects.........i should have plenty of snaps and ive got some images from work. :)

Thanks Yuppie. One render you showed in your presentation at the Central Library was the latest proposal for the Vermont site. Is it true that has been scaled down again from the 22 storey version I have posted on the development summary?

[westisbest]

No 22 is correct, 68M

[scouseyuppie01]

yep............typical......im sure no one will object to these being used......critical review/non profit etc etc

[Martin S]

Thanks very much Yuppie. Glad to see it hasn't been scaled down although the design has been changed from the one that I posted previously. i.e.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/DevelopmentSummary/VermontTower4.jpg

[eyeam]

The new design of the tower is a lot nicer imo

Although I was happy with any significant development in that location I was never really taken with the previous incarnation

[Paul D]

The new design of the tower is a lot nicer imo

Although I was happy with any significant development in that location I was never really taken with the previous incarnation


I agree a big improvement.:)

[dups45]

Wat are you guys on? The old tower, with the series of boxes on top, was far nicer

[woody]

Wat are you guys on? The old tower, with the series of boxes on top, was far nicer

dups45 your on your own on this one:lol: the revised scheme is much improved over the original tower that looked "top heavy"

[woody]

Martin, you have done a great job in updating your excellent Development Summary, sorry to be picky, but you missed off the 16 storey block on the Kings Waterfront, phase one consists of 1 x 23, 1 x 16 1 x 8.

[scouseyuppie01]

its very similar to the the L3 development..........if you compare images:lol:

[T0M]

Great job on the update Martin! I've put a few renders on the 'developments outside the city centre' of a few projects in Wavertree and one in Runcorn which could be added to the summary - plus if you need any photos of finished projects let me know.

[thudbucket]

let me know if you need any images for certain projects.........i should have plenty of snaps and ive got some images from work. :)

Martin, you'll be flooded with offers! Like Scouseyuppie, I've plenty of pics taken over the last four years, particularly of Liverpool1, which you're welcome to.:cheers:

[1878EFC]

great update martin

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/599/l104ds8.jpg

on this picture does anybody know what the bubble thing is on chavasse park?

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/7913/l103fm0.jpg

and also what that circle thing is the fella is walking on

[T0M]

The bubble thing is some sort of semi-enclosed seating/outdoor arena area... vague huh?

I think the glass circle is effectively a skylight for the underground carpark, which they're going to turn into some sort of feature. Probably most useful for scallies looking up ladies skirts.. not that that would ever occur to me... :naughty:

It's good to see how the new crossing is going to work - not a massive redevelopment in itself, but I like the way there's a straight line leading from the entrance to John Lewis right the way down to the crossing - hopefully increasing predestrian trafic to the Albert Dock and actually making it a viable commerical area. I'm also pleased to note that on the first render the height of the Pelli building is accurate at 17 storeys, gives you an idea of just how impressive this is going to look from ground level!

[1878EFC]

cheers tom

[buggedboy]

The bubble is one of the pavilions in the park and the glass circle in the other pic does look like the skylight of the car park. If you look at the webcam on the PSDA website, you can see it poking out of the development.

I belive the pavilions are to be performance spaces etc, but I seem to remember mentino of possible restaurants etc. Should be pretty tidy to be honest.

[T0M]

Unless they just turn into the latest Goth/skater/scallie venue.. god I'm gettin old..

[westisbest]

a 23 story development at 71m in Bootle, Stanley road/Balliol road (right next to my college. i will have access to this building, as the company i work for is the company who have planned it, Haslam Homes. it's called Connolly House and is looking like getting PP

Here are 2 renders from the office, please note i took them with my phone off the boards we produce with all our houses etc
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/6874/0206110501cp8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/624/0206110515ne9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Awayo]

^^Wholesome. I'm sticking to my opinion that Bootle can still be saved. Check this out, if house prices in Little Altcar hadn't have been cheaper than those on Southport Road in Bootle (where my mum and dad originally wanted to buy their first home), I'd have grown up in Bootle rather than Formby. Hell, might have worked out okay, maybe.

Any movement on the Stella Maris site, Westie?

[westisbest]

Not that i know of, Bramall Cons and Haslam have a lot of work going on in Bootle, esp near Hugh Baird college, there's still so much work needs doing, i mean near the strand is awful!

[Paul D]

That's alright for Bootle isn't it? I'll use that for the development summary on yoliverpool if it's alright with you Westie.

[scouseyuppie01]

and so it begins..........i knew this would happen, how long before all the developers think right, liverpool is down the road for your cultural offering, but bootle is cheaper and easier, in terms of heritage, to build in and its well connected, so f**k liverpool, build in bootle...........bit like salford quays, and it will serve Liverpool right..good luck bootle!:nuts: :lol:

[richie1878]

Have they banged in an application for this yet westi?

[richie1878]

Also, in the picture at the top of the page, the Hilton is to the right of the Pelli building (near the bus station I guess), were as on another thread (think it was the Liverpool 1 one), it is said the Hilton is actually part of the Pelli design?

Which is right?

[b4mmy]

Also, in the picture at the top of the page, the Hilton is to the right of the Pelli building (near the bus station I guess), were as on another thread (think it was the Liverpool 1 one), it is said the Hilton is actually part of the Pelli design?

Which is right?

The hotel is in the correct position... :)

[richie1878]

muchos gracias Bammy

[westisbest]

Application has been submitted some time ago, i am unsure when the decision is to be annonced but it is recommended for Approval

[richie1878]

Let's hope so, maybe Sefton council will welcome the investment with open arms??

[1878EFC]

is that building with the american eagle on the front sorry cant remember the name definetly getting demolished, if so they should use the eagle and other things from the building for the interior of the american apparel shop

[T0M]

is that building with the american eagle on the front sorry cant remember the name definetly getting demolished, if so they should use the eagle and other things from the building for the interior of the american apparel shop

Yes, the pub is staying!

From the Liverpool One website: 'The frontage of the Paradise Street pub to be rebuilt whilst retaining some original facade features and compatible scale. Other improvements include well mannered facades along Hanover Street combined with exciting side wall treatments.'

I've crudely marked it on this picture, which also clearly shows where the Hilton will be (also marked) and the Pelli buildings..

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7094/imagefd1yl4.jpg

The picture also shows just how paltry the Dolls house is going to look in comparison to the rest of the scheme, but what it also shows is that the mamoth structure that is the crown courts, don't actually look all that bad when they're part of similarily massed scheme... and with a bit of a reclad (like the RSI) could actually fit right in (never thought I'd say that). What it also shows though is that short of a fantastic redevelopment, the Police station has to go!

[1878EFC]

i think a similar development to pelli would be good on the halifax dolls house place, good news about the paradise street pub has lots of history used to be the american consul or something. also my aunty works in that police headq so if any news about it moving i will post it

[scouseyuppie01]

Some visualisation work i ran up yesterday, this is were the chieftan scheme is up to

had to pull the image im afraid, its being changed again!

[T0M]

Interesting tie-in with Grand Central, would put a much nicer face on the whole thing... I guess once we've accepted that there won't be a tower here, this is about what we can hope for. Would have liked something more rounded to compliment the new Lime St tower though...

[scouseyuppie01]

Well the planners have gone back and forth, changed their minds and chiseled this design, at least in massing, to its current form

It is a smart design in its own right, but prefered the taller designs:ohno: :nuts:

[buggedboy]

So is this your interpretation of the design or the actual project render?

You can never tell these days, cos your too bloody good at em.

[scouseyuppie01]

So is this your interpretation of the design or the actual project render?

You can never tell these days, cos your too bloody good at em.


No this isnt my design, this is the work of one of the directors here, well, the elevations and plans. I have simply worked that up to a 3D model and then rendered it a little and put into context. It took a while, and ive got a banging headache from squinting at the screen for the detailed bits, but its worth it.

This will feature in planning reports etc, so its as close as your gonna get. :)

yes, it is quite good isnt it :lol: :)

[Paul D]

I like it I'm all for this one and it should sail through planning.

[T0M]

The massing is good and it fits well with the existing scheme (smartening up a bit). I'm always surprised at how many places you can see Grand Central from around the city, and this will help bulk out that area.

As for more towers that side of town, no need to dispair just yet, here's a quick look at some of the potential sites which should be developed soon, most of which are either derelict land or carparks! And that's before they start thinking about taking out some of the crappy lowrise housing up Brownlow Hill

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/8104/image2xm0.jpg

[the golden vision]

The massing is good and it fits well with the existing scheme (smartening up a bit). I'm always surprised at how many places you can see Grand Central from around the city, and this will help bulk out that area.

As for more towers that side of town, no need to dispair just yet, here's a quick look at some of the potential sites which should be developed soon, most of which are either derelict land or carparks! And that's before they start thinking about taking out some of the crappy lowrise housing up Brownlow Hill

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/8104/image2xm0.jpg

Tom, i don't think they'll receive planning for talls on Seymour st.Firstly,the Georgian terrace and secondly,the low rise residential stuff.Just further up in Islington could be a potential site, a couple of really tall ones would sit nicely there.

