Most people on the UK Forums have decided that in a few years Manchester will overtake Birmingham as the UK'S second best skyline, but are they ignoring Birmingham due to the sudden boom of highrise proposals in the northern city?

Are they forgetting that it will take Manchester along time to plug the gaps of thier skyline with mid-rises, which Birmingham has already completed and enhancing. They have many proposals, but are all of them realistic and guranteed to be built (Canopus, Eastgate) and finally is thier enough people and money for this growth to continue in Manchester?

Least we forget that Birmingham this year alone has a 122m(130m), 90-100m and numerous other mid-rises being and nearing completion.

Your thoughts :cheers:

Most people on the UK Forums have decided that in a few years Manchester will overtake Birmingham as the UK'S second best skyline, but are they ignoring Birmingham due to the sudden boom of highrise proposals in the northern city?

They're not ignoring anything. The simple fact of the matter is that Manchester currently has about two and a half times as many highrise proposals as Birmingham and about twice as many under construction. Even assuming some get cancelled, Manchester will still have more 150m+, more 100m-150m, more 50m-100m and a higher average height when they are complete. This was always going to happen due to the fact that Manchester is currently the fastest growing city in the UK outside London, is expected to benefit most from the Government 'Out of London' moves, has the second best transport infrastructure in the UK and has what will be one of the best universities in the world.

Are they forgetting that it will take Manchester along time to plug the gaps of thier skyline with mid-rises, which Birmingham has already completed and enhancing. They have many proposals, but are all of them realistic and guranteed to be built (Canopus, Eastgate) and finally is thier enough people and money for this growth to continue in Manchester?

Birmingham has a lot of buildings around 70-80m. Whilst this makes a good base for a skyline peaking at around 130m, you need more 100m+ buildings as the base to your skyline if you are aiming for taller heights. This is what Manchester is aiming for. Add a couple of 180m towers to Birmingham's skyline and the existing "skyline" will disappear overnight.

Least we forget that Birmingham this year alone has a 122m(130m), 90-100m and numerous other mid-rises being and nearing completion.

Manchester has more of these under construction right now than any other city apart from London and was already ahead of Birmingham in the 90m+ range to start with.

Manchester has more of these under construction right now than any other city apart from London and was already ahead of Birmingham in the 90m+ range to start with.

Did it?

Well, alot can happen in a short space of time, the answer in a year could be very different from what it is now.

With 171m Beetham over halfway, and the 188m Eastgate and 131m Crown Building approved in no time Manchester is embracing tall buildings, provided they are quality of course. Canopus is apparently going to/has been rejected and for that I'm glad, its crap.
I don't think Manc and Brum will ever have similar skylines. Brum will have a denser skyline with a few peaks that really stand out(Bt, AC, HCT) while Manc will have less density but more 500ft towers, though they will be quite spread out.

Don't forget though that Manc IS adding alot of density in some parts of the city. Eg. around the River Irwell and Spinningfields. Massive buildings like the Civil Justice Centre will add much needed bulk. The Chapel Wharf project(112m,60m,55m) will sit literally a few metres from the 60m Edge twin towers and the 80m North Tower. It's not upto Brum levels but it's a start.

Oh I didnt know Canopus had been rejected, are there any plans afoot to market a different style skyscraper on the land?

Really, Birmingham had the 152m BT Tower, The Sentinels and Alpha Tower.

The BT tower isn't a building. Should we include our BT Tower too? Or our radio masts? :laugh: Alpha is Birmingham's tallest building. CIS and City Tower in Manchester are both taller than it. We also have the lovely Arndale Tower. :)

Then when you look at towers being constructed over that height, Birmingham has Beetham. That's it. Manchester has the GN Tower at 90m, our lovely Beetham (that's 50m taller than yours ;)), the Inacity Tower at 188m that they've just begun selling apartments in, Crown Building which has planning permission and is due to being soon...

It's not even close.

Oh I didnt know Canopus had been rejected, are there any plans afoot to market a different style skyscraper on the land?

Yes and it's going to be scaled down! It'll be the 5th design for the site since 2001.

The best chance of a cluster for Manc will be at the left side of this image taken by Crush:
http://tinypic.com/4g572o

With Hardman Square, Manchester House, Whatever goes at Canopus and Chapel Wharf we will have a very dense area that might rival Brum. :cheers:

The BT tower isn't a building. Should we include our BT Tower too? Or our radio masts? :laugh: Alpha is Birmingham's tallest building. CIS and City Tower in Manchester are both taller than it. We also have the lovely Arndale Tower. :)

Then when you look at towers being constructed over that height, Birmingham has Beetham. That's it. Manchester has the GN Tower at 90m, our lovely Beetham (that's 50m taller than yours ;)), the Inacity Tower at 188m that they've just begun selling apartments in, Crown Building which has planning permission and is due to being soon...

It's not even close.

We won't include our BT Tower because it's 50m tall and 4 miles out of town!

The Gn Tower is only 72m to roof, the spire to 90m looks to have been dropped.

We won't include our BT Tower because it's 50m tall and 4 miles out of town!

I was extracting the proverbial...

Very dense indeed, would you call that Manchesters main urban concentration of skyscrapers?

Birmingham sort of has Westside, where HCT is situated and then I guess our Uptown would be Broad Street especially if Arena Central and the Tramps Tower take of in the near future.

Birmingham really needs something to plug the gap to the right of the city though, Hopefully something big at Post and Mail for the second phase would be nice and I guess Masshouse will add some much needed density to that area and again hopefully a decent size scraper at Snowhill.

Didnt GN tower have two more floors added at the last minute because the apartments were selling so well.

as for second city., when birmingham claimed this title in the fordist boom of the late fifties and 60's (look it up EB) it truly stood head and shoulders above, as did the west midlands region, the poorer regions of the north;

As you'll know, though, when Birmingham "claimed" this title, in doing so it took it from the city of Manchester which had suffered massive industrial decline. It was as much the decline of Manchester as the rise of Birmingham that led to this.

BY the way, EB, did you realise yet that Bham toen hall is a copy of a Classical Roman/Greco architecture and not Amercian Classical revivalism ????

Yes I did realise that. You copied the same thing the Americans did and made just as bad a job of it as they did.

