Liverpool Development Summary 2

[JUXTAPOL]

Excellent read of projects going on in Liverpool. :cheers:

Some others such as:-

Gloucester Place Apartment block completed, Low Hill, Developer Braidwater.
Prince William pub and surroundings on Moss Street/London Road.
Elysian Fields Colquitt Street Developer Illiad, (Ropewalks)
Former NCP car park Duke Street
For the future Windsor developments £1Bn Baltic Triangle.

[Red scouser]

Excellent summary and good work with the photo gallery, I really think that post deserved to be sticky as well. Keep up the good work Martin.

[Martin S]

Juxtapol,

Thanks for the development list. I realise there are a few developments that need adding and hope to get round to it soon. Sometimes I haven't added a development because there is no rendering.

Red Scouser

My idea with the photo gallery is to link to it from the Development Summary so it doesn't matter if it slips down the pages. I will also link to it from my signature.

[Liverdude]

The Mancs attempted a picture thread but I think they gave up, they said your thread was just a way to increase the post count! :)

[westisbest]

stupid question but where is the picture gallery

[Martin S]

stupid question but where is the picture gallery

I haven't advertised it much as I've only managed to include four developments so far but it can be found at the link below.

[westisbest]

thanx martin :cheers:

[woody]

I haven't advertised it much as I've only managed to include four developments so far but it can be found at the link below.

Martin, just viewed your Picture Gallery, only one word describes it.......

SUPERB

What have you started here? With all the other major schemes about to kick off together with regular updates, you had better give up your day job and become our full time archivist :)

Many thanks must also go to our happy band of "clickers", excellent bunch of photos boys, keep up the good work.

[Martin S]

Martin, just viewed your Picture Gallery, only one word describes it.......

What have you started here? With all the other major schemes about to kick off together with regular updates, you had better give up your day job and become our full time archivist :)

You're not joking Woody. It is becoming like a full time job and explains why I haven't been posting much on the forums recently. Doesn't help that I'm still using a dial up connection and a stone age computer.

My idea is to add roughly one photograph per development per month, to show how the sites are changing. Very difficult sometimes as we have some excellent photographers on the Liverpool forum and I have to be very selective.

[woody]

My idea is to add roughly one photograph per development per month, to show how the sites are changing. Very difficult sometimes as we have some excellent photographers on the Liverpool forum and I have to be very selective.

Yes Martin this must be your biggest headache, which photo to choose ,from an array of wonderful shots, still nice problem to wrestle with but very time consuming. Excellent new thread charting the rise of the new Liverpool, will call back in 3 years time to see how you are doing :)

[thudbucket]

:) Martin, you do a great job with your summaries. Do you know what the block is that's appearing at the back of the Baltic Fleet? Also, there are two service towers to the left of that building, visible from Paradise Street Car Park. Don't say we don't keep you busy! :cheers:

[birminghamculture]

WOW - makes the Statue of Liberty look like a donkey.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/DevelopmentSummary/poseidenstatue.jpg

[Paul D]

It would be great if it's ever built but sadly I doubt it will.

[JUXTAPOL]

:) Martin, you do a great job with your summaries. Do you know what the block is that's appearing at the back of the Baltic Fleet? Also, there are two service towers to the left of that building, visible from Paradise Street Car Park. Don't say we don't keep you busy! :cheers:
That's Chandlers Wharf, see picture above in Martins update, which does seem to be going slowly.

[tommygunn]

the maritme buildings looks really nice and not really mentioned on here.

[JUXTAPOL]

the maritme buildings looks really nice and not really mentioned on here.
It will when a large crane appears on site. I like the scale of this building, and think it will look impressive. The strand can take more of this size of development along it's route, and hopefully create wider pavements and more people activity.

[tommygunn]

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid172/p2458f22d7dc6d1c53da023e6b82c46f1/f3cf4bcc.jpg

[TheBoy]

Isnt alex meant to be the other side of city lofts?

[tommygunn]

Isnt alex meant to be the other side of city lofts?
probably i just guessed where abouts i thought it would be.

[Dreamer]

I love city lofts, but expected it to be taller somehow

[tommygunn]

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid173/pfe2a1886c398c69076edf3c6024fca83/f3ad2abe.jpg

crude render.

[bustcapl]

thing thats a good effor myself tommy gunn!

[tommygunn]

thing thats a good effor myself tommy gunn!
thanks mate ill try some more if you like it.

[bustcapl]

keep em coming lad allways good to see different visoins of our fine waterfornt...,. manchester eat you heart out!

[tommygunn]

keep em coming lad allways good to see different visoins of our fine waterfornt...,. manchester eat you heart out!
its true what i think it was ferge said liverpool is getting a brilliant skyline without even realising.

[bustcapl]

well we realise it, i cant wait till all these tourists arrive here and suddenly start opening there eyes to what the city has to offer. Its about time some more of the local population begun to do the same!

[Martin S]

Peel Developments have commissioned Aidan O'Rourke to produce this render of their proposals for Central Docks.

Any comments? Do you think this spoils the view of Bootle?

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/UsukManhLivMersey5425.jpg

[kung_fuzi]

Not much room for Evertons new ground amongst that lot. :cheers:

[scouserdave]

Peel Developments have commissioned Aidan O'Rourke to produce this render of their proposals for Central Docks.

Any comments? Do you think this spoils the view of Bootle?

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/UsukManhLivMersey5425.jpg
The view of Bootle? :hahaha:

Well done to Aidan for getting the commission, even if he is a Manc :cheers:

[westisbest]

the building second to the right of the new york skyline (blue curved one) is 541 ft high, 165m. BQ is Taller

[Scarecrow]

Cheers westie! :cheers:

Has Aiden been given money by Cuntwood to make the JM Centre appear taller than it actually is? :?

[bustcapl]

very good!!!

[tommygunn]

another angle

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid173/p58bc469786f52a67520e60c90f761311/f3a9cf25.jpg

[Delboy]

Thats the end of stanley dock market then, ah well that's progress

[tommygunn]

it is amazing the contrast on that pic think about the mini manhattan comparison and you dont know whether to laugh or cry.

[Martin S]

it is amazing the contrast on that pic think about the mini manhattan comparison and you dont know whether to laugh or cry.

Yes it does put things in perspective. Whilst buildings of that height would dwarf Liverpool, they would not dwarf the Mersey which is probably as wide as the Hudson and the East River.

Being a bit pedantic, I think the photo exaggerates the NYC skyline a bit as their buildings are closer to the waterfront, whereas Beetham Tower etc. are some way back.

[thudbucket]

Peel Developments have commissioned Aidan O'Rourke to produce this render of their proposals for Central Docks.

Any comments? Do you think this spoils the view of Bootle?

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/UsukManhLivMersey5425.jpg

Looks suspiciously like Manhattan from centre to left.... :)

[Doug Roberts]

Nice one Martin, does this give any indication of Peel's ambitions for all their newly aquired real estate??

I bet Coun. Munby will shit himself when he sees this Ha!!! and its outside of the WHS buffer zone.

[Martin S]

I always feel sorry for the New Yorkers. They go and build a 70 storey building and nobody notices because it's hidden behind all the others.

[Scarecrow]

Poor sods. My heart bleeds for them... :rant:

[tommygunn]

any one know anything about the tobacco wharf redevelopment looks quite classy.

[Martin S]

Latest update of Development Summary (first post on this thread) now complete.

Kings Dock started, Merseytram stalled, and lots more.

[thudbucket]

Latest update of Development Summary (first post on this thread) now complete.

Kings Dock started, Merseytram stalled, and lots more.

:) Martin, what would we do without your summaries -many thanks :cheers:

[DJ Billy]

Martin – I’ve not seen that Baltic Triangle masterplan before. Are those the actual plans? I hope so, as it means that the Ibis and Formule 1 hotels are going!

[Martin S]

As far as I know they are. They include some buildings that are already underway such as Chandlers Wharf, Quay House and the Maritime Building development.

The Ibis hotel may earn the dubious distinction of being the first Liverpool building of the 21st. Century to be demolished.

[DJ Billy]

The Ibis hotel may earn the dubious distinction of being the first Liverpool building of the 21st. Century to be demolished.