[Pietari]

Tom, the areas you have selected must have huge potential for added regeneration and IMHO the city would be absolute fools not to recogonise the same future potential which would be massive even as an understatement.

[Pietari]

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7094/imagefd1yl4.jpg



Looks good doesn`t it!

I`m so obviously behind the times as I didn`t know that `Hilton` had been finally confirmed as the hotel operator for L1, without a shadow of a doubt it will have to have one of it`s best locations and they are going to want it to work for its money. :cheers:

[T0M]

Tom, i don't think they'll receive planning for talls on Seymour st.Firstly,the Georgian terrace and secondly,the low rise residential stuff.Just further up in Islington could be a potential site, a couple of really tall ones would sit nicely there.

I take your point re Seymour St.. I just got a bit trigger happy with the old magic marker.... but it certainly needs some sort of development, even if it's into a decent urban parkland space... although it sits between a main road.

The best sites there in my opinion are the two car parks behind Lime St and the Royal Mail office and the wasteland down Brownlow hill... why the hell these haven't been developed yet I have no idea..

[dups45]

Arn't the sites to the top of that picture earmarked for the expansion of limestreet?

Also the odeon site should be given some consideration as this will be moving into the centre of town as part of L1

It would be good if they expanded the station to this area, it would force the offices there to move out into the CBD into the unoccupied floor space there, and would allow us to expand the station, that is of course if network rail think there is a "business case"

[woody]

I take your point re Seymour St.. I just got a bit trigger happy with the old magic marker.... but it certainly needs some sort of development, even if it's into a decent urban parkland space... although it sits between a main road...

Tom, the top tringular site Seymour St / Vincent St ,received planning approval back in Sept. 2006 for a mixed use development comprising 73 1 + 2 bed apartments with ground floor Retail/office/ restaurants/bars. all within a part 4-5-6-8 storey block

[thudbucket]

Martin D., Many thanks for an excellent update!

[Villiers Terrace]

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/599/l104ds8.jpg


Don't know, I just find this "opening" to the PSD very difficult.

You've an bland but ok Pelli pile set against an bland but ok Hilton, no real problem there I suppose, it's just that together, separated by that gap for the park they just don't...meld?

The way the Hilton doesn't quite meet the road, the way the Pelli makes that stark angle towards the top emphasizing an unresolved and awkward looking height mismatch between the two, then the empty space oln the Strand for the park.....to me, you wouldn't design that if you were just one architect who could knit it all together. Maybe it's the disconnecting expanse of the motorway as well, but it seems a bit of an inelegant potch, at least in lifeless render form.

Don't mean to be down on the project here, quite the opposite in fact ,and looking forward very much to seeing the reality, just as a composition it doesn't really work.

[Villiers Terrace]

Ok I got it...

1.it's missing height over by Debenhams way
2.needs "closing" with some buildings rather than the motorway i.e. the Albert Dock side of the Strand carriageway needs to go.

I wasthinking 'arch' or something between the two hotels and a 5deg. tilt clockwise but maybe it's just 1. and 2.

[Yapachoo]

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/599/l104ds8.jpg


Wouldn't the Radio City tower look brilliant from that vantage point if it had an overhaul! Say aluminium like cladding, fins down the tower, an enlarged or perhaps secondary 'pod' structure and a huge spire.....:cheers:

[Villiers Terrace]

Wouldn't the Radio City tower look brilliant from that vantage point if it had an overhaul! Say aluminium like cladding, fins down the tower, an enlarged or perhaps secondary 'pod' structure and a huge spire.....:cheers:

Yeah like the Berlin thing I've been up in. I actually like our Beacon mind. We need a few more though.

Let's just build an exact Chrysler copy at the junction of Lord St/ Church St.

Back to the design of that space up there, it just looks as if someone needs to put a giant spindle through the centre of Chavasse and rotate it, and it's hotels aropund 5/7 degrees clockwise to meet The Strand properly.

[T0M]

Wouldn't the Radio City tower look brilliant from that vantage point if it had an overhaul! Say aluminium like cladding, fins down the tower, an enlarged or perhaps secondary 'pod' structure and a huge spire.....:cheers:

Don't forget we're going to have an equally tall Lime St Gateway tower smack bang in the middle of that picture soon! But yes, the Beacon needs a face lift, I'd love to see a huge spire, pity they didn't do that instead of the wrap around ariel structure... could still happen though!

[Villiers Terrace]

Don't forget we're going to have an equally tall Lime St Gateway tower smack bang in the middle of that picture soon! But yes, the Beacon needs a face lift, I'd love to see a huge spire, pity they didn't do that instead of the wrap around ariel structure... could still happen though!

Aye, that park needs some skyline-altering tourist-magnet viewing-tower on it....

[dups45]

wont we see some of central village from here aswell?

[T0M]

wont we see some of central village from here aswell?

I'm not sure if you would from that exact vantage point - but if you move left slightly then yes. Central Village will be visible from most of the new park.

[Prestonian]

First time i've been through this thread all in one for ages and its really quite staggering the amount of stuff going on. It looks like liverpool is going to have some amazing places, mixing new with old really successfully. Love the Central station render on the first page with the water feature, looks amazing!

[1878EFC]

First time i've been through this thread all in one for ages and its really quite staggering the amount of stuff going on. It looks like liverpool is going to have some amazing places, mixing new with old really successfully. Love the Central station render on the first page with the water feature, looks amazing!

cheers big ears:)

[JUXTAPOL]

How good will this shot be when Beetham West/Pelli/Kingston House/ are all complete.

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/6558/zbeethamunitypellidy6.jpg

[ScouseScraper]

Are there any updates on Princess Dock 3A?

There are a few latest comments or approvals, alterations missing of this Development Summary!

Liverpool Waters
Individual Buildings in city centre
Brunswick latest
Airport expansion?
King eddy tower?
cheiftain newest 15 storie tower ive heard?

Any news, i need to know for my work!

Thankyou

SS

[woody]

Are there any updates on Princess Dock 3A? Any news, i need to know for my work!

Check the PD 3a THREAD, the agenda for the next Planning Committee meeting will be posted on the Council web site next Tuesday. It may come up then but a scheme as big as this could well take longer to get through the system.

[Martin S]

Are there any updates on Princess Dock 3A?

There are a few latest comments or approvals, alterations missing of this Development Summary!

Liverpool Waters
Individual Buildings in city centre
Brunswick latest
Airport expansion?
King eddy tower?
cheiftain newest 15 storie tower ive heard?

Any news, i need to know for my work!

Thankyou

SS

Liverpool Waters has just been announced and the planning process will be a long drawn out procedure. I can't see a planning application being produced for some time and then it will inevitably go to public inquiry. Peel estimate the whole procedure to take up to five years.

Individual buildings in city centre: Ferry terminal now has planning permission, Museum of Liverpool to start this week, Mann Island to start next month, canal link across Pier Head under construction, work has started on the old Yeats Wine Lodge in Moorfields, converting it into a building with a rotating facade for the Biennial. Lime Street Concourse House development delayed by legal problems with the tenants and unlikely to start till next year. Central Village preparatory works have started. L1 apartment development in the Strand still no progress (awaiting renegotiation of the construction contract). City Lofts on Princes Half Tide Dock - steel frame now rising.

Brunswick Quay: Nothing definite since original tower proposal was knocked back. Maro have stated that they plan an iconic development with a local architect but no further announcements.

Airport Expansion: Masterplan for development has received endorsement by local authorities - the next stage will probably be a public inquiry. The hotel / car park fronting the main entrance should be starting soon. Work is ongoing installing bridges over the airside road to give better access to the apron for passengers.

King Eddy Tower: Some renders have been found on architects websites but no definite announcements. The scheme may be radically altered following the announcement of Liverpool Waters.

Chieftain have applied for planning permission for a hotel / apartment tower on the corner of Bolton Street and Skelhorne Street. This will be 15 storeys. Scouseyuppie has produced a render.

Hope the above helps. I plan to do another update of the summary around the end of the month.

[woody]

xxx

[Doug Roberts]

Martin, planning application 07F/0500 is for a mixed use development of 151 bedroom hotel, 88 residential units and 39 parking spaces on a 11/12 storey building at Chieftain's Skelhorne St. site.

[T0M]

Yep that render is for a 12/12 storey building. Despite the dissapointment of the rejection of the Cheiftan tower, I think this scheme nicely 'completes' the existing student blocks and will provide a decent amount of massing for that area of town. It also looks like a much higher spec than the grand central blocks so will do a good job of masking them, and it'll also look pretty impressive as you leave Lime St as well.

