does anyone have a complete list of what will be the UKs ranking of its tallest buildings when all the current projects are more or less completed (say 2010). it'll be nice to see a list that doesn't just say london, london, london like the currect one does - obviously when beetham is finished in manc it'll enter high on the list?

my knowledge is poor but i know currently it looks something approximately like this

1 - 1 canada square - london
2 - hsbc tower - london
3 - other canary wharf tower (cant remember the name) - london
4 - tower 42 - london
5 - swiss re tower - london
etc
etc
some more london towers
etc
and finally something that is not from london
CIS Tower - manchester

3 - other canary wharf tower (cant remember the name) - london

The name is "Citigroup tower"

[QUOTE=Karate_Kev]does anyone have a complete list of what will be the UKs ranking of its tallest buildings when all the current projects are more or less completed (say 2010). it'll be nice to see a list that doesn't just say london, london, london like the currect one does - obviously when beetham is finished in manc it'll enter high on the list?

my knowledge is poor but i know currently it looks something approximately like this

1 - 1 canada square - london
2 - hsbc tower - london
3 - other canary wharf tower (cant remember the name) - london
4 - tower 42 - london
5 - swiss re tower - london
etc
etc
some more london towers
etc
and finally something that is not from london
CIS Tower - manchester[/QUO


If everything is built which is currently proposed, not only will London have a whole cluster of new towers, which will deffinately be the "tallest" of the new projects, but will closely followed with provincial towers in Manchester, Leeds, Birmingham, Liverpool, Glasgow,Newcastle and possibly other Uk cities as well.

Uk cities, not just London,are certainly reaching for the skies!

Eastgate/Innacity in Manchester is approved and when built (2007 or so) will be 188m tall (to the roof). So that will be in the top 10 hopefully. :)

UKs current top 30 completed towers:
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/skyscrapernews-top-30-uk.php

Manc buildings that will be in there in 2010:

Beetham Tower - 171m - 2006 (construction)
Eastgate Tower - 188m - 2008 (approved)
Crown Building - 131m - 2008 (approved)
1 Hardman Square - 150m? - 2008 (to be submitted soon)
Quay Point Towers - 50,35,35 floors (few years off yet)

yeah if you want to see how thats changing then click the under construction one and the approved one to see a bit into the future.


today
1 One Canada Square , London 235.00 50 Office Retail 1991 Complete
2 HSBC World Headquarters , London 199.50 45 Office None 2002 Complete
3 Citigroup European Headquarters , London 199.50 45 Office None 2002 Complete
4 Tower 42 , London 183.00 47 Office None 1980 Complete
5 30 St Marys Axe , London 179.80 41 Office None 2003 Complete
6 BT Telecom Tower , London 160.00 34 Masts Office 1964 Complete
7 1 Churchill Place , London 156.00 32 Office None 2004 Complete
8 40 Bank Street , London 153.00 33 Office None 2003 Complete
9 25 Bank Street , London 153.00 33 Office None 2003 Complete
10 BT Tower , Birmingham 152.00 5 Masts None 1969 Complete

2010?
1 London Bridge Tower , London 305.78 82 Office Hotel 2009 Approved
2 Columbus Tower , London 237.00 61 Office Residential 2009 Approved
3 One Canada Square , London 235.00 50 Office Retail 1991 Complete
4 The Leadenhall Building , London 225.00 48 Office None 2007 Approved
5 The Minerva Building , London 217.00 53 Office None 2008 Approved
6 Riverside South Tower 1 , London 214.00 44 Office None - Approved
7 HSBC World Headquarters , London 199.50 45 Office None 2002 Complete
8 Citigroup European Headquarters , London 199.50 45 Office None 2002 Complete
9 Riverside South Tower 2 , London 189.00 38 Office None - Approved
10 Eastgate Tower , Manchester 188.00 58 Residential Hotel 2008 Approved

Average height of today's top 10 = 180m
Average height of 2010's top 10 = 221m

If DIFA turns out to be 300m, then the average height will increase to 232m. :)

6 BT Telecom Tower , London 160.00
I thought it was about 190m? Where does this figure of 160m come from?

roof height will is 160m. its 190m to the tip of the antenna.

Couldnt put CIS in any top 10, sorry!
HCT Birmingham is topped out and so would would qulify for me.

damn metres, dont mean a thing to me! what is 100m in feet??

1m = 3.2808399ft (roughly ;) )

I thought no-one used feet anymore except in the USA....

Remember, it isn't just about height, it's about cluster size too. Cardiff doesn't have the tallest buildings (101m highest currently planned) but in my opinion it has one of the best clusters (as the city/downtown area is very dense and of a small area).

P.S how many cities can claim a building as beautiful as the Millenium Stadium in their skyline? :)

I prefer feet. Don't know why. Maybe I'm just an old fuddy duddy.

Supermo, I've been to Cardiff many times recently, for football.

However, never have I considered it to have a skyline.

Suburbs of Manc have better skylines, e.g. Pendelton, Eccles and maybe even Stretford.

I dissagree here. Have you had a look at the cardiff skyline from a distance, say from Penarth or the Bay? There are also quite a few projects planned so I feel by 2010 the skyline will be a very respectable.

P.S the suburbs of Manchester can't boast having the 72,000 capacity Millenium Stadium in their skylines. Also what are the heights of the towers there [suburbs of Manchester]? (Cardiff has about 20-25 ranging from about 50m - 80m) (101m soon to be built).

Agreed, the millenium stadium looks fantastic on the skyline

(Cardiff has about 20-25 ranging from about 50m - 80m)

Slight exaggeration there mate... Cardiff has 8 or 9 high-rise buildings over 50m tall, plus a few planned. I do think it has a decent skyline, but lets be realistic!

Slight exaggeration there mate... Cardiff has 8 or 9 high-rise buildings over 50m tall, plus a few planned. I do think it has a decent skyline, but lets be realistic!

Sorry lol. Looking at a list, there are 9 over 50m but there are a further 6 in the 40m's.

PS but the Millenium Stadium rules over any tall building in the UK hehe.

P.S the suburbs of Manchester can't boast having the 72,000 capacity Millenium Stadium in their skylines. Also what are the heights of the towers there [suburbs of Manchester]? (Cardiff has about 20-25 ranging from about 50m - 80m) (101m soon to be built).

