In protest after reading a recent thread that is now closed because of all I can describe as immaturity and blatant dislike for one another...

Here is a thread for people who are mature enough to get on and have a civil discussion.

I am fine with anyone rating Manchester or anywhere else over Brum no problem, why? because I am extremely proud about my place of birth and I am quite capable of holding a mature debate about why I love Birmingham.

....... lol the exact reason the thread was closed. would seem that we're living in an ideal world though if we think this is every going to happen!

Can a person from Manchester please fill me in on the new Manc towers over 20 storys that are definately going up as I can honestly say that I am too lazy to read other non Brum threads (I don't have time really :) ) and I would genuinely be interested, please include heights.

Woody, just delete a post if someone acts up, I reckon you could delete that closed thread as it doesn't make nice reading. :)

I'd be interested to see it too as I don't think the Manchester projects thread is entirely up to date.

Yes it is you cheeky bugger!

Well it wasn't two days ago... you said it yourself. :tongue2: I don't know all of the planning applications to know if you'd updated all the approved ones yet or not.

i would delete posts as soon as an innappropriote posts were posts but that thread started at 5pm yesturday and less than 24 hours later, 140 messages had been posted before i even realised it existed lol

It will be nice to have a comparison thread for once instead of an all out City V City thread. Nice thread EK :)

i would delete posts as soon as an innappropriote posts were posts but that thread started at 5pm yesturday and less than 24 hours later, 140 messages had been posted before i even realised it existed lol

I know, it sort of made me laugh, not really funny but It reminded me of a load of chickens in a cage pecking one another (something I saw today).

I'd be interested to see it too as I don't think the Manchester projects thread is entirely up to date.

Yes it is you cheeky bugger!

It will be nice to have a comparison thread for once instead of an all out City V City thread. Nice thread EK :)

Well Early Bird can do the Manc ones if he likes and maybe me or Woody can do the Brum ones, Woody knows better than me ;)

Yes it is you cheeky bugger!

:lol:

well wont dont you lot just lok on skyscraper news.com which Gothic me and Caw have worked our asses off trying to complete for you lot to use lol!

well wont dont you lot just lok on skyscraper news.com which Gothic me and Caw have worked our asses off trying to complete for you lot to use lol!

CAW admitted the other day that this list isn't finished yet so it's a pretty inaccurate picture. He said he'd been including the taller stuff, so maybe 20 storeys are all done, but then again maybe not all. The problem is that CAW updates both our lists so it's hard for other people to know where he's up to unless they check every bit of info when it comes out.

wel as far as i am aware.....along with Caw at 7:34pm today on this very thread he's upto date on the manchester list at Skyscraper news.......

Here they are:

Birmingham/Manchester

Completed in the last 5 years

Manchester Stadium …0 Floors, 70m
Sovereign Point …20 Floors, 66m
Imperial Point …16 Floors, 65m
Centenary Plaza … 22 Floors, 63m
No.1 Deansgate …17 Floors, 62m
Birmingham Wheel … 0 Floors, 62m
NV 1 …18 Floors, 55m
NV 2 …18 Floors, 55m
B Bang …0 Floors, 55m
No.1 Marsden Street 12 Floors, 53m
Eight Brindley Place …12 Floors, 52m
1 Colmore Row… 10 Floors, 51m
Lowry Theatre …0 Floors, 50m
127 Colmore Row …10 Floors, 45m
Green Building …12 Floors, 40m
Hacienda …12 Floors, 40m
Citygate …13 Floors, 40m
Free Trade Hall …15 Floors, 40m
Melia House …10 Floors, 37m
Princess House …12 Floors, 36m
Urbis …6 Floors, 35m
The Bridge …12 Floors, 35m

Under Construction at either over 20 floors/60m

Beetham Tower…50 Floors, 157m/171m
Holloway Circus Tower…40 Floors, 122m/130m
Orion 1…28 Floors, 90m
CJC … 17 Floors, 80m
Great North Tower…25 Floors, 72m
Jefferson Place …18 Floors, 68m
Erie Basin …21 Floors, 67m
City Lofts…20 Floors, 60m
Tempus…18 Floors, 60m
Edge B…21 Floors, 60m
Edge C…21 Floors, 60m

Approved By Council at either over 20 floors/60m

Eastgate…57 Floors, 188m
Arena Central…50 Floors, 187m/245m
Crown Building…44 Floors, 131m
Park Central Tower…28 Floors, 90m
Edgebaston Phasing centre, phase2...17 Floors, 73m
Mill 1 MV…21 Floors, 71m
Mill 4 MV…21 Floors, 71m
Orion 2 …20 Floors, 70m
Sarah Tower…20 Floors, 70m
Masshouse Block A-E…17 Floors, 69m
ISIS Wharf…21 Floors, 67m
Skyline Central…21 Floors, 67m
Pall Mall House…19 Floors, 67m
Masshouse Block J-M…15 Floors, 60m
Masshouse Block F&G…17 Floors, 60m


ok, these are all the tower that are under construction or have been approved according to skyscrapernews.com. so it is fairly certain that these are going to get built unless something bad happens.

what do u mean EB that CAW does both lists????what lists????

He means snuk and the Manc developments thread. Woody how about getting up a list of say all 35m+ towers completed since 2002 or 2000 or whatever, I reckon it'll give a clearer picture of how fast Manc is 'plugging it's gaps' so to speak.

CAW admitted the other day that this list isn't finished yet so it's a pretty inaccurate picture. He said he'd been including the taller stuff, so maybe 20 storeys are all done, but then again maybe not all. The problem is that CAW updates both our lists so it's hard for other people to know where he's up to unless they check every bit of info when it comes out.

