Spinningfields Open Day. A talk by the architects involved in the Spinningfields development project as well as tours of the buildings. Spinningfields, 8th floor, Manchester House, 18-20 Bridge Street, City centre (0207 291 7970) 9am-4:30pm on Thursday 23rd june 2005. You have to phone to book a place, it is free and open to the public.

I phoned the lady called Sarah Harwood who told me there are two sessions 9:30am and 1pm. Then she just sent me this e-mail of how the 1pm session is layed out ( as that is the session i am going to):

13:00-Graham Skinner of Allied London to show model and explain the whole Spinningfields project.
13:45-Tour of Spinningfields site
14:45-Architect's presentation of the specific buildings within Spinningfields
(by Sheppard Robson, Fosters and Denton Corker Marshall)

So who is coming?

Yay! I dont have any exams that day! I'm going!

Here's a shitload of gumf on Architecture week. I can't make it back for any of this which pisses me right off. I especially fancy the views from Le Mont, that would be pretty cool. The urban workshop thing sounds decent too. Anyway, go to these. Numbers on the door always help. Oh, get to platform 12 for the wall of piccydoos too.

Launch of Architecture Week North West: 17 – 26 June

Manchester is leading Architecture Week North West, the annual celebration of contemporary architecture with a packed programme of fascinating, quirky and unique events. Architecture Week is a joint Arts Council England and Royal Institute of British Architects initiative in association with the Architecture Centre Network and is celebrated throughout the UK.

This year, Architecture Week North West offers its strongest-ever programme with a broad range of events taking place across Cheshire, Cumbria, Greater Manchester, Lancashire, Merseyside. With over 65 exhibitions, tours, talks and workshops, the North West has the highest number of events taking place outside London and the South East, re-enforcing its reputation as an innovative region for regeneration and excellence in architecture.

Architecture Week takes place from 17 – 26 June 2005. The initiative is aimed at the general public and celebrates architecture in a fun and informative way across England. It explores contemporary architecture and the built environment via the arts and culture and features celebrated architects, artists and designers.

Architecture Week includes an exciting nationwide programme of over 500 events, debates, visits to new buildings and architects’ practices, exhibitions, family & children’s activities and the chance for an architect to visit your home. The North West focus for 2005 is Regeneration, looking at how our towns and cities are changing and how the public is responding to those changes.

Greater Manchester will host over 30 events – including some of the most high profile initiatives in the North West. Highlights include ‘Open Up’ – an exclusive glimpse inside buildings that aren’t normally open to the public, including those short-listed for a 2005 RIBA Award, such as Lymm Water Tower, Cheshire and new Castlefield restaurant, Albert’s Shed.

Manchester’s longest exhibition will launch on the longest day of the year - 21 June - on Platform 12 of Piccadilly Railway Station. Photographer Len Grant and Architecture Expert Phil Griffin have created The City Wall - a continuous display of 176 photographs, butted edge to edge, each depicting one arch of the railway viaduct running throughout Manchester City Centre.

Urbis, Manchester’s Museum of the Modern City, is hosting a variety of events and intriguing early bird architectural tours. Artist Michael Trainor will lead a tour of Manchester’s finer architectural details – providing magical Architectural Spectacles. ‘Archi-Specs’ have built in mirrors and a cunning buzzer system only allowing you to see above ground floor level! 16th century astrologer & alchemist, Dr John Dee was profoundly interested in Manchester’s Architecture. The public can create a tour of Manchester’s hidden pathways by following cryptic instructions with ‘Dr Dee in the City’, led by BBC broadcaster and writer Bob Dickinson.

Artist Suki Chan is running an Origami workshop, inviting families to decorate fabric Origami birds with sequins and beads. All customised birds will contribute to an impressive installation to be suspended from the atrium space of Manchester’s Osteopathic Centre for Children.

In a secret Manchester city location Artist Graham Clayton Chance will transform a vacant plot of land into a giant screening venue for an exclusive Architecture Week event: ‘Municipal Constructions’. Visit www.municipalconstructions.co.uk for more details.

Speakers from across the UK will be lecturing on all aspects of eco building; from urban to rural, straw bale to timber frame. Meet the people behind community self builds and the architects making sustainable Grand Design dreams a reality in ‘Green Architecture Day’ at Bridge-5-Mill, Ancoats.

Much-loved views from Manchester’s famous figures have been gathered as part of the Architecture Week celebrations. Michael Trainor - Artist and Design Historian, Paul Heathcote - Chef and Entrepreneur, Wayne Hemingway - Designer, Scott Burnham -Creative Director of Urbis, Len Grant – Photographer and Mr.Scruff - DJ have all shared their Manchester favourite views so the public can enjoy them too.

Michael Eakin, Regional Executive Director for Arts Council England, North West said, “Arts Council England, North West supports Architecture Week because of the strong links between architecture and the arts. The North West is home to a large number of exceptional regeneration projects. Many of these schemes involve artists working closely with architects, bringing renewal plans to life and involving the community in what is planned for their area. Architecture Week North West aims to make Architecture relevant and accessible to the public and demonstrate its importance to everyone’s lives.”

Tom Bloxham, Chair and Co-founder of Urban Splash and national Patron of Architecture Week said, “Public art and architecture is a great passion of mine and I’m honoured to become a Patron of Architecture Week. As Chair of Arts Council England, North West I know this region is a hotbed of artistic talent and regeneration excellence. We have a wealth of iconic modern buildings in the North West and I’m looking forward to celebrating how our cities are changing during Architecture Week.” www.architectureweek.org.uk
For further press information, images or interviews please contact:
Rowan Atkins, Arts Council England T: 07834 158 725 E: rowan.atkins@nornir.co.uk

NOTES FOR EDITORS

Architecture Week
Established in 1997, Architecture Week now achieves an annual audience reach of over 35 Million. The Week is a joint Arts Council England and Royal Institute of British Architects initiative in association with the Architecture Centre Network. Delivery partners for the Week are the Arts Council’s regional offices, RIBA regions and members of the Architecture Centre Network. Visit the website for event listings.
www.architectureweek.org.uk

Arts Council England
Arts Council England is the national development agency for the arts. Every year, it invests over £500 million public funds in the arts in England including funding from the National Lottery. The Council believes that the arts have the power to transform lives and communities, and to create opportunities for people throughout the country.
www.artscouncil.org.uk

The Royal Institute of British Architects
The Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA), one of the most influential architectural institutions in the world, has been promoting architecture and architects since being awarded its Royal Charter in 1837. Then the RIBA's remit was 'the general advancement of architecture'. Today's mission statement continues to embody these sentiments. The RIBA is a member organisation, with 30,000 members, headed by president George Ferguson, and with an executive of 170 staff at the HQ in central London and in a dozen regional offices.





Key Events in the North West

GREATER MANCHESTER


Applications & Uses of 3d Visualisation
The Centre for Construction Innovation in Manchester is the home of the Visualisation Network. The two events being held during Architecture Week are showcase demonstrations of 3d Visualisation technology. WORKSHOP
Tuesday 21 and Thursday 23 June, 17.00 – 18.30
Centre For Construction and Innovation, 113-115 Portland Street, Manchester M1 6DW
T: 0161 295 5076 W: www.ccinw.com

Architecture Week Events, The University of Bolton
Promoting the week will entail workshops in schools run by Artists in Schools, events and exhibitions, tours of a planned ‘key architecture’ route and paper –based promotional material and on-line information.
EVENT, WORKSHOP, EXHIBITION, TOUR
Friday 17 – Sunday 26 June
The University of Bolton, Deane Campus, Bolton, BL3 5AB
T: 01204 334061 W: www.bolton.gov.uk

The City Wall
The City Wall consists of 176 photographs butted edge to edge, each picture being one arch of the railway viaduct that runs through the city centre. The 45 metre exhibit takes the viewer on a journey through the regenerated city, passing familiar viewpoints and unveiling hidden aspects of the city. EXHIBITION
Friday 17 – Sunday 26 June
Piccadilly Railway Station, Platform 12, Station Approach, Manchester M60 7RA
Contact: Phil Griffin T: 07970 685895 E: phil@spoken-image.com

The Ghost Camp
A recreation of the strange events surrounding Salford Lads' Club annual camping holiday in wartime 1940: an installation in the Edwardian Concert Hall by artist Leslie Holmes. Includes educational workshops for schools. Our famous 'Smiths Room' will also be open for visitors. EXHIBITION, WORKSHOP
Saturday 18, Sunday 19, Saturday 25, Sunday 26 June, 11.00 – 16.00
Salford Lad’s and Girls’ Club, St Ignatius Walk, Off Regent Rd, Salford M5 3RX
T: 0161 872 4437 W: www.salfordladsclub.org.uk

Green Architecture Event
Your chance to hear speakers from across the UK on all aspects of eco building; from urban to rural, straw bale to timber frame. Meet the people behind community self builds and the architects making sustainable Grand Design dreams a reality. Site visits and demonstrations, lunch and workshops.
Friday 17 June, 09.00 – 16.30
MERCI, Bridge-5-Mill, 22 Ancoats, Manchester M4 7HR
T: 0161 273 5367 www.pow-wowecoarts.co.uk

Living Spaces at IWM North with BDP
Living Spaces at IWM North in partnership with BDP. Take part in a workshop to see how we plan our living spaces, with advice and inspiration from visiting architects from BDP. WORKSHOP
Sunday 26 June, 13.30 – 15.30
Imperial War Museum North, The Quays, Trafford Park, Manchester, M33 7TB
T: 0161 836 4062 W: www.iwm.org.uk


MANCHESTER MUSEUM PROGRAMME OF EVENTS

• Look Up!
Take a look at the amazing architecture of The Manchester Museum and University buildings in this guided tour. Meet at the Museum's reception. TOUR
Wednesday 22 June, 13.00 – 14.00
Manchester Museum, The University of Manchester, Oxford Road, Manchester, M13 9PL
T: 0161 275 8767 W: www.manchester.ac.uk/musuem

• Past & Present
Be inspired by the Museum of the past and present, to create your own piece of architectural artwork.
Saturday 18 June, 13.30 – 15.30
Manchester Museum, The University of Manchester, Oxford Road, Manchester, M13 9PL
T: 0161 275 8767 W: www.manchester.ac.uk/musuem

• Waterhouse - A Celebration
A talk for Architecture Week marking the centenary of the death of renowned English architect, Alfred Waterhouse, who designed many of Manchester's great civic buildings. TALK-DEBATE
Thursday 23 June, 18.30 – 20.00
Manchester Museum, The University of Manchester, Oxford Road, Manchester, M13 9PL
T: 0161 275 8767 W: www.manchester.ac.uk/musuem