Well they can boast these two little sheds. :jk:
http://www.manutdzone.com/oldtrafford/photos/oldtraffordaerialview2001.jpg
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/690CityofManchesterStadium_pic5.jpg

Very strange comparison that, Cardiff and Pendleton? 20-25 50m-80m buildings is a bit of an overestimation I think, Skyscrapernews is the most complete site for Cardiff highrises and it says there are 10 buildings completed/under construction from 50-80m. (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/bdbsearch.php?city=Cardiff)

Cardiff doesn't have much of a skyline right now but with hills and water as backdrop it has lots of potential.
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/733CardiffSkylinefromPenarth_pic1.jpg

Pendleton....er...well...its dense but consists of crappy tower blocks. About 25 of them from 75-45m.
http://mk29.image.pbase.com/u49/u03mlr/upload/40749018.Picture182a.jpg

Sorry lol. Looking at a list, there are 9 over 50m but there are a further 6 in the 40m's.

PS but the Millenium Stadium rules over any tall building in the UK hehe.

though Wembley is bigger, better AND taller ;)

and also overbudget :D

wembley is on budget. its not the fa that has to pay the construction overrun but multiplex, the project will be delivered to the owner on budget :)

though Wembley is bigger, better AND taller ;)

and also overbudget :D

Ah but does Wembley have a roof? lol. Also, Wembley looks kinda boring, I feel that's why they put that arc on the top. Wembley, won't be right in the centre of London whereas the Millenium Stadium is (centre of Cardiff).

Ah but does Wembley have a roof? lol. Also, Wembley looks kinda boring, I feel that's why they put that arc on the top. Wembley, won't be right in the centre of London whereas the Millenium Stadium is (centre of Cardiff).

One minute you are banging on about suburbs, and the next city centres... Make your mind up.

Yep the Millennium Stadium does have a nice roof, but it suffers because it has one. They have to replace the grass so often as it gets so little light and air...

P.S how many cities can claim a building as beautiful as the Millenium Stadium in their skyline? :)

Quite a few.

Westminster Palace?
Swiss Re?
Manchester Town Hall?
Liverpool Graces?

I could go on, but in terms of beauty, they twat the Millenium Stadium out of the ground. Stadia are generally not very beautiful things.

What and what? lol. I think you've misunderstood the argument here... we're not arguing about the suburbs lol. As for the Millenium Stadium, take a look at the Cardiff skyline above and tell me that the Millenium Stadium wouldn't make any skyline more dynamic.

As for Cardiff as a whole, remember, the size of the city is only 300,000. It is not doing badly compared to other cities of the same size. Just remember when you talk about Manc, Brum etc remember how much bigger than Cardiff they are... :runaway:

Yep, Cardiff is truly wonderful blah blah, Zzzzz! Zzzzz!

-BTT-

Yep, Cardiff is truly wonderful blah blah, Zzzzz! Zzzzz!

-BTT-

It's better than hearing how great London is...

I prefer Swansea tbh. Nice beaches, the Mumbles, The Gower, the new developments around the port are coming along, the marina is looking good too! It needs to lose a few concrete buildings that never should have been built but it has potential. It also has some nice art deco buildings hiding away in some areas.

Update:

1. London, Shard Londn Bridge, 310m
2. London, Bishopsgate Tower, 288m
3. London, Heron Tower, 242m
4. London, One Canada Square, 235m
5. London, Leadenhall building, 225m
6. London, Beetham London, 220m
7. London, North quay T1, 216m
8. London, Heron quays west T1, 214m
9. London, Riverside soutth T1, 214m
10. London, North quay T3, 214m

11. London, HSBC HQ, 200m
12. London, Citigroup, 200m
13. London, 20 Fenchurch street, 192m
14. London, Riverside South T2, 189m
15. Manchester, Eastgate Tower, 188m

too think, 12 buildings 200 feet or over, and perhaphs a couple more we don't yet know about.
Apart from the obvious like NYC, Dubai,and HK there can,t be that many more cities, that will have so many 200+ footer by 2010

too think, 12 buildings 200 feet or over, and perhaphs a couple more we don't yet know about.
Apart from the obvious like NYC, Dubai,and HK there can,t be that many more cities, that will have so many 200+ footer by 2010
London already has hundreds of buildings over 200ft ;) :)

Doesnt include Paris projects in planning
Europe, and how London compares:

1. Moscow, Russia Tower, 600m
2. Moscow, Federation tower, 432m
3. Moscow, 14 IBC, 322m
4. London, Shard London Bridge, 310m
5. Moscow, Parcel 12, 305m
6. Istanbul, Dubai Towers Istanbul, 300m
7. London, Bishopsgate Tower, 288m
8. Moscow, Moscow, 274m
9. Moscow, Triumph place, 264m
10. Frankfurt, Commerzbank, 259m



200m+
London: 12
Moscow: 10
Paris: 9
Frankfurt: 6
Istanbul: 5
Madrid: 5

London already has hundreds of buildings over 200ft ;) :)

I'm sure he means 200m :D

London already has hundreds of buildings over 200ft ;) :)

Well spotted Will, but you know i meant 200meters :cheers:

you bastards moscow. why are they building such tall towers

Atleast we will have the city with the most 200m+

And I'm sure we will see more 300m+, and possiblly even a 400m+ or 2 proposed before the olympics

edit: And ALOT more 150m+ proposals!

I doubt we'll ever see a 400m in London, unless its proposed miles away from the centre of London!

no chance really, unless every airport in London is demolished :D

Doesnt include Paris projects in planning
Europe, and how London compares:

1. Moscow, Russia Tower, 600m
2. Moscow, Federation tower, 432m
3. Moscow, 14 IBC, 322m
4. London, Shard London Bridge, 310m
5. Moscow, Parcel 12, 305m
6. Istanbul, Dubai Towers Istanbul, 300m
7. London, Bishopsgate Tower, 288m
8. Moscow, Moscow, 274m
9. Moscow, Triumph place, 264m
10. Frankfurt, Commerzbank, 259m



200m+
London: 12
Moscow: 10
Paris: 9
Frankfurt: 6
Istanbul: 5
Madrid: 5
i'm sorry to interfere to your discussion :D
but number of buildings above 200m in moscow is incorrect.

