Shanghai Subway Network system by 2020
By 2010, shanghai would have more than 400 km subway network. Currently, only 100+ km.
By 2020, at least 800+ km.

This map is a little bit old, there're some minor changes since then.

1.M4: scheduled to open by the end of this year(2005).
2.R2 west extension: scheduled to open by mid of 2006.
3.M3 north extension: scheduled to open by mid of 2006.
4.L4: completed by the end of 2006.
5.M8: completed by mid of 2006.
6.R4: west part of it would be completed before 2006.
7.M7: still in construction, don't know the time to be completed.
8.M1,R3 will be started soon

http://img177.echo.cx/img177/1373/shanghaisubwaynetworkmore6ua.jpg

how much station??

How could they built the network so fast? When did they start?
And is that the river that divides Pudong and Puxi?

its china we are talking about here ok, everything is in a pace that makes normal countries look like they stand still, and yes thats the river, pudong on the right side...

what the fuck are you going to do bitchhhhhhh
your mum sucks my dick
then she sucks my cock what dont tell me what to do be4 u get fucked like a dog by your bitch. you fucking neeky basterds

YOU CHINIES BASTARDS

^ :runaway: Goodbye :wave:

Amazing! Build so many line's in a short time!

excellent news

glad to see the city over investing in its public transport

Skyscraper construction seems to of slowed down in Shanghai though, lots of empty lots and little construction in pudong now

whats happening?

That's gonna be a massive network! I didn't even know Shanghai had a subway, even though it is so big.

Looks kinda confusing too.

How could they built the network so fast? When did they start?
And is that the river that divides Pudong and Puxi?

Right, the river is called Huang Pu river. 'West' in chinese is 'Xi', while 'east' in chinese is 'Dong'. Therefore, west side of Huang Pu river is called Puxi, and east side of Huang Pu river is called Pudong.

R1 is the first metro line built in shanghai. Opened in 1996, started construction in the late 80s.

how much station??

around 400 stations in the central area

Funny how some cities can put down 300 stations without question, in a very short time. And Toronto cannot put down 10 stations without funding problems and it took 10 years.

PS. Good luck getting home from work.

How many stations are there right now? And after 2020, is that the end of construction? Is there a map with station names in English? That's phenomenoal how much is being built right now. Is Beijing going through something similar (especially with the Olympics coming)? What's the difference in naming lines L, R and M?

China is just AMAZINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

This rail network will relieve headaches for many Shanghai residents. Buses and cabs are horrendously inaccurate due to intense traffic congestion, and meagre existing rail coverage fails to serve most people.
How many stations are there right now? And after 2020, is that the end of construction? Is there a map with station names in English? That's phenomenoal how much is being built right now. Is Beijing going through something similar (especially with the Olympics coming)? What's the difference in naming lines L, R and M?
There are around 45-50 stations, if I estimate correctly. I only frequent two of the 4 existing lines (yes, only 4 out of 18 lines are in operation!). No, I do not know of a construction plan map with English names, only one with the existing lines. Beijing is building more track, but it will take a miracle to catch up with Shanghai. Beijing metro was started decades earlier, but has stagnated ever since the original two lines, with the city far more spread-out and therefore extravagantly costly to adequately cover with rail transport.

As for the L/R/M categorisation, I can discern no pattern. The existing lines are R1, R1 extension, R2, and M3. R1 is both underground and at-grade, whereas R2 is completely underground; M3 is an elevated heavy-rail line; I have not ridden R1 extension before, having no relatives in that part of town. M4 is definitely underground, as I witnessed the construction of several of its stations.
Funny how some cities can put down 300 stations without question, in a very short time. And Toronto cannot put down 10 stations without funding problems and it took 10 years.

PS. Good luck getting home from work.
Public-works inefficiency is one of democracy's more conspicuous disadvantages, albeit still minor compared to the blessing of accountability. One has to thank the Communist Party for these massive construction projects; thanking them always takes courage. ;)

Is that map supposed to have 400km of railways or 800? Guess what the 800km net will look like if there are "only" 400km on that one...

Is that map supposed to have 400km of railways or 800? Guess what the 800km net will look like if there are "only" 400km on that one...
The map has over 800km of rail, and leaves little to the imagination. If it didn't, our imaginations would be overwhelmed. ;)

Public-works inefficiency is one of democracy's more conspicuous disadvantages, albeit still minor compared to the blessing of accountability. One has to thank the Communist Party for these massive construction projects; thanking them always takes courage. ;)
just like the magnetic-levitated train
the communist just put all money on those massive construction to prove that communist is better than democracy
how silly they are when their country is still full of poor framers that share nothing from the stupid investment

just like the magnetic-levitated train
the communist just put all money on those massive construction to prove that communist is better than democracy
how silly they are when their country is still full of poor framers that share nothing from the stupid investment
You are like one of those fools that think we should halt space exploration because some people on Earth are still poor; backwards thinkers that have no faith in technological advancement and therefore humanity. History is frought with pitfalls where new inventions proved too expensive or inefficient; if this is one of them, then so be it.

Instead of flaming like someone with an sheltered upbringing that thinks he knows all, how about looking at the truth of this rail system? If China became a democracy in 1979 instead, it would have languished in a cesspool of impotence and corruption, and today it would be closer to Bangladesh or Zimbabwe than the economic superpower it is. Not only would the project be drowned in a quagmire of indecision, the country would never have become rich enough to afford it in any form whatsoever, poor peasants or not. Poor democracies stay poor; rich ones stay rich. People in rich countries exclaiming the system's virtues like evangelical priests don't seem to know that successful transitions from poverty to wealth, e.g. Korea, Taiwan, and Singapore, are usually done under authoritarian governments; these nations may change to democratic systems after economic prosperity. The inherent short-sightedness of democracy allows for stability and accountability in a mature government, but completely stifles and destroys the long-term ambition required for economic advancement. Why would ignorant, uneducated third-world taxpayers/voters care an ounce about the national good and future prosperity, when they don't understand long-term needs? Whoops, they don't.