Municipal Constructions
A secret event at an undisclosed location will transform a vacant plot of land on the edge of the city into a giant screening venue for a new animation and audio work. From June onwards log onto website www.municipalconstructions.co.uk to be contacted with the screening location.
Saturday 18 June, 21.30 – 23.00 and Wednesday 22 June, 18.00 – 19.00
Contact: Graham Clayton-Chance T: 07939 513854 www.municipalconstructions.co.uk

Open Up
A unique opportunity to view a selection of the 2005 RIBA Award Short listed buildings in the North West. Guided tours by the architect and/or client give a first hand insight into the way the building was designed and functions.
Monday 20 – Friday 24 June
Various venues. Contact: Belinda Irlam-Mowbray T: 0151 703 0107 bim@inst.riba.org

Origami Public Art Project
An Origami workshop with artist-in-residence Suki Chan. Come and decorate a fabric Origami bird with sequins and beads. All customised birds will contribute to an impressive installation to be suspended from the beautiful atrium space of the centre, as part of a new exciting public art project.
Saturday 18 June, 10.30 - 12.30
Osteopathic Centre for Children, Phoenix Mill, Piercy St, Ancoats, Manchester, M4 7HY
T: 0161 2779911 W: www.occ.uk.com

Spinningfields Open Day
Allied London host a Spinningfields Open Day. Allied London is delighted to host a series of talks during Architecture Week from our architects involved in the Spinningfields development project as well as tours of the buildings developed to date at this exciting scheme. OPEN-UP
Friday 17, Monday 20 – Friday 24 June, 09.00 – 16.30
Spinningfields, Manchester House, 8th Flr, 18-20 Bridge St, Manchester M3 3BU
T: 020 7291 7970 W: www.alliedlondon.com

Urban Splash, Manchester
Urban Splash is arranging a series of events, tours and exhibitions at its award winning schemes at Castlefield over the weekend of 24-26 June 2005. EVENT
Friday 24 – Sunday 26 June, 11.00 – 18.00
Urban Splash, Castlefield, Worsley St, Castlefield, Manchester M15 4LD
T: 0161 839 2999 W: www.urbansplash.co.uk


URBIS PROGRAMME OF EVENTS:

• The Architectural Spectacles Tour Featuring Magical ‘Archi-Specs’
Artist Michael Trainor will lead a tour of some of Manchester’s finer architectural details – providing magical Architectural Spectacles. ‘Archi-Specs’ have built in mirrors and a cunning buzzer system only allowing you to see above ground floor level! TOUR
Thursday 23 June, 08.00 – 09.00
Urbis, Cathedral Gardens, Manchester, M4 3BG
T: 0161 605 8224 W: www.urbis.org.uk

• Buildings With Views At Le Mont
Le Mont restaurant at Urbis, Manchester, will be open to everyone for four days over Architecture Week.
OPEN-UP
Saturday 18 June, 11.00 – 15.00
Urbis, Cathedral Gardens, Manchester, M4 3BG
T: 0161 605 8224 W: www.urbis.org.uk

• Contemporary Architecture Talk Over The Roof Tops
Join Architecture critic and writer Phil Griffin on the top floor of Urbis for an informal talk whilst looking out over spectacular views of the city centre. TALK-DEBATE
Wednesday 22 June, 08.00 – 09.00
Urbis, Cathedral Gardens, Manchester, M4 3BG
T: 0161 605 8224 W: www.urbis.org.uk

• Dr Dee In The City
400 years after John Dee departed Manchester it's difficult to imagine what he'd make of today's city. Find out more with BBC Writer and Broadcaster Bob Dickinson and create your own tour by following cryptic instructions. TOUR
Tuesday 21 June, 18.00 – 20.00
Urbis, Cathedral Gardens, Manchester, M4 3BG
T: 0161 605 8224 W: www.urbis.org.uk

• Family Building Trail
Take a unique look around our landmark building seeing if you can locate the weird and wonderful angles shown in the activity pack. Find out some amazing facts about how Urbis was built and test your knowledge on materials. WORKSHOP
Friday 17 June, 10.00 – 18.00
Urbis, Cathedral Gardens, Manchester, M4 3BG
T: 0161 605 8224 W: www.urbis.org.uk

• Leth is More
Nicolas Tye Architects and ‘The Birds of Britain’ (Annalie Riches and Cathy Hawley), will speak about each of their winning submissions to the recent Manchester Letherium ML:IDEAS competition. TALK-DEBATE
Wednesday 22 June, 18.00 – 19.30
Urbis, Cathedral Gardens, Manchester, M4 3BG
T: 0161 605 8224 W: www.urbis.org.uk

• PsychoDeeOgraphy
Early risers can accompany Bob Dickinson and an official cathedral guide on a walk in and around Manchester Cathedral. TOUR
Tuesday 21 June, 08.00 – 09.00
Urbis, Cathedral Gardens, Manchester, M4 3BG
T: 0161 605 8224 W: www.urbis.org.uk

• Sky Scrapers Cityscape
Help Urbis’ artist to create a dream cityscape using a range of fun materials. Take a look around our own fabulous building first to get inspired! WORKSHOP
Sunday 19 & Sunday 26 June, 12.00 – 15.00
Urbis, Cathedral Gardens, Manchester, M4 3BG
T: 0161 605 8224 W: www.urbis.org.uk


VICTORIA BATHS EVENTS

• Renovate
Manchester Metropolitan University Interior Designer graduates look at the regeneration of Manchester’s architecture. EXHIBITION
Thursday 23 – Sunday 26 June
Victoria Baths, Hathersage Rd, off Upper Brook St, Longsight, Manchester M13
T: 0161 224 2020 www.victoriabaths.org.uk

• Victoria Baths present "small things"
Victoria Baths continue to offer opportunities to artists who wish to examine this sensational building in innovative ways; Dancer Catherine Hawkins and "small things" dance collective are expected to develop a new site sensitive dance work, to be previewed on the evening of May 23rd at Victoria Baths during the REINV8 show.
Thursday 23 June, 19.00 and Sunday 26 June, 14.00
Victoria Baths, Hathersage Rd, off Upper Brook St, Longsight, Manchester M13
T: 0161 224 2020 www.victoriabaths.org.uk


Vista
‘Vista’ is the third in the highly-acclaimed series of exhibitions specially created for Architecture Week by artists aged fifty to ninety-four (as seen on tv). Experience the results of their collaboration with leading architects and artists in a witty, exuberant display with a distinct painterly perspective. The ImiTate© Gallery, you can take it or leave it... but you can’t ignore it!
Friday 17 – Sunday 26 June, 13.00 – 18.00 (excl. Monday 20 June)
ImiTate© Gallery, ImiTate© Gallery, 623 Stockport Road, Longsight, Manchester M12 4QA
T: 0161 860 6524 E: tanja.j@btinternet.com

Who Lives in a House Like This?
Celebrate Architecture Week 2005 with a special Family Sunday full of fun activities. Bring in your favourite toy and join a creative art workshop to design their ideal home. Or why not create a stylish house for a footballer; perfect pop idol or even your pet! Drop-in between 11am & 3pm. WORKSHOP
Sunday 26 June, 11.00 – 15.00
The Lowry, Pier 8, Salford Quays, Salford M50 3AZ
T: 0870 111 2000 W: www.thelowry.com

You Are What You Keep
Visual artist and architect David Ross will be discussing the 'architecture of storage', looking at galleries and museums - and even cities - as sites engaged in the impossible task of keeping an exponentially expanding collection of things, people, ideas, memories within contained spaces. TALK-DEBATE
Saturday 18 June, 13.00 – 14.00
Manchester Art Gallery, Mosley Street, Manchester, M2 3JL
T: 0161 235 8893 W: www.manchestergalleries.org


For details of events in Cheshire, Cumbria, Merseyside and Lancashire please visit www.architectureweek.org.uk or contact: Rowan Atkins, Arts Council England
T: 07834 158 725 E: rowan.atkins@nornir.co.uk

Some interesting stuff going on there, i will probaly go to a couple of them,

This Spinningfields opening day,could this be the day they unveil 1HS if Foster's are doing a presentation? finger's crossed

Seems that way. Full Spinny model too. Somebody really must go to it.

I bet not one of us goes, we know we should but wont.

Yay! My mum just phoned up and booked us in! She's gonna take the day off on Thursday and take me to Manc (I'm skint at the moment, I cant afford a new pen, let alone a bus fare).

I bet not one of us goes, we know we should but wont.

lmao....most probably...i Jus cant be arsed...

I'd go but it will be full of people off here. ;)

See, it's this type of attitude that'll lead to the closer of Urbis and others. We've seen it with CUBE. Granted, many here knew fuck all about it but when we found out it was to be closed, who went? 2 maybe 3 people and went with lack of research and got pissy that all they saw were chairs.

Here's a radical idea - get off your lazy arses and try justifying Manchester having these cultural ameneties. You'll complain like fuck when they're gone.

I'm there!(with camera and scanners afterwards!)

1pm!

Wouldn't miss it for the world! :)

Reserve psychology always works.

ive got a good feeling about this Spinningfields open day, i think they are going to unveil all there plans for 1,2 HS ..

Have you noticed that the planning applications page on the council website as NOT been updated again,are the holding something back until after Architecture Week , or am i being cynical

ive got a good feeling about this Spinningfields open day, i think they are going to unveil all there plans for 1,2 HS ..

Have you noticed that the planning applications page on the council website as NOT been updated again,are the holding something back until after Architecture Week , or am i being cynical
Its the Council what do you expect. Their never in a rush.

Just a thought!

If I/we get a chance to speak to the architects or representatives from Allied London has anyone got any questions they would like me/us to ask?

I have a good one for the architects.

Ask. Do you have any renders of random mint buildings for Manchester or other parts of the country or even the world that didnt get the go ahead or they didnt plan to build.

....and then the same question but for the ones in Manchester that might be built.

I dont have anything to ask Allied London. Am sure the rest can have a say on that.

The planning app page has been 2 weeks behind since March-ish, conveniently when a significant planning app was going in (possibly Crown Buildings). In the World of silly conspiracy theories, I like to believe it's due to something Hardman Square like being submitted.

Jerby Jerb Jerb, could you ask, nay, insist on AL updating the fucking Spinningfields website? It's been untouched for nigh on 2 years.

Just a thought!

If I/we get a chance to speak to the architects or representatives from Allied London has anyone got any questions they would like me/us to ask?


Apart from the obvious about HS , height's , floors,and what's the final masterplan layout is.

Could you ask if Allied are planning on extending the Spinningfield's district,because it was rumoured about them aquiring the Granada complex ?

Architecture Week !

http://www.architectureweek.org.uk/itinerary.asp?EventURN=1450

And someone get a shot of the view from Manchester House!

Will do :)

Temp Spinningfields thread until the proper thread is restored!

