They must be adding about two or three floors a week:
http://www.pinnaclecentre.ca/webcam.html

http://www.pinnaclecentre.ca/images/image.jpg
From that webcam pic, it seems like Pinnacle is now at floor 20, only 20 more to go! :D
And Tower B seems to be nearing ground level. If only 18 Yonge picked up their pace...

too many glass clones I can't keep track. Although it's just another tower, it should fit in well down there. I see two renderings on the site, but on the map it seems as if there are 4 building planned.

holy crap.

regan - you must be new :). This is one, though awfully bland, I like as it is one less hideous parking lot along the waterfront area.

Just another glass box.

I have'nt walked around the Lakeshore & Bay/York area in quite some time. Thanks for the update.
What is being built in this area (Front, Lakeshore, Yonge, Skydome). There's 18 Yonge (1), Pinnacle (4), and ??? (2). Forgot the last one.

lol. It's another glass clone by a Vancouver developer, lol. Nice to see mini-Vancouver taking shape...in its greenest form. :)

I wonder if they build many of these building in green because they wish them to blend to sort of give the appearence of really tall trees....well kinda, well sorta, anyway, you catch what Im trying to say? do they?

I have'nt walked around the Lakeshore & Bay/York area in quite some time. Thanks for the update.
What is being built in this area (Front, Lakeshore, Yonge, Skydome). There's 18 Yonge (1), Pinnacle (4), and ??? (2). Forgot the last one.

Infinity?? over close to the east side of the dome on Bremner they are building the two infinity towers if thats what you meant..

or you might mean the MLSE buildings planned by the ACC, or 18york which i think is an office tower planned, and then there might be one other but i forget...

anyone?

:)

I wonder if they build many of these building in green because they wish them to blend to sort of give the appearence of really tall trees....well kinda, well sorta, anyway, you catch what Im trying to say? do they?

Isn't the green glass simply cheaper to use since it undergoes less refinement and contains more impurities? If not, I stand corrected.

too many glass clones I can't keep track. Although it's just another tower, it should fit in well down there. I see two renderings on the site, but on the map it seems as if there are 4 building planned.

Well the taller building you see is Tower A 40s, Tower B is the shorter building with the crane 30s, there's also two more buildings approved for the site 45 and 40s.

I have'nt walked around the Lakeshore & Bay/York area in quite some time. Thanks for the update.
What is being built in this area (Front, Lakeshore, Yonge, Skydome). There's 18 Yonge (1), Pinnacle (4), and ??? (2). Forgot the last one.

Yeah, there's also Infinty, 2 towers U/C 35 and 16s, the two MLSE condo towers 52 and 48s, Union Plaza 32s, and 18 York 37s. There's also more space for future developments.

It was the Infinity guys, but thanks for mentioning the other ones I forgot. (how the hell did I forget MLSE!?!).
The thing I do regret is that with this area (Eastern Rail Lands) being developed with all these condos, it really supresses future growth for commercial. I know we should'nt leave everything on hold until the commercial market comes back, but this area would have been the ideal place to expand the CBD with super tall commercial.

Nevertheless, still great to see the whole rail lands being developed from Yonge to Bathhurst

OK, here's Infinity, Pinnacle & 18 Yonge:

My window webcam hehehe...

Infinity:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/New-InfinityWC.jpg

18 Yonge West side:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/New-18YongeWC.jpg

18 Yonge East Side

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/New-18YongeII.jpg

Pinnacle from the Rooftop-38th floor:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/New-BothII.jpg

Pinnacle from my solarium, or bedroom:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/New-PinnacleMyWebcam.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/New-PinnacleWCIII.jpg

And, finally ground shots:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/New-PinnacleWCII.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/New-PinnacleWC.jpg

Mix 18 Yonge & Pinnacle :bash: :bash:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/New-.jpg

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Nice update pics there. Oh, and you got a wicked view from your condo.

I cannot imagine how nice your view of the city must be from the rooftop.
Must be killer - super pano making potential.

Thanks for the update.

No kidding, I'm jealous!

Ahh...Istrian, I was always jealous of you view you get from your condo in "The World Trade centre" ;). And too bad that in a few year, all the new development will block your views of downtown.

Good job!

Im not sure about the tower, but it might have a decent streetwall.