The over-riding feeling one gets from Manchester is a city that is trying very very hard to promote itself and push itself forward. Great, I only wish Birmingham were more like this. Instead we amble along producing the odd morsel here and there. Birmingham is like a big gentle lioness, doesn't really have anything to prove but raise its shackles & you see the teeth. We're too easygoing here, too laid back. It can come as no suprise that the pushy upstart from the North grabs all the headlines and becomes intoxicated on its own publicity. Manchester is doing great for itself. Birmingham is still way ahead but for how long?...Albert Bore et al were great at one thing...a grand vision for this grand city. They are gone. What of the future? We deserve more. :)

Manchester is doing very well, as the Manchester forumers are always quick to point out, no one disputes this and its very good for them to be ahead of the game....only leeds is close to them and in this is good for those cities and the country

Birmingham at present suffers on two counts, its proximity to london and it still large manufacturing based which drags down the cities overall economic performance, this will take years to correct, other cities went throug this pain years ago, and are now reaping the benefits

good luck to manchester and leeds, but do not write birmingham off yet

as for second city., when birmingham claimed this title in the fordist boom of the late fifties and 60's (look it up EB) it truly stood head and shoulders above, as did the west midlands region, the poorer regions of the north; in major economic decline at the time
how things change and now the Northern regions perform better, but by no means by a greater margin as birmingham did in the sixties....and even after 25 years of major deindustrialisation manages to hold its own on many levels, so manchester cna gladly be second city, but not by much

(thats for early bird by the way, his knowledge of history is fuckin awful and he knows nothing about the context of his weak arguments, no doubt there will be a massive ream of facts and figures...but he cant dispute facts from the past)

BY the way, EB, did you realise yet that Bham toen hall is a copy of a Classical Roman/Greco architecture and not Amercian Classical revivalism ????

by the way last time i visited manchester i was very impressed with what i saw, architecturally they are way ahead of birmingham, in my opinion...but glasgow is the best in the uk....again my opinion

A few towers look to be missing from this picture, but as you can see to the left of it is Brum's westside, the main concentration of high-rises. City Gate tower (90m), HCT (122m), Sentinels (90m)x2, City Center Tower(76m), Orion (90m+), Orion 2(70m+), Postbox(85m+), Arena Central (140m+), Tramps Tower (130m+), Hyatt (75m), Alpha (100m), Westside (60m&50m) will all be located in this area.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/actualfuture.jpg

http://www.puffins-brixham.velnet.co.uk/nick/downtown.jpg

Then in the center you would have the Paradise Circus towers, I would actually guess that the mimiums height for each would be 100m as they want landmarks.

Hmm. This debate has got a lurker out. :)

I live in Birmingham but now spend more time in Manchester.

I have to say that Manchester is a nicer city, more pleasing on the eye and with a "big city" feel to it as you drive through. Theres loads of lovely buildings looking like they date from Victorian thru' the 20's or 30's and quite a nice "grid" road layout that gives it hints of an American city. Add the trams especially in Piccadilly square gives it a continental feel and Manchester has a lot of charm.

Once Manc have these new 'scrapers on board they are in a pretty good position to claim 2nd city.

I think Brum will creep back in the "walking the city streets" appeal once eastside rolls out and this is critical for Brum. If a few biguns heightwise can drop around the same time Brum might be able to stage a strong comeback in 4-5 years time?

one who lurks...but don't touch!

whats a lurker ??

One who lurks.

whats a lurker ??

A thread killer, who's really not from Birmingham.

In all honesty I'd say that Manchester reminds me of a Northern City which it is with a lot more of it's herritage retained and Birmingham much more American with it's 50's, 60's, 70's, and 80's concrete ring roads, subways and towers, Brum seems much more leafy as well although this may be my imagination, anyway well done to Manchester and wherever else, for persuing their visions, citizens of Birmingham are certainly living their dreams at the moment with some swanky towers going up, looking to the future we have plenty more to look forward to, personally I am well proud to be able to walk around Brum and show friends and relatives improvements in my home town, still plenty to achieve yet though. :)

so who is this lurker ???

so who is this lurker ???

Lilly Savage

Whore :sleepy:

EK, I agree with much that you write. Birmingham makes me very proud also, after all I'm old enough to remember Brindleyplace when there were factories on the site. Birmingham is indeed a very green city, though outside of the city how many folk think this? (Birmingham has more acres of parks and open space than any other UK city and Sutton Park is Europes largest National Nature Reserve). We seem to have loads of suburbs too, more than any other UK city outside of London. We just need to blow that bloody trumpet a bit more. I for one blow at every opportunity.. ;)

He means he's been viewing without signing up and posting.

How can he possibly be from brum if he appriciates manchester more....thats...thats just not possible. Death to him and to Jonesy and to Jerv who are from the midlands but appriciate Manchester more.

Birminghamculture, have you left your mums house yet or are you making opinions from pictures and hearsay?

Here is a very realistic skyline render by Kids in the Riot.
All proposals are very much in motion except the Vector Arena Tower which was a proposal for the last Olympic Bid.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/SKYLINEJOHNRIEDwithvectorcopy.jpg

Jerv, do you have a rabbit stuck up your ass or are you just being a tit for the hell of it.

Either way grow up and dont try and make this thread into a bitch fest like you always seem to do :cheers:

A thread killer, who's really not from Birmingham.

^ I'll grow up when you do.

So have you spent more than an afternoon in manchester?

Just asking seeing as you made such a pointless thread to bait EB

^ I'll grow up when you do.

So have you spent more than an afternoon in manchester?

Grow up? what have I done apart from call the Lurker, Lilly Savage? Hardly a criminal offence Jerv.

Yes I have, I have family from Lancashire and I often visit and head into Manchester when my duty doesnt call :cheers:

We seem to have loads of suburbs too, more than any other UK city outside of London. We just need to blow that bloody trumpet a bit more. I for one blow at every opportunity.. ;)

That's a load of rubbish really, seeing as Manchester's urban area is exactly the same size as Birmingham's, Manchester's metro area is larger than Birmingham's and the urban area and metro area of Manchester are growing faster.

That's a load of rubbish really, seeing as Manchester's urban area is exactly the same size as Birmingham's, Manchester's metro area is larger than Birmingham's and the urban area and metro area of Manchester are growing faster.

I bnet his cocks bigger too :)

That's a load of rubbish really, seeing as Manchester's urban area is exactly the same size as Birmingham's, Manchester's metro area is larger than Birmingham's and the urban area and metro area of Manchester are growing faster.


Is there no green belt around manchester ?? or is it the only city in the uk allowed special dispensation from this rule

Bet his cocks bigger to

which one? the one situated on his body or Jerv situated on his lap?

Alpha is Birmingham's tallest building.

Is this in a world where HCT doesn't exist or something. You should really try and get your facts straight before typing anything.

And just becasue Manchester's metro area is bigger doesn't mean it has more suburbs than B'ham.

i was not aware it was actually bigger, he prob means greater manchester, i believe it covers a greater area, but birmingham's is a solid block where as greater mancs is spread out

I am sure he will now correct me if i am wrong, or even better if it does not fit his skewed view of the world

Is this in a world where HCT doesn't exist or something. You should really try and get your facts straight before typing anything.