here is more correct list
1. Russia Tower. 600m. 118f.
2. Federation Tower A and C. 432m. 88f.
3. Mercury City Tower. 322m. 70f.
4. City Hall and City Duma block 1. 308m. 70f.
5. City Hall and City Duma block 2. 308m. 70f.
6. City Hall and City Duma block 3. 308m. 70f.
7. City Hall and City Duma block 4. 308m. 70f.
8. Parcel 12. 305m. 67f.
9. City of Capitals: Moscow. 274m. 73f.
10. Triumph Palace. 264m. 57f.
11. Naberezhnaya Tower C. 252m. 56f.
12. Federation Tower B. 242m. 59f.
13. Moscow State University. 240m. 38f.
14. City of Capitals: Saint Petersburg. 235m. 63f.
15. Mirax residential project. First versions is above 70f and second is below 70f. So first surly above 200m and second version possibly above 200m.
16. One of several skyscrapers in Muscovy-City, Myakineno. Afair 70f.
17. Accroding to old soviet plans Hotel Ukraina is 198m tall. But according to official site - 206m.
18+. Several buildings in New Ring of Moscow project could be above 200m.

so if anything will be good there will be somewhere about 25-30 buildings above 200m by 2020. plus tones between 150 and 200.
so if anything will be

i'm sorry to interfere to your discussion :D
but number of buildings above 200m in moscow is incorrect.

here is more correct list
1. Russia Tower. 600m. 118f.
2. Federation Tower A and C. 432m. 88f.
3. Mercury City Tower. 322m. 70f.
4. City Hall and City Duma block 1. 308m. 70f.
5. City Hall and City Duma block 2. 308m. 70f.
6. City Hall and City Duma block 3. 308m. 70f.
7. City Hall and City Duma block 4. 308m. 70f.
8. Parcel 12. 305m. 67f.
9. City of Capitals: Moscow. 274m. 73f.
10. Triumph Palace. 264m. 57f.
11. Naberezhnaya Tower C. 252m. 56f.
12. Federation Tower B. 242m. 59f.
13. Moscow State University. 240m. 38f.
14. City of Capitals: Saint Petersburg. 235m. 63f.
15. Mirax residential project. First versions is above 70f and second is below 70f. So first surly above 200m and second version possibly above 200m.
16. One of several skyscrapers in Muscovy-City, Myakineno. Afair 70f.
17. Accroding to old soviet plans Hotel Ukraina is 198m tall. But according to official site - 206m.
18+. Several buildings in New Ring of Moscow project could be above 200m.

so if anything will be good there will be somewhere about 25-30 buildings above 200m by 2020. plus tones between 150 and 200.
so if anything will be

1, this is by 2010-2012. 2, I was under the impression city hall was 1 building. 3, I was talking about actuall, well-known proposals in for planning, not coulds. But obviously Skyscraperpage isnt very accurate.

you bastards moscow. why are they building such tall towers

Don't worry. Sure they're tall, but London's quality proposals are in a league of their own at the minuite in europe, in my opinion anyway

no chance really, unless every airport in London is demolished :D

I thought city airport was the only real problem?

thats what i thought too. surely all these other cities with 400m + towers have airports around them also? or are the airports in london just being overly anal?

1, this is by 2010-2012. 2, I was under the impression city hall was 1 building. 3, I was talking about actuall, well-known proposals in for planning, not coulds. But obviously Skyscraperpage isnt very accurate.
1. so yes. about 18 by 2012. and more by 2020.
2. no it's 4 independent buildings with tones of skybridges.
3. almost all of them present on ssp, because i am editor there. federationtower and city hall as most of all other building on one podium or in very close group entered as one building simply because it's more suitable for making drawings. some of them (muscovy-city and mirax residential) are not entered yet simply because we don't know more exact technical data.

thx for the info coth. Moscow is doing very well indeed.

lol. that city hall project counting as 4 skyscrapers. They are joined up. Counting as one. so yes, 10-14 possibles for moscow in 2012. forget about 2020 at the mo'

As you can see, one building. Not four! lol :)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/26/City_hall_01.jpg/339px-City_hall_01.jpg

How many skyscrapers on the sears ;)

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/chicago05.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/26/City_hall_01.jpg/339px-City_hall_01.jpg

4. City Hall and City Duma block 1. 308m. 70f.
5. City Hall and City Duma block 2. 308m. 70f.
6. City Hall and City Duma block 3. 308m. 70f.
7. City Hall and City Duma block 4. 308m. 70f.


no it's 4 independent buildings with tones of skybridges.

Lol - you make me laugh Coth, you really do.

you just jealous we have so much supertall project.

city hall is four independent towers connected by many bridges and huge bridges at top
http://dva3.ru//pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/fin.jpg

http://www.citynext.com/15.asp
The Spatial construction consisting of four vertical structural elements, is formed by:
- four 70-floor towers with premises grouped around a communication "nucleus";
- four 8-floor horizontal "bridges" connecting towers at the top part;
- 20 "bridges" in height in a floor, "tieing up" all volume through everyone of 8 floors by a vertical;

Lol.

Anyone with more than half a braincell can see that it's 1 single overall structure and will appear as one building on the skyline. Just because the architect says it's "4 independent towers", you don't need to take the description so literally!

It might be better if you stayed away from the UK forum, btw.

So, by your reckoning, this is actually 2 towers with a bridge across the top?

http://www.bernd-duda.de/bd_pics/data/media/23/Ohne%20Titel-06.jpg

And anyway, LBT will still be taller than all four City Hall towers.

you just jealous we have so much supertall project.

city hall is four independent towers connected by many bridges and huge bridges at top
http://dva3.ru//pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/fin.jpg

http://www.citynext.com/15.asp
The Spatial construction consisting of four vertical structural elements, is formed by:
- four 70-floor towers with premises grouped around a communication "nucleus";
- four 8-floor horizontal "bridges" connecting towers at the top part;
- 20 "bridges" in height in a floor, "tieing up" all volume through everyone of 8 floors by a vertical;
What ever?

Why the hell should we be jealous of Moscow, London is the best city in the World, And we have some of the best architechure in the world, and what we have proposed is world class iconic buildings, and not over tall just for the sake of it.

So tell me how does Moscow propose to fill these huge towers? I can't see too many people falling over themselves to move their European HQ's to Moscow.


unlike Moscow we do not need to compete with Dubai and have ridiculously oversized skyscrapers, just so that people can notice us.
In London we have always lived in a democracy, and democratically we all say that, that is just one building, so there.
Do us a favour and stick to your own fantasy forum, and keep away from the UK one :bash:

What ever?