[bustcapl]

Yep that render is for a 12/12 storey building. Despite the dissapointment of the rejection of the Cheiftan tower, I think this scheme nicely 'completes' the existing student blocks and will provide a decent amount of massing for that area of town. It also looks like a much higher spec than the grand central blocks so will do a good job of masking them, and it'll also look pretty impressive as you leave Lime St as well.

agree anything that hides the student blocks is a blessing... lets just be grateful that they did not take their investment elsewhere despite the councils best efforts!

[T0M]

Good point bustcapl, at least this way they'll still get a profitable similar density new build on the site - if they stay around in the city long enough to see this to completion hopefully the planning climate will have changed sufficiently for them to consider a new bid. They'll also know that LCC will be very careful about rejecting any new applications from Chieftan after the last fiasco...

[richie1878]

How long before all the blocks get torn down and something better goes there? Hope it's sooner rather than later, I think the whole thing is a disgrace. What a site for new visitors coming to our city.

[T0M]

I think it'll be a long time before they pull this down... it's too profitable. Some of these students are paying over £100 a week to live in a single room!

I also think that with the new Cheiftan scheme it won't look so bad. There aren't many train stations in the country which open out onto wonderful vistas of the city, mostly due to their location.. and so we could get a lot worse than a modern looking, decent sized midrise residential block greeting people as they leave the station. Think about what used to be there... a horrible wasteland carpark and some crappy wharehouses...

And don't forget we all know what we 'could have got' with the Cheiftan tower, but 99% of visitors to the city won't know that, so they won't be dissapointed not to see it.

When you arrive in a city you want to see that it's bright and alive, you don't want to be shunted out into some dark, dingy back alley, which is exactly what this entrance used to be...

As for the rest of the Grand Central scheme, it's very poor quality at street level, but it does have a positive effect on the Liverpool skyline, being bright and visible from many parts of the city.

[John Matrix 1985]

That Yates' Wine Lodge by Moorfields has been a dump for a long time, glad someone is sorting that out.

[cambrian]

That Yates' Wine Lodge by Moorfields has been a dump for a long time, glad someone is sorting that out.

I think they are just cutting a big round hole in it with a revolving thingy for culture year.
then after 08 I guess it will go back to being a dump.

[Red scouser]

Latest Development Update from Liverpool Vision now available...
http://www.liverpoolvision.co.uk/DevUpdate15.pdf

Lets hope Martin will have time to update this thread soon as well :)

[buggedboy]

Latest Development Update from Liverpool Vision now available...
http://www.liverpoolvision.co.uk/DevUpdate15.pdf

Lets hope Martin will have time to update this thread soon as well :)



Grr...the link doesnt work for some reason.

Ive tried opening the link on the LV website too but that seems to have conked out as well.

I'll have to wander to their office at lunch.

[Pietari]

Grr...the link doesnt work for some reason.

Ive tried opening the link on the LV website too but that seems to have conked out as well.

I'll have to wander to their office at lunch.

Well when you are able to access it - it will take sooome reading!

[kung_fuzi]

Latest Development Update from Liverpool Vision now available...
http://www.liverpoolvision.co.uk/DevUpdate15.pdf

Lets hope Martin will have time to update this thread soon as well :)


Interesting to see in this that M&S will be moving into the John Lewis building and will stay there untill 2010 whilst their refurbishment/expansion takes place.

[buggedboy]

I noticed that too (now that LV posted me a hard copy).

Seems like Quiggins will be staying put for a while longer yet. Personally I think that the current site is good for them and that, by 2010, they would have settled in and really made in a home.

They have over 50 shops in there now, but it seems that they struggle to keep a cafe open there nowadays. Footfall will take a while to come back.

[T0M]

I agree that Quiggins is well suited to their current location, for some reason I never felt comfortable with the idea of them in the John Lewis buidling. As for footfall, there's every reason to think this will increase once the Central Village scheme gets underway, soon that whole area will be lively and vibrant again.

[Gherkin]

Could I post this thread on the World Forums? There are some world-beating developments in Liverpool and I'd like to share them with people who don't visit the U.K forums :)

[westisbest]

If it promotes liverpool, of course:) and the other threads RE developments

[Gherkin]

Done :cheers:

[1878EFC]

Thanks for that Gherkin

[thudbucket]

Work has now begun on the former Stella Maris site, after a long delay. There are earthmovers and piling machines on site, to be followed according to a yellowjacket, at least one tower crane, poss two. :cheers:

[gsorby]

martin

As architects for the kingston house scheme you have shown, I am sorry to say we were not successful with thisa scheme. half of the site is being sold by NWDA to langtree. I have tried to find images of their proposal but without success.

langtree will only be able to build on half the footprint to a similar height and consequently there will be an empty plot on Strand Street for some time to come.

gavin
director, BFAW

[Paul D]

I really liked your design,I think everyone did,what are your honest opinions of the Langtree replacement? It doesn't sound very promising with the vacant plot you described.

[Paul D]

Here's the story.
http://www.nwda.co.uk/news--events/press-releases-1/200701/development-partner-selected-f.aspx

[Villiers Terrace]

martin

As architects for the kingston house scheme you have shown, I am sorry to say we were not successful with thisa scheme. half of the site is being sold by NWDA to langtree. I have tried to find images of their proposal but without success.

langtree will only be able to build on half the footprint to a similar height and consequently there will be an empty plot on Strand Street for some time to come.

gavin
director, BFAW

Thanks Gavin.

When you say the chose design will be to a "similar height", do you mean to a similar height to your proposal or to what's already there?

Also, do you know why Langtree can only build on half the space?

Paul D, we don't have top be downcast about this design before we've seen it, the preliminary write-up of by the NWDA seems quite positive (of course it would, but still). Also, the fact that this building will only fill half the space doesn't have to be a negative either. Let's assume that the vacant plot will eventually be filled with a design of decent quality, then you have two nice piles there of contrasting design introducing the start of that street, adding interest and street-level activity (we hope) that wasn't there before. With all the gear going up on Mann Island and around that vacant plot'll be filled in no time make no mistake.

[buggedboy]

The worrying thing for me is that Langtree also beat my organisation in a "open tendering" process for 86-90 Duke St, with their proposal for an innovation centre.

That was back in 2003.

Go have a look to see what the site looks like now.

[Lathom]

A planning application (PL/INV/1542/07) has gone in to create a surface car park on the site of the 'pinwheel' building at Fontenoy Street.

Unwelcome news!

[JUXTAPOL]

A planning application (PL/INV/1542/07) has gone in to create a surface car park on the site of the 'pinwheel' building at Fontenoy Street.

Unwelcome news!

It already is, £3 to park all day, hopefully is only a temp measure.

[gsorby]

langtree do not own the vacant site, so are not at present in a position to build on it.
The development brief allowed for a building of height similar to our proposal.
I very much hope the Langtree scheme is of high quality. I am puzzled why even now there are no images of it. Does anybody have one?
I believe a larger building (not necessarily ours) would offer floor plates better suited to the Strand Street location. 2 buildings could, I agree look good, but with duplication of the cores and escape stairs they will provide only very small office suites on each floor.

[JUXTAPOL]

langtree do not own the vacant site, so are not at present in a position to build on it.
The development brief allowed for a building of height similar to our proposal.
I very much hope the Langtree scheme is of high quality. I am puzzled why even now there are no images of it. Does anybody have one?
I believe a larger building (not necessarily ours) would offer floor plates better suited to the Strand Street location. 2 buildings could, I agree look good, but with duplication of the cores and escape stairs they will provide only very small office suites on each floor.

I'm a bit confused by this, who owns the other half, and why was your scheme over the entire site, and why are NWDA selling half the site, do they own the entire site, are Langtree to be the owners to develop...! do they wan't 2 x 1/2 developments...!

[Martin S]

martin

As architects for the kingston house scheme you have shown, I am sorry to say we were not successful with thisa scheme. half of the site is being sold by NWDA to langtree. I have tried to find images of their proposal but without success.

langtree will only be able to build on half the footprint to a similar height and consequently there will be an empty plot on Strand Street for some time to come.

gavin
director, BFAW


Thanks very much for this information Gavin, I will remove the images from the development summary. Sorry to hear this news.

[Pietari]

Bummer......

[T0M]

Crane and posh hordings around the 'Quarter' site. Does this mean that Liverpool will now officially have a 'Quarter Quarter'?
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/7357/dsc01101rp0.jpg

[Martin S]

No, it will be a sixteenth.

[Villiers Terrace]

No, it will be a sixteenth.

All these faux-aspirational sounding names the developers use to describe their houses, blocks and estates get more than a little pretentious do they not?

These would be nice:
No.s 134-356 Anywheresville
The Housing Estate
The Overseas Speculators Project
The Half-full.
The Ghost Town
The Rattling Shoe-Box

[T0M]

An existing building.. being made taller!