HCT is still under construction, as is Manchester's Beetham tower. I didn't include anything under construction in the list. Maybe you should get your facts straight. :)

And just becasue Manchester's metro area is bigger doesn't mean it has more suburbs than B'ham.

I never said it did. Manchester has at least as many though. This is dictated by the fact it's urban area is the same size.

i was not aware it was actually bigger, he prob means greater manchester, i believe it covers a greater area, but birmingham's is a solid block where as greater mancs is spread out

I am sure he will now correct me if i am wrong, or even better if it does not fit his skewed view of the world

A metro area has mothing to do with size or how conurbated it is. A metro area is to do with areas of population where a certain percentage commute. Manchester's MSA is 3.2 million compared to 2.8 million for Birmingham.

But Earlybird HCT has reached its full height, it isnt gonna get any bigger or smaller :sleepy:

What difference does whether it's going to get bigger or not make? It's not like our Beetham is more at risk of collapsing on itself than yours is. Neither can be lived in therefore neither is complete. BTW, did you know that our Beetham should be taller than yours within the next couple of weeks?

Is there no green belt around manchester ?? or is it the only city in the uk allowed special dispensation from this rule

Green belt can be built on as long as an area of at least equal size elsewhere replaces it, assuming the Government give permission for it.

sorry I am not aware of the lingo use on Marketing Manchesters website, is that real measurement or one of there famous made up FACTS .....like I said skewed view of the world

But Earlybird HCT has reached its full height, it isnt gonna get any bigger or smaller :sleepy:

HCT has topped out and so should be included.

IMO, Manchester is over hyped
and Birmingham is ignored too much.

Don't be so pedantic. :) HCT is there, it exists, it is a building.

No, a building is a structure which is inhabitable. Legally HCT cannot be inhabited (though people can enter it) therefore it is a structure like BT Tower or CN Tower. By the same token, though, Manchester's Beetham tower also exists and is there, therefore we should count that too. It'll be taller than HCT in a couple of weeks.

how many suburbs has manchester got BTW, thst the city, not the whole of lanchashire and wherever else you class as Manchester nowaday (maybe Liverpool)

god i need to watch more TV x

IMO, Manchester is over hyped
and Birmingham is ignored too much.

:rofl: That's just funny. Maybe there are good reasons for Manchester getting hype and Birmingham not.

Don't be so pedantic. :) HCT is there, it exists, it is a building.

For God's sake, HCT is obviously Birmingham's tallest now.

So, the best city is now defined by who has more suburbs and whose non-existant buildings are taller.

And EBs cock isn't bigger, but I'll bet it's growing faster too :)

:rofl: That's just funny. Maybe there are good reasons for Manchester getting hype and Birmingham not.

several friends of mine moved there, and have since moved back...maybe they believed the hype and then realised that theres not much difference

apart from arrogant locals !!

which one? the one situated on his body or Jerv situated on his lap?

Another master of the argument strikes a fatal blow. You might notice I only reply spitefully on this forum to those considered thick cunts who go gobshiting and making stupid threads.

Birmingham at present suffers on two counts, its proximity to london and it still large manufacturing based which drags down the cities overall economic performance, this will take years to correct, other cities went throug this pain years ago, and are now reaping the benefits



the seond one is pretty much a myth. bielduct posted figures on it a hwhile ago -theres isnt much between Manchester and birminghm int emrs of manufactruing deppendence.

ialso think proximity to london is a mssive plus nto a minus. What it need its to convince proecott to ignore mK and concentret on links between Brum and london.


Oh and since there's a mini-consensus here. I also very much like Manchester- before I moved here I knew it much better than Birmingahm - but I prefer Brum in almost every way, albeit not by much.

the seond one is pretty much a myth. bielduct posted figures on it a hwhile ago -theres isnt much between Manchester and birminghm int emrs of manufactruing deppendence.

It's not a myth though. A larger portion of Manchester's manufacturing base is in "high tech" pharmaceuticals, biotech and the like, whereas more of Birmingham's is your traditional manufacturing base. Manchester has the highest percentage of high tech manufacturing out of the "big 5", though some smaller places have higher percentages. Whilst it's technically manufacturing, it's not the part of the sector that is declining.

i meant birmingham relies on manufacturing more, ie its economic base is not quite as diversified as other regions, i am sure EB has some facts to back me up regards Manchester ..... you can't deny the midlands and birmingham are losing jobs hand over fist at the moment, everytime I pick up a paper more jobs are being lost, specifically in manufacturing reloacting abroad...and some services too x I was led to believe Birmingham was in a much weaker position than many other UK cities, due to its larger proportion of manufacturing ??? thus explaining its poorer performance compared to Mancs, Leeds etc etc

if thats wrong, then the city needs a rocket up the arse

This thread is pure troll fodder. Earlybird - don't make yourself sick now, will you? ;)

For what its worth I think when Eastside starts coming together you will see a step change in perception of the city and the types of development it will promote. I never cease to be impressed with the ambition of it all and how immactulately planned out it is. Birmingham has also had to carefully build its way out of some of the worst post war planning this country has seen which is no mean feat and is something that other cities have not had to deal with to the same extent. So no I don't necessarily think Manchester is pulling away although the way both cities approach their respective development is quite different.

I think one major factors in Manchester's favour over recent years apart from quite a progressive council (not without its faults though!) is the strength in depth of pioneering local developers and architects. Its something that I just don't see to the same extent outside of London with perhaps the exception of Glasgow. It is pioneers such as these that can turn around the most unpromising sites that many national firms wouldn't look at twice... and with quite spectacular end results.

yes I know that's what you meant and its close to beign a myth- from memeory it does have a slightly larger manufacturing base.

you seem to be under the impression that Birmingahm is doign a lot worse than Manchester and leeds econocially. Again that isnt true. Leeds GDP is growing thre fastest of the three and Burm marginally the slowest but none of them are doing that well when compared to the SE or Bristol and none of them are doing that badly whn compared to say the NE or even Merseyside.

Funnyily enough bileduct has posted the figures on this as well

i guess i believe the manchester hype too !!!

i meant birmingham relies on manufacturing more, ie its economic base is not quite as diversified as other regions,


yes I know that's what you meant and its close to beign a myth- from memeory it does have a slightly larger manufacturing base.

you seem to be under the impression that Birmingahm is doign a lot worse than Manchester and leeds econocially. Again that isnt true. Leeds GDP is growing thre fastest of the three and Burm marginally the slowest but none of them are doing that well when compared to the SE or Bristol and none of them are doing that badly whn compared to say the NE or even Merseyside.

Funnyily enough bileduct has posted the figures on this as well

I would say that Manchester is ahead in terms of development... but really not by that much.

While Manchester does indeed have taller proposals, Birmingham is trying to get rid of it's bad reputation by developing large swaths of land (ie. East Side) into livable and comfortable urban environments. Despite Manchester getting the tallelr buildings, I still consider B'ham to be more urban and american like.

And who knows, Birmingham still has several major projects on the drawing boards that can still mature into tall additions to the skyline.

I still consider B'ham to be more urban and american like.

Is that a joke? Out of all the world cities, American cities are the ones you want to be LEAST like if you're aiming for urbanity.

And who knows, Birmingham still has several major projects on the drawing boards that can still mature into tall additions to the skyline.

And Manchester has masterplans that we still don't have details for but that had highrises in the plan.

A thread killer, who's really not from Birmingham.

I live in Moseley m8. I own a house here so its in my interest that Brum comes out on top, which I dont believe it is at the moment. Although it is doing very well and looks miles better than it did 16 years ago (when I first moved to Brum), Manc is doing even better.

Bit insulted you calling me a thread killer. This is my honest opinion as someone who knows both cities very well. You are of course also entitled to your point of view, but dont make me get my handbag out :) I wasnt really intending falling out with my fellow brummies as I only really read the Brummie section of this site, as Brum is where I live. Only lately have I succombed to the darkside and started reading the Manc section. :nono:

I think you can argue backwards and forwards between Manchester and Birmingham all you like, the two have very different structures, topography, political administration, greater urban areas, design strategies, planning, history, urban legacy, etc.

In some indicators Birmingham can outrump Manchester, in others Manchester has the lead. It is very difficult to compete when there are such underlying difficulties. Think of the Greater Birmingham plans and the suspicion and derision shown by other authorities in the planned area for example.

What I would hope for, in my bird's singing blue sky world, is a move by ODPM and council's and regional bodies to work together on supporting urban regeneration and to harness each cities differing potential and opportunities. Birmingham's fixation with being second city does it no favours; second city to London, we cant possibly compete with such a global city. In Germany Frankfurt is regarded as a financial centre while Berlin is the capital and other cities are sporting or cultural centres.

Simply looking at a map of the UK shows the proximity of Birmingham to Manchester and to London. There are opportunities with this proximity for economic development, transport enhancement and a move to make cities for people. Sadly without planning and genuine passion, mixed with a bit of natural competition, we are likely to experience further problems we need to redress in the future.

A metro area has mothing to do with size or how conurbated it is. A metro area is to do with areas of population where a certain percentage commute. Manchester's MSA is 3.2 million compared to 2.8 million for Birmingham.

How did we get onto metro size?

The West Midlands area traditionaly is an area of higher production and GDP magnitude than the north. When the focus of Birmingham redevelopment shift from basic reconstruction projects such as EastSide to highrises it's going to leave miles behind Manchester and the rest. That's the one and only reality. If earlyBird wants to have illusions its his problem.


BirminghamCulture the guy apparently is a wacko, just tell him to f... off and go back to Manchester Metro Area.

People often forget that with Manchesters huge landmark highrise proposals, there are also a hell of a lot of midrise proposals from 12-20-storeys. And some of these (like the Green Quarter) cover massive areas.

People often forget that with Manchesters huge landmark highrise proposals, there are also a hell of a lot of midrise proposals from 12-20-storeys. And some of these (like the Green Quarter) cover massive areas.

Oh no doubt about it, Manchester have numerous midrise proposals, but its hard to get a concept of what they would achieve on the skyline, mainly because us brummies have very little idea of where the hell there being built :)

This thread is for people of BIRMINGHAM is not a City VS City thread. Citizens of BIRMINGHAM discussing about their city in comparison with another one. I'm reading the last 30 posts and 20 of them are EarlyBird's. No one asked you you twat go back to Manchester or City VS City Forum.

:bash: :bash:

That's a load of rubbish really, seeing as Manchester's urban area is exactly the same size as Birmingham's, Manchester's metro area is larger than Birmingham's and the urban area and metro area of Manchester are growing faster.
...It is not rubbish. Birmingham as a city has more suburbs than Manchester as a city. I am not concerning myself with urban areas, I am discussing cities. Then again, it is obvious why Birmingham should have more suburbs. It is a bigger city. Glad we got that sorted. :)

The West Midlands area traditionaly is an area of higher production and GDP magnitude than the north. When the focus of Birmingham redevelopment shift from basic reconstruction projects such as EastSide to highrises it's going to leave miles behind Manchester and the rest. That's the one and only reality. If earlyBird wants to have illusions its his problem.


BirminghamCulture the guy apparently is a wacko, just tell him to f... off and go back to Manchester Metro Area.

Do you forget that the richest area in the UK is in Manchester's metro? And that the second richest area in the UK outside London is also in Manchester? You act like Eastside is some major, massive reconstruction project. I concede, it's quite big, but it's no bigger than the Southern Gateway masterplan in Manchester for example. The simple fact of the matter is that RIGHT NOW there are £12 billion of ongoing construction projects in Manchester compared to £8 billion in Birmingham (that's things that are actually being built right now) and has an extra £14 billion in planning, excluding the parts of developments we've not been given details of yet.

The simple fact of the matter is that Manchester's got a higher GDP and a higher GVA than Birmingham, has a faster growing city, passed Birmingham for population late 2002/early 2003 and now has the distinction of being nominated the UK's best city! :)

Soul_13, you really do have a problem with Manchester. The simple fact of the matter is that it's the best the UK has to offer.

This thread is for people of BIRMINGHAM is not a City VS City thread. Citizens of BIRMINGHAM discussing about their city in comparison with another one. I'm reading the last 30 posts and 20 of them are EarlyBird's. No one asked you you twat go back to Manchester or City VS City Forum.

I'm going nowhere. If you don't want to read it then go read a different thread. :)

...It is not rubbish. Birmingham as a city has more suburbs than Manchester as a city. I am not concerning myself with urban areas, I am discussing cities. Then again, it is obvious why Birmingham should have more suburbs. It is a bigger city. Glad we got that sorted. :)

The urban area IS the city. That is what a city is.

city

n: a large and densely populated urban area; may include several independent administrative districts; "Ancient Troy was a great city" [syn: metropolis, urban center]

In terms of urban area, Manchester has been the larger city since late 2002/early 2003. It's not like Manchester's skyline stops at the Irwell just because some politician decided to draw a boundary there. :laugh:

This thread is for people of BIRMINGHAM is not a City VS City thread. Citizens of BIRMINGHAM discussing about their city in comparison with another one.

How is it just for BIRMINGHAM people? What kind of attitude is that? People who aren't from Birmingham aren't allowed to post in this subforum are they? :bash:

This thread is for people of BIRMINGHAM is not a City VS City thread. Citizens of BIRMINGHAM discussing about their city in comparison with another one. I'm reading the last 30 posts and 20 of them are EarlyBird's. No one asked you you twat go back to Manchester or City VS City Forum.
All forums except the staff forum are public. You cant expect to start a thread as provocative as this and then no one from Manchester to respond. This thread shouldnt even be here. Its a city v city thread in all but name and should be in the City Talk forum.

Quite right. I want people from all over the place to be able to discuss issues in each and every forum. I'm not gonna get into another urban/administrative area debate. I believe a city ends at the city boundary and you dont thats all. Birmingham has more suburbs within its city boundary than Manchester. Manchester has not overtaken Birmingham in terms of population. City boundaries my friend..remember.

OK lads, can we just agree on one thing then: that EarlyBird is a twazzock?

City boundaries my friend..remember.

city

n: a large and densely populated urban area; may include several independent administrative districts; "Ancient Troy was a great city" [syn: metropolis, urban center]

As you can see, an urban area is a city so the city boundary is where the urban area ends. Unless of course you wish to count London as a city of 8,000 people. Simple fact: Manchester is the second largest city in the UK by an estimated 5,000 people in 2004.

Dictionaries dont lie ;)

OK lads, can we just agree on one thing then: that EarlyBird is a twazzock?

:applause:

This thread were alreet till he got here!! :)

Thats for the City

City GDP/Capita

London £29,090
Edinburgh £24,052
Glasgow £21,905
Bristol £20,219
Leeds £17,592
Birmingham £15,155
Manchester £14,489
Newcastle £14,077
Liverpool £11,307

And thats for the Metropolitan County

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And because I know what's gonna be your answer there are not complete GVA GVP statistics concerning the Metropolitan Areas because there are not both of them measured yet.


So as I said The West Midlands area traditionaly is an area of higher production and GDP magnitude than the north. When the focus of Birmingham redevelopment shift from basic reconstruction projects such as EastSide to highrises it's going to leave miles behind Manchester and the rest. That's the one and only reality. If earlyBird wants to have illusions its his problem.

Thats for the City

City GDP/Capita

London £29,090
Edinburgh £24,052
Glasgow £21,905
Bristol £20,219
Leeds £17,592
Birmingham £15,155
Manchester £14,489
Newcastle £14,077
Liverpool £11,307

No, that's for a single local authority, not for the city. The city is the urban area. As you've been told before. Manchester City Council's local authority doesn't include half of the city centre, it doesn't include Salford Quays and it doesn't include Trafford Park (Europe's largest industrial park). If you go off the entire urban area (rather than an arbitrary political boundary) Manchester has a GDP higher than that of Birmingham. I showed you the figures in another thread and I'm not wasting my time posting them again for you to just not bother reading the sources it cites again.

And thats for the Metropolitan County

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And because I know what's gonna be your answer there are not complete GVA GVP statistics concerning the Metropolitan Areas because there are not both of them measured yet.

Once again, as I said metropolitan counties are arbitrary political boundaries. If you go off Manchester's metro area compared to Birmingham's you'll see that Manchester's metro includes the Cheshire belt which is the richest place in the whole of the UK. Your political boundary excludes this. Once again, based on metro area Manchester has a higher GDP.

Also, GVA for both metropolitan counties and cities has been measured (by ONS no less) and Manchester came out higher in both. It also comes out higher for GVA in terms of urban area and metro area. Again, I showed you the figures for this too, but you choose not to look at the actual sources so I'm not wasting my time again.

Stop quoting meaningless boundaries to make yourself feel better. The people that live in and around both cities don't concern themselves with these boundaries so why should you base the statistics on them?

So as I said The West Midlands area traditionaly is an area of higher production and GDP magnitude than the north. When the focus of Birmingham redevelopment shift from basic reconstruction projects such as EastSide to highrises it's going to leave miles behind Manchester and the rest. That's the one and only reality. If earlyBird wants to have illusions its his problem.

And as I said, the West Midlands urban area and Birmingham metro have lower GDP and GVA figures. Manchester has more money, more construction, more new jobs, more new facilities... the list is endless. Why do you think Manchester gets a decent tram network and Birmingham gets screwed over? You think it's because Birmingham's such a good city it doesn't need one? No, it's because the Government is investing in the cities they want to take the UK forward into the next century.

Birmingham is being left on the sidelines.

:applause:

He always seems to get into "My city's got no faults and yours is shit" state of mind, which is very ignorant. not only that but he has an obsession with bloody boundaries.

Everyone knows Birmingham is the larger populated city, how hard is it to acknowledge that?

city

n: a large and densely populated urban area; may include several independent administrative districts; "Ancient Troy was a great city" [syn: metropolis, urban center]

By this definition of a city Manchester is larger. How hard can it be to acknowledge THAT?

TWAT!

OK lads, can we just agree on one thing then: that EarlyBird is a twazzock?

:applause:

He always seems to get into "My city's got no faults and yours is shit" state of mind, which is very ignorant. not only that but he has an obsession with bloody boundaries.

Everyone knows Birmingham is the larger populated city, how hard is it to acknowledge that?

EarlyBird - 5000 posts of tripe. Take an average of 100 words per post (he does bang on) and that's 500,000 words. You could have written a book EB.

A crap book of course, but at least it's something to talk about. Something other than GVPFGE figures for the OPDHEGOSUY for GMAFHEW council strato gum gum gum HWODWH graph graph YARBLOCKOES.

Talk about something else!!

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Please!

Just mention the football or the news or something and I'll buy you a pint next time I'm up in your little poxhole ;)

and shove it up your arse you ignorant fucker...!!!

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I bet your Mrs/Boyfriend/Partner finds you enthralling Earlbird and I just bet your the life and soul of any party "did I ever tell you the difference between the Manchester and Birmingham boundaries Blah Blah ........" ZZZZZZZZZZZ.

No one is interested, no one cares, the Brummies on here respect the Mancs and the Mancs respect the Brummies but no one respects you because you talk utter utter bollocks, NOW DO ONE you Ejjit.

No, that's for a single local authority, not for the city. The city is the urban area. As you've been told before. Manchester City Council's local authority doesn't include half of the city centre, it doesn't include Salford Quays and it doesn't include Trafford Park (Europe's largest industrial park). If you go off the entire urban area (rather than an arbitrary political boundary) Manchester has a GDP higher than that of Birmingham. I showed you the figures in another thread and I'm not wasting my time posting them again for you to just not bother reading the sources it cites again.



Once again, as I said metropolitan counties are arbitrary political boundaries. If you go off Manchester's metro area compared to Birmingham's you'll see that Manchester's metro includes the Cheshire belt which is the richest place in the whole of the UK. Your political boundary excludes this. Once again, based on metro area Manchester has a higher GDP.

Also, GVA for both metropolitan counties and cities has been measured (by ONS no less) and Manchester came out higher in both. It also comes out higher for GVA in terms of urban area and metro area. Again, I showed you the figures for this too, but you choose not to look at the actual sources so I'm not wasting my time again.

Stop quoting meaningless boundaries to make yourself feel better. The people that live in and around both cities don't concern themselves with these boundaries so why should you base the statistics on them?



And as I said, the West Midlands urban area and Birmingham metro have lower GDP and GVA figures. Manchester has more money, more construction, more new jobs, more new facilities... the list is endless. Why do you think Manchester gets a decent tram network and Birmingham gets screwed over? You think it's because Birmingham's such a good city it doesn't need one? No, it's because the Government is investing in the cities they want to take the UK forward into the next century.

Birmingham is being left on the sidelines.


its simpy because Manchester has a more ffective lobbying machine when it come to getting cash from central government

bit like being a better beggar really

its simpy because Manchester has a more ffective lobbying machine when it come to getting cash from central government

bit like being a better beggar really

Not how our good friend John Prescott put it...

"If we're going to maintain an edge going into the 21st century we need to make serious investments in the infrastructure of our leading cities, cities which will be the driving force behind Britains economic growth for many years to come."

Funny how Manchester is getting more of that investment than Birmingham isn't it. :)

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ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Oh sorry must of nodded off for a momement was you saying something earlybird.

I seem to remember John Prescott told an audience in Manchester it was now the 2nd city

I know he did. It was well publicised. :)

a week later he told an audience in Birmingham that it was in fact the s2nd city and Manchester was not

Got a source for this? Nobody else seems to have heard of it. :)

lets play a game!! take a fact, twist it round and make it fit into my own narrow view of the world....you evidently know nothing about Politics either

I seem to remember John Prescott told an audience in Manchester it was now the 2nd city

a week later he told an audience in Birmingham that it was in fact the s2nd city and Manchester was not

so EB, best not quote Prescott, he's as full of sh@t as you

well maybe they dont report facts in the Manchester Evening News........

TWAT

John Prescott's remarks about Manchester were in the national press too. You seem to have heard about them as well. I've never heard of him saying it about Birmingham. In fact, the only mention I've heard of the "second city" thing was Tony Blair saying Manchester was second city at a recent conference in the city. Got a source you can cite for your claim he said it about Birmingham? :)

well maybe they dont report facts in the Manchester Evening News........

TWAT

You lot should just ignore EB,,,Most of the Manchester forumers already do,and EB i have a question do you ever get bored hearing yourself muttering about boundries,size,and the usual shit that you spuke out every fucking day,because we all do.

well unfortunetly I dont record his speeches of the TV, so no, but why dont you write to his office and clear up the confusion for us xx and settle this argument once and for all

:laugh: He never said it on TV. How do I know? Because all of his speeches are on one or other of the Government's web sites, depending on where he made them! The simple fact of the matter is that it's the opinion of the Prime Minister, the Deputy Prime Minister and the people of the UK that Manchester is second city. :)

Earlybird, you're doing my head in. Go away will you.

You lot should just ignore EB,,,Most of the Manchester forumers already do,and EB i have a question do you ever get bored hearing yourself muttering about boundries,size,and the usual shit that you spuke out every fucking day,because we all do.

No, but I get bored of reading your comma-infested rubbish. I've yet to see you actually contribute something somewhere other than insult people.

Earlybird, you're doing my head in. Go away will you.

If you don't want to read it then don't open the thread. I'm as entitled to air my opinion as the next person.

well unfortunetly I dont record his speeches of the TV, so no, but why dont you write to his office and clear up the confusion for us xx and settle this argument once and for all

yeah am bored uni has finished and my bf is away......guess it would be more productive to go and have wank x

And as I said, the West Midlands urban area and Birmingham metro have lower GDP and GVA figures. Manchester has more money, more construction, more new jobs, more new facilities... the list is endless. Why do you think Manchester gets a decent tram network and Birmingham gets screwed over? You think it's because Birmingham's such a good city it doesn't need one? No, it's because the Government is investing in the cities they want to take the UK forward into the next century.

If you go off Manchester's metro area compared to Birmingham's you'll see that Manchester's metro includes the Cheshire belt which is the richest place in the whole of the UK. Your political boundary excludes this. Once again, based on metro area Manchester has a higher GDP.Also, GVA for both metropolitan counties and cities has been measured (by ONS no less) and Manchester came out higher in both.

The government publish stats for the city bundaries and the Metropolitan County bountaries. In both of them BIRMINGHAM IS HIGHER AS YOU CAN SEE.

OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT ECONOMIC Stats for metropolitan areas DO NOT EXIST.

So again as I Said:

So as I said The West Midlands area traditionaly is an area of higher production and GDP magnitude than the north. When the focus of Birmingham redevelopment shift from basic reconstruction projects such as EastSide to highrises it's going to leave miles behind Manchester and the rest. That's the one and only reality. If earlyBird wants to have illusions its his problem.

For the love of <insert deity of choice>, make it end...

You guys go trolling for EB, and then you complain when he bites. You're as bad as him, if not worse.

The government publish stats for the city bundaries and the Metropolitan County bountaries. In both of them BIRMINGHAM IS HIGHER AS YOU CAN SEE.

OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT ECONOMIC Stats for metropolitan areas DO NOT EXIST.

So again as I Said:

So as I said The West Midlands area traditionaly is an area of higher production and GDP magnitude than the north. When the focus of Birmingham redevelopment shift from basic reconstruction projects such as EastSide to highrises it's going to leave miles behind Manchester and the rest. That's the one and only reality. If earlyBird wants to have illusions its his problem.

And as I said, based on CITY and METROPOLITAN COUNTY boundaries Manchester has a higher GVA. As all economists know, GVA is more important to the wealth of the populus than GDP. These boundaries, however, are meaningless. Whilst it is true that the Government itself does not draw GDP or GVA for urban areas or metro areas, the wards within each are readily available, as are ward-level GDP and GVA figures. It doesn't take a genius to do a weighted average.

For both urban area and metro area Manchester is higher for GDP and GVA. For your meaningless political boundaries Manchester is higher for the more important GVA figure.

If you want to believe Birmingham is doing well, you continue to believe it, but don't be shocked when it drops of the chart.

Why was it trolling for EB though. I'm sure if he hadn't arrived there could have been a discussion about Manchester's current skyscraper proposal boom, and whether Birmingham would come out of its shell, and if not, why not. Just because something mentions Brum and Manc doesn't mean it has to be a slanging match... except for when tartface gets involved that is.

I hope his face peels off.

