Miami=Dadeland [Archive] - SkyscraperCity

brickell

June 9th, 2005, 04:36 AM

Here's a Dadeland update a posted a while ago at Urbanplanet...

The promised Dadeland Update from the print edition of the Miami Today 05/12/05 edition

3,000 units in the pipeline with 500 available by this summer

Towers of Dadeland (1st and 2nd phases ??) - 335 units ready in 4 - 6 weeks.

Metropolis (tower 1) - 207 units ready by the end of summer
Metropolis (tower 2) - 197 units ready by the end of the year - designed by Nichols Brosch Sandoval.

Downtown Dadeland - 416 units designed by Spillis Candela.

Dadeland Park village - 783 unit "complex" (not sure where this one is) architect: Bermello Ajamil and RRevuelta Vega Leon

Fairfield at Dadeland - 403 units planned as rentals but is being converted. First phase incorporates a room to go at ground level has been topped off. The tower portion will rise to 25 stories with one level of underground parking.

The Colonnade - 4 ten story towers, 555 units total. Permits have yet to be pulled for this project at time of printing but I believe they have recently got those. A little worried that this project is going so slow. Architect - Bermello Ajamil

New...

Dayco Dadeland - 25 story 255 unit condo tower is in the permitting stage. designed by Nichols Brosch.

City Furniture Dadeland - in the permitting stage. Designed by Garcia Brenner Stormberg.

Dadeland Hotel - 15 stories. designed by J. Scott Architects.

Archstone at Dadeland - 10 story residential project is in the conceptual stage. Designed by Gabriel Salazar.

dave8721

June 9th, 2005, 03:07 PM

About Dadeland Park: I know someone who lived in one of the rental apartments that is being torn down to build the tower. They got their eviction notices 6 months ago, with a move out date of either this month or next month. So demolition could begin soon.

brickell

June 10th, 2005, 12:46 AM

here's an ad with rendering for Dadeland Park Village.

http://premierdesignhomes.net/dadeland_main.jpg

nimbyhater

June 10th, 2005, 04:07 AM

like this one... nice and dense... luks like theres lotsa units packed into there... in how long can we expect construction of this one to start?

ChuckScraperMiami#1

June 10th, 2005, 07:24 AM

like this one... nice and dense... luks like theres lotsa units packed into there... in how long can we expect construction of this one to start?
Nimby :) , my friend, just like the Colonnade, in about 5 years, lol. The Colonnade is still shifting dirt hills from one site to another , and the sales trailer still have more stray cats under the office than people on site, lol. :cheers:

renner01

June 10th, 2005, 11:36 AM

05/23/05 started about a week ago - delay was due to permitting issues says carolina at lennar. Hasn't started vertical yet. but they supposedly had picked out Moss & Associates as the general contractor

streetscapeer

June 16th, 2005, 01:59 PM

great news for DT Kendall

dave8721

June 22nd, 2005, 08:42 PM

Some Dadeland news below. Does anyone know anything about that project mentioned at the bottom: Renaissance at Dadeland, 245 units at 8100 SW 72nd Ave. Is that Dadeland Park?

http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/050623/story4.shtml

Large Texas developer plans to hold onto Dadeland condo project

By Marilyn Bowden
One of the nation's largest residential developers is building a condo community in the bustling Dadeland Mall area.
Fairfield Development, headquartered in Texas, has 35 years of development experience nationwide, but
Vice President Omar Del Rio said the company's focus in the Miami area has been to sell projects under construction or rehabilitation, often to condo converters.
Toscano, the company's Dadeland project, represents a departure from that strategy. Mr. Del Rio said it's the first South Florida development Fairfield will retain through completion.
"Fairfield loves markets with high barriers to entry such as Southern California, the District of Columbia and Boston," Mr. Del Rio said. "These are markets where it's tougher and more expensive to build and where it takes more time to get a project entitled. This is where we have our expertise."
Although Fairfield has been a major apartment developer, he said, "due to years of low interest rates, the rental market throughout the country lost a good deal of clientele, especially on the high end. Everyone is buying, and with construction costs going through the roof, it's tough to make a rental work."
Fairfield announced that sales have begun for Toscano, a 25-story, 396-unit community with ground-level retail that is under construction at 7360 N. Kendall Dr., across the street from Dadeland Mall in one direction and Publix in another.
The first phase will be completed early next summer, said Mr. Del Rio.
Ron Shuffield, president of Esslinger Wooten Maxwell Realtors, which is marketing the condos, said 66 were sold in the first weekend on the market. He said he anticipates a 50% sellout by the end of this month.
"We are dealing with a lot more users than most projects through the contacts our salespeople have," he said. "Since the first phase of the project is visibly under way and will be ready in a year, it's not like buying during presales."
He said units range from 687 to 2,499 square feet and are priced from the low $200,000s. Buyers tend to be younger people or empty-nesters, he said, who want to be near rapid transit and be able to walk to conveniences. The sales center is in Dadeland Mall next to Saks Fifth Avenue.
Mr. Shuffield said the Multiple Listing Service shows an inventory of only 60 existing condos for resale in the 11 square miles between Kendall Drive, US 1, 136th Street and Florida's Turnpike. "We're selling about 25 a month," he said, "so that's less than a three-month level of inventory. It shows there's a real shortage of condo units in this area."
The county's zoning department lists more than 3,000 condos planned for the Dadeland area, but Mr. Shuffield said fewer than 1,000 are under construction. "The buildout will be staggered," he said.
Toscano, designed by Nichols Brosch Wurst Wolf & Associates, will consist of two main buildings with differing unit styles, Mr. Del Rio said. The first phase, a five-story building fronting Kendall Drive, will feature ground-floor retail topped by four levels of residential units built around a courtyard. The second residential tower will be 25 stories high.
Because the county has mandated concealed parking facilities for construction near Dadeland, Mr. Del Rio said, residential units will wrap around the garage. A tri-level bridge connecting the two buildings to facilitate access to parking will house a gymnasium, he said.
Amenities include a 25,000-square-foot recreational deck with heated swimming pool and whirlpool spa, a fitness center with cardio and free-weight equipment, an exercise studio, sauna rooms and a meditation garden.
Among residential projects planned or under way in Dadeland are the335-unit Towers of Dadeland at Dadeland North Metrorail station; Downtown Dadeland, 416 units at Southwest 88th Street and Dadeland Boulevard; the Colonnade, 555 units at Southwest 82nd Street and Southwest 72nd Avenue; and Renaissance at Dadeland, 245 units at 8100 SW 72nd Ave.
Details: toscanocondos.com.

brickell

June 23rd, 2005, 07:49 AM

^ The address shows it being the complex just north of Collonade. Property records shows it being owned by "API DADELAND LLC
C/O ARCHSTONE SMITH OPERATING TRS
6 PIEDMONT CENTER SUITE 600 ATLANTA GA
30305-"

Which likely means it's the 10 story Archstone project mentioned above.

google map area just north of dadeland mall: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=kendall,+fl&ll=25.693631,-80.308599&spn=0.004807,0.007939&t=k&hl=en

Collonade is where the white buildings are. That lot is cleared now. Archland would be the lot north of that. Dadeland Park will probably be the middle apartment complex on the east side of 72nd ave. I can't confirm that though.

brickell

June 23rd, 2005, 07:53 AM

Nevermind. The middle lot is owned by Premier Urban Properties, the developer of Dadeland Park Village.

brickell

June 24th, 2005, 08:21 AM

Here's a little map of the projects i whipped up if anybody is interested.

Red: Collonade
Yellow: Renaissance at Dadeland
Blue: Dadeland Park Village
Green: Towers of Dadeland

http://www.miamiprogress.com/images/dadelandno.jpg

streetscapeer

June 24th, 2005, 06:15 PM

thanks, brickell...I wish Colonnade would start building already...they're taking entirely too long!

south florida dave

June 24th, 2005, 07:58 PM

good stuff brickell. that does help.

MIAballinboi

June 25th, 2005, 03:42 AM

nice brickell

dave8721

August 8th, 2005, 08:25 PM

By the way, Collonade looks like they are finally underway, with big holes dug in the ground and lots of activity going on.
Also, there was an accident at the Downtown Dadeland site this morning. From the news reports I saw it looks like a partial roof collapse of one of the buildings injuring some workers who had to be airlifted to Jackson Memorial.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/12331881.htm

Three construction workers hurt in Kendall

By LUISA YANEZ

lyanez@herald.com

Three construction workers were injured Monday morning when material toppled on top of them as they worked on a high-rise condominium across the street from Dadeland Mall.

Several fire rescue units reported to the site just after 11 a.m. to remove the workers, trapped on the third floor of the skeletal structure at 7250 N. Kendall Dr., Miami-Dade fire rescue said.

Rescuers had to use Stokes baskets to lower the men to the ground

dave8721

August 31st, 2005, 09:29 PM

An article about the Dadeland Breeze project on Kendall Drive just west of the Palmetto. Not sure how I feel about this project. It will have basically no pedestrian access to the rest of Dadeland (the palmetto expressway off ramp right in front of the parcel simply flows onto Kendall Dr in its own lane, i.e. no stop light or anything). Its even hard for cars to get out of the current property much less pedestrians.

http://www.communitynewspapers.com/2005/columnists/MichaelMiller/article-Michael.htm

Excerpt:
Dadeland Breeze ownership seeks 640 condominium and townhome units in a redevelopment of the 306-unit Kendall Park rental complex at 7701 N. Kendall Dr. by appealing a prior Community Council 12 rejection of a rezoning proposal last May.

More than 20 homeowner associations in the East Kendall area have gone on record, organized protest rallies and directed placard-waving sidewalk groups bearing signage to urge Commissioners to vote against bringing higher-density condominium development west of the Palmetto Expressway.

Folks in that neck of the woods gaze over at Downtown Dadeland’s new skyscrapers and vow they’ll hold the line at the Palmetto Expressway, right where Dadeland Breeze and its eight-story structures are proposed, adjoining SR 826 at its northwest intersection with N. Kendall Drive.

The Community Council as well as resident activists are still burning about promises they say planners made several years ago when special zoning created the new downtown Dadeland condominiums. At that time, a rationale said that keeping high-rise in Dadeland area clusters would prevent their proliferation in Kendall, east of the Palmetto X-way.
Let’s see if government keeps its word in October!

dave8721

September 14th, 2005, 09:23 PM

Not Dadeland area but West Kendall:

The western sprawl continues...Too bad Don Carter's bowling alley is closing down (after 40 years) to make way for yet another strip mall.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/12637352.htm

Developers plan shopping centers in West Kendall

Two local developers set sights on infill development in key South Florida markets. Alliance starts with three new projects in West Kendall.

BY ELAINE WALKER

ewalker@herald.com

Finding space for more strip shopping centers in the already crowded West Kendall market seems like a tall order.

But Master Development and Woolbright Development have assembled almost 70 acres of property for three projects in the area, representing more than 700,000-square-feet of retail.

Scheduled to open within a little more than two years, the West Kendall projects will bring a combination of big-box retailers, restaurants, specialty retailers and family recreation.

It's part of a bigger plan by the two companies to look for infill development or redevelopment opportunities in areas of South Florida that seem built out.

''It's about finding unique sites and being able to negotiate with unique sellers,'' said Bob Shapiro, president of Master Development of Hallandale Beach. ``If you look hard enough and have a feel for it, there are several years of supply available.''

In West Kendall, the partnership has found opportunities in places like the old Don Carter Kendall Lanes and a 40-acre tomato and strawberry field across from the Tamiami Airport.

Industry experts say finding tenants for the projects won't be hard.

''West Kendall is a great market,'' said Paco Diaz, senior vice president of retail properties for CB Richard Ellis. ``Everybody wants to be in West Kendall. Nothing new has been built there for awhile.''

While Shapiro's firm, Master Development, is in charge of finding and creating the development opportunities, Woolbright Development of Boca Raton offers access to capital and the people to oversee all phases of construction, leasing and operations.

''We want partners like Bob [Shapiro] with local experience to get the knowledge you need on the ground, and then we bring in a much larger organization to execute the project,'' said Duane Stiller, president of Woolbright Development, which currently has a retail portfolio in Florida valued at $2 billion and expects to reach $5 billion by 2008.

West Kendall was a natural place for the partnership to start, because Shapiro knows the market well. Over the last eight years, he has developed, owned or renovated a variety of centers there, including Kendall Mall, Kendall Corners and South Kendall Square.

With more than 400,000 people living within the heart of West Kendall, Shapiro and other retail experts agree that the density continues to make it an attractive market for retailers.

''We think we can fill another million square feet if we had it,'' Shapiro said. ``There are a lot of people that want to be in this market but can't find a place.''

Developer Jeff Berkowitz, who owns Kendall Village and Kendall Gate, isn't worried about the competition. He thinks that the increasing traffic along Kendall Drive makes it viable to have more retail options in the area.

''It's still a significant drive,'' Berkowitz said. ``The additional density warrants additional stores.''

jzquince69

September 14th, 2005, 11:24 PM

there is a dadeland thread somewhere...

rider_of_rohan

September 16th, 2005, 04:50 AM

Not Dadeland area but West Kendall:

The western sprawl continues...Too bad Don Carter's bowling alley is closing down (after 40 years) to make way for yet another strip mall.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/12637352.htm

NOOOOOO Damn it Don Carter lanes was a kick ass place to be. We used to have a lot of fun out there. I think they need to maintain some of the family oriented stuff down there. :bash:

ChuckScraperMiami#1

September 17th, 2005, 02:47 AM

True Rider of ROHAN :hi: , all 72 Lanes closed after over 25 years of fun and entertainment, it was one of the Best places to bring the kids to bowl and play video games, now there's no place to bring the grandkids to have fun anymore. its coming down :gaah: , soon, to build a Super Target :weird: , lol. :jk: :crazy2: :tyty:

BornInTheGrove

September 17th, 2005, 03:10 AM

there's alwayz Strike Miami...

ChuckScraperMiami#1

September 17th, 2005, 05:06 PM

there's alwayz Strike Miami...

Yes :happy: , Born in the Grove :wink2: , just not as great as the Don Carter Kendall lanes, it was a family tradition, GONE, forever, anyway
Born in the Grove :wave: , did ya Vote in the Florida Forum in the thread " which City do you like overall ", Miami is now at 87 Votes :cheer: , we just need 13 More votes to make a MAGIC 100 :applause: , what a Great celebration that will be, Lets Do it !!! :banana: :pepper: :banana2:

BornInTheGrove

September 17th, 2005, 08:36 PM

Yes :happy: , Born in the Grove :wink2: , just not as great as the Don Carter Kendall lanes, it was a family tradition, GONE, forever, anyway
Born in the Grove :wave: , did ya Vote in the Florida Forum in the thread " which City do you like overall ", Miami is now at 87 Votes :cheer: , we just need 13 More votes to make a MAGIC 100 :applause: , what a Great celebration that will be, Lets Do it !!! :banana: :pepper: :banana2:

When i was 8, i played in a bowling league at don carters.. one of my fondest memories of the place. I was joking btw when i mentioned strike lolol... did i vote? I SURE DID!!! Miami all the way!

