I think you're right in that over-supply has arrived or is looming. However, I don't think its as simple as saying nothing will get built until a balance returns. Developers will still build if they think that their schemes have the sufficient quality and strength of location to withstand the competition. There's a hell of a lot of average, or below average quality accommodation available/under construction in fringe and less than flattering locations around Manchester city centre. Some of these probably won't even be considered by the sort of buyer looking for prime city centre properties and location.

There's a world of difference between the city centre and fringe red-light districts. I know if I wanted a city centre flat (which I don't), I would be prepared to pay up for a better location. Both Eastgate and Crown are in quality, central locations and I think the developers will have the confidence in this, along with the backing of a good hotel covenant, to get on with construction.

I think there's a change in culture that also needs to be adopted and this will take time. When people rent/buy they expect to do so in the suburbs, because this is where everybody has in the past.

Whilst its easy to notice all these buildings popping up in town its not immediately apparent that people could consider swapping their flat in Didsbury or Fallowfield for one of these new-fangled apartments themselves.

Only recently am I beginning to find that these flats in the city are actually being taken up by people that I know. By people that used to live in south Manchester. And I think there's plenty more momentum due to be built up as people's firends migrate to the centre and in turn find out that if they play it a certain way, they can live in town too.

Only last week I was talking to a student who's mate owns a flat in the Hacienda and him and his bird are going to move into the spare room. I always saw the hacienda as an over priced development yet this lad is going to be paying less than what he does in Fallowfield.

Read this:

http://www.citywire.co.uk/News/NewsArticle.aspx?VersionID=92579&XDU=c9af9d56-806d-4c55-a585-2361419b67e4&XDS=O&XDNG=True&XDKL=0&XDURL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.citywire.co.uk%2fNews%2fNewsArticle.aspx%3fVersionID%3d92579

I know I promised not to post on this thread but that article is very informative of where we are at now.

I think you're right in that over-supply has arrived or is looming. However, I don't think its as simple as saying nothing will get built until a balance returns. Developers will still build if they think that their schemes have the sufficient quality and strength of location to withstand the competition. There's a hell of a lot of average, or below average quality accommodation available/under construction in fringe and less than flattering locations around Manchester city centre. Some of these probably won't even be considered by the sort of buyer looking for prime city centre properties and location.

There's a world of difference between the city centre and fringe red-light districts. I know if I wanted a city centre flat (which I don't), I would be prepared to pay up for a better location. Both Eastgate and Crown are in quality, central locations and I think the developers will have the confidence in this, along with the backing of a good hotel covenant, to get on with construction.

One thing to bare in mind is, Beetham was the first 'tall' apartment building in Manchester with all the publicity around the 4 star Hilton Hotel too. The one that does it second never gets the same publicity. Beetham Tower is also located in the prestigious Deansgate area. The top developments like No 1 Deansgate and Beetham are based there. So are all the upmarket clothes shops, book shops, hi-fi (Bang & Olufsen), Selfridges, Harvey Nicholls etc, jewellers, trendy bars and prestige Private Bankers. It's the cool area. The Piccadilly side has always been the bears arse side of town. This is really why i wanted both Eastgate and Albany to try to add some glamour to that side. Admitted, the Piccadilly side will never be seen as prestigious like the Deansgate area, but the more is done, the better it gets and the more attractive the area seems.

I think Beetham is a bit fringe, certainly compared to No1 Deansgate, but I was thinking more of the sea of apartments built and going up around Pollard Street and between Rochdale Road and Green Quarter, when making my comparison between central and fringe areas.

Piccadilly is a bit rough of course, but certainly improving with the likes of Picc Place. We'll see?

I think Beetham is a bit fringe, certainly compared to No1 Deansgate, but I was thinking more of the sea of apartments built and going up around Pollard Street and between Rochdale Road and Green Quarter, when making my comparison between central and fringe areas.

Piccadilly is a bit rough of course, but certainly improving with the likes of Picc Place. We'll see?