Great news, great mates! :)

Got to pick the little one up first!

eh?

jrb has got some news about Spinningfield, I guess we'll hear when he gets back from the school run.

eh?
Start holding your breath! jrb has news!!! :D

woo!

Preston boy, do you know what this news is?

Spit it out.

jrby always does this, :lol:

Preston boy, do you know what this news is?
No... :dunno:

jrby always does this, :lol:

All Siddy fans do!!

Sourced it from the MEN! Sorry!

Still big news and you can't get a better source / conformation that No1 will be built!:)

Framed! The new home of justice

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ContentResources/943.$plit/C_17_Articles_166673_BodyWeb_Detail_0_Image.jpg

TAKING SHAPE: The Civil Justice CentreCONSTRUCTION work on the biggest civil courts complex to be built in the last century has reached an important milestone.

A topping out ceremony marked the building of the 279ft (85m) steel frame of the £160m Civil Justice Centre, in Manchester's Spinningfields district, which is due to open in 2007.

Sir Howard Bernstein, city council chief executive (pictured left), and Presiding Judge Mr Justice Leveson (pictured right) were hoisted 80m high by a tower crane to tighten the bolts on the structure as a brass band accompanied the proceedings.

The justice centre, with 47 courtrooms, will enable civil cases in the city to be heard in one location, complete with cutting edge facilities including video conferencing and prison video links.

Developed by the Department for Constitutional Affairs, Manchester City Council and contractors Allied London, the complex will be the second largest in Britain after the 1878 Royal Courts of Justice in London.

Columns

The basement and ground floor of the 300,000 sq ft building have now been completed together with three concrete cones. The 10-storey high atrium, featuring a 60m by 70m glazed wall, will be supported by 60m high triangular steel columns.

External cladding has begun with panels lifted into position by three tower cranes, one of which is the tallest in Britain at 120m high.

Project Director, Stuart Lyell, said: "This is an important milestone as the building work is on schedule and has passed a crucial stage.

"The Spinningfields complex occupies 4.5m sq ft of land to be developed and we have now constructed, or have under construction, 2.6m sq ft so we have passed half way."

My Lyell also revealed a planning application to build an office tower block on Hardman Square next to the courts, is to be submitted later this year as part of the second phase of construction on the £1.25 billion project. :cheers:

Mr Justice Leveson said: "This is an important step in the modernisation of our court facilities.

"Cases that previously went to other regions to be heard due to a lack of courtrooms will now be heard from one location."

Ps. Going to Traffords planning office tomorrow! I will try and sneak a few snaps of the 22 storey tower! :)

Finally! Confirmation of this building's height of 85m although confusingly later it also states that they "were hoised 80m high by a tower crane" to carry out the ceremony. The MEN featured a picture of Howard Bernstein atop one of the concrete cores fixing a piece of steel in place.

A topping out ceremony marked the building of the 279ft (85m) steel frame of the £160m Civil Justice Centre, in Manchester's Spinningfields district, which is due to open in 2007.

Seems a bit of an odd time for a topping out ceremony given the fact that the bulk of the steelwork still hasn't reached the top of the tallest cores yet.





Great news about 1 Hardman Square too.

My Lyell also revealed a planning application to build an office tower block on Hardman Square next to the courts, is to be submitted later this year as part of the second phase of construction on the £1.25 billion project.

Bit of an update on No1 and the other proposed buildings on the Spinningfield site!

Sent to me today!

Autumn its is then!?

Construction! Spring next year!?

The design is still not finished and seems to have a long way to go? Wonder what we will end up with?

Can you reply to him for me. Let him know that it will probably be sometime in the autumn, but it depends on achieving a viable design. Likewise, we hope to submit for planning at plots 102-103, 406-407 and 106 around the same time.


Thank you very much! :)

All sounds very promising,, im itching to see what 1HS is going to finally look like. cheers jrb

Bit of an update on No1 and the other proposed buildings on the Spinningfield site!

Sent to me today!

Autumn its is then!?

Construction! Spring next year!?

The design is still not finished and seems to have a long way to go? Wonder what we will end up with?




Thank you very much! :)
What happened to the usual "I have news. I'll tell you in three hours." thing?

What happened to the usual "I have news. I'll tell you in three hours." thing?

Your right!

I'm loseing it Earlybird!:cry:

Ps. I think it had somthing to do with us signing Darius Vaseline! :shocked:

Excellent.

This news bodes well for 3 buildings over 150m under construction simultaneously. Thats Asian levels of construction.

And it'll be 4 over 130m too. Lordy lord.

cant wait to see what 1hs will look like, theyr drilling sum pretty dam huge piles next to the crown courts wer the mags used to be, its big site

id laf if it was a pants design!

if it was pants ? do you mean crap? why

I think its going to be almost certain ,to look like 3HS but 3 times as tall, we'll find out in the autumn :)

The site for 3HS was buzzing today, huge hole starting to appear :)

The cladding on the GMEN building is coming on great to.....

got some pics i'll post em tomorrow

CJC from the back

http://photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/th_cjcjuly1.jpg

3 Images of the GMEN building from different angles
from byrom street

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/gmenside.jpg

from Deansgate

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/Gmenfront.jpg

from Little Quay St

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/backGMEN.jpg

Groundwork for 3HS was really busy today ,, apart from this lazy fukka :)


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/3HS.jpg

Another good looking building for Spinning!

Don't like to compare, but Spinning could well end up being our Canary Warf!
Minus the height of course!

Ps.! Add the media quarter close by!

Go on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cheers:

A veiw of CJC's big arse from the entrance of the RBS building, what a beauty this is starting to become :)



http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/cjcjuly1.jpg

Thanks for those Highriser. I was initially worried the GMEN office would be the weak link in the Spinningfields chain. Thankfully its shaping up to be quite a sexy addition with its smoked glass, its jet black horizontal cladding inserts, some nice steel detailing and those lovely round edges - something BDP seem to have a liking for.

Many thanks again! :)

Basic colour diagram showing height of CJC! 16 and 15 storeys!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture1380.jpg

Colour diagram showing public concourses to lifts and upper floors!(note the yellow concourses / blocks on the renderings of CJC below)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture1383.jpg

Diagram showing floors and internal layout!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture1384.jpg

Image of cladding!(blurred, but you get the idea!)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/tyuen.jpg

Rendering of CJC and other buildings!(clear)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture1381.jpg

Close up rendering of CJC!(blurred)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture1382.jpg

Rendering of master plan!(clear and out of date)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture1378.jpg

Close up of master plan!(blurred and out of date)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture1379.jpg

View of CJC from albert Square! :eek:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture1385.jpg

Great find jrb,,,,this building is going to look great from every angle it can be seen from,,cant wait for the final result

Is that 2 trees on the left side roof in image 3?

Groundwork for 3HS was really busy today ,, apart from this lazy fukka :)


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/3HS.jpg


Hehe, what an absolutely superb photo that is.

And good find Jerb.

CJC today overlooking the courts


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/manchesterpicsjuly014.jpg

This area is gonna be fantastic
CJC in relation to leftbank
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/cottonopolis/Spin1.jpg

Leftbank looking good
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/cottonopolis/left1.jpg

amazing development
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/cottonopolis/spin2.jpg

Lloyd Davies to move to Spinnigfields next year, as B and B Italia!

Looks like Allied are aiming for a up market clientele?


Lloyd Davies is sunk by debts
Patricia Roberts
UPMARKET city centre furniture retailer Lloyd Davies has collapsed with substantial debts, a year after it was flooded out of its John Dalton Street home.

The well-known firm, which specialised in expensive designer items, including contemporary furniture and fittings has gone into administration after a burst pipe drama meant it had to move from its prime position.

But its relocation firstly into smaller premises in King Street and then the temporary premises in the quieter area of St Mary's Parsonage Gardens saw business plunge.

However, founder Bob Lloyd Davies has vowed to be back, and says the business will be reborn next year when it is due to open in the new Spinningfields development trading under the name of B and B Italia.

He pledged that customers would not be let down and that all orders would be fulfilled.

He said: "We have been like gipsies since the move from John Dalton Street, and our final move to Spinningfields has been delayed. But we will fulfil all the orders on our books," said Mr Lloyd Davies, who frankly admitted that overheads had been too high for the volume of business and that three members of staff had had to be made redundant.

He stressed that Lloyd Davies Contracts, which specialises in fitting out luxury complexes including hotels, is unaffected by the collapse of the retail company.

Don Bailey one of the joint administrators for Begbies Traynor said that the showrooms have now been cleared and the goods will be sold off.

The shop had been on the John Dalton Street site for eight years, attracting well-heeled clients willing to pay thousands of pounds for designer pieces or offbeat items - such as the book weighing 75lbs, written as a tribute to Muhammad Ali, signed by The Greatest himself, and selling for £2,000.

Mr Lloyd Davies made his name by founding the OuiSet fashion chain which he sold before switching to home furnishings.When the new premises open next year they will house the interior design and retail businesses, as well as a new enterprise - Boffi kitchens and bathrooms.

3HS site

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/manchesteraug7005.jpg

CJC today

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/manchesteraug7004.jpg

Thing is.... you could either have had Spinningfields development at 4.5 million square feet or....

Swiss Re (450,000 sq ft)
122 Leadenhall Street (500,000 sq ft)
HSBC Tower (1 million sq ft)
One Canada Square (1.1 million sq ft)
London Bridge Tower (1.2 million sq ft)

What would you prefer? With these groundscrapers you get absolutely quality low rise development, redeveloping large areas of the city or with these skyscrapers, placed carefully, Manchester could rival Frankfurts skyline. There would be far more empty plots though.

I'm not sure if the rental market in Manchester could support such a volume of tall buildings though.

Is the Spinningfields development and offices all let and what is the office demand in the city?

That said Manc is getting quite a few towers anyway. With Beetham and Eastgate it will have 2 quality 600 feet towers. In addition you've got all the residential 20 storey towers and City Tower AND CIS being recladded. Exciting times.

I'm most looking forward to the CJC Centre, Beetham, Eastgate and 1 Hardman Square though.

Deloitte is set to sign the biggest letting in Manchester city centre this year after agreeing to take nearly 70,000 sq ft of office space at Allied London's Spinningfields scheme.

The consultant has made an offer for the remaining four floors of 2 Hardman Street, which includes the remaining 12,600 sq ft on the fourth floor, 23,300 sq ft on the fifth, 21,500 sq ft on the sixth and 7,700 sq ft on the seventh.

Quoting rents at 2 Hardman Street are £28 per sq ft. Construction of the building will complete next June.

The building already has a prelet agreed to the Guardian Media Group for 77,000 sq ft
The news will come as a blow to accountant Grant Thornton, which was close to agreeing terms on a single floorplate of 22,000 sq ft at the building at 2 Hardman Street.

The deal will be the largest in Manchester since December last year, when Bank of New York agreed to take 91,000 sq ft at Argent's One Piccadilly Gardens.

Dom

In the next 3 to 5 years, the rental/office space in Manchester will need the following:

2 - 3 million sq ft of new space
2 million sq ft for firms upgrading, in addition to whatever's already being built.

There's an article about this on the official Manc Thread 9. Interesting reading.

Because of the risks involved of developers building speculatively, there is apparently a problem whereby demand often outstrips supply. I'm sure this isn't confined just to Manchester though!

CJC From Albert Bridge House today.

Apologies for the quality (camera phone) but you can really see it taking shape now.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/Chorltonred/DSC00176.jpg

Superb! Love that cladding, least it adds some diversity to the skyline..
Is it just me, or is it slightly curved at the top?? (or is that just piping or some non-structural element?)


Edit - Just realised I've reached a mini-landmark on my post count, yipidee :cheers:

cheers for that pic matey,great seeing it from a different angle,,,

That's bloody brilliant for a camera phone.

one thing I dont like about CJC when viewed from a distance is the effect of the fingers. Without being close, you cant see the lower ones and the top section is uniform (two long, two short, two long). Therefore the effect doesnt seem as dramatic as it could be for me. Still, this is a minor point. Its a great scheme and will still look fab when its cladded up. Are we going to see the first glass cladding soon? I think their preparing for it now.

Does anyone have any idea what the concrete blocks are that have just been laid down in front of the Crown Court? Looks really weird.

CJC today,next to the disgusting and hopefully soon to be doomed Manchester House

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/mancpics15thaug004.jpg

2 Hardman St from Deansgate

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/mancpics15thaug005.jpg

one thing I dont like about CJC when viewed from a distance is the effect of the fingers. Without being close, you cant see the lower ones and the top section is uniform (two long, two short, two long). Therefore the effect doesnt seem as dramatic as it could be for me. Still, this is a minor point.

This is what Ive said all along. About a year on from releasing the initial renders they changed the arrangement of the fingers - for the worse in my opinion. I too I dislike the uniformity of their arrangement. We'll have to wait and see how it turns out.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/mancpics15thaug004.jpg

final design(8 fingers)

http://www.property-week.co.uk/Journals/Builder_Group/Building/2004_issue_13/photos/13newssalford.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/markdavies/photo1copy.gif

Original design!(9 fingers)
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/709/490cjc_bmp.jpg

Note! The fingers on the final design look more spaced out, and have more of a visual affect! Note! The gaps between the 2nd and 5th finger and the 6th and 8th finger looks bigger on the final design! I think they should have kept the original blade though! Either way, it will be another iconic building for Manchester! :)

im incredibly confident this building is going to be an absolute stunner,,once the finger's start getting cladded it will be jaw dropping

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/mancpics15thaug004.jpg

final design(8 fingers)

http://www.property-week.co.uk/Journals/Builder_Group/Building/2004_issue_13/photos/13newssalford.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/markdavies/photo1copy.gif

Original design!(9 fingers)
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/709/490cjc_bmp.jpg

Note! The fingers on the final design look more spaced out, and have more of a visual affect! Note! The gaps between the 2nd and 5th finger and the 6th and 8th finger looks bigger on the final design! I think they should have kept the original blade though! Either way, it will be another iconic building for Manchester! :)

Nah. You've lost me I'm afraid. They are clearly all the same and are the same as the as-built.

Edit: Sorry, I see a section removed...is this why it went from 90m to 80/85m?

They are clearly different, look at the first fingers above the entrance.

Sorry, I see a section removed...is this why it went from 90m to 80/85m?

A section has been removed. There are other subbtle differences which taken together do seem to have a big impact and serve to rob this building of some of its gravitas and authority such as
- less variation in finger thickness
- less variation in 'reach'
- removal of the glass fin to the Irwell facing facade

Its a shame because as much as I love this building I can't help but think how much better it could have been had these amendments not been made.

It could be that they use the cladding in a 'cosmetic' rather than a structural way to vary the reach of the fingers to give it the uneveness shown in the renders. Wouldn't have the same impact (IMO) if they were all uniform. Have to wait and see

Spinny today
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P8180032copy.jpg

So will 1 HARDMAN SQUARE really be this big?

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/532/4sonyplaza1.jpg (http://)
http://www.ilarch.com/images/photos/Millennium_BIG.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=38468&papass=&sort=1




someone said it was around 40 floors.?

During the open day, the staff at Allied London said the new design (released only 2 days before the meeting) was over 40-floors.

holy fuck

Can we see some photo's of the 1 HARDMAN SQUARE site? Really apprciate it...

Taken today!

Note! The wraps are coming of the car park!

The apartments in the first picture are very close to Spinningfileds!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture049.jpg

Car park to the left! More pictures below!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture056.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture055.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture054.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture053.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture052.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture051.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture050.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture057.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture058.jpg

Great pics!! On pics two and three, what site is it?

Wow, thanks jrb.

Great pics guys, Andy the pics your refering to is the site for 3 and 4 Hardman Sq

Cheers :okay:

It looked stunning in the sun today so i couldnt resist :)

That Wagamama outlet open's soon on the ground floor,its huge


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/2sept006.jpg

Proposals for Spinningfileds public realm space!

http://www.art2architecture.co.uk/reconnected/spinning/_colour_trees.jpg

http://www.art2architecture.co.uk/reconnected/spinning/_feature.jpg

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.art2architecture.co.uk/reconnected/colour_trees.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.art2architecture.co.uk/reconnected/reconnected.htm&h=158&w=250&sz=11&tbnid=j7vIm2LafFcJ:&tbnh=66&tbnw=106&hl=en&start=25&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmanchester%2Btrees%26start%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26cr%3DcountryUK%7CcountryGB%26sa%3DN

Urban vision for Stockport!(2nd prize)

http://www.art2architecture.co.uk/current/stockport/_2003_stockport1.jpg

http://www.art2architecture.co.uk/current/stockport/_2003_stockport_big.jpg

http://www.art2architecture.co.uk/current/stockport.htm#

Cheers for those jrb. found this on the same site.

Shame, to an alien it could look like a nice, cultural leicester sq-esque area. maybe one day when im old.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/mezmail/_2003_big_piccadilly.jpg

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/video/popup/12.html

Video about Leftbank. Bit old but still worth a look.

Organized chaos at 3 HS


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/6september011.jpg

And Rossetti's Bauhaus office block coming on

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/6september010.jpg

Nice streets scene.

Few piccies I took on Saturday:

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/hardman-1.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/hardman-2.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/hardman-3.jpg

and I thought I'd throw Albert Bridge House in for good measure!

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/abh-1.jpg

http://www.eb.cx/img/ssc/manchester/2005-09-03/abh-2.jpg

Thanks for all these pics on this and other threads EarlyBird. As an ex-mank living darn sarf I really appreciate it. Hey, one day eh?

EB cheers for them pics of Albert Bridge House, i was actually looking at this building the other day having my lunch, and i came to the conclusion that its actually not bad (for a 60's building) one thing that spoils it for me is the horrible entrance and concrete planter's that surround the base of it,if these were to be improved with turf being laid instead of having paving stones and more trees around it , it would look tons better.
And i would love to see that corner of the carpark shaved off so there is a straight path to the Lowry bridge.
Same goes for Century House (the smaller CIS building ),vile concrete planter's replace them with greenery please :)

Aye, Albert's always been sound in my book. The dirtier concrete bits could do with a bit of a clean (and the street level needs drastically replanning) but it's a lovely wee tower. I've always had a soft spot for the windows and the "balcony" style roof.

The foundations for 3 HS are covering a bigger area of Hardman Sq than i thought

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/20sept005.jpg

And one of Leftbank

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/20sept003.jpg

I dont know if this has been posted before, or just a proposal, but it looks very nice..so here...:)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/chady/Alan/1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/chady/Alan/2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/chady/Alan/3.jpg

..edited

Cheers CHAD, I think weve seen these before and that tower isn't happening, well not in that design as far as we know...I think lol

which is a great shame as that has to be one of the best looking buildings that i have ever seen

..edited

it had to be changed due to wind patterns or summat (?) it's gonna be 10 stories taller now, but without the slope.

it had to be changed due to wind patterns or summat (?)

LOL....that's how I understand it, summat to do with the wind, but I don't really know what.

Maybe it would've caused its own little micro-climate and Hardman Sq would be the rainiest place in Britain

LOL....that's how I understand it, summat to do with the wind, but I don't really know what.

Maybe it would've caused its own little micro-climate and Hardman Sq would be the rainiest place in Britain

Correct!

The design had to be changed due to draft/wind problems created by the very large flat sides!

Shame really!

From today's MEN

M.E.N.'s next home makes the news
Rashid Razaq


LAST TOUCH: MEN Editor Paul Horrocks points the last block.WORK on the new home of the Manchester Evening News met a critical deadline as a traditional topping out ceremony was held to mark the completion of the structure's shell.

The office complex in the heart of the city's expanding Spinningfields business district, which is due to be finished next year, will also house other Guardian Media Group divisions including Manchester Metro News, Guardian North, Diverse Media - which publishes a range of magazines including City Life - and GMG Regional Digital, which controls the region's largest website, www.manchesteronline.co.uk.

City council chief executive Sir Howard Bernstein, Lord Mayor Coun Afzal Khan joined M.E.N. editor Paul Horrocks, developer Allied London's chief executive Michael Ingall, and Cullum McAlpine of contractors Sir Robert McAlpine for the ceremony at the Hardman Street building.




A Scottish piper led the party into the site, where, following custom dating back to medieval times, the last block was inserted before the VIPs presented the works manager with his rightful due - a tankard of ale.

Good luck

An evergreen bough was nailed up to ward off evil spirits and foster good luck. Mr Horrocks said: "This will be our fourth home in the city. And we have been on Deansgate since 1970.

"What this new building offers is the opportunity not only to better project the M.E.N. brand, but develop a multi-media portfolio."

GMG has signed a 22-year lease on the complex, which is only yards from its current home.

The M.E.N. offices were originally in Brown Street before moving to Cross Street and later to Deansgate.

The 148,000sq ft building is next to the recently completed Royal Bank of Scotland's new regional headquarters at 1 Spinningfields Square and close to the £160m flagship Civil Justice Centre for the Department of Constitutional Affairs.

The building was designed specifically for the M.E.N

Correct!

The design had to be changed due to draft/wind problems created by the very large flat sides!

Shame really!


From what little i understood of my Civil engineering degree. Wind tends to have a higher pressure higher up (cos it's slightly windier due to no obstruction) than at ground level, so because of a higher pressure at the top of the scrapper it would mean a down draft which would cause huge winds at the corners. To experience this just go for a walk around albert bridge where there are no counter measures to this problem. Some scrappers use quite clever methods to reduce this wind at the base including stepped buildings (empire states), podiums (city tower), round and unusually shapped buildings (Swiss RE), trees, glass enclosed shopping malls at the bottom etc etc. However with this fosters tower the huge amount of wall would create a huge wind at the corners that most of the solutions above wouldn't be able cope with.

From what little i understood of my Civil engineering degree. Wind tends to have a higher pressure higher up (cos it's slightly windier due to no obstruction) than at ground level, so because of a higher pressure at the top of the scrapper it would mean a down draft which would cause huge winds at the corners. To experience this just go for a walk around albert bridge where there are no counter measures to this problem. Some scrappers use quite clever methods to reduce this wind at the base including stepped buildings (empire states), podiums (city tower), round and unusually shapped buildings (Swiss RE), trees, glass enclosed shopping malls at the bottom etc etc. However with this fosters tower the huge amount of wall would create a huge wind at the corners that most of the solutions above wouldn't be able cope with.

Surely Foster and his architects knew this? So why design a tower that causes wind problems?

Surely Foster and his architects knew this? So why design a tower that causes wind problems?

:)

Uhm, well the surrounding buildings and architecture do have a lot of influence on the wind at the bottom so i guess they did their calculations and it didn't work in the area.

http://www.compropregister.co.uk/ne...aspx?regionid=2

for latest spinningfields news n manc area from the compro fellas.

The design had to be changed because of the wind, all right.

A financial wind caused by the triangular shape chucking away sellable space.

The design had to be changed because of the wind, all right.

A financial wind caused by the triangular shape chucking away sellable space.
This theory might actually have some credence, although it's quite possible that a building with such a sharp angle could play havoc with down-drafts.
If it's simply the poor use of sellable air-space, then with the cost of commercial square footage in down-town Manchester, we ain't gonna see no more slopey thingies in town.....

This theory might actually have some credence, although it's quite possible that a building with such a sharp angle could play havoc with down-drafts.
If it's simply the poor use of sellable air-space, then with the cost of commercial square footage in down-town Manchester, we ain't gonna see no more slopey thingies in town.....

I wondered whether someone somewhere had decided that we already had enough slopey thingies in Manchester. I like 'em, but enough's enough. We'll be getting a reputation at this rate......

http://www.compropregister.co.uk/newsletter.aspx?regionid=2

for latest spinningfields news n manc area from the compro fellas.

Asking rents of £28 per sqft, not bad. Some of, but not the, highest prices in the city centre.

I think there will be more triangular buildings, but bigger wider buildings, like the Luxor in Vegas.

Couple of pics of the 3HS site

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/2october016.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/2october017.jpg

Cheers Highriser. What´s the building in the bakground of the first pic?

Those are Rosetti Place Phase 1(built) and Phase 2(under construction)

3hs is going to make a bit of an impact despite only being 9 floors. A few metres taller than Sunlight House......

Thanks. bloody hell - didn´t think 3 hs it was that big

What's happenin with the old courts building that is still in use. ( the one in highrisers 2nd pic) ?
The current MEN building on deansgate too? They really break up the flow of development round there.

The Court Building is staying put - that's a fact. I dunno it has a bit of charm if you stare at it for long enough - a 60s classic really. Could grow on you, unless you're a scally.
It will look totally out of place in a couple of years like those naff mock Georgian buildings do in the background of the first pic. That sort of shite belongs on a business park on the outskirts of Basingstoke not in the centre of one of Europe's best known cities. That was really the best Manchester could come up with not that many years ago.

It will look totally out of place in a couple of years like those naff mock Georgian buildings do in the background of the first pic. That sort of shite belongs on a business park on the outskirts of Basingstoke not in the centre of one of Europe's best known cities. That was really the best Manchester could come up with not that many years ago.

I remember those naff mock-Georgian buildings going up, and at the time I remember being pretty excited about these *new developments*....lol

Along with the beautiful Sacha's Hotel, that was about the full extent of it in the 1980s

Yep the 80s certainly were crap for Manchester - the City had totally lost the plot at that stage and every kind of business was heading for the exit. Mind you had it not been quite so crap what would Morrissey have had to moan at....'the rain falls down on a humdrum town, this place drags me down..'

"The rain falls hard on a humdrum town, this town has dragged you down"

Don't misquote the Mozlord. :nono:

From Foster's site, I've been scouting this intently over the past 2 months waiting for some announcement on something. Here's this...

http://www.fosterandpartners.com/internetsite/images/News/203/203_01.jpg

http://www.fosterandpartners.com/internetsite/images/news/203/203_02.jpg

The recent groundbreaking of two new Foster and Partners office buildings marks a milestone in the regeneration of central Manchester’s former judicial district. Part of the wider 12 hectare Spinningfields Development, the Foster scheme at Hardman Square is located close to the city’s principal shopping area. Comprising four new commercial buildings and a public plaza, Hardman Square is the social and economic heart of Spinningfields, providing vital amenities including shops, cafes, and civic space.

The focus has been to integrate the project into the city by creating strong connections and a dynamic network of new pedestrian routes. Due to complete in 2007, the scheme will not only establish a high quality working environment for national and international businesses, but will be a destination in its own right. The landscaping will be rich with trees, high quality paving, seating, specialist lighting with water and public artwork.

The first phase of development includes the construction of numbers three and four Hardman Square. Founded on the principles of light and flexibility, the buildings will offer high quality office space for single or multiple tenants. The curved triangular plan of the larger eight-storey building is dominated by the pedestrian routes that wrap around it, and the ground floor is recessed to provide a colonnade with space for shops, that will extend the public realm. At the northern side of the plaza, a smaller five-storey building incorporates the existing Crown Court prisoner receiving bay at ground level. Both buildings have highly layered facades, utilising a system of interchangeable parts to provide sunshading and a mix of clear and opaque glass panels.

Chris Bubb, the project leader noted: “The quality of our Spinningfields project will set the tone for the subsequent development of the area in the heart of Manchester. We (nonce warriors)wanted to deliver a series of highly cost-effective office buildings, which expressed the practice’s long-standing interest in sophisticated building envelopes and attention to detail”.

For further information please contact Katy Harris or Josephine Cutts at Foster and Partners, Tel. 44 (0)20 7738 0455, Fax 44 (0)20 7943 6097, email: press@fosterandpartners.com

All info pinched from http://www.fosterandpartners.com

:applause:

dgnr8, The lurker! :sly:

"The rain falls hard on a humdrum town, this town has dragged you down"

Don't misquote the Mozlord. :nono:


SOZ MOZ!!!

Cough!

Have a Look!

You won't be dissapointed! :wink2:

Just to get your juices flowing!

No1!:)

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/images/spinningfields/spinning_buildings_2hsq_01.jpg

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/images/spinningfields/spinning_buildings_2hsq_02.jpg

Hardman Street!

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/images/spinningfields/spinning_buildings_3hst_01.jpg

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/spinningfields/masterplan.htm

YES! THEY'VE FINALLY UPDATED IT.

Looks awesome.

Good stuff jrb. About time the Spinningfields website had an update.

Good stuff jrb. About time the Spinningfields website had an update.


Allied London did say renders and updates would be released in the Autum!

Can't fault them!

We've gotta get someone to look at those renders to sifure out a height.

Excellent great find guys,so 2HS is going to be the biggie from that materplan.
And it says it will be completed in 2008,,,,looks only about 20 storeys to me though

I can't wait to walk around spinningfields in 4 years time.

Dont forget 1 and 2 Hardman Square are still "In design" stage according to the website so those ungainly boxes we see are probably not (hopefully not) representative.

Please could someone repost the photograph of the Hardman Square masterplan that was displayed at the open day for comparison? It appears the HS masterplan has changed configuration yet again.

No mention of certain plots such as the site of Manchester House nor the site of the present MEN building. Wonder if Manchester House has been sold on? Or maybe the website is still under development and these details are yet to be uploaded.

One notable building they have included is 3 Hardman Street which weighs in at a hefty 360,000 sq ft. I would image they are more likely to bring this one forward before 1 & 2 Hardman Square. Maybe.

3 Hardman Street

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/images/spinningfields/spinning_buildings_3hst_01.jpg

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/images/spinningfields/spinning_buildings_3hst_02.jpghttp://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/images/spinningfields/spinning_buildings_3hst_03.jpg
3 Hardman Street will be a major headquarters building totalling some 360,000 sq ft of office space with floor plates ranging from 8,000 to 35,000 sq ft. It has been uniquely designed to provide the ability to divide each floor into 2,3 or 4 arts in order to provide a comprehensive range of floor plate sizes of 10, 20, 30 and 35,000 sq ft. This building will offer one of the largest single floor plates in the city of Manchester and ensures maximum use of floor space through cellular office design with an emphasis on security, management and resilience. It also provides excellent brand opportunities due to the 2 parts of the building that are 12 and 15 floors high respectively. 3 Hardman Street is due to be constructed in Autumn 2006 and is available for pre-lease with completion due for Spring 2008

A rather better image of 3 Hardman Square below -

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/images/theTeam/architects_3hsq_01.jpg

3 Hardman Street looks decent. A very important part of the masterplan too, it opens up a direct path from Crown Square to Deansgate. The current path between the two involves a trip past the magistrates court complete with gangs of freshly ASBOed scals. :runaway:

Excellent great find guys,so 2HS is going to be the biggie from that materplan.
And it says it will be completed in 2008,,,,looks only about 20 storeys to me though

20 storeys? Nah. Look at this:

Cough!

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/images/spinningfields/spinning_buildings_2hsq_01.jpg

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/images/spinningfields/spinning_buildings_2hsq_02.jpg


Remember 3 Hardman Square(left) is 49m tall/9 floors. 2 HS is a bit taller, perhaps 55-60m. And number 1, well, It's bloody massive. As Sleepy says though these do look like massings.

i thought no1 hardman woyld be like 40floors though?

I don't know you know. They fit the plot. Whatever, I think this looks really good.

Thanks dgn8 (cough splutter) and jrb for digging them up.

i thought no1 hardman woyld be like 40floors though?

1) It's only a massing.

2) How do you know that it's not 40 floors there? Images are too small to count.

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/images/spinningfields/spinning_buildings_2hsq_01.jpg

so we've got a potentially edge height building (left) and a potentially hsbc world hq height buidling. nice :D

I really like the look of 3 hardman street.

I cant wait! 1HS is gonna do wonders for Manchester. I really hope it is close to the 200m mark.

Has anybody got the renders of 1HS that was posted just after the open day, can't seem to find them in this thread anywhere, probably the hacker.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=215

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/2151HardmanSquare_pic8.jpg

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/2151HardmanSquare_pic7.jpg

alot less fat, looks like she's had a baby.

I'm fairly satisfied with that :) Tis still only a massing yet. They've still got to get the juices really flowing yet.

Cheers, that was quick!

Can't quite tell from those latest pics exactly what it looks like, but I still really like the above pictures from the open day, very futuristic and different.

Thanks KITR for reposting those images.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/2151HardmanSquare_pic8.jpg

Notice how 2 HS has now changed places in the latest render to be located behind 3HS now fronting onto Quay St.

I really hope we dont get the inelegant square lumps as indicated on the website renders. I dearly hope these ARE massing renders. One thing seems to be clear and that is that 2 HS has changed places. Did they do this in order to provide larger floor plates for 1 Hardman Square I wonder?

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/images/spinningfields/spinning_buildings_2hsq_01.jpg

Whatever the outcome, lets hope they keep true to their word on the spinningfields website where "world class" buildings, spaces and facilities are trumpeted time after time.

Just had a proper look at the Allied website,,i didnt realise there was a building planned for inbetween RBOS and CJC (3 Hardman Blvd)

I prefer the latest design to the round-cornered triangular tower with breaks every nine floors.

It's clean, timeless, and classy.

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/images/spinningfields/spinning_buildings_2hsq_01.jpg

And it offers practicality and economy. Somebody has thought about this, a lot more than they thought about the original tapered design that threw away floorspace.

Hands up who lives in a triangular round-cornered house?

I like it because it's in the clean, sleek, timeless "International" style:

http://www.emporis.com/en/ab/ds/sg/ra/bu/ca/ap/sy/mo/is/

http://usa.archiseek.com/illinois/chicago/images/ibm3.jpg

To me this sort of building says "world class city". I'd feel uncomfortable if this sort of simple elegance was deemed dated, and architects felt moved to add features and fuss that might not stand the test of time - I'm thinking of Leftbank and its clones.

The 'back' doesn't look as wide to me. Does that mean it'll be taller?

Would love to see a full render(don't we all)

It looks like a rectangle on here ManchesterIsWonderful.

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/spinningfields/masterplan.htm

Ah I see Farsight. Completely changed hasn't it.

It'll probably still be the same height then.

It looks like it's 35 storeys, though it's hard to tell.

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/images/spinningfields/spinning_buildings_2hsq_02.jpg

You know, this is rather like CIS with the smaller CWS tower by its side.

..edited

I counted 25 on the other picture, but on this one I was counting 14 storeys on number 1 and seeing how high up number 2 it came making allowance for the reflection. It is hard to tell. I guess time will tell.

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/images/spinningfields/spinning_buildings_2hsq_02.jpg

I recon it will be easy 30 stories+ but the final design i'd guess would be shown when the next two buildings are finished.

It's about 35 storeys. I zoomed in on Photoshop. The reason why it might not appear as tall as it should, is because it's quite wide from that angle. I suspect it'll look a lot taller from the front and back.

these are all recently completed 30 floors/33 floor office buildings in the uk.

10 upper bank st, 151.00m/32 floors

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/9510UpperBankStreet_pic3.jpg

40 bank street, 153.00/33

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/9640BankStreet_pic1.jpg

1 churchill place, 156.00/32 floors

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/681ChurchillPlace_pic1.jpg

25 bank street, 153.00/33 floors

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/9725BankStreet_pic2.jpg

So as you can see we're at least looking at a 150m+ skyscraper.

If you look aswell at 3 hardman sq, which is 50m, you can see that at least 3 if more would fit into the size of 1hs. So i'm happy with the height.

Don't get too hung up on these new images. They could easily just be something quickly thrown together for the website update.

KITR; those London buildings are very high spec. They've got big trading floors for banks and have floor averages of 4.6m. 4m is more realistic for Manchester.

Thanks for the pics KITR.

I'm guessing No. 2 Hardman Square will in line with those London buildings, both in "International" style, and in floor height.

I counted 25 on the other picture, but on this one I was counting 14 storeys on number 1 and seeing how high up number 2 it came making allowance for the reflection. It is hard to tell. I guess time will tell.

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/images/spinningfields/spinning_buildings_2hsq_02.jpg

These images are a bit misleading. Look at 3HS on the left here, 50m. 2HS looks about 5 floors higher than it. That would make it about 70m, and that would make 1HS 200m+, they're aload of cobblers, lets wait for some proper renderings.

and if anyone noticed on the site, the masterplan shows 2HS being taller than 1HS... lol

Haven't they swapped the numbers round? When I put the cursor on a building groundplan the outline comes up in blue and so does the building name. Or is there something else I should be looking at?

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/spinningfields/masterplan.htm

Some cnut has mad a cockup Farsight!

1 hardman square should be something of this shape
http://www.eteletours.com/EZINE/bldg1.jpg

to be honest, the first design was the best.

Hmmn. That's akin to the "International style" of the pictures we've been looking at, but with a bit of complexity at the top end that doesn't look expensive and doesn't throw away half the space.

Yep, that would be nice. OK we'll have one of them then.

..edited

A crane base is now in place for 3HS , that should be going up very soon.

Spinnigfileds public art competition!

http://www.artandarchitecturejournal.com/print_docs/aaj61_sup_odpm.pdf

Back of the Rossetti development

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/13oct006.jpg

something of a close up of the CJC here.

http://www.building.co.uk/Pictures/web/d/s/p/04_.jpg

Little rendering of the new Crown Court!

http://www.marlborough-brickwork.co.uk/projects/archive/manchestermagistrates/image

Manchester Magistrates Court
Location: Manchester

Main Contractor: Carillion Building Plc

Package: Brickwork and Blockwork

Package Value: £600,000

Manchester City Council developed a new Manchester Magistrates Courthouse, designed by TPS Consult. Carillion Building awarded Marlborough the supply and fix masonry package, which began on site in December 2002.

The site is located to the west of the Spinningfield/ Deansgate area of Manchester City Centre, a sector rife with new construction developments. The project involved the construction of an 18 court, 4-storey magistrates courthouse sat above a retail podium and basement car park.

The court functions are separated from the courthouse admin functions by a central glazed atrium

That's all well and good jerby jerb jerb, but that's been open for the best part of a year now.

That's all well and good jerby jerb jerb, but that's been open for the best part of a year now.

Indeed dgnr8! Not seen that rendering though! Even if it is old!

I'm off for two weeks mate! Time to kill, information and renderings to find!:)

Carry on good Sir.

something of a close up of the CJC here.

http://www.building.co.uk/Pictures/web/d/s/p/04_.jpg


If yo look at the top left of this render you can see the gap between the outer cladding and the inner windows is quite large. So i reckon the sticky out bit's could be a lot more pronounced than they are currently.

Accura, remember?!

Might blast an e-mail off to Allied soon! They said the redesign of No1 could be complete by late Autum, if all went well?! Not far off now!

Taken to day!

Just look at that building and the cladding! :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture044.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture047.jpg

Lots of work on the glass over hangs! Note the brown insulation going up the front and side of the building!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture045.jpg

That holes getting bigger and bigger!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture049.jpg

Leftbank looking good! Can't wait until the bridge is in place! Quality!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture046.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture048.jpg

i mentioned today as i walked past ' it looks ike ground zero'

Im really looking forward to seeing what they have planned for 1 hardman square, seeing how deep there digging and the size of the site. Maybe they havent even decided, because its in a good loacation.

Is this our secret skyscraper? like the one in dubai, when they dident tell anyone about it? i mean what the fuck is going on here?

Good things com to those who wait.

I am really not keen on Leftbank. It looks kinda bitty and bricky, like flavour of the month, only six months ago.

I quite like Leftbank, it looks nice at the minute. I can't tell what the quality of the cladding is like though. Hopefully with a development of this size the will have spent a little extra on the finish.

I like the back view though, as per the lower picture above.

CJC is such an interesting building to watch during its construction. Sometimes I think its amazing, other times I think its not going to be so good. Maybe when the outer cladding starts going up I can make my mind up more about it.

i mentioned today as i walked past ' it looks ike ground zero'

Im really looking forward to seeing what they have planned for 1 hardman square, seeing how deep there digging and the size of the site. Maybe they havent even decided, because its in a good loacation.

Is this our secret skyscraper? like the one in dubai, when they dident tell anyone about it? i mean what the fuck is going on here?

Good things com to those who wait.

no, lol, the building they need to demolish for 1hmsq hasn't been yet. This is what's going in the huge hole

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/3463HardmanSquare_pic1.jpg

I quite like that.

Me too. It's neat and sleek. Reminds me of Urbis.

Yes 3 Hardman Square looks beautiful. I do hope the cladding turns out to be as slick as it appears in that render.

Another significant piece of Spinningfields news has emerged from the latest issue of Property Week......

Spinningfields lands Barclaycard

Now they were looking for in the region of 10,000 sq m. Quite a hefty requirement. Wonder which building they will be leasing?

2 Hardman Square? 2 Hardman Boulevard? 3 Hardman Street?

I really like Urbis aswell. If it turns out anything like that I'll be quite happy :)

So im confused here and i work at 1 hardman boulvarde RBS building what is going in that big hole the building at the top of the page? has anyone got any more renders?

So im confused here and i work at 1 hardman boulvarde RBS building what is going in that big hole the building at the top of the page? has anyone got any more renders?

There you go Ozzy!

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/

I've only just realised, the whole massive excavation encompasses 3 and 4 hardman square, and the square itself. It is, by the looks of it, going to be at least 2 levels deep and the spinningfields website says that 3HS will have 300 parking spaces.

This will be one monster of a underground carpark and will surely please SleepyOne ;)

This will be one monster of a underground carpark and will surely please SleepyOne

Yes I just noticed that on jrb's latest shots. Sleepy is suitably pleased to see this. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture070.jpg
SITE 3 AND 4 HARDMAN SQUARE


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture067.jpg
2 HARDMAN STREET

Sleepy and others!

Do any of you get the feeling that Allied have finally decided to throw the kitchen sink at Spinningfileds, money wise?

After a cagey start, the prelets have been rolling in, and they've probably decided to go for broke and spend what ever it takes on the rest of the development to capture any wavering cliants!

I can honestly see No1 being an awesome building/tower! Which will capture the imagination of the Manchester office market!

Good luck to Allied I say! They've put their money where their mouth is! Others have seen the light and are following, like Argent at Piccadilly Place!

God you're excitable. But no. AL have never constructed much spec space and what there is forms part of an already part pre-let building. I doubt whether they will change this strategy given their apparent success in attractive so many large prelets.

!

Good to hear that Barcleycard have chose Spinningfields,,which building are they going to go in ?
3HS is more or less fully let is'nt it?

Hope your right about Allied jrb, 1HS would be the icing on the Spinningfield cake .

God you're excitable. But no. AL have never constructed much spec space and what there is forms part of an already part pre-let building. I doubt whether they will change this strategy given their apparent success in attractive so many large prelets.

!

I'm not excitable Sleepy, just very, very optimisic! Theres a difference!

Wait and see! :)

Another success for Spinningfileds?

Barclaycard moving to Spinningfields

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ContentResources/897.$plit/C_17_Articles_179996_BodyWeb_Detail_0_Image.jpg

PRESTIGIOUS: Spinningfields offices

BARCLAYCARD is to move to a new 100,000-sq ft office at Deansgate - and Barclays Bank could soon be following suit.

The credit card company has ended a year-long search for a new Manchester office by choosing Allied London Properties' Spinningfield development.

But now speculation is mounting that Barclays Bank could join the card operation at Spinningfield. The new Barclaycard call centre will occupy around 100,000 sq ft of a building which will be at least 300,000 sq ft - and market sources say Barclays could be thinking about taking much of the remaining 200,000 sq ft.

The deal comes just two months after Allied London scooped a 70,000-sq ft pre-let to accountants Deloitte. Speculation is also mounting that law firm Halliwells will add another 50,000 sq ft to their office space at Spinningfield.

The latest deal with Barclaycard is the largest in Manchester so far this year and another sensational win for Spinningfield.

However, Barclaycard are still insisting a final decision has not been made. "It's not a done deal, nothing is signed, no executive decisions have been made, though Spinningfield is an option for us," said a Barclaycard spokesman. Some sources suggest that Barclaycard would have proferred to move to Argent's new development close to Piccadilly station. They say it provided a better location and more affordable space for a call centre.

However, Barclaycard was over-ruled by Barclays bosses, who are also interested in moving their north west offices to Spinningfield.

If Barclays followed their credit card subsidiary, it would be one of Man- chester's largest-ever office lettings.

They will move from their existing 40,000-sq ft office at Dickinson Street, close to St Peter's Square.

It will be constructed on the site of the existing Manchester Evening News offices which will become vacant when the Guardian Media Group, which owns the M.E.N., moves to new offices in part of the Spinningfield scheme. The deal comes as Manchester city centre's office market celebrate a hectic year of pre-lets and deals. Because there is very little new office space available in the city, businesses have been forced to agree pre-let deals. However, several new office buildings, including Langtree's redevelopment at Spring Gardens and Wilson Bowden's Belvedere House, are due for completion in the coming 18 months.

Dunlop Haywards, joint letting agents for Spinningfields, were unavailable for comment. Jones Lang LaSalle, advising Barclaycard, declined to comment.

3 Hardman Street

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/images/spinningfields/spinning_buildings_3hst_01.jpg


So it looks like the huge 3 Hardman Street will be the next Spinningfields building to come forward (assuming these prelets reported today are secured). This together with the already under construction 3&4 Hardman Square probably represent the next wave of construction activity at Spinningfields.

3 Hardman Street

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/images/spinningfields/spinning_buildings_3hst_03.jpg

3 Hardman Street will be a major headquarters building totalling some 360,000 sq ft of office space with floor plates ranging from 8,000 to 35,000 sq ft. It has been uniquely designed to provide the ability to divide each floor into 2,3 or 4 arts in order to provide a comprehensive range of floor plate sizes of 10, 20, 30 and 35,000 sq ft.

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/images/spinningfields/spinning_buildings_3hst_02.jpg

This building will offer one of the largest single floor plates in the city of Manchester and ensures maximum use of floor space through cellular office design with an emphasis on security, management and resilience. It also provides excellent brand opportunities due to the 2 parts of the building that are 12 and 15 floors high respectively. 3 Hardman Street is due to be constructed in Autumn 2006 and is available for pre-lease with completion due for Spring 2008.




From today's MEN:

Barclaycard moving to Spinningfields

BARCLAYCARD is to move to a new 100,000-sq ft office at Deansgate - and Barclays Bank could soon be following suit.

The credit card company has ended a year-long search for a new Manchester office by choosing Allied London Properties' Spinningfield development.

But now speculation is mounting that Barclays Bank could join the card operation at Spinningfield. The new Barclaycard call centre will occupy around 100,000 sq ft of a building which will be at least 300,000 sq ft - and market sources say Barclays could be thinking about taking much of the remaining 200,000 sq ft.

The deal comes just two months after Allied London scooped a 70,000-sq ft pre-let to accountants Deloitte. Speculation is also mounting that law firm Halliwells will add another 50,000 sq ft to their office space at Spinningfield.

The latest deal with Barclaycard is the largest in Manchester so far this year and another sensational win for Spinningfield.

However, Barclaycard are still insisting a final decision has not been made. "It's not a done deal, nothing is signed, no executive decisions have been made, though Spinningfield is an option for us," said a Barclaycard spokesman. Some sources suggest that Barclaycard would have proferred to move to Argent's new development close to Piccadilly station. They say it provided a better location and more affordable space for a call centre.

However, Barclaycard was over-ruled by Barclays bosses, who are also interested in moving their north west offices to Spinningfield.

If Barclays followed their credit card subsidiary, it would be one of Man- chester's largest-ever office lettings.

They will move from their existing 40,000-sq ft office at Dickinson Street, close to St Peter's Square.

It will be constructed on the site of the existing Manchester Evening News offices which will become vacant when the Guardian Media Group, which owns the M.E.N., moves to new offices in part of the Spinningfield scheme. The deal comes as Manchester city centre's office market celebrate a hectic year of pre-lets and deals. Because there is very little new office space available in the city, businesses have been forced to agree pre-let deals. However, several new office buildings, including Langtree's redevelopment at Spring Gardens and Wilson Bowden's Belvedere House, are due for completion in the coming 18 months.

Dunlop Haywards, joint letting agents for Spinningfields, were unavailable for comment. Jones Lang LaSalle, advising Barclaycard, declined to comment.

Sleepy! You know I can't miss this chance! :colgate:

Its already been posted mate! :tyty: :banana: :naughty: :wink2: :baeh3: :wave: :lol:

3 Hardman Street looks to be a pretty large building. At up to 360,000 sq ft it is larger than the CJC and almost as big as 1 Hardman Boulevard. No word on who the architects are though. Lets hope it turns out to be class.

On another point, does anyone think they should rename some of the streets within the development. With Hardman STREET, Hardman BOULEVARD and Hardman SQUARE it all starts to get confusing as they are developed.

Its already been posted mate!

I know but I didnt think it was very readable, sorry! I gave up with all that highlighting business as it tends to look a little messy IMO.

I know but I didnt think it was very readable, sorry! I gave up with all that highlighting business as it tends to look a little messy IMO.

Thats the worst excuse I've ever heard on SSC sleepy! :hilarious

I'm working at 1 Hardman B/vard and I actually hope that 2 Hardman B/vard and 4/5 Leftbank don't happen. There's not much room there for 2 HB and the whole place will feel a bit cramped. Instead a nice grassy area would be perfect. Besides I've got a nice view from my desk at the mo and don't want it spoilng! I know this a wishful thinking - but more green spaces down there wouldn't go amiss!
BTW - does anyone know when the bride will be contructed across the Irwell?

Edit - that should read bridge.. :runaway:

I'm working at 1 Hardman B/vard and I actually hope that 2 Hardman B/vard and 4/5 Leftbank don't happen. There's not much room there for 2 HB and the whole place will feel a bit cramped. Instead a nice grassy area would be perfect. Besides I've got a nice view from my desk at the mo and don't want it spoilng! I know this a wishful thinking - but more green spaces down there wouldn't go amiss!
BTW - does anyone know when the bride will be contructed across the Irwell?

I agree. This is the problem we continually face in Manchester. The historically tight and densely packed nature of the city centre offers painfully few long, wide streets creating vistas and a sense of openness and light. As a result there always tends to be a sense of claustrophobia and many of our great buildings shielded from view.

However, AL do seem intent on creating more open space and of a better quality than what was there before it is a shame that the likes of the CJC will be so hemmed in.

That said, Hardman Boulevard wouldn't be a boulevard without number 2 to complete the other side and we will have a really strong pedestrian route all the way from Deansgate, down Hardman St, through Hardman Square, down Hardman Boulevard, under Leftbank and out onto the Irwell. Should make for a great walk.

City Centre Ward 077352/FO/2005/C1 24/10/2005 Land Bounded By Austin Street (in Part), Hardman Street And Crown Square (Plot 102/103 In The Adopted Spinningfields Plan) City Erection of mixed use development comprising offices (Use Class B1) with ground floor retail use: Use Class A1 (Shop), A2 (Financial and Professional Services), A3 (Restaurant and Cafes) and A5 (Hot Food Takeaways); basement car parking with related access and servicing and associated works

This?

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/images/spinningfields/spinning_buildings_3hst_01.jpg

thanks dgnr8. Quick on the draw there. Spinningfields marches on!

So it looks like 3 Hardman St will be the next one to go up, when are the MEN expecting to move over the road?

So it looks like 3 Hardman St will be the next one to go up, when are the MEN expecting to move over the road?

This building is just over the road from my office (201 Deansgate) and I quite often wonder over to have a look at this and the Hardyman Sq hole in the ground.

Spoke to one of the site engineers a few months back and he didn't expect demolition to start on the old GMG buildings until Summer 2006. The new building isn't going to be ready for occupation until Spring 2006.

The Hardyman Sq hole in the ground is starting to move along a bit now and piling work seems to have started on 4HS already

Might be nothing but the newsagent on the ground floor of Quay House is now closed down , demolition next year we hope :) .

http://www.egi.co.uk/webpics/cmspics/30159.JPG

Spinningfields developer Allied London has unveiled plans for Manchester's largest office scheme of recent times.

An application for the 460,000 sq ft building at 3 Hardman Street to be known simply as HQ was submitted last week.

It will include 426,000 sq ft of grade A office space and 30,000 sq ft of retail.

There will be four blocks of between 10 and 15 storeys, each with a self-contained entrance lobby, and with floorplates of up to 36,000 sq ft.

HQ designed by Sheppard Robson specifically for financial occupiers will house Barclaycard, which last week agreed to take up to 100,000 sq ft at Spinningfields.

Its parent Barclays is also looking at taking space in the building, and sources suggested it could include retail banking.

But final take-up is unlikely to be more than 160,000 sq ft, including the Barclaycard space.

Allied London chief executive Mike Ingall said: "There is still a business case to evolve as to the maximum amount of floorspace that Barclays will take."

460,000sqft makes it an absolute monster. That's almost as much as 1HS is expected to have.

Why could'nt they have made it taller with a smaller footprint , i do like it though

They are going for some huge floorplates which is what alot of prospective tenants are after.

Is that not the same one as above ???

Thanks for that Marky. Interesting post there. That truly is a behemoth of a building and another large building by Sheppard Robson. They are becoming quite a force in Manchester now having designed 1 Spinningfields Sq, Cobbetts House and the new AMPPS building for Manchester Uni.

I hope that the pedestrian space created between this new building and the new Magistrates Courts isn't as sterile as it appears on these renders - especially with the old Crown Court building terminating the view there. Allied London will have to pull out some seriously good landscaping in order for Spinningfields Square and this new boulevard to naturally draw people in from Deansgate, ensure they linger and enjoy these spaces and ultimately use all these new ground floor units too. The design of these major new buildngs, naturally has a role to play in ensuring this happens. Lets hope 'HQ' is top drawer.

Manc Guy - yes its the same building.

http://www.spinningfields-manchester.com/images/spinningfields/spinning_buildings_3hst_01.jpg

http://www.egi.co.uk/webpics/cmspics/30159.JPG

Im not sure which version I prefer but I do think Spinningfields needs more buildings that arn't glass-clad as it could all get a bit samey... so on that basis I would probably go for the top one but I do like the added texture of the cladding on the latest render.

Having said all that, do we think that this building is imaginative enough? Are we too ready nowadays to accept what large, trusted firms of architects present us with?

Well, I mean fair do's, they know what's best for us Sleepy....
That's why they get paid the big bucks..... ;)

I'm still reserving judgement until we see some better renders. So far, I'm unsure.

The people remain the same, yet they've lost the goddam red speeding car.
Sometimes life isn't fair.

You won't have to wait long?:wink2:

We'll have to wait a bit longer for No1!

We are still working on new designs for 1 Hardman Square, but the construction of 3 and 4 HSq has taken precedence and we do not have a finalized design yet. On the plus side, you may have seen that we have agreed terms with Barclays to go into 3 Hardman Street, and therefore hope to submit a planning application for that building in the next month.

Many thanks! :)

Personally I'm happy it's taking as long as it is. The constant redesigns says to me that Foster's taking this project very seriously. He's not bringing a tower to Spinningfields, he's building a tower for Spinningfields and he can take as long as he likes as far as I'm concerned if that's what it takes for him to come up with something fitting for his home town.

Indeed Dgn.
That archi review in t'MEN yesterday again brewed up the issue of Manny not really having a modern iconic building (Urbis is too low key, influential though it has been in igniting something special in the city and pumping out the centre that little bit further).
Maybe this will be that something?

Taken Friday!

Not bad as car parks go! Nice natural red stone and metal cladding!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture085.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture0844134780.jpg

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Spinnigfields + Beetham from Salford and the inner ring road!

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Spinningfields, CJC, Leftbank!

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Just to confirm this is the design that has gone in for planning permission!

The opposite side of the building is the same, but has a staggered apperance(concertina effect)

If I can remember the heights they are 13.5, 14.5 15 and 16 storeys? Shortest building first from the back of the RBS building!

The building took two years to design.

Hopefully I will be getting some further information soon?

Ps. On the current renderings there is long building with a huge triangular overhang planned between RBS and John Rylands. It's situated where the MEN building currently stands. Looks very, very interesting!(gallery?)

Xmas tree's here just in time for Christmas.

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Just to confirm this is the design that has gone in for planning permission!

The opposite side of the building is the same, but has a staggered apperance(concertina effect)

If I can remember the heights they are 13.5, 14.5 15 and 16 storeys? Shortest building first from the back of the RBS building!

The building took two years to design.

Hopefully I will be getting some further information soon?

Ps. On the current renderings there is long building with a huge triangular overhang planned between RBS and John Rylands. It's situated where the MEN building currently stands. Looks very, very interesting!(gallery?)

Correction!

11, 12.5, 15 and 16 storeys high!

16-storey office block? (or is it the hotel?) If they have similar floor heights to CJC, we could be looking at 70-80m :)

16-storey office block? (or is it the hotel?) If they have similar floor heights to CJC, we could be looking at 70-80m :)

65m I would say. CJC is very unusual but then again we've never seen a highrise court building before, I reckon it will forever have the highest floorplates in the city(close to 5m on average), 3HSt will probably have floor heights of approx 4m which is average for a modern office block.

Btw, 460,000sqft will probably make this the biggest single office block in Manchester will it not? :?

Okay, cheers. Still pretty high, adding to the already large density in the area.

Btw, 460,000sqft will probably make this the biggest single office block in Manchester will it not? :?

Indeed. It's more than double City Tower's 225,000sqft

so we could've had a 200m 60 storey city tower on the site instead!! Blimey, it's big!

3 Hardman St should definaly be a taller building with all that space, i like it but i just think its a waste of an opportunity of a taller building

3 Hardman St should definaly be a taller building with all that space, i like it but i just think its a waste of an opportunity of a taller building

It's all about leasing the space though, and these days alot of potential tenants prefer massive floorplates of ~40,000sqft each than Sunley sized floorplates of ~9,000sqft.

It's all about leasing the space though, and these days alot of potential tenants prefer massive floorplates of ~40,000sqft each than Sunley sized floorplates of ~9,000sqft.
The largest floorplate in City Tower is apparently also the largest in Manchester at 43,000sqft.

Taken Friday!

Not bad as car parks go! Nice natural red stone and metal cladding!

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I'm not having this jrb, it's an excuse, these things should be underground!

The largest floorplate in City Tower is apparently also the largest in Manchester at 43,000sqft.

That's not in the tower though, it's in the podium above the shops.

That's not in the tower though, it's in the podium above the shops.
I never said otherwise. My point was that not all people require large floorplates. A large podium with a smaller tower is a good way to cater for everybody and it provides greater height. It's amazing how many companies DO want smaller floorplates, but don't want the insecurity of sharing floors with others. My personal opinion is that developments like Central Spine, with a few towers with small floorplates above podiums with larger ones, are the most sustainable.

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ah too small. Is that the site of 1 harman square on the top right???

That and the 8 storey office next to it.

A large podium with a smaller tower is a good way to cater for everybody and it provides greater height

A large podium and a small tower tends to create buildings like Piccadilly Plaza though. Not good. Central Spine is mixed use and proportions are nothing like those of City Tower and its 'Level 1' podium which, like Spinningfields is all office use.

Thanks jrb for confirming that the designs for 1 and 2 Hardman square are still being refined. I can't quite believe how many redesigns HS has been through already.

The new NCP is looking good. Im relieved to see Carey Jones have thankfully come good for their first building in central Manchester although if their website is to be believed this car park had a much bigger budget than would normally be the case.

I notice that the CJC has had one of those 'climbing tracks' fitted to the Bridge St end meaning we should see some of the glass cladding being applied to those fingers very shortly.

GMEN looking smart. Like the dark black cladding although i would have preferred it to be shinier to reference that other great media building of yester year the Express building. Also looks surprisingly good from the back - facing Sunlight House.

That and the 8 storey office next to it.

I thought half of that site is for 3HS?

A large podium and a small tower tends to create buildings like Piccadilly Plaza though. Not good. Central Spine is mixed use and proportions are nothing like those of City Tower and its 'Level 1' podium which, like Spinningfields is all office use.
Nothing like City Tower, except for the fact the tallest tower is only a bit taller and the floor plates will be about the same size... :crazy: Yet more proof that the situation between you and farsight is just the pot calling the kettle black. You have just as many fixed (and inaccurate) opinions about things as he does, yet you have a go at him for it.

I meant the relative proportions of the 'Level 1' podium and 'City Tower' as compared to the podium / tower arrangements within the central spine masterplan. One is a refurb; the other new build. One is office; the other mixed use. In other words, completely both different visually, functionally and economically. I should have been clearer but thank you for your kind words anyway. :)

This is all getting a little convoluted and silly now. So lets summarise it as follows.



Large modern office requirements tend to favour very large floorplates.

Towers with large podiums provide for modern, large floorplate office requirements whilst also making an impressive statement on the skyline but tend to be mixed use.

Such developments as at Central Spine are reported to be mixed use.

Hardman Square probably won't be substantially mixed use and therefore probably won't be able to take advantage of this arrangement - if it was indeed desirable given the vastly different physical context it sits in.

Piccadilly Plaza does feature one large 40,000 sq ft+ floor plate but only within the podium. It also features a tower element but the podium combined with the tower within this fully commercial scheme is only by virtue of partial conversion of a previously derelict podium and the two elements together do not make for a visually attractive, well proportioned building.




Misinformation, misunderstandings and several red herrings later and where has this got us? Probably nowhere.

Might be nothing but the newsagent on the ground floor of Quay House is now closed down , demolition next year we hope :) .

It hasn't closed down Highriser. The guy who owns it is considering turning it into a sandwich bar, or just giving it a lick of paint. He's still got an 18 month lease on it. He did say however, that he knows the building is due for demolition in the long run.

Just to let you know.

In the next few days I will be receiving a new brochure with renderings, images, and information about Spinningfields? The brochure was presented to the US banks in New York last week! There is a possibility that some of the renderings, images and information will be new? I haven't seen the brochure myself, so I don't know what to expect? So please don't be dissapointed if there isn't anything new! I have kindly been given permission to scan and upload the brochure, which I will do as soon as it arrives! Please note:The designs are still under development and will probably change!

I also have it on very good authority that the the building being designed for the plot of land between the RBS offices and John Rylands, where the MEN building currently satnds will be very special indeed! The design will reflect the buildings position as the gateway to the Spinningfields site from Deansgate and its importance in the context of the conservation area / Rylands Library / 1 Spin Sq. I have seen a rendering of the proposed building and it does look very interesting indeed!

Many thanks once again!:)

great post jrb. Looking forward to your scans. Particularly interested in this gateway building between 1 Spin Sq and the Rylands Library.

English Heritage will almost certainly have made their views known given the proximity to the Rylands so it will be interesting to see what kind of a "special" building results.

Mmmm , if this is the brochure that was shown to the yank's it's bound to have some juicy new info in it :)

If I'm not mistaken, the plan was for a chrimbo tree hotel which also went several stories underground (maybe onto some leisure facility) that was fronted by a wee square latching onto the pavement of Deansgate. Still look the same Jerb?

Cheers for all your magic work over the past few months, you've been a star.

Forget the Christmas tree!

Father christmas might be bringing us this?

A very poor effort by myself, but from what I can remember, it is very similar in shape to this!

It was taller then the side of the RBS building and the over hang was huge! The rendering shows people under the overhang and they looked very small underneath it!

Possible visitor centre or museum?

The design will reflect the buildings position as the gateway to the Spinningfields site from Deansgate and its importance in the context of the conservation area / Rylands Library / 1 Spin Sq.

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Nice one jrb. Iconic building anyone.?

Stirling work JRB.
I'd hazard a guess that the brochure might contain some provocative renders of 1 HS?
Home from home for the Nu Yawk'ns and all?

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The first aerial rendering of what the whole Spinnigfields site could finally look like?

No1 has changed again!

Please remember the masterplan and buildings are still subject to change!

Its on its way! :)