Why was it trolling for EB though. I'm sure if he hadn't arrived there could have been a discussion about Manchester's current skyscraper proposal boom, and whether Birmingham would come out of its shell, and if not, why not. Just because something mentions Brum and Manc doesn't mean it has to be a slanging match... except for when tartface gets involved that is.

I started off talking about nothing but skyscrapers and the reasons I felt Manchester had more at present. It was a Brummie (brum2003) who started off the whole second city stuff.

I hope his face peels off.

How constructive and mature.

Blunther its funny you should say that actually, Because I also heard Earlybird was after a new face ... Yeh, Its true! apparently King Kong wants his arse back.

Oh and Earlybird, "La La" always wants his brain back.

:ohno: It's no wonder Brummies have the reputation they do.

Blunther its funny you should say that actually, Because I also heard Earlybird was after a new face ... Yeh, Its true! apparently King Kong wants his arse back.

Oh and Earlybird, "La La" also wants his brain back.

:blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah:

Remind me to be bothered next time :cheers:

Will do.

And EB, can you please stop going back in time? Thanks :)

Why was it trolling for EB though. I'm sure if he hadn't arrived there could have been a discussion about Manchester's current skyscraper proposal boom, and whether Birmingham would come out of its shell, and if not, why not. Just because something mentions Brum and Manc doesn't mean it has to be a slanging match... except for when tartface gets involved that is.
Bollocks... this thread was started to completely slag off Manchester. I was amazed when some Brum forumers told the Manc forumers to 'get out of our forum'. I'm quite sure that Brum forumers would want to defend their city if their was a slag off brum thread in the Manc forum.
Birmingham forumers complain about EB, but you dont half have your own fair share of trolls :ohno:

:ohno: It's no wonder Brummies have the reputation they do.

:blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah:

Remind me to be bothered next time :cheers:

Bollocks... this thread was started to completely slag off Manchester. I was amazed when some Brum forumers told the Manc forumers to 'get out of our forum'. I'm quite sure that Brum forumers would want to defend their city if their was a slag off brum thread in the Manc forum.
Birmingham forumers complain about EB, but you dont half have your own fair share of trolls :ohno:

Also, anyone disagree, Accura is a total dangleberry?

Bog of back to scouser land and thieve some bread, you 3rd rate spongers.

:ohno: <sarcasm>How dare people contradict the Brummies. Anyone who dares do so must obviously be some evil person worthy of nothing but abuse.</sarcasm>

Bog of back to scouser land and thieve some bread, you 3rd rate spongers.

It's the way you tell 'em.

Also, anyone disagree, Accura is a total dangleberry?

I disagree. Our Prestonian pet is a nice guy.

Bollocks... this thread was started to completely slag off Manchester. I was amazed when some Brum forumers told the Manc forumers to 'get out of our forum'. I'm quite sure that Brum forumers would want to defend their city if their was a slag off brum thread in the Manc forum.
Birmingham forumers complain about EB, but you dont half have your own fair share of trolls :ohno:

How?

It was posted in the Brum forum, about how Manchester has an awful lot of proposals but is Birmingham just waiting to strike back or is that it.

How do you make your conclusion! Bog of back to scouser land and thieve some bread, you 3rd rate spongers.

Manchester has bigger tits than Birmingham etc.

I dunno, I've seen some pretty big brummie tits. Several of them seem to be posting in this thread.

How constructive and mature.

Indeed.

Bollocks... this thread was started to completely slag off Manchester. I was amazed when some Brum forumers told the Manc forumers to 'get out of our forum'. I'm quite sure that Brum forumers would want to defend their city if their was a slag off brum thread in the Manc forum.
Birmingham forumers complain about EB, but you dont half have your own fair share of trolls

The first post just mentioned that MAnchester has a long way to go at the moment in the skyline stakes (which, in my opinion, it does - it may have the taller buildings, but they're a long way away from each other, and the bit on their tallest which makes it taller than any of ours is a concrete stick...) before it catches up with Brum. His opinion, and my opinion too. No offence to Manc 'cos it's a fine city.

But EB seems to have something built into his robotic brain that senses the word Manchester, and once he posts in a thread, you know what's gonna happen. Of course the Brum forum isn't just for brummies. It's always nice to hear the opinions of others. But it's about Birmingham, not just about how Manchester has more bins than Birmingham, Manchester has less bespectacled people than Birmingham, Manchester has bigger tits than Birmingham etc.

Manchester has bigger tits?

:(

On average Brummies are two cup sizes smaller than Mancs (except the men who are two cup sizes larger). :jk:

Manchester has bigger tits?

:(

And how many sexual transmitted diseases have you got?

Earlybird has everyone in the book, including a new one which not even the doctors have discovered

"Oh no... he said something bad about Birmingham. Quick... insult... insult!!! INSULT!!!"

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Originally Posted by Angel of the North
Bollocks... this thread was started to completely slag off Manchester. I was amazed when some Brum forumers told the Manc forumers to 'get out of our forum'. I'm quite sure that Brum forumers would want to defend their city if their was a slag off brum thread in the Manc forum.
Birmingham forumers complain about EB, but you dont half have your own fair share of trolls



How?

It was posted in the Brum forum, about how Manchester has an awful lot of proposals but is Birmingham just waiting to strike back or is that it.

How do you make your conclusion! Bog of back to scouser land and thieve some bread, you 3rd rate spongers.

Don't be a thick cunt Brumculture.

Angel of the Nob is Accura and even if he lived in Southport he wouldn't be a Scouser - tres Lancashire around those parts.

And he were a Scouser he wouldn't deserve your thick as pigshit bigotted attack on his Scouseness. Oh yes, you think he's a scouser so spout shit about crime and sponging. Stupid bastard. I don't think you're being cunt because you're Brummie. I think you're a cunt because you're acting like a cunt.

I know thick bastards can't hear the name Liverpool without spouting shite about crime even though it's one of the safest, low-crime cities in the UK, but don't worry I don't think that you're thick because of the dimwitted idea stupid people have that all Brummies are thick - they aren't . But you've demonstrated that you are.

Acura is doing his usual thing of not understanding an argument and coming down harshly on the wrong side. Today under a false identity which doesn't help.

I dunno, I've seen some pretty big brummie tits. Several of them seem to be posting in this thread.


And how many sexual transmitted diseases have you got?

Earlybird has everyone in the book, including a new one which not even the doctors have discovered

"ManchesteristhebeeskneesandIliketoshagsmalltittiedwomenwithfurandmonkeyscomingoutofhtierdoodahwithmywimwamwhichwhenerectis3inchesinsize"

And how many sexual transmitted diseases have you got?

Earlybird has everyone in the book, including a new one which not even the doctors have discovered

"ManchesteristhebeeskneesandIliketoshagsmalltittiedwomenwithfurandmonkeyscomingoutofhtierdoodahwithmywimwamwhichwhenerectis3inchesinsize"

Sorry, I appear to have forgotten to laugh.