Couldn't happen to a nicer building ;)

[westisbest]

SOMETIMES I HATE OUR CITY!!!!

Setback for city tower projects Jul 4 2005




EXCLUSIVE by Larry Neild and Jessica Shaughnessy Daily Post Staff






TWO skyscraper projects, bringing more than £200m of private investment into Liverpool, are expected to be recommended for rejection by city planning officials.

The Daily Post understands that a £100m scheme to build the city's tallest residential tower, a 50-storey development at Brunswick Quay, is to be thrown out next month.

And another scheme for a tall tower, by Irish developers Chieftain, in Lime Street, is also expected to be turned down.

Last night, Frank McKenna, chairman of pressure group Downtown Liverpool in Business, said: "This will be a big slap in the face for potential developers wanting to carry out projects in Liverpool. Do we really want to drive them into the arms of places such as Manchester?"

The Brunswick Quay project, being planned by developers Maro, has already been rejected once and a public inquiry is scheduled to take place next June.

Maro resubmitted its plans in the hope of speeding up the process. There had been indications that the development now had a better chance of winning approval. But Maro's team of advisors have had a meeting with senior planning officials at the council and it is understood that the planners intend to recommend refusal of the scheme when it comes before the Planning Committee next month. They say the scheme is in conflict with a housing renewal blueprint for the city.

Last night, Maro's chief executive, Chris Ives, declined to comment.

He said: "We understand that the plans will be going before the Planning Committee on August 23 and we will not comment until after the meeting."

Chieftain's doomed project involves the construction of a tower on the site of the former Ribble bus station in Skelhorne Street.

Mr McKenna said: "If the indications that both schemes are to be recommended for refusal are true, then I will be bitterly disappointed. We will be losing an iconic building at Brunswick Quay and a stunning building in Lime Street, which has already been designated as a suitable location for tall buildings.

"It appears there is considerable support for these buildings among a number of our politicians, yet officials take an opposing view.

"We need to examine carefully why we seem in this city to be slamming the door on private investments. I want us to carefully examine whether decisions are in any way linked to proposals for residential schemes that are linked in with projects that are part-publicly funded.

"In my view, there are not many places that will just say no thank you to millions of pounds of investments. Both buildings are of high quality, so

it is not as though they are being knocked back because they are ugly. I think this should be seen by the politicians as a wake-up call about who makes the decisions in this city."

A city council spokesman said last night: "These are two live planning applications and it is speculation to talk about recommendations at this stage. Whatever the recommendations, the decisions will be made by the Planning Committee who will take all views into account."

[tommygunn]

the echo on their website have a picture of the landmark tower not the chieftan one and there already calling it doomed very positive lets just hope they all get proved wrong.

[sloyne]

SOMETIMES I HATE OUR CITY!!!!
There is a upside to all this and that is that Liverpool have a very strong and active civil service. They (CS) are very confident of their position and having a CS as confident of these people are, stems from from just two things. Either 1.) they have very weak bosses (councillors) or 2.) they have something damning on the said councillors.

One good point though; I think the DP&Echo might have published this story in order to start a fight back by the people against the non-elected vandals in the planning department. If this is true then it bodes well for Liverpool and it's citizens if, those citizens now get involved with moving Liverpool forward and ridding it's self of the obstructionist in the planning department.

By the way westisbest, I don't hate Liverpool, I honestly pity it. Really, just what city anywhere in the world, would reject so much private investment, almost out of hand? I get the impression that the hired help, in the planning department, want to be the only Scousers with jobs because, the way they are driving investment away they will soon be the only people in Liverpool with jobs. It is, like someone else said, a "city gone supernova" . The north west is very fortunate to have Manchester within it's region. Imagine if Liverpool was the premier city, just what kind of message would that send to the outside world about the North West?

[Dicky Sam's]

Very well put Sloyne. I have to agree.

One thing that concerns me about Liverpool City Council is the number of non-Merseysiders working high profile jobs within the Council. I'd imagine, though I could be wrong, that many of the people within the Planning Department, and other departments for that matter, are not actually Merseysiders and possibly do not have the city's best interests at heart. For them it is just a job with a good salary and pension scheme.

[L11_Red]

Loonypool I think is what some Mancs call this city. I'm starting to believe it. :weird:

Are people in office on a power trip or something?

Silly c***s :wtf:

[Martin S]

July update (first post on first page) complete.

[Mark*S]

Cracking thread Martin!

I'm starting my dissertation this summer, and doing all of the research for it now.

Will be doing something along the lines of cohesive development in liverpool: why does develpment stick.

So this is going to be really useful to me

[Paul D]

Welcome to the Liverpool forum Mark. :)

[Mark*S]

thank you very much! its a good forum by the looks of things!

so what do you know about the term chesive development ;)

[Accura4Matalan]

thank you very much! its a good forum by the looks of things!
No, its a shit forum!

[Mark*S]

No, its a shit forum!


it was better than a preston one i was looking at before! :)

[Accura4Matalan]

it was better than a preston one i was looking at before! :)
Which one? (Just out of interest :) )
BTW... welcome to the chaos :D

[kung_fuzi]

No, its a shit forum!


Shame on you Accy!

:down:

[Accura4Matalan]

I was only joking... I love it really!

[Martin S]

I was only joking... I love it really!

Might explain why you've done over 8,000 posts on our forum.

[Scarecrow]

No. that would just explain why he is a twat Martin.

[westisbest]

just to let you all know, a tall mobile crane was on the site of the met quarter yesterday lifting things onto the roof. maybe they're putting the roof on

[LiverOdysea]

Martin S just like to say thanks for taking your time to do this
Thanks
LiverOdysea

[Martin S]

Appreciated.

Martin S

[LiverOdysea]

Your Welcome
(great i sound like i suck up)

[Scarecrow]

Just buy Martin a Guinness and he'll be your mate forever. ;)

[LiverOdysea]

i wish, im UNDERAGE
Cruelty to Children should stop let them DRINK
:cheers: :bash: :cheers:

[LiverOdysea]

ONLY a few Years to go!!!!!
:cheers:
( it was wrong first Time anyway)

[Martin S]

Liver Odysea,

I'm sure Bunnyman would buy me a pint (Cains will do) until you're old enough.

By the way, it's not too good an idea to advertise your age on this site as you don't know who is reading this.

I don't either but for a rather different reason.

[LiverOdysea]

Is that better?

[woody]

Liver Odysea,

I'm sure Bunnyman would buy me a pint (Cains will do) until you're old enough.

By the way, it's not too good an idea to advertise your age on this site as you don't know who is reading this.

I don't either but for a rather different reason.

Martin, when I get my bus pass in 6 years time I will be delighted to buy you a glass of Cains finest bitter :cheers:

[Martin S]

No, do it now when you can still afford it.

[woody]

No, do it now when you can still afford it.

I am a poor and broken man, but I shall scrape together a few pennies( now were did I leave that three-penny bit ) and buy you a pint of Cains :cheers:

[Martin S]

I am a poor and broken man, but I shall scrape together a few pennies( now were did I leave that three-penny bit ) and buy you a pint of Cains :cheers:

I suppose buying that penthouse on the top of Unity must have knocked you back a bit. :yes:

[woody]

I suppose buying that penthouse on the top of Unity must have knocked you back a bit. :yes:

Very true :) I am waiting for an IKEA sale so that it can be furnished.

[Liverodysea2]

Ikea Sales are on NOW!!!!!

ELITE DESIGNERS VERSUS IKEA

[woody]

Ikea Sales are on NOW!!!!!1

ELITE DESIGNERS VERSUS IKEA

Oh Shit, Must fly, Any ideas guys on what would look good in my port-a-cabin in the sky???

[Liverodysea2]

Leather and furry Brown Cussions
and Black and white pictures of New York

[Liverodysea2]

Leather Chairs and couch i was talkin about!!!