I'm glad Stevenson Sq is getting a makeover. I just hope it doesn't remove the vibe of the Tib St area. I think it's this the Piccadilly area should be trying to capitalise on, as it can't offer the prestige of the Deansgate area.

Will Eastgate have any retail shops around it? It could do with a few 'unique' shops around it, rather than just the mainstream shops you can get anywhere in the city centre.

I think Eastgate includes some retail space.

Sorry but you keep talking about “the Deansgate area”, that’s a bit like saying the entire western half of the city! Of course if you include everything that is just off a mile long road that totally bisects the city centre the facilities are going to look superior to Picadilly. In reality though Hilton, Deansgate No 1 and Inacity are at the points of an equilateral triangle and are (roughly) equidistant from each other. If anything the facilities provided in Pic station and along Picadilly its self make the proximal facilities far superior. Add to that the transport link on your doorstep, the relative ease of getting to City and the Northern Qtr, and I personally think that this scheme has far more reasons to want to live there than Beetham ever did.

Around the station is also not really rough any more, just busy and eclectic. Beetham had the Deansgate locks crown pouring past, that’s hardly the height of sophistication.

Living a minute from Piccadilly approach, I can confirm that apart from the odd piss head outside Spar, the area around piccadilly train station aint that rough.

Thanks for listening

I think the 'over supply' issue will be very short term. The Government want people to live close together, its far easier to link public transport if people are near where they work and socialise and go to school/college. This is abviously becoming more of an issue with so called global warming. More and more people are living alone (about a third of population is predicted in the future) so high long term demand for flats is very likely. Commuters will be 'encouraged' to move into urban areas with car charging almost a certainty in the future. We have many under utilised schools so expect a potential rationalisation and re structure which will probably also encourage city or big town living. Recent reports have stated how much more environmentally friendly it is to live in big cities, it is also far 'greener' to go to work in an office than work from home particularly in Winter.

PS...we are a long way behind many other countries in high density urban living, so Manny is probably only at the start of the beginning as opposed to the beginning of the end on urbanisation.

I think the 'over supply' issue will be very short term. The Government want people to live close together, its far easier to link public transport if people are near where they work and socialise and go to school/college. This is abviously becoming more of an issue with so called global warming. More and more people are living alone (about a third of population is predicted in the future) so high long term demand for flats is very likely. Commuters will be 'encouraged' to move into urban areas with car charging almost a certainty in the future. We have many under utilised schools so expect a potential rationalisation and re structure which will probably also encourage city or big town living. Recent reports have stated how much more environmentally friendly it is to live in big cities, it is also far 'greener' to go to work in an office than work from home particularly in Winter.

When you're in your late teens or twenties you can think like you do, as most, but not all, city centre apartments appeal to the young single or young couples without children. Who is going to want to bring up 2 kids on the 44th floor of Beetham Tower or somewhere similar? You would go out of your mind (talking from experience here) if you didn't have a bit of outside space to escape to.

It all sounds very 'environmentally friendly', as you put it, to all live close together, but you get to a stage in your life, at about the age of 35 for me, when you need to escape to the country & commute. If we had fast, clean and efficient rapid transit systems radiating out from our big cities, that transport commuters in from outlying towns & villages, there is no need for us to all live on top of each other - Germany manages it, why can't we??

Sorry but you keep talking about “the Deansgate area”, that’s a bit like saying the entire western half of the city! Of course if you include everything that is just off a mile long road that totally bisects the city centre the facilities are going to look superior to Picadilly. In reality though Hilton, Deansgate No 1 and Inacity are at the points of an equilateral triangle and are (roughly) equidistant from each other. If anything the facilities provided in Pic station and along Picadilly its self make the proximal facilities far superior. Add to that the transport link on your doorstep, the relative ease of getting to City and the Northern Qtr, and I personally think that this scheme has far more reasons to want to live there than Beetham ever did.

Around the station is also not really rough any more, just busy and eclectic. Beetham had the Deansgate locks crown pouring past, that’s hardly the height of sophistication.

Tell that to the middle classes in their BMW's and Mercedes. It's what sounds good when they go to the wine bars. To live on Deansgate in their trendy state of the art apartment blocks is cool. To live around the Piccadilly area isn't. The prices in an area are a good guide. Deansgate has the trendy boutiques, jewellers, etc etc. All the private banking is based their. Everything for the middle classes is in one place at Deansgate. Their is nothing in the Piccadilly area for them. The Piccadilly area has long been seen as the working class hang out. That's not a put down by the way!

When you're in your late teens or twenties you can think like you do, as most, but not all, city centre apartments appeal to the young single or young couples without children. Who is going to want to bring up 2 kids on the 44th floor of Beetham Tower or somewhere similar? You would go out of your mind (talking from experience here) if you didn't have a bit of outside space to escape to.

It all sounds very 'environmentally friendly', as you put it, to all live close together, but you get to a stage in your life, at about the age of 35 for me, when you need to escape to the country & commute. If we had fast, clean and efficient rapid transit systems radiating out from our big cities, that transport commuters in from outlying towns & villages, there is no need for us to all live on top of each other - Germany manages it, why can't we??

Yes, i know what you mean. I'm 35 next month and i live 3/4 mile out, yet it has crossed my mind. Hopefully with the new transport changes and taxing people off the road (not always a good thing), things may change.

PS...we are a long way behind many other countries in high density urban living, so Manny is probably only at the start of the beginning as opposed to the beginning of the end on urbanisation.

It always amazes me how other countries make developments and state of the art public transport seem so simple. Why is Britain such a pain in the arse to get anything done?

And for anyone who read my dismal piece about a vicious downward spiral read this:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=a6VK2CRqd7bo&refer=home

It took Bloomberg a week or so to catch up with me (maybe they've been reading my recent posts) but it's almost verbatim what I said.

Tell that to the middle classes in their BMW's and Mercedes. It's what sounds good when they go to the wine bars. To live on Deansgate in their trendy state of the art apartment blocks is cool. To live around the Piccadilly area isn't. The prices in an area are a good guide. Deansgate has the trendy boutiques, jewellers, etc etc. All the private banking is based their. Everything for the middle classes is in one place at Deansgate. Their is nothing in the Piccadilly area for them. The Piccadilly area has long been seen as the working class hang out. That's not a put down by the way!All I can say to that is you have a very odd view of “cool”. I think you are also massively misunderstanding the demographic that makes up a lot of people living in the city centre. What really does class have to do with it anyway? Young and professional doesn’t mean middle class and German saloon. If anything Piccadilly is far closer to the urban cool parts of Manchester than the odd stuffy/scally mix of Deansgate.

By the way you can multiple quote using the plus button next to the quote one, if you dont know.

All I can say to that is you have a very odd view of “cool”. I think you are also massively misunderstanding the demographic that makes up a lot of people living in the city centre. What really does class have to do with it anyway? Young and professional doesn’t mean middle class and German saloon. If anything Piccadilly is far closer to the urban cool parts of Manchester than the odd stuffy/scally mix of Deansgate.

By the way you can multiple quote using the plus button next to the quote one, if you dont know.

You never seem to read fully what people say before posting.

1. It is not my definition of cool.

2. What does class have to do with it. Britain is class capital of the world. We invented it!! I mix with a lot of wealthy people around the city centre and none of them would be seen living in the Northern Quarter. It's considered too low rent. Common to put it another way. It's not my view, it's the view of the middle classes who most of which drive German prestige cars and live in prestige developments.

No I do read it, you just dont seem to have understood what I am saying to you. You are presuming the kind of person, money and taste that buys or rents a flat in Manchester; I am saying you are getting it very wrong and creating a non-existant situation where there is no one who would want to live in Eastgate.

No I do read it, you just dont seem to have understood what I am saying to you. You are presuming the kind of person, money and taste that buys or rents a flat in Manchester; I am saying you are getting it very wrong and creating a non-existant situation where there is no one who would want to live in Eastgate.

No not at all. There will be lots of people who want to live in Eastgate. It will be a very smart tower. I just don't think the area will appeal the same as it would have, had it been built on Deansgate. I wanted this to get built to try to attract some prestige to this side of town as i have a big soft spot for Piccadilly, especially City Tower. I thought Eastgate and Albany would redress some balance to the 'prestige' developments, so the M1 side of town would have some, rather than all of them in the Deansgate M3 area. I am looking forward to the finished article. I hope the retail area gets some 'unique' shops and not crappy Starbucks and the like. What do you think about the retail side?

skyhigh, how can you have a soft spot for piccadily yet you didn't know that it had a marks and spencer? it's had a marks and spencer for many years....

skyhigh, how can you have a soft spot for piccadily yet you didn't know that it had a marks and spencer? it's had a marks and spencer for many years....

Because i don't walk past that end. I don't shop at Piccadilly, i go to St Anns Sq. To be honest, i hate shopping and i blank out most stores. I walk past Piccadilly at the Portland St side. Fair point though.

I hope the retail area gets some 'unique' shops and not crappy Starbucks and the like. What do you think about the retail side?Frankly I cant see there being very much retail at all, until behind the station towards the east redevelops anything there is going to have rather minimal footfall. Bars/Restaurants and the like to serve the office workers, hotel guests and residents seems more likely to me, but one or two rather than an explosion of new businesses. The sort of places that can survive on word of mouth like the NQ equivalents.

I hear either the developer or architect will be doing an Ian Simpson with a giant apartment at the top of Eastgate.

Its the developer, he talked about it at the CUBE towers talks.

The architects are Australian so even being next to the station wouldn’t help with their commute.

ha ha ha this tower is a joke.

I remember being all fresh and in my first year of university sat in my current girlfriends room and being elated at the approval of this tower

time has passed i have since had 2 other girlfriends and completed a law degree an we are still no closer to seing anything being done!

jus finished today. god im shagged

Hehe, well done hopo! I doubt it'll become our version of Arena Central, i reckon and hope the delay will be akin to GN Tower, where it came to life as soon as we thought it dead in the water!

Its the developer, he talked about it at the CUBE towers talks.

The architects are Australian so even being next to the station wouldn’t help with their commute.

I would have though he would want the opposite of a penthouse. Being from 'down under'!!

Hehe, well done hopo! I doubt it'll become our version of Arena Central, i reckon and hope the delay will be akin to GN Tower, where it came to life as soon as we thought it dead in the water!

With a property crash looming, I hope you're right Choggers ..... if they don't start this within the next 12 months I think you can forget about it for another 10 years, unfortunately.

this property crash has been "looming" for years now.

This from an Irish property site...prob been there a long time..

http://propertypeople.ie/uploads/t_p121.jpg

http://propertypeople.ie/asp/propertyList.asp?c=6

would someone Please contact Mary Larkin or basil O Mahony for full details :D

Please contact Mary or Basil 061-461016 for full brochure..dont forget the irish code 1st

This may have been pointed out before, but it alarms me that the inacity website now appears to be defunct.

http://www.inacitytower.com/

this property crash has been "looming" for years now.

I know, & the media have probably helped talk us in to it ..... along with the Bank of England of course!!

I just hope the developers of this tower have the 'guts' to see it through to completion very soon, because if this one doesn't happen, it will put the brakes on other big developments in the major core cities in England, including Birmingham, Liverpool & Leeds.

This may have been pointed out before, but it alarms me that the inacity website now appears to be defunct.

http://www.inacitytower.com/

Any ideas how long it's been like that? I mean, could they be doing a redesign or is that it then?

Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 16-May-2007.
Record expires on 03-May-2007.
Record created on 03-May-2005.

are the details of the DNS name.

i.e. someone did something to the record on the 16th May.

Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 16-May-2007.
Record expires on 03-May-2007.
Record created on 03-May-2005.

are the details of the DNS name.

i.e. someone did something to the record on the 16th May.

Maybe it's been withdrawn. On the other hand, it's still listed on the Woods Bagot (architect) website, about the only hope left it seems. Who knows.

Any ideas how long it's been like that? I mean, could they be doing a redesign or is that it then?

Try www.inacitytower.co.uk :)

Try www.inacitytower.co.uk :)

Now then now then, that is clever. Back to where we were then.

Try www.inacitytower.co.uk :)

Is there any more info on this site, or is the 30 second 'stick' animation it?!

Is there any more info on this site, or is the 30 second 'stick' animation it?!

Bearing in mind the Origin website, i wouldn't get carried away with the website until it's under construction.

Bearing in mind the Origin website, i wouldn't get carried away with the website until it's under construction.

Agree ...... when an expensive looking well animated website appears, I'd then start getting excited.

It's a lot of bullshit, Eastgate. 3 years and what? Piss and wind.

It's a lot of bullshit, Eastgate. 3 years and what? Piss and wind.

LOL Yeah, it is dragging like a soldier with his foot shot off.

My question is, why aren't the doom merchants being as vociferous about Greengate, Albany/Crown, Chapel Wharf, even 1 Hardman. Why is it particularly "ridiculous" that Eastgate/Inacity hasnt started when the similarly sized equally publicised equivalents havent either? They have all been floating around for a similar length of time, and a couple of those look on far shakier ground; so whats the difference?

I thought all these major schemes for Manchester were a dead cert ..... what is the hold up with them...... getting developers on board, demand or a combination of a few factors?!

Until Eastgate's cancellation is reported in either PW, AJ, the MEN or SSC, :lol: I won't believe it has been cancelled.

My question is, why aren't the doom merchants being as vociferous about Greengate, Albany/Crown, Chapel Wharf, even 1 Hardman. Why is it particularly "ridiculous" that Eastgate/Inacity hasnt started when the similarly sized equally publicised equivalents havent either? They have all been floating around for a similar length of time, and a couple of those look on far shakier ground; so whats the difference?
They're just not exciting enough for me to doom merchant over!

I hope this tower goes up, for the sake of the pride in our regional cities. However, I can see this turning out to be Manchester's Arena Central. Hope to goodness I'm wrong cos I love this design and what it stands for. Pride and progression in our cities.

Subliving.

My question is, why aren't the doom merchants being as vociferous about Greengate, Albany/Crown, Chapel Wharf, even 1 Hardman. Why is it particularly "ridiculous" that Eastgate/Inacity hasnt started when the similarly sized equally publicised equivalents havent either? They have all been floating around for a similar length of time, and a couple of those look on far shakier ground; so whats the difference?

Because, from reading this forum, the two big towers that people at one time seemed confident of getting built were Albany and Eastgate. The others were, as far as I understood it, always farther from reality. I joined this forum just before Xmas 2005 and everyone expected these two to get started in 2006. For sure!

Ok. I really shouldn't but... There have been issues. They are all sorted now. The wheels are moving again. Now don't start with the questions that'll compromise my humble career(!), ...this'll all be diggers and cranes before you know it. :)

Ok. I really shouldn't but... There have been issues. They are all sorted now. The wheels are moving again. Now don't start with the questions that'll compromise my humble career(!), ...this'll all be diggers and cranes before you know it. :)

Thanks b4mmy. :)

I'm withdrawing my nomination for the mod job. It's yours. Cough! (as long as you keep on giving us juciy titbits)

Your forum reputation now hinges on this single post, b4mmy! :p

Nothing wrong with controversy, it get's people talking. After all, look at the wierdo Paris Hilton.

Thanks b4mmy. :)

erm...

Hey! My bloody post count has lost 60 odd posts! WTF did they go?

Never mind Eastgate starting, I've just realized that I've just past 5000 posts.

http://bestanimations.com/Holidays/Fireworks/Fireworks-02-june.gif http://bestanimations.com/Holidays/Fireworks/Fireworks-01-june.gif

Ok. I really shouldn't but... There have been issues.
If Inacity have issues they should fit in quite well with us lot! :lol:

Merepark's website still says construction is due to start second quarter '07. There has been no publicity to suggest otherwise. I don't understand all the scepticism.

Merepark's website still says construction is due to start second quarter '07. There has been no publicity to suggest otherwise. I don't understand all the scepticism.


It's down to the recent heatwave Sleepy.

Merepark's website still says construction is due to start second quarter '07. There has been no publicity to suggest otherwise. I don't understand all the scepticism.

I'm not going to tell you what it is, but the clue is in what the website used to say, but doesn't say anymore. Right that's yer lot!

Have they actually got a hotel operator to sign up?

B4mmy - post something about cheese if this is the case!

erm... well there's a lot more to it than that...

http://www.boarshead.com/images/recipes/32

erm... well there's a lot more to it than that...

http://www.boarshead.com/images/recipes/32

Your going off topic b4mmy. (Just practicing) :lol:

Well B4mmy certainly won my nomination for mod by making me smile broadly at the same thread twice in one day!

Cheers once again for sticking your neck out with info b4mmy, very good of you to do so when the conversation about the scheme has got so frustratingly negative. Its just a shame some people on here don’t pay more attention to those with real information to impart and not just idle speculation.

Can you just put more cheese pictures up everytime their is good news! Great code Chorlton lol

http://www.boarshead.com/images/recipes/32

Can you just put more cheese pictures up everytime their is good news! Great code Chorlton lol

Wheres the cheese?!

Cheers once again for sticking your neck out with info b4mmy, very good of you to do so when the conversation about the scheme has got so frustratingly negative. Its just a shame some people on here don’t pay more attention to those with real information to impart and not just idle speculation.

Can you just put more cheese pictures up everytime their is good news! Great code Chorlton lol

What information? This project has been virtually silent except for the usual rubbish they say to the press. It's well known, if you want the real facts, you never speak to the chiefs of the company or the sales team. You speak to the ordinary guys who work for them. It's actually difficult to make an informed comment on a project that's been a plan only with no action. Maybe we should shelve this thread until something actually happens either way. Then you can't complain at people not having 'contacts' and making 'uniformed' views.

Wheres the cheese?!

On the skewer on the red pot! :)

Its CHICKAN!

It's a fondue you uncultured ninnies. The cheese is in the pot. Melted.

What do they teach them in schools these days?

What information? This project has been virtually silent except for the usual rubbish they say to the press. It's well known, if you want the real facts, you never speak to the chiefs of the company or the sales team. You speak to the ordinary guys who work for them. It's actually difficult to make an informed comment on a project that's been a plan only with no action. Maybe we should shelve this thread until something actually happens either way. Then you can't complain at people not having 'contacts' and making 'uniformed' views.

'...a plan only with no action.' ...a shit load of stuff has been happening on this since planning went through, honestly. As I also stated a few posts back, there have been some issues now dealt with.

Whatever, I think this thread will soon be shelved for several reasons.

1 = It will never be called Eastgate (and never was), or the Inacity Tower....

and

2 = The thread is full of moaning and scepticism which is a shame considering the impact the project will have on the city... far far beyond the impact of Beetham/Hilton.

Mark my humble words.

Now, is this happening or not? ;)

It's well known, if you want the real facts, you never speak to the chiefs of the company or the sales team. You speak to the ordinary guys who work for them.Well by that logic you should listen to ever word b4mmy says. I think you need to do some back tracking through the threads to see how valid his information is.

Im curious what your field of work is, you seem to have an angle on things that is unique on this forum. Im sure you will try and take offence to that, but it is a genuine question.

I for one have never doubted this project, espcially after seeing your man(his name escapes me)who has put his life, reputation and money into this project utter those immortal words at Cube.

"it will get built". (you could see the confidence and determination etched all over his face)

1 = It will never be called Eastgate (and never was), or the Inacity Tower....



Funnily enough, http://www.inacitytower.co.uk/ is down

It will never be called Eastgate (and never was), or the Inacity Tower....So where did the name Eastgate come from? I just remember it always being called that, and then the website called it Inacity. So was it the MEN, an old development for the site, was around here historically called Eastgate, or was it just a name someone on here tagged it with; it must have come from somewhere!

So where did the name Eastgate come from? I just remember it always being called that, and then the website called it Inacity. So was it the MEN, an old development for the site, was around here historically called Eastgate, or was it just a name someone on here tagged it with; it must have come from somewhere!

I don't know. I have been working on the job for 4 or more years and never heard it called Eastgate. There will be some public information released soon, and then we should get the title of the thread changed.

B4mmy - how much does it cost to get this far then?

Presumably there have been a fair number of people working on this project for quite some time, and it must cost a fair bit.

Is it like the rail industry where up to 25% of the total cost of the project can be taken up by the project management / consultants side of things?

In planning apps of this size you have companies involved from Planning Consultants, to Eco, M&E, Traffic, down to VIA and of course Architect, plus others... what does a guy in the industry cost... anywhere from £500 to £1,500+ per day... how many in the team... xx or more... how long.... a year to get going, 6 months intensive, x years in detail... and then there is the delivery of the project. I'd hate to guess...

Mmmm, so both inacity websites are now down. Is this a bad sign or are they planning a media assault with a new angle and name to keep the project fresh as they are still planning to go ahead? Only time will tell!!

'...a plan only with no action.' ...a shit load of stuff has been happening on this since planning went through, honestly. As I also stated a few posts back, there have been some issues now dealt with.

Whatever, I think this thread will soon be shelved for several reasons.

1 = It will never be called Eastgate (and never was), or the Inacity Tower....

and

2 = The thread is full of moaning and scepticism which is a shame considering the impact the project will have on the city... far far beyond the impact of Beetham/Hilton.

Mark my humble words.

Now, is this happening or not? ;)

With delays when actual or just the impression, you always get scepticism. We just have to wait and see. Waiting is so boring though!!

The MTV generation, wanting everything here and now - with an attention span of 3mins.

Look at how long major projects take in this country - 30 years and counting for the Rochdale via Oldham tram line - be patient, it will come good eventually.

The MTV generation, wanting everything here and now - with an attention span of 3mins.

Look at how long major projects take in this country - 30 years and counting for the Rochdale via Oldham tram line - be patient, it will come good eventually.

Maybe we should feed it viagra!

Piccadilly Tower is a bit boring.

Mmmm, so both inacity websites are now down. Is this a bad sign or are they planning a media assault with a new angle and name to keep the project fresh as they are still planning to go ahead? Only time will tell!!

Well the purveyor of cheese recently mentioned that the tower would neither be called Inacity or Eastgate. So they have prob shut down the inacity site and have a new fancy one with the new name all ready. Anyone fancy doing a google search on likely names and see what they come up with:)

the purveyor of cheese
Now that is funny

More cheese please!

I think its going to be called "The Space Elevator" I can feel it in someone’s waters. Would be handy living close to the moon and the station like.

Maybe it will be called 'pipe dream'?? Just joking!!

http://www.mva.org/media(1190,1033)/cheese_tower%2C_chr_hansen.jpg

Isnt the old British Rail building above the station called Piccadilly Tower?

Loads of cheese from b4mmy = great news i believe!!!

Isnt the old British Rail building above the station called Piccadilly Tower?

It's generally referred to as the "Tower Block" (by those who work there) but, yes, it's official name is Piccadilly Tower.

It's generally referred to as the "Tower Block" (by those who work there) but, yes, it's official name is Piccadilly Tower.

You would have thought someone would have checked that wouldnt you? :nuts:

Ducie Street Tower? Is that the name for Inacity now?

http://www.merepark.co.uk/commercial/to_let/hotel/piccadilly_tower/index.html

Its still sizzlin' its that hot off the press. Brochure requested!

Loving the ground level renders b4mmy. The link to the second one isn't working though.

What a dumb thing to do. Is this really the re-brand or a half way house?

Even if the Network rail building wasn’t called it already I know a lot of people (including those in the architectural world) who somewhat understandably call Sunley/City tower Piccadilly tower. Is reasonably automatic if you don’t know the real name/s.

So I would guess that this is really going to go the way of Beetham and be named after the Hotel in the end. Sheraton tower cheese mod? Or whomever it has ended up being.

After Longfords hints about Picadilly tower i spent ages googling it with no luck whatsover.

It's double c in Piccadilly don't forget! Hehe!

I work in the NR 'Piccadilly Tower' although there is now some debate about whether it is actually called 'Piccadilly Tower', there is a school of though that it might just be 'Tower Block' (yes, it's ace here in my office, we have some great discussions. You don't have to be a twat to work here etc.....).

There's a sign over the door that I walk through every day and I can't remember what it says. I might go and have a look. I might not as well.

It's double c in Piccadilly don't forget! Hehe!

:tongue3:

Searches for piccadilly come up with the NR one. Oh and 111 Piccadilly is also called Rodwell tower.

Isnt the old British Rail building above the station called Piccadilly Tower?

It was always called Tower Block and as far as I know still is.

Ok. I think I understand.

The change on the Merepark website and the disappearance of the 'Inacity Tower' website is due to either

1. Inacity selling their stake in this project to Merepark (or another party) or

2. Inacity (an M2 Developments / Merepark joint venutre company) have been bought out in their entirety and has now been subsumed into Merepark.

Do I win?

http://passion4architecture.wordpress.com/2006/01/09/piccadilly-tower-manchester/

B4mmy's blog that is.

It was always called Tower Block and as far as I know still is.

Sign above the entrace door says "Piccadilly Tower"

Oh god. How unimaginative can some people get?

About as inspiring as calling the Blackpool rollercoaster the [Pepsi Max] Big One.

Why not rebrand this one the [Manchester] Big One and have done with it? :no:

Sign above the entrace door says "Piccadilly Tower"

"Piccadilly Tower"! What a load of rebranding bollocks that is! :bash:

It's a joke innit?

Come to think of it, in about 7 years time there will be SO MANY "Piccadilly Towers" scattered around the city centre in the vicinity of the train station that it will be a job trying to tell them all apart.

I believe there are rumours that Sarah Tower on Dale Street will be renamed "Piccadilly Tower" as well, hot on the heels of 111 Piccadilly (nee Rodwell House) being renamed the same, and also the Albany Crown Tower on Aytoun Street being renamed "Piccadilly Tower, Albany" once it too is built.

We'll end up a city full of clone buildings all called the same thing!!

Fuck it, whilst we're at it, why shouldn't we go the whole hog then?

Beetham / Hilton could be renamed "Piccadilly Tower, Deansgate"

CIS Building could be renamed "Piccadilly Tower, North East"

The resuscitated scheme for a 600ft Vector Arena Tower could be given the soubriquet "Piccadilly Tower, Victoria Station"

Portland Tower could be painted bright pink instead of yellow and renamed "Piccadilly Portland Tower"

....and of course City Tower [nee Sunley Building] could be renamed in honour of the local people and given the new spelling "Citeh Towoh".


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a257/MartianGray/citeh1.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a257/MartianGray/citeh2.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a257/MartianGray/citeh3.jpg

New thread for this one is here:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=485776