^^ Seems like people are trying to drive down prices in order to nick cheap apartments. Maybe Kenter and AAA are one and the same???? All there posts are negative...If its so bad and going to get worse why does AAA want to buy???

I have no idea who Kenter is and whether or not to take your comment as a compliment! Just because I may agree more with Kenter then yourself, doesn't make me a the same person... You are doing a same thing as Kenter does but in a different direction... One of you has to be right...

[QUOTE=Paul Dubai;33138060]You have made 3 posts, all of them negative. One post on TGR looking to buy, 2 posts here on the tiarra thread saying that prices are dropping and worse is yet to come.
Yet on both of these threads you have made contact with the owners and made ridiculous offers on their properties. This forum is not supposed to be used to drive down prices by installing fear into the property owners then for you to come along and nick the property for a ridiculously low price.




^^ Seems like people are trying to drive down prices in order to nick cheap apartments. Maybe Kenter and AAA are one and the same???? All there posts are negative...If its so bad and going to get worse why does AAA want to buy???

Maybe AAA want to buy for the same reasons why you want to sell!!!
And for the record, I am NOT AAA....

Paul , this will cheer you up, prices have now gone up to over 2000aed/sq ft, from Gulfnews today;

TGR 2 bed marina/ sea views

3.7 million.

Paul , this will cheer you up, prices have now gone up to over 2000aed/sq ft, from Gulfnews today;

TGR 2 bed marina/ sea views

3.7 million.

See, the credit crunch was'nt so bad....lol

See, the credit crunch was'nt so bad....lol

You won Paul, we have nothing to argue for any more. Good luck!

Cheers Paul,

Do you think the 3 bed is better investment than any f the 2 beds?

Also, how can i get in to see the apartment and views? seen pics on here, so guess its possible?

cheers

2 beds have always been easier to sell and rent. If its purely for investment then go for a 2 bed. As for getting in to have a look, very difficult. I was invited by Trident to have a look at TGR after my last meeting with them. Too early to see how good it will be but nice marble floors and bathrooms, very high (4meter) cielings and a huge pool area more like a hotel than apt block.:banana:

08/March/2009

TGR

http://i41.tinypic.com/miz8rd.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/2yuhkbn.jpg

Does anyone have details on the finishing of the appartments in TGR? Plan to buy 2BR and was surprised -the original TGR contract is couple of pages only, not a SINGLE word on finishing. Never have seen such contracts up to now - all other contracts for Dubai Marina appartments are pretty detailed.
Any idea? Maybe there was something in the initial broshures?

Does anyone have details on the finishing of the appartments in TGR? Plan to buy 2BR and was surprised -the original TGR contract is couple of pages only, not a SINGLE word on finishing. Never have seen such contracts up to now - all other contracts for Dubai Marina appartments are pretty detailed.
Any idea? Maybe there was something in the initial broshures?

All Tridents contracts are the same, 4 pages! see the website for more info.


www.tridentgrandresidence.com

They have started work on KPM building which is next door to the power station.... 4B+G+38 floors+ health club... In addition to another building site next door for another 3-4 years, this building will block some Marina views for 1B type apartments and will also block sun to TGR swimming pool area...
Not a good news...

hi.... having bought and sold TGR units before i'm looking to buy again... anyone know of any good deals? thanks in advance..

They have started work on KPM building which is next door to the power station.... 4B+G+38 floors+ health club... In addition to another building site next door for another 3-4 years, this building will block some Marina views for 1B type apartments and will also block sun to TGR swimming pool area...
Not a good news...
^^
:wtf:
The Pool area at TGR faces the beach /sea!!! How can a building behind it block the sun??? Does JBR block the sun to the beach?? Have another drink Kenter:drunk:

The Pool area at TGR faces the beach /sea!!! How can a building behind it block the sun??? Does JBR block the sun to the beach??

Is the pool for TGR going to be 200 meters away from it?

The sun comes from the Marina side - only late in the afternoon do you get sun on the beach side.

Is the pool for TGR going to be 200 meters away from it?

The sun comes from the Marina side - only late in the afternoon do you get sun on the beach side.

So all the front line properties on the beach side only get late afternoon sun?

^^^^

yes - the sun starts off coming up over Emirates golf course and goes down out over the sea down by Jebel Ali

How much should i be paying for a 04b or a 05b on a decent floor? anyone know of any for sale?

^^^^
Is the pool for TGR going to be 200 meters away from it?

The sun comes from the Marina side - only late in the afternoon do you get sun on the beach side.

So all the front line properties on the beach side only get late afternoon sun?

^^^^

yes - the sun starts off coming up over Emirates golf course and goes down out over the sea down by Jebel Ali

^^
So how is that we get the sun by the pool at the Harbour Hotel and Residence at lunchtime? This shares the same line as TGR too...

So how is that we get the sun by the pool at the Harbour Hotel and Residence at lunchtime? This shares the same line as TGR too...

Dunno - I dont know where the pool is at the Harbour Hotel.

But I'm typing this at 14:15 and can see from my window that the sun is just getting around to the front of TGR - in another 30-45 minutes the sun will be fully on the front.

Dunno - I dont know where the pool is at the Harbour Hotel.

But I'm typing this at 14:15 and can see from my window that the sun is just getting around to the front of TGR - in another 30-45 minutes the sun will be fully on the front.

In front of the building, the same as TGR...

I think this discussion is getting a bit pointless - from this model the pool is not on the beach side of the building at all!

http://tinypic.com/dr3z2h.jpg

It looks to me that the pool is to the North side of building on the podium area - in which case it will get the sun all morning (unless it is blocked by the KPM building) until about 11:00 when it will be shaded by TGR.

Then it should get sun in the very late afternoon when the sun comes round to the front.

^^
:wtf:
The Pool area at TGR faces the beach /sea!!! How can a building behind it block the sun??? Does JBR block the sun to the beach?? Have another drink Kenter:drunk:

Paul, thanks for offering me a drink but you better get your facts right first... The sun doesn't come in from the beach and stays there all day just so it suits you... The swimming pool is going to be surounded by four, repeat four buildings..including TGR building... And they will all have impact on how much sun you will get on the pool.. The KPM was not going to happen at one time, but it obviesly is now and that was the purpose of my msg.. Your state of denial is almost fascinating ..

I think this discussion is getting a bit pointless - from this model the pool is not on the beach side of the building at all!

http://tinypic.com/dr3z2h.jpg

It looks to me that the pool is to the North side of building on the podium area - in which case it will get the sun all morning (unless it is blocked by the KPM building) until about 11:00 when it will be shaded by TGR.

Then it should get sun in the very late afternoon when the sun comes round to the front.

You are spot on, AppleMac... Here it is the latest phote of the KPM site http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=dh4e9j&s=5

try again.... http://i41.tinypic.com/dh4e9j.jpg

^^
All your posts are on this TGR thread and ALL 24 posts are knocking this development. You obviously dont own here so what are your intensions?
Are you trying to drive the prices down further buy negging out the owners that read this thread? Maybe so that you can nick a cheap property here..:dunno:
Why else would you waste your time posting?.... You have some interest in TGR or you would'nt be here. TGR is a fantastic development in a great location. With an indoor pool, huge outdoor pool and beach front location. what more can you ask for. People are going to love living here...:banana:

^^
All your posts are on this TGR thread and ALL 24 posts are knocking this development. You obviously dont own here so what are your intensions?
Are you trying to drive the prices down further buy negging out the owners that read this thread? Maybe so that you can nick a cheap property here..:dunno:
Why else would you waste your time posting?.... You have some interest in TGR or you would'nt be here. TGR is a fantastic development in a great location. With an indoor pool, huge outdoor pool and beach front location. what more can you ask for. People are going to love living here...:banana:

Just trying to get some balance here... I had some properties in TGR and have sold out.. So obviesly I do still have some interest in development.. I am just amased of the people who live in denail of what is happening with the property market in Dubai.. Somehow they think this is a simple one year slow down and then things will get back to normal, like before!!!You have property to sell and that is why your opinion is so different from many.. TGR is NOT a fantastic development... in fact the finishing may not be even the same as Bayside Residence or even Marinascape... As for the "huge pool" have a look at yourself http://i41.tinypic.com/22c3r6.jpg

^^
If you think that TGR is so bad then why did you buy?

^^
If you think that TGR is so bad then why did you buy?

I never said it was bad, it is just not fantastic as you said... I bought them for the same reason as you did and I have sold it at a moderate profit.. Problem with off plans today is that they are NOt selling at all and the finished product may be nothing like original glossy brochures..