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/9375/dsc00080gb4.jpg

Block of flats near Sefton Park on the corner of Lodge Lane
(Sorry for rubbish photo, taken on my phone in a moving car!)

[Villiers Terrace]

An existing building.. being made taller!

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/9375/dsc00080gb4.jpg

Block of flats near Sefton Park on the corner of Lodge Lane
(Sorry for rubbish photo, taken on my phone in a moving car!)

That's unusual.

I know those bocks well.

Is it not just a continuation of the treatment they gave to the other blocks around the park around 5-7 years ago?

Whatever, decent blocks imo.

[Scarecrow]

No. The blocks around the park are owned and run by arena housing. This is a separate development of 1 & 2 bedroom apartments up for sale from £106k.

Takes the piss that the housing association ones were refused planning permission for three extra floors now dosn't it?

[gsorby]

Martin
Feel free to leave the pics up there if you like, certainly until the Langtree scheme is unveiled, whenever that is. Just didn't seem right presenting it as the winning scheme.

[gsorby]

Juxtapol
The car park site is owned by our client, not NWDA.

[JUXTAPOL]

Juxtapol
The car park site is owned by our client, not NWDA.

Right, i see, is there no chance both halves can get together, or is that usually a difficult prospect.

Cheers :cheers:

[Dreamer]

Heymoore Heights will look great once finished, I live just down the road and its making a real impact

[Support the Doka's]

Apparently Carey Jones are the architects working for Langtree. Theres a new development summary on Liverpool Vision's website, and its in there. I'm pleased it's a decent architect on the job, but it does seem a shame that we wont be seeing Gavin's scheme! Langtree's development in Spring Gardens in Manchester is a fairly attractive building and that was done by the same compnay, so there's hope still.

[JUXTAPOL]

New Magistrates courts planned, (not to be confused with QE2 Law courts buildings).

Could this be a revival of that scheme called "City Hall" on the Victoria St car park, rear of council Municipal buildings.

New £40m law courts planned (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpoolecho/news/echonews/tm_headline=%2Dpound%2D40m-move-is-right-verdict-for-courts%26method=full%26objectid=19357709%26siteid=50061-name_page.html)

[begsy]

My guess is Moorfields.

[1878EFC]

i agree begsy the derelict land and car parks around that area would be good

[scouseyuppie01]

yeah, i think moorefields is perfect for this, on the edge, easy access from moorfields and Leeds street for getting the accused in and out. It could be something iconic too, Manchester's spinningfields is just the same, they have the new Civil justice centre which im sure is a similar price tag and that is MASSIVE! all cantilevered floors, very unusual....

[Awayo]

A better Manchester analogy would be its also new magistrate's court, also in Spinningfields.

The separate Civil Justice Centre is Manchester's new crown and civil courts building, as well as offices for the Department of Justice.

In Liverpool the QEII Courts building will remain Liverpool's crown court and the Department of Justice has taken space in City Square. A Moorfields base for the Magistrates court would make sense for the latter reason.

Ominously, the Civil Justice Centre is mentioned on its Spinningfields development's website and an article on BDonline as new site of the new Ministry of Justice's "North West offices". They may have this wrong of course, or we may have our old friend regionalism rearing its head again and can expect the the Ministry of Justice's office space requirements might be much greater in Manchester than Liverpool.

In any case, the Civil Justice Centre has many more functions than will a new magistrates court in Liverpool and the new Liverpool building is not going to be anything like the size or building expense of the CJC.

Here is a picture of the new Manchester Magistrates Court to give an impression of the likely scale of the new Liverpool building. It cost 30m, on PFI. The Civil Justice Centre, started several years ago, so account for inflation, cost £113m.

http://www.carillionplc.com/assets/images/content_publisher/sectors/sectors_defence_manchester-1.jpg

[liverpolitan]

A better Manchester analogy would be its also new magistrate's court, also in Spinningfields.

The separate Civil Justice Centre is Manchester's new crown and civil courts building, as well as offices for the Department of Justice.

In Liverpool the QEII Courts building will remain Liverpool's crown court and the Department of Justice has taken space in City Square. A Moorfields base for the Magistrates court would make sense for the latter reason.

Ominously, the Civil Justice Centre is mentioned on its Spinningfields development's website and an article on BDonline as new site of the new Ministry of Justice's "North West offices". They may have this wrong of course, or we may have our old friend regionalism rearing its head again and can expect the the Ministry of Justice's office space requirements might be much greater in Manchester than Liverpool.

In any case, the Civil Justice Centre has many more functions than will a new magistrates court in Liverpool and the new Liverpool building is not going to be anything like the size or building expense of the CJC.

Here is a picture of the new Manchester Magistrates Court to give an impression of the likely scale of the new Liverpool building. It cost 30m, on PFI. The Civil Justice Centre, started several years ago, so account for inflation, cost £113m.

http://www.carillionplc.com/assets/images/content_publisher/sectors/sectors_defence_manchester-1.jpg

I have written to ask them about their location of a "North West" office in the new Manchester court building. Their enquiry line to which I addressed my email (which no doubt goes to the computer of some £8 an hour temp who can barely read or write) has not responded, despite a reminder after one week, so I will soon submit a FoI request to find out more. I want to know whether they considered the implications of this location on other centres in the "North West". If they did not, they I think there is then a political question as to why not.

Lord Falconer toured the new building and said that the development means Manchester will win legal business that would "otherwise go elsewhere". I will be asking where "elsewhere" is, as it seems quite wrong for the Government to be building up one centre at the expense of others.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=247546&page=49
There is more towards the end of this thread. It's a stunning building, but it's quite wrong for public funds to be spent on such a building in Manchester without consultation about where regional stakeholders and communities would like a "regional" head office to be built. This is more back-door public subsidiy (on a grand scale) for Manchester, and those who make such decisions need to be held to account.

[Awayo]

No flies on you, Pol. You're right, suddenly for the first time ever, now the Government's legal offices - previously organised round its crown courts, as they have been for centuries - is a regionalist body and of course based in Manchester.

Paid for by all of our taxes and used to benefit only one city. All those highly paid silks, as well as thousands of more lowly admin staff, all spending their salaries Manchester shops, lunching in Manchester restaurants, sustaining cleaning, catering, office supplies companies, etc, etc, in Manchester and all paid for by our taxes.

What's next, one Crown Court per "region", based you know where?

Is there anything else has has not yet been "region"alised? The Regional Health Service has gone in the last few years. Now courts are going. Police and Fire must be next. Anything else surviving in Liverpool that is yet to be targetted for the benefit of New Labour's pet leech?

[Lathom]

New Magistrates courts planned, (not to be confused with QE2 Law courts buildings).

Could this be a revival of that scheme called "City Hall" on the Victoria St car park, rear of council Municipal buildings.

New £40m law courts planned (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpoolecho/news/echonews/tm_headline=%2Dpound%2D40m-move-is-right-verdict-for-courts%26method=full%26objectid=19357709%26siteid=50061-name_page.html)

My fantasy (highly unlikely to be realized) is that they build it where they planned to thirty or forty years ago, as part of the Strand/Paradise St development, where the Halifax building now stands.

[woody]

My fantasy (highly unlikely to be realized) is that they build it where they planned to thirty or forty years ago, as part of the Strand/Paradise St development, where the Halifax building now stands.

Yes Lathom I remember it was planned for the site, tagged on to the end of QE2 Courts ,exactley were the dolls house is situated.

Dups45 has just posted some wonderful aerial pics and this one shows the site of the proposed courts , but the "dolls house" was built and the Magistrates Court plan was forgotton about.

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/4654/june2007cnl0.jpg

[dups45]

Maybe something will go there, havent the halifax said they will be closing this office?

[T0M]

Maybe something will go there, havent the halifax said they will be closing this office?

I think they've hinted at that yes. Either way they won't be there for long, they must have realised that they're sitting on a goldmine, that site must be increasing in value by thousands of pounds per day. They could sell up and rellocate (and probably downsize :ohno: ) to nicer modern offices and still make a tidy profit.

Within a year the dolls house is going to be completely dwarfed between 1 Park West, the Mann Island development and the Kingston house development, there'll be no option but to sell.

I doubt we'd see anything tall on that site (certainly not taller than the Pelli building) but a decent 15-17 storey high quality development will really help make the strand back into one of the finest thoroughfares in the world.

[Villiers Terrace]

the strand back into one of the finest thoroughfares in the world.

I keep on suggesting this is what it should bebut c'mon even with bigger buildings it won't ever become that if it continues to have little open ground-level activity such as bars, great shops, etc
A magistrates court won't do it.

Obstacles are:
1.the Police HQ
2.The Halifax
3.The off-street YMCA
4.The off-street McD's
5.Formule1
6.All the crap, Dolby, Campanile, carparks, etc on the Dockward side of the road.