Why the hell should we be jealous of Moscow, London is the best city in the World, And we have some of the best architechure in the world, and what we have proposed is world class iconic buildings, and not over tall just for the sake of it.

So tell me how does Moscow propose to fill these huge towers? I can't see too many people falling over themselves to move their European HQ's to Moscow.


unlike Moscow we do not need to compete with Dubai and have ridiculously oversized skyscrapers, just so that people can notice us.
In London we have always lived in a democracy, and democratically we all say that, that is just one building, so there.
Do us a favour and stick to your own fantasy forum, and keep away from the UK one :bash:

You should be jealous!

Moscow has more Under Construction Towers than London! Towers at 600m!! Moscow will obviously have the best skyline in Europe by 2012.

I don't think anyone's jealous of a skyscraper shaped like a used square tampon.

Moscow will obviously have the best skyline in Europe by 2012.
I don't think it's "obvious", as you put it. London will easily be a match for Moscow in a few years, regardless of all these 300m+ buildings they're putting up over there.

You should be jealous!

Moscow has more Under Construction Towers than London! Towers at 600m!! Moscow will obviously have the best skyline in Europe by 2012.

If that's how you feel than perhaps you should consider moving there, as your OBVIOUSLY not very patriotic about this country!!!!!!!

Lol.

Anyone with more than half a braincell can see that it's 1 single overall structure and will appear as one building on the skyline. Just because the architect says it's "4 independent towers", you don't need to take the description so literally!

It might be better if you stayed away from the UK forum, btw.
will, you really just jealous that moscow will have (and have now) much more buildings. london is possibly will be 2nd (depend on if paris will complete their 2015 plan). but moscow with 24000 highrises is another weight category staying in group with san paulo, shaghai and beijing. as i said newcastle kid's numbers are incorrected and i have corrected them, not matter if you like it your not this is correct number...


as for city hall - here is several more pictures with another versions of shape of top bridges that showing better - it is 4 towers.
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/650/2635ibccolors.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/650/2635night_ibc_concept3.jpg
and link to emporis
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/cx/?id=109489

You should be jealous!

Moscow has more Under Construction Towers than London! Towers at 600m!! Moscow will obviously have the best skyline in Europe by 2012.

No, there isnt any 600m+ towers in Moscow yet. It's a shame there planning is so leniant, they really do end up with some crap.

you just jealous we have so much supertall project.

city hall is four independent towers connected by many bridges and huge bridges at top
http://dva3.ru//pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/fin.jpg

http://www.citynext.com/15.asp
The Spatial construction consisting of four vertical structural elements, is formed by:
- four 70-floor towers with premises grouped around a communication "nucleus";
- four 8-floor horizontal "bridges" connecting towers at the top part;
- 20 "bridges" in height in a floor, "tieing up" all volume through everyone of 8 floors by a vertical;

Sorry but that is THE most boring supertall I have ever seen.

You may be building them tall, but there are only 2 or 3 Moscow towers I actually like. at all.

They may make a skyline but most of the individual buildings are bland and uninspired, and in 10 or 20 years will have been forgotten about.

Swiss re, just over half the size, is 10x better than that.
I dont care if people don't agree, but ^^ is a FACT.

What ever?

Why the hell should we be jealous of Moscow, London is the best city in the World, And we have some of the best architechure in the world, and what we have proposed is world class iconic buildings, and not over tall just for the sake of it.

So tell me how does Moscow propose to fill these huge towers? I can't see too many people falling over themselves to move their European HQ's to Moscow.


unlike Moscow we do not need to compete with Dubai and have ridiculously oversized skyscrapers, just so that people can notice us.
In London we have always lived in a democracy, and democratically we all say that, that is just one building, so there.
Do us a favour and stick to your own fantasy forum, and keep away from the UK one :bash:

:applause: :applause: :applause:

again you started talk about how excellent is your design. but it's just patriotic words. as you remember in previous talk - most of non londoners was disagree with you. all business centers in moscow are high quality. tones of residential projects are mid-high quality and just few low quality.

btw we have own egg in moscow. just 6 storeys tall stylisation for faberge egg, but 1000x better than swiss re.

will, you really just jealous that moscow will have (and have now) much more buildings. london is possibly will be 2nd (depend on if paris will complete their 2015 plan). but moscow with 24000 highrises is another weight category staying in group with san paulo, shaghai and beijing. as i said newcastle kid's numbers are incorrected and i have corrected them, not matter if you like it your not this is correct number...


Sau paulo? SHANGHAI? dont make me laugh!

You really dothink you are all-mighty on the skyscraper front don't you? As said before, London is the best city in the world, we dont need tall towers like Moscow does, we get them to meet demand, not to go on some stupid ego-trip, that in the end will be ill fated when the towers wont be filled and billions will have been wasted.

As I have said, many times, quality. not height or quantity. I'd rather just have the 147m Multiplex tower than all of the Moscow projects, because 99% look like they were designed by retarded monkeys!

@ismail
when you start comparision talk with foreign cities - expect that people from that cities will act on this talk and will join discussion.

btw we have own egg in moscow. just 6 storeys tall stylisation for faberge egg, but 1000x better than swiss re.

Swiss Re is not an egg, and was voted best new skyscraper of 2004, is known across the world, and is much better than any of the new mscow projects. As I said before, thats a fact, and I dont care what a bunch of jealous forumers think.

again you started talk about how excellent is your design. but it's just patriotic words. as you remember in previous talk - most of non londoners was disagree with you. all business centers in moscow are high quality. tones of residential projects are mid-high quality and just few low quality.

No, theyre not. Theyre boring. Just look at city hall, it is a travesty.

And dont get me started on what some of the other forumers think. When I look at the london threads in the world forumers, I hera ALOT of positivity. Alot more than a couple of jealous anti-brits who obviouls can't handle what a change the entire UK is having

will, you really just jealous that moscow will have (and have now) much more buildings. london is possibly will be 2nd (depend on if paris will complete their 2015 plan). but moscow with 24000 highrises is another weight category staying in group with san paulo, shaghai and beijing. as i said newcastle kid's numbers are incorrected and i have corrected them, not matter if you like it your not this is correct number...


as for city hall - here is several more pictures with another versions of shape of top bridges that showing better - it is 4 towers.
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/650/2635ibccolors.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/650/2635night_ibc_concept3.jpg
and link to emporis
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/cx/?id=109489
I honestly couldn't care less if Moscow has 24,000 highrises.

London will still have an equally (if not more) impressive skyline, with its beautiful world famous views across the River Thames from Waterloo Bridge - the great dome of St Paul's rising majestically above the City skyline, with Wren's other church spires and turrets visible around it; the iconic world class designs of Leadenhall, Bishopsgate, Heron and SwissRe to its right; the dense cluster of skyscrapers at Canary Wharf on the horizon; the soaring elegant tapering silhouette of Shard London Bridge to the right of this; then panning around you'll have the clusters at Waterloo, Elephant and Castle, and Vauxhall; with the London Eye and Parliament Buildings to the right of all this; then panning around again you'll see the beautiful lowrise buildings on the Embankment, leading into the West End with all its wonderful Victoriana and historic buildings, mixed together with Centrepoint, Euston Tower and the BT Tower. What a truly amazing, awe-inspiring, beautiful fusion of old and new the London skyline will be in the next few years.

So - no Coth... will you please get it into your thick skull that I'm not jealous of Moscow. It should be the other way round - it's you that should be jealous of us.

Sau paulo? SHANGHAI? dont make me laugh!

You really dothink you are all-mighty on the skyscraper front don't you? As said before, London is the best city in the world, we dont need tall towers like Moscow does, we get them to meet demand, not to go on some stupid ego-trip, that in the end will be ill fated when the towers wont be filled and billions will have been wasted.

As I have said, many times, quality. not height or quantity. I'd rather just have the 147m Multiplex tower than all of the Moscow projects, because 99% look like they were designed by retarded monkeys!
kid (or how to call you, since you don't like your nick?). only londoners says london is betst in the world. doesn't it ego?
24000 highrises to remind you. that is moscow. and skyscrapers is not a race, but normal development in the city with fast development and productivity of economy just few lower of london, but with huge percent of growth after pause in 70-90's. be it race luzhkov easly could select 1km foster version and approve construction of several more 100 floorers and build them in 4 years.

about retarted monkeys - again. people outside of london disagree with you.

i'll rather live in London then Moscow thats for sure

again you started talk about how excellent is your design. but it's just patriotic words. as you remember in previous talk - most of non londoners was disagree with you.

I don't think so.

Coth, please stay away from the UK forum, thanks.

I honestly couldn't care less if Moscow has 24,000 highrises.

London will still have an equally (if not more) impressive skyline, with its beautiful world famous views across the River Thames from Waterloo Bridge - the great dome of St Paul's rising majestically above the City skyline, with Wren's other church spires and turrets visible around it; the iconic world class designs of Leadenhall, Bishopsgate, Heron and SwissRe to its right; the dense cluster of skyscrapers at Canary Wharf on the horizon; the soaring elegant tapering silhouette of Shard London Bridge to the right of this; then panning around you'll have the clusters at Waterloo, Elephant and Castle, and Vauxhall; with the London Eye and Parliament Buildings to the right of all this; then panning around again you'll see the beautiful lowrise buildings on the Embankment, leading into the West End with all its wonderful Victoriana and historic buildings, mixed together with Centrepoint, Euston Tower and the BT Tower. What a truly amazing, awe-inspiring, beautiful fusion of old and new the London skyline will be in the next few years.

So - no Coth... will you please get it into your thick skull that I'm not jealous of Moscow. It should be the other way round - it's you that should be jealous of us.
will, you going to wrong direction saying you have quality. you have quality in business center as moscow. but you don't have tones of highrise residential blocks. just plans of few mid-high quality residential skyscrapers, again same as moscow.

WJ is right. We arent jealous, because we dont get jealous of height. London, the worlds best city, will have an amazing skyline, with well-designed, sexy skyscrapers which fit the height of the area. Moscow will have a mediocre one with ugly beasts, some so bad as being mostrosities wich will, sadly, curse Moscows skyline in the current decades.

London has litterally 1 or 2 skyscrapers that will not fit well or quite badlly designed, but they will be changed. It's a shame that once something gets approved in moscow, nice or totally terrible, it starts construction before the planners can see the mistakes they have made.

I will admit I really like the new russia tower, and I am quite fond of the federation tower, but the designs of the London towers are just breathtaking. They will mark the skyline of London, but in a good way, unlike those of Moscow.

Coth, please stay away from the UK forum, thanks.
i will not until you talk about comparision and present wrong numbers

but you don't have tones of highrise residential blocks.
Why would we want "tons of highrise residential blocks" blighting Central London? Your argument is completely flawed.

kid (or how to call you, since you don't like your nick?). only londoners says london is betst in the world. doesn't it ego?
24000 highrises to remind you. that is moscow. and skyscrapers is not a race, but normal development in the city with fast development and productivity of economy just few lower of london, but with huge percent of growth after pause in 70-90's. be it race luzhkov easly could select 1km foster version and approve construction of several more 100 floorers and build them in 4 years.

about retarted monkeys - again. people outside of london disagree with you.
24000 nasty old commie blocks yes. I remember, and if I were you I would refrain from showing people the pictures, because it is embarrassing for you.

London is doing something about it's horriblle old "highrises". Recladding them, or knocking them down to make way for new, futuristic buildings, but from those pictures you posted a while back it seems you are building even more!!

i will not until you talk about comparision and present wrong numbers
I've already given my perfectly valid and logical explanation for why London will have an equally (if not more) impressive skyline than Moscow's in the next few years. See post 70 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=8060903&postcount=70) of this thread.

Why would we want "tons of highrise residential blocks" blighting Central London? Your argument is completely flawed.

once again Will is spot on.

WJ is right. We arent jealous, because we dont get jealous of height. London, the worlds best city, will have an amazing skyline, with well-designed, sexy skyscrapers which fit the height of the area. Moscow will have a mediocre one with ugly beasts, some so bad as being mostrosities wich will, sadly, curse Moscows skyline in the current decades.

London has litterally 1 or 2 skyscrapers that will not fit well or quite badlly designed, but they will be changed. It's a shame that once something gets approved in moscow, nice or totally terrible, it starts construction before the planners can see the mistakes they have made.

I will admit I really like the new russia tower, and I am quite fond of the federation tower, but the designs of the London towers are just breathtaking. They will mark the skyline of London, but in a good way, unlike those of Moscow.
you like new russia tower because it was made by british designer. but all other world prefer old design made by boris thor.

again. talking about skyscrapers only (removing highrises). using your example it will be. moscow - tones of high quality skyscrapers, tones of mid-quality skyscrapers and 1 or 2 low quality. london - 1 or 2 high quality skyscrapers;)

but again as i was talking before. canary wharf isn't qualitative architecture. just looks excellent together. city is high quality skyscrapers but really bad skyline.

i will not until you talk about comparision and present wrong numbers

Fine. We hope you enjoy your stay here in the land of architectural quality.

Why would we want "tons of highrise residential blocks" blighting Central London? Your argument is completely flawed.
where have you seen tones of highrise residential block in central moscow?

you like new russia tower because it was made by british designer. but all other world prefer old design made by boris thor.

again. talking about skyscrapers only (removing highrises). using your example it will be. moscow - tones of high quality skyscrapers, tones of mid-quality skyscrapers and 1 or 2 low quality. london - 1 or 2 high quality skyscrapers;)

but again as i was talking before. canary wharf isn't qualitative architecture. just looks excellent together. city is high quality skyscrapers but really bad skyline.

I think I'll choose the secret option. London- dozens of high quality skyscrapers.

Go away Coth.

you like new russia tower because it was made by british designer. but all other world prefer old design made by boris thor.


Indeed, all of the other people who want Moscow to have a better skyline than the rest of europe.

Seriously, I would rather Madrid had a better skyline than moscow. At least they have quality to brag about, not just height or quantity.

They have 6 in planning or construction, but they are all better than Moscows

you now will. in all my life - i never heard statements in moscow forum that moscow is skyscraper and highriser god of europe, although it is.

^^ Nope. Wrong.

London will be, or La defense, depens on the >QUALITY< of there designs.

At least we admit it, and we believe it. Even if only 6 or 7 get built, we will still believe it. Because 99% are architectural marsterpieces

btw anybody know floor space of this project?
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/arts/2004/06/21/vortex1a.jpg

^^ Nope. Wrong.
it is;) big city is high quality and tallest in europe. muscovy city looks high quality as well, althrough not all buildings presented yet. residential skyscrapers are almost all high quality. haven't seen any rendering of setun hills business center and ikea business center yet, but except something good.

It isnt an actual project, it is just a vision by Make.

vision is vision, but how much floors areas?

btw we are in one forum now - European, don't you noticed? :)

it is;) big city is high quality and tallest in europe.

Big city?

Recent indications show London looks like it will overtake New York to become the most powerful city in the world once more, And alot of the people who think this are American bussiness men. London will need ALOT more space shortly, and all the proposals in Moscow at the minuite could never meet the demand London will face in a decade or so, we will need thousands of new buildings, and a big % of them will have to be highrise.

I can really see City airport getting bought in the next decade or so by a big company in order to make way for bigger developments, There is very little space to build out, London will soon HAVE to start building up.

vision is vision, but how much floors areas?

* The Vortex is planned for the City's outer eastern fringe if ever built.

* The Vortex is the first building designed by the new practise Make, of which 18 of the 21 staff have left from Foster and Partners.

* The head bod at Make is Ken Shuttleworth, one of the senior partners and the man who played a massive part in the design of Swiss RE and City Hall, London.

* The Vortex features the same unique style cladding as many of Shuttleworth's previous buildings.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/60Vortex_pic1.jpg

It is 70 floors, thats ^^ all it says on SKyacrpaer news

I don't like it myself, Is it really that colour?

Big city?

Recent indications show London looks like it will overtake New York to become the most powerful city in the world once more, And alot of the people who think this are American bussiness men. London will need ALOT more space shortly, and all the proposals in Moscow at the minuite could never meet the demand London will face in a decade or so, we will need thousands of new buildings, and a big % of them will have to be highrise.

I can really see City airport getting bought in the next decade or so by a big company in order to make way for bigger developments, There is very little space to build out, London will soon HAVE to start building up.
Big City is $100bln new center of moscow, where IBC is $12bln one of several planned cores.

Plus demand in Moscow in hundred times higher than in London. Few years ago, somewhere in 2001-2002, there was published somewhere nice rating of office floor areas in CBDs. as i remember tokyo has 520mln sq ft. moscow - 1,4mln sq ft. london i think over 300mln.

I don't like it myself, Is it really that colour?
this is just model, so don't look at colors. but one man in russian forum saying that this tower is more profitable than foster's russia tower. i'm looking for space figure of this building.

btw we have own egg in moscow. just 6 storeys tall stylisation for faberge egg, but 1000x better than swiss re.

The only thing I have to say about that is BOLLOX ( great big khona one's)

this is just model, so don't look at colors. but one man in russian forum saying that this tower is more profitable than foster's russia tower. i'm looking for space figure of this building.

You could try the architects site there may be info on there:

http://www.makearchitects.com/

@ismail
when you start comparision talk with foreign cities - expect that people from that cities will act on this talk and will join discussion.

I think you'll find that we were having a local discussion with in the UK Forum and you stuck your nose in where it does not belong, so from the bottom of my hart GO BACK TO YOUR OWN FORUM :stupid:

Big City is $100bln new center of moscow, where IBC is $12bln one of several planned cores.

Plus demand in Moscow in hundred times higher than in London. Few years ago, somewhere in 2001-2002, there was published somewhere nice rating of office floor areas in CBDs. as i remember tokyo has 520mln sq ft. moscow - 1,4mln sq ft. london i think over 300mln.

Well I'm jsut going on what I've read. The fact is that London and NewYork are currently the most powerfull financial centres on earth, and it looks like London is going to overtake New York, as any businesses are starting to prefer London t New York, and soon, in the next decade, London should see a huge increase in demand.

London is becoming the most desirable location on earth. That can only mean lots more office space will be needed. And as I said London has very little space left to build out with small buildings, so will have to start building ots of highrises.

Sau paulo? SHANGHAI? dont make me laugh!

You really dothink you are all-mighty on the skyscraper front don't you? As said before, London is the best city in the world, we dont need tall towers like Moscow does, we get them to meet demand, not to go on some stupid ego-trip, that in the end will be ill fated when the towers wont be filled and billions will have been wasted.

As I have said, many times, quality. not height or quantity. I'd rather just have the 147m Multiplex tower than all of the Moscow projects, because 99% look like they were designed by retarded monkeys!


Well said.