Paul, none of the GR units at present is selling at even the OP.Let me tell you why, if the O.P of a 1 bed was between 1.3 to 1.5 M and 2 bed was 1.5 to 2 M depending on the floor. Who is in the right state of mind will now pay these prices? particularly if you are from the UK. 1 bed £300 k and 2 bed £400k.

I never said it was bad, it is just not fantastic as you said... I bought them for the same reason as you did and I have sold it at a moderate profit.. Problem with off plans today is that they are NOt selling at all and the finished product may be nothing like original glossy brochures..

I didn't buy for the same reason as you did, it was never my intention to sell all my units there.

I sold some over the last 2 years and intended to keep the others for rental. I did try to buy 4 units on the 39th floor, make a huge apartment out of them and live there myself but could not get 3907! Anyone have 3907B for sale??? As for units not selling, I have had offers over O.P for my high floor sea view units and have not accepted, and I continue to have interest on my units on a weekly basis.
I still think that TGR will be the best tower in the marina. Its far too early to speculate if it will be better than marina scape or bayside. I have already been to see TGR and had a brief look at the interiors. The bathrooms already look better than M/Scape and bayside. The marble they have used is more like Grosvenor House bathrooms. We shall wait and see..Incidentley, I have not seen any project in the marina that has been as good as the brochures!
They have all needed work to make them a decent standard. At least TGR's location is great!

TGR is a fantastic development in a great location. With an indoor pool, huge outdoor pool and beach front location.

I hope you dont sell with descriptions like that - It's hardly beach-front - there's a ruddy great hotel between it and the beach. :nuts:

Wish I had as much energy as this 2 (no names mentioned) (K&D)
Before they sold :ohno: their motto was prices were going to double next year.

As they both have sold and bag profits last year and want to buy back, desperately talking prices down.

Advise for you both ~ buy before September 09/09/09.:lol:

I hope you dont sell with descriptions like that - It's hardly beach-front - there's a ruddy great hotel between it and the beach. :nuts:
The "Ruddy great hotel" is 15 floors....All my units are above 34th floor. Hotel...What hotel :lol:

The "Ruddy great hotel" is 15 floors....All my units are above 34th floor. Hotel...What hotel :lol:

Hmm, so the criteria for 'beach front' now is that you can see over the top of the building in front. :lol:

Hmm, so the criteria for 'beach front' now is that you can see over the top of the building in front. :lol:

From TGR reception to the beach...about 20-30 seconds....

From TGR reception to the beach...about 20-30 seconds....

who are you? - Usain Bolt? :runaway:

Wish I had as much energy as this 2 (no names mentioned) (K&D)
Before they sold :ohno: their motto was prices were going to double next year.

As they both have sold and bag profits last year and want to buy back, desperately talking prices down.

Advise for you both ~ buy before September 09/09/09.:lol:

Buy before 09/09/09??? you must know something no one else knows and that includes top economists and financial experts in the Middle East who are all prodicting a further correction in the property market throughout 2009 and well into 2010...

My advice to you: Sell now at the best price you can!!

Buy before 09/09/09??? you must know something no one else knows and that includes top economists and financial experts in the Middle East who are all prodicting a further correction in the property market throughout 2009 and well into 2010...

My advice to you: Sell now at the best price you can!!
:ohno: Sell during a down turn....thats great advice.
As Del Boy would say, "WOT A PLONKER"

:ohno: Sell during a down turn....thats great advice.
As Del Boy would say, "WOT A PLONKER"

If I remember right, you are trying to sell your one as we speak, right? Would that make you a plonker? Get what ever you can now or you may lose it all... Alternativly you can dream of the market coming back as it once was!!!

Looking for 2BR in TGR. high floor (above 20), sea facing. Pay 2 mio. Fast deal. Anyone wants to sell?

If I remember right, you are trying to sell your one as we speak, right? Would that make you a plonker? Get what ever you can now or you may lose it all... Alternativly you can dream of the market coming back as it once was!!!

Why may I loose it all? Is Dubai finished then???Do you know something that the rest of the world does not??? Do you want to buy a 2 bed on a high floor???lol

Why may I loose it all? Is Dubai finished then???Do you know something that the rest of the world does not??? Do you want to buy a 2 bed on a high floor???lol

There is a reasonable chance that TGR may never be finished... Banks are not lending because they do not bealive off plan projects are safe.. People are loosing jobs and leaving Dubai. Rental market is already down 25%...Everyone in finance sector in Dubai will tell you that the prices will go further down, a lot of developers will go out of business and a lot of projects will end up unfinished... A part from that Paul, everything else is great.

There is a reasonable chance that TGR may never be finished... Banks are not lending because they do not bealive off plan projects are safe.. People are loosing jobs and leaving Dubai. Rental market is already down 25%...Everyone in finance sector in Dubai will tell you that the prices will go further down, a lot of developers will go out of business and a lot of projects will end up unfinished... A part from that Paul, everything else is great.

Yes I am sure it is very difficult for some people in Dubai right now. TGR is 100% sold and all the payments up till completion have been paid. Trident have budgeted to build this tower according to the payment structure. The building costs have now gone down so why would they not be able to finish it?

Paul, i have been to Dubai several times and i believe that TGR is one of the best towers in the marina and i am sure the trident which is a very reputable company will deliver a very good project but iam afraid the TGR is sinking with everything else in the marina, just like the stock market crash everything is going down good and bad stocks, i honestly can,t imagine anyone still willing to fork out 2 M on a 2 bed anywhere in the marina.. there is still a long way to drop.

The beaches are soooooooooooo deep you can stand at the waters edge at 9am all tha way along and be in full sun, you will only be in the shade close to the hotels pool areas.

Yes I am sure it is very difficult for some people in Dubai right now. TGR is 100% sold and all the payments up till completion have been paid. Trident have budgeted to build this tower according to the payment structure. The building costs have now gone down so why would they not be able to finish it?

Believe what you want to believe...

There is a reasonable chance that TGR may never be finished... Banks are not lending because they do not bealive off plan projects are safe.. People are loosing jobs and leaving Dubai. Rental market is already down 25%...Everyone in finance sector in Dubai will tell you that the prices will go further down, a lot of developers will go out of business and a lot of projects will end up unfinished... A part from that Paul, everything else is great.

Yes I am sure it is very difficult for some people in Dubai right now. TGR is 100% sold and all the payments up till completion have been paid. Trident have budgeted to build this tower according to the payment structure. The building costs have now gone down so why would they not be able to finish it?

Believe what you want to believe...
^^
So you have no explanation to why it wont get finished then...your just saying it wont. Then there is no foundation it anything your saying about TGR....

Paul, i have been to Dubai several times and i believe that TGR is one of the best towers in the marina and i am sure the trident which is a very reputable company will deliver a very good project but iam afraid the TGR is sinking with everything else in the marina, just like the stock market crash everything is going down good and bad stocks, i honestly can,t imagine anyone still willing to fork out 2 M on a 2 bed anywhere in the marina.. there is still a long way to drop.
^^
Youv'e been to Dubai several times!!!! I have lived here for years and you, a tourist is trying to tell us how it is here.....:lol:

FROM ANOTHER THREAD

It just goes to show you all the rumours going around about Dubai from people who don't live here, even somebody in JV thread wrote the Marina was a ghost town!!! http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...139059&page=27
I am glad that 2 more restaurants in The Walk is opening today, because it can be difficult to find a table anywhere there!

Please note Dubai is only suffering in the construction sector, bank sector, property sales and tourism sector. The industry has never had it so good, the Jebel Ali Free Zone is completely full up and they are increasing the area here in July. The fastest growing free zone in the world.



A message to the TOURIST (Dubai first) I have been offered more that O.P on all my TGR stock, So what are you talking about?:lol:

^^
So you have no explanation to why it wont get finished then...your just saying it wont. Then there is no foundation it anything your saying about TGR....

I was really going to end this dialog because it is getting boring and pointless. Do you really think it is that simple? You sell your apartments off plan, alocate the money for construction and the rest is just plane sailing.... If that is the case no developers in Dubai will ever get into trouble. Even mighty Emaar and Nakheel are practically bankrupt. If you think TIH is immune to all what is happening around us, good luck to you. TGR still has at least one more year to go.

FROM ANOTHER THREAD

It just goes to show you all the rumours going around about Dubai from people who don't live here, even somebody in JV thread wrote the Marina was a ghost town!!! http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...139059&page=27
I am glad that 2 more restaurants in The Walk is opening today, because it can be difficult to find a table anywhere there!

Please note Dubai is only suffering in the construction sector, bank sector, property sales and tourism sector. The industry has never had it so good, the Jebel Ali Free Zone is completely full up and they are increasing the area here in July. The fastest growing free zone in the world.