The good stuff is:
1.Baltic Fleet pub
2.Pelli-park-Hilton
3.Neptune on Mann I. with quality public space

Opportunities are:
1.Kingston House (g.level trading)
2.The plot next to Kingston House
2.The suspended L1 appartment complex (if it gets g.level trading)
3.Norton's scrappy

The road needs a priority 20-30 yr plan with some outside-the-box radical ideas. It's one of biggest unrecognised assets.

[Pietari]

A better Manchester analogy would be its also new magistrate's court, also in Spinningfields.

The separate Civil Justice Centre is Manchester's new crown and civil courts building, as well as offices for the Department of Justice.

http://www.carillionplc.com/assets/images/content_publisher/sectors/sectors_defence_manchester-1.jpg

Eeeek, what a crappy little building.......

[woody]

I keep on suggesting this is what it should bebut c'mon even with bigger buildings it won't ever become that if it continues to have little open ground-level activity such as bars, great shops, etc
A magistrates court won't do it.

Obstacles are:
1.the Police HQ
2.The Halifax
3.The off-street YMCA
4.The off-street McD's
5.Formule1
6.All the crap, Dolby, Campanile, carparks, etc on the Dockward side of the road.

The good stuff is:
1.Baltic Fleet pub
2.Pelli-park-Hilton
3.Neptune on Mann I. with quality public space

Opportunities are:
1.Kingston House (g.level trading)
2.The plot next to Kingston House
2.The suspended L1 appartment complex (if it gets g.level trading)
3.Norton's scrappy

The road needs a priority 20-30 yr plan with some outside-the-box radical ideas. It's one of biggest unrecognised assets.

VT, some of the "obstacles" may disappear sooner than you think., I can see both the Halifax ,Police HQ both moving in the next few years. Also the YMCA has already stated that they plan to sell up and move to a bigger city centre location. We do need some movement on the L1 site,the silence re the future of this development is deafening. the Vermont and Queens Towers will give the southern gateway area a big boost, as will Norton site which must be due real soon.

Yes this highway should be "a gem" and with the above plus a number of apartment schemes along Sefton St will change over the next couple of years. We also have a number of apartment developments being built or approved in the Herculanium Dock area.
As for your suggested 20-30 year plan, a lot of thought will be required by the planners not just on appropriate developments but the road itself is a very popular route into the city from the south and congestion will only get worse when the new Runcorn/Widnes Bridge is built. So major change will occur well before your 20-30 plan kicks -in.

[Awayo]

Minor correction Gents, it's a YHA, not a YMCA. Believe you me, I know the difference.

[westisbest]

We're on today's banner:)

[kung_fuzi]

We're on today's banner:)

Yes and it looks good.:banana:

[woody]

Minor correction Gents, it's a YHA, not a YMCA. Believe you me, I know the difference.

Awayo, thank you for your correction, do they still send you a Christmas card ? as you were one of their best customers:lol:

[adman]

[more (http://icseftonandwestlancs.icnetwork.co.uk/business/news/tm_headline=partnership-admits-it-needs-to---8216-raise-the-bar--8217--to-increase-foreign-investment&method=full&objectid=19406876&siteid=50061-name_page.html)]

MERSEYSIDE’S main inward investment agency, The Mersey Partnership (TMP), yesterday admitted it must work harder to encourage foreign investment after figures showed the number of new jobs created had fallen.

Data from UK Trade & Invest-ment (UKTI) showed 985 jobs had been created through foreign investment in Merseyside in the financial year 2006/07, down from 1,097 in 2005/06.

But it was also revealed there had been a big rise in foreign investment projects in Merseyside in the past 12 months to 27 from 18 in the previous year. The number of jobs safeguarded was also up from 548 to 870.

TMP’s equivalent in Greater Manchester – Midas – has created 1,845 new jobs through inward investment in 2006/07 and safeguarded 946.

[eddie88]

wow! some of these are unbelievable, i hope that one with all the skyscapers in doesnt get built............but moved to london lol

[C'est Moi]

Have people seen this? Apologies if it's been posted somewhere else....
Looks rather interesting, theres a pic on the link below...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/6895610.stm

'Tallest tower' plan for pub site

The proposed tower will have a rooftop bar with panoramic views
Developers are planning to build the highest tower block in Liverpool on the site of a derelict waterfront pub.
The £130m plan is proposed by Richmont Properties and Y1, on the site of the King Edward pub at the junction of Leeds Street and The Strand.

If plans get the go ahead, the tower will stand 170m (558ft) and 54 storeys tall by the Princes Dock development.

The tower, which is yet to be named, would include apartments, office space and a rooftop bar.

Developers hope the penthouse apartments on the 54th floor will become the highest living space in the UK.


Click to see the UK's tallest buildings
The current title is held by Manchester's Beetham Tower which is 47 storeys and 168.87m (554ft) high.

Currently the tallest building in Liverpool is the Metropolitan Cathedral of Christ the King, which stands at 158 m (518ft).

The tower has been designed by architects Leach Rhodes Walker (LRW), who say they have taken into account Liverpool's World Heritage status.

LRW has said the new building will respect the prominent views to Liverpool's landmark buildings, such as the Three Graces.

Colin Turner from Y1 said: "We aim to deliver an iconic, high quality development for Liverpool as Capital of Culture, which will add to the vibrancy already being created throughout the rest of the city.

"We have worked closely and productively with all concerned and the result has been to bring about a scheme that is as appreciated by them as much as it is - we hope - by the people of Liverpool."

[westisbest]

since when was the wig wam 158m, or is that AOD

[eddie88]

wow that looks nice

[scouseyuppie01]

Now this would be ideal for Stanley dock......this kind of architecture is what we should be thinking, not all this heritage lunacy! contrasting, slick, modern! amazing!

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/imagesall.php?ref=1000&idi=Velvet+Knots+At+Bradfords+Lister+Mills&self=nse&selfidi=1000VelvetKnotsAtBradfordsListerMills_pic1.jpg&no=1

[T0M]

Now this would be ideal for Stanley dock......this kind of architecture is what we should be thinking, not all this heritage lunacy! contrasting, slick, modern! amazing!

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/imagesall.php?ref=1000&idi=Velvet+Knots+At+Bradfords+Lister+Mills&self=nse&selfidi=1000VelvetKnotsAtBradfordsListerMills_pic1.jpg&no=1

I saw that the other day too SY and thought exactly the same thing!

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/2701/1000velvetknotsatbradfoan5.jpg
Velvet Knots At Bradfords Lister Mills. Copyright Holder - David Morley Architects


http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/896/1000velvetknotsatbradfocn0.jpg
Velvet Mill Bradford. Copyright Holder - David Morley Architects

[Veinticinco]

40 Stories west tower U/C
27 Stories alexandra tower U/C
22 Stories Vermont tower U/C
17 Stories One park west U/C (not too tall but great design by Caesar Pelli)

25 Stories Central station tower 1 GROUNDWORK
20 Stories Central station tower 2 GROUNDWORK

34 Stories Plot 3a Princes Dock APPROVED
27 Stories Lime street tower APPROVED
23/8 Stories Kings Waterfront Towers APPROVED
22 Stories Queens Dock Tower APPROVED
?? New World Square APPROVED (might be 25 stories, frankly dont care, its fugly!)

Now we get to the proposed towers

54 Stories King Edward Tower PROPOSED

20 stories Capital Building Extension IN PLANNING
erm.... nothing else!?

I know it's easy to see 54 stories and think that's good enough for the proposed towers, but just one tower isn't enough for me. When will we see the new Brunswick Quay designs? That will probably only be a short arse anyway thanks to the people who built the Cathedral tall, meaning nothing new in that area can be tall (first dibs basically). So what's going on? Maybe we will see a tower or two at Pall Mall but how long away is that?

Somebody comfort me thanks, I'm all questions, no answers. :ohno:

[eyeam]

I think we could see a tower around Pall Mall when Audi move to their new premises on the Dock road.

[JUXTAPOL]

I think we could see a tower around Pall Mall when Audi move to their new premises on the Dock road.

The Audi garage is moving...! thats a fairly new garage also. Wouldn't mind if BMW and Mercedes followed them, they are all within 100m of each other, the flash show off gits...:)

[woody]

40 Stories west tower U/C
27 Stories alexandra tower U/C
22 Stories Vermont tower U/C
17 Stories One park west U/C (not too tall but great design by Caesar Pelli)

25 Stories Central station tower 1 GROUNDWORK
20 Stories Central station tower 2 GROUNDWORK

34 Stories Plot 3a Princes Dock APPROVED
27 Stories Lime street tower APPROVED
23/8 Stories Kings Waterfront Towers APPROVED
22 Stories Queens Dock Tower APPROVED
?? New World Square APPROVED (might be 25 stories, frankly dont care, its fugly!)

Now we get to the proposed towers

54 Stories King Edward Tower PROPOSED

20 stories Capital Building Extension IN PLANNING
erm.... nothing else!?