MIAballinboi

September 17th, 2005, 11:23 PM

^ya well don carters was one of the places to go for us west kendall residents, sux.

havent been to the one @ dolphin yet, but looks cool from outside. but w/e

nimbyhater

September 20th, 2005, 08:45 PM

at least we still got bird bowl by me... tho kinda sketchy... hey, its character rite?

The Mad Hatter!!

September 21st, 2005, 01:16 AM

hey nimby one more post for 1,000

birdbowl's awesome,thats the hangout spot for after the football games.\\i was there friday

as for don carters its to far but its alot bigger than birdbowl,i like how they have the 2 sides-its also more expensive.

the best bowling alley used to be cloverleaf but cloverleaf is no more.

robertee

November 27th, 2005, 09:07 AM

are there any updates on the projects in downtown kendall-dadeland??????? its been a while....... :sleepy:

Roark

November 27th, 2005, 09:35 AM

nimbyhater

November 27th, 2005, 08:43 PM

if ya got a pocket full of twenties...

rider_of_rohan

November 28th, 2005, 12:03 AM

DGM

November 28th, 2005, 01:44 AM

I just got back from a weekend in Miami. One of the Metropolis towers is painted and painting began on the shorter of the Tuscano buildings. Both Metropolis and Tuscano are going to have beige and red paint schemes. All of the Downtown Dadeland buildings are topped out now and the 25 story Tuscano building seems to be somewhere around 15 floors. It is looking real nice I wish i had a digital camera so I could show you guys. Maybe I'll get a shot of them during winter break.

ChuckScraperMiami#1

November 28th, 2005, 04:14 AM

Chuckles...like Three Dog Night (Eric Burden ?) sorta sang, when one bowling alley dies, there'll be one bowling alley born to carry on, carry on.....yeah.

Lucky Strike on South Beach is a nice little place within walking distance. It's a great place to watch football games too.

ROARK :) , " Carry on my wayward son !, there'll be peace when you are done !, lay your weary head to rest !, Don't you cry No more !, NO !!!, do do do do !!!, do do do do !!!, do do do do !!!,do do do do, by the three dog night group in the late 60's early 70's. :cheers:

DGM

November 28th, 2005, 04:47 AM

I always thought that song was drug inspired not bowling alley inspired.

Roark

November 28th, 2005, 06:20 AM

I always thought that song was drug inspired not bowling alley inspired.Well...drugs...bowling...same thing. Chuckster...that was Kansas.
One way toward total elightenment....watchThe Big Lebowski.

rider_of_rohan

November 28th, 2005, 06:32 AM

ROARK :) , " Carry on my wayward son !, there'll be peace when you are done !, lay your weary head to rest !, Don't you cry No more !, NO !!!, do do do do !!!, do do do do !!!, do do do do !!!,do do do do, by the three dog night group in the late 60's early 70's. :cheers:

Chuck I read something that said that county workers for Miami Dade have to live in the county now, didnt you say you worked for the county?

dave8721

November 28th, 2005, 03:35 PM

nimbyhater

November 29th, 2005, 01:24 AM

finally... weve been waiting for that one for a while... was worried it wasnt gonna happen

ChuckScraperMiami#1

December 1st, 2005, 03:37 AM

The Collonade is well underway on the north side of Dadeland as well.
DAVE ! :) , this is great, I drove by there today, two huge white and blue Tower Construction cranes on their way up at tower # 1 of the Colonade towers, with more sales flags in the front of the sales trailer, looking good. :cheers:

p.s. I say, Go Cranes !!! :runaway:

ChuckScraperMiami#1

December 1st, 2005, 03:41 AM

Chuck I read something that said that county workers for Miami Dade have to live in the county now, didnt you say you worked for the county?

Rider of ROHAN :) , yes , my friend , I have 28 years now, grandfathered in, LOL, and true I live temporary in Davie now, but will be back in Miami-Dade soon in a houseboat in North Bay Village next to channel 7 news station, hehehe. :cheers:

dave8721

December 1st, 2005, 11:41 PM

DAVE ! :) , this is great, I drove by there today, two huge white and blue Tower Construction cranes on their way up at tower # 1 of the Colonade towers, with more sales flags in the front of the sales trailer, looking good. :cheers:

p.s. I say, Go Cranes !!! :runaway:

Did they actually sell most of those condos? Hard to beleive at the prices they were asking. Probably double the prices of all the other condos going up in the area (~$400k for a 1 bedroom the last I saw)

ChuckScraperMiami#1

December 3rd, 2005, 03:41 AM

Did they actually sell most of those condos? Hard to beleive at the prices they were asking. Probably double the prices of all the other condos going up in the area (~$400k for a 1 bedroom the last I saw)

DAVE :) , my Friend, Downtown Kendall is HOT, so hot these one bedrooms are selling fast at 450,000, a great market here all of a sudden. The first 10 floor tower of the Colonade iss sold out , with the second 10 floor tower just broken ground, and getting ready for its foundation soon. :cheers:

DGM

December 27th, 2005, 02:34 AM

Does anyone know what is happening with the Dadeland Medical Building and all of its parking lots? The land that these occupy could accomodate a development as large as Toscano. According to Metropolis on Urbanplanet the building will be torn down and replaced by a state of the art medical high rise. Aessotariq, on the same forum, also said that the building was "slated to be torn down". I've also heard rumors that the parking lot between Toscano and Downtown Dadeland is going to be developed. A recent rendering of Toscano has buildings placed in that parking lot. If all this is true there will be very little surface parking left in the whole downtown kendall area.

brickell

December 30th, 2005, 06:31 PM

Not Dadeland, but in East Kendall/Baptist area... The Mission Bell project has been canceled.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/13511189.htm

Codina Group pulls plug on project
Well known developer Armando Codina is returning deposits on a Kendall condominium after some permitting snafus.
BY JENNIFER MOONEY PIEDRA AND MATTHEW HAGGMAN
jmooney@MiamiHerald.com

Prominent Miami developer Armando Codina has pulled the plug on a much anticipated luxury condominium project in East Kendall, because his company didn't obtain all the necessary construction approvals from the county by a Dec. 31 deadline.

Mission Bell Park was slated to be built on 9 acres of vacant land just west of Baptist Hospital at 9100 N. Kendall Dr. About 75 percent of the units in the planned 318-unit complex had been sold.

But for the first time in the Codina Group's 25-year history, company executives say, it sent letters Wednesday notifying buyers their deposits -- plus 7.5-percent interest -- will be returned.

Esslinger Wooten Maxwell, which represented the Codina Group in marketing and selling the project, also has never been involved in a project that returned deposits, according to Ronald A. Shuffield, president of EWM, the second-largest real estate broker in South Florida.

''This project is halted indefinitely,'' said Rafael Rodon, executive vice president of the Codina Group. ``That's not to say that something couldn't come back to life.''

In part, Codina's move amounts to another cautionary tale about buying preconstruction condo units, which generally are marketed and sold to the public before regulatory approvals are completed.

But typically, troubled condo projects in the current boom have run aground -- forcing developers to return deposits -- because of developers' inexperience, difficulty in getting financing, or rising construction costs.

In this instance, the developer is an accomplished veteran ready to start construction.

`THE FIRST TIME'

''It's the first time we've ever been involved in anything like this,'' said Shuffield. ''It is very frustrating.'' The Mission Bell Park project has been in the works since 1997, when the county approved plans to develop the land into condos. The county at the same time approved plans to develop an adjacent, 11-acre property, where a 156-room Radisson Hotel is now located.

But the Coral Gables-based Codina Group has repeatedly run into hurdles with its Mission Bell Park project, which is a partnership between it and Sundale Development.

Sundale, based in Kendall, also owns the neighboring 11-acre parcel, where Sundale's owner, Phil Scutieri, plans to build a new condo hotel next to the Radisson.

The Miami-Dade Planning and Zoning Department wouldn't allow the Codina Group to move forward with the condo project until a public hearing was held on Sundale's plans to develop the adjacent property.

SUNDALE'S REQUEST

Sundale went before the Kendall Community Council Dec. 6 to request permission to build on the 11-acre site.

Along with that application, the Codina Group expected to win final approval for Mission Bell Park. Company officials hoped to break ground on the project in January.

But John Shubin, an attorney for Sundale, asked to delay the application. Another public hearing was set for Jan. 10 -- more than a week after the deadline -- which was stipulated in buyers' sales contracts -- for Codina to have all the approvals to begin construction.

Shubin declined comment, saying he couldn't verify the information regarding Codina's decision to return deposits. His client, Scutieri, couldn't be reached for comment.

Rodon, an executive vice president for Codina, insisted his company has no hard feelings toward Sundale.

''We are just disappointed that the timing didn't work out,'' he said.

Mission Bell Park was to be an addition to East Kendall's constantly changing landscape, which is peppered with new condominium high-rises.

The developers could regroup and revive the project later, but at least for now, it is dead in its tracks.

''There were some complicated issues and the timing didn't work out,'' Rodon said. ``We really wanted to get this done.''

BornInTheGrove

December 30th, 2005, 10:44 PM

Wow... that sux.

DGM

January 1st, 2006, 12:47 AM

I found an article on the Kendall Gazette. You'll get the gyst of it if you read the bold type only. Nothing that any of you wouldn't expect either. They don't seem to be getting along very well. Here it is (http://www.communitynewspapers.com/2005/spapers/kg_index.html):

East Kendall Charette off to Sometimes Rocky Start

The quest for solutions to East Kendall’s traffic-jammed roads and growth management got off to an occasionally rocky start on Dec. 21 as the steering committee for a proposed long-range study of the area discussed and debated how to tackle its assignment.

Meeting for the first time since appointment by East Kendall Community Council 12 on Oct. 19, the 11-member group at times found individual members in sharp disagreement over responsibilities, procedures and, sometimes, the scope of the study (called a charrette) itself.

“We shouldn’t be looking at pie-in-thesky proposals,” declared member Alfred Manara, stating “unrealistic fantasies would create a waste of time”

“I totally disagree,” declared Ted Baker. “The purpose of this study is to find ways to prevent the disaster that Downtown Dadeland has become. A charrette should examine all possibilities, no matter how far out they may seem.”

Prior to a daylong or weekend charrette, the Steering Committee should predetermine “resident concerns within study boundaries and provide community input,” said Subrata Basu, assistant planning director for Miami-Dade County, meeting moderator.

Cathy Sweetapple, consultant for an area traffic study commissioned by Baptist Hospital, was peppered with questions on her firm’s methods and data locations.

Manrara thought the committee should be wary of a study undertaken by a private entity with its own agenda, a stand criticized by Baker as “remarks entirely inappropriate at this time.”

That led to a Manrara open apology to Baptist, “should any such statement wrongfully be construed as criticism of their intended cooperation and position.”

Several members, led by Janet Novatney, agreeing with Baker, noted, “the tremendous overall value of Baptist Hospital” to Kendall residents as a convenient and nationally reputable medical facility coupled with a growth need that necessarily increases traffic.

Sweetapple, along with attorney Joseph Goldstein representing Baptist, provided maps and a lengthy summary of her company’s data collection procedures within a study area bounded by SW 72nd Street (north); SW 112th Street (south); Palmetto Expressway SR 826 (east); and SW 97th Avenue and Don Shula Expressway SR 874 (west). The study results from a condition imposed in April by Council 12 for approving Baptist’s master plan revision to permit new construction on the hospital’s campus.

Manrara, adamant the charrette should “go far beyond any limitations” in the Sweetapple study, wanted not only Baptist collector roads checked for traffic but all major roadways in the area. Sweetapple said her study was originally contracted only to provide data required for neighborhood streets in the immediate vicinity of Baptist Hospital, plus three workshop presentations, but could be expanded if necessary. Manrara sought and obtained from Basu assent to obtain additional Planning and Zoning Department traffic plan data, both past and currently in progress.

The planning session resumes on Jan. 18 at 7 p.m. in the Kendall Branch Library, 9101 SW 97 Ave. The session is scheduled to include election of a chair and vice chair.

Other committee members attending the Dec. 21 meeting were Ian Osur, Ana Chiapetta, Alfredo Landin, Kim Cole, Rolando Montoya, Ken Sommer, Karen Grassi, Jhan Novatney, Astrid Buttari (alternate) and Jeanne Harum, a later appointment by Peggy Brodeur, Council 12 chair.

dave8721

January 5th, 2006, 03:42 PM

dave8721

January 6th, 2006, 07:23 PM

dave8721

January 9th, 2006, 10:11 PM

I was reading through the Transit agency's Joint Development Projects and Dadeland North has a phase III to be completed by 2008 that will include another 12-story residential/retail (aside from the one that just completed) tower and another tower which is still in the design stages but will be between 12 and 25 stories (can they be a little more specific?). Dadeland South has another office tower planned as part of the Datran complex with groundbreaking sometime in 2006.

http://www.miamidade.gov/transit/joint_index.asp

brickell

January 10th, 2006, 12:09 AM

They finally updated it then. Didn't Green do Towers of Dadeland? I'm suprised they didn't both go up at the same time. It's going to be a mess squezing all the equipment if you're building on the last lot left there.

rider_of_rohan

January 10th, 2006, 06:08 AM

Where are they coming up with all the land for all those projects?

DGM

January 10th, 2006, 07:27 AM

One of the buildings at dadeland north is going right next to the one that was just built. The lot has been cleared for a while and sits directly between the metrorail station and "dadeland station". I have no idea where theyll fit the other dadeland north building. I guess there might be room right north of that building. As for dadeland south, there are a few lots that i could imagine being developed but none of them are near the datran buildings. Anyhow I'm really interested to see how this unfolds.

streetscapeer

January 10th, 2006, 05:44 PM

ooo...I can't wait for the Dadeland South building!

nimbyhater

January 11th, 2006, 03:03 AM

i love this area!

Miaminole

January 11th, 2006, 05:17 AM

dave8721

January 11th, 2006, 03:28 PM

Live in Dadeland and drove by Publix in front of Datran. In front of Publix and the newest office tower (the one w/ the strange ornament on top and the AuBon Pain) there is a lot that has been cleared and fenced off. Maybe this is where the new office tower will go. I know that office space in the Dadeland area is scarce and a new office building in this area would do well.

Yes, that is where its going. Its the space that is between the farthest south of the Datran complex (the 2 datrans & the marriott) and Dadeland Blvd. There is a triangle there that had been used for parking. As for Dadeland North, the only place where I can see them sqeezing in a third tower would be if the entire plaza infront of the metrorail station were removed and the building went there.

Paul305

January 15th, 2006, 02:23 AM

Today my brother (known as DGM to you guys) and I went on a little adventure around the Downtown Kendall area looking for good picture opportunities. I couldn't have asked for a better day for picture taking. It was about 70 with not a cloud in the sky. Visability was so good that we were able to see the Cape Florida Lighthouse and MIA from Kendall! I could, however, have done without the gale forced winds, which made leaning over the eleventh floor railing of the Dadeland north parking garage very scary. Anyways, I'm posting 20 pictures. Click on the thumbnails for the full res.

My first picture was taken from the top of the Dadeland Station parking garage and shows a pretty good view of the Kendall skyline.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/th_DSC00185.jpg (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00185.jpg)

This next pic shows some of the low rise apt/condos to the north of Dadeland. The cranes in the background are for the Colonnade.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/th_DSC00194.jpg (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00194.jpg)

A better view of the Colonnade.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/th_DSC00192.jpg (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00192.jpg)

Dadeland Tower II is supposedly going to be constructed in this surface parking lot between the Dadeland North metrorail station and Dadeland Station mall.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/th_DSC00187.jpg (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00187.jpg)

I like this skyline shot because it includes the metrorail track as well as the often forgotten Cingular and Metrobank buildings (far left).
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/th_DSC00191.jpg (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00191.jpg)

This shot is from the 826 ramp. Sorry about the glare.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/th_DSC00212.jpg (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00212.jpg)

Here's another shot that includes Publix. If anyone knows the name of the building in the center, plz tell me.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/th_DSC00164.jpg (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00164.jpg)

I think the Metrobank building deserves a little more respect. You can't see it at all from Kendall but it's actually 15 floors tall.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/th_DSC00126.jpg (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00126.jpg)

Here's a shot of the piece of property that the new Datran building, that Miaminole and Dave were talking about, will be built on (I think).
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/th_DSC00177.jpg (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00177.jpg)

Not too many people know of these buildings west of Datran.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/th_DSC00128.jpg (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00128.jpg)

A shot of the Marriott pool.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/th_DSC00136.jpg (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00136.jpg)

Check out the facade of Metropolis.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/th_DSC00161.jpg (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00161.jpg)

Another shot of Metropolis. The stucco work is almost done.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/th_DSC00150.jpg (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00150.jpg)

An eleven floor parking garage is going to be built over this Citibank building’s parking lot.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/th_DSC00157.jpg (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00157.jpg)

Here’s a better shot of the parking lot. Also, this property will be the home of one of East Kendall’s four or five new furniture stores.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/th_DSC00151.jpg (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00151.jpg)

Dadeland blvd. will be a mini canyon once the parking garage goes up.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/th_DSC00139.jpg (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00139.jpg)

Another shot of Downtown Dadeland.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/th_DSC00149.jpg (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00149.jpg)

Datran blvd. will be a real canyon.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/th_DSC00146.jpg (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00146.jpg)

Toscano with Metropolis on the far right.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/th_DSC00167.jpg (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00167.jpg)

Room for improvement: the Dadeland Medical Building and a massive surface lot that looks like it hasn’t been used for decades.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/th_DSC00171.jpg (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00171.jpg)

DGM

January 15th, 2006, 02:29 AM

By the way, here is an article about the parking garage and City Furniture that are going in that Citibank parking lot. There is a great rendering in last Sundays Neighbors section. I can't find the rendering on the net though.

New developments ready to begin
A popular furniture chain and parking garage may be the newest additions to an area booming with development.
BY JENNIFER MOONEY PIEDRA
jmooney@MiamiHerald.com

The owner of a prime corner of Downtown Kendall real estate says a dramatic furniture showroom and parking garage slated for the site will become known as ''magnificent'' Miami-Dade landmarks.

Stanley Tate, longtime owner of a 2.5-acre property at 7300 North Kendall Dr., plans to build a 75,000-square-foot City Furniture showroom and 11-story parking garage on what is now a parking lot for the eight-story Citibank building on the property. The bank building will stay open.

The three-story, $27 million furniture showroom is designed with an all-glass storefront and a flying roof appearance -- features that will capture attention, Tate said.

''Architecturally, we think this will be one of the most beautiful buildings in the county,'' he said.

Keith Koenig, president of City Furniture, said the Kendall Drive store will be an ``icon.''

No zoning change is required. Plans are in the permitting process, said Miami-Dade Building Department spokeswoman Marisol Triana.

But there is one hurdle.

A legal battle between Tate and Pollo Tropical, which has its corporate headquarters in the Citibank building.

Pollo Tropical contends that under its lease, Tate cannot legally charge tenants and visitors for parking, said Bernard Allen, an attorney for the restaurant chain. The lease runs through 2016.

''The major issue in this case is whether or not the owner has the right to charge for any parking that will be provided in any future parking garage,'' he said.

But Tate argues that Pollo Tropical and the other tenants will be granted an equal number of free parking spaces -- 267 -- in the new garage as they have now in the existing parking lot. The remaining spots in the 522-parking space garage will be sold to tenants at a monthly rate and visitors by the hour, or used by City Furniture.

''They say we don't have a right to add spaces and charge for parking,'' he said. ``We think they're wrong.''

Tate has filed a lawsuit asking a judge to settle the dispute. Pollo Tropical responded with a motion to dismiss. A Jan. 27 hearing is set before Circuit Judge Robert Scola.

The Miami Herald Kendall Neighbors office also is located in the Citibank building. Company officials have complained to building management about parking problems.

''We are equally concerned about a variety of matters and hope that a resolution is forthcoming,'' said Robert Beatty, general counsel and vice president of public affairs for The Miami Herald.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/counties/miami-dade/cities_neighborhoods/kendall/13570164.htm

MIAballinboi

January 15th, 2006, 02:30 AM

great tour man!

DGM

January 15th, 2006, 02:57 AM

Here is a rendering of the City Furniture. Sorry about the poor quality but you get the jist of it. The sweeping roof seems the mimic Dadeland malls sweeping roof which you can see in a few of Paul's pics. Toscano is in the background.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/CityFurniture.jpg

Pablo63090

January 15th, 2006, 03:14 AM

Awesome pics! The whole Miami area has a huge amount of relitively unknown low-rises.

jdnn

January 16th, 2006, 05:46 AM

When will the first store in downtown Dadeland open? I thought it was supposed to open up in December?

dave8721

January 16th, 2006, 05:52 AM

I love how Metropolis has an Art Deco look from this angle. It would have been cool to make the whole facade art deco.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00161.jpg

dave8721

January 16th, 2006, 05:54 AM

When will the first store in downtown Dadeland open? I thought it was supposed to open up in December?

My guess from watching the progress is 6 months or so (at least). I wonder if they would open some parts of it with the back buildings still UC? The buildings facing Kendall look far closer to completion than the buildings facing the metrorail which started about 6 months later.

DGM

January 16th, 2006, 08:07 AM

Near the metrorail the site is still just a big hole in the ground. They still have a lot of work to do, it seems. I can't wait 'til the day I can sit and have lunch at one of the restaurants in Downtown Dadeland. I hope they open the buildings facing Kendall drive early, however I am doubtful. I think they just have built those the fastest to spur intrest in their development.

BornInTheGrove

January 16th, 2006, 09:08 AM

Dunno if anyone saw this the other day in the paper, but it said that that area was also going to have a City Furniture store (looked huge)... (and spiffy), and a parking garage.

DGM

January 17th, 2006, 12:08 AM

I posted the article, its on the last page along with a rendering.

nimbyhater

January 18th, 2006, 03:26 AM

the pollo tropical headquarters are there? thats pretty cool... and thats a great tour man

how much furniture retail can one area possibly support?

DGM

January 18th, 2006, 04:03 AM

The 4000 new condos in the area will probably support them alright.

Miaminole

January 18th, 2006, 06:28 AM

There is a city furniture right on us1, they will close that store and move to new location. Rooms to Go will be closing their store on US1 as well and move it to their new location in toscano.

dave8721

February 28th, 2006, 06:27 PM

Demolition is complete at the old apartment building on the corner of 82nd St and 72nd Ave (just to the South of the 878). This is the site where the 10-story Archstone apartment building is to rise.

Paul305

February 28th, 2006, 06:53 PM

dave8721

February 28th, 2006, 09:15 PM

Awesome news, I had heard that they were stalling on that project because they wanted to see if the market would still be profitable after the 3500+ condos built in the area were finished.

Btw, how are the colonnade and toscano coming along? It's been a while since I've been in Miami...

Toscano looks like it will top off soon, it was over 20 floors up the last time I looked. Colonnade is up above ground and on its way up. It looks like they may be going one tower at a time as the tower on the south-east quantrant of the property seems to be going up first. Metropoilis looks just about done on the outside and Downtown Dadeland has most of its buildings topped off and the rest catching up quickly.

dave8721

March 27th, 2006, 01:08 AM

Toscano looks like it will top off soon, it was over 20 floors up the last time I looked. Colonnade is up above ground and on its way up. It looks like they may be going one tower at a time as the tower on the south-east quantrant of the property seems to be going up first. Metropoilis looks just about done on the outside and Downtown Dadeland has most of its buildings topped off and the rest catching up quickly.

I noticed the other day while driving by that Toscano does appear to be topped off now.

Paul305

March 27th, 2006, 03:48 AM

This thread hasn't been updated in a while...from what I saw while I was in town, the Colonnade is about 2 floors up on one of its four buildings, the lot to the North of Colonnade is almost done being demolished although I can't remember the name of the condos that will be built there, and the lot for the new Datran building is being cleared out. All in all, we should see the construction of at least 8 buildings between 10 and 15 floors in the Dadeland area begin soon. I can't wait!

DGM

March 27th, 2006, 05:24 AM

I only wish that the buildings on both sides of 72nd Ave were zoned for mixed use. There will be a full block of midrise condos stretching from the 72nd Ave exit off the Snapper Creek expressway all the way to the bridge over Snapper Creek towards the Dadeland parking garage. There is a decent amount of park space on snapper creek and this area is maybe two minutes walking distance to Dadeland. The area has a great deal of potential for a good urban/pedestrian atmosphere. But I feel that there will be no need for people to walk over in that direction and that the people that actually live there will drive despite the short distance. Id love to see some small shops on the bottom floors of those condos.

EDIT~ BTW, the demolition that paul mentioned is happening on the Dadeland Park Village lot (a two 25 story tower project) on the opposite side of 72nd ave of the Collonade. Im glad to see this project making progress. Anyone know how soon construction will begin on this project?

robertee

March 27th, 2006, 07:02 AM

EDIT~ BTW, the demolition that paul mentioned is happening on the Dadeland Park Village lot (a two 25 story tower project) on the opposite side of 72nd ave of the Collonade. Im glad to see this project making progress. Anyone know how soon construction will begin on this project?

Looks like they changed the name of the project to "Nouveau Miami"....here is a rendering/drawing that I found on the developers site:

http://www.ebdevelopers.com/images/products/elev401_cropped_web.jpg

Site: http://www.ebdevelopers.com/project_details.php?ProductID=18&CategoryID=11

Here is a rendering of the City Furniture. Sorry about the poor quality but you get the jist of it. The sweeping roof seems the mimic Dadeland malls sweeping roof which you can see in a few of Paul's pics. Toscano is in the background.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/CityFurniture.jpg

I also found a better rendering of the City Furniture building...

http://www.architectural-arts.com/GBS_-_City_Furnitutre_Dadeland.jpg

Toucano

March 27th, 2006, 07:52 AM

great finds robertee...

brickell

March 27th, 2006, 10:43 PM

Good finds indeed. Nouveau is going to loom large.

Paul305

March 27th, 2006, 11:22 PM

The old website for Dadeland Park Village said that the buildings would be located on 72nd ave and 86th street which is wierd because I'm pretty sure that would put them in the parking lot behind Macy's. Here's a link (http://www.premierdesignhomes.net/mdefault.htm) to the website of Premiere Design Homes which includes a nice rendering of the buildings.

dave8721

March 28th, 2006, 11:07 PM

I dont really see how they plan on fitting that thing onto the parcel its going on. I can see one fitting but two looks like its pushing it.

http://gisims2.miamidade.gov/myhome/propmap.asp?app=none&bytool=FOLIO&cmd=FINDFOLIO&cmdTemp=FINDFOLIO&tool=SELECT&searchtool=FOLIO&searchtoolTemp=FOLIO&mapURL=http%3A%2F%2Fgisims2.miamidade.gov%2Foutput%2Fmd_prop_S01410153032163229982.jpg&minX=883137.5&minY=494558.0155&maxX=884792&maxY=496212.5155&selX=&selY=&scale=165&ownerl=lacoste&ownerf=&stnum=8101&stdir=SW&stname=72&sttype=AVE&stunit=&stzip=&folio=3040350001100&reffolio=3040350001100&cfolio=&startnum=0&sOrthophoto=YES&fol=&Dis=&Mkt=&HexV=
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/dave8721/md_prop1.jpg

The property to the North West owned by Archstone was recently cleared as well:

http://gisims2.miamidade.gov/myhome/propmap.asp?app=none&bytool=FOLIO&cmd=FINDFOLIO&cmdTemp=FINDFOLIO&tool=SELECT&searchtool=FOLIO&searchtoolTemp=FOLIO&mapURL=http%3A%2F%2Fgisims2.miamidade.gov%2Foutput%2Fmd_prop_S01410153032278429795.jpg&minX=883137.5&minY=494558.0155&maxX=884792&maxY=496212.5155&selX=&selY=&scale=165&ownerl=lacoste&ownerf=&stnum=8101&stdir=SW&stname=72&sttype=AVE&stunit=&stzip=&folio=3040350000810&reffolio=3040350000810&cfolio=&startnum=0&sOrthophoto=YES&fol=&Dis=&Mkt=&HexV=
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/dave8721/md_prop2.jpg

DGM

March 29th, 2006, 04:38 AM

In the rendering they have the buildings straddling a street with a little bridge between the two buildings. I agree with you that this building must be on more than one lot. Oh, and does anyone have any recent information about the Archstone property, also known as Renaissance at Dadeland? Someone said earlier in this thread that it would be a 10 story project.

dave8721

April 8th, 2006, 04:30 AM

By the way, I noticed today while driving by that construction has commenced on the next Datran tower at the South end of the Datran complex with dump trucks and a small crane on site.

ChuckScraperMiami#1

April 8th, 2006, 03:51 PM

By the way, I noticed today while driving by that construction has commenced on the next Datran tower at the South end of the Datran complex with dump trucks and a small crane on site.
Wow DAVE :wave: , is this True. :uh:
How high will this # 2 Datran south Tower go ??? :dunno: , I hope as high or higher than the first one :applause: .
Remember :bowtie: , how does this go with the residents :devil: of Pinecrest :bash: , I'll bet they had their say on the Final Height :omg: , and will this tower be West of the End of the Palmetto Expressway ( 826 ) before going into U.S. 1 ??? DAVE, please I need Info , thanks, me Johnny 5. :? :hilarious

dave8721

April 10th, 2006, 02:18 PM

Wow DAVE :wave: , is this True. :uh:
How high will this # 2 Datran south Tower go ??? :dunno: , I hope as high or higher than the first one :applause: .
Remember :bowtie: , how does this go with the residents :devil: of Pinecrest :bash: , I'll bet they had their say on the Final Height :omg: , and will this tower be West of the End of the Palmetto Expressway ( 826 ) before going into U.S. 1 ??? DAVE, please I need Info , thanks, me Johnny 5. :? :hilarious

Its going up here. At the SW end of the complex. There is a large triangular lot there now (that has been used for bus parking and stuff up until now) where the construction is going on:

http://gisims2.miamidade.gov/myhome/propmap.asp?app=none&bytool=FOLIO&cmd=FINDFOLIO&cmdTemp=&tool=SELECT&searchtool=FOLIO&searchtoolTemp=&mapURL=http%3A%2F%2Fgisims2.miamidade.gov%2Foutput%2Fmd_prop_S0140680302431727.jpg&minX=702253&minY=281551&maxX=1009861&maxY=589159&selX=&selY=&scale=30761&ownerl=&ownerf=&stnum=&stdir=&stname=&sttype=&stunit=&stzip=&folio=3050020570032&reffolio=&cfolio=&startnum=0&sOrthophoto=YES&fol=&Dis=&Mkt=&HexV=

miamicanes

April 10th, 2006, 02:58 PM

Anyone care to place a bet as to how many months or years the CompUSA building has left to live before getting demolished? I know that CompUSA has always been in a quandry over that store ever since they inherited it from Computer City... it's too close to the Falls store, not big enough to replace it, too perfect of a location to give up, and too new of a building to demolish. I suspect that eventually, though, it'll be demolished and replaced by another skyscraper whose ground floor (and maybe second floor) is CompUSA, at which point they'll close the Falls store.

I just hope the Dadeland Medical Building goes away soon. That building is like a hairy wart on the butt of an otherwise-flawless Playboy centerfold ;-)

Paul305

April 10th, 2006, 04:19 PM

I don't see CompUSA being demolished for a long while. With all of the new residences and offices within walking distance it should have a surge in costumers. I heard that the Dadeland Medical building was going to be demolished and replaced with a high-rise medical building but my source was a post on urbanplanet. And if you think the medical building is ugly, you should see the parking lot behind it and the one behind CompUSA. But on the bright side, East Kendall has 9 approved buildings which haven't started construction yet or are still in the preliminary stages of construction. As for the bet, five years. :)

Toucano

April 10th, 2006, 04:22 PM

Anyone know what the #2 Datran South Tower will look like? I`m assuming it will be about the same height as the others, which is understandable...but are we looking at the same drab building or something with some sort of design or glass?

Toucano

April 10th, 2006, 04:33 PM

Answering my own questions: I have come across the Green Companies...

http://www.thetowersofdadeland.com/index.html

They have developed both Dadeland North and South according to Miami-Dade County Transit's web site

dave8721

April 10th, 2006, 04:46 PM

I did some research online and it looks like the CompUSA building and the building next door (is that the medical building or is the medical building the one on the other side of Toscano?) are owned by Dayco, the developer behind the Millenium in Sunny Isles among other things. The Property Appraiser lists the owners address as 848 Brickell Ave #810 and Dayco lists their address as 848 Brickell Ave #810 so I guess its safe to say they own the land. They bought it in Feb.2005 for $7,650,000. They own the parking lot behind CompUSA as well.

http://gisims2.miamidade.gov/myhome/propmap.asp?app=none&bytool=FOLIO&cmd=FINDFOLIO&cmdTemp=FINDFOLIO&tool=SELECT&searchtool=FOLIO&searchtoolTemp=FOLIO&mapURL=http%3A%2F%2Fgisims2.miamidade.gov%2Foutput%2Fmd_prop_S0141015215237722521.jpg&minX=881021.0437225&minY=492043.401235&maxX=882341.5127225&maxY=493363.870235&selX=&selY=&scale=132&ownerl=&ownerf=&stnum=&stdir=&stname=&sttype=&stunit=&stzip=&folio=3050020670020&reffolio=3050020670020&cfolio=&startnum=0&sOrthophoto=YES&fol=&Dis=&Mkt=&HexV=

See Dayco's address at the bottom of the screen:
http://www.daycoholding.com/profile.htm
The condos they've built:
http://www.daycoholding.com/condos.htm

its amazing what a little googling will do.

Paul305

April 10th, 2006, 04:53 PM

dave8721

April 10th, 2006, 05:08 PM

Most likely it will look like this building which was the most recent addition of office space to Datran. You can't really see it from this angle but there is a rounded off portion of the building that is all glass and very spiffy looking. I'm assuming it will be 24 or 25 floors like all of the other Datran buildings but I've googled pretty much every combination of the keywords "Datran," "phase V," "development," etc. and have found nothing.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00164.jpg

The location is this triangular plot of land.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00177.jpg

The only mention I've seen anywhere is this from the County Metrorail Joint Development Projects:

http://www.miamidade.gov/transit/jointdadelandsouth.asp

Station Location: US 1 and Dadeland Boulevard

Project: Datran Center

Three Class A office buildings totaling 600,000 sq. ft.
35,000 sq. ft. of retail space
305-room luxury Marriott Hotel
3,500 parking spaces, 1,100 of which are designated for MDT patron usage

Developer: Green Companies

How Initiated: Land swap with MDT in exchange for development rights.

Status: The project has been in existence since 1984. A fifth phase consisting of another office building is planned for the site, with an anticipated groundbreaking of 2006.

Financial: MDT receives guaranteed annual rent plus participation rent generated from all uses. The project has generated over $800,000 annually for MDT.

dave8721

April 10th, 2006, 05:11 PM

There is also a lot more planned for Dadeland North:

http://www.miamidade.gov/transit/jointdadelandnorth.asp

Towers of Dadeland (Phase II)
14-story, 120-unit market-rate rental apartments with option to convert to condominium; 6,084 sq. ft. retail. For rental information (market rate apartments), contact The Green Cos., 305-669-4580.

Green Dadeland Station (Phase III)
Phase IIIA: Final design - 12-story residential/retail/garage
Phase IIIB: Conceptual design - 12- to 25-story office/retail/garage

Phase III is to be completed by 2008 so it should be starting soon.

Paul305

April 10th, 2006, 05:24 PM

Kendall Gazette (http://www.communitynewspapers.com/archives/2004/spapers/08_10_04/local1_kg.htm)
First ‘Downtown Kendall’ buildings rising skyward
By Richard Yager

A new “Downtown Kendall” is emerging from architectural plans and renderings, reshaping the Dadeland area.

Metropolis and Downtown Dadeland, two massive residential projects, are “out of the ground” and Colonnade, a third community north of Dadeland Mall, has completed site clearing for first phase construction.

Meanwhile, the first of three rental apartment structures planned by the Green Companies immediately north of the Dadeland North Metrorail Station is nearing its 15-floor height. Completion is expected in March 2005.

George Brown, president of the Green Companies, said the first floor will offer 7,000 square feet of retail space and 121 apartments on the upper 14 floors of the 140,000-square-foot building. Two additional buildings of similar design will be built on the same site.

Brown said the Green Companies, which pioneered commercial development south of Dadeland Mall, is scheduled to break ground in 2005 for a new 14-story, 110,000-square-foot office tower to build out the Datran Center.
A new rental apartment structure is underway on the south side of Kendall Drive, planned with a Rooms To Go retail store at ground level with apartments on the upper floors.

All of the new construction is part of the Miami-Dade Master Plan for what has become known as “Downtown Kendall,” a redevelopment project to encourage residential growth and pedestrian-friendly shopping around Dadeland Mall.
Planning for the new projects started more than a decade ago when the Kendall Council of Chamber South proposed a long-range design effort for future development among Dadeland area property owners, government agencies and existing neighbors.

During a formal charrette in June 1998, professional agencies were commissioned to create an integrated, long-range plan for the future of the S. Dixie Highway (US1)-Kendall Drive (SW 88th Street) area.

Those initial concepts eventually led to a comprehensive master plan approved by Miami-Dade County Planning and Zoning officials encouraging extensive mixed-use residential, retail and commercial growth in clustered areas, both north and south of Dadeland Mall.

Asked if he believed that Dadeland could soon be overcome with traffic problems, Brown said, “Actually, we should have a better traffic situation than one in which the Dadeland area only develops more retail and commercial building.

“Traffic from new residential areas leaves in the morning and returns at the end of the day,” he said. “That should create a more balanced situation with traffic entering Dadeland office and commercial areas mornings and leaving at night. We’re completing traffic studies to draw a comparison with the mid-1980s traffic counts.”

Eventually, the Miami-Dade County Master Plan is expected to create 5,000 new residences while transforming Dadeland’s once-formidable exteriors of blank concrete walls and tiers of parking garage levels into more appealing surroundings.

Today, pedestrians can get a glimpse of that future where Metropolis has largely completed the ground-level exterior of its first tower on a two-acre tract adjoining the new Publix Supermarket opposite the Datran Center buildings.

Completion of foundation pilings and footings has moved ahead at Downtown Dadeland, planned for 416 condominiums and 112,000 square feet of retail space.

Colonnade, developed by a LDI, a Lennar subsidiary, has cleared ground between SW 72nd and 73rd avenues at SW 82nd Street with long-range planning to link residential towers by footbridges to a redeveloped north side of Dadeland Mall with retail shops and restaurants at ground level.

DGM

April 26th, 2006, 05:02 AM

West Elm Picks Downtown Dadeland for South Florida Debut
By Marita Thomas

MIAMI-West Elm, the retail home furnishings subsidiary of Williams-Sonoma, has signed a 12-year lease for 16,431 sf in Downtown Dadeland. The aggregate value of the lease is in excess of $8.5 million, and the deal represents the retailer’s initial entry into South Florida.....

....In September 2005, Mindy McIlroy, director of leasing for Miami Beach-based Terranova Corp., took over the retail leasing from Prime Sites Inc. and, with the West Elm transaction and others, has regained space initially committed to tenants, including Pier 1, that terminated their agreements. “Some had a change in their real estate roll-out plans,” McIlroy tells GlobeSt.com.

“We have replaced those vacancies and are again 60% preleased,” she says. Additional national retail tenants are: the Children’s Place, Chili’s, Bombay Co., Men’s Wearhouse and Sprint Cellular. They join several regional and local tenants, including Blu restaurant, Blue Moon Thai and Bacio Gelato. “We are in lease negotiation stages for another approximately 30,000 sf,” she says, “and expect to move toward closing those transactions within the next 30 to 60 days.”
http://www.globest.com/news/523_523/miami/145060-1.html

Toucano

April 26th, 2006, 06:12 AM

Great News!

Paul305

April 26th, 2006, 06:31 AM

Downtown Kendall = Furniture Capital of the World

dave8721

April 28th, 2006, 04:59 PM

DGM

April 28th, 2006, 07:04 PM

My guess is the Colonnade.

brickell

April 28th, 2006, 07:49 PM

On the website they list "Park Towers - Collonade" and only show 3 buildings instead of 4. Mayb'e they're rebranding one of the buildings and putting in a park? Just a guess.

BornInTheGrove

April 28th, 2006, 10:31 PM

could it be an old ad for collanade?

dave8721

April 28th, 2006, 10:49 PM

Its not an old add. It debuted in today's Miami Herald.

ChuckScraperMiami#1

April 28th, 2006, 10:57 PM

On the website they list "Park Towers - Collonade" and only show 3 buildings instead of 4. Mayb'e they're rebranding one of the buildings and putting in a park? Just a guess.

Brickell :rock: , my friend :hi: , the Fourth Building site could be holding for a future Hotel or office complex with retail stores for the thousand of residents on the north side of the Snapper Creek canal. :applause: :cool:

its growing up there, out of control and needs more Retail, even tho Dadeland Mall is near, still needs more smaller retail shops in that area. :cheers:

DGM

May 4th, 2006, 02:19 AM

I took a few photos of the Dadeland area today. They are advertising the Colonnade as the Park Towers now. All but one of the Downtown Dadeland buildings are topped off. Here's the big shocker, Datran 5 is under construction already.
Colonnade:
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c275/dmoore305/DSC00339.jpg
Downtown Dadeland:
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c275/dmoore305/DSC00319.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c275/dmoore305/DSC00327.jpg
Datran 5:
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c275/dmoore305/DSC00316.jpg
Which will fill this hole in the skyline:
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c275/dmoore305/DSC00336.jpg

ChuckScraperMiami#1

May 4th, 2006, 03:11 AM

Thanks DGM :) , great Pics,

Go Dadeland !!!, Downtown Kendall Rocks !!! :cheers:

SkyDiveJunkee

May 4th, 2006, 05:42 AM

Nice update. Might be a bit too early to comment on this, but the D. Dadeland exteriors that are mostly finished look a lot less interesting than the renderings. I guess that has become a common theme...

miamicanes

May 4th, 2006, 04:48 PM

Does anyone know what the hell this advertisement is for? Its for a mysterious new condo priced from the $500's "somewhere between Merrick Park, Sunset Shops and Dadeland Mall"?? Its from Lennar, developers of the Collonade.
I'm guessing a new condo development at the site of the plaza across from UM on Red Road, adjacent to Metrorail and about a block northeast of South Miami Station (measured from the back, southwest corner of the property).

Paul305

May 24th, 2006, 12:45 AM

Boom over? Well, it looks like Downtown Kendall is going to get its first all-glass office building soon. The rendering makes it out to be about 18 floors. While heading home from Dadeland South, I noticed the rendering on the Dadeland Medical Building.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/TownCenterOne003.jpg

Upon closer inspection, I found this:
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/TownCenterOne001.jpg

Town Center One: the word one implies more phases to come.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/TownCenterOne004.jpg

The crappy building below being dwarfed by the Publix is the DMB.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/TownCenterOne002.jpg
Btw, Datran Phase V is now seriously underway. They have already finished the foundation and have the first floor or two of the elevator shaft done.

brickell

May 24th, 2006, 09:59 PM

Nice redesign. Looks like it could go higher though.

MIAballinboi

May 24th, 2006, 10:27 PM

nice, all glass!

Toucano

May 24th, 2006, 11:06 PM

nice addition!

Paul305

May 26th, 2006, 03:36 AM

ChuckScraperMiami#1

May 27th, 2006, 09:28 PM

There are two new cranes in Downtown Kendall. They are working on the Datran V site, which we still have no renderings of :bash:.

Paul :wave: and everyone else :grouphug: ,
Are you sure this Datran V is the correct name :hm: :dunno: ???
:hm:
or Could this be the 30 floor, 315 foot Dadeland Junction Tower finally getting started :righton: ,
And if NOT, where is this tower going to go up at,
:tyty: :ohno:
here's a listing in Emporis, :applause:
note , in there there are only two Datran Towers listed with the Marriott Hotel tower also listed, No such thing as Datran 3, or 4, or 5 . I'm lost , lol.
:okay: :speech:
please check this website out, It could be another name,,
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=102360 :hi:

Paul305

May 27th, 2006, 10:35 PM

The Marriott Hotel is a one of the Datran phases, as is the yellow building across from Publix (Dadeland Centre?). I think the Marriott even shares a base with the other Datran buildings. As for the name of the new project, I have no idea, just pure speculations. I read on one of these forums that there may be a Datran phase V but the owners have a really shitty website, so I have nobody to confirm it. Miamidade.gov says that the Datran land is owned by the county and says the same thing for this lot, so I think the land is owned by the same people as the Datran towers, but there is no way of knowing for sure. Now I guess we just have to wait and see what the building looks like as it goes up. GO CRANES!

Toucano

May 27th, 2006, 11:41 PM

Its a Transit Development. The Land is Owned by the County and they pay lease to the Transportation Agency for the ability to develop the land. They have several of these Going on, however, Datran is the most Successful so far. The South Miami, Coconut Grove and Overtown stations also have land which is currently being developed into transit related developments...

dave8721

June 12th, 2006, 10:36 PM

Here is the website for Town Center One. As the name implied, its not just one building but a whole bunch. They have a rendering of the completed project inside. It will cover every parcel west of Toscana and every parcel will have a highrise.

http://www.towncenterone.com/

BornInTheGrove

June 13th, 2006, 01:23 AM

Here are some of the renderings from the website.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a31/BornInTheGrove/Highrises%20and%20Construction/TownCenterOne01.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a31/BornInTheGrove/Highrises%20and%20Construction/TownCenterOne02.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a31/BornInTheGrove/Highrises%20and%20Construction/TownCenterOne03.jpg

brickell

June 13th, 2006, 01:41 AM

Now that's impressive!

I've been wondering if/when those lots were going to be filled. Even if these don't get built, it's only a matter of time.

MIAballinboi

June 13th, 2006, 02:29 AM

nice densification.. :)

Dale

June 13th, 2006, 03:40 AM

That's a nice little skyline there.

DGM

June 13th, 2006, 06:12 AM

So there are still 10 buildings proposed for Downtown Kendall (not including Dadeland North) that are in the works. These things are going to bring a lot of people in to the Dadeland area and are going to add a lot of traffic for the metrorail :). Do you guys think this increases the chances of a Kendall Drive Metrorail extension? This might be justified by connecting into Baptist and its surrounding medical buildings or a link between an extended Trirail and the Metrorail in the south.

EDIT: Here are the new renderings
Here are some of the renderings from the website.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a31/BornInTheGrove/Highrises%20and%20Construction/TownCenterOne01.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a31/BornInTheGrove/Highrises%20and%20Construction/TownCenterOne02.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a31/BornInTheGrove/Highrises%20and%20Construction/TownCenterOne03.jpg

Paul305

June 13th, 2006, 06:34 AM

:eek2:

DGM

June 13th, 2006, 06:41 AM

umiami305

June 13th, 2006, 08:47 AM

How perfect would the lot that Publix is on be for a 40 floor tower with a supermarket on the bottom floor. It is the center and back of the triangular Downtown Kendall, which slopes upward from point to base.

DGM your right, that would be awesome. Here's an idea. Maybe a developer could work out some deal where they design a condo where Publix would occupy the base of the new tower. Once the tower is completed Publix could move in. Then the developers could tear down the old Publix and put a new condo/office tower there and Publix would never really have to close and risk loosing that customer base to other area groceries. Its a win, win. Publix gets a new state of the art store for one. Second they will add many more potential everyday customers with the added density from the new towers that will take the place of there old store and big surface parking lot.

DGM

June 18th, 2006, 07:18 AM

It looks like theyre not opening downtown dadeland at once. The West Elm furniture store is apparently opening in the fall. There is no way they can open the southernmost buildings by the fall.

ChuckScraperMiami#1

June 18th, 2006, 06:58 PM

There are two new cranes in Downtown Kendall visible from 826, one telescopic crane and a white tower crane about ten floors tall. They are working on the Datran V site, which we still have no renderings of :bash:.

PAUL :rock: and everyone :grouphug: ,
:speech:
I found this in the Miami Today newspaper this past week , ( 6-15-06 ), page 17, " Office space close to opening in two projects in Kendall "
The name of the Datran V site is the " Dadeland Centre II ", at 9150 S. Dadeland Blvd., is well under construction and will include 112,000 square feet of office space to rent. :banana: :cheer: :pepper:

p.s. :) the other office tower is " Town Center One " at 200,000 of high end office condo space at 7400 N. Kendall drive. :cheers:

dave8721

June 23rd, 2006, 05:03 PM

Paul305

June 27th, 2006, 02:30 PM

Judging by how much taller Metropolis looks, I would say Metropolis is up around 300 feet tall.I have no idea how tall Metropolis is. It's height is not listed on Emporis but 300 ft couldn't be too far off.

I've been wondering for a while what Baptist was up to as they erected a massive seven floor parking garage near my house. Apparently they are adding a new wing. Here are the details (http://www.baptisthealth.net/bhs/en/article_detail/0,2240,3418_42898959_52825165,00.html):
East Campus Expansion at Baptist Hospital

http://www.baptisthealth.net/vgn/images/portal/cit_449/62/35/53333023RenderingEastExpansion300.jpg

The East Campus Expansion is a $122 Million expansion and renovation project that will transform the campus of Baptist Hospital of Miami. The project includes a new 65,000-square-foot emergency center with 100 private treatment areas; a new 120,000-square-foot bed tower that adds 96 acuity-adaptable universal patient beds, as well as shell space to accommodate an additional 48 beds for future expansion; a seven-story 984-space parking garage; a 7,330-square-foot expansion to the energy center and a 25,877-square-foot renovation of Imaging, Laboratory and Pharmacy, including the creation of additional administrative spaces. This much anticipated project will allow Baptist Hospital to better serve a growing South Florida population by maximizing operational efficiency, enhancing accessibility and convenience, improving patient satisfaction and privacy and providing beautiful, new interior and exterior spaces to promote the healing process.

ChuckScraperMiami#1

June 28th, 2006, 01:05 AM

Dont know if anyone else is into these things but if anyone else was wondering the height of the (existing) Datran Center is 256 feet according to the Datran website. Judging by how much taller Metropolis looks, I would say Metropolis is up around 300 feet tall.

(the last sentence)
http://www.datrancenter.com/pages/default.asp

DAVE :okay: , Both Towers at Metropolis are 332 feet each :righton: , I read this in a Miami Today Newspaper about a year ago :bowtie: , I save alot of old newspapers, I'm looking for the right date of that paper, , But I know they are the tallest in Downtown Kendall - Dadeland area :cheer: , and No other tower will pass them :no: , The town of Pinecrest :bash: won't let the county build anymore taller than Metropolis twin towers :cheers: .

MIAballinboi

June 28th, 2006, 02:59 AM

^332 thats a great height

but i dont know if anyone remembers those kendall nimbys that stopped that 40 or so story tower, what was it called "dadeland junction"?

Toucano

June 28th, 2006, 04:41 PM

From FYI in Miamitodaynews.com

MORE KENDALL TOWERS: Downtown Kendall is about to get a boost with the announcement of Park Towers at Colonnade, a sister project to Lennar Developer Inc.'s Colonnade development. The project includes two 10-story towers with one-, two- and three-bedroom residences. The self-contained residential enclave is to be encircled by landscaped gardens, colonnaded sidewalks, tree-lined pedestrian walkways, a park and a retail street of shops. Corwil Architects Inc. is project architect. Details: www.colonnadecondos.com.

Paul305

June 28th, 2006, 04:53 PM

Great news! I couldn't find the article in Miami Today, but I found one in Biz Journals (http://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/stories/2006/06/26/daily17.html).
Lennar plans another Kendall condo
South Florida Business Journal - 4:12 PM EDT Tuesday
by Susan Stabley

Home builder Lennar has launched sales for a second Kendall condominium project near Dadeland Mall.

A sales center has opened for Park Towers at Colonnade, a sister project to the Miami company's Colonnade development in downtown Kendall.

The center is on the development's 9-acre site at 7240 S.W. 82nd St., south of Kendall Drive.

Park Towers is to be 274 units in two 10-story towers with 16 different floor plans, offering one, two and three bedroom options. The average unit size is to be 1,350 square feet and prices are to start in the mid $300,000s.

Corwil Architects is the project architect. International Sales Group (ISG), led by Vice President Jack Paget, is to handle sales.

"Both Colonnade and Park Towers at Colonnade are developments that will contribute to the overall economic and business growth in the immediate area," said Fernando Arimon, division president of both Broward and Miami-Dade counties for Lennar Developers (LDI), a subsidiary of Lennar Corp. "Our communities will attract professionals and new businesses who will appreciate the central location of Kendall."

Since 1954, Lennar Corp. (NYSE: LEN) has largely built single-family home developments, with residential communities currently under construction in 20 states.

LDI specializes in managing design, marketing and development of luxury high-rise condominiums. LDI has one other condo project for sale: 360º in North Bay Village.

Two more tower projects are planned for a total portfolio of 1,300 expected in less than two years. Total sellout has been estimated at $800 million.

DGM

June 28th, 2006, 05:34 PM

That sounds like the cleared out lot south of the Snapper Creek Expressway. It isn't south of Kendall. That should be an obvious typo to most of you.

umiami305

June 29th, 2006, 05:09 AM

Colannade at dadeland, pic taken today.

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8883/dsc037759lo.png

DGM

July 3rd, 2006, 02:55 PM

There are a few new renderings of town center one at the website www.towncenterone.com (http://www.towncenterone.com) including a few recent aerials of the overall Kendall skyline. It is definitely worth checking out the website. I'd post some of the images, but the website is flash based. Maybe later Ill print screen/photobucket them.

streetscapeer

July 16th, 2006, 11:46 PM

wow @ town center and downtown kendall!!

DGM

July 17th, 2006, 12:07 AM

brickell

July 17th, 2006, 09:59 PM

Nice find. It does seem a little groundbreaking for Kendall. I'll give them the benefit of doubt, till I see otherwise. If I had to guess I'd say they'll turn out more like the Metropoli.

Paul305

July 25th, 2006, 06:02 AM

It was such a nice day outside today that I felt like taking some pics. In this first one, you can see the facade of Toscano almost completed on the west side.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/1c63259c.jpg

The next two photos are of Dadeland Centre II, which still has no render...
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00582.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00575.jpg

Metropolis I and II are pretty much done. You can even walk between them from Publix to Dadeland blvd. The canyon effect is pretty amazing. No pics of that though, srry.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00578.jpg

Downtown Dadeland
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00584.jpg

The Colonnade.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00586.jpg

Downtown Kendall from afar.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00588.jpg

Downtown Miami from even farther.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00593.jpg

For some reason, my camera added a blue filter to the next two Colonnade pics but I'll post them anyways.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00598.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00599.jpg

Also, there is a blue tower crane lying on the floor of the lot just north of the Colonnade. I dunno for sure what it's going to be used for but I'm pretty sure it will replace the smaller, red tower crane currently being used on the Colonnade.

ChuckScraperMiami#1

July 26th, 2006, 08:01 AM

Update - The western face of Toscano is almost completely painted and the first few buildings of Downtown Dadeland are painted. Anyhow, I figured I'd post an image borrowed from towncenterone's website that hasnt been posted yet. The project looks really high quality and pretty tall (some of them look taller than Toscano), but what chances do you think there are of the project looking anything like this?
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c275/dmoore305/towncenterone1.jpg

PAUL :wave: !!!, Great Pictures Below :righton: :okay: ,

And DGM :bowtie: , Fantastic Look :applause: and Future of this Largest Tall building City in the Southestern United States !!! :dance:

P.S. DGM :rock: , if you could get a Larger Picture of that again with the DATRAN Towers and the rest of Downtown Kendall, WOW, That would Be FANTASTIC !!! :cheer: :bow: :cheers1:

dave8721

August 3rd, 2006, 02:46 PM

Interesting article on the now completely topped off Downtown Dadeland and its massive underground parking garage:

http://www.communitynewspapers.com/2006/spapers/kg_page3.html

DGM

August 3rd, 2006, 03:59 PM

dave8721

August 3rd, 2006, 05:40 PM

Damn, you're fast Dave. I was just about to post that. Interesting thing from the article, DD will have 1000 parking spaces, mostly underground. When you look at the thing it doesn't look like it could hold that many cars. In the next few months this place is going to go from being a construction sitee to a vibrant urban core. And there will be 1000 new cars in the area. But, it will be interesting to see how many people will be leaving their cars in the lot and setting out on foot. Just about anything you could possibly buy is a 5-10 minute walk from these buildings. Anyhow, I wish they'd put a pedestrian bridge over Kendall. It would be more utilized then that one over US-1 by Douglas Road, which for now is being used to shade jay-walkers.

Usually the problem with those is it takes so much time to get up and over the road on one of those that its just easier to cross the street directly. Also they take a lot of room on the ground which is why the one they are going to build across US-1 in South Miami will go at 57th Ave rather than where it would actually be used at Sunset. The South Miami one will take walkers from a wearhouse site on the North Side of US-1 to the closed side of Sunset Place on the South Side of US-1. Why? because thats the only place where the metrorail is far enough away from US-1 to fit the pedestrian bridge up and down slopes in (those take up a lot of space).

Toucano

August 3rd, 2006, 07:39 PM

Usually the problem with those is it takes so much time to get up and over the road on one of those that its just easier to cross the street directly. Also they take a lot of room on the ground which is why the one they are going to build across US-1 in South Miami will go at 57th Ave rather than where it would actually be used at Sunset. The South Miami one will take walkers from a wearhouse site on the North Side of US-1 to the closed side of Sunset Place on the South Side of US-1. Why? because thats the only place where the metrorail is far enough away from US-1 to fit the pedestrian bridge up and down slopes in (those take up a lot of space).

The Douglas Rd One though is failry compact. It uses stairs wrapped around the central core elevator shafts... Seems pretty efficient to me...

I Think they should beautify the area and block walking access to US-1 in that area with large bushes and trees to force people to use the overpass, its for their own safety to begin with!

skyscraperhighrise

August 5th, 2006, 02:46 AM

dave8721

August 9th, 2006, 10:51 PM

I ran across this on an architects website. Its called the Colony at Dadeland and it calls for a 15-story addition to an existing rental community WEST of the Palmetto. Its to go on the site of the Colony Apartments at 9315 SW 77th Ave.

The site:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/dave8721/colony.jpg

The new addition:
http://www.sotolongoarchitects.com/on_the_boards.html

http://www.sotolongoarchitects.com/images/Colony%20at%20Kendall%20Elev.jpg

DGM

August 10th, 2006, 02:49 PM

dave8721

August 10th, 2006, 03:48 PM

It looks like they'll have to demolish around 5 buildings to build this thing. Here is an image of the site plan.
http://www.sotolongoarchitects.com/images/Colony%20at%20Kendall%20FP.jpg.
I have a friend that lives there, but it looks like his building won't get knocked down. BTW, that thing looks pretty ugly.

Thats in the unlikely even it gets built though. The homeowners association has been pretty successful in the past in stopping projects west of the Palmetto. There was a 10 story project proposed on the north side of Kendall Dr just west of the Palmetto that got denied by the Community Council.

DGM

August 10th, 2006, 04:29 PM

Yea, but this area is already pretty dense. I think the buildings that sit on that site right now are like 5 stories. There was apparently an article that compared Dadeland Breeze to this Colony Apartment project in the Herald Neighbors section on Monday (I found the title on google but the article's page had expired). BTW, the complex that Dadeland Breeze was to built over has been undergoing major renovations for around a month now.

EDIT- While snooping around I found a site that mentioned that Dadeland Centre II will be 16 floors, have 110,000 sq ft of office space, will be completed in the third quarter of 2007, and will be the first class A office building built in Miami since Dadeland Centre I was completed in 2001. http://www.southeastrebusiness.com/articles/JUN06/highlight1.html

Topher1

August 10th, 2006, 05:01 PM

Wow, the Colony... my old apt complex...

From personal experience, unless a pedestrian link under/over the Palmetto off-ramps somehow materializes on 77th Ave, I'm against increased density along this strip... Walking down to Kendall Dr or to 98th St is doable from the area, but so impractical that almost no one does it... A pedestrian link would be absurdly useful for these dense midrise complexes for accessing Dadeland, Metrorail, and Publix... It always felt rediculous to me to have to drive to a Publix that I could see from my apt...

Paul305

August 10th, 2006, 05:09 PM

David, link please. Also, the apartment complex one block north of the Colony at Dadeland, Palmetto Towers, was bought out at over $170,000 per unit for 158 units and a total of $27 million. They will probably start construction in less than six months. US Condo Exchange (http://miamiherald.uscondex.com/condonewsdetail.asp?articleId=869&categoryId=37)

brickell

August 10th, 2006, 06:10 PM

I'm pretty sure that the HOAs will run this one into the ground like they have everything else in that area. I also come down on the side that this is probably too dense for Kendall Ave without a major overhaul of how the street is set up (more pedestrain friendly/urban).

dave8721

August 10th, 2006, 07:53 PM

The main obstacle I see to development west of the Palmetto along Kendall is the on and off ramps of the Palmetto onto Kendall Dr. They are not the kind where cars stop at a light and then make their exits onto Kendall when the light is green, they are of the flow right off of the Palmetto at 60 mph and merge into Kendall variety. This means that the cars never stop and they never stop coming. It is impossible to walk from the apartments west of the palmetto to the dadeland area without making this perilous crossing (twice actually).

brickell

August 10th, 2006, 08:09 PM

Of course a light rail line along Kendall Dr would solve a lot of these problems.

dave8721

August 23rd, 2006, 08:29 PM

The Douglas Rd One though is failry compact. It uses stairs wrapped around the central core elevator shafts... Seems pretty efficient to me...

I Think they should beautify the area and block walking access to US-1 in that area with large bushes and trees to force people to use the overpass, its for their own safety to begin with!

I was walking on Sunset in South Miami the other day when this occured to me. It has no chance of ever actually happening though I think it should and probably needs to. Why not make Kendall Dr one lane in each direction east of the Palmetto? Sunset used to be 5 lanes (2 each direction plus a center turning lane) but the city of South Miami put their foot down and narrowed it to create a more pedestrian friendly environment. Kendall Dr is already just a 2 lane road east of SW 67th AVE in Pinecrest so they would only be making the inevitable narrowing happen farther west. There is less traffic on Kendall east of the Palmetto anyway. The reason it would never happen is that South Miami is its own city so it didn't have to care that they were pissing off commuters who were trying to use Sunset as a road to get from Downtown and the Grove to Kendall. The Dadeland Area is in Unincorporated MD so those making the decisions on this are those who get elected by people who drive on Kendall DR from West Kendall to US-1. Probably makes too much sense to happen anyways.

Any thoughts?

dave8721

August 23rd, 2006, 08:37 PM

I was walking on Sunset in South Miami the other day when this occured to me. It has no chance of ever actually happening though I think it should and probably needs to. Why not make Kendall Dr one lane in each direction east of the Palmetto? Sunset used to be 5 lanes (2 each direction plus a center turning lane) but the city of South Miami put their foot down and narrowed it to create a more pedestrian friendly environment. Kendall Dr is already just a 2 lane road east of SW 67th AVE in Pinecrest so they would only be making the inevitable narrowing happen farther west. There is less traffic on Kendall east of the Palmetto anyway. The reason it would never happen is that South Miami is its own city so it didn't have to care that they were pissing off commuters who were trying to use Sunset as a road to get from Downtown and the Grove to Kendall. The Dadeland Area is in Unincorporated MD so those making the decisions on this are those who get elected by people who drive on Kendall DR from West Kendall to US-1. Probably makes too much sense to happen anyways.

Any thoughts?

At the very least narrowing it to 2 lanes in each direction would be a step in the right direction (its 7 lanes now 4 west bound, 3 east bound). This would put it in line with Miracle Mile, Grand Ave & McFarlane in the grove, Washington & Alton on the Beach and other pedestrian freindly roads.

MIAballinboi

August 23rd, 2006, 11:50 PM

^wait just 2 make sure, u mean in the dadeland area, with the giant mall on the left and the new towers and hotels on the right? that kendall drive.

that would be the worst thing to happen, well from traffic point of view, its pretty bad how it his now at its super-width, but ur saying to narrow it to one lane each waY?

i can just imagine the traffic backup from krome avenue to dadeland lol

Rx727sfl2002

August 24th, 2006, 06:03 AM

DAVE THOSE ARE COMPACTED URBAN CENTERS WHERE PEOPLE WALK TO WORK AND PLAY

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SUBURBS WHERE EVERYONE HAS A CAR EVEN GRANDMA

BornInTheGrove

August 24th, 2006, 06:23 AM

DAVE THOSE ARE COMPACTED URBAN CENTERS WHERE PEOPLE WALK TO WORK AND PLAY
and because of that... they only need to lanes of traffic?... riiiiiight

dave8721

August 24th, 2006, 02:22 PM

I'm talking about the Dadeland area. The whole rational behind allowing all the new residential highrises in the area now is that it is to become an area where people walk and work and play (they are only giving 1 parking spot to 2 or 3 bedroom condos, and very little parking for new retail establishments). Who then gets the priority? The people who live in the area or the people who live miles to the west and merely wish to pass through at 55 mph on an 7 to 8 lane surface road (when theres aready a freeway taking the same path only a block or so north)?

Rx727sfl2002

August 28th, 2006, 11:08 AM

the roads here arent going to be eliminated becuase of a 4 block project
that would be silly to bottle neck that whole corridor especially at such an intersection where it connects to us1

miami has a hard enough time closing ally's you think they are going to close down roads... the pedestrians have enough area to walk around in

if we didnt have the suburbs to the west of that then no problem promote mass transit by making them a dedicated bus lane, taxi lane, or even bike path. eliminating it would only make us look like boston and then you would just have backed up traffic and a bunch of pissed off hot blooded hispanic people giving each other the finger and most likely the wrong one since thats an american thing.

so no leave it as it is....

great notion but only works for areas that want to limit traffic and limit growth and also slow down the traffic passing through its neighborhood...

dave8721

September 5th, 2006, 04:01 PM

Link to add for the new Dadeland Centre II bulding. You can click on the add and open up the picture there for a much larger rendering:

http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite/Listing/Profile/ProfileSE.aspx?LID=14774929&linkcode=1070&sourcecode=1lww2t006a00001

http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/F/7/C/F7C34E95-ED37-4685-93E8-ACDB61F69385.jpg

dave8721

October 5th, 2006, 10:51 PM

What was originally to be a 2nd residential building for the Dadeland Station area has been changed to an Office tower:

http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/061005/fyi.shtml

DADELAND OFFICE BUILDING: Green Dadeland Station Ltd. wants to build a 150,000-square-foot office building with storefront retail at the Dadeland North Metrorail Station site, where it is in the 12th year of a 90-year lease with the county for retail and residential joint development. Miami-Dade commissioners are to decide Tuesday whether to amend the lease to let the company move forward. If approved, construction is expected to begin next year.

brickell

October 5th, 2006, 10:54 PM

Looks like this is what is going to onto the emtpy lot next to Towers of Dadeland. I'm glad they're going to do something with it.

From the Miami News

DADELAND OFFICE BUILDING: Green Dadeland Station Ltd. wants to build a 150,000-square-foot office building with storefront retail at the Dadeland North Metrorail Station site, where it is in the 12th year of a 90-year lease with the county for retail and residential joint development. Miami-Dade commissioners are to decide Tuesday whether to amend the lease to let the company move forward. If approved, construction is expected to begin next year.

hello345

October 9th, 2006, 08:09 AM

Any new pics of downtown dadeland?

ChuckScraperMiami#1

October 18th, 2006, 01:44 AM

Any new pics of downtown dadeland?

HELLO:) ,
Downtown Dadeland has its first storefront Open, and its already busy with customers along Kendall Drive,

Also the " ROOMS TO GO " MEGA Store:) had its Grand Opening last weekend, and IT WAS a Success by its owners in the Miami Herald on Monday. Condos are also completed on top of the Mega Store for residents to start moving in, WOW !!!

Its a Growing City in Downtown Dadeland:scouserd: , Just keeps growing in Residents and Construction of more new towers everyday !!!:)

dave8721

October 18th, 2006, 09:01 PM

Looks a little nicer than the other Colonnade towers:

http://img.travidia.com/rop-ad/3629526

rider_of_rohan

October 18th, 2006, 11:48 PM

Looks nice Dave, or should I say Guy :)

brickell

October 19th, 2006, 05:23 PM

Has anyone figured out where they will be yet?

Paul305

October 19th, 2006, 07:08 PM

Yeah. Park Towers are going to be directly north of the Colonnade. Originally, the Colonnade was going to be 4 ten floor towers on one city block. Since then, Lennar has changed the plans to 2 ten floor Colonnade buildings and 2 ten floor Park Towers Buildings (and a small plaza/park) on one city block. The development is located on the West side of 72nd Avenue between 82nd Street and Snapper Creek (the canal not the expressway).

brickell

October 19th, 2006, 07:57 PM

Thanks. I pass by the site almost every day. Makes sense. We don't have a rendering of the final product though do we?

speaking of Dadeland, I went to both West Elm and Rooms To Go over the weekend. Downtown Dadeland is going to be marvelous. There's still a lot of work to do though. Getting from Publix to Toucano to DD involved cutting through parking lots, going around walls crossing the street with no crosswalk. . .

BornInTheGrove

October 19th, 2006, 08:40 PM

Whatever happened to that advanced concept City Furniture, with like a Starbucks in it, I think.

rider_of_rohan

October 20th, 2006, 06:22 AM

Hey I was just think about Dadeland and wanted to know something. Is there a height restriction in this area like around downtown?

DGM

October 20th, 2006, 08:21 AM

There is a 25 floor limit. They went with a floor limit instead of a height limit so that builders wouldn't be motivated to build short floors.

brickell

October 20th, 2006, 05:02 PM

I didn't realize there was a height limit, but the Pincecrest and East Kendall nimbys will do everything in their power to keep it from getting "too tall".

dave8721

October 20th, 2006, 05:22 PM

Its a local county government imposed limit though, not an FAA one. For all the FAA cares, they could go 2000 feet there. Probably the only highrise neighborhood in the Miami area thats not in an FAA hazard zone.

rider_of_rohan

October 21st, 2006, 03:08 AM

Yet there are still height limits :( anyone want to build a 25 story building with 40 foot floors? lol. Does that floor limit include parking garage?

dave8721

December 13th, 2006, 04:34 PM

I ran across a way to look up the plans and renderings of approved buildings on the Miami-Dade site.

http://www.miamidade.gov/planzone/track/home.asp

The easiest way is if you can find the folio number of the property and then search on that. Or you can just put "dadeland" in the "applicatants name" and find a lot since most of the projects in the Dadeland area have "dadeland" in the name somewhere. Search under "administrative site plan review" to find the plans and stuff.

Here is the 149 foot tall Archstone project (Renaissance at Dadeland):

rendering: http://pzimage.miamidade.gov/images/PZHEAR05112901/026-ZHRG-BB-ACS-20051122002_X/A2005000014/S1R.pdf

plans: http://pzimage.miamidade.gov/images/PZHEAR05112901/026-ZHRG-BB-ACS-20051122002_X/A2005000014/HR.pdf

The Under Construction (173 foot tall) Dadeland Centre II:
plans: http://pzimage.miamidade.gov/images/new_documents/A2004000044/HR.pdf

The Town Center project (256 feet tall not counting roof structure): http://pzimage.miamidade.gov/images/new_documents/A2004000017/HR.pdf

The 276 feet tall (not counting roof structure) Dadeland Park Village: http://pzimage.miamidade.gov/images/PZHEAR05020701/026-ZHRG-BB-ACS-20050131001/A2003000022/HR.pdf

Site Plan for the 131-foot tall Colonnade project. Looks like they are going to leave an open area fronting 82nd Street and 72nd Ave as a "public plaza": http://pzimage.miamidade.gov/images/PZHEAR03040701/026-ZHRG-BB-ACS-20030402001/A2001000002/S1.pdf

Last but not least, the 288 foot tall second tower for the "Towers of Dadeland" (the ones by Dadeland north): http://pzimage.miamidade.gov/images/PZHEAR03040701/026-ZHRG-BB-ACS-20030401006/A2001000030/HR.pdf

By the way, the Metropolis towers are an even 300 feet tall and Toscano is 285 feet tall.

rider_of_rohan

December 13th, 2006, 05:45 PM

Wow, Dadeland is really booming. Will look pretty impressive.

dave8721

December 13th, 2006, 10:20 PM

Took me a little longer to find this one, here is the City Furniture that is to go between shorter Toscano building and Downtown Dadeland. By the way, this City Furinture is to be 120 feet tall (a furniture store the height of a 12-story building):

http://pzimage.miamidade.gov/images/PZHEAR05020701/026-ZHRG-BB-ACS-20050128001/A2004000020/S1R.pdf

brickell

December 13th, 2006, 11:26 PM

great finds dave.

DGM

December 14th, 2006, 07:40 AM

Dadeland Park Village and Renaissance at Dadeland are the same project. Renaissance at Dadeland is the more recent and shorter (by 100 feet) version. This is fine by me because the plans for Dadeland Park Village were hideous and the plans for Renaissance at Dadeland contain much more retail, besides the shorter building will be more similar in height to neighboring buildings: Dadeland Station, Park Tower, and the Colonnade. BTW, I am finally back in Miami and plan to stop by Dadeland tommorow. If I have time I'll take a few shots of the new construction.

MMH

February 20th, 2007, 08:07 AM

Is there any new news in Dadeland. Its been quiet for a while now

brickell

February 20th, 2007, 05:40 PM

There's a Chili's opening up in Downtown Dadeland. The first Collonade tower is getting paint. The second is u/c. I saw some equipment at the 2nd Towers of Dadeland site. Not sure if they're going to start that up or not. Otherwise quiet.

dave8721

February 20th, 2007, 06:47 PM

brickell

February 20th, 2007, 10:36 PM

Oh and there's a Kokoriko at Dadeland Station now, a popular Colombian fast food chicken and rice type place (apparently). It's their first restaurant in the states.

dave8721

February 26th, 2007, 04:28 PM

On opening of Downtown Dadeland:

KENDALL
Tour gives public chance to check out urban project

Development companies celebrated Kendall's new downtown by finally opening the area to the public on Thursday, although not all condos have been sold.

By JOSE PAGLIERY
jpagliery@MiamiHerald.com

Kendall's new urban core received a great deal of attention Thursday as the public got its first glimpse of several projects at Downtown Dadeland.

The preview showcased the area's potential by inviting people to take a tour through condos and the only two open businesses, furnishings stores West Elm and Rooms To Go. As small crowds toured the area, they were handed brochures for furniture stores, condos and offices.

Dayco development hosted a preview of the joint $1.2 billion project six years in the making. The area, along North Kendall Drive and across from Dadeland Mall, is a dense metropolitan hub comprised of residential and office condominiums and ground-floor retail spaces, stretching from U.S. 1 to the Palmetto Expressway.

''Miami's so big that it's starting to make sense to have these small downtown centers,'' said Luis Lamar, president of Dayco, which is developing the office condo building Town Center One.

With the collective efforts of four development groups, Fairfield, Gulfside, Terra and Dayco, the area aims to become a community in which residents can live, work and entertain themselves without having to travel outside a five-mile radius.

But like Brickell and Downtown Miami condos, some of the residential developments still have unsold units, despite having been introduced into the housing market a few years ago. The urban core's first operational project, Downtown Dadeland, still has a 6 percent vacancy rate, or 25 units left, after four years of sale. Toscano, once available for rental, is now only for sale and has sold three-quarters of its available condos, leaving almost 100 unoccupied spaces since its introduction in the summer of 2005. Tenants have only recently begun to move into Toscano and Downtown Dadeland at a rate of about five closings per day.

Of the four developments, Metropolis is the only sold out condo, and its tenants currently occupy the building.

However, Tom Byrne, a broker with Esslinger Wooten Maxwell, believes these figures are to be expected, especially after the change in the nature of Miami's real estate market.

''Downtown Dadeland was created during the peak of demand for condos, but there will be a body in every unit in every condo at some time. They're magnificent. People would much rather live in those units than in older units further west,'' said Byrne, whose firm is in charge of selling condos in the area.

And price may be reflecting demand. Some parts of the downtown Kendall area have been valued at $95 per square foot, and prices continues to rise, possibly explaining the recent increase in business activity.

A Chili's restaurant facing the Downtown Dadeland condo plans to be operational within three weeks, followed by Bombay, a home furnishing store. Tenants are also waiting for two more: The Children's Place, a children's clothing store, and Panera Bread, a bakery/cafe.

''It is just the way to live,'' said Stella Donelan, who paid a total of $429,000 for a 1,300 square foot penthouse condo overlooking the Cheesecake Factory on Kendall Drive.

But while she believes the view is to die for, she wouldn't have moved in while her children were still small.

However, Steven and Christal Farias did bring their 2-year-old daughter along for the five-stop tour.

''I love this atmosphere,'' Steven said as he looked down from a second-story balcony at the cars parked below. ``The prices are a little high, but if you're going to live in the middle of the city, you're going to pay.''

dave8721

March 14th, 2007, 04:44 PM

PDF showing the layout of the "Town Center" development for Dadeland. Aside from the 18-story Town Center One, there is also to be a 25-story condo/hotel. a 25-story condo and 2 more 25 story office buildings.

http://pzimage.miamidade.gov/images/new_documents/A2004000017/S1R.pdf

dave8721

March 14th, 2007, 07:38 PM

The 2nd Towers of Dadeland tower (the ones by Dadeland Station) has been changed to a 184 foot tall office tower rather than another rental apartment building. Also it looks like its going to have a lot of retail that opens up to the Dadeland North metrorail station. These pdfs are from Feb 2007:

Ground floor layout:
http://pzimage.miamidade.gov/images/new_documents/A2007000004/S1.pdf

The building:
http://pzimage.miamidade.gov/images/new_documents/A2007000004/E1.pdf

brickell

March 14th, 2007, 10:27 PM

Not bad for the suburbs. Nice finds.

Paul305

March 15th, 2007, 03:16 AM

Some pics from today:
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00359.jpg?t=1173921188

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00368-1.jpg?t=1173921230

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00370.jpg?t=1173921272

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00369.jpg?t=1173921307

Toucano

April 16th, 2007, 06:28 PM

Has anyone heard of this:

http://www.nouveaumiami.com/nouveau5.swf

coruna

April 16th, 2007, 11:07 PM

Looks like a nice new project......any development in the Dadeland area is good. Even though it's not close to downtown or South Beach, it is developing into an urban center in the suburbs. It's much better than sprawl, and despite its location far away from the city center, it has direct access via public transportation (dadeland south and dadeland north metrorail stations) into the center of the city, and that will encourage the people living there to use transit and to visit downtown more often. It's also becoming a nice walkable area, I was down there a couple of weeks ago and it's really changed even in the last year.

DGM

April 17th, 2007, 05:49 AM

It desperately could use some cross walks. Getting from the Downtown Dadeland development to the west side of Dadeland Blvd requires dashing across busy traffic, usually after waiting five minutes for a good chance to run.

dave8721

April 17th, 2007, 02:48 PM

Has anyone heard of this:

http://www.nouveaumiami.com/nouveau5.swf

Thats the project formerly known as Dadeland Park Village. It came out several years ago and has had some websites sitting around for years as well. Its a Fortune project so maybe Roark could give a few more details. I know there is still an apartment complex standing on the land that this is supposed to go on.

miamicanes

April 17th, 2007, 04:15 PM

I know it's against the religion of people who hate cars and want to punish drivers at every opportunity, but those who want to see Kendall Drive made more "pedestrian friendly" will have a MUCH easier time getting their wish if they "bundle" it with a proposal to add new ramps from westbound 878 to northbound 826, and southbound 826 to eastbound 878, along with a new lane in each direction between 826 and US-1. That way, cars that would have used Kendall Drive to get from 826 to US-1 will have a superior alternative route to take instead.

coruna

April 17th, 2007, 09:43 PM

I agree with you there. And even know I'm a transit advocate I don't hate drivers, I'm a driver myself just like almost all of us in this forum. It doesn't mean you're doing anything wrong to drive a car, or use a car as a mode of transportation when public transit is not available. I just am not the kind of person that would take a car if transit is a viable option. Most of us who share my point of view on transit also share my point of view on driving. Like going from west Kendall to dadeland along the 878 route, you can't take metrorail so driving is the only option. That sounds like a good idea though if it could make the Dadeland area more pedestrian-friendly.

EnriqueH

April 18th, 2007, 11:17 PM

I've worked at Dadeland Mall since Oct. 2004, so I've been seeing the growth there up close.

It's really turning out quite nice. I should take a camera to work and take photos like crazy to show you guys.

dave8721

May 18th, 2007, 09:52 PM

A post by "Sniper" @ Urban Planet including a photo tour of the area:

Well, the Downtown Dadeland project is almost done, so I was invited in for a walk-through and I snapped a few more pics to share with all of you. Please forgive the haziness, but the whole state is on fire and it's wreaking havoc on our sunshine! :angry:

This is an ENE shot from the 5th floor of Building "A". On the left is JCPenney and Nordstrom at Dadeland Mall. Behind is the Nouveau Condos building. Next to this building is the Dadeland Station building which is the home of Target, Michael's, Best Buy, Sports Authority, and Bed Bath & Beyond.
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4853/img1795hw9.jpg

This is an East shot from the 5th floor of Building "A". Here you see The Container Store and Old Navy.
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/1610/img1797dq7.jpg

This is an ESE shot from the 5th floor of Building "A". Here you see Old Navy and Office Depot.
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/3855/img1824uc7.jpg

This is a North shot from the 5th floor of Building "A". Here you see the main entrance to Dadeland Mall with Saks Fifth Avenue on the left and The Cheesecake Factory on the right. At the bottom of the pic is Kendall Drive (SW 88th Street).
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/1213/img1801nr6.jpg

This is a South shot from the 5th floor of Building "A". Here you see Downtown Dadeland's seven buildings surrounding main street.
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/2659/img1802yz1.jpg

This is a South shot from the 5th floor of Building "B". Here you see Downtown Dadeland's seven buildings surrounding main street.
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/5003/img1871lv0.jpg

This is a South shot between Downtown Dadeland's Building "A" and "B". Here you see Downtown Dadeland's seven buildings surrounding main street.
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3351/img1878xf3.jpg

This is a West shot between Downtown Dadeland's Building "B" and "D". Behind you see Toscano.
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1624/img1827uv4.jpg

This is a North shot between Downtown Dadeland's Building "A" and "B". Behind you see Kendall Drive and Dadeland Mall. To the right (under the green awnings) you see the new Chili's restaurant that opens at the end of this month (May).
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7972/img1828hn6.jpg

This is a WSW shot from the 5th floor of Building "B". Here you see Metropolis and Toscano.
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/531/img1834rz8.jpg

This is a North shot between Downtown Dadeland's Building "A" and "B". Here you see Kendall Drive and Dadeland Mall. Behind the mall you see Colonnade.
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8550/img1857ex0.jpg

This is a North shot between Downtown Dadeland's Building "A" and "B". Here you see Kendall Drive and Dadeland Mall. Behind the mall you see Colonnade.
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4971/img1869zc7.jpg

Enjoy the progress!

Bobdreamz

May 18th, 2007, 10:38 PM

it's amazing how in a few years they completely transformed that area

CalleOchoGringo

May 19th, 2007, 03:25 AM

I can see now why people like to live out in the suburbs. So much more vibrant and exciting than this bland looking place. And why ride the metrorail home from downtown when you can spend a quarter of your life on the 826 in traffic. Who doesn't want that American dream!

thetallerthebetter

May 19th, 2007, 07:30 PM

man that toscano is a hedious building, I mean nasty!

it's uglyness is accentuated by the way superior colors and architecture of metroplis and the downtown dadeland buildings not to mention the intersting features of the mall across the street. That tired recycled mediterranean 80's look is so over dont the developer know this?

kevinkagy

May 19th, 2007, 11:31 PM

I really like what has become of Downtown Dadeland, it's beautiful, completely urban. I would definitely live there, it looks really nice, great news to urban development here in Miami!

EnriqueH

May 20th, 2007, 06:32 AM

Paul305

June 7th, 2007, 05:01 PM

From GlobeSt.com (http://www.globest.com/news/923_923/miami/161252-1.html):
Dayco Breaks Ground for 210,000-SF Office Condo
By Natalie Keith

MIAMI-Locally based Dayco has started construction on Town Center One, a 210,000-sf office condominium project in Dadeland. The 24-story project is located in the triangle bordered by Kendall Drive to the north, the Palmetto Expressway to the west and US Highway 1 to the east. It is expected to be completed in two years.

Dayco president Luis Lumar tells GlobeSt.com that the estimated sell-out of the project is $101 million. He adds that about $40 million of the units have already been sold, mostly to doctors, dentists and other local businesses. The top two floors of the building were sold to a local insurance company.

“The buyers are mostly local business owners who want to buy their office building and work closer to where they live,” he says.

The glass wall building will be the first office condominium in Dadeland’s Urban Core, Miami-Dade’s first urban submarket. The submarket also features residential condominiums, retail development and restaurants such as West Elm and Chili’s. Town Center One is also the first phase of the Town Center at Dadeland, a 5.5-acre mixed-use project. The project, developed from the Downtown Kendall Charrette, is zoned for five buildings, which will contain a combination of commercial, retail and residential space.

Lumar says plans for subsequent buildings at Town Center at Dadeland will be determined based on the market, but will likely contain some live-work space and a hotel to support the office space. “We’re going to watch the market carefully and respond to what the market is saying rather than force something on the marketplace,” he says.

Town Center One (http://towncenterone.com/) rendering:
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/TownCenterOne004.jpg

MiamiMike

June 8th, 2007, 05:00 AM

Wow this is beautiful. I like innovative architecture alot........... but I also appreciate the simplicity of a nice GLASS rectangular-shaped box lol.

Paul305

June 8th, 2007, 05:35 AM

intresant

June 8th, 2007, 05:44 AM

I still don't get which building it is in the entire town center complex vision. I sreen pictured these renders from their flash website www.towncenterone.com

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i102/stratoshpere/dadelandlabeled.png

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i102/stratoshpere/dadelandcore.png

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i102/stratoshpere/towncentercomplete.png

It seems that it's the one in the bottom left corner of the last picture right behind the publix but the render sure looks different!

southfloridamiamian

June 8th, 2007, 05:46 AM

Wow the one on the top right looks incredible. I hope thats the next one they are planning on building.

Paul305

June 8th, 2007, 06:33 AM

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i102/stratoshpere/towncentercomplete.png

It seems that it's the one in the bottom left corner of the last picture right behind the publix but the render sure looks different!
I think you're right about the location. Here's a pic taken from that site about a year ago:
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/DSC00171.jpg

thetallerthebetter

June 8th, 2007, 07:03 AM

I think it's the other taller building to the right of the one you said. See it best in the second horizontal image. It's on the corner bordering toscano to the east and the pubix to the south. The tell tale garage pedestal matches the bigger rendering. Now I know what you're thinking hey what about that little mohawk on top of it? well I think that will be an addition built in the future when they build the tower right next to it. Anyone agree wih my hypothesis?

DGM

June 8th, 2007, 12:36 PM

BTW, Datran V was probably topped off a few months ago. I don't think there have been any photos of the building on this site since it broke ground. That's just one more midrise added to the Dadeland skyline.

dave8721

June 8th, 2007, 02:49 PM

It will certainly contrast with the faux-Mediterranean architecture of Toscano and the Art Deco themes in Metropolis. BTW, the rendering is only 18 floors while the article says the tower will be the maximum allowable 24 floors. Assuming the floors are 13 ft. each, the total height will be 312 ft.

The building will be 18-stories. I think they just say "24-floors" to mean it will be about 240 feet tall. Their permits are for an 18 story buiding:

(permit for groundbreaking)
http://www.miamidade.gov/planzone/track/res_log.asp (02-55-40 for the section township range)
"ASPR FOR A SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF AN 18-STORY OFFICE DEV"

MIAballinboi

June 8th, 2007, 06:25 PM

wow, dadeland is transforming to a nice mini-downtown.!

EnriqueH

June 10th, 2007, 11:32 PM

I went to the new Chili's there on their opening night after work with a bunch of my co-workers. It's a nice looking Chili's.

3 Crown & Cokes
2 draft beers
1 Long Island

Came out to about 40 bucks.

By the way, what's going to happen to the white medical building in the middle of all this. I got my braces there as a kid.

elisokool16

June 12th, 2007, 02:44 AM

yeah i went to the chili's on saturday and it was pretty good but also empty. It's probably because no one know that its open yet considering that the only shops open on downtown dadeland are the ones visible from kendall and it looks closed from there. It was decent and I was informed that as of now, parking is free, its underground by the way for those of you that want to go there soon. Supposedly, if your coming from us1 towards the 826, u make the last left before chilis and thats where the garage is.

As for which building goes with downtown dadeland, from an architectural standpoint, all of the development from the past year and a half looks like its the same project. Everything is that similar terrace / mediterranean style. If the two metropolis towers were painted yellow, I would have assumed that all these projects were one thing.

thetallerthebetter

June 12th, 2007, 05:38 PM

maybe I'm missing something but metropolis is anything but mediterranean it's very art deco very early century and very "Gotham City" I love it as much as I hate Toscano

dave8721

November 26th, 2007, 05:25 PM

It looks like the developers of Downtown Dadeland have gone bankrupt and are abondoning the project without completing it. They are leaving it to their lender to finish the project if they want to.

Anyone have a subscription to the Daily Business Review to get the article?:
http://blog.miamicondoinvestments.com/2007/11/24/downtown-dadeland-project-developer-goes-bust/

dave8721

November 26th, 2007, 06:08 PM

^^

A quote:
The Daily Business Review. “The developers of Downtown Dadeland are walking way from the massive mixed-use project in Kendall and handing over the unfinished complex to construction lender Goldman Sachs Commercial Mortgage.”

“Gulfside Development principals Jackson Ward and Stefan Johansson say they can no longer afford to make payments on the $224 million construction loan and won’t fight a foreclosure suit filed two weeks ago in Miami-Dade Circuit Court.”

“The project’s failure is the largest yet in the current real estate downturn, which has hit the overdeveloped condo market especially hard.”

“‘It is a friendly handover,’ said Johansson, principal of South Miami-based Gulfside Development. ‘We have been helping them in the transition for almost a month. There are no bad feelings, and we wish them good luck with a beautiful project.’”

Funny that there's no mention of it anywhere in the Miami Herald...

brickell

November 26th, 2007, 07:37 PM

from outside appearances, it's nearly complete too. Interesting to see what will become of it.

dave8721

November 26th, 2007, 08:46 PM

Agreed, makes you wonder why a developer would do 99% of the work then give it away when basically all that is left to do are the closings

Hia-leah JDM

November 26th, 2007, 10:45 PM

so theres still parts of Dadeland under construction? It looked complete last time I saw it. So now that this happened what happens to DTD

intresant

November 27th, 2007, 11:38 PM

Paul305

November 28th, 2007, 03:46 AM

This may be a bit off topic but over the break I noticed that Town Center One is now up to its second or third floor of construction.

Beach Bum

November 28th, 2007, 05:26 AM

There are probably a number of people that have contracts to purchase, but haven't closed. When the original seller is foreclosed on does that automatically release those buyers and they get their deposits back? I've seen some contracts where the seller is allowed to assign the contract. I wonder if the developer assigns their contract rights to the lender in a foreclosure action, and if that lender can then force the buyer to go through with the purchase?

On the other hand the lender may want to sell all remaining units in bulk, and not do individual closings, in which case, I wonder if the buyer can force the lender to close on individual units.

miamicanes

November 28th, 2007, 03:40 PM

Whoa heavy stuff... According to the site they're only 37 units left. That has to be less than one third of inventory?
Remember, that doesn't necessarily mean there are only 37 units not sold out of the entire building... just that there are 37 units of the ones they want to sell up front that have been sold. They might have tried to sell as few preconstruction as possible to make more money selling them after completion, and had the plan backfire on them. If they were fantasizing about sustaining sale prices of $400k+ for tiny 1-bedroom condos, the current market will definitely be a harsh reality check for them.

I suspect there's a clause somewhere in the DTD sales contracts (or condo bylaws) that gives the developer the de-facto right to decide to sell the entire building to an investor to run as an apartment complex, and buy out the few individual owners who closed or want to close. In any case, if 95% of the units were bought by someone like JPI with the intent of turning the building into a rental community, individual owners would be insane to not sell, because the new owner would control the condo association, and the unfortunate holdouts would end up with the worst of all possible worlds -- paying a condo mortgage, insurance, and taxes... and end up with the ambiance and lifestyle of a rental community, and a unit worth a fraction of its purchase price. :(

dave8721

November 28th, 2007, 04:04 PM

Whoa heavy stuff... According to the site they're only 37 units left. That has to be less than one third of inventory? That's not that much... Apparently Bombay furniture is moving out of there as well.

The complex was actually 416 condos so 37 units represents only 9% of the inventory (91% sold out if those were really the only units left).

Its also interesting to note that each unit came with just one parking space, even the 2 and 3 bedroom units. Additional spots had to be purchased and there were only a few of those available (total of 504 parking spaces for 416 condos).

umiami305

November 28th, 2007, 04:46 PM

Roark

November 28th, 2007, 07:44 PM

There are probably a number of people that have contracts to purchase, but haven't closed. When the original seller is foreclosed on does that automatically release those buyers and they get their deposits back? It's not automatic, and returning deposits is usually at the discretion of the developing entity. The developer would have organized this project in an LLC or some other type of holding company. The purchase agreements are usually made between the individual and that perpetual entity. If the developer "folds", what happens is that the seller/entity will be owned by another party. That other party could be a bank, and individual, an apartment rental company, or just about any other entity. Nothing changes for the individual buyer or his contractual obligation to the LLC. Further, those purchase agreements are usually written so that the seller of the units has a lot of latitude and the buyer has none. The new owner of the project may cancel all contracts and return deposits...he may cancel some and honor others, or he may force all to close.
In the case of Bently on the Bay, the bank foreclosed on the developer. The Bank cancelled all one bedroom contracts, then raised their prices to meet the market. The bank gave the original buyers first right of refusal to purchase their unit back at a higher price or to walk with their deposit and 3 years of wasted time.

intresant

November 28th, 2007, 11:20 PM

The complex was actually 416 condos so 37 units represents only 9% of the inventory (91% sold out if those were really the only units left).

Its also interesting to note that each unit came with just one parking space, even the 2 and 3 bedroom units. Additional spots had to be purchased and there were only a few of those available (total of 504 parking spaces for 416 condos).

Yikes, didn't know there were actually over 400 units.

Bombay has nothing to do with DT Dadeland's problems, Bombay is going out of business everywhere, its not just that store.

Ok just for the record I didn't intend to suggest that one thing has to do with the other :D Just thought it was interesting they were leaving shortly after opening. Never actually gone in that store btw. I heard they have good stuff though.

Miamicanes you bring up a good point.

90% of units sold at such high prices when one bedrooms are selling at over 100k less next block at metropolis seems far fetched.

BTW, does anyone know how Toscano is doing in terms of sales? Having their price point higher than metropolis and all.

dave8721

November 29th, 2007, 12:02 AM

The DD website lists the one bedrooms with a den (~910 square feet) at around $297K give or take a thousand or so per floor. The 2 bedroom are listed in the mid to high 300's, some of the 3 bedroom units approach $600K. On the other side of dadeland though, Collanade does list their 1 bedroom as "starting at over $400K".

Beach Bum

November 29th, 2007, 05:16 AM

It's not automatic, and returning deposits is usually at the discretion of the developing entity. The developer would have organized this project in an LLC or some other type of holding company. The purchase agreements are usually made between the individual and that perpetual entity. If the developer "folds", what happens is that the seller/entity will be owned by another party. That other party could be a bank, and individual, an apartment rental company, or just about any other entity. Nothing changes for the individual buyer or his contractual obligation to the LLC. Further, those purchase agreements are usually written so that the seller of the units has a lot of latitude and the buyer has none. The new owner of the project may cancel all contracts and return deposits...he may cancel some and honor others, or he may force all to close.
In the case of Bently on the Bay, the bank foreclosed on the developer. The Bank cancelled all one bedroom contracts, then raised their prices to meet the market. The bank gave the original buyers first right of refusal to purchase their unit back at a higher price or to walk with their deposit and 3 years of wasted time.

Thanks for your response Roark, there seems to be a lot of attorneys advertising they could get buyers' deposits back, so your real-life experience, not advertising hype, is appreciated.

Paul305

December 5th, 2007, 09:50 PM

Hurray for big renderings!

Town Center One:
http://bp3.blogger.com/_d7A0oJ8fprM/RvLtjlGRgII/AAAAAAAAACo/ZPg-bMDCQQA/s1600/TC1.jpg

http://bp0.blogger.com/_d7A0oJ8fprM/RvLrG1GRgHI/AAAAAAAAACg/RYKdFkYVnj0/s1600/TC1.jpg

Hia-leah JDM

December 5th, 2007, 11:21 PM

^^umm...i dnt see them?!?!

theDirector

December 5th, 2007, 11:32 PM

^^Don't see it either.^^

dave8721

December 6th, 2007, 05:14 AM

I can't see the pics either but I drove by it the other day and its up over the level of the Palmetto along side it.

brickell

December 6th, 2007, 04:56 PM

Hurray for big renderings!

I rehosted the images for you.

Town Center One:
http://www.miamiprogress.com/ssp/TC1.jpg

http://www.miamiprogress.com/ssp/TC1-1.jpg

intresant

December 7th, 2007, 09:05 PM

Which side is 88?

Paul305

December 7th, 2007, 10:38 PM

Thanks Brickell! They showed up when I first posted so I didn't think there would be a hosting issue. By the way, they've already built the first two or three floors of the building. I'll make sure to post some pictures of it when I'm in Miami in a week or two. Also, the building isn't on 88th but behind the CompUSA or Circuit City (or whatever computer place they have there). The building in the far background of the second picture will eventually be built on Kendall.

305Lover

December 7th, 2007, 10:58 PM

CompUSA....

intresant

December 7th, 2007, 10:59 PM

Oh ok got it, thx! So it's next to publix then.

Paul305

January 7th, 2008, 03:21 AM

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2370/2170605325_147fe692fe_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2187/2171399430_e2f5d5cb11_b.jpg

FIDEL CASTRO

January 7th, 2008, 09:30 PM

How tall is it going to be?

intresant

January 7th, 2008, 11:28 PM

Great update haven't passed by there in a while, downtown dadeland is going to look smashing. It's like a mini cbd without the insecurity :D

Paul305

January 8th, 2008, 01:47 AM

How tall is it going to be?
18 floors or about 250 ft.

FIDEL CASTRO

January 8th, 2008, 02:26 AM

18 floors or about 250 ft.

So that's tower IV, am I right?

kevinkagy

January 8th, 2008, 04:59 AM

18 floors or about 250 ft.

That's really good height for Dadeland, nice!

Paul305

January 8th, 2008, 05:06 AM

So that's tower IV, am I right?

Actually, Datran IV already finished construction. You can see it in the background of the picture below. The building in the pictures above is Town Center One.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2280/2177128906_7a5aa8b429_b.jpg

dave8721

January 25th, 2008, 08:21 PM

Tenant for TC1:

http://southflorida.bizjournals.com/southflorida/stories/2008/01/21/daily37.html?surround=lfn

BMI Cos. to move HQ to Dadeland area

South Florida Business Journal

BMI Cos. said is moving its global headquarters to Dayco's Town Center One in Miami-Dade County.

The insurance company is currently located in Coral Gables. It lists $5.5 billion in policies and 200,000 customers from Latin America, Asia and Europe.

Currently under construction, Town Center One is scheduled to be complete in 2009. It is to be a 210,000-square-foot, 24-story, Class A office condominium. It is the initial phase of Dayco's Town Center at Dadeland, a 5.5-acre, mixed-use blend of commercial, retail and residential condominiums.

BMI will be located in the Town Center's top two floors.

It is part of our strategic growth plan to relocate our business to the Dadeland area," founder and BMI Financial Group Chairman Tony M. Sierra said in a news release. "We are seeing a tremendous amount of business momentum coming to this part of Miami Dade."

Town Center One is within walking distance of Dadeland Mall and the Metrorail, and has convenient access to the Palmetto Expressway, U.S. 1 and downtown Miami.