A message to the TOURIST (Dubai first) I have been offered more that O.P on all my TGR stock, So what are you talking about?:lol:


This is the most ridiculous quote I have ever seen on this forum!!!! Lets judge the the state of economy of one country by the number of new restaurants that are opening!!! The construction, tourism, property and banking is approx 70% of the industry...The rest is oil and other sectors... Jebel Ali doesnt even represent 1% of the total contribution...

Not another 14 hours of rubbish today.:ohno:

FROM ANOTHER THREAD



A message to the TOURIST (Dubai first) I have been offered more that O.P on all my TGR stock, So what are you talking about?:lol:

Here is another tourist for you.Originally posted by MACKIE in the torch thread

Quote;

OK

Spent the last few days visiting Dubai and talking to developers(including SG), suppliers, hotel managers, hotel workers (including the most informative valet parking attendances), Sail club managers and workers, a few successful businessmen, a few friends that live in Dubai full time, Banks and building Managers. There are many negatives and very few positives and I shall start with the bad news first. Please remember that I am a great supporter of Dubai as I love the place and hope to move there permanently in the near future. Please note that these are just my views and are not meant to offend or influence anyone.

Let me start with Dubai in General and let me tell you that it is with a heavy heart that I have to report that the whole place is totally f***d at the moment, total freeze and free fall and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. Confidence is evaporating and the big guy is too quite and need to get of his Royal A$$ and say something to give people some confidence. His silence is making the situation much worse and giving room for too many rumours.

Forget about the silly banter about prices per sqft. If you have cash, you can buy at silly prices, well below the original prices in many cases and in the best locations.

The government owe too much money to many companies including one of my best friends who he can not pay his suppliers and at risk of going bust because the government is not paying him.

The police compounds are full of thousands of cars that have been dumped, seen them by my own eyes and the Marinas are full of boats that owned by the bank. The banks do not know what to do with the properties, boats, cars….etc of the defaulters and the lack of established laws, systems and procedures are causing this total freeze and what is worth is no body is allowed or willing to talk about it publicly, only friends amongst themselves are discussing these issues.

Many developers are not continuing with their buildings and very few developers will survive. Not many developers are able to pay the bills.

Plenty of cheap unskilled labour available for developers that have money and willing to spend.

Buildings are full of tenants that have lost their jobs and are just waiting for the lease to finish or their kids to finish the school year/term…etc to return home.

The most worrying thing for me are the hotels, how empty they are, how expensive they still are, how empty the beaches are on daily basis (except for weekends) and the number of hotels that hotels closed complete wings. Even Atlantis, they mothballed nearly 700 rooms. The hotels by the beach are near empty and yet the figures / statistics are manipulated by the government.

On the weekend I saw the Walk and Marina walk busy but you can count the tourist on your hand despite the attraction. I was pleased to see so many locals out enjoying themselves eating and not just showing their cars off in large group, never saw that kind of numbers in the UAE before and especially groups of local ladies. Still I was concerned that there were hardly any tourists.

Am I worried? Yes Very, if the investor’s confidence level reaches the point of no return. I am not only talking about real estate, I am talking about investment in Dubai in General.

Would I still invest in Dubai? Yes I would, especially at these current falling prices.

Do I think Dubai will recover soon? No, this is a long term investment for me. This place will take years to recover.

Will do some work and will be back with some more and much more about DS/SG (Positive and negatives).

You may wonder, what has the above got to do with the developments, this will become clear next time I log on.

:deadthrea

Daily News Reports on Construction and Dubai

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Property market 'to emerge stronger' after crisis - experts
Thursday, 12 March 2009
REGULATION: Legal experts have said Dubai's battered real estate market could emerge stronger from crisis. (Getty Images)Dubai’s property market has taken a beating but could emerge from the economic crisis stronger and more transparent, leading legal and financial experts have predicted.

They were taking part in the Cityscape Connect business breakfast ahead of Cityscape Dubai.

Attended by more than 150 property executives, legal advisers and investors, the business breakfast was called to explore the challenges facing the Dubai real estate market.

The initiative has been introduced to stimulate networking, transparency and open debate on the key issues affecting the Dubai real estate industry which has dramatically changed market dynamics and growth prospects since last year's Cityscape.

Lisa Dale, a partner in legal firm Al Tamimi & Company, said: “As we come out on the other side of the economic troubles we are in at the moment, Dubai will have a more regulated and much more transparent real estate system.”

New laws and regulations, both at Dubai government and at federal level, will emerge in the coming few months establishing more clearly the rights of property owners, she added.

In addition, she said the Dubai Land Department is developing one of the most sophisticated and transparent online property transaction systems.

“These things are going on now and will come into effect in the next few months,” Dale said. “As we emerge, Dubai will have a more regulated and transparent jurisdiction than now.”

Sohail Zubairi, CEO of Dar Al Sharia Legal and Financial Consultancy, said Dubai would emerge much stronger “if we regulate ourselves properly".

Rohan Marwaha, MD of the Cityscape series, said: “While there is a slowdown in the market, there remains a substantial growth pattern across most of the region – which is something many other parts of the world will struggle to achieve.
"On a regional and global level, it will be those companies that carefully plan in the down market which will recover fastest and further post-recession.”

A light at the end of the tunnel???:)

A light at the end of the tunnel???:)

Nah - just a train coming the other way :lol:

Hi everyone! I am new here and planning to move with my new job to Dubai at the end of the year. Would like to buy 2 bed apartment now that will be finished around December 2009.. I have done some research and despite what has been said on this thread, I do believe that Trident is one of the best in Dubai.. Is anyone have any update on completion date for TGR?

This tower will probably take at least a year more, probably a year and a half.

Yes - long way off, Trident still one of the best...

Try Bayside, Waterfront or Marinascape for 2 bed re-sales, These are completed Trident projects.

Yes - long way off, Trident still one of the best...

Try Bayside, Waterfront or Marinascape for 2 bed re-sales, These are completed Trident projects.

That is a bad news. Trident is saying November this year completion date on TGR. Out of three completed Trident projects, which one is the best?

For location - Marinascape, its a popular spot. Bayside has also matured over the previous 12m. Marinascape is also close to new metro walkway/station and has good facilities

Hi everyone! I am new here and planning to move with my new job to Dubai at the end of the year. Would like to buy 2 bed apartment now that will be finished around December 2009.. I have done some research and despite what has been said on this thread, I do believe that Trident is one of the best in Dubai.. Is anyone have any update on completion date for TGR?
^^

This from Trident this morning....

Dear Paul,



Please note that we have already completed the structure of TGR and now working on the interiors. The anticipated time of completion is end of this year, however we shall keep you informed 2-3 months before the actual date of handover.


Best regards,


Kamna Tandon

Customer Service

Trident International Holdings FZCO

Telephone: +971 (4) 3689225

Facsimile: +971 (4)

E-mail: kamna@tihglobal.com

www.tihglobal.com

Our working hours are from 9am to 6pm, Sunday to Thursday.

February 2009 sounds like a safe bet!?

February 2009 sounds like a safe bet!?

....meant February 2010....

National bank of Abu Dhabi are providing credit facilities for TGR.....

No money shortage there.:banana:

From previous Trident communications, it will be second Quarter 2010 then....or later

National bank of Abu Dhabi are providing credit facilities for TGR.....

No money shortage there.:banana:

This project will complete - Trident are reputable, they have always delivered, to date. Paul, What is Abu Dhabi Bank willing to lend (%/limits etc) on the TGR project? Cheers,

^^
Dont know what % lending they will do but theirs 30% left to pay on completion.

Buy the time this is handing over then the banks should be lending more again.

http://i44.tinypic.com/29qmotv.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/29qmotv.jpg

Is this picture taken from MArinaScape Oceanic Tower? If so, from what floor? Nice views...

Where has everyone gone on this TGR link:ohno:

TGR looking good....

http://i40.tinypic.com/igygsi.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/14mcb5i.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/28a6sue.jpg

Full steam ahead...

Interiors being done now and Trident say they are up to the 20th floor, nice marble floors too...:cheers:

TGR looking good....

http://i40.tinypic.com/igygsi.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/14mcb5i.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/28a6sue.jpg

Full steam ahead...

Interiors being done now and Trident say they are up to the 20th floor, nice marble floors too...:cheers:

Good pictures, Paul. Building looks good as usual and as all other Trident buildings... Still a long way from completion... I am concerned about interior finishing.... Marble floors are OK but I think Trident is compromising on some other things... Will try to upload picture of kitchen tiles in my next msg.. A real crap...

http://i42.tinypic.com/b48che.jpg

Here they are, crapy tiles in the kitchen on lower floors.... Hope they use a better ones for higher floors..

^^
not the tiles i saw at tgr...

are they the tiles in your kitchen???

TGR is using a nice brown marble, see previous posts... does anyone think that this is crap?

http://i39.tinypic.com/5yyo88.jpg

^^
not the tiles i saw at tgr...

are they the tiles in your kitchen???

Paul, I can assure you these are tiles from the Kitchen...and they are real crap.... Tiles in the guest toalet and marble on the floor in the hall and front room are OK and same as Marinascape and Bayside....

TGR is using a nice brown marble, see previous posts... does anyone think that this is crap?

http://i39.tinypic.com/5yyo88.jpg

Sorry but If your'e talking about that marble in that picture .... actually it's really hard to say it's the same in hardees fast food restaurant "toilets" which is good to them ...:ohno:

we still saying Dubai marina has a rubbish finishing here n there except of a little bed of landmark towers but in general in term of the word (rubbish) this is the most suitable word for finishing of Dubai marina towers ... if you wanna to compare it with Downtown Burj Dubai or JLT...(that was my little expert say it to me )

so to come to conclusion in term of luxury finishing stay away from catalog and all that crap (interiors render)...

The all finishing in Dubai marina to me is the same the only different are the developer , view , location , facilities , size of apartment " about intelligent home smart system a hugeey rubbish commercial one , you can use it only for a one year then the term of rubbish take place ... "

Just heard that The Pentominium project has been put on hold.... Anyone else heard the same? Is Trident in trouble?

Just heard that The Pentominium project has been put on hold.... Anyone else heard the same? Is Trident in trouble?
^^
Trident still dont have the contractors although I am told it is to be ACC....

They are supposed to be finalizing the contracts?????

^^
Trident still dont have the contractors although I am told it is to be ACC....

They are supposed to be finalizing the contracts?????

Just spoke with Trident. Information is not correct, and Pentominium project is going ahead... Good news...

03/April/2009

TGR

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Latest fromTrident....

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Sounds good...:cheers:

According to this article, no quick recovery for Dubai http://www.ameinfo.com/193895.html

According to this article, no quick recovery for Dubai http://www.ameinfo.com/193895.html

.....then we all believe it, isn't it.....:ohno:

According to this article, no quick recovery for Dubai http://www.ameinfo.com/193895.html

^^ Wrong thread Kenter.....:bash:

^^ Wrong thread Kenter.....:bash:

Paul I think Kenter is a Cash buyer looking to drive down prices - apologies Kenter if that isn't the case ??
What is the the REAL selling price of Seaview apartmets high up in this tower ?

Paul I think Kenter is a Cash buyer looking to drive down prices - apologies Kenter if that isn't the case ??
What is the the REAL selling price of Seaview apartmets high up in this tower ?

Of ALL the units I have looked at I have not found any 2 beds with sea views on high floors available for sale! Try and find a high floor (+34th) with sea views for sale. I am sure that you will find plenty units for sale with marina views or on low floors....

According to this article, no quick recovery for Dubai http://www.ameinfo.com/193895.html
^^ According to this one it is!


Dubai's ruler says the worst is over
By Simeon Kerr in Dubai

Published: April 20 2009 03:00 | Last updated: April 20 2009 03:00

The ruler of Dubai yesterday said the government may still have to intervene to offer financial support to some economic sectors in the troubled Gulf emirate, but he believes "the worst is over and behind us".

The acknowledgement by Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum of the impact of the financial crisis is a shift from his previous statements that the emirate had been unaffected by the global financial crisis.

Sheikh Mohammed, speaking in his capacity as prime minister of the United Arab Emirates, said the economy would face slower growth this year. But he insisted that the government's action to support domestic banks and its stimulus packages had helped the economy "shift . . . from the crisis mode to the solution".

"Increasing financial support to other business sectors is probable, pending the actual needs of each particular sector," he said.

The online publication of his responses is a rare display of public accountability in the Gulf. The ruler used the opportunity to play down claims that the economy is on the skids and deny rumours of his poor health.

He insisted that the UAE was well placed to bounce back. "The impact of the crisis on our economy was significant during the last quarter of 2008, yet it was not as harsh as on other major economies," he said.

http://www.gnads4u.com/doc.html?_a=view&id=5477496
Just found some sea view stuff in TGR (see link) - don't know if this is and achievable price - I know if had I would hold in this tower anyway now DP
isn't happening for 10 years or so !

http://www.gnads4u.com/doc.html?_a=view&id=5477496
Just found some sea view stuff in TGR (see link) - don't know if this is and achievable price - I know if had I would hold in this tower anyway now DP
isn't happening for 10 years or so !

I found this one too....I think its the ONLY one for sale on high floor with sea view! If the buyers criteria is TGR and high floor with sea view and this is the only one on the market, they will have to pay the sellers price.

^^ According to this one it is!


Dubai's ruler says the worst is over
By Simeon Kerr in Dubai

Published: April 20 2009 03:00 | Last updated: April 20 2009 03:00

The ruler of Dubai yesterday said the government may still have to intervene to offer financial support to some economic sectors in the troubled Gulf emirate, but he believes "the worst is over and behind us".

The acknowledgement by Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum of the impact of the financial crisis is a shift from his previous statements that the emirate had been unaffected by the global financial crisis.

Sheikh Mohammed, speaking in his capacity as prime minister of the United Arab Emirates, said the economy would face slower growth this year. But he insisted that the government's action to support domestic banks and its stimulus packages had helped the economy "shift . . . from the crisis mode to the solution".

"Increasing financial support to other business sectors is probable, pending the actual needs of each particular sector," he said.

The online publication of his responses is a rare display of public accountability in the Gulf. The ruler used the opportunity to play down claims that the economy is on the skids and deny rumours of his poor health.

He insisted that the UAE was well placed to bounce back. "The impact of the crisis on our economy was significant during the last quarter of 2008, yet it was not as harsh as on other major economies," he said.

"worst is over" certainly does not mean quick recovery!!!!! And anyway else what would you expect to hear from the goverment anyway?

Paul I think Kenter is a Cash buyer looking to drive down prices - apologies Kenter if that isn't the case ??
What is the the REAL selling price of Seaview apartmets high up in this tower ?

Hi MANUTD, at least my posts are creating some constructive debate instead of just talking how great progress is made on the building. If you don't want to hear any bad news about Dubai property, that is your choice.
No I am not interested in buying at this time. Things will get worse before they get better, much worse.

Of ALL the units I have looked at I have not found any 2 beds with sea views on high floors available for sale! Try and find a high floor (+34th) with sea views for sale. I am sure that you will find plenty units for sale with marina views or on low floors....

People advertise for all kind of prices..it really means nothing.. What counts are properties actually sold and hardly any off plan flats are being sold.

People advertise for all kind of prices..it really means nothing.. What counts are properties actually sold and hardly any off plan flats are being sold.

When do you get that there are mostly positive people on this website? Why are you trying to drag us into your negativity on various threads? Our lifes seem to be happy here in Dubai, is that bothering you so much? Property prices are rising on selected properties by the way..., not that I expected you to know or accept it. Your research only knows one direction!!!

Hi MANUTD, at least my posts are creating some constructive debate instead of just talking how great progress is made on the building. If you don't want to hear any bad news about Dubai property, that is your choice.
No I am not interested in buying at this time. Things will get worse before they get better, much worse.

Actually Mods-- I do apologise for talking price but having seen this tower from a hole the ground I am also interested in the fact that it has made good progress since 30 months ago and who ever invested then will still be well in pocket if you look at OP and rate of exchanges to Dirham in 2007

I know my stuff would have to devalue another 30% for me to lose money on all fronts and I dont believe that wil happen in any case
I am here for the long term -if folks bought at 2000 aed psf last year, yes they are struggling but overall Dubai has been kind to most

Buy now KENTER --prices are on way up in UK --DUBAI will follow and Alistar Darlings Budget will help Dubai long term --penalising entrepreneurs again with his 50% tax will drive the bright minds out and where to ? DUBAI of course

Actually Mods-- I do apologise for talking price but having seen this tower from a hole the ground I am also interested in the fact that it has made good progress since 30 months ago and who ever invested then will still be well in pocket if you look at OP and rate of exchanges to Dirham in 2007

I know my stuff would have to devalue another 30% for me to lose money on all fronts and I dont believe that wil happen in any case
I am here for the long term -if folks bought at 2000 aed psf last year, yes they are struggling but overall Dubai has been kind to most

Buy now KENTER --prices are on way up in UK --DUBAI will follow and Alistar Darlings Budget will help Dubai long term --penalising entrepreneurs again with his 50% tax will drive the bright minds out and where to ? DUBAI of course

I couldn't agree more with you, MANUTD... If you are thinking a long term investment you can hardly go wrong. Although, not all investors in Dubai are UK Sterling based. Personally, I believe the property market will stay flat for a number of years before significant improvements are seen.

When do you get that there are mostly positive people on this website? Why are you trying to drag us into your negativity on various threads? Our lifes seem to be happy here in Dubai, is that bothering you so much? Property prices are rising on selected properties by the way..., not that I expected you to know or accept it. Your research only knows one direction!!!

Wow...Barricuda!!! Instead of been personal, why don't you have a constructive comment on the report that I have previosly posted? If you don't agree what UBS' Investment Research analysts report has concluded, then say something that will support your position.. To blame me for spoiling your happiness in Dubai is quite frankly the most ridiculous thing I ever heard..

Wow...Barricuda!!! Instead of been personal, why don't you have a constructive comment on the report that I have previosly posted? If you don't agree what UBS' Investment Research analysts report has concluded, then say something that will support your position.. To blame me for spoiling your happiness in Dubai is quite frankly the most ridiculous thing I ever heard..

That was my point, you can no spoil anything, so you are waisting your energy. I already stated that selected property prices are rising, that is a proof based on facts in form of market transactions, worth more than a study behind the desk...

That was my point, you can no spoil anything, so you are waisting your energy. I already stated that selected property prices are rising, that is a proof based on facts in form of market transactions, worth more than a study behind the desk...

So your description of a constructive argument is “I stated prices are going up”… Great thanks for that very useful information. I think you should call UBS and tell them they are talking crap.
I think for sake of others on this tread, I will not engage in this ridiculous argument any more. Surely this tread should be used for people to exchange different views so that we can learn more about real state of the market. Not to just listened dreamers.

So your description of a constructive argument is “I stated prices are going up”… Great thanks for that very useful information. I think you should call UBS and tell them they are talking crap.
I think for sake of others on this tread, I will not engage in this ridiculous argument any more. Surely this tread should be used for people to exchange different views so that we can learn more about real state of the market. Not to just listened dreamers.

Springs, Type 4m, lowest transaction at 900,000
Last week, 1.2 million
Jumeirah Islands, lowest transaction at 3.9 million, lastat 4.3 million (I'm talking about same type with similar views and location before you ask)
So much to your dreaming
I can't see a constructive individual view to learn from when all you do is quote, which does not exactly require an enormous intellect.
My view is clear, we are at the bottom of things!!!

Springs, Type 4m, lowest transaction at 900,000
Last week, 1.2 million
Jumeirah Islands, lowest transaction at 3.9 million, lastat 4.3 million (I'm talking about same type with similar views and location before you ask)
So much to your dreaming
I can't see a constructive individual view to learn from when all you do is quote, which does not exactly require an enormous intellect.
My view is clear, we are at the bottom of things!!!

Sorry, but you don't understand the basics. You cannot use just two property transactions to prove that sudenly market is on the move!! I can bring you many examples of a properties that were distressed sales, sold well below OP price.. but what would that prove? Nothing, just like your example... This is why you need experts to look the entire market, all transactions taken place and compare one month with another.. That is the only way get a real picture and draw some sensible conclusions for the future. It seems to me that you have chosen to ignore those reports. If you didn't, you will find that the property values are still going down and that the rental market will be hit hard by August this year and that will have further negative impact on sales and property values... From then on who knows, but most agree that we are only going to see some improvements in 2010/11. Nothing substential, just improvements. So believe what ever you want to believe, but if you think the market is reached the bottom, you are dreaming.

I see the same in rentals, but time shall tell the "Real" picture

By the end of the current school term it is expected that 250.000 - 300.000 people will be leaving Dubai, so do not expect any price increase! Have a drive through Springs and Meadows, every 2nd villa is already for sale... Not to talk about summer time AND bloody Ramadan falling alltogether. That might be the bottom of the crisis...

Latest fromTrident....

http://i43.tinypic.com/21j9jjb.jpg

Sounds good...:cheers:

Trident seem to be suggesting a handover date of last quarter of '09. What do people in the know think about this? It seems a little unlikely to me judging from current pictures. I am just trying to budget and calculate when I will have to come up with the final 30%!! Would appreciate what people think.

By the end of the current school term it is expected that 250.000 - 300.000 people will be leaving Dubai, so do not expect any price increase! Have a drive through Springs and Meadows, every 2nd villa is already for sale... Not to talk about summer time AND bloody Ramadan falling alltogether. That might be the bottom of the crisis...

I wanted to buy a Type 4m in Springs. They were going below 1 million, but I can pay 1.1. Even for that price I can't find it, please help with your inside knowledge, because I'm only offered Villas at 1.3 now

By the end of the current school term it is expected that 250.000 - 300.000 people will be leaving Dubai, so do not expect any price increase! Have a drive through Springs and Meadows, every 2nd villa is already for sale... Not to talk about summer time AND bloody Ramadan falling alltogether. That might be the bottom of the crisis...

Please delete the word BLOODY before Ramadan this is a direct insulting to Islam.

Trident seem to be suggesting a handover date of last quarter of '09. What do people in the know think about this? It seems a little unlikely to me judging from current pictures. I am just trying to budget and calculate when I will have to come up with the final 30%!! Would appreciate what people think.

Although TGR is making a good progress, speaking with the supervisors/managers on the site, most of them are talking first quarter 2010...

If even that, the final stage is usually understimated

By the end of the current school term it is expected that 250.000 - 300.000 people will be leaving Dubai, so do not expect any price increase! Have a drive through Springs and Meadows, every 2nd villa is already for sale... Not to talk about summer time AND bloody Ramadan falling alltogether. That might be the bottom of the crisis...


Please refrain from using insulting words as bloody connected to Ramadhan clearly any practising Muslim reading these words will be insulted and will take exception to this kind of reference. I am requesting you to do this nicely at the moment.

01/May/2009

TGR

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^^

Great pics and great progress too....

Looking forward to this one getting finished....:cheers:

15/May/2009

TGR

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i am interested in buying three br APt , any body interested , please call 050-5464992 , or email marsdubai@hotmail.com

20/May/2009

Royal Oceanic and TGR

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I'm trying to find out which apartments have full sea view, but from their website and their brochure there are no indications as to which view the apartments have, actually the website says the 2 beds have marina view, while their customer service say full sea view!!
Anybody know how the floorplan is sub-divided exactly?

^^
Type 4b, 3 bed, Good sea views from lounge but bedrooms all look to JBR.

Type 5b, 2 bed but not much sea views from lounge, great sea views from both bedrooms.

Type 6B, 2 bed, great sea and Palm views from all rooms.

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Looking really good, love the glass they have used. Looks much better than the green glass in previous projects.....:cheers:

Thanks Paul, if you can tell me where I can get the info you have it would be great cause the brochure I have and the website dont give this info.

Cheers.

Is there a 1 bed available for sale with Sea/Palm views anyone ?

Thanks Paul, if you can tell me where I can get the info you have it would be great cause the brochure I have and the website dont give this info.

Cheers.

I got my info from going into the apartments and looking around. I bought quite a few of apartments at TGR and they allowed me access to view. See their website for floor plans.....

www.tridentgrandresidence.com/

I have 1 bedroom available, type 7B Sea and Palm
views above 25th Floor, if you are interested

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I reposted your pics on the Marinascape thread:)

Taken today
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That pool at Marinascape is a joke. I thought Trident is better than the rest, but again it appears more than it is. Emaar is not that bad:-)

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That pool at Marinascape is a joke. I thought Trident is better than the rest, but again it appears more than it is. Emaar is not that bad:-)

agreed - I've seen developments with bigger fountains - makes you wonder why they bothered.

http://tinypic.com/r/2evrklh/5

^^^^

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This project still has a long way to go. This will not be finished in the last quarter

had a look around TGR on 4th floor on the weekend and I can not see it finishing this year. I was disapointed with what i saw in there too in terms of lay out and views. 4b hasthe neighbour looking directly into the living room from their balcony and the bedrooms are much smaller than expected.

TOPPED OUT ?

16/June/2009

RO and TGR

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Thanks Imre, god pictures as usual.

However, it doesn't seem to be much progress in the last couple of months...

had a look around TGR on 4th floor on the weekend and I can not see it finishing this year. I was disapointed with what i saw in there too in terms of lay out and views. 4b hasthe neighbour looking directly into the living room from their balcony and the bedrooms are much smaller than expected.

I agree. Balconies on 6B and 7B are even smaller and floor plans are not very good either.. I don't think finishing is going to be any better than Marinascape or Bayside.. It will be difficult to get any substential return on the investemnt considering prices paid per sq/ft for TGR are much higher than for other two developments.. I think this project will not be ready before end of March 2010

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Interesting Article in Sunday Times today..

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/markets/the_gulf/article6543895.ece

Can someone please tell me what style appt are the left hand ones in the picture above taken from the beach and what floor would the 3 beds be on and how many sq ft. I have seen the floorplans but they only show you individually not as a whole floor.

Does anyone want to sell a 3 bed?

Can someone please tell me what style appt are the left hand ones in the picture above taken from the beach and what floor would the 3 beds be on and how many sq ft. I have seen the floorplans but they only show you individually not as a whole floor.

Here it is CBP..

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Thanks. Is this all floors? I see these are all B type but you often see A type. Whats the deal here.

Thanks. Is this all floors? I see these are all B type but you often see A type. Whats the deal here.

^^
A type is below floor 20.

B types from 20 thru 39th floors

22/June/2009

TGR

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^^
A type is below floor 20.

B types from 20 thru 39th floors

Many thanks Paul.

26/June/2009

TGR

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After speaking with Trident they are addement that snagging and completion will be at the end of this year. Is this really possible:??

no

TGI is experiencing some serious financial and management difficulties. This is why no one can get any straight answers from them. Progress on TGR has slowed down over the last 3 months and the completion date will be further delayed well into 2010. Internally discussions are going on whether or not The Pentominium project should be put be put on hold.

TGI is experiencing some serious financial and management difficulties. This is why no one can get any straight answers from them. Progress on TGR has slowed down over the last 3 months and the completion date will be further delayed well into 2010. Internally discussions are going on whether or not The Pentominium project should be put be put on hold.
^^
Is this speculation or has something been announced? (or leaked)?

^^
Is this speculation or has something been announced? (or leaked)?

Leaked from a very reliable source... For TGI to keep saying that TGR will be finished in the last quarter this year is an insult to any ones intelligence.. Initially great developer turning into nightmare.

TGR APRIL

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TGR JUNE

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Only 2 months between these pictures but seems to have made good progress.

Trident say that as the tower is almost topped out then the workers are inside so you wont see as many as before????:dunno: I still think that completion with be Q2 2010

Had a friend of mine visiting the site last week and he said not a lot of activities there.. Completion a year from now is possible providing things do not get much worse in TGI.

Leaked from a very reliable source... For TGI to keep saying that TGR will be finished in the last quarter this year is an insult to any ones intelligence.. Initially great developer turning into nightmare.


It still looks as if it has made good progress in the last few months. Perhaps when Imre takes the latest pics we will see just how much progress has been made? What can't speak can't lie......

WHO IS TGI????

Trident were very slow with the internals of Marinascape. Same rumours of financial difficulties but got there in the end.

It still looks as if it has made good progress in the last few months. Perhaps when Imre takes the latest pics we will see just how much progress has been made? What can't speak can't lie......

WHO IS TGI????

Sorry, I meant TIH, Trident International Holdings...

TGI is experiencing some serious financial and management difficulties. This is why no one can get any straight answers from them. Progress on TGR has slowed down over the last 3 months and the completion date will be further delayed well into 2010. Internally discussions are going on whether or not The Pentominium project should be put be put on hold.

THIS FROM TRIDENT THIS MORNING....

From: kamna@tihglobal.ae
To: Subject: RE: Pentominium
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:43:46 +0400


Dear Sir,

Thank you for your email dated 28 June 2009.

As we are in a contractual relationship, each party has certain obligations and rights to fulfil. As the Developer we confirm that the progress on the Pentominium project is as follows:

M/s Swiss Boring has completed the challenging and exceptionally deep piling and shoring works (a newsletter was sent to this effect in the month of March to all Home Owners , a copy of which we reattach);
The Main Contractor for the Pentominium has already been appointed;
A prominent Bank is on board to project financing the Pentominium.

As you are aware, we are a RERA registered Developer and the Pentominium is a registered project with an active Escrow Account.

Kindly note that construction is progressing well at this stage and it would certainly be very premature to assume that the Pentominium is delayed from an overall perspective. Despite a downturn in the market, the liquidity problems and cancellations of many projects, Trident only embarked on six towers since 2002. To date we have delivered four out of six towers. Trident has an enviable track record in completing its announced projects and requests you to extend your cooperation until we successfully complete this iconic project.

Yours sincerely

Kamna Tandon

Customer Service

Trident International Holdings FZCO

Telephone: +971 (4) 3689225

Facsimile: +971 (4)

E-mail: kamna@tihglobal.com

www.tihglobal.com

Our working hours are from 9am to 6pm, Sunday to Thursday.

10/July/2009

TGR

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It still looks as if it has made good progress in the last few months. Perhaps when Imre takes the latest pics we will see just how much progress has been made? What can't speak can't lie......


If you look at the picture taken June 26th then the latest taken July 10th (little over 2 weeks) You can clearly see good progess has been made (upper balconies, trademark Trident roof feature).....:cheers:

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There is progress, this has topped out already.

Friday morning - good to see workers on site today.

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17/Jul/2009

TGR

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31/July/2009

TGR

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Trident are still adamant that this will be completed by the end of this year?

Could be, they are making good progress.....

crane coming down but the outside elevator still there , I dont know how they will finish it in 2009, they have only 5 months , we will see.

crane coming down but the outside elevator still there , I dont knos how they will finish it in 2009, they have only 5 months , we will see.

Have you been inside TG recently Imre ?

Are the people attending this forum owners in this tower or simply real estate enthusiasts? I have concerns over how THI has handled the management of the previous towers and want to implement measures, along with other owners, to avoid those problems as much as possible for TGR.

Have you been inside TG recently Imre ?

not yet

What is the best way for getting in touch with other owners in this tower in your view? Thanks.

What is the best way for getting in touch with other owners in this tower in your view? Thanks.

Most of the owners are visiting this website, so go ahead and let us have your thoughts.. I am renting apartment in Marinascape and in the process of purchasing apartment in TGR... I agree with you, dealing with TIH is a hard work to say at least.
rgds Sarah

07/August/2009

TGR

crane and outside elevator removing

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its taking shape...slowly,

look forward to seeing the standard of internal finish

Yes it looks great, hope the interior is a good as the glossy brochure suggests. Thanks Imre for the consistent updated pics. :)

OK

Dear Trident Grand Residence Investor (soon to be: Owner),

This is to invite you to join other investors in the tower for our first collective meeting at:

Seabreeze Restaurant/Bar located at Royal Meridian Hotel Dubai (opposite to TGR tower), on Sunday August 16th at 6PM.

This event is exclusive to only those who have existing investments at the Trident Grand Residence tower and will not be open to public. Please note that this initiative is wholly run and initiated by some of the private investors in the tower and is totally independent of Trident International Holding (Developer).

Please forward this email to all other investors whom you know that have invested in the tower and invite them to join us on Sunday August 16th.

The objective of this meeting is to:

1) Share various information of common interest regarding the tower and discuss some of the lessons learned by previous Trident investors.

2) Plant the initial seeds of our property's Owners' Association (highly recommended to be proactive on this matter) to best prepare for creating a successful Owners Association, which will be key to the tower's successful handover and operation.

3) Hold a Q&A session regarding the matters of common interest based on the available information.

Sincerely yours,

Founding Committee
Trident Grand Residence's Investors Association

10/August/2009

Trident Grand Residence

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Dear Trident Grand Residence Investor (soon to be: Owner),

This is to invite you to join other investors in the tower for our first collective meeting at:

Seabreeze Restaurant/Bar located at Royal Meridian Hotel Dubai (opposite to TGR tower), on Sunday August 16th at 6PM.

This event is exclusive to only those who have existing investments at the Trident Grand Residence tower and will not be open to public. Please note that this initiative is wholly run and initiated by some of the private investors in the tower and is totally independent of Trident International Holding (Developer).

Please forward this email to all other investors whom you know that have invested in the tower and invite them to join us on Sunday August 16th.

The objective of this meeting is to:

1) Share various information of common interest regarding the tower and discuss some of the lessons learned by previous Trident investors.

2) Plant the initial seeds of our property's Owners' Association (highly recommended to be proactive on this matter) to best prepare for creating a successful Owners Association, which will be key to the tower's successful handover and operation.

3) Hold a Q&A session regarding the matters of common interest based on the available information.

Sincerely yours,

Founding Committee
Trident Grand Residence's Investors Association

Unfortunately I cannot be in Dubai for this meeting as I live overseas, however as I own a unit I am very interested to hear other's thoughts on what is happening, and indeed gain any valuable knowledge, as information seems to be thin on the ground.
Is it possible for minutes to be taken at this meeting and sent on to others who cannot be present. I am sure that I am not the only non UAE resident with an interest in this building.

As far as questions go, I would like to know for budgeting purposes when we will need to come up with the final 30%, ie when is completion realistically going to be. The outside is starting to take shape, but has anyone been inside to know how far on they are with interiors etc.
Also as far as dates, normally how long after snagging/handover can one actually begin to move in and use their apartments. Does this depend on the development/developer. What's the timescale on other Trident projects, from handover to being able to occupy an apartment.

I hope these questions can be answered by the collective or by anyone, and I hope it will be possible to be kept in the loop about the meeting. My email address is andymooro@hotmail.com
Thank you

I also live in te UK and can not attend your meeting.

I think at this stage every one just wants to know when the tower is going to be completed and secondly we would also love to see any pictures of the interiors.

I think if IMRE could get some shots we would all be grateful.

Thanks









Dear Trident Grand Residence Investor (soon to be: Owner),

This is to invite you to join other investors in the tower for our first collective meeting at:

Seabreeze Restaurant/Bar located at Royal Meridian Hotel Dubai (opposite to TGR tower), on Sunday August 16th at 6PM.

This event is exclusive to only those who have existing investments at the Trident Grand Residence tower and will not be open to public. Please note that this initiative is wholly run and initiated by some of the private investors in the tower and is totally independent of Trident International Holding (Developer).

Please forward this email to all other investors whom you know that have invested in the tower and invite them to join us on Sunday August 16th.

The objective of this meeting is to:

1) Share various information of common interest regarding the tower and discuss some of the lessons learned by previous Trident investors.

2) Plant the initial seeds of our property's Owners' Association (highly recommended to be proactive on this matter) to best prepare for creating a successful Owners Association, which will be key to the tower's successful handover and operation.

3) Hold a Q&A session regarding the matters of common interest based on the available information.

Sincerely yours,

Founding Committee
Trident Grand Residence's Investors Association

DEAR TGR INVESTOR,

PLEASE INFORM ALL THE TGR INVESTORS, THOSE WHOM YOU KNOW, ABOUT THIS MEETING AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO ATTEND ACTIVELY. HAVING AN ACTIVE ORGANIZED ASSOCIATION WILL ASSIST ALL INVESTORS WITH THE HAND OVER PROCESS, ANY RELATED CHARGES, AND SMOOTH OPERATION OF THE TOWER THEREAFTER, WHILE ENSURING INVESTORS RIGHTS STAY AS MUCH PROTECTED AS POSSIBLE AND THEIR VOICES WOULD BE HEARD (A MATTER THAT OTHER SIMILAR TOWERS ARE CURRENTLY STRUGGLING WITH ON SOME SERIOUS OUTSTANDING ISSUES FOR MANY MONTHS, TO A LARGE PART DUE TO LACK OF HAVING AN ACTIVE ORGANIZED ASSOCIATION).

Dear Trident Grand Residence Investor (soon to be: Owner),

This is to invite you to join other investors in the tower for our first collective meeting at:

Seabreeze Restaurant/Bar located at Royal Meridian Hotel Dubai (opposite to TGR tower), on Sunday August 16th at 6PM.

This event is exclusive to only those who have existing investments at the Trident Grand Residence tower and will not be open to public. Please note that this initiative is wholly run and initiated by some of the private investors in the tower and is totally independent of Trident International Holding (Developer).

Please forward this email to all other investors whom you know that have invested in the tower and invite them to join us on Sunday August 16th.

The objective of this meeting is to:

1) Share various information of common interest regarding the tower and discuss some of the lessons learned by previous Trident investors.

2) Plant the initial seeds of our property's Owners' Association (highly recommended to be proactive on this matter) to best prepare for creating a successful Owners Association, which will be key to the tower's successful handover and operation.

3) Hold a Q&A session regarding the matters of common interest based on the available information.

Sincerely yours,

Founding Committee
Trident Grand Residence's Investors Association

I am also an owner of a unit in TGR and living in Denmark and i ofcause also would like to get a summery of the meeting as I am unable to be in Dubai at this time.

have a super meeting and all the best.

I am happy that it seams to completed and I hope that some of you have the possiblities to get in and see from the inside how fare they are.

Henrik / Denmark

How did the Owners meeting go on the 16th? Did many people manage to attend? Did any new info/knowledge come out of it? Would be great if someone could share what was said with those of us who could not be there. It would be much appreciated!
Has anyone been inside? Any pictures of inside apartments?
Thanks

Can anyone give me an idea of how much a studio or a one bed would be selling for in TGR?

Can anyone give me an idea of how much a studio or a one bed would be selling for in TGR?

No studio's at TGR, smallest units are 1 beds with a den/office and with 1270ft2 they are big units. Not cheap either, O.P was +1.5m aed. I havn't seen any for less than 1.8m.......

Thanks Paul....
That is good news... means Marina properties are holding their value...

No studio's at TGR, smallest units are 1 beds with a den/office and with 1270ft2 they are big units. Not cheap either, O.P was +1.5m aed. I havn't seen any for less than 1.8m.......

Not seen any "yet" anyway , what is the final payment on TGR ?
I suspect some might need to sell before they have to pay it ?
Cracking tower wish I had some spare cash for a sea view here

^^
Only 30% on completion. I dont think that we will see any desperate sellers struggling to make the final payment. Try and buy one now and I bet you cant find a high floor sea view for less than 40% premium.

No studio's at TGR, smallest units are 1 beds with a den/office and with 1270ft2 they are big units. Not cheap either, O.P was +1.5m aed. I havn't seen any for less than 1.8m.......

depends on where are you looking for:)

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Dear TGR Investors (soon to be Owners),

Our first Association meeting was successfully held on August 16th at Royal Meridian Hotel, across from the Tower. To protect investors' best interest and their privacy, the outcomes of the event would not be published on this public forum. If you are an "existing" investor in the Tower, and would like to stay in touch with the developments of the Association, please email your contact information: Full Name, Email, Mobile, and Unit number(s) to tgr.owners@gmail.com
The meetings' information will not be made available to any party other than existing investors or any party with conflicting interest. A summary of first meetings' outcomes would be then emailed to you. A second meeting could take place in the first week of September 2009, although it is not confirmed yet. Many important matters affecting our investment are discussed in these meetings and some issues need to be diligently attended, even before the handover. Your active participation is encouraged, as it directly helps to protect further your investment. If you are in contact with any other investors in the Tower, please inform them about tgr.owners@gmail.com

Regards,

Association's Founding Members

just a thought TGR SOS, why not link up with Marinascape Owners Group to discuss common issues? 6-12monthly meetings could be useful? Could also propose a link up to websites??

The following meeting is 100% EXCLUSIVE to the existing TGR Investors (soon to be Owners)

Dear Trident Grand Residence Private Investors (soon to be Owners),

Our first Investors (soon to be Owners) Association meeting was successfully held on August 16th, 2009 and various timely and important issues were discussed, including some of the challenges of the existing Owners at Trident's previously built towers and constructive suggestions were made for preventive measures to be taken by our Investors Committee. These matters and more will be further discussed and developed in our second meeting scheduled for

Saturday, September 5th, 2009 at 8PM in Dubai Marina, Marina Walk, at Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf Cafe, close to the Spinney's supermarket at Marina Walk.

In case you need directions, the telephone for the Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf Cafe is 04-368-4279.

Your participation is important and encouraged and is in the best interest of your investment and our upcoming community.

Again, please be reminded that our committee is totally independent from the Developer and is solely to protect our own (investors') interest in the development.

Best regards,

Founding Members
Investors (soon to be Owenrs) Association
Trident Grand Residence
tgr.owners@gmail.com

05/September/2009

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First pics i've seen from the back of the building and it shows that there is still alot of work to do. Dont think that this will be completed before the end of the year like Trident say???

where is the crane (only 1 crane ) ? alot of works not done yet in top...they looks broke and so confuse what thing that can finished first ...

they removed the crane and the outside elevator as well.

so when they are bringing down the scaffolding they will scratch all lifts and everything:)

they removed the crane and the outside elevator as well.

so when they are bringing down the scaffolding they will scratch all lifts and everything:)

Unless they cover the lifts with wood paneling to protect it....

so it's going down in here .... delayed will take place i guess for a year or more to handover it ... ;(

so it's going down in here .... delayed will take place i guess for a year or more to handover it ... ;(

^^
Eh????
Who said that its "going down here"??? I just dont think that TGR will be handed over before the end of this year as Trident suggest. I reckon Feb/March 2010 is a safer bet for handover of TGR. This also gives more time for the economy to recover a bit more.:)

11/September/2009

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Thanks Imre for the great pics.

Love the floor plans layout in this one ( http://www.tridentgrandresidence.com/floorplans/default.asp ) , but wondering whether they are still planing on putting the so called "pools" into some of the flats as unable to see from Imre`s pics whether they are going ahead with the origo floor plans (but as i said, love your pics Imre, just wondering about the "pools" thats all :) )

18/September/2009

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If you are an existing Investor at Trident Grand Residence development, please contact tgr.owners@gmail.com to join the Investors Committee (soon to be Owners Committee). This is exclusive to the existing Investors in this tower. TGR Investors Committee is a separate entity from the Developer and its goal is to protect Investors interest in the tower.

03/October/2009

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Does anybody have building layouts of the penthouse floors, I am struggling to work out which ones have the best sea views

Does anybody have building layouts of the penthouse floors, I am struggling to work out which ones have the best sea views

from TGR website: http://www.tridentgrandresidence.com/floorplans/default.asp

^^

Thanks for that, but I am after is something that shows the layout of all the units on the penthouse floors. Similar to the one below:

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TGR looking very good....

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Lots of marble on pool facade....nice touch

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:cheers:

16/October/2009

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Got a letter from Trident saying that they have been advised by the project manager that TGR is expected to complete by December 2009. Handover to commence shortly after.......:)

completion by dec. 09 absolutely impossible :lol:

completion by dec. 09 absolutely impossible :lol:

^^
I know that, I am just posting what they tell me.... I reckon mid 2010:)

19th October

Shiny building, not bad for a hand held shot:)

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Got a letter from Trident saying that they have been advised by the project manager that TGR is expected to complete by December 2009. Handover to commence shortly after.......:)

They are hoping owners send money in expectation, bad tactic!

19th Oct, no where near complete and upto another year to go;

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23/October/2009

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Today

Not even close to be ready.

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so it's going down in here .... delayed will take place i guess for a year or more to handover it ... ;(

:dunno:

20/November/2009

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Trident are now saying that handover will be in the next 3 months???:dunno:

Trident are now saying that handover will be in the next 3 months???:dunno:

:ohno:

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26/November/2009

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04/December/2009

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If you are presently an Investor in the Trident Grand Residence Development, i.e. you have an actual unit registered under your name in this Development, please contact tgr.owners@gmail.com to stay in touch with TGR's Investors Association and the related news. Please note that this is "exclusive" to those who are presently Investors in the TGR Development.

Any new pictures on this one, anyone?... This project looks like another 6 months at least before completion.. So much for Tridents promises to deliver in the last quarter..

I dont have pictures for it, but TGR is really looking great. The podium is massive and all covered in either marble or granite, really beautiful, very elegant design, by far best podium around, I never thought the podium could have made such a difference but this one really deserves to be seen. Also the tower itself is looking a lot cleaner and closer to completion. Congrats to owners!

Yes it does look better than I thought it would and the podium is superb. Trident still say that it will be handed over in a couple of months?? I cant see it myself....
What are the 2 beds with sea views going for now its nearing completion?

Yes it does look better than I thought it would and the podium is superb. Trident still say that it will be handed over in a couple of months?? I cant see it myself....
What are the 2 beds with sea views going for now its nearing completion?

You have to wait long time. Today 16th December 2009.

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I think next autum it might be ready.

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What a mess!! They need Arabtec here....

Its around a year with the Trident and CSHK speed.

But they have learnt after the LT and CSHK at least they have better contractor (ACC) at the Pentominium. :)

CSHK is the contractor that has successfully built the utmost luxury Address Hotel beside Burj Dubai. The same company is building Trident Grand Residence and very senior project management people are on board for this project, let alone that the architect of TGR is the same person who designed Emirates Towers. CSHK's parent company is many many folds larger and more robust than ACC, it is not even comparable. Company has about 40% market share in Hong Kong's construction industry. A contractor works as fast as they receive money from their client, not any faster, not any slower.

Its around a year with the Trident and CSHK speed.

But they have learnt after the LT and CSHK at least they have better contractor (ACC) at the Pentominium. :)

Good job I take what Trident say with a "pinch of salt"!

Shazard Ali from Trident said only a month ago to me that "it would most definatley be handed over by the end of January" :bash:

I think its better if they have more delays then just doing fast job and rubbish.

. A contractor works as fast as they receive money from their client, not any faster, not any slower.

^^What a lot of rubbish! Payment is for work done, not work to be done.

Basically if this one get rubbishphobia then no one can define luxury within Dubai Marina Coming Towers :)

Basically if this one get rubbishphobia then no one can define luxury within Dubai Marina Coming Towers :)

^^
And for those of us who speak English, can anyone translate this?:weird:

Shazard Ali from Trident said only a month ago to me that "it would most definatley be handed over by the end of January" :bash:


Ok but which year?:)

18/December/2009

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18/December/2009

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Anyone know why they are using wooden panels to cover up the gaps where the glass should be????

Anyone know why they are using wooden panels to cover up the gaps where the glass should be????

Probably to keep dust out.

Probably to keep dust out.

The wood is also applied to the balcony facade? I have never seen this done on any other towers.....Has anyone?

Have seen it on some other towers too but not sure what it is for.

^^What a lot of rubbish! Payment is for work done, not work to be done.

True Blue or True Blah Blah.... what a strange comment... How about you go on the street and hire someone to build a skyscraper and tell them that you will pay after they finish it? :nuts: Since you think payment is only for work done, that means you must have not made any initial payments, so you are safe...:lol: But go say that to the contractor, they will have a good laugh.

True Blue or True Blah Blah.... what a strange comment... How about you go on the street and hire someone to build a skyscraper and tell them that you will pay after they finish it? :nuts: Since you think payment is only for work done, that means you must have not made any initial payments, so you are safe...:lol: But go say that to the contractor, they will have a good laugh.

^^More Blah Blah! I have been in the contracting business for more than 20 years.

You work for a month, prepare a monthly interim account and get paid for what you have done. This is not toy town home extensions they are building in Dubai.

^^More Blah Blah! I have been in the contracting business for more than 20 years.

You work for a month, prepare a monthly interim account and get paid for what you have done. This is not toy town home extensions they are building in Dubai.

What you are saying is an over-simplified payment situation, more applicable to a small supplier's business model, but let's "assume" what you have said is 100% applicable (which is not the case) to building a luxury high-rise ....so when you issue your monthly invoice if the client does not promptly and fully make your payment for that one month's worth of work and expenses would you keep on working with the same speed and resource level as before for another say 24-36 months or would you delay the client's work? No it is not just for "work done", timely payments play a big role in prompt delivery of a project of this scale and let's hope those payments are being made properly there, this is something that we don't know about and is hard to judge, regardless of how many decades you claim to have been a contractor. :horse:

What you are saying is an over-simplified payment situation, more applicable to a small supplier's business model, but let's "assume" what you have said is 100% applicable (which is not the case) to building a luxury high-rise ....so when you issue your monthly invoice if the client does not promptly and fully make your payment for that one month's worth of work and expenses would you keep on working with the same speed and resource level as before for another say 24-36 months or would you delay the client's work? No it is not just for "work done", timely payments play a big role in prompt delivery of a project of this scale and let's hope those payments are being made properly there, this is something that we don't know about and is hard to judge, regardless of how many decades you claim to have been a contractor. :horse:

Don't think you know anything about contract law and performance. Are you seriously saying that money should be paid on a time basis and not related to "value" at all.

The dates that the payments will be made are written into the contract. The client has the right to apply his own figures to the contractors measurements and arrive at a different figure. He must supply his figures used in reaching the value of works carried out. If they are disputed then they can attempt to resolve it between the parties first of all and if not resolved seek mediation or arbitration.

Disputed or not, the contractor is in breach of contract and is liable for penalties if he does not perform as the contract requires. Slowing down or stopping while he can not prove default on the other side, will lead ultimately to him being thown off the site and being responsible for all costs incurred by the client.

Unless you are experienced in the various forms of contracts which are used in major construction projects, then please do not try to make pointless arguments.

TB, Do you know why wooden panels are being used here? In your experience how long would you say TGR is away from being handed over. When I address Trident with accurate handover dates they just say that "Our contractors have informed us that completion will be at the end of Dec and handover will comence shortly after blah blah bulls**t bulls**t........."