I really dislike the cladding

too many glass clones I can't keep track. Although it's just another tower, it should fit in well down there. I see two renderings on the site, but on the map it seems as if there are 4 building planned.

you can never have too many glass clones in my opinion

http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL716/2814177/6594962/100584893.jpg
http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL716/2814177/6594962/100584886.jpg

pics by Urbanphotoguy http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=224508

As much as I'm getting tired of all these glass clones, those picture certainly make me question my opinion. Great shots! Must look great coming in on the gardiner from the west.

As much as the gardiner is an eyesore, with all these buildings being build snug up beside it, it looks pretty eerie winding its way through. Reminds me of Gotham in one of Joel Shumacher's productions.

The Gardiner has become one of the most scenic routes to view Toronto's skyline. It must feel like a cannon or tunnel driving between those buildings on both sides.

The smog is making the city look very muggy and dirty. The pics feel totally urban, especially with the lack of trees.

Would you say more out-of-towners take the Gardiner or the 401 East into Toronto?

Would you say more out-of-towners take the Gardiner or the 401 East into Toronto?
I would say the 401 is more busy with out-of-towners, many people use that to cut through the city to go north and it has a lot more lanes. The Gardiner is mostly used by people coming into the city to work and visit downtown.

I would say the 401 is more busy with out-of-towners, many people use that to cut through the city to go north and it has a lot more lanes. The Gardiner is mostly used by people coming into the city to work and visit downtown.

I would agree, as the signs where the gardiner and the 403 split by the ford plant only says Toronto via the 403 and 401, and doesn't say toronto via gardiner, at least not to my recollection

you can never have too many glass clones in my opinion

http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL716/2814177/6594962/100584893.jpg
http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL716/2814177/6594962/100584886.jpg

pics by Urbanphotoguy http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=224508

TEAR DOWN THE GARDINER!
WHAT DO WE WANT?
ACCESS TO RABBBA FINE FOODS!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
NOW!

As soon as you overlook:
1, the railway tracks
2. Mini-Vanvouver being built south of Front and north of the Gardiner, all the way to Fort York, as shown in the picture above
3, the Harbourfront towers , as shown in the picture above
4, Lakeshore Blvd,

then is is clear and obvious that the Gardiner has to go!


Hey, you all know that those picutres alone reveal a skyline worthy of at least a medium sized North Amerian city.

"Hey, you all know that those picutres alone reveal a skyline worthy of at least a medium sized North Amerian city."

I would say that these buildings alone could easily overtake skylines such as Buffalo's. It's really neat that Toronto has secondary skylines all over the city, NYCC, waterfront, Cityplace, Midtown/Yorkville, STC, Etobicoke, and other mini clusters everywhere.

I would say that these buildings alone could easily overtake skylines such as Buffalo's. It's really neat that Toronto has secondary skylines all over the city, NYCC, waterfront, Cityplace, Midtown/Yorkville, STC, Etobicoke, and other mini clusters everywhere.

Yeah, but imagine toronto's skyline and built form if all of those highrise buildings in the secondary areas filled up all of those empty lots downtown instead. Sao Paulo comes to mind.

Although Sao Paulo is neat i love driving through toronto and seeing these clusters of buildings off in the distance riseing into the horizon. Some of the clusters look massive (in height) because they just tower over everything.

Those photos still turn me on. Christ they're fine!

I too enjoy the look of a cluster. However, Toronto has the both of best worlds.
Clusters: waterfont, financial district, Y&B, NYCC etc.
Sea: downtown-Queen to Bloor. What a sea at that!

hey well, i look at those clusters sortof like a future oportunity, they are all growing , and eventually , (the closer ones ) will meet and create pretty much, one HUGE cluster, nvm a sea of highrises, an ocean would be a better comparison to what that will be like...

Ugh...Pinnacle Centre is really tall but it's just one big oppressing slab. I don't think the next phases will be that much better but hopefully the towers will have some imagination to them other than being green glass and pre-cast boxes. :(

Tons of Construction Update pics on Emporis for Pinnacle, topped out and almost fully cladded:

http://www.emporis.com/en/il/pc/?id=183726&aid=19&sro=1&yr=2005&mt=11

It doesn't look bad after all. Just that nobody could have imagined Pinnacle
to be taller than 18 Yonge. 18 Yonge should have been taller
with all that 5 garage storeys and 39 (+ mechanical ??) stories,
whether Pinnacle supposed to be 37...

Aftermath is Pinnacle being visibly taller than 18 Yonge with it's
41 (even 42) floors !!!