I know it's easy to see 54 stories and think that's good enough for the proposed towers, but just one tower isn't enough for me. When will we see the new Brunswick Quay designs? That will probably only be a short arse anyway thanks to the people who built the Cathedral tall, meaning nothing new in that area can be tall (first dibs basically). So what's going on? Maybe we will see a tower or two at Pall Mall but how long away is that?

Somebody comfort me thanks, I'm all questions, no answers. :ohno:

A couple of corrections, Kings Waterfront is three blocks 1 x 22 storey,1 x 16 & 1 x 8 ,and the proposed Capital Building is not in planning.

Twiz we have under constrution FOUR towers with a further SEVEN approved ( New World Sq is 16 storeys ) + King Eddys in planning, we also know that TWO further tower will "go public" soon, Capital site and son of Brunswick.

So don`t despair theres plenty of construction action to be had in the next 2/3 years. Assuming the city economy keeps rising there is bound to be movement on the Pall Mall site and down in the Baltic Triangle, but if you think we will get a 50 storey tower announced every month you will be disappointed. Unless Peel start nibbling away at their LW scheme,and who would bet against them starting some action on the King Eddys Industrial site in the coming 12 months.

[paulmac35]

since when was the wig wam 158m, or is that AOD

158 feet more like! still its magnificent.

[Portobello Red]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/DevelopmentSummary/queensdocktower2.jpg

That building is plug ugly.

I hope the finished result is better than this image.

[Chris B]

^^
Agreed. It looks like Alex and Unity had a one night stand and this popped out 9 months later. I don't know why, but I always thought a slender tower (Beetham West) would look better here than a fatter tower (Alex).

[Paul D]

The company who come up with that got their planning permission and then sold the site to another developer so I don't think that version will be built.

[PhilG]

Has anyone noticed that they have started demolishing the warehouse at Brunswick quay, where the proposed 52 storey tower was to be built?

I've just been down by the Travelodge and there are bits of plant on site and you can see that they have started demolishing on the river side.:)

[Comdot]

It's a bit out of date!!! ;)
I was hoping to find some information. The Strand is actually called West One and the Malmaisson Hotel is complete unless people are taking their suit cases into a building site!

[Martin S]

It's a bit out of date!!! ;)
I was hoping to find some information. The Strand is actually called West One and the Malmaisson Hotel is complete unless people are taking their suit cases into a building site!

I hoped nobody had noticed. :(

[getting laid]

wow that looks nice

New York's a great place!

[Comdot]

Now this would be ideal for Stanley dock......this kind of architecture is what we should be thinking, not all this heritage lunacy! contrasting, slick, modern! amazing!

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/imagesall.php?ref=1000&idi=Velvet+Knots+At+Bradfords+Lister+Mills&self=nse&selfidi=1000VelvetKnotsAtBradfordsListerMills_pic1.jpg&no=1

stanley dock idea looks good if a little immature. i don't suppose the buildingis exactly lined with gold leaf or anything else that would be a travestyto clad over so it's good for development in my eyes. nice bricks? hope they keep those, think we'll all miss em if they are painted or whatever. i think some of the verticle extensions of buildings in manchester are more understated and possibly more taseful and enduring than these tellytubby bubbles. though they are exciting looking bubbles.
i've not seen any extentions for other liverpool buildings. lee house in manchester is getting an extension. a few other victorian buildings have recent extensions. some look shite and cheap while others look good. there's BT Grand Island on Whitworth Street i think getting a few more floors,though it's a recent structure.

[kat2]

Stanley dock would make a great film studios
after all its used so much for that anyway so why not build a studio there?
kat:)

[T0M]

Stanley dock would make a great film studios
after all its used so much for that anyway so why not build a studio there?
kat:)

That's a fantastic idea! There are all sorts of great reasons for building it here, including the fact that production costs would be a lot cheaper than they are down south. Having said that I'm not sure that many studios have the kind of cash needed to make that sort of investment at the moment, nice idea though.

[JUXTAPOL]

Something i was wondering, you know rubbing a few of my brain cells together, (probably destroyed them in the process though).

Would the other surface carparks around the Albert dock ever be built on.

There are three areas as seen on the photo below, which could accommodate development, or is there need to maintain surface carparking there, considering the MSCP's nearby. The largest carpark being near the white blocks. Also considering the potential of trams being present in the future.

Alternatively, they could be turned into proper open space...!


This image property/courtesy of Grosvenor website
image removed

[Pietari]

Other `European Cities` dig deep in order to house and perhaps even hide their car parks and their cities and towns don`t often come with a `World Heritage` tag either so apart from cost and a rather large JCB digger could we not perhaps do similar where appropriate?

[JUXTAPOL]

Seems like design issues have been delaying the Brunswick Quay tower recently

click here for full article (http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2007/11/13/developers-promise-to-restart-quay-work-64375-20099105/)



P.S. does anyone else get a pop up password login box for www.liverpoolpsda.co.uk, when visiting this thread, just happened about 5 times, cancelled each time to continue. Is not happening now on this page (33), but does still happens on page 32 of this thread.


Just cured the problem:There was a post i submitted ,(post 639), with a photo from the PSDA website, but the photo wasn't showing anymore, so i removed the link to the photo and problem cured. Probably their way of protecting their images, maybe i shouldn't of posted a direct link to one of their photos.

[Martin S]

Have to agree that the site seems to have been very slow. Steel structures normally shoot up well ahead of concrete but this has taken months to get to just five storeys.

Hope they aren't hiding any major problems. One failed apartment development is a shame, two looks like carelessness.

(By the way Juxty, this is the Columbus Quay tower - Brunswick Quay was the 51 storey job turned down by Ruth Kelly).

[scouseyuppie01]

A tweaked development summary:

R5JVcG6SUjc


here it is if that doesnt work....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5JVcG6SUjc

[woody]

:Yupps, that is just fantastic, pity it was`nt 2 hours long :lol:

[PhilG]

Brilliant.:)

Loved the sound track as well.:cheers:

[kung_fuzi]

Excellent.

[scouseyuppie01]

Well juice FM agreed, its been used, well including some other images in a different edit, for the opening of the Juice FM fashion awards in the Palm House! thankgod for Facebook and networking! ; )

[kat2]

Would have been nice if you could have shown before say for example Chavasse Park http://www.arklo.com/2005_ChevPark/2005_p000_ChevPark.htm then the construction updates on that site, same with the new museum and canal link before and during shots
injected in the videos of the crusie liner ships, (there are plenty of videos around) infact grosvenor park 1 west do a good video too
http://www.oneparkwest.co.uk/oneparkwest/OPW.swf
thats a very high quality video!
nice to hear though that your works been used, although *grin* your projections of your ideas for the waterfront would lead to some confusion.
kat:bash:

[scouseyuppie01]

excellent vid. We are working on a video to explain 21C's mission, and that kind of structure to the vid, rules etc, its quite good....thanks for the link...; )

[eyesparky]

Stunning video ... really liked the sound track too ... can't help but feel positive listening to that. Thanks for posting it.

[Comdot]

I've not seen it in the flesh since the roof was put on but Beetham West looks awesome. I really like the roof area the most. Then there's the flat front that contrasts beautifully with the curved sides (are they elliptical?).

[woody]

Thanks kat for the link, fabulous video

[bustcapl]

enjoyed the video very much SY.... looking forward to seeing more soon!

[scouseyuppie01]

thanks guys....; )

[Accura4Matalan]

Great video :)

[woody]

Accy boy...:goodnight

[bustcapl]

Hotel and flats to bring new life to Hope Street
Nov 29 2007 by Tony McDonough, Liverpool Daily Post


Artist's impression of plans for a new office/leisure development at Josephine Butler House, situated at the junction of Hope Street and Myrtle Street in Liverpool _320

LIVERPOOL’S historic Hope Street is to be transformed by four new developments featuring office space, a boutique hotel, bars and restaurants and luxury apartments, with a total estimated end value of £100m.

Maghull Developments is behind the scheme which will be centred around five properties, four of which were formerly, or are currently, being used by Liverpool John Moores University (LJMU).

The developer has submitted four separate planning applications to Liverpool City Council and is confident of approval for all of them. They are:

* Josephine Butler House, at the junction of Hope Street and Myrtle Street, which will provide 20,000 sq ft of ground floor retail and restaurant units with 115,000 sq ft of grade A office accommodation on the upper floors.

On the 6th floor, a 7,000 sq ft sky-bar restaurant with outside terrace area has also been proposed, offering unrivalled views along Hope Street to both cathedrals and over the city.

This scheme alone has an estimated end value of £60m.

* The Hahnemann Building which will be refurbished into a 63-bedroom five-star boutique hotel.ŠThese proposals will capitalise on Hope Street’s already impressive reputation for high-quality hotel accommodation and fineŠdining.