[Blabbernsmoke]

Woody,

Don't put anything too heavy adjacent to the walls, lest your lunch-box abode falls from its perch :)

[Pietari]

Leather and furry Brown Cussions
and Black and white pictures of New York

And why not Liverpool?
:bash: :) :cheers:

[Blabbernsmoke]

I have a framed, colour picture of the Liverpool waterfront at night, which I bought from a shop at the Albert Dock a few years ago. It hangs, proudly, on my living room wall. Whether the missus likes it or not :cheers:

[thudbucket]

Can't find the Malmaison Hotel thread, so in case anyone hasn't noticed, ground work has begun on the site :cheers:

[General Zod]

Thanks for all of your hard work compiling this thread Martin. Glad to see most of them underway with more to follow. Things are buzzing in the city center these days. It's fabulous.

[Accura4Matalan]

Its quite pleasing to see that their is a fair balance of residential and non-residential projects.

[woody]

I have a framed, colour picture of the Liverpool waterfront at night, which I bought from a shop at the Albert Dock a few years ago. It hangs, proudly, on my living room wall. Whether the missus likes it or not :cheers:

Thanks guys for the suggetions, blabbers I won`t neeed your picture as all I have to do is look out of the window :) ,to ensure ( IN HIGH WINDS ) the floor does not tilt I will buy 2 brown leather sofas for opposite sides of the room :runaway: :)

[JUXTAPOL]

This development looks interesting, makes a change from cheap semidetached council houses which end up derelict after a few years.


Green development click here (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=15739333%26method=full%26siteid=50061%26headline=%2dpound%2d18m%2dgreen%2dvillage%2dplanned-name_page.html)

[Martin S]

I walked right by the West Tower site yesterday, nothing doing though the hoardings look impressive. I'm hoping we will see a start on that site tomorrow, because if not there will only be one Monday left in July and after that the project will have slipped.

Also due to start in July is the landing stage extension. I think that will have to wait at least until they have cleared away the Hub festival tents etc. The canal link now looks more likely to start at the end of the year.

Seems like most of the interesting developments are already on site and just needing some construction progress before they are making an impression. I'm thinking about Alexandra Tower, Kings Dock, St Pauls Square and the Malmaison. All of those should have sprouted cranes by the end of the year and than making some addition to the skyline.

[John Matrix 1985]

Excellent read of projects going on in Liverpool. :cheers:

Some others such as:-

Gloucester Place Apartment block completed, Low Hill, Developer Braidwater.
Prince William pub and surroundings on Moss Street/London Road.
Elysian Fields Colquitt Street Developer Illiad, (Ropewalks)
Former NCP car park Duke Street
For the future Windsor developments £1Bn Baltic Triangle.


Will anyone start a thread of "Liverpool failed projects"? I seem to remember the "Otterspool Tower/Scousescraper" which disappeared off the scene in the late 1990s, nice photo but the Echo never went into much detail about what it would actually be used for. Anyone remember it?

[JUXTAPOL]

Will anyone start a thread of "Liverpool failed projects"? I seem to remember the "Otterspool Tower/Scousescraper" which disappeared off the scene in the late 1990s, nice photo but the Echo never went into much detail about what it would actually be used for. Anyone remember it?
I remember it, it was just a publicity stunt by a property/development company to try and increase the value of the land they owned and attract attention from a proper development company. The company was called Wiggins i think, and they changed their name several times, latest was Planestation or something like that.


Wiggins Group has submitted plans for a £1bn retail, leisure and conference centre in Liverpool, that would be the tallest tower in Europe. 10-Feb-1998


There was never any chance of Europes tallest skyscraper being built opposite a residential area, with only one already busy road for access. If this skyscraper were to be approved, (think of current tall building only 32 mikes struggling for approval), the company would have shat their pants, and wouldn't have known what to do. The Walton group springs to mind here, don't know why...hmmmm (pie in the sky...!).

[Scarecrow]

No cost spared in £3m revamp Jul 28 2005




Liverpool Echo


REFURBISHMENT plans have been announced for the former Sun Alliance Building in the heart of Liverpool's business district.

The £3m refurbishment, revealed by Morley Fund Management on behalf of Morley Pooled Pensions Limited, will spectacularly transform the 1950s property in Exchange Street East.

Morley bought the building in 2004 and has been working on plans for major remodelling of the property. Work was due to start this week.

Brian Ricketts, partner at sole letting agents Hitchcock Wright & Partners, said: "We are extremely excited about the prospects for the building.

"No expense has been spared. The specification is spectacular. It will include a complete remodelling of the main entrance, incorporating glass, stainless steel and high quality limestone. The approach to the building really will be something special."

The office space will have the benefit of comfort cooling, full accessed raised floors and high quality finishes throughout. It will extend to around 40,000sq ft and also has 28 secure base-ment car parking spaces. Contact Hitchcock Wright on 0151 227 3400.

* Sutton Kersh has held its fourth property auction of the year in Liverpool.

Partner James Kersh, pointing to the attraction of commercial property as the key driver, said: "Almost irrespective of location, commercial property in the form of retail and offices has been the most attractive target for investor portfolios in the last month.

"There was a large uptake in inquiries before our July auction around commercial stocks with a number of properties selling prior to the bidding." Those that sold on the auction floor included 22 Slater Street, a city centre freehold retail/ office investment with a guide price of £300,000 which sold for £341,000.

Total receipts for the auction reached £4.48m with 75% sold.

* A leading Liverpool property tax consultant says the government should consider following international models for Real Estate Investment Trusts.

Brian Clark, senior partner at PricewaterhouseCoopers' Liverpool office, believes recent announcements on REITs show welcome progress.

"HM Revenue & Customs has listened sensibly to representations made by PricewaterhouseCoopers on behalf of our clients. However, there is still plenty of work to do, and in moving forward to final legislation an 'exempt company structure' would allow REITs to stimulate further significant property investment in the UK. This is what is happening overseas."



This is the building opposite Silkhouse Court isn't it? The one with the newsagents and butty bar on the ground floor? :?

[jawida]

Yeah, that's the one,

[Pietari]

Don`t you think there is just a hint of the same?

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/columbus.htm

Funny how history repeats itself...............

http://www.skdocks.co.uk/

St Katherine Docks (not far from the Tower of London....) built first whilst Liverpools Albert Dock was opposed for years by the vested interests of that time.

:bash:

[westisbest]

anybody got info on LCC's desision on the new towers??

[Gareth]

Not yet though I should think they've made their decision by now. I can't see Central station on the agenda or Bruswick. Just Grand Central.

[westisbest]

4 me grand central is the most impressive

[Gareth]

I'm not very optimistic but maybe Lady Doreen will come out good. Yo never know.

[sloyne]

anybody got info on LCC's desision on the new towers??BBC Radio Merseyside is reporting that the council have rejected it, but Chieftain are to appeal which will leave the area 'as is' until beyond 2008.

[Martin S]

I've updated the development summary to the beginning of August (first post on first page) and removed the links to hacked threads.

[crazy monster]

Liverpool requires more taller buildings.
We need to embrace the future and stop living in the past.:

[bustcapl]

welcome to the forum crazy monster!!!

[sloyne]

Liverpool requires more taller buildings.
Liverpool requires a political leadership with vision and foresight, a bureaucracy committed to the welfare of the city and it's aspirations and a engaged and informed electorate.

[Martin S]

Development Summary (first post on first page) updated with some reformatting.
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[westisbest]

When did the Tower crane go up at the Malmaison site because t wasn't up on tuesday

[General Zod]

Dunno but glad things are moving. I have stayed in the Leeds and Manchester Malmaison and they are very nice hotels. Would stay in a malmaison over the crown plaza or the Marriet. Don't get me started on the Adelphi. Bono has shares in Malmaison chain apparently. The best Malmaison is the one outside Paris, obviously what the chain was named after. It was Napoleon and Josephine Bonaparte's summer retreat. Paris' answer to Speke Hall or Crocky park. Napoleon's bed is tiny, he truly was a midget with a tiny didget. I laughed my arse off when I saw it and the exchange student I was with was not amused.

[kung_fuzi]

Martin, don't know why I havn't noticed this before but your location of the Debenhams store is Paradise St/Lord St.
It's actually South John St/Lord St. :cheers:

[General Zod]

Just read on www.downtownLiverpool.org that banks are knocking back loans to construction companies/Investors because they see the Liverpool planning processes as a liability and a risk to their loans. Downtown doesn't back this up with any particular examples, names or figures etc so I would take it with a pinch of salt. People wanting to mount pressure on the council would love to use this argument though.