And to and to that, What you call high rise residential in Moscow, We call them Mistakes of the 60's, these are the housing estates that are now being knocked down all over the UK to make way for the quality housing of the future aka Multiplex.
By the way COTH, have you ever been to Sau Paulo?
Makes even Moscow look good :) :)

lol

Exactly, the 'highrises' of the past are horrible, but Mosow seems to still be building them

yes, it was mistake in UK. but not in Russia. even commieblock v1.0 looks like heaven comparing to uk style...
http://foto.rambler.ru/photos/a/l/aleksey-kuznetsow/3/P1010045/P1010045.jpg (v1 in Moscow)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Cwmbran_tower_block.jpg (v1 in UK)

your mistake is clearly visible.

but commieblocks are most comfortable place for live so we developed them to v2. most of commieblocks built from mid 90's is v2.
some examples of v2+. hundreds of them built in moscow in last years.
http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=215376
http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=433947
http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=233660
http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=444046
http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=352140
http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=444210
http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=418000

;)

btw another reason why don't you build them now is your population.
1951 - 8,2mln
1961 - 8,0mln
1971 - 7,4mln
1981 - 6,6mln
1991 - 6,7mln
2001 - 7,2mln

Moscow
1956 - 4,8mln
1959 - 5,0mln
1970 - 6,9mln
1979 - 7,8mln
1989 - 8,8mln
2002 - 10,1mln
2005 - 10,4mln

Piss off.

Coth your the most boring poster on these forums ... BY FAR :(

it is also boring when somebody saying something incorrect specially to draw bad or wrong opinion...

it was kid's words, which i rephrased;)

coth can you really not see that those commieblocks look awfull, if you can't take a look through the UK forum (the one your in now) and see what 21st century skyscrapers are supposed to look like

themongrel, most of commieblocks built in russia does not looks awful. and again. commieblocks are not all highrise projects in moscow. we have numerous projects of high quality skyscrapers.

[QUOTE=coth]btw another reason why don't you build them now is your population.


yes cause our population hates them, even if we had to double the population of london we wouldn't build them again

no. wrong. doubled population will force you to look at this way - thousands of cheap and comfortable highrises.

well, i said enough once again - london is best of all in architecture and not most highriser city in europe... leaving this thread...

ps. may be it's time to start thread moscow skyscraper ranking by 2015... ;)

no we wouldn't, trust me, we wouldn't. what would happen is you'd get lots of towers simular to the style of the ones already going up, and then loads of midrises (10 - 25 floors)

:fiddle:

London's obviously better, afterall we didn't get knocked out in the first round of the 2012 Olympic decision....

isnt londons population increasing? also why would be more demand for floorspace in a shithole like moscow?

@DarJoLe
London does not have millions of Anglophobes around the world that working on smearing of London's image, unlike Moscow/Russia and millions of Russophobes even in Washington's White House and US Senate. Just some tens thousands.

@Sanchez
i would not be so sure telling such things, considering that Moscow has millionaires and billionaires in times more than London, almost all working population as middle and high class and 0,003% of unemployment ...;)

isnt londons population increasing? also why would be more demand for floorspace in a shithole like moscow?

Because Moscow has very little grade A office space- what people tend to forget when they see skyscrapers being knocked up in Moscow, Dubai etc is that these are the only offices around of high quality whereas somewhere like London or Paris is full of grade A office space.

@coth- who cares how many millionaires/billionaires Moscow has got - How many poor people are there in moscow who just about scrape by because all these billionaires robbed Russia in the 90,s- nothing to be proud of there me thinks.

And why does everyone think that a massive population increase is a good thing- Do you honestly think London or will be a better place if it hits 8 million plus- It just adds to the congestion, pollution etc etc- Same for Moscow,who cares if the population increases by a couple of million in the decade or so.

@london lad
thanks, that is indeed i was talking about. can't find that rating now. but i clearly remember tokyo figure in 520mln sq ft and moscow in just 1,4mln sq ft..

isnt londons population increasing? also why would be more demand for floorspace in a shithole like moscow?

? be serious man. To call moscow a 'shithole'. Moscow has much bigger central population than London.

^^ SOO????

you just jealous we have so much supertall project.

city hall is four independent towers connected by many bridges and huge bridges at top
http://dva3.ru//pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/fin.jpg

http://www.citynext.com/15.asp
The Spatial construction consisting of four vertical structural elements, is formed by:
- four 70-floor towers with premises grouped around a communication "nucleus";
- four 8-floor horizontal "bridges" connecting towers at the top part;
- 20 "bridges" in height in a floor, "tieing up" all volume through everyone of 8 floors by a vertical;



^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^That building is not the nicest building I have seen on my travels around the world

I've already given my perfectly valid and logical explanation for why London will have an equally (if not more) impressive skyline than Moscow's in the next few years. See post 70 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=8060903&postcount=70) of this thread.


^^ I agree with you totally :) :)

^^ SOO????

I'm really not sticking up for Moscow or anything. The majority of these posts are criminal though.

@DarJoLe
London does not have millions of Anglophobes around the world that working on smearing of London's image, unlike Moscow/Russia and millions of Russophobes even in Washington's White House and US Senate. Just some tens thousands.


Ahhh yes everybody hates you...same story again...:pet:

Btw ban coth.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=331821

There are some exciting developments in Moscow no doubt, but who would seriously want to live or work there? The Economist described the place as "not, in general, a city that works. The two conspicuous exceptions are the Metro and the central heating".

Conservative estimates say there tens of thousands of rough sleepers, who sometimes receive the kind of official 'assistance' meted out by police "death squads" in Latin America.

Last year the interior minister declared that Russia was living through a new wave of child homelessness, comparable to those induced by the civil war and the second world war.

There are horrific problems for the thousands of migrant workers from former Soviet states, many of whom are not registered - racism, extortion, violence - and that's just from the police.

Pollution and organised crime are virtually ignored by the authorities.

In short, the city is a bit of a dump. Sorry Coth. I blame the Communists, the oligarchs, Putin and Luzkhov (the powerful mayor of the city).

^ :applause:

It is a shame that people still have to live that way, anywhere in the world

There are some exciting developments in Moscow no doubt, but who would seriously want to live or work there? The Economist described the place as "not, in general, a city that works. The two conspicuous exceptions are the Metro and the central heating".

Conservative estimates say there tens of thousands of rough sleepers, who sometimes receive the kind of official 'assistance' meted out by police "death squads" in Latin America.