* 68 Hope Street and 2 Blackburne Place, both Grade II-listed buildings, will be refurbished to provide 54-loft style apartments which will be aimed specifically at the city’s most affluent residents and not the investor market.

Apartments will range from 600 sq ft for a one-bedroom unit to 3,600 sq ft for a three-bedroom triplex unit, complete with three outside terrace areas.ŠPrices are expected to range from £150,000 to more than £1m.

Josephine Butler House will also provide three levels of basement car parking offering secure off-street parking for all four schemes.

The schemes will involve investment by Maghull, backed by Royal Bank of Scotland Corporate, of tens of millions of pounds. Michael Hanlon, managing director of Maghull Developments, insists that, despite the credit crunch, funding for the projects is in place.

He said: “We have worked very closely with the city’s planning officers for over 12 months and our plans will ensure a sympathetic refurbishment of key Grade II-listed buildings on Hope Street.Š

“The proposals provideŠa mix of uses which will undoubtedly enhance the vitality and viability of the city’s Georgian Quarter, while providing a substantial boost to the local economy in terms of job creation and enhancing the city’s tourism offer.”

Mr Hanlon added that despite strong interest from independent operators, Maghull will operate the boutique hotel itself. He also claimed its standards would exceed those of the very highly regarded Hope Street Hotel nearby.

“I think what the Hope Street Hotel did when it opened was raise the bar in terms of hotel standard in Liverpool and at the time that was fantastic. But I think we can raise that bar even further and create something that could rival the best boutique hotels in London.

“The Georgian Quarter and Hope Street in particular is already renowned for world-class architecture and these proposals will see some of the city’s best Georgian properties refurbished to a very high standard and given a new lease of life.

It is hoped work will start next summer for three years.

Jim Gill, Liverpool Vision chief executive, said: “The regeneration of Hope Street has been one of the major city centre success stories. We welcome Maghull’s plans for investment and their proposals to breathe new life into these landmark buildings.”

tonymcdonough@dailypost.co.uk



This sounds like excellent news for this area... i can see it really developing into a great asset to the city!

[Paul D]

“I think what the Hope Street Hotel did when it opened was raise the bar in terms of hotel standard in Liverpool and at the time that was fantastic. But I think we can raise that bar even further and create something that could rival the best boutique hotels in London.


I agree this sounds great.^^

[buggedboy]

I'm really excited about this.

This is a non-office based example of how the perceived "Merry-go-round", so often criticed, can actually benefit the city.

A new development comes, which is then filled in by agencies/firms from elsewhere. This free's up development space.

Hey presto, two new sets of development!

[T0M]

The entire Hope Street area is one of Liverpool great 'sleeping giants'... in a few years time it's going to be one of the trendiest places in the city.

[new]

... in a few years time it's going to be one of the trendiest places in the city.

To be honest i would say it already is...plus it is probably the only street in Liverpool that is not touched by a corporate franchise...

[Babaloo]

To be honest i would say it already is...plus it is probably the only street in Liverpool that is not touched by a corporate franchise...

Seconded.

It also has:

the best theatre in the city
the best restaurants in the city
the best hotel in the city
the best concert hall in the city
the best womens centre in the city
the best meditation centre in the city
the best pub gates in the city
some of the best terraced housing in the city
some of the best street furniture in the city
and its bookended by the two best cathedrals in the city.

It's also refreshingly grown up. Students seem to get sucked into Hardman Street and away from Hope Street as if by magic.

[begsy]

Was just browsing the KKA (architects) website, and was quite surprised to see that they have/are in the process of designing 3 towers on the waterfront. A 30 floor building for Peels proposed cruise terminal, a corporate headquarters for Merseytravel on Princes dock at about 27 floors, and the Capital buildings new tower. Sorry don't know how to set up links so you'll have to go and see for youselves.:)

[yoshef]

Was just browsing the KKA (architects) website, and was quite surprised to see that they have/are in the process of designing 3 towers on the waterfront. A 30 floor building for Peels proposed cruise terminal, a corporate headquarters for Merseytravel on Princes dock at about 27 floors, and the Capital buildings new tower. Sorry don't know how to set up links so you'll have to go and see for youselves.:)

great find!! :cheers:

Merseytravel Headquarters - Princes Dock 3b ?

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x167/yoshef/PrincesDock3B_Merseytravel.jpg

Fly through video (http://www.kka.ltd.uk/xfile.asp?ftype=video&furl=Movie.wmv) - (doesn't work in firefox, works ok in IE)


West Waterloo Dock Cruise liner terminal + hotel

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x167/yoshef/WestWaterlooDock.jpg

Fly through video (http://www.kka.ltd.uk/xfile.asp?ftype=video&furl=waterloo%20dock_0001.wmv) (as above, seems to require IE, couldn't get it to work in Firefox)

Capital Tower
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x167/yoshef/CapitalTower.jpg

[Veinticinco]

Fuck me! 3 towers in one day plus the capital extension! How have we missed these? Are you sure that's the capital tower? The Echo report didn't say it was KKA. Merseytravel HQ looks great.

edit: just noticed the tiger skin floor level cladding on the Merseytravel tower! Ugly. I like the rest of it though.

[yoshef]

Fuck me! 3 towers in one day plus the capital extension! How have we missed these? Are you sure that's the capital tower? The Echo report didn't say it was KKA.

the renders above are from the PDF on the site, this text goes with it:-

Downing Developments
Capital Tower, Liverpool
The proposal creates a new mixed use Hotel, Leisure, Conference
and Residential development on the 'Sun Deck' of the former New
Hall Place in Liverpool.
The ambition of this extremely complex project was to realise the
previously untapped development potential of the existing structure
sitting below the site.
Our solution echoes the massing and hue of the adjacent structure
in a series of dynamic 'stepped' wedges whose 'shimmering'
metallic facade unfolds to reveal an iconic glass shard at the
prominent corner of the site.

[yoshef]

there is also this picture on their website:-

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x167/yoshef/capitaltower2.jpg

[buggedboy]

I LOVE the Merseytravel Princes Dock design. I'm such a sucker for cantilevered bits n bobs.

That render seems further progressed than the others. Maybe we'll hear something soon?

[yoshef]

from the associated PDF file:-

Princes Dock Development Co Ltd
Plot 3B
Princes Dock, Liverpool
KKA participated in a limited design competition to provide a new corporate Headquarters facility for Merseytravel. The prominent location of the site on the Liverpool water front combined with the requirements of the brief allowed for the establishment of a new landmark building with a strong corporate identity and appearance. The design approach sought to respond directly to both the working environment envisaged and the strong site context. The building form created provided a highly-accessible, highly-serviced; open working environment responding to the flexible and ever evolving office environment.

[T0M]

Just to be clear (before we get too excited) are any of the designs above formally submitted plannign applications? Did any of the designs win the competitions they were entered in? Are we likely to ever see anything like these designs in reality?

[Veinticinco]

Just to be clear (before we get too excited) are any of the designs above formally submitted plannign applications? Did any of the designs win the competitions they were entered in? Are we likely to ever see anything like these designs in reality?

Well the Capital tower is being designed by Glenn Howells architects so there's that one out the window.

Downing has appointed Glenn Howells architects to design the tower

[yoshef]

Just to be clear (before we get too excited) are any of the designs above formally submitted plannign applications? Did any of the designs win the competitions they were entered in? Are we likely to ever see anything like these designs in reality?

I doubt it, I'd be happy if just one of these was brought forward as a concrete proposal. The merseytravel tower looks fantastic, but it looks too chunky to sit in directly in front of Beetham West and get through planning. It also looks expensive, would merseytravel want something this extravagent?

The west waterloo design is fascinating as it involves a development on a similar scale as the proposed Shanghai tower, complete with helicopter pad, although obviously lower and more spread out.

[bustcapl]

I didnt know they were planning on having a cruise liner facility at waterloo dock... still though just to get the architects to do these proposals costs money proving that they are at least more than a school boys wet dream!

[kat2]

Dosent make economic sense to have another cruise liner terminal who owns the current one? I like the hotel design too, but again economics of it all, parking that too? the mersey travel offices shown in post 667 look impressive but thats before the chop!
kat

[Veinticinco]

I like the hotel design too, but again economics of it all, parking that too?

According to the PDF file, the hotel will never be driven. :)

[yoshef]

According to the PDF file, the hotel will never be driven. :)

:lol:

[kat2]

hmmm, smart**! so the pdf file talks *grin*
wheres all the modern technology in these new proposals? solar energy in some of peels renders the designs did appear to have wind turbines on the top so, some green elements were encorporated but where are they now?
kat

[woody]

I didnt know they were planning on having a cruise liner facility at waterloo dock... still though just to get the architects to do these proposals costs money proving that they are at least more than a school boys wet dream!

Peels terminal is shown on their Liverpool Waters model, left of pic with existing Liverpool City Cruise Liner Facility on the right..........