:tiasd:

"18 Yonge should have been taller
with all that 5 garage storeys and 39 (+ mechanical ??) stories"

garages have lower floor heights

[QUOTE=
WHAT DO WE WANT?
ACCESS TO RABBBA FINE FOODS!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
NOW!
.[/QUOTE]

That was the best thing I read all day!!! LOL! :cheers:

^you've got to be kidding

(or are completely ignorant of AreBe fanaticism with Rabba)

Its weird I used to work downtown a few years ago at 20 Bay St. (the building with AON sign at top). I remember all those sites were just being used as parking lots, now I work up in woodbridge so I dont come downtown as often but I find it just amazing how all these buildings are rising up so fast. Feels kind of weird because I was down there all the time now I feel out of place when I go down there now.

Is there any chance to see pics of it in the skyline? I can't get a good grasp on how tall it actually is.

Regan

^^Posted by Skybean on the TO Boom Rundown Thread, by Tony-Detriot on SPP

Taken in the summertime, with 18 Yonge also U/C

http://www.downtownmotown.8k.com/tor43.jpg

Pinnacle is crane on the far right, just left of the building with the red top

http://www.downtownmotown.8k.com/torpano.jpg

This goes to show how the Pinnacle towers will have minimal effect on the skyline viewed from the lake.

It's topped out now and I can see the crane coming down shortly, it loofs half decent, the western tower is now starting to rise.

Does anyone know if anything is planned west of 18 Yonge?

^you've got to be kidding

(or are completely ignorant of AreBe fanaticism with Rabba)
I am completely, utterly ignorant of AreBe's Rabba fanaticism...
dare I ask what it entails? :)

Yes!
People want to tear down the Gardiner -many want it done now and see it as a very important issue.
Why would they want to tear down the Gardiner? There must be some reason-- often 'greater access' is raised as an issue. But greater access to what? Lake Ontario? But what about all those condos! And, if the Gardiner, Condos, Lakeshore Blvd. and the railway tracks are all barriers to the lake, the only true benefit of tearing down the Gardiner is that people would have more access to Rabba Fine Foods, and perhaps a few laundromats and dry cleaners (and whatever other business can be found at the base of a condo- Kitchen Table comes to mind.)

LOL...Are Be is quite the piece of work eh...LOL

Heehehee! I'm lovin' it! :cheers:
I think I'm catching his drift...

Yes!
People want to tear down the Gardiner -many want it done now and see it as a very important issue.
Why would they want to tear down the Gardiner? There must be some reason-- often 'greater access' is raised as an issue. But greater access to what? Lake Ontario? But what about all those condos! And, if the Gardiner, Condos, Lakeshore Blvd. and the railway tracks are all barriers to the lake, the only true benefit of tearing down the Gardiner is that people would have more access to Rabba Fine Foods, and perhaps a few laundromats and dry cleaners (and whatever other business can be found at the base of a condo- Kitchen Table comes to mind.)

Your point is well taken. However, you fail to realize just how strong beef samosa cravings can be. I would go one further and suggest that we actually have a subway extension directly to Rabba Fine Foods.

You are right that the Gardiner is by no means the main barrier to the lake. The Lakeshore is much worse. For most of the downtown area, pedestrians can walk underneath the Gardiner - so it's not even technically a barrier -(though it needs serious work to make it more people friendy) but they can't walk underneath the Lakeshore. Unless, of course, they are badgers and can dig tunnels very easily. But if people were badgers, I think it would bring about a whole different set of problems altogether. But that's for another post.

Your point is well taken. However, you fail to realize just how strong beef samosa cravings can be. I would go one further and suggest that we actually have a subway extension directly to Rabba Fine Foods.

You are right that the Gardiner is by no means the main barrier to the lake. The Lakeshore is much worse. For most of the downtown area, pedestrians can walk underneath the Gardiner - so it's not even technically a barrier -(though it needs serious work to make it more people friendy) but they can't walk underneath the Lakeshore. Unless, of course, they are badgers and can dig tunnels very easily. But if people were badgers, I think it would bring about a whole different set of problems altogether. But that's for another post.
Not to mention the fact that if Rabba was forced to pay for the tearing
down of the Gardiner, they would no longer be able to sell flattened
croissants at 3 for a dollar. ;)

Not to mention the fact that if Rabba was forced to pay for the tearing
down of the Gardiner, they would no longer be able to sell flattened
croissants at 3 for a dollar. ;)

True - but a good, fresh croissant when sufficiently flattened becomes somewhat of a soft wafer with its own delicious characteristics. I would gladly pay close to a dollar each for one of those babies. In fact, when re-baked the "croissafers" make one hell of a building material. They could actually repair the Gardiner with them in a landmark reused materials plan that would sure have mayor Miller onside.