All I said in my above post was that such quick construction is due to Communist administrative fiat, that democracy holding officials accountable is laudable, and that thanking the commies is risky business, yet you came with a typical Western misinformed diatribe. I might as well invent a conspiracy theory where rich democracies scheme to install impotent democratic governments in order to forestall possible rising powers. It's no more immature of a theory than thinking maglev trains are for denouncing democracy. :lol:

Oh, and one thought that might amuse you: considering the poverty of China's peasants and that they entail a majority of the population, a free democratic election would likely elect a socialist or communist government that in turn, against the poor masses' will, surrenders socialism and commences reforms: just as China is doing today.

just a short question, because I cannot read chinese:

could somebody pleas mark the "south station"( to big round thing, see the other thread about it),

I would like to know where it is in this big network....

just a short question, because I cannot read chinese:

could somebody pleas mark the "south station"( to big round thing, see the other thread about it),

I would like to know where it is in this big network....

Here is:

:)

http://img117.echo.cx/img117/2869/shanghaisubwaynetwork20yz.jpg

Golden Loon: Shame shame on you!! Some people like you are still ideological biased. I believe you haven't got a slightest clue on what's happening in China, really suggest you to arrange a visit to China including Shanghai.

A few facts for your reference:

Shanghai is such a dynamic, huge, and thriving metropolis, it's definately in needs of a sophiscated metro system.

If the development of Shanghai - commercial centre of China, stagnated, the rest of country including those poor rural population would be bound to lose the country's economic momentum.

In a developing country like China, the wealth disparity would continue to last over in a certain period. But we are evidencing dramatical changes - China has lift 200mt ppl out of poverty in the past 20 years, and is planning to urbanize another 200mt of rural population in the next 20. I believe no other western regime would never ever accomplish such achievement.

Why the communist party bother to build such a "small" project as the country as a whole has been enjoying a average annual growth rate at 8% for 20 years, dwarfed many other developed and developing countries.

China nowadays is communist in politics, capitalist in economy practice. Probably you don't even realize it, or unwillingly to accept.




just like the magnetic-levitated train
the communist just put all money on those massive construction to prove that communist is better than democracy
how silly they are when their country is still full of poor framers that share nothing from the stupid investment

just like the magnetic-levitated train
the communist just put all money on those massive construction to prove that communist is better than democracy
how silly they are when their country is still full of poor framers that share nothing from the stupid investment

Nowadays, it's not so easy to find such a fool like you, I'm just too lucky. :)

You probably should ask your american daddy to stop all the fancy stuffs and supports the poors on this earth first.

Hey, there are still so many people in this world even don't have enough food to eat, why the hell you are still using computers and barking around?

Here is the same map with some additional captions. Existing routes are highlighted, north-south lines in green and east-west in red. Note how few lines are currently operational:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87/Proselight/subway.jpg

Funny how some cities can put down 300 stations without question, in a very short time. And Toronto cannot put down 10 stations without funding problems and it took 10 years.

PS. Good luck getting home from work.
in average, a brand new subway line can be built in 3.5 years in Asia. That can be building 5 lines at once and still take 3.5 years because much more people would be working on it.

which lines are under construction?

which lines are under construction?
M7, M8, and L4 are under construction, as well as "Metro Line 9"; I am unsure which of the mapped routes that is. M4 is far behind schedule after a cave-in.

Maybe M is for Metro, L for Light rail, and R for Regional (like commuter rail)?

Maybe M is for Metro, L for Light rail, and R for Regional (like commuter rail)?
M3 is a light rail line, or I would have concluded that too.

M3 is a light rail line, or I would have concluded that too.
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no, M3 is a Metro line, not a light rail line

hahahaha
all the shanghainese pointed their gun toward me
you guys think that i have never been to shanghai? well i have been to most major cities of china and taken the magnetic-levitated train
u know what i mean－－面子工程，a construction that is only to let the the world to praise the development of the communist in china, how stupid it is, you guys know the truth clearly, how many people take the train daily? don't tell me the bullshit like technological advancement , WTF, u shanghainese invent the magnetic-levitation? don't be that naive, even german and japanese give up to use that technology that is non-practical!

even their givernment does badly , but no people dare to complain or whatever, you guys just read the newspaper that praise your government everyday, shit

hahahaha
all the shanghainese pointed their gun toward me
you guys think that i have never been to shanghai? well i have been to most major cities of china and taken the magnetic-levitated train
u know what i mean－－面子工程，a construction that is only to let the the world to praise the development of the communist in china, how stupid it is, you guys know the truth clearly, how many people take the train daily? don't tell me the bullshit like technological advancement , WTF, u shanghainese invent the magnetic-levitation? don't be that naive, even german and japanese give up to use that technology that is non-practical!

even their givernment does badly , but no people dare to complain or whatever, you guys just read the newspaper that praise your government everyday, shit

And you must be the most ignorant, close-minded person I have ever seen. You think that just visiting places makes you know everything!?!!?! Dude, with your mentality, you don't know shit. Did you ever bother to think that China is still a DEVELOPING country? For a developing country, they have many sophisticated, high-tech things that even surpass developed countries. Their development is nothing short of amazing. Only stupid people like you cannot see it or even worse, don't bother to see it. Here's a few tips next time:

1) learn to write English with proper grammar
2) learn to spell words (like government) right
3) don't ever talk again

面子工程 - this may well apply to certain developments in China, but definitely not Shanghai's subway - it's necessary to relieve the gridlock, if you ever had the chance to car around in Shanghai by car/taxi.

haha SHANGHAI GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

不是偷拍：上海帮泡妞照片曝光（组图）
2005年3月20日 星期日
【看中国报导】为争妞军警驳火送医急救的事已经司空见惯了，不过透露出来的确实不多。

动向杂志2月刊披露说，O五年头一天，元旦晚上，湖南省军区俱乐部发生公安干警和武警酗酒后因争「舞后」而互扔酒瓶、桌椅的殴斗。最后，出动军区的执巡人员，鸣枪阻止。在互殴中，有三十多名军警受伤，分送四家军方医院救治。

成克杰就没有这么幸运，他对宋祖英稍微热情了点儿，江泽民就直接把他送入了火葬场。

要说“黄”，咱红色中共可是“繁荣娼盛”，不但窝里搞，还到处输出娼妓，竟然让禁嫖的阿富汗政府采取了强硬拆台措施。去年三月，海南省曾向中共中央、国务院提出在海口、三亚、琼海、洋浦、文昌等五个市建赌博业、红灯区，向外全方位开放的报告。

云南省公安厅十五名科、处级干警，于2004年8月14日（周末），到某宾馆集体享受免费嫖娼。据省纪委讲，公安干警常到宾馆白吃、白拿又白「玩」。

监狱里嫖娼卖淫更红火，沈阳监狱的有夫之妇女警官陪关押的黑社会头子睡觉，河北一座监狱以建文明监狱为名，去年增设了红灯区供服刑人员享用，河北省关押的服刑者，纷纷要求转到此监狱服刑。官方乘机开列价目，按刑期计算，一年刑期收一万至五万的转移费，创收迅速增加。

中共高层由上海帮，也就是江家帮把持，虽然四季发情的黄菊到北京走马上任，但上海滩依然是嫖淫满视野。对于那些老淫棍来说，这不是耻辱，而是光荣，是与时俱进。要不怎么82岁的杨振宁在老婆去世不到半年就赶紧来大陆定居与28岁的大陆女“各取所需”。

去年，由《人民日报》、《解放军报》授权，对上海市民的民意调查显示：上海市民最强烈的民意有三方面：（一）要求舆论监管市、区二级领导，公开公布财产和经济状况；（二）反对高干特权，要求他们应当管教约束家属、子女；（三）反对医疗、教育乱收费，要体现人民医院、人民教育。此项民意调查是六月下旬进行的，但至今仍压住未公开。

确实是不能公开，因为这些要求一条也办不到，别的不说，就说“管教约束家属、子女”吧，就做不到。

下面是2003年几张去K房“视察工作”的上海市小萝卜头儿官员、嘉定区朱桥镇书记们淫乱的图片，这可不是偷拍的，是他们对着镜头摆好了姿势，让人拍照的。

耻辱？No.共产党干部说二奶包少了──丢份！不嫖不赌，那还是共产党的先进份子吗？

2004年年初，河南省纪委曾下令：党员干部包养情妇、搞婚外情者，一律撤销党内外职务；嫖妓者开除出党、开除公职！但，八月中旬，省纪委又下达通知：「暂缓执行上述有关决定」。据悉，自年初下达有关决定后，省纪委已接获数千宗包养情妇、搞婚外情的举报。

所以，真淫乱的要包住别露馅，真反腐的要给编出几个情妇施行“双规”，中国共产党需要的就是会淫会奸会贪会占的，这也就是为什么我们可以看到这些证明经济实力的照片──没钱谁往你怀里扎？！(人民报)


http://secretchina.com/news/news_images/2005-2-15-shanghailuan7.jpg
http://secretchina.com/news/news_images/2005-2-15-shanghailuan9.jpg
http://secretchina.com/news/news_images/2005-2-15-shanghailuan10a.jpg
http://secretchina.com/news/news_images/2005-2-15-shanghailuan6.jpg
http://secretchina.com/news/news_images/2005-2-15-shanghailuan4.jpg

Golden Loon is from Hong Kong or Taiwan? Singapore? Malaysia?

hahahaha
all the shanghainese pointed their gun toward me
you guys think that i have never been to shanghai? well i have been to most major cities of china and taken the magnetic-levitated train
u know what i mean－－面子工程，a construction that is only to let the the world to praise the development of the communist in china, how stupid it is, you guys know the truth clearly, how many people take the train daily? don't tell me the bullshit like technological advancement , WTF, u shanghainese invent the magnetic-levitation? don't be that naive, even german and japanese give up to use that technology that is non-practical!

even their givernment does badly , but no people dare to complain or whatever, you guys just read the newspaper that praise your government everyday, shit


one to say.the power of pudong airport will be 8 times bigger than today in 2020.

haha SHANGHAI GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

不是偷拍：上海帮泡妞照片曝光（组图）
2005年3月20日 星期日
【看中国报导】为争妞军警驳火送医急救的事已经司空见惯了，不过透露出来的确实不多。

动向杂志2月刊披露说，O五年头一天，元旦晚上，湖南省军区俱乐部发生公安干警和武警酗酒后因争「舞后」而互扔酒瓶、桌椅的殴斗。最后，出动军区的执巡人员，鸣枪阻止。在互殴中，有三十多名军警受伤，分送四家军方医院救治。

成克杰就没有这么幸运，他对宋祖英稍微热情了点儿，江泽民就直接把他送入了火葬场。

要说“黄”，咱红色中共可是“繁荣娼盛”，不但窝里搞，还到处输出娼妓，竟然让禁嫖的阿富汗政府采取了强硬拆台措施。去年三月，海南省曾向中共中央、国务院提出在海口、三亚、琼海、洋浦、文昌等五个市建赌博业、红灯区，向外全方位开放的报告。

云南省公安厅十五名科、处级干警，于2004年8月14日（周末），到某宾馆集体享受免费嫖娼。据省纪委讲，公安干警常到宾馆白吃、白拿又白「玩」。

监狱里嫖娼卖淫更红火，沈阳监狱的有夫之妇女警官陪关押的黑社会头子睡觉，河北一座监狱以建文明监狱为名，去年增设了红灯区供服刑人员享用，河北省关押的服刑者，纷纷要求转到此监狱服刑。官方乘机开列价目，按刑期计算，一年刑期收一万至五万的转移费，创收迅速增加。

中共高层由上海帮，也就是江家帮把持，虽然四季发情的黄菊到北京走马上任，但上海滩依然是嫖淫满视野。对于那些老淫棍来说，这不是耻辱，而是光荣，是与时俱进。要不怎么82岁的杨振宁在老婆去世不到半年就赶紧来大陆定居与28岁的大陆女“各取所需”。

去年，由《人民日报》、《解放军报》授权，对上海市民的民意调查显示：上海市民最强烈的民意有三方面：（一）要求舆论监管市、区二级领导，公开公布财产和经济状况；（二）反对高干特权，要求他们应当管教约束家属、子女；（三）反对医疗、教育乱收费，要体现人民医院、人民教育。此项民意调查是六月下旬进行的，但至今仍压住未公开。

确实是不能公开，因为这些要求一条也办不到，别的不说，就说“管教约束家属、子女”吧，就做不到。

下面是2003年几张去K房“视察工作”的上海市小萝卜头儿官员、嘉定区朱桥镇书记们淫乱的图片，这可不是偷拍的，是他们对着镜头摆好了姿势，让人拍照的。

耻辱？No.共产党干部说二奶包少了──丢份！不嫖不赌，那还是共产党的先进份子吗？

2004年年初，河南省纪委曾下令：党员干部包养情妇、搞婚外情者，一律撤销党内外职务；嫖妓者开除出党、开除公职！但，八月中旬，省纪委又下达通知：「暂缓执行上述有关决定」。据悉，自年初下达有关决定后，省纪委已接获数千宗包养情妇、搞婚外情的举报。

所以，真淫乱的要包住别露馅，真反腐的要给编出几个情妇施行“双规”，中国共产党需要的就是会淫会奸会贪会占的，这也就是为什么我们可以看到这些证明经济实力的照片──没钱谁往你怀里扎？！(人民报)


http://secretchina.com/news/news_images/2005-2-15-shanghailuan7.jpg
http://secretchina.com/news/news_images/2005-2-15-shanghailuan9.jpg
http://secretchina.com/news/news_images/2005-2-15-shanghailuan10a.jpg
http://secretchina.com/news/news_images/2005-2-15-shanghailuan6.jpg
http://secretchina.com/news/news_images/2005-2-15-shanghailuan4.jpg

你没资格用中国字。

你没资格用中国字。
because i know things that your government never let you guys know?
and hey can my shanghainese buddies recognise who they are in those pictures?
若要人不知,除非己莫为
关于上海政府腐败的新闻我多的是,然而你们还整天歌颂你们的烂政府

I'm sorry, but 800km is hardly believable considering Tokyo has only 232km and is just as huge as Shanghai subway, as planned for 2020.

http://www.reed.edu/~reyn/tokyo.subway.gif

because i know things that your government never let you guys know?
and hey can my shanghainese buddies recognise who they are in those pictures?
若要人不知,除非己莫为
关于上海政府腐败的新闻我多的是,然而你们还整天歌颂你们的烂政府

Isn't KTV socializing part of doing business and governing in China? This happens in all North East Asian countries. Happens in Korea and Japan as well, what so surprising? :)

Isn't KTV socializing part of doing business and governing in China? This happens in all North East Asian countries. Happens in Korea and Japan as well, what so surprising? :)
i showed the light one to keep you shanghaineses' faces
you wanna me to show something more interesting?

Golden Loon knows a lot. Now everyone here admires his justice, purity and nobility :)

So, no more politics please. It's a thread for those who intrested in Shanghai subway system, not a place to dump political garbage.

It's natural China got some sophisticated traffic system. When Haussmann completed his reconstruction plan in 1850s, Paris was the most modern city in the world. But it's obviously old-fashioned when comparing with Pudong, a city of 1990s.

to Substructure
I think 800km contains metro, city LRT and magliv.

Golden Loon knows a lot. Now everyone here admires his justice, purity and nobility :)

So, no more politics please. It's a thread for those who intrested in Shanghai subway system, not a place to dump political garbage.


Loon is interesting. He doesn't seem to know there are many foriegners reading this forum, and if he is from China, then he is washing dirty laundry in public - http://www.nedstatbasic.net/stats?ACW67A0kBW0+hT/EfI6g/DYEriig.

If he is an overseas Chinese, then he would be better off spending his time preparing his migration to America, Canada or Australia.

M3 is a light rail line, or I would have concluded that too.
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no, M3 is a Metro line, not a light rail line
Then why does everybody call it a light rail? :)

People, time to get back on topic.

just like the magnetic-levitated train
the communist just put all money on those massive construction to prove that communist is better than democracy
how silly they are when their country is still full of poor framers that share nothing from the stupid investment

Shutup stupid crap. Shanghai has a population of 15 million and they need mass public transportation. They have a real need for these subway. You are just jealous of Shanghai as China is getting more and more prosperous.

Then why does everybody call it a light rail? :)

People, time to get back on topic.

:)
People tends to call a train running on the elevated railroad "light rail", but actually there is no difference between M3 and M1 in terms of transportation capacity, which is well regarded as the guideline of classifying light rail and heavy rail(Metro).

i showed the light one to keep you shanghaineses' faces
you wanna me to show something more interesting?

i'm so proud of your great interest. you're such a wonderful person with great personality.

how many lines are there now? i was there in 2002 and i think there were only 2 lines...

how many lines are there now? i was there in 2002 and i think there were only 2 lines...

So far 4 lines are available. They are R1, R1 ext, R2, M3. In fact, the public transportation system mostly based on the bus system. You could check this site, and count how many bus lines Shanghai has.

http://www.eastmanagers.com/shanghai/bus.asp

Something close to 500+ bus lines.

sunny ,i am fucking your mum,she is sucking my dog`s dick.we are happy.
ha ha ha ha

:)
People tends to call a train running on the elevated railroad "light rail", but actually there is no difference between M3 and M1 in terms of transportation capacity, which is well regarded as the guideline of classifying light rail and heavy rail(Metro).
Thanks for the definition. Wonder what to call it now in Chinese, with residents only used to "轻轨" and "地铁". :)

Wrong forum

This is not a highrise development... Please post future threads in the correct forum.

Wow... Darn proud of Shanghai! Tokyo planned subway seems big but it is only 232 km, is Shanghai really going to have 800km of subway lines?

Gosh!! I can't believe that Shanghai has a total of 400 subway stations,is it really true?

There will be 250 km by 2007 and 400 by 2010. If you think about it, this is possible. it has 123 km currently and there are three lines being built in addition to three extensions. the extensions are the northern extension of line 3 to baoshan, the western extension of line 2 to hongqiao, and the southern extension of line 5. the ones expected to open by 2007 are line 6, 8, and 9. This practically doubles the number of services, which accordingly doubles the mileage more or less. Then in 2010, there will be four more lines, but this time, they are mostly regional meaning they connect suburbs to the downtown area, therefore, they will have longer mileages. so yea if you consider it logically, its feasible.

It seems like that in 2200 Shanghai will have the world's most effective railway system. :cheers:

Nice projects for Shanghai!

Like I say about criticizers, they are just jealous. Keep up what you guys are doing!

It seems like that in 2200 Shanghai will have the world's most effective railway system. :cheers:

2200,?

2200,?

Typo, I mean 2020 :D

That is a really exciting news.
Those criticizers are just losers. They felt left out by the majority of Chinese people otherwise why did they bother to bash? :D
Go Shanghai!

what sucks about this system is that though by 2020 Shanghai is going to have a population over 20 million, its metro does not have local/express services, at least not according to the map plans. Going from Chongming island to Huangpu having to suffer through every stop can be excruciating. why does the Shanghai municipal government not incorporate any express services?

drunkenmunky888,
I think those maps are just for overviewing the futue system - probably not that detailed that they would show expresslines and such.
I'm sure the transit planners in Shanghai have thought of building expressways as well.

what sucks about this system is that though by 2020 Shanghai is going to have a population over 20 million, its metro does not have local/express services, at least not according to the map plans. Going from Chongming island to Huangpu having to suffer through every stop can be excruciating. why does the Shanghai municipal government not incorporate any express services?
All they have to do to implement express service is make trains skip stations. Not a big logistical challenge, methinks.

Fantastic! Well don Shanghai.

Now, I have one main question. One reason that Tokyo "only" has 223 km of metro is because there is a massive suburban rail network that complementes the metro. Now, Shanghai is building 800 km (!!! :eek: ) of metro. Does this mean that they intend to have the metro be by far the main mode of transport in this multi-million person metropolis or are there significant plans for suburban rail?

In any case, congratulations! :applause:

Heihei, Guangzhou is also expanding its metro length to 255km before 2009 and 650km by 2020.
7 metro lines are now under construction in Guangzhou and more are planned.

Let's see which city will have the longest and the best metro system in China by that time:)

All they have to do to implement express service is make trains skip stations. Not a big logistical challenge, methinks.

Not true. I'm not talking about some lame skip-stop service. I'm referring to legit express service like the kind they have in New York City where they have four track lines where two outside tracks serve local service in both directions and the inside two tracks are express service in both directions. This is impossible for Lines 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 because they have already built two track lines. Hopefully with future lines, Shanghai transit planners will consider this scheme cuz IMO it is one of the best in the world.

hahahaha
all the shanghainese pointed their gun toward me
you guys think that i have never been to shanghai? well i have been to most major cities of china and taken the magnetic-levitated train
u know what i mean－－面子工程，a construction that is only to let the the world to praise the development of the communist in china, how stupid it is, you guys know the truth clearly, how many people take the train daily? don't tell me the bullshit like technological advancement , WTF, u shanghainese invent the magnetic-levitation? don't be that naive, even german and japanese give up to use that technology that is non-practical!

even their givernment does badly , but no people dare to complain or whatever, you guys just read the newspaper that praise your government everyday, shit



说老实话你这个人就是一陀屎，中国人中的败类

Heihei, Guangzhou is also expanding its metro length to 255km before 2009 and 650km by 2020.
Do you have a map for those 650? :D

Shanghai Subway Network system by 2020
By 2010, shanghai would have more than 400 km subway network. Currently, only 100+ km.
By 2020, at least 800+ km.

This map is a little bit old, there're some minor changes since then.

1.M4: scheduled to open by the end of this year(2005).
2.R2 west extension: scheduled to open by mid of 2006.
3.M3 north extension: scheduled to open by mid of 2006.
4.L4: completed by the end of 2006.
5.M8: completed by mid of 2006.
6.R4: west part of it would be completed before 2006.
7.M7: still in construction, don't know the time to be completed.
8.M1,R3 will be started soon

http://img177.echo.cx/img177/1373/shanghaisubwaynetworkmore6ua.jpgSo in 2020, Shanghai will have 800km of commuter railway, metro and light rail, and that there will be:

4 Commuter Railway Lines
8 Underground Lines
5 Light Railway Lines

Does anyone have exact figures for the future Shanghai network of 8 lines cause surely that isn't 800km?

^^
All lines on that map are metro lines. I'm not sure why they are branded differently (R/M/L etc.).

^^ Are you sure? I thought that L lines meant light lines.

So where do the R-Lines go? They seem to leave the map completely...are you sure that someone hasn't become confused and automatically assumed that the map is all metro when by the looks of it more looks like:

R: Regional-Commuter Trains
M: Metro
L: Light Railway

Does anyone have figures for the M lines which look more like metro lines?

As far as I know, there're planned over 800 km. Around 50% underground, the rest are communter and light rail lines. However, not every line has been added to the map yet since they're still under study. Plus, these 800 km don't include the maglev.

More maps

Red= Underground
Green= Light
Blue= Regional (some parts are underground)
Orange= Maglev (approved extension not drawn)
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7247/metroplanos1oa8.jpg

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9369/metro3hl5.jpg

I used to think that the planned Shanghai network was really gonna be amazing, but now it just looks terribly lame. The fact that theres only gonna be 800 km when u include the commuter rails is just pitiful. Tokyo and NYC both have well over 2000 km when u include commuter rails and subways. The coverage is very sparse in the plans and there is a lack of legit local/express four track service. The network better not end up like this

^^ Come one, they'll build more lines after this map becomes a reality. Shanghai subway was opened in 1995!

If Shanghai wants to become an Alpha World City like Tokyo, New York, Paris, and London it has to build more than just 700 km of new railway lines!

z0rg,
None of these L-lines exist today, so I guess we'd have to wait. I'm sure it will be heavy rail though.

Nick Taylor,
You could think that, but it's not the case. I live on top of a station serving three lines, and all of them are heavy rail Metro. One of them, which is completely underground and one of the main metro lines in Shanghai (the number 2, going from east to west), is strangely enough labeled as an R-line in the map above.

The R1 line on this map is the busiest, first built and main metro line in Shanghai.

The L lines (none of them exist as of today) could be planned LRT lines though, but I higly doubt it.

z0rg,
None of these L-lines exist today, so I guess we'd have to wait. I'm sure it will be heavy rail though.

Nick Taylor,
You could think that, but it's not the case. I live on top of a station serving three lines, and all of them are heavy rail Metro. One of them, which is completely underground and one of the main metro lines in Shanghai (the number 2, going from east to west), is strangely enough labeled as an R-line in the map above.

The R1 line on this map is the busiest, first built and main metro line in Shanghai.

The L lines (none of them exist as of today) could be planned LRT lines though, but I higly doubt it.I'm not disputing the fact that the Shanghai network is growing rapidly (although for the city its size it should have been done earlier and on an even larger scale). Yet 800km when you include commuter rail (and light rail) doesn't sound as impressive as the original statement made about it all being metro lines does it! By the looks of it R1 would appear to be a lot like an RER line than a proper metro line what with the extensions that would appear to be going to the far south and north would illustrate this fact. Yet I dread to imagine what it will be like with all those extensions if its already seriously overcrowded. Also having an "L" for the line would probably indicate that its a light-rail line or a system a lot like say the DLR.

800km over some 7,000km² is a start, but theres going to have to be lots more if Shanghai really wants to compare to other cities in terms of size of heavy rail and thats even before you factor in the population! Good work though.

Do you have however the figures for all built, u/c and proposed route lengths for the combined M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, M6, M7 and M8? Although by the looks of it M3 & M4 share route length for some time?




http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9369/metro3hl5.jpg

^^ Constructing over 70 km a year is a good number. I hope they were even faster, but it's okay. Guangzhou is constructing close to 100 km yearly I think.

Nick Taylor,
All I'm saying is that the lines on that map (perhaps excluding the L-lines since they don't exist at all, and may be planned LRT lines - which I doubt) are Metro lines. The lines that are labeled R1 and R2 exist and they are by all means metro lines. Visit Shanghai and you'll see. :)

I agree that the system should have been expanded (or even constructed) earlier, but it will most probably be one of the 3 largest in the world by 2010, and perhaps the world's largest by 2020.

So it's all good. :)

So we have established that the lines with R, L, and M labels are unreliable. So from the way things look, it seems that all 800 kms are metro lines. Now comes the question for commuter rails. It appears that Shanghai officials have not even thought about commuter services yet. How can a city with 7000 sq km and population well over 20 million in the metro area not have commuter trains supplementing the 800 km of metros? This might be potentially problematic when Shanghainese begin to develop their suburbs...

Nick Taylor,
All I'm saying is that the lines on that map (perhaps excluding the L-lines since they don't exist at all, and may be planned LRT lines - which I doubt) are Metro lines. The lines that are labeled R1 and R2 exist and they are by all means metro lines. Visit Shanghai and you'll see. :)

I agree that the system should have been expanded (or even constructed) earlier, but it will most probably be one of the 3 largest in the world by 2010, and perhaps the world's largest by 2020.

So it's all good. :)So the map is made to be confusing?

What I don't understand is the blue lines - clearly they seem to be the "R-Lines". Granted at the moment they are either short or disconnected, but by the looks of with the future expansion it they appear to be RER-like - out one end of the city and out the other.

You can't honestly say that in the map re-posted in my last post is not the 800km network?

According to wikipedia, R lines are underground too despite of not being labeled as M (metro) lines. Ony L lines are on the surface.

Nick Taylor,
I have no idea wheather the map is the 800 km one, or not. I don't even know if this figure is correct, or if the map posted above comes from official sources, or if it's home made by a forumer.

All I can say is that the R-lines on that map is without a doubt metro lines, and nothing else.

z0rg,
Two of the lines labeled as "M" on that map run on elevated tracks on quite long parts (and underground in the rest).

So if you're coming from the far north on that blue line, you'd then change onto R1 and then at the end of R1 change onto another line despite them pretty much being the same continuous line?

If anything the R-Lines sound a lot like RER lines: underground in the city, but above ground and far out into the surrounding metro.

But does anyone have figures for the M-Lines!

Nick,
I'm not sure which "blue line" you are talking about. The red line (labeled as R1 on this map, but M1 in reality) is the main north-south metro line in Shanghai today, just as the green line (labeled R2 here, M2 in reality) is the main east-west line.

The purple "R1 line" is more of a 'commuter train' like line, even though it is metro by definition. It only runs in the suburbs anyway, since the red R1-line ends pretty much where the city ends.

All the R-lines are metro and completely underground (except for two stations on the red line, and that purple line which for some reason is labeled R1 too).

As I said before, I don't even know if this map is a fantasy drawing or from an official source.
If you want to use this map as a source anyway, I suggest you ignore all the line names (R, M, L etc.) since they don't reflect reality at all.

What figures do you want for the M-lines? Two of the lines that are labeled as M on that map exists today - the M3 and M4. These lines are party underground and partly elevated. The stretch where they run side by side is the elevated part (pretty much).

These lines exist today:

"R1" (Purple) - Exactly the same type (rolling stock, frequency, whatever) as all the other lines, with the difference that it runs in the suburbs. So I guess you could call it an "RER-like" line if you want.

"R1" (Red) - The first metro line that was built in Shanghai. It runs from north to south.

"R2" - The main line that runs from east to west.

"M3" - Runs mainly on elevated tracks in the city center.

"M4" - The first ring line in Shanghai. Runs on elevated tracks together with M3, and the rest is underground.

All of these lines that exist today is the same kind of type. The M3 and M4 lines have newer trains (the older lines are being upgraded with the same trains). All the trains and stations on all the existing lines (including the purple R1) have the Shanghai Metro logo and so on.
If anything, the lines that are labeled M3 and M4 on this map are the "least" metro-like since they run on quite long stretches of elevated tracks instead of underground.

I hope this clarifies a thing or two.


Maybe the blue lines on this map are proposed commuter train lines. I have no idea.
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9369/metro3hl5.jpg

R is Regional Express Line, not Regional Commuter Line. R lines go underground in downtown, like a usual subway train, then go above ground (mostly elevated) in suburbs and go underground again in satellite towns.

M is Metropolitan Line, which covers only downtown area.

L is Suburban Light Rail, which connects downtown peripheries (underground) and suburban settlements (mostly elevated).

All R, M, L lines can go underground or elevated when it is necessary. Most of M3 is elevated while L4 is largely underground. All R, M, L stop between somewhat same distance in the downtown area. By nature, all R, M, L lines can be described as subway or metro according to the classical European or North American definition. R lines can in no ways be compared to RER of Paris.

Shanghai has its own commuter trains, which are operated by the national railway board and connect downtown area with suburban districts like Songjiang, Jinshan, Jiading and neighbouring cities like Kunshan, Jiaxing, Suzhou, Hangzhou. One section of the rails formerly used by commuter trains were recently upgraded to Metro Line 3 (M3).

R, M, L are labels only used in the planning phase. After the start of the construction, all lines acquire theirs respective Metro Line numbers. But now even those lines not yet started to build are no more mentioned by R, M, L, since those labels do not say much about their realizations. For example, M3 really goes out of the core downtown into the satellite town of Wusong; L4 goes right through some core downtown areas.

Since 1995, Metro Line 1(R1),2(R2),3(M3),4(M4),5(R1a, actually an L) have been openned. Metro Line 8(M8) has finished its construction and installation, is now waiting for test operation. The construction work of Line 6(L4) and 9(R4) has been mostly finished, are now in the phase of equipment installation. Lines 7(M7), 10(M1), 11(R3) are now in construction. According to some reports, Line 12(M2) & 13(M5) may also be openned before Expo 2010, though originally scheduled for 2012.

By nature, all R, M, L lines can be described as subway or metro according to the classical European or North American definition. R lines can in no ways be compared to RER of Paris...[...]...R, M, L are labels only used in the planning phase. After the start of the construction, all lines acquire theirs respective Metro Line numbers. But now even those lines not yet started to build are no more mentioned by R, M, L, since those labels do not say much about their realizations.
Thanks for clarifying this!
If I understand this correctly, all the lines on that future-map will be metro lines?

Very refreshing to get some reliable info on (any) projects in Shanghai - it's very hard to find, especially on an English speaking forum such as this.

Do you know where to find more info on the transportation systems in Shanghai? Preferably in English.

Thanks for clarifying this!
If I understand this correctly, all the lines on that future-map will be metro lines?

Very refreshing to get some reliable info on (any) projects in Shanghai - it's very hard to find, especially on an English speaking forum such as this.

Do you know where to find more info on the transportation systems in Shanghai? Preferably in English.

Yes. The Municipality of Shanghai is not that huge as it looks like on the map. When the whole network is finished, you can reach the downtown from any station in the municipality within 30 min. If you want to directly reach the satellite towns like Songjiang, Anting, or Jinshan, the commuter trains are actually more preferable. R lines are more for smaller settlements along the route.

I got my infos mostly from www.nhmetro.org, which is a very good forum, but, of course, in Chinese. Jeg vil ogsa ikke forsoke a finde mye om dansk T-banen pa Engelsk. It is frequented by metro fans like me, as well as by the staff of the SH Metro and SH Modern Transp., the two metro operators in the town, so now and then you can get some insider stories.

So those R Lines are part of the Shanghai Subway despite them looking a lot like RER lines as they stretch out into the metro area?

^^
They are metro lines.

So the blue lines (according to the map in post # 85) that go out of the city into the metro area are metro lines? So how comes the R Lines in that future map go off the map if they are metro lines, surely you'd show them to the teminus and not just going off into who knows where?

Don't get me wrong, I just feel that a bit of exaggeration is being used here for what is already spectacular developments and it becomes blurred and confusing when it really shouldn't!

Nick,
I have no idea what the blue lines on the map in post #85 are. Everything I've said in this thread has been referring to the "future map" (which I don't even know if it's reliable or not).

Supposedly, as I've said before, the blue lines on the post #85-map are planned (?) commuter train lines, since they seem to be routed along the same tracks as the regional trains (to Nanjing, Suzhou, Hangzhou etc.) run on. That has nothing to do with the "future map" that was posted before though.

I don't see the point why anyone would exaggerate anything that's happening in Shanghai right now. Rather the opposite - there is just so much going on it's impossible to comprehend. That's probably why it can seem "blurred and confusing" (as you put it) as well - especially for an 'outsider', so to speak.

But the 'future detailed map' clearly shows the R-Lines going off the map... I'm not degrading the system, but highlighting that they are probably more akin to the first phase of RER-type lines, running from the metro area, under the city and then out into the metro area at the other end.

Also surely blurred and confusing should be left to the older less integrated networks :D

:)

I don't really get how they become RER-lines just because they happen to stretch out a little further than the map shows. Would you consider them metro lines if the map showed a bigger area?
The areas which these lines stretch out to is still very, very urban and dense. It's not like they're single family homes sprawly areas.

I'm sure you would without a doubt consider them metro lines if you would come to Shanghai and ride the metro. :)

Well they would appear to extend for quite a long distance. Some consider the RER a metro - RER A is exceptionally busy....but its still a hybrid commuter system which draws people in from the metro area.

That isn't anything to be ashamed about, but it would re-calculate the actual situation that the 800km figures is for ALL of the metro area which includes non-metro rail length is a completely different kettle of fish.

I don't think the RER is the mainly used form of transport within the city center of Paris - the metro is. Just like the the metro of Shanghai, including those lines that happen to stretch a little bit outside that map (but still exclusively running in dense urban environment).
Fact is, two of those lines that you claim are RER-lines, are actually the two most used metro lines in the city center of Shanghai. Hell, I ride on line "R2" every day to and from school - and I both live and work in the central city!
I think you'd realize that calling those lines RER-like would be rather absurd if you visit the city and ride the metro. :)

The 800km figure could very well be for all types of rail transit or something similar - I have never said that that figure is for metro alone. I don't even know if this figure is reliable at all (where does it come from, anyway?).
It wouldn't be surprised if it's for metro alone though, considering the general development in this city.

The fact that Shanghai will have one of the largest metro network in the world within just a few years, and perhaps the largest network by, say, 2020-2025 is something that we have to accept whether we like it or not. :)

I don't think the RER is the mainly used form of transport within the city center of Paris - the metro is. Just like the the metro of Shanghai, including those lines that happen to stretch a little bit outside that map (but still exclusively running in dense urban environment).
Fact is, two of those lines that you claim are RER-lines, are actually the two most used metro lines in the city center of Shanghai. Hell, I ride on line "R2" every day to and from school - and I both live and work in the central city!
I think you'd realize that calling those lines RER-like would be rather absurd if you visit the city and ride the metro. :)

The 800km figure could very well be for all types of rail transit or something similar - I have never said that that figure is for metro alone. I don't even know if this figure is reliable at all (where does it come from, anyway?).
It wouldn't be surprised if it's for metro alone though, considering the general development in this city.

The fact that Shanghai will have one of the largest metro network in the world within just a few years, and perhaps the largest network by, say, 2020-2025 is something that we have to accept whether we like it or not. :)The RER carries fewer people than the Paris Metro....but then London Buses carry 2x more people than the London Underground....what mode carries more people is irrelevant. The fact is, those maps both seem to show central sections and then lines radiating out into the metro....

There might only be a central section now, but clearly they seem to form the central section of a line that will eventually radiate out when all extensions are made.

RER Line A carries 272mppa...the busiest Paris Metro line (Line A) carries 161mppa....

Also surely Shanghai ought to have the largest network anyway - population of what 20mn and god knows that would be by 2025....

I don't think the form of transport is irrelevant since we're talking about rail transit here (why mention buses?). A metro is designed to move people within the city and this is exactly what the Shanghai metro does. More so than metros in many other cities (many systems in the world stretch far out to the suburbs).

Anyway, I don't think we're getting anywhere here. I live in Shanghai, and ride the metro every day, so I think I know a thing or two about the system. :)

I don't think the form of transport is irrelevant since we're talking about rail transit here (why mention buses?). A metro is designed to move people within the city and this is exactly what the Shanghai metro does. More so than metros in many other cities (many systems in the world stretch far out to the suburbs).

Anyway, I don't think we're getting anywhere here. I live in Shanghai, and ride the metro every day, so I think I know a thing or two about the system. :)I'm not disputing your at hand account, but the maps provided clearly show that they extend beyond where they are now! So while it might have the appearence now of a metro, in a few years when all the extensions are built (part of this 800km project) it will more resemble an RER commuter train like service like the future maps provide. Case closed. :D

I'm not disputing your at hand account, but the maps provided clearly show that they extend beyond where they are now! So while it might have the appearence now of a metro, in a few years when all the extensions are built (part of this 800km project) it will more resemble an RER commuter train like service like the future maps provide. Case closed. :D
Well, not quite. ;)
The lines that exist today (and will be extended) doesn't end even nearly close to where the "suburbs" begin.
I live on the last station on Line 2 (Zhongshan Park), which is located in central Shanghai. In other words - extending this line would not make the line more RER-like.

I see your point here, Nick, but I think you should get some more info about Shanghai before discussing this with me! No offense. :)

If anyone is interested http://www.reed.edu/~reyn/transport.html