[sloyne]

Napoleon's truly was a midget with a tiny didget. I laughed my arse off when I saw it and the exchange student I was with was not amused.
They are actually displaying Napoleons dick? I don' believe you. :)

[General Zod]

I was referring to the size of his bed. True, I have never heard of a man under 5ft with a massive stonking cock.

[LABlue]

Im '5ft 7 - does that count ?

Ermm thats my height by the way.

[John Matrix 1985]

Ron Jeremy isnt that tall

[sloyne]

I was referring to the size of his bed. True, I have never heard of a man under 5ft with a massive stonking cock.
Perhaps he could lick his eyebrows. :)

[General Zod]

Let's stop talking about men's willys. It's not nice. We were having a clever discussion about Hotels with French names and then it descended into playground gutter humour. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

[Doug Roberts]

Letter in this mornings DP from a certain Patrick Taylor, Canada, who says he has written to the Mayor of Toronto with the aim of persuading the Mayor to contact Maro, Chieftain and Ballymore and ask them to build their projects there!!

Nice slant to take this discussion in a different direction, but would Mike, Dave, Doreen & Nigel have the imagination and flexibilty to overturn their publicly stupid positions on this issue? by tomorrow afternoon we'll know.

I wonder who Patrick is?? (only joking)

[General Zod]

I take it everyone is bracing themselves for a rejection. If that's the case then everyone should yet again send in a barrage of letters pointing out the stupidity of their decisions. It is good that complete strangers from Canada who clearly aren't ex pats want these developments in their town if the people of Liverpool don't want them. The people of Liverpool do want them, it's just all the niby's and beaurocrats who are holding us back.

Anyway, that kind of ranting has been aired before plenty of time. Try and find new angles.

[sloyne]

Try and find new angles.
How about using the very high unemployment rate of Liverpool, still one of Europes highest. The rejection, by the council, of job creating private investment is depriving the citizens of Liverpool of the right to a job.

[Martin S]

When did the Tower crane go up at the Malmaison site because t wasn't up on tuesday

It didn't - just the base is there at present.

[Martin S]

Martin, don't know why I havn't noticed this before but your location of the Debenhams store is Paradise St/Lord St.
It's actually South John St/Lord St. :cheers:

Thanks Kung - I'll sort that one out shortly.

[begsy]

Just browsed www.roodogg.com a company that produces 3D images for architects, and noticed they had produced 2 images for the proposed LEOS casino extension on Sefton street,-interesting. P.S. in the portfolio section, gallery4, bottom 2 pics. :)

[Scarecrow]

Quite a big extension that. Looks a bit like Kingsway House, Hatton Garden though...

Cheers for the link Begsy! :cheers:

[bustcapl]

i understand that these extensions are on thye basis of Liverpool being allowed a super casino and tattinger (the owner) has done this as a formality but very unlikely to ever get built.

Then of course i wait to be corrected as i am quite often wrong!

[Doug Roberts]

Sometime ago the boss of the Leo Casino was talking about expanding their operations in Liverpool and said they would demolish the hotel next door (I'm not sure if it's the Dolby or the Campanile) I wonder if this extension is also a hotel??

http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/6666/leo16yw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img281.imageshack.us/img281/4850/leo25jb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[General Zod]

They look bland and awful. I am going to gamble my hard earned cash in Southport. I will spend hours at the 2p step machines. I will win that casio calculator watch with 10 regal king size selotaped to it !

[Pietari]

Doug,

That would be goodbye Dolby as the Campanile is the one nearest Wapping.

Dolby to the left of the Casino and Campanile to the right of the Casino when looking towards the river.....

I`ve had some very nice meals in the Campanile Bistro - it made for a pleasant Sunday afternoon waterside stroll.

[scouserdave]

The director of the casino Amaury Taittinger is also the director of the Campanile chain who also (gasps for breath) owns the Dolby :cheers:

[John Matrix 1985]

Class, I can just imagine Celine Dion performing there and heavyweight title fights going on,hopefully Siegfriend & Roy will make a guest apperance.

[tommygunn]

isnt alexandra tower bigger than the gateway tower shouldnt that be first?

[westisbest]

yep alex is exactly 3.8m taller lol

[Martin S]

Development Summary updated to September with some new renderings.

(The summary is the first post on the first page of this thread.)

Gateway and Alex now swapped round. Thanks for noticing it chaps - dates from when Gateway was 34 mikes.

[scouserdave]

Thanks Martin.

There's a couple of things happening on Wirral which I posted last month
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=5037831&postcount=1
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=5171081&postcount=15

[woody]

Martin, as usual your DS just keeps getting more and more extensive and detailed as your geographical map grows, if your not careful you may end up in "pesky rabbit" country, Southport !

[Paul D]

Development Summary updated to September with some new renderings.

(The summary is the first post on the first page of this thread.)

Gateway and Alex now swapped round. Thanks for noticing it chaps - dates from when Gateway was 34 mikes.


Excellent as ever Martin but the PSDA renders have now changed. :)


http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7969/00072007dfc413169d280c02ac1bf8.jpg




http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/3641/debsimageupdatedjune05web2ft.jpg




http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5945/herbertsweb8kj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Scarecrow]

I prefer the old Herberts with the rounded top. That one's more ming than bling IMO.

[jawida]

It looks like the controller's office from Monkey Dust season 2. Seriously.

Not as tall though, obviously.

[General Zod]

Don't forget that this is the head office of a gay hairdresser who wears pink suits. What kind of building do you expect ?

[Scarecrow]

A big pink rubber one. :)

[General Zod]

Presicely. That got the knock back and he had to settle for this nobbly one instead.

[Scarecrow]

Here's an early rendering of the failed design.
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00026W3Z2.01-A22UN21UL9VI60._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[General Zod]

That's quite an impressive errection. My girlfriend was given permission by the council to build a larger one in my absence.

[Paul D]

This is a scan out of the echo so forgive the quality but I think you can just make out how amazing the courtyard to tha albany development is going to look,it features the worlds first outdoor chandeliers.


http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9543/lastscan2im.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[woody]

Paul , When you see that bridge with the spiral staircase, it could only be the Albany, thanks for the render ,should be a spectacular courtyard.

[Martin S]

[QUOTE=Paul D]Excellent as ever Martin but the PSDA renders have now changed. :)


Thanks Paul. I've now updated the renders.

[Paul D]

[QUOTE=Paul D]Excellent as ever Martin but the PSDA renders have now changed. :)


Thanks Paul. I've now updated the renders.

The old ones are still there Martin. :)

[Martin S]

[QUOTE=Martin S]

The old ones are still there Martin. :)

Something funny going on there as the new renders appear when I access the Development Summary.

[DJ Billy]

Sounds like a cache problem Paul. Stick a question mark after the url Paul and see if anything different comes up :)

[maggie]

probablytime to change the render for central station tower

[Wirral]

is there a date as to when a decision will be made on the central station tower?

[Paul D]

is there a date as to when a decision will be made on the central station tower?

A standard planning application normally takes around 13 weeks,but it may/probably will take longer. :)

[Pietari]

Liverpool is like as a city to invest in, a city to visit...a city to call home.

You already know us as Capital of Culture and Capital of Cool...now we invite you to let the New Liverpool capture your heart. Welcome to the Capital!

http://www.british-publishing.com/Pages/Liverpool2004/welcome.html

[Wirral]

one of the constraints lined out in the planning proposal for the commerical quarter development is, the tunnels, why not open up a station, with so much being built round there, the other underground stations especially moorfields, will feel the brunt. another station is perfect for that area, serving princes dock aswell. agree?

[woody]

one of the constraints lined out in the planning proposal for the commerical quarter development is, the tunnels, why not open up a station, with so much being built round there, the other underground stations especially moorfields, will feel the brunt. another station is perfect for that area, serving princes dock aswell. agree?

No, a new station on the Pall Mall site is a) to close to Moorfields and b) if you sited it further up the line , passengers would need to cross the Leeds St dual carrigeway to head back into the CBD or down to Princes Dock.