True - but a good, fresh croissant when sufficiently flattened becomes somewhat of a soft wafer with its own delicious characteristics. I would gladly pay close to a dollar each for one of those babies. In fact, when re-baked the "croissafers" make one hell of a building material. They could actually repair the Gardiner with them in a landmark reused materials plan that would sure have mayor Miller onside.
My dogs go bananas for one! I wonder how they specially flatten them?
Does one of the staff sit on them while taking a coffee break? I once asked
a manager how they achieved it and he didn't know... ;)

My dogs go bananas for one! I wonder how they specially flatten them?
Does one of the staff sit on them while taking a coffee break? I once asked
a manager how they achieved it and he didn't know... ;)

The manager wouldn't tell you because it's a closely guarded company secret. The flattening process is actually a part of the intricate staff ceremony held each morning. Employees stuff their shirts with the freshly-baked croissants and then all gather in the fruits and vegetables section where they take part in a spirited chest-bumping session, much like what NBA players do before a game when the starting lineups are announced. When all the chest bumping is done, they remove the baked goods from their shirts and package them accordingly. The ceremony is credited for boosting profits by 130 per cent since the program began.

Does anyone know if anything is planned west of 18 Yonge?

I don't think there are currently any plans right now for the site west of 18 Yonge along Bay Street. But it should be for some future condo or office tower.

i heard office,but you never know

city owns the land - probably still plans to a bus terminal with office space/towers above for the site

city owns the land - probably still plans to a bus terminal with office space/towers above for the site

Still? Didn't know there were plans to do this. If you have any more info please share it or direct me to where it has already been talked about.

Read about it at the time the GO terminal was being planned (now built) for the CP Express building (no longer existing)

Actually, I'm not sure the city even bought the land.

The ACC was once suggested/planned as a bus terminal as well

Are condo-podium retailers (;)) from Vancouver like Urban Fare coming over to TO?

to compete with Rabba, Kitchen Table, Saks and Sams? ;)

Dec 8th

In order
18 yonge, Pinnacle and Infinnity
http://freefilehosting.net/file/?id=qtn3kazf

Thanks for the update! :okay:

Looks like all 3 towers have reached full pinnacle (pardon my pun :()

Inifinity looks nice on the west side glass facade but rather dark and gloomy on the east view. Overall it's a pretty ugly building despite the pic making it look nice. IMO all 3 of these towers would look a lot nicer if they weren't so slabby or bulky.

Fresh Pinnacle shots:

... and, by the way: why the data for the Pinnacle is (all ower) still 37 stories,
while became so obvious that it is 41 ?!? ...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/ADDIO%20POLA/Pinnacle.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/ADDIO%20POLA/Pinnacle1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/ADDIO%20POLA/Pinnacle2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/ADDIO%20POLA/Pinnacle3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/ADDIO%20POLA/Pinnacle4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/ADDIO%20POLA/Pinnacle5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/ADDIO%20POLA/Pinnacle6.jpg

Meh...

That's going to be one dense site though with the four pinnacle towers and 18 Yonge.

The colour of the glass is perfect. It seems so different from everything else...

Ahh...poor Istrain. ;)

In a few years the view of the MINT cluster will be blocked by mediocre green condo slabs. :(

Well, that view was before unobstructed, but there was a huge parking lot
and I hate PL, besides, I'm not a NIMBY. No more that view, but I can
still enjoy good part of the CBD cluster !!!

:master: :master: :master: :bow: :bow: :bow: :dunno: :bow: :bow: :bow: :master: :master: :master:


:bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

I'm not even going to comment on these three towers I'm so dissapointed. Nice pics tho.

regan is there anything you like? it seems the only time you post is when you dont like stuff.

Great shots Istrian, you clearly have the best view of Pinnacle Centre...keep us updated. I think this one would look good with a spire.

regan is there anything you like? it seems the only time you post is when you dont like stuff.

Hey, I am a pessimist, I'll admit it...