Last year the interior minister declared that Russia was living through a new wave of child homelessness, comparable to those induced by the civil war and the second world war.

There are horrific problems for the thousands of migrant workers from former Soviet states, many of whom are not registered - racism, extortion, violence - and that's just from the police.

Pollution and organised crime are virtually ignored by the authorities.

In short, the city is a bit of a dump. Sorry Coth. I blame the Communists, the oligarchs, Putin and Luzkhov (the powerful mayor of the city).
First of all. Economist always been anti Russian so they have tones of lies. However, they seems started changing their view, so there is few unbiased articles were posted in last months... but it's still uncommon...

There is no problem of homeless children in Moscow. Utter rubbish. 2550 homeless muscovites - this is significantly low figure. Unlike in London Moscow sped tones of money on them. Reaching one's majority they all getting flat for free and tones of social privilegies in society. Moscow is a center of Eurasian migartion so of course we have many illegal workers. Some of them become millionaires trading on open markets, some working on constructions, some has problems with employers etc etc. This is normal. No rasicm in Moscow at all. Full lie. There is 1,5mln Azerbaijanian community in Moscow. And I never heard about any conflicts between them and nationalists. As of minister words - there was no such statements about Moscow. Lie.
Moscow is indeed city which is works in all aspects. Without oil money it is catched Western European cities in 10 years after 20 years of crisis.

So yet again. Falling in on topic discussion and trying to smear opponent...




@El_Greco
:|

^Coth live those arrogant english boys alone please. Moscow has got much better projects.

@coth What ?

First of all. Economist always been anti Russian so they have tones of lies. However, they seems started changing their view, so there is few unbiased articles were posted in last months... but it's still uncommon...

There is no problem of homeless children in Moscow. Utter rubbish. 2550 homeless muscovites - this is significantly low figure. Unlike in London Moscow sped tones of money on them. Reaching one's majority they all getting flat for free and tones of social privilegies in society. Moscow is a center of Eurasian migartion so of course we have many illegal workers. Some of them become millionaires trading on open markets, some working on constructions, some has problems with employers etc etc. This is normal. No rasicm in Moscow at all. Full lie. There is 1,5mln Azerbaijanian community in Moscow. And I never heard about any conflicts between them and nationalists. As of minister words - there was no such statements about Moscow. Lie.
Moscow is indeed city which is works in all aspects. Without oil money it is catched Western European cities in 10 years after 20 years of crisis.

So yet again. Falling in on topic discussion and trying to smear opponent...




@El_Greco
:|

Rubbish rubbish rubbish and you know that.

^Coth live those arrogant english boys alone please. Moscow has got much better projects.

^^ I think you'll find that these arrogant english boys are just the best guys in the whole wide world.

and Moscow does not have the best projects

I would MUCH rather live and work in London than moscow, and im sure most non russians, and non Brits would agree. Moscow sounds like a bit of a dump from what i hear, and russia is no where near as developed as the UK, so the choise is obviouse.

I would MUCH rather live and work in London than moscow, and im sure most non russians, and non Brits would agree. Moscow sounds like a bit of a dump from what i hear, and russia is no where near as developed as the UK, so the choise is obviouse.

^^ I agree with you on that one :)

and Moscow does not have the best projects
nobody says it is.
but Lodnon does not have best project as well, nor even better or worse business centers than in Moscow.




@tuten, indeed from what you heard, so this post is for you as well.
London does not have millions of Anglophobes around the world that working on smearing of London's image, unlike Moscow/Russia and millions of Russophobes even in Washington's White House and US Senate. Just some tens thousands.

Coth, You obviously worked in the old Iraqi defense ministry along side comical ally, I mean where else could you have learnt to talk such crap! :weirdo:

So there are only 2550 homeless people in Moscow are there, and I bet you know all their first names, mind you your probabaly right because all the others have shot by the nice fromer KGB police officers :righton:

Still If I were one of the 2550 i woudn't worry, this time next year they'll all be billionairs :cheers:

I'm really not sticking up for Moscow or anything. The majority of these posts are criminal though.

closet commie1 :bash:

@ismail
i have heard there are 27 thous homeless children in London once... can you provide correct figure with source?

^Coth live those arrogant english boys alone please. Moscow has got much better projects.

And you've had as many prim-ministers as Moscow has homeless mate, so go cast vote :bash:

@ismail
i have heard there are 27 thous homeless children in London once... can you provide correct figure with source?

There probabally was in the 19th century, but i doubt there are 27000 total homeless in London now, sadly i do not know the exact figure, in fact i doubt anyone really does.

Moscow
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/tuten07/P3284584_moscow_skyline_sm2.jpg


London
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/tuten07/abienna101.jpg


Where whould you rather be? :sleepy:

isn't really good selecting most worst bad quality picture for one side and picture of business center on another.

isn't really good selecting most worst bad quality picture for one side and picture of business center on another.

Sorry but i feel that it is the general impression of moscow, commie block after commie block.
However i do love the kremlin, and there are probably some other nice buildings, but that photo basicly sums up moscow

Coth you're right Moscow does look like Sau Paulo :baeh3: :goodnight

@El_Greco
:|

Well I said What?So please answer.Russophobes are attacking you again eh?

@ismail
i have heard there are 27 thous homeless children in London once... can you provide correct figure with source?

Thats probably about right.
The current estimate of the London homeless population is somewhere around 100,000 people.

Around 75% of those are people waiting for a council house to become available. The remaining people are mainly single homeless people who are living in various forms of hostel, using night shelters, sleeping rough and squatting.

You won't find children sleeping rough under commie blocks like you do in Russia.

there is no children under commieblocks in russia. on street there is only children from other countries (Moldova, Ukraine, Poland, Romania, Czechia etc etc etc from around all Eurasia). but moscow spends tones of moneys even on them, while shouldn't. number of non-muscovites homeless children in moscow decreased from 30 thous in 2002 to 13 thous in 2005. how much of 13 thous are on streets i don't know. not much. just several of them around central stations. they staying near them after coming to moscow.


@tuten
commieblocks are not ugly in moscow. the photo simply is bad quality, taken with coulds in winter.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=334800
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=321823
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=302107

and of course additionally there is huge historical center
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=318998
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=328534
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=103443
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=271971
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=157546
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=266780
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=304192
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=158879
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=157860
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=269458
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=271177
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=158802
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=267221
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=265203
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=257071


here is some photos of london;)
http://skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=4166571&postcount=76