The tunnels under the Pall Mall site are an constraint and are rising to the surface just past this site, it would be costly but not impossible to "raft" over them and build a tower say 30/40 mikes high

[Pietari]

http://www.investmerseyside.com/news.asp?id=49

September 2005 News Round Up
19 September 2005

Welcome to the news from Merseyside
Brought to you by The Mersey Partnership

HEADLINE

Record month: A record-breaking 465,845 passengers used Liverpool John Lennon Airport in August, up 33.7% on August 2004. (See Transport & Infrastructure News)

Population rise: Liverpool has seen the biggest rise in its population for a generation, reversing the trend seen in the 1980s and 1990s. (See Economic Development News)

Office letting deal: Liverpool law firm Hill Dickinson has signed up a major office letting deal, which will see the company take 130,000 sq ft to host more than 500 lawyers and support staff at the city's St Paul's Square development. (See Property News)

Waterfront plans: A scheme for a new waterside development comprising 30,000sq ft of offices, 4,000 sq ft of retail and upto 6000 homes have been approved by Halton Council for Widnes. (See Property News)

Giant container: MDHC has applied for a Harbour Revision Order to build a new container terminal at the Port of Liverpool. (See Company News)

CONTENTS

- COMPANY/BUSINESS NEWS
- PROPERTY
- ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT/ACTIVITY
- TOURISM/CAPITAL OF CULTURE
- LABOUR MARKET
- TRANSPORT & INFRASTRUCTURE

COMPANY/BUSINESS NEWS

Profit surge: Liverpool insurer Royal & Sun Alliance has reported a 79% surge in half-year profits. RSA unveiled group operating profits of £329m in the first six months to June 30, up from £145m 12 months ago.

Aintree boost: £35m development plans for Aintree racecourse have been given a £4.7m boost with a grant from the Northwest Regional Development Agency. The Aintree International Equestrian Centre will include a parade ring and two bandstands.

Giant container: Mersey Docks and Harbour Company has lodged an application for a Harbour Revision Order to allow a new container terminal to be built at the Port of Liverpool.
The port is hoping to build a 800-metre in-river quayside close to Seaforth.

St Helens expansion: One of St Helens' oldest companies is looking to expand following a takeover - a move which will safeguard more than 100 jobs in Newton-le-Willows. Spooners Vicar, which was established 150 years ago and makes bakery equipment, has been taken over by Avalanche Holdings Limited. Avalanche has pledged to a long-term investment programme to maximise the company's position in the global market place.

Rathbones assets: Operating profits at Liverpool fund manager Rathbones are up 21.1% from a year ago at £16.1m and its unit trusts now hold more than £1bn of assets. The company has also revealed it has £8.4bn of assets under management and is looking for new acquisitions.

Mersey Docks: Peel Holdings has been given approval to take over the Mersey Docks and Harbour Company by the Office of Fair Trading. It's expected the move will be made official following two High Court hearings later this month.

PROPERTY

Office letting deal: Liverpool law firm Hill Dickinson has signed up a major office letting deal, which will see the company take 130,000 sq ft at £18 sq ft and more than 500 lawyers and support staff to the exclusive St Paul's Square development. Hill Dickinson will move into the purpose-built accommodation before the end of 2007.

Waterfront plans: Halton Council has backed a scheme for a new waterside development comprising 30,000sq ft of offices, 4,000 sq ft of retail and upto 6000 homes in Widnes. It is envisaged that the introduction of a mixed use development will act as a catalyst for further development in the area.

Knowsley business: Derelict land on Knowsley Industrial Estate will be transformed into a new business park - creating 300 jobs - after £3m of public sector funding was approved. The 28-acre Alchemy site is considered one of the most important business parks in Merseyside and grants from the NWDA (£1.3m) and the Merseyside Objective One Programme (£2.8m) have been secured to develop infrastructure and the first phase of development.

Flagship stores: Work has begun on the two anchor stores at the heart of Grosvenor's Paradise project, a scheme which will create more than a million square feet of retail and leisure space in Liverpool City Centre. Building work has begun on the new John Lewis store, while demolition work has begun ready for the construction of a Debenhams outlet.

ECONOMIC ACTIVITY & DEVELOPMENT

Population rise: Liverpool has seen the biggest rise in its population for a generation. The latest Mid Year Population Estimate shows that the city's population has increased by 2,700 people - crucially these figures show that people are now moving into the city, reversing the trend seen in the 1980s and 1990s.

University rush: Liverpool University and Liverpool John Moores University have seen courses fill up in record time through clearing. Education experts and students are citing Merseyside's dynamic image as a primary reason for the upturn.

Neighbourhood renewal: Wirral has been awarded a further £14m from the government's Neighbourhood Renewal Fund. The money will be provided over the next two years, and will help regenerate key neighbourhoods.

TOURISM/CAPITAL OF CULTURE

World-class waterfront: The renaissance of Mersey Waterfront will be promoted to international experts in regeneration and sustainable development at the Waterfront Expo in Riga, Latvia, at the end of September. It comes as Mersey Waterfront launches a new publication showing the changing face of the 135km coastline, alongside images of international counterparts such as Genoa, Shanghai and Toronto.

Southport Pier Tram: Southport's new Mersey Waterfront funded Pier Tram - the only one of its kind in the world - has been officially unveiled. The 100-seater custom-built vehicle complements a £7m restoration programme, which has already taken place on the 3,600 ft grade II listed pier. The scheme is part of a wider 'Seafront Action Plan' for the Victorian resort.

Knowsley online: A new website www.VisitKnowsley.com has been launched to promote the borough's visitor attractions, hotels, events and business facilities. The site is part of the www.VisitBritain.com series of tourism websites.

Cultural centre: A dedicated information centre for people to find out about cultural events in Liverpool has opened in the city centre. The £1m '08 Place' opened its doors on 20 August - billed as 20/08 day.

Southport Water Park: An £8.5m water park, larger than the SunCentre at Rhyl in North Wales, is to be built in Southport. The extension to Dunes Leisure on the seafront is expected to bring almost 140 jobs to the resort and attract a quarter of a million visitors a year.

Tourism Occupancy Figures:
Latest Monthly DataJuly 05 Financial Year Average 05/06
Liverpool City Centre Room Occupancy 79% 75.5%
Merseyside Room Occupancy 84.7% 76%

LABOUR MARKET

Unemployment for July 2005 (Source ONS)
- The unemployment rate in Merseyside has stayed the same, at 3.7%, as last month. There has been a slight increase in numbers claiming, up by 518 people.

- Halton, Knowsley and Liverpool have all had a slight increase, up by 0.1% points. However, this is the same nationally and regionally, where the UK and the NW have both had a 0.1% point increase. This is also the same situation for 4 other city regions - Greater Manchester, Tyneside, West Yorkshire and West Midlands.

July 2005
Area number rate % change since last month % change since last year
Merseyside 6 33,493 3.7 0.0 0.1

Halton 2,193 2.9 0.1 0.2
Knowsley 3,519 3.9 0.1 -0.1
Liverpool 14,848 5.3 0.1 0.3
Sefton 4,129 2.5 0.0 -0.3
St Helens 2,809 2.6 0.0 -0.1
Wirral 5,995 3.2 0.0 0.2

United Kingdom 870,982 2.4 0.1 0.1
North West 102,844 2.5 0.1 0.2

TRANSPORT & INFRASTRUCTURE

Record month: Latest figures reveal a record-breaking number of passengers used Liverpool John Lennon Airport in August. The airport saw 465,845 passengers pass through the airport, up 33.7% on the same period last year and equivalent to total passenger numbers for 1994.

Merseyrail fleet: A £34.2m refurbishment of the Merseyrail fleet has been completed. 59 trains used on the Northern and Wirral lines have been involved in the revamp, which has incorporated wider aisles and extra room for wheelchair passengers and bicycles.

[Paul D]

Liverpool's city centre population will rise a staggering 57% in the next decade.

Link (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16247381%26method=full%26siteid=50061%26headline=57%2d%2drise%2din%2dcity%2dcentre%2dliving-name_page.html)

[JUXTAPOL]

Liverpool's city centre population will rise a staggering 57% in the next decade.