Don't be a thick cunt Brumculture.

Angel of the Nob is Accura and even if he lived in Southport he wouldn't be a Scouser - tres Lancashire around those parts.

And he were a Scouser he wouldn't deserve your thick as pigshit bigotted attack on his Scouseness. Oh yes, you think he's a scouser so spout shit about crime and sponging. Stupid bastard. I don't think you're being cunt because you're Brummie. I think you're a cunt because you're acting like a cunt.

I know thick bastards can't hear the name Liverpool without spouting shite about crime even though it's one of the safest, low-crime cities in the UK, but don't worry I don't think that you're thick because of the dimwitted idea stupid people have that all Brummies are thick - they aren't . But you've demonstrated that you are.

Acura is doing his usual thing of not understanding an argument and coming down harshly on the wrong side. Today under a false identity which doesn't help.


Oi mouth, who told you to speak?

Shouldnt you check your food? Thomas the Tank Engine chicken bites burn easy you know.

Manchester/Birmingham

Eastgate Tower - 188m - 60 floors
Arena Central Tower 187.00
Beetham Tower - 171m - 50 floors
Quay Point Tower 1 - 50 floors
1 Hardman Square - 150m+ - 38 floors
Crown Building -131m - 44 floors
Post and Mail Scheme (Tower 1 Scheme C) 125.00
Holloway Circus Tower - 122m
Quay Point Tower 2 - 35 floors
Quay Point Tower 3 - 35 floors
Chapel Wharf Tower 1 - 112m - 37 floors
Snowhill Scheme 100.00
Post and Mail Scheme (Tower 1 Scheme A) 95.00
Modus Tower - 32 floors
Harbour City Tower 1 - 94m - 29 floors
Harbour City Tower 2 - 94m - 29 floors
Fiveways Shopping Centre Redevelopment 90.00
Bristol Road Gateway Tower 90.00
Orion Tower - 90m
Oakglade Greengate Tower 1 - 30 floors
Southern Gateway Tower - 30 floors
Post and mail Scheme (Tower 2 Scheme C) 80.00
Oakglade Greengate Tower 2 - 25 floors
Quay Point Tower 4 - 25 floors
Civil Justice Centre - 80m - 17 floors
Harbour City Tower 3 - 76m - 22 floors
Harbour City Tower 4 - 76m - 22 floors
Curzon Gateway Tower 75.00
The Beacon - 24 floors
Edgbaston Shopping Centre Redevelopment (Phase 2) 73.00
Clippers Quay Tower - 23 floors
Great Northern Tower - 72m - 25 floors
Middlewood Locks Tower - 23 floors
Orion Building Phase 2 70.00
Ramada Tower - 22 floors
Sarah Tower - 22 floors
Mill 1- 21 floors
Mill 4 - 21 floors
Erie Basin Tower - 21 floors
10 Rochdale Road - 21 floors
Block A, Masshouse Circus 69.00
Lee House - 69m - 17 floors
Pall Mall Tower - 19 floors - 67m
Adelphi Street Tower 2 - 20 floors
Post and Mail Scheme ( Tower 1 Scheme D) 63.00
City Park Gate 60.00
Post and Mail Scheme (Scheme B) 60.00
Citylofts Tower - 21 floors
3 Leftbank Apartments - 60m - 16 floors
2 Leftbank Apartments - 60m - 16 floors
Tempus Tower - 19 floors
Jefferson Place - 18 floors
Peat House Redevelopment 59.00
Fortune House - 59m - 16 floors
Chapel Wharf Tower 2 - 58m - 18 floors
Block C, Masshouse Circus 58.00
Chamber of Commerce 58.00
Post and mail Scheme (Tower 2 Scheme A) 56.00
NV Tower 2 - 55m - 18 floors
NV Tower 3 - 55m - 18 floors
Adelphi Street Tower 1 - 16 floors
No.2 Snowhill Plaza 50.00
Edgbaston Shopping Centre Redevelopment (Phase 1) 50.00
Block C, Masshouse Circus 50.00


:)

Benny from Crossroads.

I would suggest this thread is ripe for a closing.

"Oh no... he said something bad about Birmingham. Quick... insult... insult!!! INSULT!!!"

Shouldnt you check your food? Thomas the Tank Engine chicken bites burn easy you know.

Sorry, I appear to have forgotten to laugh.

Vera Duckworth ...

Benny from Crossroads.

I would suggest this thread is ripe for a closing.


Nice usage of words

No, but I get bored of reading your comma-infested rubbish. I've yet to see you actually contribute something somewhere other than insult people.
Earlybird the only person ive ever insulted on this forum,is YOU,
and talking of contributing,the only thing you do is cause friction ,with other cities towards Manchester,your a complete embassment to us,you gob off about the same old shit every day,
are you single? cos i cant believe anyone would want to listen to your boring claptrap all fucking day,,,you have ruined thread after thread with these heated discussions,,a bit of advise mate,GET A FUCKING LIFE!!!!

Earlybird the only person ive ever insulted on this forum,is YOU,
and talking of contributing,the only thing you do is cause friction ,with other cities towards Manchester,your a complete embassment to us,you gob off about the same old shit every day,
are you single? cos i cant believe anyone would want to listen to your boring claptrap all fucking day,,,you have ruined thread after thread with these heated discussions,,a bit of advise mate,GET A FUCKING LIFE!!!!

What about SleepyOne? You insulted him because his viewpoints didn't match yours. We have as much right to have a viewpoint as you do without you insulting. That's why you were warned about it by a moderator the other day. I create and maintain a number of threads, most of which have nothing to do with other cities in the UK. In fact, many have nothing to do with Manchester either. What precisely do YOU contribute?

I proclaim highriser the king of mancunia!

Benny from Crossroads.

I would suggest this thread is ripe for a closing.
I agree

It amazes me to this day how Brum Culture gets away with the shit he does. He's by far the most irritating member I've come across after the "Holy Trinity".

Ive got off my soapbox now,EB knows i dont agree with most of the things he waffles on about,ive just learnt to ignore it, but you cant help noticing it when ,he starts dominating a thread with another slanging match

It amazes me to this day how Brum Culture gets away with the shit he does. He's by far the most irritating member I've come across after the "Holy Trinity".
He has been brigged for his content on the world forums before.

What a shame, here was me thinking that people were mature enought to have constructive conversation and to discuss what the differences are between the two cities and see why each city has gone a different way and achieved what they have.......

....funnily enough, due to a narrow minded few, that hsnt happened! one day, just one day we might be able to do it....but intil us mods are here 24 7 and watch every post in every thread, it would appear its impossible!!!

END OF DISCUSSION!!!!!!