The Skyscrapernews Manc list is nearing completion now. It's just for a few proposals I need a bit more info before they are added.

ofcourse i can, im talking rubbish now.......will do it in a bit

affraid your going to have to do tht one CAW as i dont have a clue when they were built... i mean im just going on the status at the side of the page lol

look above

yes i was very immature, i can only apologise xx boredom is a terrible thing

on a lighter note, i want to get a website together of developments in the city, current and planned ? if anyone has any decent renderings i can use please message for my email

thanks : no time scale, but over the summer

I thinks its a case of Manc regenerating itself more quickly than Brum. It seems to get through projects through all phases of pre-planning to build time etc more more quickly this means that when projects start new proposals are brought forward. For example when we see starts on Arena Central, Snowhill, and Martineu Galleries we should see a new wave of developments behind them. The fact that these projects have still not got underway and other biggies like Post and Mail and Masshouse have just started we don't know whats going on with them so the lack of renderings make it appear more so than it actually is that there is a big gap between the cities.

Also Brum is coming from further aback than other cities due to the larger amount of regeneration needed in the city centre so you'll see major developments in terms of removel of subways road changes street level changes. Birmingham does not have much of a grid system and i think that in the long run this will play to Brums advantage.

Yes, the removal of subways, tower blocks and ring roads is quite interesting, these were built at a time when you could literally leave your car or house unlocked without fear of being shafted and yet today I see great towers being built across the UK which are almost replacing at a similar pace the blocks that are coming down, I love high rises regardless but what will make HCT (a residential block) any different in 30 years time to the 20 odd storey tower block that came down next to the sentinels a couple of years ago (due to it being regarded one of the most despised towers in Brum due to fear, anti social behaviour etc), does London have a different regard to tower blocks?

Also Brum is coming from further aback than other cities due to the larger amount of regeneration needed in the city centre so you'll see major developments in terms of removel of subways road changes street level changes. Birmingham does not have much of a grid system and i think that in the long run this will play to Brums advantage.


I think thats it in a nutshell. Brum had more to do and has to do most from scratch. Lots of easy gains in Manc as there are lots of nice infill of 5-6 story old blocks. But it seems that all the things they have been doing for the last 15 years has all been done tastefully and now its all slotting together in the city centre. One thing the Mancs have done well is make the tram system blend in well. Potentially ugly bits of transport infrastructure have been made quite pretty or at least inconspicuous.


I dont see Manchester's success as a threat but more an opportunity for city planners to learn from the best in other cities, not just Manchester. But as you say, Brum is different and it would be wrong to try to "copy" Manchester.


I think the grid layout gives a greater sense of scale by giving long sightlines of visibility and making it easy to orientate yourself in an intuitive fashion. In eastside you will be able to see along one way all the way to the bullring and the other way all the way up to snow and rock. Will be ace once we actaully get some buildings down there, rather than car parks. Thats why i think Eastside is more important than raw stories for Birmingham at the moment.

I think the pace will pick up in Brum after a bit of a pause for breath after the Bullring.

Also Brum is coming from further aback than other cities due to the larger amount of regeneration needed in the city centre so you'll see major developments in terms of removel of subways road changes street level changes.

The IRA did some of that for us in 96, and provided the impetus to really get cracking with regenerating the city (outside of the Castlefield area).

I fucking love you brummies.

Ive never had a post deleted before :)

Ive never had a post deleted before :)

Welcome to the club

Woody, in reply to post 15, would it be possible to add Liverpool, Leeds and Glasgow to that list - if it ain't to much trouble.

P.S. You have missed NE and NW Quardants at Old Trafford off the list.

Is it possible to do an up to date list on the first page?

Jesus this is an old thread. I think the probable answe is that very little is being built in either city at the moment.

Is it possible to do an up to date list on the first page?

Actually, I thought that one was quite funny.

Why does it seem funny?

Bumping up this specific thread for no reason what-so-ever. I was thinking of doing something similar with the http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=296049 Beaties one, just to point up you can see the old C&A Building for about 2 seconds in this video

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But I thought better of it. I just don't have your conceptual skills :(

God, 5 years since Beaties closed down!?

Irrelevant question, how did you embed the YouTube video!?

Eastgate Manchester's going nowhere as far as I'm aware. It seems all cities outside London are doing nothing much apart from what's already under construction. Manchester is currently doing the most with Salford Quays and the metrolink extension. However, I do think it's a big shame we can't get a quantum leap in activity in the northern cities. I'm desperate to see it happen with what's sitting in the approved or proposed drawers so to speak!

However, that horrible thing economics gets in the way right now. I only wish I had an answer to make it all happen quicker. I want to jump 100years ahead and see what Manchester, Birmingham and Liverpool docks will look like then!

Eastgate Manchester's going nowhere as far as I'm aware. It seems all cities outside London are doing nothing much apart from what's already under construction. Manchester is currently doing the most with Salford Quays and the metrolink extension. However, I do think it's a big shame we can't get a quantum leap in activity in the northern cities. I'm desperate to see it happen with what's sitting in the approved or proposed drawers so to speak!

However, that horrible thing economics gets in the way right now. I only wish I had an answer to make it all happen quicker. I want to jump 100years ahead and see what Manchester, Birmingham and Liverpool docks will look like then!

If we all believe in global warming then the only city to have docks in 100 years time is Birmingham, it would be interesting to scuba dive around the ruins of Liverpool and Manchester :lol:

Sorry, I had to do it, just joking :tongue2:

It seems all cities outside London are doing nothing much apart from what's already under construction.

This happened in the 1970s when we last had a big credit boom (Heath's government in the 1970s) - a lot of it was thrown at office developments in provincial cities that were not really viable and have never really been used.

London was, then, the exception as it is now.