Link (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16247381%26method=full%26siteid=50061%26headline=57%2d%2drise%2din%2dcity%2dcentre%2dliving-name_page.html)
Great...The city will be buzzing, and this is why i agree with the council trying to limit car access around the city centre as mentioned on Icliverpool today. Imagine 10,000 extra cars in the city centre. We need the Trams though to help implement this reduction in car useage.

Quote from Mumby....!

Cllr Steve Munby, Labour spokesman for regeneration, warned the city's upmarket developments could emulate the disaster of 1960s tower blocks, which were initially hailed as great examples of modern urban design, only for some to become areas of social deprivation.

Well as you have said Mumby, they are upmarket developments after all, so are privately owned/rented, by people with good jobs, whereas 60s developments were grim, run by the council and occupied mainly by unemployed or low wage earners, and all the social problems that resulted. We have moved on from the 60s tower block council estate mistakes. :bash:

[Dreamer]

Mumby is a total uneducated twat

[Doug Roberts]

Still don't understand why Munby gets all that publicity, yet again he displays a lack of vision, progress and ambition. Just imagine if a Labour administration were in power he could be the chair of the planning committee!! come to think of it, has he ever said anything positive about the new Liverpool? if he has, I can't remember it.

[Martin S]

I had the chance to meet Steve Munby a few weeks ago, through a local residents association. I told him who I was but I don't think he recalled that I was the person who sent him two long letters supporting the Brunswick Quay tower.

My impression of him was that he is an enthusiastic, intelligent and likeable individual who does work hard for the council (Now about my council tax Steve).

However, I get the impression that he is not taking into account any of the positives associated with downtown regeneration. He is concerned about the oversupply of rented apartments and was raising the spectre of people on housing benefit being housed there and causing social problems (on the face of it, an odd thing for a 'socialist' councillor to be concerned about).

I was not convinced that there is not a hidden agenda working there. Possibly not the desire to maintain a Labour majority as I suspected earlier but possibly a fear of the public sector losing its control over the city.

I wrote to him later to point out that what he seemed to fear was a distortion of the market brought about by public sector interference.

To his credit, Munby did express some interest in development, proposing to us that there should be a fast boat service from the Pier Head to Liverpool Airport. I don't think it was that well thought out but might have something going for it as a zig-zag cross Mersey service.

All the same, it is good to see him in a more positive light.

[Blabbernsmoke]

I was not convinced that there is not a hidden agenda working there. Possibly not the desire to maintain a Labour majority as I suspected earlier but possibly a fear of the public sector losing its control over the city.



IMO, the latter is even worst than the former. It is the public sector's strangle hold over the city economy that really separates Liverpool from the likes of London, Manchester, etc.

No matter what way you look at it, Munby has misguided ideas that are out of touch with a world economy that is increasingly capitalist and globalised. I suspect sinister motives- especially when an old lefty is using such arguments to fight new apartment developments-- You are right indeed; very strange for a socialist to make such unsavoury comments about people on the bread line.

Doug,
The thought of Munby being the chair of the planning committee is a disturbing one. Should it ever happen, will the last one to leave please turn out the lights!

[Paul D]

The Beatles were singled out on Friday as the most influential entertainers of the past 100 years, beating out the likes of Elvis Presley, Charlie Chaplin and Mickey Mouse, according to a survey conducted by show business newspaper Variety.

Variety said the Beatles were named "Icons of the Century" because they were the entertainment personalities who made the biggest impact on the industry and the world in the past 100 years.

Full Story. (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/15102005/325/beatles-top-entertainment-poll.html) :cheers:

[pjmulholland]

Well as you have said Mumby, they are upmarket developments after all, so are privately owned/rented, by people with good jobs, whereas 60s developments were grim, run by the council and occupied mainly by unemployed or low wage earners, and all the social problems that resulted. We have moved on from the 60s tower block council estate mistakes. :bash:

High rise can work - even for poor people. You just have to properly build, manage and maintain it. None of which applied to the 60's nightmare.

[Paul D]

http://img449.imageshack.us/img449/201/dukest31pq0ag.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Here's another one for your summary Martin,doug took this one and with a bit of cropping it should do for now.


http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/7357/byromst18ma7kf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Byrom/Fonterroy Street. :)

[Pietari]

http://www.liverpoolarchitecture.com/tours/index.php

Online tours

The LiverpoolArchitecture.com site is the home of a number of Architecture tours of Liverpool, UK. The tours have been produced by CAADRU at the University of Liverpool in association with 2020 Design, the Liverpool Architecture Society and Infinite3D.

The first tour covers the east side of the Business district. It includes buildings in the William Brown Street and Dale Street area. The second tour covers the west side of the business district and includes buildings at the Pierhead and around Water Street and Castle Street.

NB: Tours require the Flash5 plug-in. Click here to see if you have the plug-in.

[Ste]

Excellent building for Byrom Street - should definately be built - great addition to the spread of the city towards and over Leeds st.

[Chris B]

^^

I agree, it adds some much needed bulk to that side of Byrom Street, and it's quite an attractive looking building too. Someone remind me, has this been granted planning permission, or has planning merely been submitted. I can't remember.

[Scarecrow]

Granted last week or so. Should see the scabby student halls coming down at the end of the university year. :)

[Pietari]

http://www.downtownliverpool.org/

Central Regeneration Ltd have submitted the main planning application for their major development in between Bold St and Renshaw Street, a stunning, stepped 38-storey tower with 3 companion buildings and surrounded by a spectacular water cascade and public realm by Martha Schwartz.

:) :cheers:

[westisbest]

i went to see my nan in the royal and i went home via leeds street, the strand, otterspool etc and 1 word sums up what i saw. Awesome. there are developments everywhere. Manchester cannot keep up. i saw a unity style crane, white n all just around the moorfields area, i wondered if it was to do with st pauls sq but it was too far back, anyone no??

[buggedboy]

re: post 168 ...i got a letter from the planning depertment acknowledging my support for the project that i submitted via the online comment form. Hand signed and everything (ooh). Get as many of these buggers off as possible guys and let the em know how important this project is.

http://achieveforms.liverpool.gov.uk/anon/fs.aspx/AchieveForms/Render%20Form/?Name=frm_Commenting_On_Planning_Applications

[Chris B]

i saw a unity style crane, white n all just around the moorfields area

Could be wrong, but I think that might be for the Hatton Garden development.

[Toadboy]

i went to see my nan in the royal and i went home via leeds street, the strand, otterspool etc and 1 word sums up what i saw. Awesome. there are developments everywhere. Manchester cannot keep up. i saw a unity style crane, white n all just around the moorfields area, i wondered if it was to do with st pauls sq but it was too far back, anyone no??

Sorry Westie but even with the pace of development we've got going we're still behind Manchester, way behind.

[westisbest]

:(

[Pietari]

Hope your Nan is feeling better soon Westie..... :)

[westisbest]

i no. she should be coming ut soon and going into a care home, she needs it as she can't look after her self. i noticed that there isn't much left on the beetham westie site. only a JCB

[scouserdave]

i no. she should be coming ut soon and going into a care home, she needs it as she can't look after her self. i noticed that there isn't much left on the beetham westie site. only a JCB

Sorry to read about your Nan Westie. It's a pity about having no option but to place her in a care home.

[westisbest]

thanks Dave

[westisbest]

looking around town today, liverpool is getting a good Residential market BUT i think we need a 35-40 storie office block with a big name company, or maybe a few companies. this will also light up the city at night with its lights:):chheers:

[Bachy Soletanche]

Sorry Westie but even with the pace of development we've got going we're still behind Manchester, way behind.

I went around downtown Liverpool for the first time in ages, and there is an increadable amount of building work going on, esp. the Paradise Street stuff and other "little" things around that area

[Toadboy]

There is Mr Robbo and it's not to be scoffed at, Manchester is an ambitious yardstick to compare to and though they still lead we're having a good fist of sorting our place out. The key for Liverpool is whether this spurt can be maintained and Paradise Street, Pall Mall, Whitechapel etc can be the kick start and not the end result.

[Dreamer]

A big tower would make sense, and if this was built first on the new business quater it would show that we can build and provide good modern and large offices. It would also make sense for smaller firms to move to these from converted houses so they can be returned to homes. I heard that the council want to do this around Hope street...

[Martin S]

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/7357/byromst18ma7kf.jpg

Thanks to Paul D for posting this rendering. I will get it on the Development Summary shortly.

I just think that it is what is needed in that area to balance the enormous bulk of the JM University building on the east side of Byrom Street. Of course, more buildings of the same height and higher would make it even better. Byrom Street would then begin to look like a city street rather than somewhere on the outskirts and it would accelerate the development of the Downtown area northward. A great urban alternative to those walled in bungalows of the Holy Cross estate.

[Lathom]

I just think that it is what is needed in that area to balance the enormous bulk of the JM University building on the east side of Byrom Street. Of course, more buildings of the same height and higher would make it even better. Byrom Street would then begin to look like a city street rather than somewhere on the outskirts and it would accelerate the development of the Downtown area northward. A great urban alternative to those walled in bungalows of the Holy Cross estate.

Another excellent feature of this proposal is that it will, to my knowledge, be the first post-2000 development (admittedly a refurbishment and change of use not a new building) to be demolished and superseded by new development. (Anyone know of another one?) The student flats on that site would have been seen quite recently as a step forward for the area from the previous defunct industrial use. With any luck it will be a harbinger of the fate of other recent developments like the Ibis/Formule 1 hotels and the Halifax building.

[Awayo]

^^ I'd like to see them have another go at Queen Square, or much of it, at least.

The hotel, refurbished Pearl Assurance Building and Observatory are good enough. The rest can go.

[Dreamer]

Has anyone noticed that Beers timber yard are moving as they are building a new site up near the dock road, so maybe their old premises are due to come down? does anyone know about this?

[Wirral]

surely with the city growing in all directions, this estate will dissapear, the first thing people see when they come out of the wallasey tunnel is that estate, along with the boarded up windows on the other side of the dual carriageway, next to the JMU Building.

[Gareth]

^^ I would like to think that it's only a matter of time. :yes:

[Wirral]

is the king edward tower dead and buried now? not heard anythin about it for nearly a year

[Liverdude]

Nothing apart from that small Residential Review article has been heard about this tower, but Martin G posted a few weeks ago that he was talking to a guy from Albany assets who told him a 50 storey tower is planned close to the two Beetham towers, maybe this is KE tower? Accy, no need to reply we know what your response will be! :)

I'd like to know what's happened to the Project X tower, supposedly to be the cities tallest building.

[woody]

I'd like to know what's happened to the Project X tower, supposedly to be the cities tallest building.

Thinking just the same, it was said to be submitted for approval " within 6 weeks" that was about 4 months back. Maybe this tower and the hinted at Albany tower , will just explode onto the front page of the Echo / Post just as Central Station and New World Sq. did a few weeks back. Its the way things work in this city, our much maligned Planning Dept seem better at keeping schemes secret than MI5. :)

[Wirral]

any renderings of either the project x tower or albany tower?

[Scarecrow]

They don't exist yet. Even if they did, read Woody's last post. :)

[westisbest]

Ive noticed there hasn't been any updates on page 1 of this thread, what do you people think will be a realistic height of Unity when it is finished

[westisbest]

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/3042/lplwaterfront25tm.jpg
With Westie, Unity(structuraly) and central complete

[achilles1]

by 2008 liverpool skyline will have one of the best clusters in the country, bethem west, alexander, clfts, unity, plus excisting buildings.6-8 20 storey buildings would beef that area right up. and one or two 50 storeys would make liverpool skyline kick the shit out of any other in britain. lets not forget catherdrals, 3 graces, raddio city.

[Toadboy]

Make no mistake, Malmaison, St Pauls Square and New World Square will add real bulk and depth to it as well even if they don't add height.

[Steve C]

Definately need some more bulk between City Lofts and the car park, Beetham west looks really exposed.

Some mid range blocks in front of it would set it off nicely. I think in rainforests the tall trees have what are called 'buttress' roots. Thats what beetham west needs

http://www.botany.hawaii.edu/faculty/webb/BOT410/Roots/Mangroves/ButtressRootsColor.jpg

Hopefully kings dock and maybe even brunswick will give the skyline more balance as well.

The future's bright :cheers:

[Toadboy]

Jesus friggin christ, has the Sunday lunchtime pint been replaced with Sunday afternoon LSD?

[achilles1]

liverpool could do with a huge land mark tower that is realy uniuqe in design either on the princess dock or a little further down.

[Dreamer]

What is the latest with Brunswick and Chieftan?, and are there any other proposals on the horizon?. We really need a new office tower no lower than 40 storeys for Liverpool to really become any sort of business mite.
At the end of Old Hall Street where the mirrored building is there are some pretty ugly and shitty buildings, surely they could build there?. It seams like everything has just slowed down, we need to keep the momentum going and really change things for good. I cant understand why the council are not more proactive, I read an artical on the Manchester Daily Post regarding the councils visit to NY, why doesnt our council go out shopping for new businesses and developments?!!!!!!!!!

[Chris B]

With regard to the mirrored building, I wonder what the future plans are for it. For those who don't know that building housed enough computers and other office equipment for the Littlewoods organisation to keep functioing in the event the JM Centre (Now Bruntwood) on Old Hall Street was out of action for anything up to a couple of weeks. The building itself doesn't actually have any windows - it's just breeze blocks behind the mirrors, and entering it is like steping back in time to a circa 1970's office - old computers, brown decor and the like. Pain to get inside though - even security had trouble getting us past the security turnstiles, when I went in there. Anyway now Littlewoods have sold the JM Centre I wonder what will happen to the mirrored building? Certainly make a nice plot of land for a tower. Beetham 3 anyone?

[westisbest]

Beetham North, Northisbest:) :cheers:

[westisbest]

16 Unity Building Residential 90.60 27 Residential None 2006 Under Construction
17 Beetham Tower Liverpool 90.00 27 Mixed None 2004 Complete
18 Alexandra Tower 88.00 27 Residential None 2007 Under Construction
19 Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral of Christ the King 87.00 - Place of Worship None 1967 Complete
20 Lime Street Gateway Tower 85.30 27 Residential Retail - Approved

[Dreamer]

Nice list West, but why? at the top of that list should be Old Hall Street Place, office tower 250m high, underconstruction!

[westisbest]

I was just pointing out the final heights for Unity and lime St

[Red scouser]

New interesting website...

http://www.liverpoolskyline.co.uk/

[westisbest]

http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/6676/lplwaterfront29yc.jpg
Latest pic from the Westie Database, now inlcuding Alexandra, new world sq, lime st and cheiftain plus updated BW

[JUXTAPOL]

Wow...Excellent future i see there.

[Paul D]

That's an excellent effort Westie,it'll look great wont it. :cheers:

[Yapachoo]

Very impressed Westie, I wouldnt know where to start with complex skyline renderings.

[liverpolitan]

Very impressed Westie, I wouldnt know where to start with complex skyline renderings.

I haven't seen you for ages Yapachoo, where have you been? Or is it me just not reading the right threads?

[liverpolitan]

Nice pic Westie, I think now I can see why there should be at least one or maybe a few tall buildings in the south of the centre, to balance the skyline.

[Toadboy]

Get Malmaison on you shoddy....Great work Westie, surely the planners can see the visual impact here and get carried away as well?

[Scarecrow]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38623000/jpg/_38623863_gerrard150.jpg
Scummy cunt. :rant:

[Awayo]

It appears to be the case that young Master Creevy is drunk again. :)

[Steve C]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38623000/jpg/_38623863_gerrard150.jpg
Scummy cunt. :rant:

I know, theres far too many cheating little foreigners in the game like him. I mean, Gerrard didn't even make contact with him yet he was wrything around in agony and his cheating subsequently made the FA give Gerrard a 3 match ban.

:runaway:

[Scarecrow]

Aye. 12 stitches in his leg. What a Scottish poof he is.....

[Scarecrow]

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/gallery/2005/05/18/gallery11.jpg

[Yapachoo]

I haven't seen you for ages Yapachoo, where have you been? Or is it me just not reading the right threads?


Been settling into uni Liverpolitan, I'm quite surprised by the amount of work they lay on in the first semester! I've been lurking too much considering I have essay deadlines but I haven't posted much because I haven't been to L'pool in weeks now. Can't wait to get back in Dec and be confronted with all the changes :cheers:

[westisbest]

O yappy, you will be impressed:)

[liverpolitan]

...but I haven't posted much because I haven't been to L'pool in weeks now

I never let that stop me. :wave:

[scouserdave]

New interesting website...

http://www.liverpoolskyline.co.uk/
Is this Andy Bonner's (Granada Reports) website? Not much on there at the moment, but good luck to anyone who bigs up Liverpool :cheers:

[Yapachoo]

True 'Poli, but if I'm not careful my degree will be going out the window! It's amazing how addictive SSC is.

Westy - can't wait to get back and walk round town and go out with old mates etc, Ed is a lovely city but it isn't a patch on L'pool IMO. Totally different atmospheres though I suppose.

Anyone got any recent pics of the reach BTW? Whenever I was in town I drove along Leeds street and saw it going up. Hopefully that scummy bit between the car showroom and the reach is being looked at as well.

[westisbest]

The Reach is huge, It is in the cladding process but it really looks the part

[Chris B]

Hopefully that scummy bit between the car showroom and the reach is being looked at as well.

Afraid not. I drove along there yesterday and that 'scummy bit', which I believe is a small industrial estate is still alive and kicking. The Reach is looking great though, really adding some much needed bulk to that area.

[Paul D]

Samuel Cunard (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16371764%26method=full%26siteid=50061%26headline=salute%2da%2dman%2dof%2dthe%2dsea%2dwith%2da%2dstatue-name_page.html) may be the next person to get a statue in Liverpool in a joint venture with Canada. :)

[General Zod]

Was the Billy Fury statue ever a reality ? His brother was campaigning for one for a while.

[Paul D]

Was the Billy Fury statue ever a reality ? His brother was campaigning for one for a while.

Yes that one is outside the museum of Liverpool life.

[General Zod]

Cheers Paul.

Are there any other famous Liverpool sons who need honouring in bronze ?

[Chris B]

^^

Yep, cover Storey and Henshaw head to toe in bronze, certainly stop anymore headbags at dawn ;)

[Doug Roberts]

Westy, post 207 brilliant it is really looking great!!

[Ste]

Dave - I thought the same - surely the news reporter off Granada Reports hasn't done a website on Liverpool's Skyline???

[westisbest]

Westy, post 207 brilliant it is really looking great!!

Thanks Doug, i have always been good at making renders for skylines, i did one for Manchester once, god forgive me

[woody]

Cheers Paul.

Are there any other famous Liverpool sons who need honouring in bronze ?

Sure are;...........Ken Dodd should be outside the VAT office
Cilla Black: in the Mersey Tunnel (Birkenhead side)
Bill Davis: UNDER chavasse Park, maybe his head could be on display in the MET Quarter
Derek Hatton: Middle of the river .


Just a few for starters, I`m sure we could park a statue on every street corner. :)

[Pietari]

Sure are;...........Ken Dodd should be outside the VAT office
Cilla Black: in the Mersey Tunnel (Birkenhead side)
Bill Davis: UNDER chavasse Park, maybe his head could be on display in the MET Quarter
Derek Hatton: Middle of the river .


Just a few for starters, I`m sure we could park a statue on every street corner. :)

Oh how rude, Ken Dodd and Cilla are legends - the rest erm? :)

[Blabbernsmoke]

Sure are;...........Ken Dodd should be outside the VAT office
Cilla Black: in the Mersey Tunnel (Birkenhead side)
Bill Davis: UNDER chavasse Park, maybe his head could be on display in the MET Quarter
Derek Hatton: Middle of the river .


Just a few for starters, I`m sure we could park a statue on every street corner. :)

lol :laugh:

[westisbest]

Its really starting to bug me the way you always hear on the radion or granada reports, "graig david, and whatevere other singers are on the MEN arena from the wotever to the wotever dates" i can't wait for our one to open and regian some pride and quality showings

[woody]

Westy, post 207 brilliant it is really looking great!!

Westy, absolutely stunning, what a talent ,cheers

[westisbest]

Thanks for all the positive comments

[General Zod]

Sure are;...........Ken Dodd should be outside the VAT office
Cilla Black: in the Mersey Tunnel (Birkenhead side)
Bill Davis: UNDER chavasse Park, maybe his head could be on display in the MET Quarter
Derek Hatton: Middle of the river .


Just a few for starters, I`m sure we could park a statue on every street corner. :)

We don't need bronze statues for all famous scousers. Just whack someones name on an old building or new development to save on bronze. Just like John Lennon Airport. Rank it in order of celebrity status. Paul McCartney Lime Street station, Cilla Black bus station and bint from Atomic kitten Queens square fag bin. Hmmmm, perhaps name the strand walkway after Neil Buchanan ? Or do they have to be dead before things can be named. Time for an 'Art' attack !

[Blabbernsmoke]

:laugh:

[westisbest]

I think i nice 30 story tower would go well on the site of the 051, i noticed quite a big orange and blue crane on the other side of the road to the 051, does anybody know what is going here?

[Toadboy]

Redevelop the 051 site and multi storey car park, replace the car parking spaces in a new development which will have ground floor retail and offices and/or a hotel facing Lewis's. On top of the lot build a boxing academy, a centre of excellence a finishing school for the ABAs from all over the UK and a place to host local, national and international events.

In Paul King we've got a local fella who could make it work, we should be exploiting our skills not losing them.

[Lathom]

I think i nice 30 story tower would go well on the site of the 051, i noticed quite a big orange and blue crane on the other side of the road to the 051, does anybody know what is going here?

Site 298 in LV's current Development Update, an apartment building (planning application dating from 2001 doesn't have details of size).

Agree the 051 corner would be a good site for a tower - it's a gateway location.

[westisbest]

On Martins downtown liverpool development summary updated on the 22/11 it says Unity is at the 23 level but on here, updated 14/10 it says 26 level, anybody know what its true amount is?

[Ste]

Planning has supposdely been approved for the tower on byrom street - so says the your move magazine. and work will begin when the current building has been demolished, probably after the acedemic year.

[Doug Roberts]

There has been a long detailed discussion for organisations in Liverpool with regard on how best to deal with access/crossing of King Eddy St, Strand and Wapping. Options such as bridges and underpasses were all considered but rejected, basically because people don't like them. An announcement will be made soon on the decision to go with "supercrossings" briefly these will be extra wide pavement areas for lots of people to cross together. The aim is to allow pedestrians to cross eg. the Strand, both carriageways in one go but to also build refuges in the centre reservation for pedestrian safety.

There will be 3/4 supercrossings installed at the most strategic locations with for example one at Canning Place to link Albert Dock area. there is to be one up at the Princes Dock end this will provide a pedestrian route across the footbridge over the dock and a 6 metre wide opening in the dock estate wall , I know it is a listed structure but negotiations are taking place to address this.

In all from what I've heard of the supercrossings plan I think it is a good idea and long overdue, get them built!!

[Gareth]

In other words, standard pedestrian crossings that are common place throughtout the world, just not in this country for some reason. :)

[Doug Roberts]

Yeah I suppose so, I remember being in Barcelona 3/4/ years ago and first noticing this type of crossing.

[Blabbernsmoke]

Cheers Doug.

It's about time they sorted the crossings out. Currently there are only two through the whole length of the road from Beetham 1 to police HQ. I usually can't be arsed walking all the way down the road to the next crossing and go for the 'chicken' option. It ain't nice getting to the middle of that race track and realising there is about 1 second before you are mowed down by a Hackney. I think they should use retractable barriers at these supr crossings- would provide the safety of a bridge or subway- without the steps, grafitti and stabbing hobos.

[maggie]

Planning has supposdely been approved for the tower on byrom street - so says the your move magazine. and work will begin when the current building has been demolished, probably after the acedemic year.
which one is the byrom street tower