Leeds Metropolitan University Scheme

This scheme is a big one and deserves its own thread. If its to be completed by 2008, then it has to get cracking pretty soon.

Leeds Metropolitan University has recently announced plans that will radically alter part of the city centre with a scheme costing £130m. At the heart of the scheme will be a 20 storey education centre, that will help Leeds Met become a world class regional university.

The plans identify that a number of the buildings in the Civic Quarter are just not of an acceptable quality and 3 tower blocks, built in the 1950's, will be demolished.

Some relocation projects are already underway, with film, television and performing arts students using the Electric Press theatre next to Millennium Square. Other projects are part of a 10-year plan. They include:

A 20-storey building at the junction of Calverley Street and Portland Way, to open by 2008.

An education centre housing the university's Business School on a site now used as a car park behind Leeds Civic Hall.

Redevelopment of Queen's Square.

Selling off buildings on Brunswick Terrace and a nearby council-owned car park by summer 2006.

Building extra accommodation for 1,000 students outside Headingley.
The refurbisment of the Headingly campus is continuing and there are plans to build accommodation for an additional 400 students.

you need an 'm' after the £130, unless of course they're clever university people who have researched costs and used the students to build...etc clever!

They said the Headingley campus would be the main campus eventually...

you need an 'm' after the £130, unless of course they're clever university people who have researched costs and used the students to build...etc clever!

They said the Headingley campus would be the main campus eventually...
Problem solved now. It seems they've got to correct that error on the http//www.leeds-cityscape.co.uk site.

you need to see Mark about that, he runs the site (I think)

Good thread, cheers for this. Brilliant news that the uni's expanding but by God, I bet the music department are fucked off. They spent a fortune last year building 2 new studios complete with live rooms and 4 or 5 monitoring suites. More work's gone on around the electronics area too. I wonder how informed they were of a possible move when they used a big part of their budget in a part of the uni that'll be demolished.

So do we know what'll be happening with the music department if that corner is to be demolished? It's located in the corner of the Calverley/Portland section. I'm intrigued because I've got 2 more years minimum in this part and have yet to be told anything about a move in sites. If this 20 storey tower is to be done by 2008, I can't see how we'd be going back in there for the new year considering the size of the job.

Now here's some news and also a bit of a conundrum, at least to this addlepate. Tomorrow's City Centre Plans Panel is considering LMU's proposals for the redevelopment of the Portland Gate site behind the Civic Hall. Phase 1 will comprise the university's new 5-storey Business School which was reported on here some time ago.

http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/vco/reflect/images/06/feb07-1-small.jpg

http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/vco/reflect/images/06/feb07-2-small.jpg

http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/vco/reflect/images/06/feb07-3-small.jpg


The Business School will site immediately behind the Civic Hall, hence its relatively low height. The second phase is what's puzzling me. According to the report submitted to the Plans Panel, this phase (fronting Woodhouse Lane) will be made up of commercial offices, hotel, residential, education and retail uses. This will rise from 26 metres and 7 storeys at the northern end of the site to 77 metres and 26 storeys at the southern end (the corner facing Portland Crescent.

Now, is this 26-storey tower a replacement for the 20-storey tower on the corner of Calverley Street as reported by ps60 in the first post on this thread?

Or, is this an entirely new development? The Plans Panel report is quiet on the matter.

One final thought. Where does this leave the small car park behind Walkabout? Any chance that this might be given over to the arthouse cinema once planned for this site?

I think they're two different schemes in close proximity to one another.

LMU

http://www.dlgarchitects.com/images/project/project_0037_02.jpg


http://www.dlgarchitects.com/images/project/project_0037_03.jpg


http://www.dlgarchitects.com/images/project/project_0037_01.jpg

Portland Gate (obviously there'll be some changes here)

http://www.smithdimes.co.uk/images/portland-gate2.jpg


http://www.smithdimes.co.uk/images/portland-gate1.jpg


http://www.smithdimes.co.uk/images/portland-gate3.jpg

EDIT: Bugger, those images were good n'all
I assume that what we'll get is a re-designed version of DLA's design for Portland Gate

http://www.leeds-cityscape.co.uk/portlandgate.jpg

right, so the LMU 5 storey business school is on the site of old Civic Hall extension which was demolished around 10 years ago and is currently a temporary carpark for council staff.

As Di Livio rightly says, this could lead to a revised version of the Taylor Woodrow scheme for Portland Gate as the 3rd image on aviator's post shows a car park (although looks like tennis court IMO) behind the new business school - clearly the current Portland Gate carpark fronting Woodhouse Lane.

As for the big yellow thing - good lord, like to see that get past the council, especially as those on the infirmary side will have to look out over it on a daily basis. That side though is prime for something better - the low rise concrete blocks are fairly uninspiring. Can't see them demolishing and replacing the Calverley Street tower though - sure it only got a facelift a couple of years back.

Either way, interesting times - what ever is built needs to be sympathetic to the Civic Hall, and will be on one of the most elevated sites in the city centre.

there gonna sell of the 1960's blocks land, and build all the new stuff to replace lost floor space. some of the new buildings will be spread around the city. so not all will be built at there current site.
the car park is leeds met land, not the council's

I really like that 'thing'. Like a nut with a shell split round it... But yeah its good and will certainly be a landmark if it gets built!

right, so the LMU 5 storey business school is on the site of old Civic Hall extension which was demolished around 10 years ago and is currently a temporary carpark for council staff.
Any pics of this? I don't remember it?

Any pics of this? I don't remember it?

oh boy, you are going to regret asking for that old fruit. Remember this thing, demolished in 1999:

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7809/civichallextension26lb.jpg

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4898/civichallextension6wj.jpg

courtesy of the Leodis database. This thing was a concrete monster!!!!

BRUTALism in every sense of the word.

Oh, and with regards to that yellow blob like thing, it looks like something you'd find in the futuristic land area of a theme park, but for some reason I really like it. It'd definitely become a landmark.

I'd forgotten how ugly that ramble of concrete sprawl was at the back of the Civic Hall (the little bridge was its only redeeming feature, well..it's only feature), thank goodness it's gone now.

Now here's some news and also a bit of a conundrum, at least to this addlepate. Tomorrow's City Centre Plans Panel is considering LMU's proposals
Any news on the outcome?
Thanks the pics Jimbo - still can't remember it though - probably blocked it from my mind! So where did all the council staff go that worked in there?

Any news on the outcome?
Thanks the pics Jimbo - still can't remember it though - probably blocked it from my mind! So where did all the council staff go that worked in there?

probably places like the Leonardo Building on Rossington Street next to the Civic Theatre and opposite the Electric Press. I think that was finished around 1998-1999.

Think there are loads of ancillary council offices spread around the city though.

Well it's all starting to progress, perhaps 2008 isn't such a pipe dream

Construction News bulletin received at lunchtime today:

Castlemore bags £275m Leeds development
Developer Castlemore Securities has won preferred bidder status on a £275 million regeneration scheme in Leeds for Leeds City Council and Leeds Metropolitan University. more...

No more news I'm afraid, until I can find a copy and see what they are saying. £275m is a huge development - Clarence Dock and Wellington Place in their entirety are worth £200m each, so this has to be rather epic, starting with the site behind the Civic Hall and I presume refer to the rebuild of the old 1960s towers.

don't know much about Castlemore Securities. Their website is silent on Leeds, but maybe the news might break on it later in the week. They haven't updated the news since August 2005, so don't expect too much. The only other scheme I know they are involved in is the Holburn Viaduct site which I cycle past everyday. Apart from that, website suggests they are focused on commercial / retail parks.

Castlemore Securities (http://www.castlemore.co.uk/index_frame.asp)

What one earth are the risks involved with a 130m venture? And who might be underwriting it? Sheffield hosted the World Student Games about 20 years ago – new stadia, etc – at a lot less than this - and they are still paying off the debt….. Or is there something I'm not reading that's there in the posts?

Different/new images of Rosebowl?: http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/the_news/slideshow/images/06/rosebowl.htm

Different/new images of Rosebowl?: http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/the_news/slideshow/images/06/rosebowl.htm

Bit of a bugger that the car park will face Woodhouse Lane.

http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/the_news/slideshow/images/06/rosebowl/Rose-Bowl-from-civic-hall.jpg

Bit of a bugger that the car park will face Woodhouse Lane.

http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/the_news/slideshow/images/06/rosebowl/Rose-Bowl-from-civic-hall.jpg


I think that's a temporary arrangement until the second phase comes onstream. That's the one with offices, hotel, residential use and a range of buildings along Woodhouse Lane rising from 7 storeys at the northern end to 26 storeys at the southern end. Otherwise it would be, as you say, a bit of a bugger to have nothing but a car park fronting the road.

It's not temporary. The uni is building out into the city, trying not to collate in one spot too much.

It's not temporary. The uni is building out into the city, trying not to collate in one spot too much.


??? You've lost me there, old man.

di Livio was talking about the car park facing Woodhouse Lane, as you can see in one of the images on the LMU site. I was pointing out that the car parking arrangements are temporary, ahead of the development of the second phase of the plans. I quote selectively from the report submitted to the 25 May meeting of the City Centre Plans Panel:

"Phase 1 relates to the southern part of the site and is designed to meet the current and future needs of LMU's Faculty of Business and Law.....The proposed building would be 5 storeys high (as seen in the pics)........The phase 1 development will provide 283 car parking spaces (201 in the basement and the rest temporarily on the phase 2 site)"

The full report, on the City Council's website, gives all the current information on LMU's plans for the whole site (Leeds City Council (http://www.leeds.gov.uk/files/2006/week21/inter__def94b72-f76d-4744-ab35-728f40b96dfb_05d21f21-0fda-44ef-a2d7-45bc6410fe6e.pdf)).

I think that's a temporary arrangement until the second phase comes onstream.

Goodo.

I seem to have created some confusion by not referring to the image below.(is it a car park or a tennis court?!)

http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/the_news/slideshow/images/06/rosebowl/birds-eye-view.jpg

a range of buildings along Woodhouse Lane rising from 7 storeys at the northern end to 26 storeys

26 storeys on Woodhouse Lane? Crikey.
That would have been classed as a 'result' anywhere in the city three years ago. It's easy to get blase' about these things in the post-Bwp era. :cheers:

This project should hopefully be moving towards a start in the not too distant future as serious tendering is going ahead as we speak. Although not high rise, I think this Rose Bowl development is very substantial for Leeds, in quality and boldness of architecture; the sort of thing that may win architectural awards when complete. This is important for Leeds as we don't seem to get much 'award winning' architecture, plenty of high rises coming on which is most important, but not many of prize winning quality architecture.

I think that's a temporary arrangement until the second phase comes onstream. That's the one with offices, hotel, residential use and a range of buildings along Woodhouse Lane rising from 7 storeys at the northern end to 26 storeys at the southern end. Otherwise it would be, as you say, a bit of a bugger to have nothing but a car park fronting the road.

absolutely - was a bit confused earlier on the car park issue, but see what you all mean. A little council car park directly behind the Civic Hall and in front of the new Faculty of Business and Law, and then a smaller temporary car park (which is currently the main Portland Gate carpark) covering the rest of the site directly fronting on to Woodhouse Lane. As aviator has discovered, this is going to be the site of the mixed use 26 storey scheme. Another tall tower on a very elevated site! Lawks. Could be a bit close to the Civic Hall, bit of looming action going on, but suppose the Leeds Met towers do that already.

I think the Rose Bowl is going to be a great little addition on a bit of a mess of a site which has been stuck in temporary car parking use for ages.

It's on such an elevated site in the city - will it stand a chance of being the highest tall building??

??? You've lost me there, old man.

di Livio was talking about the car park facing Woodhouse Lane, as you can see in one of the images on the LMU site. I was pointing out that the car parking arrangements are temporary, ahead of the development of the second phase of the plans. I quote selectively from the report submitted to the 25 May meeting of the City Centre Plans Panel:

"Phase 1 relates to the southern part of the site and is designed to meet the current and future needs of LMU's Faculty of Business and Law.....The proposed building would be 5 storeys high (as seen in the pics)........The phase 1 development will provide 283 car parking spaces (201 in the basement and the rest temporarily on the phase 2 site)"

The full report, on the City Council's website, gives all the current information on LMU's plans for the whole site (Leeds City Council (http://www.leeds.gov.uk/files/2006/week21/inter__def94b72-f76d-4744-ab35-728f40b96dfb_05d21f21-0fda-44ef-a2d7-45bc6410fe6e.pdf)).


ahh, yes my bad:P

It's on such an elevated site in the city - will it stand a chance of being the highest tall building??


Got 2 high risers which will beat this one.

The Plaza tower- 26 stories is on a higher elevated site and the 30 storey Brunswick place tower will also be on a higher level than this one

this area will be looking very good in 6-7 years time-i hope!
leeds met buildings look good, the plaza-humm-does seem abit budget, and burswick place should be pretty good too.

Should look good for Leeds Met Uni. When will construction of the Rose Bowl (which is a stupid name) begin and how long will it be before the second phase will be constructed on top of that car park?

On a related note relating to the area is there any plans on doing anything about Woodhouse Lane Car Park?

On a related note relating to the area is there any plans on doing anything about Woodhouse Lane Car Park?

A multi-million pound re-clad was mentioned in a council meeting last year.

The Plaza looks budget because it needs to be budget for the student accomodation! I'm sure it will look good in the flesh.

(I think I've got the aspect right here...)
Shame the Rose Bowl won't be visible unless you go the back end of the Civic Hall.

Yeah that is a shame- but I think these type of buildings will change the area from 'the back of the civic hall' to the Rose Bowl- a new area, so it doesn't matter where it is geographically.

It does matter if you can't see the thing without having to go and visit it specifically!
I wasn't talking about the area I was lamenting it not being readily apparent to all and sundry as you drive/walk past. Tucked behind the impressive Civic Hall and not perpendicular to it's current position is IMHO a BadThing

Well where else would they put it, and everything has to be specifically visited to see- nobody sees Millennium Sq/Civic Hall unless they go up there especially.

- but I think these type of buildings will change the area from 'the back of the civic hall' to the Rose Bowl- a new area,

That is a good point, it will create a new area (close to Millenium Square) which wasn't there before, as well as a new building. If it's a good public area, that'll be a priceless addition to the city.

That is a good point, it will create a new area (close to Millenium Square) which wasn't there before, as well as a new building. If it's a good public area, that'll be a priceless addition to the city.

not if the council decide to keep using that space around the back of the Civic Hall as a car park for council officials........ I think they should heed Rob and Leeds No1's advice and use that space as a communal open space and make sure that all council staff park their cars in Woodhouse Lane multistorey - I mean, that's what it's there for isn't it?

Right, think we've got a bit of movement on this one - a news snippet from my Construction News daily e mail update from Thurs:

HBG favoured to go live at Leeds
HBG is tipped to win a £40 million scheme to build the first phase of a huge revamp planned for Leeds Metropolitan University . more...

If I'm right, this could be the new lecture theatre and business school directly behind the Civic Hall. Jolly good, although a big bye bye to the most convenient car park space in Leeds for anyone coming down from Roundhay / Moortown etc etc

it is, pic in cn. looks v bland design though.

it is, pic in cn. looks v bland design though.

Looks OK to me, and is that a curved glass tower to the left? hope so.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g257/Beever_2006/Sample_0.jpg

Looks OK to me, and is that a curved glass tower to the left? hope so.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g257/Beever_2006/Sample_0.jpg


Where is this?

Is it not looking from the steps of Leeds Met down towards the Civic Hall (just behind the tree on the right? If it were not for the new building you would be looking across the gravel car park to the back of Creation Nightclub?

Is it not looking from the steps of Leeds Met down towards the Civic Hall (just behind the tree on the right? If it were not for the new building you would be looking across the gravel car park to the back of Creation Nightclub?

spot on leedslad. The lowrise seems to be the Rose Bowl development featured in renders posted by aviator and di Livio. What I'd suspect is that the glass building on the left of the render must be the remainder of the scheme which is due to have a series of buildings stepping down from 16-17 storeys to 6-7 (I think, but I'm regurgitating one of aviator's considerably more accurate posts)! Great to see the Met kicking this off and that Portland Gate carpark getting a make over and filling in this barren gap on the northern edge of the city centre.

Good thing that the car park site is to be fully built on and I guess with Civic Hall next door the new build should blend in with that. Who are the architects for this scheme and when is it due to start and there be any replacement car parks to replace that lost by this development? Will be good to see the currently depressing looking car park been developed at last though and this would surely improve this end of Leeds City Centre and improve connectiveity between the universities and city centre.

On a related note in the same area I noticed a sign advertising for developers on a small plot of land behind the Walkabout bar. Has anything been planned for here?

Building Design weekly newspaper was saying today that the Rose Bowl has just been given planning approval, a 11,800sq m building, clad in triangulated bolt-fixed reflective glass panels. Work is said to start in March and a second phase has also recieved outline planning. The picture shown looks very hot!!

06/00949/FU/C

Leeds Metropolitan
University

Application seeking permission for
the university business school
(phase 1) and permission for a
mixture of office, residential, hotel
and ancillary commercial uses
(class A1, A2, A3, A4 and D1)
(phase 2)

Car Park
Portland Crescent
Leeds

Approved

28/02/07

City and Hunslet

If HBG have got the tender for phase 1 sorted this could get going pretty sharpish. Shame it doesnt give the height of the second phase, but I'm sure more will come out in due course. :)

Even bigger shame that my favourite car park will be biting the dust. :lol:

06/00949/FU/C

If HBG have got the tender for phase 1 sorted this could get going pretty sharpish. Shame it doesnt give the height of the second phase, but I'm sure more will come out in due course. :)

Even bigger shame that my favourite car park will be biting the dust. :lol:

ditto - very convenient if coming in from North Leeds.

The Rose Bowl building will be on the section of the carpark closest to the Civic Hall, including the site which housed the nasty concrete 1960s extension until the turn of the millenium. Second phase will face the Woodhouse Lane MSCP and the Plaza.

If we have a hotel here, and another on the little car park backing on to Walkabout, it'll be a nice little boost and provide some decent hotel options in the northern part of town which seems fairly sparsely covered at present.

good find evenflow

Another thing regarding this development is that on the Claypit Lane Car Park a notice has gone up saying it will close on the 29th March. Surely this means we should see a proper start on site at the end of March. Would be a good development for this area though, would it purely student or would there be stuff on the ground floor given to retail / leisure uses?

EDIT: Sorry wrong car park its actually the Portland Crescent Car Park which will be closing down.

Agreed val verde this development really needs to be cleared up for me this development so many in the university the pool,rose bowl,tower/hotel.I would really like to see the derelict buldings on the car park near the plaza torn down so we could see brunswick place built the area would really look briliant their with the student tower,tower north,the university tower and brunswick.

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dunno theres something else down the road fromthat aswell aint there resi i think .

Another thing regarding this development is that on the Claypit Lane Car Park a notice has gone up saying it will close on the 29th March. Surely this means we should see a proper start on site at the end of March. Would be a good development for this area though, would it purely student or would there be stuff on the ground floor given to retail / leisure uses?

EDIT: Sorry wrong car park its actually the Portland Crescent Car Park which will be closing down.

ah good, that was going to be my next question, but if its due to shut shortly, then clearly they'll be about to break ground. Expect the bright green and orange colours of HBG on site soon.

Thanks for that update. It has to be a proper mixed use. Student teaching space, a couple of bars / retail opportunities etc, and a number of apartments on top will be a good sustainable mix. Appetite whetted for this one.

Im so glad to see that these blocks may be replaced. I currently have some lectures in them and they are absolutely awful. Small corridors with low ceilings. They are enclosed with no natural light and nasty decor.
They are also bludy hard to find your way around. Bridges connecting different buildings together and loads of stairways with poor signage. They have been modernised in the past but it doesn't help when it comes to navigating your way around to find the room you are supposed to be in. Mezzanine floors everywhere which don't really help. It's a nightmare. When I first joined the University it was unbelievable how lost I got. It actually started to affect my attendance because I was unable to find the room.

It actually started to affect my attendance because I was unable to find the room.

a likely story! Had the dog eaten your homework as well?

I presume you're referring to the Clay Pit Lane Leeds Met campus, which I thought was shut already?

Im talking about the main city campus buildings. The one with blue glass and the three towers surrounding it. Really depressing place to be. I also have lectures in the Northern Terrace which backs onto Queens Square which is completely different and is a really pleasant place to be in. Even though some of the rooms turn into furnaces when it's warm.
The main corridor has really nice Glass windows which the students designed and they resemble church windows which look onto a small courtyard. Looks really cool.

http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/about/ataglance/images/rose_bowl.jpg

I wonder where they will put the students whilst all this work is going on. Becketts Park already has students studying there and Northern Terrace is also full of Built Environment Students. They must have somewhere temporary for people to study.

so any timescale of the many uni developments being built.The new sports pool,the rose bowl,the hotel with offices and resi ,the rose bowl and other develoopments is their any concrete info on these.

http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/about/ataglance/images/rose_bowl.jpg

looks good, low level enough not to impinge on the Civic Hall, and with the taller element behind, not hugely taller (probably a good thing as the site is considerably elevated). the curved glass bowl seems a good idea.

leedsthebest - if we knew of the timescales, we would have posted them on here. The fact that the Portland Gate car park is closing later this month should trigger your neurons and lead to the conclusion that construction on the Rose Bowl is imminent. That's the conclusion I'm drawing. :)

http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/about/ataglance/images/rose_bowl.jpg

What's that on the background?

..

Yep, I remember it being described briefly at the Plans Panel meeting for Phase 1, as a W shape, embracing the Rose Bowl in its centre. You can just about make that out on the render. Some interesting design ideas floating about with this scheme, but I do think the sharp difference in height makes two elements seems a bit incongruous.

A slightly larger version of the pic that Even Flow posted the other week:

http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/the_news/slideshow/images/06/estates/2380_ELEVATED.jpg

I really like this, its interesting but not overwhelming so that it complements the Civc hall. Just a thought, where that flower bed is in the middle of that mini round-a-bout, does any one think that they could put in a great huge fountain there, not modern but sort of neo-classical to complement the old style of the civic hall.

More on this development today that the Claypit Lane car park has closed down and is surrounded by fencing but no work has started yet and the private council car parks behind Civic Hall and next to Walkabout are still open as of today. Surely we would be seeing work start next week perhaps and surely the council car parks will close down soon if those developments are to start on site for the Rose Bowl and hotel behind Walkabout which I believe are meant to be open some time in 2008?

Don't know if anyone has noticed but whilst in town today I noticed the "Old Broadcasting House" part of the former BBC site is now occupied by Leeds Metropolitan University although work on the rest of the site does not appear to have started yet.

Don't know if anyone has noticed but whilst in town today I noticed the "Old Broadcasting House" part of the former BBC site is now occupied by Leeds Metropolitan University although work on the rest of the site does not appear to have started yet.

That's because approval was due on 29th March planning panel meeting. From the pre-report published, John Thorpe and the board were recomending approval, a lot of the harsh criticism seemed to have been mitigated fairly effectively.

Anyone know what the result was?

http://www.leeds.gov.uk/moderngov/Published/C00000173/M00001087/$$ADocPackPublic.pdf see page 93.

Well they have fenced off the carpark behind the Civic hall so that must be good news regarding the result? (and ive lost my regular sunday parking spot, gutted)

Noticed today that the Rose Bowl site behind Civic Hall appears to have started construction as Green and Orange hbg walls have gone up around the site. Surely this means the construction on this development has now started.

Noticed today that the Rose Bowl site behind Civic Hall appears to have started construction as Green and Orange hbg walls have gone up around the site. Surely this means the construction on this development has now started.

Yeah, they now have site offices there as well so it seems to be all systems go. I wasn't in Leeds when the old buildings were on this site so looking forward to it.

Deffinately started. Read this: http://www.lmu.ac.uk/the_news/apr07/rosebowl2_160407.htm

Noticed today that the Rose Bowl site behind Civic Hall appears to have started construction as Green and Orange hbg walls have gone up around the site. Surely this means the construction on this development has now started.

slight downside with the garish green and orange, but absolutely great news. I'm a huge fan of this scheme, and am looking forward to seeing some action.

Senator George Mitchell nonetheless! Good catch Leeds, lets hope he didn't do a 'Mandela' and get the city wrong.

...slight downside with the garish green and orange...

I am delighted to see HBG getting more active in Leeds, as they don't mess about and work extremely fast.

Bet they will finish Latitude before phase one of Greenbank is completed.

lets hope he didn't do a 'Mandela' and get the city wrong.

:lol:

I can't forget that, I remember listening to it live on the radio, Nelson said something like 'hello people of Liverpool' then you heard someone whisper in a loud voice 'it's Leeds' and he said 'oh..er, hello people of Leeds'. Made me laugh for ages, always makes me chuckle when I walk past Millenium Square.

They are tearing down the huge green mound that has seperated the car park from the main road this morning. Loads of little portakabins on site and a big shiny yellow crane.

Get ready to see some developments, I saw the sites for the core marked out and ready to go.

Couldn't see the crane but it was very busy today.

Noticed today that fencing has started to go around the low rise section of Leeds Met Uni on Infirmary Street has had fencing going up on the side of the building shown below:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Leeds_Metropolitan_University.jpg

Does this mean that the planed demolition of this building is imminent and is there still going to be that odd looking yellow globe thing on this site?

Yes I noticed this yesterday as well. The site offices have been placed at the back entrance to Leeds Met.

Noticed today that fencing has started to go around the low rise section of Leeds Met Uni on Infirmary Street has had fencing going up on the side of the building shown below:



Sorry to be pedantic - something I accuse other people of being - but this isn't Infirmary Street

Sorry to be pedantic - something I accuse other people of being - but this isn't Infirmary Street

It's at the junction of Portland Way and Caverley Street.

I think it's time to bump this thread to the top now that construction is underway....

bump ^^^^^

The last time we were updated they were clearing the grassy hill that seperated the Civic Hall from the car park. Are the foundations in yet?

any chance of someone grabbing a cheeky photo. wouldn't mind seeing how they're going. That grassy bank is rather big, so expect that there's a shedload of earth moving needed before they can start on anything structural.

They took a rather large chunk out of the grassy bank close to Walkabout and the car park but then filled it in again. Does anyone know why they would do this?

They took a rather large chunk out of the grassy bank close to Walkabout and the car park but then filled it in again. Does anyone know why they would do this?

Maybe it was to lay the plumbing/electrics to all the site offices? Just a guess.

any chance of someone grabbing a cheeky photo. wouldn't mind seeing how they're going. That grassy bank is rather big, so expect that there's a shedload of earth moving needed before they can start on anything structural.



http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/apm22/5%20June%202007/P1010111.jpg?t=1181165340



http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/apm22/5%20June%202007/P1010112.jpg?t=1181165384



http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/apm22/5%20June%202007/P1010113.jpg?t=1181165420



http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/apm22/5%20June%202007/P1010114.jpg?t=1181165465



http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/apm22/5%20June%202007/P1010115.jpg?t=1181165496

Thanks for the photos Aviator, looks like it's in full swing now.

looked like piling was starting today.

aviator comes up with the goods once again! Top man, thanks.

Lots of activity on site. Note they started demolition of the Uni building on the background.

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/5108/lu1on9.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/1572/lu2jx2.jpg

[QUOTE=JOliver;14034128]Lots of activity on site. Note they started demolition of the Uni building on the background.
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Is that yellow orb building still on to replace that Uni building in the background, i really hope it is because looking up the street from the town hall that really will make an awesome streetscape.

Picture I took yesterday of the demolition of A block at Leeds Met Uni which seems to be advancing quickly and will no doubt be totally flattened soon.

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/9661/dsc00673go1.jpg

No mention as Orgoglioso said of what will replace this yet. Surely they would put something up here straightaway and has there been any planning applications for this site yet for that sphere building or is something else going here or worse are they going to use the site as a surface car park prior to eventually putting something up here?

Picture I took yesterday of the demolition of A block at Leeds Met Uni which seems to be advancing quickly and will no doubt be totally flattened soon.

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/9661/dsc00673go1.jpg

No mention as Orgoglioso said of what will replace this yet. Surely they would put something up here straightaway and has there been any planning applications for this site yet for that sphere building or is something else going here or worse are they going to use the site as a surface car park prior to eventually putting something up here?

Think I read somewhere this was going to be a 20 storey tower block. Havent seen any renders though.

Am i right in thinking this is where the technology/multi media departments were? If so, where are they now?

What is the yellow orb you speak of? Would love to see some renders even if it's not happening.

Am i right in thinking this is where the technology/multi media departments were? If so, where are they now?

What is the yellow orb you speak of? Would love to see some renders even if it's not happening.

http://www.dlgarchitects.com/images/project/project_0037_02.jpg

There you go sir!
It's certainly on the site being cleared but I don't remember if planning permission was ever granted or indeed whether it was a serious proposal. Anyone able to clear up the mystery?

Hope it does go ahead, I love it! A genuine landmark building.

Wow Excellent, thank you.

It's certainly interesting, i'd have to see a few more renders before I decide though.

Wow things are progressing fast. I'm not going to recognise parts of my uni when I get back in October.

http://www.dlgarchitects.com/images/project/project_0037_02.jpg

There you go sir!
It's certainly on the site being cleared but I don't remember if planning permission was ever granted or indeed whether it was a serious proposal. Anyone able to clear up the mystery?

Hope it does go ahead, I love it! A genuine landmark building.

Awful. Just awful. I hope to god this thing is indicative only - I'm sure it doesn't have planning consent.

'Iconic architecture' is one thing but a pointless yellow ball is quite another. Before an inch of this is built I want to know what this building is for and just what the rationale is for it being round and yellow. Buildings without purpose can just stay without build, I say.

This looks like 'daring' architecture for the sake of it. It doesn't even relate well to the new buildings proposed to go with it, let alone the built environment that exists.

If this render, as I hope, is just to suggest that a 'daring' building should go here then fine, let's see a daring building here. It could be a great site for one. But let's do better than a split tennis ball with no other purpose than looking daring.

Its clearly got floors in it for something.

A great iconic building too.

Awful. Just awful. I hope to god this thing is indicative only - I'm sure it doesn't have planning consent.

'Iconic architecture' is one thing but a pointless yellow ball is quite another. Before an inch of this is built I want to know what this building is for and just what the rationale is for it being round and yellow. Buildings without purpose can just stay without build, I say.

This looks like 'daring' architecture for the sake of it. It doesn't even relate well to the new buildings proposed to go with it, let alone the built environment that exists.

If this render, as I hope, is just to suggest that a 'daring' building should go here then fine, let's see a daring building here. It could be a great site for one. But let's do better than a split tennis ball with no other purpose than looking daring.

Each to his own Sir C, incidently what was your knighthood for? ;)

However I'm confused why you on the one hand say that it's a good place for a daring building and then say 'lets do better than a split tennis ball with no other purpose than looking daring', what purpose are you looking for? As LN1 points out it's clearly designed to have several floors making I would assume a good few thousand sq m of space.

I would imagine that the glass building behind would provide at least as much floor space as the building being demolished, therefore the orb (no not the early 90s techo outfit) would provide a net floor space gain to Leeds Met. Given that they are on a marketing frenzy with their tie up with Leeds Rhinos and sponsoring the challenge cup, I would imagine that an iconic campus building would be right up their street.

Each to his own Sir C, incidently what was your knighthood for? ;)

However I'm confused why you on the one hand say that it's a good place for a daring building and then say 'lets do better than a split tennis ball with no other purpose than looking daring', what purpose are you looking for? As LN1 points out it's clearly designed to have several floors making I would assume a good few thousand sq m of space.

I would imagine that the glass building behind would provide at least as much floor space as the building being demolished, therefore the orb (no not the early 90s techo outfit) would provide a net floor space gain to Leeds Met. Given that they are on a marketing frenzy with their tie up with Leeds Rhinos and sponsoring the challenge cup, I would imagine that an iconic campus building would be right up their street.

Sure, of course. But can you tell me the floor heights in that tennis ball, or the classroom sizes? No. Because it is architecture without purpose.

Show me how a building of the exact same dimensions and proportions will benefit the university and I will be right there with you in support. Until then, this looks like wacky architecture for the sake of wacky architecure and I am very unimpressed.

I dont really understand... if thats your argument then in your view everything would be a box- the most profitable, cheapest way to build something in cramming in as many rooms (or offices, shops..) as possible.

Is it a problem to have different shaped buildings. What about Londons Gherkin, Gatesheads Sage, Glasgows Science Centre. Leeds could have an Orb (not on the same scale I realise but same architectural quality).

Is it a problem to have different shaped buildings. What about Londons Gherkin, Gatesheads Sage, Glasgows Science Centre. Leeds could have an Orb (not on the same scale I realise but same architectural quality).

Not at all. But while everybody creams themselves over this 'iconic' building, who is going to tell me what it is for?

Well, we already have the giant golf balls at Menwith hill. Now all we need is a giant shuttlecock, and we'll have the set.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/nsa/stories/codebreakers/menwith.hill.jpg

http://www.dlgarchitects.com/images/project/project_0037_03.jpg


http://www.dlgarchitects.com/images/project/project_0037_01.jpg

i like it will look good very unique IMO

It certainly would be an iconic talking point, and if it was a proper sphere rather than a random Alsop blob, it would be pretty cool for a long time.

A spherical building could be viable with multiple floors inside, but I don't think it could be cost effective as it would need a very specialist structure. I therefore don't think it'll get much further than that vaguely conceptual image.

Well, we already have the giant golf balls at Menwith hill. Now all we need is a giant shuttlecock, and we'll have the set.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/nsa/stories/codebreakers/menwith.hill.jpg

http://www.dlgarchitects.com/images/project/project_0037_03.jpg


http://www.dlgarchitects.com/images/project/project_0037_01.jpg

So erm where are the windows for this development then? Has there been any more detailed plans then this? Also I have heard somewhere that this will be 20 storeys tall. Would this make it the tallest university building in the UK.

Certainly Leeds Metropolitan University would be good to have an iconic building similar to the Parkinson Building of the University of Leeds up the road though as it should give a landmark focus of the university and give it a visual identity and is the orb plan serious or just a vision? Presume the shape of the building looking like an atom it could make a good Physics department?

Reminds me of the millenium dome.

It doesn't look like a professional design to me, more like a students first attempt at designing a building.

I don't think I explained myself very well before.

I have no problem with some sort of interesting, surprising building here.

I don't like this one. It looks pointless and is trying too hard to stand out. And yes, some idea of what the hell it actually is would be helpful.

My major problem is with this thing being described as 'iconic'. 'An iconic building for Leeds... Leeds Met should building something iconic... great to have something iconic here...'

You do not design and build iconic buildings. Buildings are designed and built, and their icon status is determined by the reactions of the society around it.

The Parkinson Building was mentioned. That building is iconic, but it's iconic because it is tall and white and has been on a hill since the thirties, and shown up in the background of enormous numbers of photos of Leeds ever since. It wasn't iconic the day after it was built, it became iconic after years of people meeting on 'the uni steps', years of people pointing to it and asking about, years of people taking a photo of their mum and finding the Parkinson tower in the background when the prints came back.

Iconic isn't something you can build. And when you set out to build something iconic, as seems to have happened here, you end up with something bad, bad, bad, as seems to have happened here.

It is absolutely the wrong way to design a building.

Forget about designing something 'iconic', forget about this stupid notion of 'iconic architecture'. Come back with a building that is good, and the people will decide if it is to become iconic.

Iconic doesn't just need to be the iconic/regal , a building can be iconic/fun. In the right place it is okay even for Brits to let their hair down and be lighter and move away from the dark depressive Victorianism that ceaselessly tends to haunt this nation. I hope this happens... the orb would be wonderful.. it is very 'awake' ... a sphere is always so symbolic and meaningful... very fitting for a University. I hope this develops into something we can be proud of and is not watered down and turned into a limp lettuce.



and maybe an added bonus it will provide to be a good omen for Leeds United . ;)



..and those members here who rant and moan about their hatred of square tower blocks and it's not all about height..well they should love this design.. it certainly is neither square or sky skyscraperish. See ... proof that the architects read this forum and listen to your concerns.



It looks pointless and is trying too hard to stand out.
this kind of innovative design only works if you go all the way..it is when they are toned down too much they fail to be what they were intended ti be that they become too lame to work. I feel it must be brave enough to be a show piece and really stand out and speak or it should not exist.

http://www.dlgarchitects.com/images/project/project_0037_03.jpg

Aren't the windows to the left and right of the black core?

yep loook like windows or balconies to me.

it looks too expensive to build to me... but it's be great to have. Probably end up with a cheaper simple square box building with a little golden ball sculpture plonked outside...but for now we can dream. :yes:

The site this week:



http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/apm22/13%20July%202007/P1010238.jpg?t=1184363237



http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/apm22/13%20July%202007/P1010237.jpg?t=1184363394



http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/apm22/13%20July%202007/P1010236.jpg?t=1184363853

It's really hard to take pictures of the Rose Bowl site due to the fact there are no breaks/windows in the hoardings, and the topography doesnt help. However, if you look through the gates you'll see how much excavation they've done so far - crikey!
Anyway, demolition of the other block is nearly done.

http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/6893/1000840xd6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

so the contrsuction of the round globe thing is taking place, and all we have is a hazy cartoon sketch of it? ie we havent a clue whats being built here apart from the fact that is something globe shaped

Is there still a tower for this?

I remember about 3 years ago when Leeds Met announced they were adding new facilities, they spoke of a tower due to be the tallest in Leeds.

It was only a 25ish story tower, the idiots.

Anyhoo, is it part of this or have they jibbed the tower idea?

Well 3 years ago we didnt have Bridgewater Place, so could just have been Leeds' tallest tower. Going on storeys not metres at least.

so the contrsuction of the round globe thing is taking place, and all we have is a hazy cartoon sketch of it? ie we havent a clue whats being built here apart from the fact that is something globe shaped

There is nothing at present to suggest anything is about to built here. They just be taking advantage of a quiet summer campus to clear some redundant buildings.

I assume we can look forward to the arrival of a crane quite soon.



http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/apm22/12%20August%202007/P1010122.jpg?t=1186759766



http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/apm22/12%20August%202007/P1010123.jpg?t=1186759967

On Friday:



http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/apm22/24%20August%202007/P1010130.jpg?t=1188227753

It's coming along quite quickly then. Is the building that's connected to the Civic Quarter completely demolished now then?

A couple of shots of the cranes today, this one shows the large basement excavation.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7d702b3127ccebc289f72e9e500000026101QZM2rhs4Yo

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7d702b3127ccebc289f74e9e300000026101QZM2rhs4Yo

pity about the sky, but you can't choose the weather.

Here's another shot showing the massive excavation and the frenzy of activity on site today!!!

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/larsseelig69/BleinheimWalk008.jpg

Lookey here folks!

http://160.9.137.11/view/index.shtml

It helps pass the day. :)

Thats well exciting! I hope its in colour during the day its black and white and slightly grainy at night - not as good quality as le prince really

There seems to be a hint of colour on the green/orange of HBG, so I expect by day when theres more light, there will be more colour.

Yes, it is colour. That webcam is really good- certainly something to be watching!

http://160.9.137.11/view/index.shtml

i still dont get it. This building is now clearly under construction. yet there is pracitically no images or details of what is being built. How can that be? Surely images and renders had to be made so that the council could decide wheather to approve it or not.

Company generally only produce artists impression if they need to sell the project i.e. to potential owners

or

sometimes for the council if they think it may be difficult to get planning . .. . they can also be used to hide things, if a render look almost real people are so amazed they dont look at the quality of the design just the quality of the render

i still dont get it. This building is now clearly under construction. yet there is pracitically no images or details of what is being built. How can that be? Surely images and renders had to be made so that the council could decide wheather to approve it or not.

Here's a few images ..

http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/vco/reflect/images/06/feb07-1-small.jpg

http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/vco/reflect/images/06/feb07-2-small.jpg

http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/vco/reflect/images/06/feb07-3-small.jpg

http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/the_news/slideshow/images/06/rosebowl/Rose-Bowl-from-civic-hall.jpg

wow looks great. i like it :)

what's this then

http://www.dlgarchitects.com/images/project/project_0037_03.jpg

Oh right, so this construction isn't that big ball?

What's the other Leeds Met thing going on further down the hill?

Oh right, so this construction isn't that big ball?

What's the other Leeds Met thing going on further down the hill?

They've demolished the old building, that's as much as we know. The tennis ball render is for that site but I don't think it's actually planned.

The big ball, as far as I am aware, is going to be built where they have relatively recently knocked down the other buildings. Although the ball seems to be a concept rather then set in stone so watch THIS space.

The rose bowl is an excellent piece of design. If it is up to scratch, it will probably the best new buildings in Leeds for a while. Who says you need height!

digging in the tunnel with Oscar, digging in the tunnel all day all day. (kudos to Jonny5, Short Circuit 2, sometime in the late 1980s).

groundworks progressing, expect to see steelwork by Xmas.

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/953/img1614bb3.jpg

(kudos to Jonny5, Short Circuit 2, sometime in the late 1980s).

lol. A surprinsingly good sequel if i remember rightly.
Wasn't there an white American actor blacked up and pretending to be an Indian in the film? Not sure how politically correct that is.

lol. A surprinsingly good sequel if i remember rightly.
Wasn't there an white American actor blacked up and pretending to be an Indian in the film? Not sure how politically correct that is.

that would be Fisher Stevens http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001770/

He played it with a 'strong' Indian accent. Classic movie, after Footloose a movie that properly utilised the power ballads of Bonnie Tyler through the climatic denounment use of Holding Out For A Hero. :D

Shows the horrific impact of terracotta and grey on the skyline in the background...

A matter of tastes, I like the way they show up against the grey nothingness beyond, and that they make the Civic Hall stand out as a genuine quality architectural gem without being lost amongst modern fake architecture.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/apm22/24%20August%202007/P1010130.jpg?t=1188227753

Whats the name of the other Leeds Met project just on the corner of the campus by the LGI and Civic Hall(to the top right of picture)? And what are the details of the plan, from somewhere ive heard 20 storey tower!!! Is that true??

You can magnify the (familiar) render.

http://www.lmu.ac.uk/lbs/rosebowl/insider_editorial.pdf

http://www.lmu.ac.uk/lbs/rosebowl.htm


http://www.lmu.ac.uk/lbs/images/top_rosebowl.jpg

Right further to my previous post, does anybody know what is going on at the corner of Calverley Street and the Leeds Met City Campus just next to the Rosebowl site???
Im sure they are two different builds, not just all collectively called the Rosebowl!!! Please could somebody inform me, im excited if it is truly a 20 stroey tower for this bit of town!!! :)

There is a webcam for this site that we use in lectures for Advanced Construction Tech.
It's a live stream webcam so it's not time lapsed.
The groundfloor slab is in with column formwork being done.
They were busy pouring concrete the other day.

I'd put it on here but the university are able to see who accesses the site so I'd probably end up getting into trouble.

Here it is..

http://160.9.137.11/view/index.shtml

:okay:

Here's some pictures of action on site here today... its really busy, as you'll see...

Overview...

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/larsseelig69/ConstructionPics9-11-07009.jpg

Crane Crossover...

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/larsseelig69/ConstructionPics9-11-07010.jpg

The Left hand side of the site...

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/larsseelig69/ConstructionPics9-11-07011.jpg

The Right hand side of the site...

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/larsseelig69/ConstructionPics9-11-07012.jpg

The massive hole is finally getting filled up!!! :)

nice update mate - will be above ground level shortly, and I guess pretty fully formed by next summer. Hasn't taken that long for the floorplates to appear has it?

any movement on the cleared site across the road?

I couldn't see in the site on the corner last time I walked past. The fencing around the perimeter is quite high.

First signs of the Rose Bowl frame have appeared this week; a steel frame in the corner nearest the LGI. Two or three stories above ground level, out on their own. Progress!

http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/vco/reflect/images/06/feb07-4-small.jpg

http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/vco/reflect/images/06/feb07-4-small.jpg

What is this? This is not the Rose Bowl Sphere...

There is absolutely no progress, on the other Leeds Met site on the corner opposite this one!!! It still a piece of nicely tilled mud, is there even a planning application for this or a render???
Im lucky to be working on floor F of the Jubille wing at LGI in Cardiology, they have a rooftop garden which affords amzing views of the city, im gonna try and get my hands on a good digital camera and snap some shots, i can see directly down on the Leeds Met action!!! :)

What is this? This is not the Rose Bowl Sphere...

I don't know what or where it is! But i can guess it's an old render for the corner of the Rose Bowl nearest the Uni and Woodhouse lane.

The steal work is going up here already.

The steal work is going up here already.

Better keep an eye on it then.

Heres a webcam for construction.
http://160.9.137.11/view/index.shtml

First signs of the Rose Bowl frame have appeared this week; a steel frame in the corner nearest the LGI. Two or three stories above ground level, out on their own. Progress!



http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/apm22/11%20December%202007/11December2007021.jpg?t=1197744186



By the way, given that the titles of the other construction threads have now made more consistent, shouldn't this thread get the same treatment?

Here's a photo from yesterday! Its really progressing and the ground floor is looking finished all over the footprint of the developement!

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/larsseelig69/ConstructionPics9-11-07118.jpg

looking good

Looks like theres a third crane up know

Any Chance of some photos, so the rest of the world can see whats happening, even stills from the Web cam, in day light hours would be apreciated. Or is everybody down at Luminere ;)
:)

Just look at this. It's a livestream cam so you can watch the work go on during the day (if you want)

http://160.9.137.11/view/index.shtml

Steff its not much good at 2 am unless the uni is going to put some big floods up to light it up a bit.
Hence the daylight still request.

:cheers2:

Today on the webcam:

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/oootle/rosebowl.jpg

When I was in town yesterday there was a tower crane that looked near to this sight so which site was this crane in

When I was in town yesterday there was a tower crane that looked near to this sight so which site was this crane in

Could have been The Plaza or the old BBC studios site. Both are neat this site

Today on the webcam:

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/oootle/rosebowl.jpg
Thanks Tom :okay:
can see the frames moved on a bit from last picture of site, but looks like no decking fixed yet.

the crane was on the south side of the site and was a wight crane

A couple of pics from yesterday:



http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/apm22/8%20Jan%202008/8Jan2008039.jpg?t=1199969063



http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/apm22/8%20Jan%202008/8Jan2008041.jpg?t=1199969104



http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/apm22/8%20Jan%202008/8Jan2008042.jpg?t=1199969134



http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/apm22/8%20Jan%202008/8Jan2008043.jpg?t=1199969167



http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/apm22/8%20Jan%202008/8Jan2008044.jpg?t=1199969196


I think this last shot is of a sample of the glazed panels that are going to be used on the central drum of this development.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/apm22/8%20Jan%202008/8Jan2008044.jpg?t=1199969196

I think this last shot is of a sample of the glazed panels that are going to be used on the central drum of this development.

They look really 'funky' a lot better than terracotta and grey tiles

They have now started to put the steel frames in for the actual bowl bit in the middle, should have a good idea what the centre bit will look like in about 2 weeks!

Im really looking forward to this, its a quality developement, one of very few in Leeds unfortuneately.

The Rose Bowl itself:

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/oootle/IMG_0049.jpg

Looks very nice! Should be a really high quality development.

:cheers2: tomd89 for photo.

Try detailing that and getting it to fit without computers :)

Taken today

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Naboo-01/L1000832.jpg

Cool, looks like fine weather in the Republic of Leodis.
If you check the webcam, you can see this is making good progress further up Portland Way.

I'll take a few photos of this tomorrow. It's really starting to move quickly now.

great update team - cracking headway being made! I've high hopes for this, and really really praying that the finish is way above the lowest common denominator we've seen so many times. The green glazed panels look entertaining.

Looking forward to update, as the bowl should be an amazing structure. :)

I walked past this today and I was surprised how small it was. Wasn't there a rumour, going back a year maybe, for a hotel planned for where the portacabins currently are or am I just getting confused with the hotel on the small carpark opposite the Rose Bowl site?

I walked past this today and I was surprised how small it was. Wasn't there a rumour, going back a year maybe, for a hotel planned for where the portacabins currently are or am I just getting confused with the hotel on the small carpark opposite the Rose Bowl site?

Phase Two will be built on the area where the portacabins are, from the back of the Rose Bowl to Woodhouse Lane. It only has outline permission at the moment; if I remember rightly, three buildings rising in height from level with the Rose Bowl to Woodhouse Lane (I can't remember storey heights at the moment). A hotel element was proposed, along with student flats and other university accomodation.

Separate to that is the hotel on the small car park you mentioned.

Phase Two will be built on the area where the portacabins are, from the back of the Rose Bowl to Woodhouse Lane. It only has outline permission at the moment; if I remember rightly, three buildings rising in height from level with the Rose Bowl to Woodhouse Lane (I can't remember storey heights at the moment). A hotel element was proposed, along with student flats and other university accomodation.

Separate to that is the hotel on the small car park you mentioned.

about 11 storeys - was a TaylorWoodrow scheme proposed about 3 years back (Portland Gate it was known as), but all quiet on developers as LMU stepped in to take half the site and get cracking on Rose Bowl (go tuition fees....) clearly giving LMU a bit of punch in terms of cracking on with their development plans. Expect something slighter taller for the rest of the site, I recall a mixed use scheme of University space, retail, commercial etc etc. Not sure they are planning resi here though.

http://www.leeds-cityscape.co.uk/Portland_Gate.htm

I think it combines parts of what we're each saying Jimbo! Thanks to Aviator and Even Flow's posts near the start of the thread, I pinned down the Plans Panel Minutes (http://www.leeds.gov.uk/moderngov/ieListDocuments.asp?CId=173&MId=1079&J=16) to find out exactly what there is permission for here. Phase One is the Rose Bowl, obviously, and Phase Two, in outline:

Phase 2 would be for commercial uses in two buildings which had been designed to slope inwards towards each other and be separated by a narrow pedestrian access linking Woodhouse Lane to the proposed landscaped courtyard between the two phases... Regarding the height of phase 2, Members were informed that one block would be 6-10 storeys in height with the other being 8-12 storeys. As the mix of uses on each level had not been determined, (only a minimum to maximum range of floorspace was being proposed for each use), it could be necessary for the floor to ceiling height to change to accommodate the particular use at any level. Because of this consent was being sought for an overall maximum building height of between 45-50 metres for the tallest block...

LMU still need to apply for Reserved Matters for Phase Two, so the finer points of detail (the design, exactly what 'commerical uses') aren't known yet.

Nothing to get excited about, but this is another image of the scheme (microscope required).

http://www.lmu.ac.uk/lbs/business/rosebowl/photo1.jpg

Other renders indicate what could potentially go behind the Rose Bowl. i like glass and white stone, let's have more of it please.


http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/about/ataglance/images/rose_bowl.jpg


http://www.lmu.ac.uk/lbs/images/top_rosebowl.jpg

Perfect day today for taking pictures. Not amazing quality but I was in a rush to get to a lecture so had to be quick. Can everyone see them? Sometimes photobucket just comes up with red x's.

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Good update. The main tower of LMU still looks pretty good. That must have been the first re-clad i ever saw and it still holds up well.

Which faculty will be based here?

Which faculty will be based here?

LMU Business School.

:applause: well done steffan, shame the bowls not progressed much, but its all comming on from the earlier photos :okay:

:bowtie:
I'll get some more next week so we can see the progress.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5325/1001015vd1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Will the car park be redeveloped?; I hope so. A grassed area would work well here.

I doubt the car park will be going as it is needed by the Civic Hall, a nice resurface would do wonders though.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5325/1001015vd1.jpg

On another note, the college of technology building would look very nice if they replaced the windows with some new ones. It is a well made building, much better than some of the plastic tat put up today.

I agree. But the car parking could be presented a bit better. I know that it is needed, but they could squeeze the car parking into the middle of the U shape of the Civic Hall, and then only have a narrow strip for parking along the back (in the same way West Park Stray and Crescent Gardens is here). Some grassed area could be installed then. It's about using space more innovatively, and in the long term, it's unrealistic to think that all city centre buildings can afford to have their own parking areas. I feel that in the end, some new large multi storey car parks, or better access from the existing ones, should be built. Therefore, each building will not need car parking space next to it.

^^
Why not dig it into the ground and put a park on top level with the lower GF there of the Rose Bowl, possibly terraced down the hill with cafe, and small shop units or public service related units in along the front edge on one or two levels down the slope:

^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ :Cheers: for photos Even flow, shows a bit of the scale now of the Bowel section from that angle.

I was going to say that, but I thought I might as well be realistic here. The cost of building an underground car park for the sake of some parkland... it's just not going to happen. Especially when it's a university and council involved; don't really have money to waste

thats why i suggested thr comercial or public space as it enables some funding gain. If public (arts) related use could be incorporated then grant (lottery) money can part fund, say with the University. Car parking space is quite expensive per day and the new MSCP at St Paul development has been sold on a lot of money pre completion ( it incorporates a Casino and retail space below it)

There will be car parking in the basement of the Rose Bowl to make up for that lost to make way for the development.

There will be car parking in the basement of the Rose Bowl to make up for that lost to make way for the development.

We were talking about the car park between the LMU Rose Bowel and the Council Building, and effectivly how ugly it is and should the ground be landscaped.
Thus i sugged a underground MSCP with roof garden :)

Taken Today

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great photos steffan88 its really coming allong, looks like a great building.

I found this site by accident.

I'm the steelwork contractor and also supplying the precast stairs. Good to see a few photos.

You cant believe the headaches in the Y columns.

To fill you in both the Faculty Building and Rosebowl will be completed to Level03, floors concreted and then when cured we will run our manlifts at this level to erect the upper phase.

Bet you didnt think this would be fabricated in Northern Ireland?

Anyone any questions on the project?

Barry.

Hi Steeler, thanks for your input. I presume the large 'Y' frames are individually fabricated from flat bar pieces welded together to form their triangular section, then welded together to make the complete 'Y' piece? Presumably they were designed with a 3D CAD package.

I think this is the first substantial architectural steelwork we've seen in Leeds (except perhaps the roof trusses in Leeds Station), but I've seen such complexed finish architectural steelwork on other projects. I like to see them close up, to see how they're made up from a geometrically complexed collection of basic parts 'supersized' up (the roof 'trees' in Terminal 5 as a particular example).

Rob,

The Y columns taper in depth from the top and bottom to be widest at the node point.

These are made up of plates varying in thickness from 20mm to 55mm depending on load / location. Weights range between 3 & 7T. They were welded using submerged arc welding which was then finished by hand to give the appearance of a triangular member. The profiling of the plates was extremely labour intensive as we had to profile a chamfer to the leading edges.

It was detailed on Strucad.

I have various photos taken during fabrication and erection but cant see how to post them? any help?

Barry.

You will need to upload them to an image hosting site, such as Imageshack or Photobucket, then get the URL address and paste it between and . e.g xxxxx.jpg

Welcome Steeler

Wondered who the steelwork contractor were, as v Complex details, woulden't fancy detailing it by hand.
Wouldent be construction to use a local firm like Billingtons or Barretts or coopers. ;)

Detailing those connections so that they can actually be assembled and bolted up, looks very difficult.
Are the Nodes bolted up on the floor into sub assemblies, with the columns, then lifted and fitted together or built up insitu piece by piece?
Any plans of the bowl available. ?

Are the Main beams in the Bowl Plate girders ?

Are the deliveries turning up to schedule as last year i was having loads delivered to ROI and they were hit and miss turning up to schedule.
Are you shipping the PC stairs in from NI as well or are the local supply and you fit.?

Rosebowl latest news, from Leeds Met

http://jade.lmu.ac.uk/lbs/events/2008/rose_bowl_gov/index.htm

Apologies for the large sizing.



South West elevation
http://jade.lmu.ac.uk/lbs/rosebowl/drafts/sw_elevation.jpg


South East elevation
http://jade.lmu.ac.uk/lbs/rosebowl/drafts/se_elevation.jpg


North West elevation
http://jade.lmu.ac.uk/lbs/rosebowl/drafts/nw_elevation.jpg


North East elevation
http://jade.lmu.ac.uk/lbs/rosebowl/drafts/ne_elevation.jpg


Landscaping
http://jade.lmu.ac.uk/lbs/rosebowl/landscapes/WT1318L02.pdf

They do look like a bit of a bugger to detail. I'm a structural engineer (well... a 'student' engineer) and i've done various bits of steelwork (mainly for warehouses) so I can sympathise with you. :lol:

Looks like a stunning building though. :yes:

Bully,

Believe it or not we are more competitive and offer a better service than these others ie we are supplying steel, decking , temporary handrails and precast stairs.

We are the 3rd biggest fabricator in the UK.

Detailing was ver difficult.

We started the Rosebowl erection with the central core then Each Y has the relevant node fixed which is then tied back to the central core working around to complete the full circle at each level.

There are 4no. Plate girders in the central core of the Rosebowl.

Are plans available - of what? We have full sets of plans, elevations and 3d views by ourselves.

Our deliveries are 100% as this is fabricated, painted, dispatched and erected by our own personell.

The pc stairs are in our contract but we are using a Yorkshire company to supply and fit for various reasons.

Hope this helps.

:cheers: Steeler for info

Any chance of posting up the 3d strucad render as I would think it will look amazingly complicated. And yet they give a better idea of how it all fits together than straight plans and elevations do.
Did an Octagonal building a few years ago, and the biggest problem was the precast deck fitting in.
But the frame work fore this withall that raking steel looks a lot more complex. (looks like Easi-Edge on there);)


:cheers: De Livio for the external renders there. It looks well in those. The cladding to the Bowl is it glass or Metal panels as its described as fritted ?

Excellent work Di Livio. Looks stunning. I was up close to this the other night and was staggered by the amount and the intricacy of the steel. It looks quite small, but I'm sure that it will appear to grow when glazed. The renders make the building look light and almost transparent, but you really appreciate how it's held together when you get close.

I also expected it to face the other way for some reason (obviously not been reading things carefully enough). At first I was disappointed, but then realised that facing the courtyard of the Civic Hall was an excellent idea. It will create an exceptional space. I just hope that it works with Woodhouse Lane at the back.

Anyone missing the Civic Hall Annexe?

I'm having problems viewing the landscaping details. Anyone able to get them on here?

the question must be asked... what is going at the back. On some renders there is a car park thing and on others there are more buildings. which is the case?

the question must be asked... what is going at the back. On some renders there is a car park thing and on others there are more buildings. which is the case?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=18215115&postcount=186

http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/teaching/vsite/gallery/photos/rosebowl/03aerial.jpg


http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/teaching/vsite/gallery/photos/rosebowl/04aerial.jpg

Looking good. So is there any indication of stuff being planned for the land between the underconstruction Rose Bowl and the A660 as well as for that plot of land at the top left of the picture at the main Leeds Met Uni site which was demolished last year. Certainly this development is good in increasing the density of the top end of town.

Great aerial pics - where did you get them from?

So is there any indication of stuff being planned for the land between the underconstruction Rose Bowl and the A660

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=18215115&postcount=186

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=18215115&postcount=186

Thanks. So presumably it should start relatively soon after the Rose Bowl is completed? As for the site adjoining the main Leeds Met Uni building is it still unconfirmed what is happening there as surely it can't be a good thing to leave an empty plot here just when another plot which has been developed only now has been used only as a car park for many years.

Well they can't leave it for too long as part of the cladding on the main building was removed when the building was demolished so something will have to replace it soon.

The cleared site is to be home to a new "Senator George Mitchell Centre for Conflict resolution Studies" :)

Thanks. So presumably it should start relatively soon after the Rose Bowl is completed?

Since they haven't even applied for full planning permission for anything yet, you presume wrong.

Since they haven't even applied for full planning permission for anything yet, you presume wrong.

Considering the Rose Bowl will have at least another year to go before construction is complete, I see no reason why a new development opposite would not be ready to launch with planning permission.

Considering the Rose Bowl will have at least another year to go before construction is complete, I see no reason why a new development opposite would not be ready to launch with planning permission.

...but there is every reason not to base 'presumptions' on things which haven't happened yet.

the Rose Bowl structure today

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b8dc36b3127cceb56e6dad969d00000026101QZM2rhs4Yo

Great aerial pics - where did you get them from?

I can't find the link - it was a Leeds Met georgaphy department case study website.

Thanks for the photo Rob.

That's the Rosebowl erection complete to Level03. We have commenced the decking of this area and expect to have it ready for pouring by Friday.

The upper Phase of the Rosebowl where our manlifts will run on level03 will commence 10/03 so you wont see any increase in the structure until then.

The Faculty building will be erected on level03 for the near future.

the Rose Bowl structure today

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b8dc36b3127cceb56e6dad969d00000026101QZM2rhs4Yo

They are really moving ahead with construction on this one very quickly. Are they trying to have it ready for the new academic year in Sept?

It says opening Spring 2009 on the sign I think.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5821/webcamnb9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Getting ready to pour the plaza area (which is actually part of the roof of the underground car park.)

Looks like the second floor is being used as a materials store!

Getting ready to pour the plaza area

et voila.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3429/webcam2fo7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Note the magical flying box in the top left.

Looks like Steeler et al have almost finished decking the rose bowl as well. :)

:cheers1: for update Even flow, easier to see in daylight on web cam. Surprised non of student members taking photos from LMU buildings windows, or area they all staffareas on that side ?


Whats been 'Stored' on 2nd floor is some of the steel work for level 3, looks like the parts for the corner section can be seen waiting to go up. As the site is tight for space its more efficent to use as a lay down area for fixing the edge protection barriers on and pre assembling some parts

Is the center section at the back a glazed screen / atrium ?

The aerial photos the other day show the building further down the site than i thought it was. Had it down in my head as being more to were the cabins are sited and the surface parkings going :(

So not as big a space to the town hall building as assumed fro how i perceived it.

You guys are guessing!!

The level currently poured at highlevel is actually Level03. We will be loading steel and deck onto this as our manlifts will run on this level to erect Level04 & 05.

It's much quicker to have the steel and a banksman close.

The floating box is one of our site offices which we keep on the floor where the erectors are working.

Yes the area adjacent to the offloading space is a glazed Atrium.

The end furthest from the camera is being left down for access but is the mirror image of the first phase.

:cheers: steeler
Missed the flying Container office there :lol:

Floors and levels are always an issue as to what they are designated as by the Architect's.
If the atrium sections an entrance and thus new slab ties in at GF, then 1st and 2 nd floors erected, with lower level slab beinf LGF or basement. but if Lower slab = L0 then L1 = GF, L2 = 1st, L3= 2nd floor ;).

Is it sprayed fire protection or are Fireproof Boards to be used on this ?

1st fix Mechanical services should be starting soon on lower floors
and walls to stair cores and basement.

The standard EU designation for a ground floor is 00, that's why we could assume the top floor on the photo is 02. If that is 03, then the floor naming protocol has gone tits up and the basement must be 00. :lol:

According to the renders theres another 2 floors to go aswell as a massive box on the roof.

Ok lads.

The main entrance of the building is at the far end of the site ie underneath the Rosebowl is ground floor which matches the ground level of the council building opposite. The rear of the site which you can see is higher.

It' simple.

Tom, both areas are contructed to Level03 currently and will recieved 2further levels (you'll see the Faculty rising this week). The box to the top isnt overly big and is the plant enclosure.

from Woodhouse Lane MSCP (the security guys are right nosy, and despite paying to park the Jimbomobile they took issue with my hastily snapped, errr, well, snaps.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9748/img1897ug3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

They have a notice near the top floor saying that it is illegal to take photos. Not got a clue why!

:lol:

Im going to take some pictures of this in the week. I'll just have to be quick.

Ok lads.

The main entrance of the building is at the far end of the site ie underneath the Rosebowl is ground floor which matches the ground level of the council building opposite. The rear of the site which you can see is higher.

Oh yes, that's clear from this photo of the Civic Hall side of the site.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b8dc36b3127cceb56e6dad969d00000026101QZM2rhs4Yo

Steel now going up for top 2 floors

See Web cam today http://160.9.137.11/view/index.shtml

Edit: web cam Image from today
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/Daveb_design/Misc/lmurosebowl28-2-08.jpg

I didn't realize, it's easy to get shots from the webcam.
My company blocks live feed, but there is a button on the webcam page called snapshot, and that works ..

http://160.9.137.11/jpg/image.jpg?timestamp=1204215760953

Interesting Rob the Photo/link you posted yesterday is a live snapshot as had todays date when loaded page up just now, and if you then refresh page it updates. :)

New steelwork.
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7761/1001047yx3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

On Tuesday:



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http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3240/rb2ek9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Back underway with the Rose Bowl itself.
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/334/rb1kj1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.dlgarchitects.com/images/project/project_0037_02.jpg


Can anyone in the know tell me what's going on on this site and where we're at, if anywhere, with the sphere? Cheers