Here's exaclty what I don't like:

cheap glass & concrete - it seems that the majority of buildings recently are being built exactly the same. That one pic of the three projects being constructed, do those note look near identical to you? Does it not seem like there is no actual care put into the design, but rather the cheapest, simplest, most profitable materials they can find? There are exceptions however, I like 1 King West, RoCP, and Cityplace (still glass and concrete, but atleast more unique than most). These new condos downtown, while good for density, look more suitable for yonge/sheppard, than downtown. A few of these towers here and there is fine, but when every tower looks the same, it's just depressing. We're going to be known as 'the budget city'.

Actually - despite the fact that Pinnacle is known for cheaping out, the design for the Pinnacle Centre is a much cleaner design than many other towers - i.e. HVE III. Note the absence on Pinnacle of spandrel glass hiding concrete columns - the design is more honest - a concrete column is presented as a concrete column and it has been worked into the design.

On HVE III and other towers, it's as if the engineers who place the columns and the architects who design the skin, have not talked to each other.

Hey, I am a pessimist, I'll admit it...

Here's exaclty what I don't like:

cheap glass & concrete - it seems that the majority of buildings recently are being built exactly the same. That one pic of the three projects being constructed, do those note look near identical to you? Does it not seem like there is no actual care put into the design, but rather the cheapest, simplest, most profitable materials they can find? There are exceptions however, I like 1 King West, RoCP, and Cityplace (still glass and concrete, but atleast more unique than most). These new condos downtown, while good for density, look more suitable for yonge/sheppard, than downtown. A few of these towers here and there is fine, but when every tower looks the same, it's just depressing. We're going to be known as 'the budget city'.

As the march of progress continues, less and less time and relative wealth is directed towards buildings. Just think, in medieval France, it used to take hundreds of years to build a cathedral...it took forever, but you cant find attention to detail, and craftsmanship like that anywhere in our plastic world. Its a tradeoff made in order for modernism and industrialization to be possible...we'd rather have it cheap, fast and unoriginal, rather than slow, expensive and one-of-kind. Although this may seem depressing, it is very much descriptive of some of our positive societal values, such as healthcare and social stability. Remember, while these wonderful structures of history were busy being completed, people were dying of serfdom, hunger, disease and war...the trade-off is not without its merits.

As the march of progress continues, less and less time and relative wealth is directed towards buildings. Just think, in medieval France, it used to take hundreds of years to build a cathedral...it took forever, but you cant find attention to detail, and craftsmanship like that anywhere in our plastic world. Its a tradeoff made in order for modernism and industrialization to be possible...we'd rather have it cheap, fast and unoriginal, rather than slow, expensive and one-of-kind. Although this may seem depressing, it is very much descriptive of some of our positive societal values, such as healthcare and social stability. Remember, while these wonderful structures of history were busy being completed, people were dying of serfdom, hunger, disease and war...the trade-off is not without its merits.
Wow well said!!! :cheers:

oh that picture looks so hot!!!

Hey you're totally correct, but what about NYC or Chicago towers from less than 100 years ago. There are plenty of respectable buildings in Toronto built in the last 20 years. The Bank of America tower, although not the greatest, still atleast looks like some thought was put into it. Iknow what you are saying, but in recent history there have been some beauts built without people starving. There should be a throw back to architecture best portrayed in buildings like Union Station, and the old CIBC tower.

This is from the beginning of the week. Sure hope something hides the west side of 18 Yonge soon. It's ugly. :runaway:

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3083/10016661lg.jpg

http://img322.imageshack.us/img322/9118/10016635fu.jpg

http://img322.imageshack.us/img322/3461/10016647ar.jpg

It could be worse, I do like the amount of glass on it, but I will wait until the cladding is finished before making any judgements.

"This is from the beginning of the week. Sure hope something hides the west side of 18 Yonge soon. It's ugly"

The tower a little bland but far from ugly and, yes, I doubt the massive surface parking lot beside the unattractive podium levels will survive another 50 years

the tower itself is not to bad...but they need to outlaw those podiums.

^^I think probably the next phases of 18 Yonge will cover that podium. Since they purposly made it so they can easily connect it to the next phase (so no glass, just cheap wall, kinda like what they did at Pearson for the new phases of T1).

^ exactly. It was left black for a reason and it will help create a continuous streetwall once the second phase is built.

well ok then...still dont like it ;)

No one will see it once the second phase rises.