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/3294/lwfde1.jpg
Pic by Doug Roberts

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3465/april2807eni1.jpg
Pic by adman, west Waterloo on the left, British Waterways need to get Planning Approval to part infill this area to reclaim sufficient land to accomodate the terminal.

[bustcapl]

"Pic by adman, west Waterloo on the left, British Waterways need to get Planning Approval to part infill this area to reclaim sufficient land to accomodate the terminal."

there in lies the problem!!

[T0M]

Peels terminal is shown on their Liverpool Waters model, left of pic with existing Liverpool City Cruise Liner Facility on the right..........

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/3294/lwfde1.jpg
Pic by Doug Roberts
.

It's interesting that the layout of the terminal in this model by Peel is identical to the designs from KK Architects... did Peel commision them to design the terminal?

[T0M]

Anyone know what's going in this big gaping gap on Sir Thomas Street?

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/5997/img5403qm9.jpg

[T0M]

ABC cinema is looking great after it's clean up (apart from the entrance)... but when is it going to get developed?!

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6637/img5404hl4.jpg

[JUXTAPOL]

Anyone know what's going in this big gaping gap on Sir Thomas Street?

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/5997/img5403qm9.jpg

This....
http://www.iliadgroup.com/uploads/case_study/image1//1170243277_municipal-annexe.jpg

[kung_fuzi]

This....
http://www.iliadgroup.com/uploads/case_study/image1//1170243277_municipal-annexe.jpg



Good grief,that's bad.

[eyeam]

ABC cinema is looking great after it's clean up (apart from the entrance)... but when is it going to get developed?!

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6637/img5404hl4.jpg

No building work until after 2008 I heard

The council didn't want a building site to go with the eyesores at Lime St for new visitors so they are just having the cinema cleaned up for the time being before Urban Splash are allowed to start work

[ScouseScraper]

That old ABC cinmea should be a selfridges or some sort of flagship store, or even another flagship cinema i.e. AMC Cinemas!

[scouseyuppie01]

No building work until after 2008 I heard

The council didn't want a building site to go with the eyesores at Lime St for new visitors so they are just having the cinema cleaned up for the time being before Urban Splash are allowed to start work

ive always said the whole block would do well as a "printworks" style leisure area. Gut and deorientate the former blacklers store, take the whole block including KUMAR bros store and the mcdonalds etc, create a central atrium area and bring down the kumar brothers store to create an entrance "event" to connect the adelphi/lewiss area more directly with the st johns/clayton square area... ?

[Rock Savage]

Good grief,that's bad.

Gotta agree with you on that.:ohno:

[T0M]

ive always said the whole block would do well as a "printworks" style leisure area. Gut and deorientate the former blacklers store, take the whole block including KUMAR bros store and the mcdonalds etc, create a central atrium area and bring down the kumar brothers store to create an entrance "event" to connect the adelphi/lewiss area more directly with the st johns/clayton square area... ?

Although I'm not keen on the actual Printworks itself (good idea badly implimented) - I do think this site is ripe for that sort of wholistic development which recconects all 4 surrounding streets. Fancy whipping up any renders SY with all that spare time you clearly have... :nuts:

[scouseyuppie01]

Not so much spare time, just more refined techniques....; )

could people post as many images of that area as they can (lime st/kumar/blacklers/mcdonalds)

[adman]

Not so much spare time, just more refined techniques....; )

could people post as many images of that area as they can (lime st/kumar/blacklers/mcdonalds)


:lol::lol::lol:

[scouseyuppie01]

again,

Not so much spare time, just more refined techniques....; )

could people post as many images of that area as they can (lime st/kumar/blacklers/mcdonalds)

[T0M]

again,

Not so much spare time, just more refined techniques....; )

could people post as many images of that area as they can (lime st/kumar/blacklers/mcdonalds)

Will try to. Saw this photo in the Merseymart the other day, can't believe how good that store used to look, and how awful it looks now. Brilliant concept for a revival a la Met Quarter.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:oJhHlhflYa-QRM:http://website.lineone.net/~debbiehistory/Postcards/WebGifs/BlacklersF.gif

[westisbest]

Merry Christmas everybody

[Gherkin]

I'm trying to keep the World Forums version of this thread updated, but I don't follow the projects as closely as many of you Liverpool forumers so help would be appreciated!

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=474147

:)

[woody]

Gerkin007, the buzz in the city as we start our 08 party, is the first event at the ACC Liverpool ,Echo Arena.

Ask Ged if you could post up a couple of his superb shots.

Congratulations on a great thread, the world forum taking a peek at our city, well done.

[Ged]

Gerkin007, the buzz in the city as we start our 08 party, is the first event at the ACC Liverpool ,Echo Arena.

Ask Ged if you could post up a couple of his superb shots.

Congratulations on a great thread, the world forum taking a peek at our city, well done.


I dont mind anybody using my piccies,I would be delighted in fact,but I'd like to be asked 1st so I know where they are going and I would like to be Informed if any News papers or magazines are Involved,and please leave my Copyright mark on them.


^^ Sorry if that all sounds as if Im a fussy so and so..Im not trying to make my pics sound as if they are special..I just like all the small print out in the open so everybody know's where we all stand...it saves a lot of grief all round....Bottoms up. :cheers:

[Comdot]

a 23 story development at 71m in Bootle, Stanley road/Balliol road (right next to my college. i will have access to this building, as the company i work for is the company who have planned it, Haslam Homes. it's called Connolly House and is looking like getting PP

Here are 2 renders from the office, please note i took them with my phone off the boards we produce with all our houses etc
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/6874/0206110501cp8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/624/0206110515ne9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

any more info on connolly house? an internet search seems to bring up bugger all. parden the french.

[Comdot]

don't know if this has been posted

The apartments will boast stunning, uninterrupted views across the River Mersey to the Wirral and the Welsh hills beyond. Construction is moving at a pace on site, and the development is currently on schedule to be completed in time for Liverpool’s debut as European Capital of Culture 2008

from beetham website.

surely they are behind schedule as the debut has already happened!

[Red scouser]

The Latest (and last) Liverpool Vision Development Update now available...
http://www.liverpoolvision.co.uk/FinalDevJan_08.pdf

[snappel]

What's the name of that tower being built next to the Chinese restaurant by the Brunswick business park? Nothing seems to have changed there in months.

[JUXTAPOL]

What's the name of that tower being built next to the Chinese restaurant by the Brunswick business park? Nothing seems to have changed there in months.

That's Columbus Quay, we now know it has stopped due to the contractor "Livesey group" going bust.

[snappel]

Thanks for the info.

[b4mmy]

ABC cinema is looking great after it's clean up (apart from the entrance)... but when is it going to get developed?!

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6637/img5404hl4.jpg

This was originally pencilled for a casino and mixed use dev a few years ago.

[Awayo]

Urban Splash have first dibs on it and are in negotiation with its owners, English Partnerships. Plans have not yet been released but the current idea is for the building to become a restaurant and hotel.

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/tm_method=full&objectid=19741627&siteid=50061-name_page.html

[Manuel]

Duggan Morris victory at Mersey Observatory
14 March 2008

Duggan Morris Architects is to design the new Mersey Observatory in Crosby after seeing off competition from Studio 8, Phos Architects, Farrell & Clark, and Ellis Williams Architects.

The RIBA competition sought a design to replace the disused radar tower, which stands between Liverpool Docks and Crosby Beach, that would attract up to 250,000 visitors a year.

The project, part of the ongoing regeneration of the area, will offer views of both Liverpool’s skyline and Antony Gormley’s famous installation, Another Place, which consists of 100 iron figures on Crosby Beach.

• Two further RIBA competition shortlists were announced this week. Studio Egret West, Panter Hudspith, John McAslan, Benson & Forsyth, and Flacq are vying for the chance to redevelop a part of Finsbury Park in north London, adjacent to the tube station.

A shortlist of five consortiums has also been announced for the contest to design the next phase of the Grahame Park regeneration project, also in north London.

http://www.bdonline.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=426&storycode=3108808&c=2&encCode=000000000147f010

http://www.bdonline.co.uk/Pictures/468xAny/l/k/v/tower_dusk_ready.jpg

[Chris B]

Thanks Manuel. I have to say that wasn't my favourite, but there was certainly worse up for consideration, so I'm OK with it. It's definately unique, and will become an icon for the area, so I think it'll be fine.

[Paul D]

I've put this info in the correct thread,thanks Manuel.:)

[jwmacintyre]

"WOW" your city will truly be a architectural materpiece,
If only my city could take note!

[thudbucket]

any more info on connolly house? an internet search seems to bring up bugger all. parden the french.

Hi, I've only just spotted this post. Connolly House was a local authority Old Person's Home, run by Bootle CB until 1972, and then Sefton MBC. It was demolished ca. 2000 and the site has lain surrounded by corrugated iron ever since. Any chance of this ever proceeding?:cheers: