On behalf of team Ziggy & BC

Ohh ... Deary me, Look at this beauty. Its the winning entry of a design competition for a section of Birminghams Eastside scheme. :runaway: ... Here is the info :cheers:

http://www.kinetic-aiu.com/pages/projectpages/Urban%20Vision%20Menu.htm

Project: Tate Tower, Eastside, Birmingham
Key data: Winning entry in limited design competition for 250,000 sq.ft. office tower, art gallery and public piazza.
Completion: to be confirmed

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Ohhh, renderings, renderings, renderings.....love the colours again. Bit of a bummer that you can't click on the actual image of the tower, looks cool in the little thumbnail image

Thanks for that.

250,000 sqft Office Tower :runaway:

Thats at least 35-40 storeys, not to mention that stupid multi colured thing at the top, which could be anything from Art Gallery to a Restaurant and Bar, we could be looking at 150m+

So could the CAA so we're probably looking at 120-130 metres tops :toilet:

Even at just 10,000 sq ft per floor that would be just 25 floors and I suspect that it would have bigger floor plates than that. 15-20 floors is probable, unless they have understated the size of the office space.

So could the CAA so we're probably looking at 120-130 metres tops :toilet:

Im not to sure. I think the CAA ruling was just to show the public they cared. Look at London, Canary Wharf, right next to a bloody city aiport trying to expand.

Plus its at the back of Eastside. The restrictions become less restricted back there :)

Even at just 10,000 sq ft per floor that would be just 25 floors and I suspect that it would have bigger floor plates than that. 15-20 floors is probable, unless they have understated the size of the office space.

Arr yes, you could be right with that one, but if you look closely at the mini pic and thyese renders it still looks massive. Admittedly its that bastard thing at the top which does that. I wonder what it is. Art Gallery? Thats what the design competition asked for.

Im not to sure. I think the CAA ruling was just to show the public they cared. Look at London, Canary Wharf, right next to a bloody city aiport trying to expand.

Plus its at the back of Eastside. The restrictions become less restricted back there :)

As far as I know the CAA ruling has nothing to do with proximity to an airport, their ruling is that nationwide no man made structure (excluding telecommunication masts) can surpass 282metres above sea level....Canary Wharf is virtually at zero metres, just Bham's luck that we're the highest major city centre in the country.

Arr yes, you could be right with that one, but if you look closely at the mini pic and thyese renders it still looks massive. Admittedly its that bastard thing at the top which does that. I wonder what it is. Art Gallery? Thats what the design competition asked for.

It would be cool having an art gallery at the top of the tower.....with good design they could incorporate a lot of the window views into the actual experience of the gallery

Here you go. The first block is the ground floors about 6 storeys with a giant atrium plus another 4 storeys of Office plus 2 additional floors also with office but cut in towards the tower. The next Block is about 10 - 12 storeys of office about and then they final bit is the biggest bit and thats about as tall as the 2nd block and half of the 1st block combined, and is also very thin, which could act as a pinacle to the scheme.

So I if i do the maths correctly.

5x3.5 + 6 =23.5m 12x3.5 = 44 - 44+11 = 55

23.5 + 44 + 55 = 122.5m - But still I think it looks bigger. Its hard to tell with that tiny picture.

Well worked out BC, then again I've saw your estimates on the Orion Thread where you put the ground floor at 6 metres :crazy: ;)

Well worked out BC, then again I've saw your estimates on the Orion Thread where you put the ground floor at 6 metres :crazy: ;)

I could'nt see it properly ;)

Wow its all happening in Brum, i was thinking the other day it would be nice to have a Tate gallery here, Liverpool has one and Manchester the Lowry, so we need a rival.

I wonder where in Eastside its going to go?

fuck me that looks like the dogs bollocks!!!

hopefully this is for real and not anothe phanthom project

Just need a decent sized rendering of the tower itself for us to drool over

fuck me that looks like the dogs bollocks!!!

hopefully this is for real and not anothe phanthom project

Well im pretty sure that its not a phantom project, mainly due to all the renders released and it also winning a design competition for a major space of Birminghams regeneration area, which is probably the biggest indicator that its for real. Its got multi purposes aswell.

Steldemetriou, I couldnt agree more, A world class art gallery in a iconic landmark is just the boost this city needs for its image.

Now, Lets just wait for a damn big render of this tower :cheers:

I enlarged the thumbnail image and tried to sharpen it up a bit but there's only so much you can do.....here's my (blurred) effort anyway
http://tinypic.com/642l9u

Good effort - Would you agree its bigger the HCT? :dunno:

anyone else heard of these people before?????

this reminds me of the sort of thing the space needle was involved it. however, was anyone else aware there was a design competition for the eastise cuz i wasn't?????

Nope, first I've heard of it

i hate artist impressions like this...... nothing more than artists/architects putting their imagination onto paper. trust me.......IF this goes ahead, it will look nothing like the pictures!

anyone else heard of these people before?????

this reminds me of the sort of thing the space needle was involved it. however, was anyone else aware there was a design competition for the eastise cuz i wasn't?????

Arr dont be so damn pesismistic. The space needle didnt even have a link to the developers or archtects webpage. That was pie in the sky.
One project its doing at the moment, due for completion in 2006, which also won a design competition -

Project: The Lumiere Building, River Place, Manchester
Client: West Properties (UK) Limited
Key data: Winning entry in limited design competition for 138 new-build apartments with central courtyard on city centre brownfield site.
Completion: January 2006

http://www.kinetic-aiu.com/resized_images/1004_01.jpg

http://www.kinetic-aiu.com/resized_images/1004_02.jpg

Fuck what am I talking about, I know a company who entered that needle competiton. £12,000,000 was the price limit, thats all I knew :doh:

simplistic website, it has to be said.

Interesting proposal though - another good find BC - although I'm not at all keen on those massive lego bricks that seem to be stuck to the side of it. Like woody says, if this breaks the surface it wont look like that. I hope not at least.

I built my first skyscraper with lego bricks

Same here. Those were the days eh? No planning permission, no CAA. Just the ceiling.

It was last Thursday actually

May it be the first of many then ;)

The CAA have already contacted me....what with me living on the fourth floor already.....tossers

'...your pile of plastic bricks constitutes a danger to passing aircraft, please saw off the top immediately.'

Google image search threw up some dissapointing results but this one will do

'...your pile of plastic bricks constitutes a danger to passing aircraft, please saw off the top immediately.'

Bastards!!
http://members.allstream.net/~ckuhne/town/mixedcomm1.jpg

To me it looks like Tysley incinerater meets Lloyds Building London meets some kids lego tower

the actual photos weren't linked to the site, but i found them in the index...

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it's "unique" and "daring" to say the least

Well done Zigmonster....there's us lot faffing around and you find them straight away. I must say that would make a well welcome addition to Brums skyline

I see a cylindrical thing that looks like the IMAX cinema in the second image.

Good find zigmonster.

I count 34 floors.......anyone else?

sounds about right.

I can still count after half a bottle of vodka :banana: :banana: :banana:

The CAA has established that the top half of your vodka bottle constitutes a danger to passing aircraft.

And the bottom half constitutes a danger to my health if I carry on drinking......I'm off to kip, night night

night matey.

Oh my God!! go to work for a few hours - come home - click on ssc and guess what!?!

Another Tower For Birmingham!!!!!!!!!!

the NIMBYs are gonna have a field day what with this tower and the cube

WOW, if tate opens here thats a major boost for the city.....and thats a great tower too !!

Great pictures the Ziggy - Teamwork :cheers:

I count 34 floors.......anyone else?
I count 38 including all the bits inbetween that could be anything and the two observation decks at the top aswell.

P.S What a spire - 40m of the stuff :cheers:

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Is this adjacent to Millenium Point? It looks like the triangle of terraced gardens at the back and that would mean the cylinder that looks like the Imax might actually be the Imax. There is also a section of dual carrage way on the images which is in the right proximity to be Jennens Lane.

I remember they were talking about an ambitious second phase with additional visitor attractions. A Tate gallery would certainly fulfill the brief.

You could be right Spread, I see where you are coming from. By the looks of the ground renders aswell thee are underground floors as there is escaltors going into the ground.

But still the thing I love most is that 2 floor observation area right at the top of the building. Imagine the views from there over looking the whole of the city :runaway:

Pahhh - Manchester, we just gave them a head start ;) :cheers:

Well good news for Brum. What are the chances of this one going up?

Not keen on the design, the multicoloured brutalist-meets-postmodernism blocks make it look a right mess.

250,000 sqft Office Tower :runaway:

Thats at least 35-40 storeys, not to mention that stupid multi colured thing at the top, which could be anything from Art Gallery to a Restaurant and Bar, we could be looking at 150m+

Wouldn't use that as general rule. Some 400,000sqft office buildings are 10 floors!

Yeh, I corrected myself. Just look at Colmore Plaza ;)

I think they look quite trendy. Obviously we wont be able to get a proper idea of what they look like for a bit, but Im pretty confident that this will actually take of. It won a design competition and has obviously been asked to add a art gallery and a plaza so its hitting all the right signs.

Fuck me. It's an odd beast, but if it's gonna go anywhere, Eastside's the place for it. If it's across the road from Millenium Point that'll be class :)

This area is going to be jam packed with high-rises. It reminds my of skittles stuck on a half eaten choclate bar.

Looks very nice indeed.I hope they go ahead with the spire.Decoration,but really gives something to a building.

With this being so close to Millenium Point imagine the cluster around here :runaway:

very interesting, a mashed up post & mail tower, this is taller than what we originally expected at eastside.

The madder the better. And this is orange sausage.

Excellent.

remines me of that art demolished scottish exhibtion tower thing for soem reason. Thinksits the sticky outbit of colour becuase its generllay not that similar.

Yes Rigadon, it's very similar.That was a great tower.

I may be wrong but from what I can make out this is Millenium Point's carpark, beween the Imax and the rockface. The land's a little higher here too.

This could be amazing if it happens. A quick mockup with one of Blunthers pics shows how it would compliment Millienium points blockyness, especially if it was in similar materials. and if this tower is approved it could result in an oustanding art and science complex. A roof top observation deck makes me think this may be the bham needle :)

http://tinypic.com/65pfev

Nice one Fox :)

This won't happen.

Yes it could be the Needle!

This won't happen.

I think some people are missing what we know already, "Its wona design competition and was asked to include 250,000sqft of office and an art gallery. Beleive me they wouldnt have gone to all this trouble if it was just a quick dable.

I may be wrong but from what I can make out this is Millenium Point's carpark, beween the Imax and the rockface. The land's a little higher here too.

This could be amazing if it happens. A quick mockup with one of Blunthers pics shows how it would compliment Millienium points blockyness, especially if it was in similar materials. and if this tower is approved it could result in an oustanding art and science complex. A roof top observation deck makes me think this may be the bham needle :)

http://tinypic.com/65pfev

Thats great. :applause:

We need a new and updated future skyline render, anyone up for it? :cheers:

whatever size that is it looks too big for the CAA regulations so lets chop it down to size and get realistic cos a foot over their limit will be like 911 all over again....

Yes it could be the Needle!

Its not the needle, That was only a £12m scheme, this looks a tad more ;) :cheers:

Ghostdog, I still think those CAA rulings a pile of poo, I think they were just enforced to reasure the public. Once AC gets built proposals will come in much higher then what we are getting at the moment.

I think some people are missing what we know already, "Its wona design competition and was asked to include 250,000sqft of office and an art gallery. Beleive me they wouldnt have gone to all this trouble if it was just a quick dable.
A competition winner usually means 2 things. Either:
-It wont be built at all
-It wont be built for ages
But there is the odd miracle every now and then ;)

A competition winner usually means 2 things. Either:
-It wont be built at all
-It wont be built for ages
But there is the odd miracle every now and then ;)

Believe me, when I say this or something similar will be built here. Its for Birminghams biggest regeneration project, and as posted earlier on these threads, the other design comps they have won are all u/c including one in Manchester.

If it was any piece of land I woudl feel the same, but its not, its prime estate which is being developed as we speak. This is definately for real, but how long till we here about it. who knows.

Okay, fair enough. I was just recollecting how Criterion Place has virtually had nothing happen to it since it won.

Its not the needle, That was only a £12m scheme, this looks a tad more ;) :cheers:

Ghostdog, I still think those CAA rulings a pile of poo, I think they were just enforced to reasure the public. Once AC gets built proposals will come in much higher then what we are getting at the moment.

yes buthave you read the high places document? The number of times it stresses the absolute maximum height is tiring. Why would any developer build high after reading that, theyd just go to another city.

Someone also mentioned a while bakc that there was a piece on Midlands Today about HCT and, when asked why the Beetham Manchester tower was higher, the council member said building higher here was impossible due to the regulations - he quoted the high places document. Seems pretty much straightjacketed....

As for AC, were buggered if we have to wait for that to be built.

Its this height limit and the hysterical objections to the underground which makes me think there isnt really the passion to make Birmingham anything special - there seems to be the philisophy that if you try hard youll just get disappointed so why bother...

we need to get the CAA regulations changed, otherwise we might aswell remove birmingham from the "skyscraper" forums...

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yes, It's a little optimistic but why not. I count about 39/40 floors plus the spire. This wouldn't make it much taller than HCT, 140m perhaps

I walked down to Millenium point on saturday and the place was dead. The council and Advantage West Midlands must be desparate to do something sooner rather than later. Although it's early days the fact that this proposal has been tabled is a very good sign and could be Bhams answer the Baltic in Newcastle which has done great things for the perception of the city. A gallery tower combined with the park really could turn MP around.

Anyone else think it looks a slightly mad version of the Post and Mail building

It looks a bit like something from Thunderbirds made out of Lego. Is this some kiddies competition or what?

I know what you mean Fox.Take a look at this link.It's the structure Rigadon and myself mentioned earlier.Very similar..Tate Tower Glasgow.
http://skyscrapernews.com/images.php?se=nse&ref=2338&idi=Tate+tower

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yes, It's a little optimistic but why not. I count about 39/40 floors plus the spire. This wouldn't make it much taller than HCT, 140m perhaps



Remember it's office though. They tend to have higher ceilings...

I ... not to mention some of the floors look 4m +

Im guessing ceiling height is about 150m-160m+ then another 40m of spire.

200m? i love your optamism,
but no chance in brum. sorry mate.

Whats the CAA limit? 242m above sea level or something? How high above sea level is this towers site?

LBT got through the system at 310m and there was nothing from the CAA on that. