Got to start re-starting the bigger threads now.

Collection of the main info posted in the last thread:


Eastgate Tower
Approved
Heights 60 floors/188m. 17 floors/55m.
Usage Residential/Retail/Hotel
Notes New proposal, rumoured for some time. Consists of 60 storey tower on a site occupied by a car park on Store Street, close to Piccadilly Station. Also a smaller 17 storey tower, podium, 750 underground car spaces and bridge to station.Will contain 220 bedroom hotel and 700 apartments, plus retail at base, cost is £220 million. Planning application APPROVED in March 2005

Architects: http://www.woodsbagot.co.uk/
Official Site: http://www.inacitytower.co.uk/

City Centre Ward 074143/FO/2004/C3 04/01/2005 Ducie Street Piccadilly City Demolition of existing structures and development of a mixed use scheme including a tall building and podium comprised of a 220 bedroom hotel, fitness and conference facilities and 430 residential apartments; a medium rise element with 267 residential apartments and associated car parking; a public multi storey car park; retail, food and drink, financial and professional services, assembly and leisure, non-residential institutions, business and marketing suite (sui generis) units (including the following Use Classes A1, A2, A3, B1, D1 and D2); access road and open spaces; a bridge link to the railway station; and associated works

Article in the MEN yesterday and on Manchesteronline!

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http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/news/s/139/139799_city_on_the_up.html
City on the up
Jill Burdett


THIS is what Manchester's skyline will look like in just a few years.
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Plans for a fifth new skyscraper to be built in the city mean that downtown Manchester could soon resemble downtown Manhattan.

The latest tower - 60 storeys of glass next to Piccadilly station - is the landmark centrepiece of a £220m plan to transform the area around the station approach.

Known as Eastgate Manchester, it will be 617 ft tall (188m). As our mocked-up picture shows, it will join other new developments changing the city's skyline.

Work is already under way on the 47-storey, 515ft (157m) Hilton Tower by Beetham at the end of Deansgate; the GN Tower by George Wimpey City on Peter Street, which will be 23 storeys, 236ft (72m) high; and the 16-storey, 279ft (85m) Civil Justice Centre in the Spinningfields complex off Deansgate.

There are also plans for the Britain's tallest residential tower on the Greengate site just over the river border in Salford, which at 60 storeys and 660ft (201m) would just beat the Eastgate tower.

Peel Holdings want to build a skyscraper on land at Salford Quays and there are several more high-rise buildings in the pipeline.

Eastgate will have a new 250-bed hotel and 700 apartments, plus shops, bars and restaurants, with new public spaces and terraces and walkways along the Ashton Canal basin.

The tower will house the hotel, which will have a sky bar on the 16th floor and about 40 storeys of residential apartments above.

Manchester council chief executive Howard Bernstein said: "It is an exciting project".

EASTGATE MANCHESTER - £220M REGENERATION PLANS UNVEILED FOR PICCADILLY

Inacity - one of the regions leading mixed-use developers has lodged a detailed planning application with Manchester City Council for the comprehensive £220m re-development of a four-acre site adjacent to Piccadilly Station.

The proposed scheme, which is wholly privately funded, will transform the under-utilised area of land between Ducie Street, Jutland Street and Store Street into a vibrant development comprising a flagship four or five star hotel, leisure space, retail units, residential apartments and over 400 public car parking spaces, plus a further 300 spaces totalling some 1,025,000 sq ft (95,000 sq. m) in its entirety.

The centerpiece of the modern development, designed by International Architects Woods Bagot, is a significant landmark structure incorporating the 250-bedroom hotel. The striking glass building will be integral to the scheme and negotiations are currently underway to determine which leading brand operator will occupy the space. DTZ are advising Inacity and have shortlisted four international operators, one of whom has already detailed an offer in writing to establish a high quality hotel in this prime location by Piccadilly Station.

The proposals submitted also include a number of substantial additions to the public realm including the creation of an active leisure and retail frontage to the Ashton Canal basin and new public squares and pedestrian routes between Ducie Street and Store Street. Canal side terraces and the addition of a link bridge to the station will also form part of the regeneration project.

Inacity has held extensive pre-planning negotiations with Manchester City Council including detailed consultations with CABE (The Commission for Architecture and the Built Environment) who are in support of the scheme considering Inacity’s proposals to present “a brave and adventurous new vision for this part of Manchester.”

Presentations to other parties including English Heritage and local residents have also been co-ordinated with the help of Manchester City Council. Chief Executive of Manchester City Council, Sir Howard Bernstein, says: “This is an exciting scheme and we are pleased that it will now become subject to the planning process. It has the potential to provide a further boost to the continuing regeneration of the City Centre, and is a sign of the private sector's continued confidence in Manchester and the North West."

Inacity is heavily committed to the region with substantial regeneration projects in both Manchester and Liverpool City Centres. Inacity currently have under construction the largest mixed-use scheme by one developer in Manchester City Centre at the Quadrangle incorporating 70,000 sq. ft of retail and leisure uses, car parking and 228 apartments.


Plans have been submitted for the construction of a 60 storey, 95000 square metre tower for Inacity of Manchester near to Piccadilly Station, Manchester. The £220 million development is to feature a 220 bedroom hotel, residential,retail and leisure space and was designed by Drivers Jones and Woods Bagot. Also on board are DTZ Debenham Thorpe and Flack and Kurtz. A decision is due mid 2005 by Manchester City Council.


Hotel/Apartments/Commercial
Site Address: Ducie Street, Jutland Street & Store Street, M1 2
Start Date: Autumn, 2005
Contract Period: 36 Months (approx.)
Project Value (Estimated): £220,000,000



CLIENT Inacity
12 Oxford Road, Manchester, M1 5QA
Tel: 0161 228 0822 Fax: Not Available
Contact: Mr Ian Jones , Director



PLANS BY Drivers Jonas
60 Fountain Street, Manchester, Manchester, M2 2FE
Tel: 0161 247 7373 Fax: 0161 236 8420
Contact: Ms Michelle Brown , Planning Consultant



ARCHITECT Woods Bagot
Clove Building 4 Maguire Street, London, SE1 2NQ
Tel: 020 7089 5600 Fax: 020 7089 5699
email: info@woodsbagot.co.uk
Contact: Mr Stephen Reinke , Partner/Architect



QUANTITY SURVEYORS DTZ Debenham Thorpe
1 Marsden Street, Manchester, M2 1HW
Tel: 0161 236 9595 Fax: 0161 228 7097
Contact: Mr Ken Bishop , Partner



MECH. & ELEC. CONSUL Flack & Kurtz
Buchannan House 24-30 Holborn, London, EC1N 2HS
Tel: 020 7314 4444 Fax: 020 7314 4440
email: mail@fk-inc.co.uk
Contact: Mr Richard James , Mechanical Director



Description:

Scheme comprises of demolition and construction of a 220 bed hotel, fitness and conference facilities, 697 apartments, multi storey car park, retail, food and drink, financial and professional services, assembly and leisure, non residential institutions, business and marketing suite, access, road, open spaces, bridge link to railway station. The scheme will also include site services, infrastructure, enabling works, landscaping and service engineering.



An application (ref: 074143/FO/2004/C3) for Detailed Planning permission was submitted to Manchester C.C. on 14th January 2005.


Stages:

Planning: Detailed Planning Submitted
Contract: Pre-Tender


Other Info :
Storeys: 60
Development Type: Conversion
Floor Area (sq.m.): 95000
Site Area (ha):
Planning Authority: Manchester Application No. 074143/FO/2004/C3

Transforming East Manchester: Inacity tower planning approved
29/03/2005

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In an exciting move for the development of East Manchester, Manchester City Council has granted planning permission for a £220m re-development of a four acre site adjacent to Piccadilly Station. The wholly privately funded scheme by Inacity, one of the region's leading mixed use developers, will see the transformation of the area between Ducie Street, Jutland Street and Store Street. Comprising a flagship four or five star hotel, leisure space retail units, residential apartments and over 400 public car parking spaces, the 1,025,000 sq ft development will revitalize this under used brownfield land.

The centerpiece of the modern development, designed by International Architects Woods Bagot, will dramatically transform Manchester's skyline. A striking glass tower which will be one of Europe's tallest residential buildings is integral to the scheme and will house the hotel and many apartments. Negotiations are currently underway to determine which leading brand operator will occupy the space.

The development will also see significant improvements to public realm within the area including the creation of an active leisure and retail frontage to the Ashton Canal basin and new public squares and pedestrian routes between Ducie Street and Store Street. Canal side terraces and the addition of a link bridge to the station will also form part of the regeneration project.

The granting of planning permission follows extensive pre-planning negotiations with Manchester City Council and detailed consultations with CABE (The Commission for Architecture and the Built Environment) which offered its support to the scheme considering Inacity's proposals to present 'a brave and adventurous new vision for this part of Manchester.'

The planning stages also involved presentations to other parties including English Heritage and local residents and have been co-ordinated with the help of Manchester City Council and supported by Chief Executive of Manchester City Council, Sir Howard Bernstein.

Commenting on the recent announcement he says: "The granting of planning permission is another step forwards for these exciting proposals, and we look forward to working with the developers as they secure the commitments necessary to make it happen."

Bob Ross, director of Inacity, adds 'We are thrilled with the decision to grant the Inacity tower scheme planning permission, allowing us the opportunity to breathe life into a much forgotten part of Manchester.'

Inacity is heavily committed to the region with substantial regeneration projects in both Manchester and Liverpool City Centres. Inacity currently have under construction the largest mixed-use scheme by one developer in Manchester City Centre at the Quadrangle incorporating 70,000 sq. ft of retail and leisure uses, car parking and 228 apartments.

The company also recently showcased Eastgate, Manchester at MIPIM, the prestigious international real estate forum held annually in Cannes ensuring a high profile presence for the city at this gathering of the world's foremost property developers and influencers.

CABE Comments

This scheme undoubtedly presents a new vision for this part of Manchester. It is in a key location adjacent to Piccadilly Station, at the gateway to Eastgate and the Sports City. In overall regeneration terms, the proposal ticks all the right boxes – location, mixed use, permeability, open spaces – all of which we support.

We support the principle of building a tower of this height in this location, and we believe the plan form made up of three ‘slipped’ parallel elements produces an appropriate, simple, elegant form. We feel that the diagram of the tower could still be developed further, to give it more clarity on plan (particularly the relationship between the corridors and the internal corners) and to express the three elements at the plaza and street levels. This could help improve intelligibility at plaza level, which we feel is the least successful aspect of the tower design; the podium plan bears no relation to the tower diagram and we think it would help if there were a stronger relationship between the overall form of the tower and the entry points. The residential entrance, for example, feels indirect and unresolved.

We also reiterate our concern over the uses in the central element of the tower, and feel that the mix between vertical circulation and accommodation (on the ends and, higher up, at the sides of the block) is problematic, both in terms of architectural clarity and the impact the differing uses will have on the elevation; we believe that this aspect should be reconsidered. Although we acknowledge that some work has been done since the last presentation to illustrate the tower, and that work is ongoing, we still do not believe that its visual and material impact has been fully explored; certainly we get little sense of what the tower will really look like. The view studies presented so far are somewhat idealistic; what impact will the difference between the vertical circulation core and the apartments have? We do not believe they will be indistinguishable, as the visualisations suggest.

The idea of the is ‘pop out’ windows is an attractive one, in terms both of their aesthetic and environmental properties, but they are expensive. The aesthetics of the tower are strongly dependent on this element and we think it is essential that they are not value engineered out at a later stage.

We fully support the idea of linking Piccadilly Station to Store Street, but do not think the right solution has yet been found. The proposed route is tortuous, and too internal to be successful; people do not naturally want to go inside a building to go outside, and we would question whether it is really desirable to funnel the event crowds through the tower. We also believe that there should be a clearer, more intuitive route from the station to the main plaza – at present pedestrians have two choices, either round the hotel, or down the tower steps, then up the grand steps; we think that neither is acceptable.

The status of the land between the site and Gateway House clearly is important and has a huge impact on the scheme. We are aware that this area is outside the developer’s control, but the proposal must work equally well if, or when, the western site boundary line can be dealt with more satisfactorily. We would urge that all is done to engage with Gateway House and the rail authorities to ensure that the site becomes fully integrated into the city at the west end; unless this happens, the site is likely to remain the isolated podium it is today.

The revisions to the residential courtyard are a great improvement, and we give our support to the principles of the residential development. We think that the diagram works well – the communal entrances are clearly marked, the corridors, though relatively long, have natural light and the flats are well planned. We have some concerns about the elevational treatment, and feel that more work needs to be done in that area. The elevations (of both the residential block and the tower) do not reflect the different requirements of orientation, and we do not believe that environmental matters have been given enough consideration. We note that the north point is incorrectly marked on the drawings.

We support the principle of having a lighter glass structure over the brick base, but feel that the treatment of the brick plinth would benefit from a more consistent architectural approach. The current design incorporates flat arches, brick panels (on Jutland Street) and balustrade cut backs; we feel that too many ideas are being incorporated, and that a singular, simpler, approach, one that maybe works with the grand steps and base of the tower would be more successful. We think a similar rigour needs to be applied to the treatment of the glass façade, particularly in relation to the base of the cladding – sometimes the cladding hangs freely, sometimes on straight columns, sometimes on sloping columns, sometimes the glass comes down to the ground. Overall, the project would benefit from a clearer attitude towards materials and detail.

We support the principle of the raised communal residential garden but feel that the current landscape proposal is a bit too fussy, and might make the space difficult to use; we would recommend that a calmer approach is taken. Whilst we understand that overlooking in the courtyard area might be thought of as a problem, and that the design team want to have aesthetic control the shading devices, we do not think that fixed screens are an appropriate solution.

In conclusion, we support the principles of the scheme, and feel that is has every chance of being a high quality development, but we believe that certain aspects need further attention. We are, however, confident that the design team have the skills to resolve these issues, and we are happy to let the local authority assess whether our concerns have been resolved


The site(photo by Crush)
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Where did that last image come from?

its been posted b4 you just missed it.

i really like the first render (at the top of the page); not so sure on the other 2 above^ :S.

Hope it ends up looking like it does in the first render!

In most big cities the train station is usually the worst part of town but Manchester has now got the opportunity to do the exact opposite. If all the plans are approved then its gonna look mint!

That last rendering (which I have seen before) makes me wonder are we going for a glow in the dark tower? lol.. (just kiddin).. although it would be scary to imagine the biggest tower of manc bein illuminous, it'd be visable from everywhere.. be able point out manc on a summers night due to some big glowing block..imagine the moths mind :S

News snippet,,and some other manchester developments ive not seen,including a couple for the Project Unity scheme

http://www.skmconsulting.com/pagetemplates/content/popup.cfm?id=2723

News snippet,,and some other manchester developments ive not seen,including a couple for the Project Unity scheme

http://www.skmconsulting.com/pagetemplates/content/popup.cfm?id=2723

Are you talking about the John Dalton ones or have I missed something? If so it's not project Unity as it's Manchester Met. The building is next to the Quardrangle, the low rise aspect of it has just had the landscaping outside done and looks quite good in parts.

I've found another render:

http://www.driversjonas.com/?doc=13456

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Fantastic, well done KITR. Looks very good.

thankyou :)

That view wow...So exciting...

Excellent, Kidz.

I like it.

area of advice

Residential and mixed-use development, comprehensive redevelopment and regeneration

details

Drivers Jonas has successfully gained planning permission on behalf of Inacity Limited for the development of the Inacity Tower - a mixed-use redevelopment scheme on land to the rear of Piccadilly Station, at Ducie Street/Store Street.The scheme includes a 57-storey tower comprising a 220 bedroom hotel, fitness and conference facilities and 430 residential apartments, alongside a medium rise element with 267 residential apartments and associated car parking; a public multi-storey car park; ground floor commercial uses, a bridge link to Piccadilly Station and substantial new areas of open space.The application was supported by a full Environmental Statement, with Drivers Jonas co-ordinating the planning application submission and preparation of the accompanying Tall Building Statement.

our role

Advising and co-ordinating submission of planning application including supporting information and Tall Building Statement.Monitored progress of the application through to successful determination and issue of the decision notice.



http://www.driversjonas.com/img.aspx?CID=526744&LangID=1

That looks great. I could picture that in the middle of New York.

Captured from the Inactiytower (http://www.inacitytower.co.uk/) website showing a birds eye view.

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The two blocks at the front are the Ducie St apartments that are already there.

The three blocks to the rear form the entirety of the development at 58, 17 and 6 storeys.

Interesting that they are defining ground floor at Ducie St level rather than the lower Store Street level. So you could call it 58 or 60 storeys depending on what street you're standing on or have I misunderstood something?

I wonder if they'll build the lower rise blocks first before commencing on the taller tower. Even if they do, the 17 storey block will be by far and away the tallest and most imposing building yet built in Piccadilly Basin which is a poor record given the area's location. Still, progress is progress and its good to see this scale and quality of development has finally reached this much maligned part of the city centre.

Fook........... What a bitch it is

Manchester is truly becoming a world city :)

To think this el' be twice the size of sunley :O Quite astonishing...

Whats more, no-one in england can rival us atm, an im loving every minute of it...Bileducts uplifting post has enlightened me to another spritual level, loving that post...

will this start the real boom?

Excellent kitr,great find,,,once this fucker starts, the whole of piccadilly will change so fast,,,,excellent bring it on :)

Whats more, no-one in england can rival us atm, an im loving every minute of it...Bileducts uplifting post has enlightened me to another spritual level, loving that post...
Where?

Actually i'll nip in to the planning office at the town hall tomorrow and ask when they think this will start, and see if i can get a few things photocopied.

I fukin love this tower

Beautiful tower, when is it due to start?

Also whats this about Greengate - 201m? that would be amazing.

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The 201m is the old design, the latest design looks like 2 council blocks on a 10 storey podium that are a similar height to the CIS.

Liking the latest rendoid earlier in the thread, very nice.

Interesting that they are defining ground floor at Ducie St level rather than the lower Store Street level. So you could call it 58 or 60 storeys depending on what street you're standing on or have I misunderstood something?



I thought it was 57 from Ducie Street and 58 from Store Street.

And holy shite that render is bloody stunning. Wow.

Fantastic renders! I look forward to the results of highrisers visit to the planning office :)

manc guy - which post from Bileduct are you referring to?
Casually took a stroll to find it but could not locate it - sending me nuts now.
Out.

calm down dear...its a commercial...

I was reffering to the post which you can locate on the New JRB thread ( cant be arsed typing it) top 2nd page...It mellows towards the end :)

I think you're reading too much into this guys... you're mistakenly thinking that the Civic Society thinks like a skyscraper fan... they may not even have thought about what a 'tall building' is, they're a civic society, so to them tall could mean 15 stories. And when they talk about Manchester, they may mean the whole of Greater Manchester, they may just mean the city centre. I imagine that they're consultees on all large applications, but they probably won't get to comment on schemes much before they're submitted for planning. It's not like this is an architect or a consultant, who often talk about 'the pipeline'. The society are probably just referring to schemes already or about ot be submitted for planning.

The article is also slightly misguided as Manchester already has a UDP that will undoubtedly (assuming it was prepared right) have a policy on tall buildings. In fact I've seen Manchester's policy for locating tall buildings being discussed for several years now, so I was under the impression there'd been plenty of talk about it.

But, of course, I think it's obvious there are a good number of towers in the pipeline for Manchester... the director at Drivers Jonas (agents for Beetham Tower) said they were working on 10 towers earlier in the year, so the fact that there are more on the way isn't really news... is it?

Fantastic renders! I look forward to the results of highrisers visit to the planning office :)
Could'nt make today Accy, but im going in to town tomorrow, i'll see what i can do

Mancguy, Brittania, not Bileduct.

oops sry mum...

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maybe all those little industrial units will be knocked down to make way for new developments like eastgate, it has the potential to become a great quarter of the city.

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I can see a 200m tower being built behind Rail House on the bottom right here. ;)
http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/manchester/photos/dc20.jpg

it'd be awesome for people living in New islington, city centre on their door step. It would also extend the city out to sport city a bit more. I think if the council wanted to do this they'd have to get rid of that retail park, dunno what it's called, on the end of store street.

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the red is potential scraper sites, the blue is sites that need to be destroyed to make way for modern developments:

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Well when Eastgate etc start going up the land value around should sky rocket. So sites such as that retail park wont be able to refuse large money offers from certain companies and developers.

KITR one of your scraper sites is currently being developed as a multi story car park

Yup that middle red bit is right opposite my appartment! Although only part of it will be a multi-storey car park, and Linda's Pantry will remain!!

yeh i noticed that today, good good.

as long as they dont kill the Jolly Angler boozer like they did with the Whitehouse.

Anyone heard anymore on this tower recently? have there been any more renders produced? i would love to see a render from distance and also a plan of the surrounding area and what will be built alongside the tower.

anyone know when groundworrks will start????

Surely we can see groundwork beginning before the end of the year? I suppose even if beetham tops out before this starts, I just really want this to begin at the same time as Albany (which won't really happen as the Albany site surely will take a good while longer to clear??)..It'll just be awesome seeing them both rise together.

Also, that last render posted (which I love!) must be the only time I've seen a tower marketed with a black, thunderous sky?! Usually its all 'lardy dar, summers day with a harmless tower amongst the dandelions.. yet this seems give a totally different message like rampant weather with towering dont-give-a-fuck skyscraper! different tactics, think it shows how Manc views its skyscrapers now, not humble.. but dominant, lol

I think the demolition for the Eastgate site will be more trickier than the Albany site for the reason that Eastgate is on two levels if you know what i mean,,,Store St is lower than Ducie St

Any murmurwrongs on this?


Sinclair Knight Merz has completed a major Transport Assessment and Environmental Statement to support the planning application for a proposed development adjacent to Piccadilly Railway Station in the heart of Manchester city centre.

The proposals include a 60-floor tower and a medium rise village style development incorporating 700 apartments, a 220-room hotel, retail and leisure space at plaza level, and 750 car parking spaces.

The Transport Assessment included the evaluation of public transport, pedestrian and cyclist accessibility as well as a major traffic impact study. The environmental impacts assessed covered traffic generation and associated noise and vibration, pedestrian amenity and road safety, accidents, driver delay, severance and visual impact.

When constructed, the tower will be the highest residential structure in the U.K. and a design landmark for Manchester. The next stage of our work is to prepare a major Green Travel Plan for the developer to capitalise on the excellent sustainable transport opportunities afforded by the site location.

For more information, please contact:
Nigel Robson, Development Planning Manager


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That sounds to me like a positive transport assessment then, otherwise I doubt they'd still be talking about construction with such certainty.

Just a thought, if Carillion are the developers for this tower and Crown , i dont think we'll see a start on any of them until Beetham is topped out (sept) they must have about 5 or 6 big developments on the go in Central Manchester at the moment

Not developers, they would be contractors. Inacity are the developers. Who has mentioned Carillion though?

If Carillion did get the contract for Eastgate, I doubt it would be delayed because they've got other projects going. They aren't going to need very many workers on site to put up some hoardings, then bulldoze the viaduct, which will take a few weeks or so.

i meant the contractor's , stupid me

recent eastgate business posted by choogmook:

Inacity Eastgate Tower!
(Go to Products >> Interactive >> Project 1)
or (Go to Products >> Tall Buildings >> Project 1)

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http://www.virtual-planit.com/images/tallBuildings/duciestreet_1.gif
http://www.virtual-planit.com/images/interactive_main.jpg
http://www.virtual-planit.com/images/popUp_images/ducie-cdrom_2.jpg
http://www.virtual-planit.com/images/popUp_images/ducie-cdrom_1.jpg
http://www.virtual-planit.com/images/popUp_images/ducie-cdrom_3.jpg


Must get hands on CD Rom..........

Great. Those renders get rid of the slight concerns about the cladding. Tis gonna be great.

hehe - look at 111 piccadilly on that 1st pic! this is gonna be a monster :)

dont suppose there has been any news on when groundworks are likely to start etc?....I just cant wait for this and crown to get under way!

Are Carillion definitely building this one then? I'd heard a rumour that it wasn't going to be one of their jobs....

wow, looks awesome, how about that one of Beetham and Eastgate, mmmm.

There's a video too. Go to products, tall buildings, it's the middle arrow thing beneath the numbers 1-9:
http://www.virtual-planit.com

This is going to be awesome, i cant wait for this baby to start,,and 3 Piccadilly Place is going to be big bitch, from that 1st render
ey bundy who have you heard who is going to build it then?

Ey chris that video is fucking excellent,

Did you see the Chancery Place one to 808 state theme tune gonna be a beauty or what :)

So are we to be allowed to get excited over Chancery?? We're not just getting a car park? With the slogan of 'An opportunity not to be missed' it certainly sounds it.. Its a great video but I disagree with one point..

'Who wouldn't want to work here?'
I wouldn't!!!............Never tear meself away from the windows, lol.. The view looks like one of the best of the city, (the 2nd City..as it said (can't argue with it ;)))

So I hope they start this very soon, before end of the year infact..
To think, the amount of now 'midrises' going up, (which at one time we'd of classed as highrise, tee hee) will give such a density to the city in the places that need it, horrah

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Don't know if this image has been posted yet?

I'm 100% sure there will be changes to Eastgate! Cabe and the City Council had reservations about certain areas of the design, notably the base!

Taken from Property Week!

Nice cladding :)

http://www.property-week.co.uk/Pictures/web/b/r/w/12_Ducie_Street_amended_CMYK.jpg

/\ that's the model you can find on oxford road.

hehe - look at 111 piccadilly on that 1st pic! this is gonna be a monster :)

Just what I was thinking. It's gonna be heeewwwjjj

Relevant part of an article posted by Sleepyone:
Meanwhile, Inacity is getting on with its plans to build Manchester’s tallest tower: a 60-storey development with a luxury hotel, 430 flats and another 280 flats in buildings alongside. The £200m tower was designed by Woods Bagot and includes a £7m public area that will be surrounded with bars and restaurants. Work has started on site and construction of the 1.2m sq ft (111,480 sq m) scheme is expected to start in January.

It says work has started on site, can anyone confirm this? If true then the 'Jan 2006' start should be proper foundation work.

If prep/demolition work has started then thats excellent :)

I didn't notice anything today, but I will have a proper look when I'm back at Gateway on Monday armed with a camera.

just thinking ,that tunnel (on Store St)that runs under this site does anyone know where it goes too?

It might be nothing but, you know the steep hill at the side of the site between Store St and Ducie St, today there were workmen re-doing the road markings,, is this part of the preparation around the site ?

Could be. They might be closing off half of that little steep road.

I drive up that little steep road almost everyday! yikes,, not good for my suspension on the cobbely bits! There is another crane at piccadilly place site, they are really moving on that site!!

Excellent news if this has started - Manchester steadily over taking most European cities in the skyscraper stakes.

Im not sure it has started yet. That may be a few months off yet - don't want to jump the gun, or count those chickens (etc).

We are yet to hear news of a hotel operator being signed up which is surely a pre-requesite for this tower starting on site. Shouldn't be long though.

whilst on marriots website i noticed they were thinking of setting up another hotel in manchester, dunno if they meant in town. Do marriott do towers?

^ Not sure, but they do 5 stars - I've just bagged the deal of the decade on such a hotel in Berlin. :)
Anyone here been?
Looking forward to the trip I must say.

Berlin ist sehr schoen! You will like it a lot! ;)

A must is a trip to the top of the Fernseherturm. (TV tower to you and me). It's been a few years since I went but it was only about 4 euros.

Also, if the weather's good, a picnic in the Tiergarten then a stroll down Unter den Linden (Berlin equivalent of the Champs Elysees) to the Brandenburg Gate, and of course you have to see the wall.

Unfortunately I didn't have much time for the more cultural things (there are hundreds of museums and art galleries etc) because I was having a jolly old piss-up for a reunion with a few friends. Must say the nightlife/cafe culture was buzzing. I was upposed to go for 3 days but ended up staying for 6!

I can't remember the name of the area my friend's apartment was in, but it near to Boxhagener Strasse. That whole area's really funky and like a very central suburb. It's somewhere in between Warschauer Strasse and Frankfurter Tor stations (think one is S-Bahn and one is U-Bahn) I'd recommend a chilled out night in bars around there to anyone.

You got me thinking about it, so I had a look around, and look what I found: A rather moody pic of Warschauer Strasse station by our very own Aiden O'Rourke!!

Look here (http://www.aidan.co.uk/photo971.htm)

Totally off topic. Sorry.

whilst on marriots website i noticed they were thinking of setting up another hotel in manchester, dunno if they meant in town. Do marriott do towers?

Yes they do towers alright.

They need to start now!! lol, I want to see this start groundwork before the year is out (Albany too!!!) They best both rise at similiar times, it will give a great feel to the place.. I also decided that Beetham looks too lonely on some pics!! It needs chums.

Hey - cheers Priscella.
Much appreciated.

Yes - start t'this tower.

I have spotted activity on the eastgate site!

Birds have flown away from the site along with squirrels and other rodents packing their bags, signalling a sign of things to come!

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So this tower is definitely going to be built then!

With Beetham and now this Manchester will have 2 600 foot towers or thereabouts.

Is it likely the the Crown Building... around 400 feet will be built as well? How about the tiered 'quads' in Salford.

I imagine if Manchester has all these built plus Canopus and 1 Hardman Square it will possibly have one of the best skylines in Europe!

I would wager that Norman Foster, having graduated from Manchester University in architecture before shinning off to Yale would rather like to finish his career with a rather stunning tower in his home city. What do you guys think?

With New York replacing The Twin Towers with a 1700 foot tower and several buildings topping 1000ft in London it's time for Manchester to plan a 1000ft tower somewhere too.

So this tower is definitely going to be built then!

With Beetham and now this Manchester will have 2 600 foot towers or thereabouts.

Is it likely the the Crown Building... around 400 feet will be built as well? How about the tiered 'quads' in Salford.

I imagine if Manchester has all these built plus Canopus and 1 Hardman Square it will possibly have one of the best skylines in Europe!

I would wager that Norman Foster, having graduated from Manchester University in architecture before shinning off to Yale would rather like to finish his career with a rather stunning tower in his home city. What do you guys think?

The Crown Building has a good as chance as any. The developers intend to clear the site towards the end of this year and begin early 2006.

The 'quads' in Salford are a possibility but not much info is out about them, they could just be one of a number of potential final designs.

Canopus won't be built witht that design.

With New York replacing The Twin Towers with a 1700 foot tower and several buildings topping 1000ft in London it's time for Manchester to plan a 1000ft tower somewhere too.


No no no no.. NO! Manchester nor any other city (ok too late for London, its already planning to) as yet need 1000 footers, I mean why?! We need to build up to these things, Frankly if Eastgate was the tallest we get now for another 10 years then it suits me, We need to build some 100m towers to fill up the barrier between the street level lowrises and tall towers.. Manc has loads of 50,60m towers done and planned, which will be great, we just need more 80-140m towers now to give some step up and boost the cluster, then.. and only then, should we be aiming for 1000 footers (and even then, I'm still unsure.. I'd say we just need some 800s meself)

I dont think you would compain if some did plan a 1000 footer.

Probably not, no.. But a 1000ft for us is just too soon... A 1000ft obs tower, yeh.. that'd be super ;)

I would prefer something like One Bryant Park then a observation tower.

A 1000fter at this point would completely ruin the Manchester skyline. Look how ridiculous Tapei 101 looks on the Tapei skyline, despite the other buildings still being very tall.

Thats what I thought, yet I couldnt type Tapei, was typing Taipei or Tiapai and allsorts of shit, so to save embarrassment I didn't bother, lol..

But I totally agree, look at Tapei pics and its like, tall building and low-rises.. yet they're not.. but the illusion is all too real...

Taipei.

Oooops.... sry ;)

I dont see a problem. If the council were that happy to approve a 1000fter, they'd be the same type of people to approve many many more 100mish stuff. It would give birth to a messy explosion of glass and concrete. So there.

I'd rather we make the city great all over before we start pulling our kecks down and asking people to admire our balls.

lol

I'd rather we make the city great all over before we start pulling our kecks down and asking people to admire our balls.

Grow 'em before you show 'em?

Heres the original,,,i think we'll hear sopmething about this soon


http://www.virtual-planit.com/images/tallBuildings/tallbuildings_main.jpg

love it....

I keep looking out at the site every morning waiting for something to start....

Superb,Seems like it has Simspon-esque stripes but more subtle from the render of the base and podium thing.

I think this will be Manchester's finest modern building, and for me it outshines Beetham. It makes such a statement yet it is so elegant, and is something that any city in the UK would be proud of - even London! :)

It also seems to nod in deference to its predecessor over to the right of the first pic of Highriser's (I forget what it is called) - it looks to be inspired by, and exceeds, that older tower.

Sheer, and beautiful. :)

Do we have any dates for start of construction / end off construction?

How long has it taken for Beetham to grow from a hole in the ground to what we have now? About 18months?

Given that the floor plates for this one look significantly larger, and there are an extra 10 floors or so, is this going to take upwards off 2 years to grow from nothing to full height?

Even after that the inside would need to be completed, this is going to be a very long project.

January 2006 start.

I would say 6 weeks for demolition and clearance.

6-8 months of foundation work.

Then the 3 buildings will rise.

has anyone checked the site recently?

caw - is that start date a guess or a published date?

I walked past today KITR!

Still a very busy car park!

caw - is that start date a guess or a published date?

That date was published in an article which is probably further back in this thread somewhere.

Cheers CAW

From post 69:

''Meanwhile, Inacity is getting on with its plans to build Manchester’s tallest tower: a 60-storey development with a luxury hotel, 430 flats and another 280 flats in buildings alongside. The £200m tower was designed by Woods Bagot and includes a £7m public area that will be surrounded with bars and restaurants. Work has started on site and construction of the 1.2m sq ft (111,480 sq m) scheme is expected to start in January.''

I feel a warm glow of satisfaction inside. I can't wait until these big rises are completed, it will totally transform the skyline and make towers like Sunley and Portland look like mid-rises ;)

Actually, I am a bit disappointed with the design of this tower - it's just another huge rectangular slab, okay then, two huge rectangular slabs of slightly differing heights kissing together around an intermediate core - there's no real imagination shown in the profile or shape is there? In fact - shapewise - it reminds me of the Embarcadero skyscrapers in San Francisco.

Is this all Manchester is going to show for its efforts in tall skyscraper design? - I mean all three of its current 40-storey plus schemes are rectangular slabs. We haven't seen any seriously innovative shaped towers yet. At least Brum's Arena Central made its debut in 1998 with a fantastic US-inspired concept for a tower but now of course that is doomed to die its inevitable slow death as it isn't going to happen.

Well what would you rather have Martin, fancy-dans that don't turn up, or 60 storey skyscrapers that become reality? I agree the renders look a bit like erm....chocolate-wafer shaped :) Laminated slabs seem to be the flavour of the month at the moment. Personally I think it will look great because you will see a different shape from whatever part of town you're viewing it from, and it will be a show-stopper at night just like the Hilton/Beetham.

Maybe Martin would prefer Alsop's teddy bear scraper proposal ;)

the origional 1hs was absolutely amazing, shame about that

this will never go ahead,the economy is on a down turn

this will never go ahead,the economy is on a down turn
Complete rubbish. You say the economy is on a downturn, despite the fact that the budget deficit has just dropped to a three-year low thanks to a surge in consumer spending!

Haha. When I saw that you'd just posted on this thread bob, I absolutely knew that your post would say ''this won't go ahead''

Well thankfully you appear to know bugger all about economics! Developers might not sell shoebox size flats in red brick garbage as easily as they did 3 years ago, but there will always be massive demand for high class developments in good locations, like Eastgate. This will be built, and will be a success. End of.

The site of the main tower yesterday.
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/331EastgateTower_pic6.jpg

..and also I don't mind Manchester getting a few towering rectangular skyscrapers to start with. After we have a cluster then we can get on with the fancy designs. The rends make them look very futuristic anyhow. Less concrete more glass.

P.S. this pissing site's slow tonight!!!!

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this will never go ahead,the economy is on a down turn

Save it you optimistic git you'r to full of cheerfulness man.

Maybe Martin would prefer Alsop's teddy bear scraper proposal ;)

Well, as you know, Will Alsop can go and suck your little dong, Accura - everything HE comes up with is puke on stilts. If only HE could imagine what puke on stilts looks like, that is.

;)

It's too bad that Eastgate won't have a public observation area for us... I really hope we can get a proper high public observation area with a restaurant to show off our city to visitors.

the origional 1hs was absolutely amazing, shame about that
What's happened to that? What are the current plans for that site?

What's happened to that? What are the current plans for that site?

Well the fantastic sloped version was dropped (apparently) due to it's microclimate effects, the slope caused some weird wind patterns.

It was redesigned into this:
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/2151HardmanSquare_pic7.jpg

But this has been redesigned again and will be at least 40 floors, possibly as high as 45. Due to be submitted before the end of this year, could start next year.

The first phase of Hardman Square, buildings 3 & 4, are already underway. 3 Hardman is 46m to roof and has 9 floors. That's 5.1m per floor, very high spec. Now, if 1 Hardman is 5.1m per floor and 45 floors....... :eek2:

Bloody hell, that would make it 229.5m tall! That's huge!
At that height I hope Foster comes up with something awesome.

whoops double post

Shit, that's taller than 122 Leadenhall and only 5m shorter than OCS!

Probably won't be that high though. 180m-200m I'd say.

still...

...It was redesigned into this:
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/2151HardmanSquare_pic7.jpg

That's a very good model, don't you think? :runaway: :rofl:

I'm not too keen on this one chaps. Come on Manchester - you have given us better before - make this one better!

I guess it will look better in the flesh though - when's it start?

this will never go ahead,the economy is on a down turn
Ha Ha This is fucking Manchester not Nottingham.

That redesign is crap. NO! WE CAN'T HAVE SOMETHING AS UGLY AS THAT FOR FUCKS SAKES!! :no:

That redesign is crap. NO! WE CAN'T HAVE SOMETHING AS UGLY AS THAT FOR FUCKS SAKES!!

The hell are you on about? And plus its not a redesign... You dur dur....

He's talking about that 1 Hardman Square design, you dur dur Manc Guy.

It IS shit, horrible. But thankfully Martin, that version has been redesigned again and will be 40-45 floors high!

When's Eastgate looking to be starting then?

Has it got PP and all that now?

Has PP, construction to start in Jan.

Cheers nobby :)

Got PP about 6 months ago now!

Got PP about 6 months ago now!

who's gonna be the first to get a picture of the START????

And where are people going to park for that hotel, next to the site?

Well the IVLA multistorey car park will be finished in a few months probably, just down Ducie Street.

Well the IVLA multistorey car park will be finished in a few months probably, just down Ducie Street.

OI, of course. Wonder what NCP sold that land for?? must of been a pissing fortune???

'who's gonna be the first to get a picture of the START????'

I'm hoping to be the first since I am at Gateway House everyday! Will publish any requested photos of eastgate during construction :o)

I'll camp outside the site when the clock strikes 12:00 on December 31st just waiting with my camera :yes:

that version has been redesigned again and will be 40-45 floors high!

how do you know it will be higher? Is it really going to be that big? I cant find any sources that prove that. Or have i missed something?

Ask Jrb, Accura or Neil. They were at the Spinningfields open day and were told this by an Allied London rep, or something.

pic of eastgate site this morning

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Looks like they are getting rid of the rubbish under the car park, before they knock it down?

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Just noticed this thread CAW, but too late!! Glad you closed the other one, cheers...

Oh good... hopefully this means that they are moving it so they can put demolition machines there :cool:

You'd think that they'd put hoardins up, given that it is such a prestigious development and that they've already forked out on taxi advertising.

Woo! Preliminary work! :banana:

KITR: There isn't really anywhere for them to put hoardings right now. They'll stick a few up when they start the demolition and put up a big fence around the site, probably.

Looks like some cheeky fukka as dumped a few fridge's there,,i hope this is prep work , im itching for this to start

Just look at this photo I took last week, in crushes someone has put some different stuff in the skips, and put some blue stuff on the ground! :yes:
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/331EastgateTower_pic6.jpg

Also note the odd tunnel to nowhere.

Maybe its just the cleansing department clearing up fly-tipping?

Would'nt get to excited yet!

Remember, the planning officers and Cabe had serious concerns about the ground level aspects of the Eastgate design and asked Inacity and the architects to address these concerns!!

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ContentResources/527.$plit/C_17_photogallery_243_list_photo_list_photo_item_1_photo.jpg

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ContentResources/581.$plit/C_17_photogallery_243_list_photo_list_photo_item_0_photo.jpg

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Yeah, clearing up fly tipping. But why have they just decided to do it now? ;)

Jrb, they can change the ground level problem areas with a reserved matters application, quick and simple approval process.

Yeah, clearing up fly tipping. But why have they just decided to do it now? ;)

Jrb, they can change the ground level problem areas with a reserved matters application, quick and simple approval process.

At a guess? Becuase its there! :)

I'll contact the cleansing department tomorrow! :lol:

I want to go and investigate that tunnel? It could be one of the 60's cold war tunnels or something? Has anyone been round that building on Back George St, its really creepy!!! :(

I want to go and investigate that tunnel? It could be one of the 60's cold war tunnels or something? Has anyone been round that building on Back George St, its really creepy!!! :( :runaway:

I dont it think they will be cold war tunnels. The cold war tunnels are deep underground.

It appear's Woods Bagot have revamped their website and included Eastgate.

Ducie Street, Manchester

A 60-storey, £200 million tower complex at Ducie Street, Manchester designed by Woods Bagot will breathe new life into the city, following the scheme’s March 2005 approval by Manchester City Council.

At 188 metres tall, the Ducie Street development will be the United Kingdom’s tallest residential building. The tower and two adjoining medium-rise blocks will include 710 apartments, a 220-room five-star international hotel and 80,000 square feet of retail space, restaurants and bars.

The tower is the centrepiece of a five-acre urban regeneration project that includes plazas and public spaces, historic canal frontage, a nine-metre grand stair and a bridge link to Manchester’s Piccadilly Station, which is one of the UK’s busiest transport hubs. Woods Bagot will provide complete urban design and architectural design services for the developer Inacity

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Notice the second, 17 storey block seems to have merged with the 4 storey end block to create what looks like a single midrise block in the overhead image. Wonder if this image is pre or post the CABE review?

Woods Bagot Press release 07/04/2005

UK’s tallest residential building to bring new life to Manchester

Manchester City Council approves Woods Bagots 60-storey, £200 million tower complex at Ducie Street

http://www.woodsbagot.com.au/Images/MediaRoom/inacity.jpg

A 60-storey, £200 million tower complex at Ducie Street, Manchester designed by Woods Bagot will breathe new life into the city, following the scheme’s March 2005 approval by Manchester City Council.

At 188 metres tall, the Ducie Street development will be the United Kingdom’s tallest residential building. The tower and two adjoining medium-rise blocks will include 710 apartments, a 220-room five-star international hotel and 80,000 square feet of retail space, restaurants and bars.

The tower is the centrepiece of a five-acre urban regeneration project that includes plazas and public spaces, historic canal frontage, a nine-metre grand stair and a bridge link to Manchester’s Piccadilly Station, which is one of the UK’s busiest transport hubs. Woods Bagot will provide complete urban design and architectural design services for the developer inacity*.

Rodger Dalling, Woods Bagot Partner said, “This iconic building will help unlock the potential of a growing part of Manchester. The scheme will create bright, modern links between Piccadilly Station, the neighbouring communities and the historic Ashton Canal Basin. The combined commercial and residential presence and open spaces promise to greatly enhance Manchester’s attractions.”

Stephan Reinke, Woods Bagot Partner – Europe and head of the Woods Bagot project design team said, “We believe the slender and eloquent stepped blades of the tower will become a distinct and unique feature of Manchester’s skyline. The urban design captures the vitality and aspirations of this progressive city, and will create a landmark destination of lasting quality."

Planning permission was granted following extensive negotiations with Manchester City Council and detailed consultations with CABE (the Commission for Architecture and the Built Environment).

Woods Bagot will commence the initial commission to finalise the hotel design in the next few weeks, and begin design development and full documentation for the scheme in the third quarter of 2005.

It appear's Woods Bagot have revamped their website and included Eastgate.



http://************/ehdu01.jpg

http://************/ehdqja.jpg

Notice the second, 17 storey block seems to have merged with the 4 storey end block to create what looks like a single midrise block in the overhead image. Wonder if this image is pre or post the CABE review?

At a guess I'd say post! Cabe and to some extent the City Council were not happy about the midrises and wanted them changed! This has probably caused the delay? That rendering of the midrises is totally different to the original renderings I saw in the planning office!

what i don't get with easgate, is that all the renders look different to one another...

heres the original,,,cant wait for this beaut to satart,,,,it says on that artical that a hotel operator will be announced before the end of the year,,Jan start (hopefully)

http://www.virtual-planit.com/images/tallBuildings/tallbuildings_main.jpg

what i don't get with easgate, is that all the renders look different to one another...
That's because they're building more than one Eastgate! There will be at least three, where've you been?

salford :D

You may be right jrb. The CABE review from 2004 and the planning permission both seem to indicate a tower and a midrise rather than 3 different elements.

Meeting Date: 29/07/2004
Location: Manchester
Region: North West
Architects: Woods Bagot Architects
Scheme Description: Proposal for a 53-storey tower and 11-storey residential courtyard scheme on a site near Piccadilly station.



PH/05/13 Ducie Street/Store Street, Piccadilly, City Centre Ward

Consideration was given to a report of the Head of Planning in relation to an application (074143) for the demolition of existing structures and development of a mixed use scheme including a tall building and podium comprised of a 220 bedroom hotel, fitness and conference facilities and 430 residential apartments; a medium rise element with 267 residential apartments and associated car parking; a public multi- storey car park; retail, food and drink, financial and professional services, assembly and leisure, non-residential institutions, business and marketing suite (sui generis) units (including the following uses Classes A1, A2, A3, B1, D1 and D2) access road and open spaces; a bridge link to the railway station, and associated works

Late representations were submitted in respect of the application.

Decision
To unanimously approve the application in accordance with the reasons put forward by the Head of Planning in his report and any late representations and, subject to the conditions proposed by the Head of Planning in his report and any late representations. (Noted that the applicant had unilaterally offered a Section 106 undertaking to pay for upgrading pavements along Sparkle Street to the same quality of Store Street and planting new trees.)

Wonder why then, the scheme's website shows three elements??????

http://www.inacitytower.co.uk/




From the little I can make out from the renders I think I actually prefer the 3 elements stepping down although in detail perhaps the modifications to a secondary, single midrise are justified. Can't tell.

salford :D
?!

The inacity website is nowt but work in progress. Whatever's on there shouldn't be taken as read yet, it was up about 2 months after PP was given. That was yonks ago and the website still hasn't been "opened", so don't worry 'bout a ting, mon. It's a midrise instead of 3 wee buildings.

You may be right jrb. The CABE review from 2004 and the planning permission both seem to indicate a tower and a midrise rather than 3 different elements.







Wonder why then, the scheme's website shows three elements??????

http://www.inacitytower.co.uk/




From the little I can make out from the renders I think I actually prefer the 3 elements stepping down although in detail perhaps the modifications to a secondary, single midrise are justified. Can't tell.


Sleepy! If the design has changed, as we think? It looks like Inacity have decided on a similar shape to their Quadrangle apartments off Oxford Road? A four high-sided apartment block with a centre court yard!

http://************/ehdqja.jpg

http://www.inacity-quadrangle.com/

I think the 3 element one is post cabe review. The above one shows the 11 storey courtyard element as initailly proposed. This appears to have been ammended to the 3 block layout, as shown on the holding website.

All they've done is turn the 17 storey block 90 degrees, chopped a few floors off, and stuck a few floors on the lowrise.

Right! Who wants to see a visual impact assessment of Eastgate, aswell as other stuff!

The barrells pointing at my head and I'm prepared to pull the fucking trigger!

Its all or nothing!

Some fucker on SSC has really pissed me off tonight!

No names! Thats not my style! :)

Go for it matey

Right! Who wants to see a visual impact assessment of Eastgate, aswell as other stuff!

The barrells pointing at my head and I'm prepared to pull the fucking trigger!

Its all or nothing!

Some fucker on SSC has really pissed me off tonight!

No names! Thats not my style! :)


Go on then...

lol, you stick to them guns jrb!
For everyone giving you shit, there's another like me who wants to marry you!!!!
lets see her then.

Alright Frozen, where you've hiding me old tinker ?

http://daytonamagic.com/Jokes%20Items/banggunlg.jpg

1. Eastgate, visual impact assessment!
2. Langley, Regeneration!
3. St Petersfield, commercial!

http://planitedc.com/

Cheers mate, great find you didnt need the gun .

Couple of render there we hav'nt seen before, is that distant one from Pollard St?

Cheers mate, great find you didnt need the gun .

Couple of render there we hav'nt seen before, is that distant one from Pollard St?

A few more new renders to add to the ever growing Eastgate render count!

I used to live on Langley.

And that's why I am well hard.

Langley in Middleton?

Cheers jrb,
there are some pics of the green quarter in there somewhere too, nothing very exciting though.

highriser, I've had a busy couple of weeks handing in my PhD and trying to get various university courses I'm teaching in Leeds up and running, so have not been on much. should have some spare time next week to grab some pics and a beer if it can be fitted in around your new job, I'll pm you about it.

Bim: yes.

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Those renders are from 2003. They show the interconnected courtyard secondary block. Hence I win! the 3 block layout is post cabe review and current. Back of the net.

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ContentResources/581.$plit/C_17_photogallery_243_list_photo_list_photo_item_0_photo.jpg

Great project :cool:

No surprises, but nothing happening at the site yet.
From this morning......

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/pookey1967/eastgate1610.jpg

Is it going to actually be built on that car park?

Yes its being built on there but they will clear the whole area and that will take some time.

Is it going to actually be built on that car park?

As far as I know..

Is it going to actually be built on that car park?

Yeah, after they demolish the thing.

It's an old piece of viaduct, it's massive.

Hopefully Inacity and some new Eastgate renders and models will be on show?

Any one got any spare change for a ticket?

http://www.event-solutions.info/files/HD1036/tallbuildings.pdf

http://www.event-solutions.info/pages/event.asp?ecode=HD1036&content=exhibition

just got back from town!

Got some really juicy stuff! :wink2: :colgate:

I'll get it up loaded as soon as possible!:)

View from Lodon Road!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture084456.jpg

More pics to come!

Thanks jrb! Can't wait!

same here!

Enjoy! :) The best one is yet to come! Hold you breath! :omg:

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you are tha man, JRB.

See not all Bitters are bad. ;)

you are tha man, JRB.

See not all Bitters are bad. ;)

Anything for my Southern friends! :)

It's coming?!

Rendering of Manchester showing Beetham and Eastgate! :)

Now use your imagination, add Crown and all the other proposals! :)

I posted this last year, but the image was very blurred!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture0751010101010101010101010.jpg

excellent work jrb, any news as to when its gonna start?

its a massive project, probably take the best part of 3 years to build

Excellent piccies jrb :) Good work again.

jrb you are a total star, thanks.

Can see for the first time how this proposal works. The canal basin render looks stunning. Nice to see a very strong pedestrian linkage all the way through from Ducie St to Store Street via the "grand" flight of steps. Excellent.

Thats a pretty damn wide pedestrian bridge link they've got there too. Shame they've decided to ignore CABE's advice and decided to funnel it through the podium rather than outside in the public realm. This could work against the developers as its not people's natural instinct to select a through-route that goes inside a building, then out again unless their specific destination was indeed the shops and offices within the podium. We'll see.

All in all, pretty impressed. As always much depends on the quality of the cladding. If its anything like Beetham we'll be fine. Urban design wise it seems to knit a very difficult, fractured area together quite well. Like it. :)

Thanks for the update, jrb :) Eastgate looks more like a solid, stocky structure too the elegance of Beetham. On that note, I'm making Beetham a lady, and Eastgate a man ;)

Thanks jrb. You're a star. Lovely.

But wait a minute. Is it my imagination or does Eastgate look rather like CIS? A bit too much like CIS from certain angles? You, know, I'm not sure I like that.

The quadrangle/courtyard design was a second alternative!

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A thousand of these to you fella - '!'

^ Looking back, that could be misconstrued as a 'minature c*ck to you'.
I meant I'm really grateful !!!!!!...etc!!

It is probably just me but I find Eastgate to be a very ugly building.

No balance and unoriginal. It looks like it was built in America in the 1970's.

Beetham, however, is a proper work of art.

If I had to chose I'd have the Crown tower over Eastgate every time. Regardless of height.

Renders and/or 'artists impressions' rarely do justice to the finished article. That's why I seldom critique a building until it's complete.
There's nothing wrong however in voicing one's opinion in a speculative prediction of what you would expect.
In my advanced prognosis on this particular edifice, I have a 'feeling' that it will not dissapoint. In fact I believe it will be an absolute stunner.

It is probably just me but I find Eastgate to be a very ugly building.

No balance and unoriginal. It looks like it was built in America in the 1970's.

Beetham, however, is a proper work of art.

If I had to chose I'd have the Crown tower over Eastgate every time. Regardless of height.

hmm if your looking for works of art I suggest The Whitworth, so much more contemporary than the City Gallery, if you want a big fuck off skyscraper thats gonna look like a rather large erection on the skyline then Eastgate is the one, its gonna be wicked C-O-G :)

I saw a black cab today , advertising Eastgate apartments with a picture of the tower going right over the roof of the cab , and the same pic on the sides , this baby is getting nearer i can feel it :)

I saw a black cab today , advertising Eastgate apartments with a picture of the tower going right over the roof of the cab , and the same pic on the sides , this baby is getting nearer i can feel it :)
Mint. I'll try and get to town tomorrow and snap a pic of this truly amazing black cab.

has no one ever seen this before? it's been driving around for agges.

has no one ever seen this before? it's been driving around for agges.

Thats right they drove it down to Cannes for the annual MIPIM piss up.

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For those who are interested there is a good comparison skyscrapercity u/c in New York rigth now. Its the Orion Building and there is a very good thread with great pics to see. Its a boxy shape like Eastgate and I think gives a very good idea of what our height will look like from G.L. Oh, and ours will be 13 ft higher. LOL.

cheers for that alexia; its gonna be bloody huge! wish they would hurry yup and get it started!!

just spotted about 4 workmen under the site carpark cleaning more rubbish out.

http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=410603

^^ Holy crap! Still can´t wrap my head aroung something like this towering over Piccadilly. :runaway:

Come on! I want to see this one grow!!

And it's going to be so close to the 131m Albany Tower too... :D

What about the natural ecosystem that will be displaced or destroyed by this supersized monstrosity. Sure, we all go spastic over a few greater crested newts, but where are the tree huggers when it comes to saving literally tens of street whores? Think of our children.

They're setting up shop in my shed. I will include a dutch clock for their shins and a skirting board for brie counting.
Should see similar cloud over as with Orion.

What about the natural ecosystem that will be displaced or destroyed by this supersized monstrosity. Sure, we all go spastic over a few greater crested newts, but where are the tree huggers when it comes to saving literally tens of street whores? Think of our children.

Surely they could set up a misplaced whore fund like the Save the Children or World Wildlife etc...maybe give them their own little colony where they could graze

like it roly, but i think its called amsterdam ;)

Hookers need love too.

lol yeah coz they never got any off daddy..or did they get too much?

anyway Eastgate...yes...tremendous..carry on..

This thread should be renamed the Eastgate/Inactivity Tower Thread 2

haha - you should live in glasgow - we've been waiting for elphinstone place to start for almost a year now. they still haven't knocked down the old buildings yet. still - can't wait to come into picadilly and see this beast looming up in the night sky!!

Nothing much happening on this site either....

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Hold your horses! We aren't due to see any major work until January remember!

I wonder how they'll demolish the bit next to the canal.

Lot's of coming and going's , in and out of those arches on Store St , it's the first time ive seen them open, also all the crap was getting cleared where that tunnel is under the carpark,let's hope demolition start's before Crimbo :)

http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=375626

Eastgate is going to be slightly taller than this! Feck! (ok, a whole 2m!)

If it gets built.. ;)

Of course it will. I feel it in me watters.

why wouldnt it get built?

Taken from this weeks EGI Manchester supplement!

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Excellent stuff. Should be built in that guy's lifetime then... ;)

Cheers for them articles jrb they were very interesting , i have a feeling we are going to hear something about Eastgate very soon, i saw more workmen clearing all the crap on the Store St side of the site on saturday afternoon,i have friends that live further up the road , and they told me that workmen have been going in them arches that front onto Store St all week , time will tell lets hope it starts soon :)

Fingers crossed. Im still not convinced this guy has what it takes to pull it off. Perhaps Manchester's icon will be a half built scraper, Pyongyang style... Though to be honest once its started I'll breate a lot easier. Right now Im not convinced.

One doesn't go into this sort of thing with the risk of not completing a building. If it starts it'll finish. He could be tempted to sell the site and make a few million, but he sounds keen enough on this to stake his reputation in print, so I'd be surprised if it doesn't go ahead now.

any news on what hotel is gonna join the package ?

any news on what hotel is gonna join the package ?

I recall somewhere mention of Sheraton. They were gonna build one next to John Ryalnds on Deansgate, but in the end the RBS building was too lucrative an offer and the Sheraton Hotel was shelved. Whichever group it is they'll do great business right next to Piccadilly Station.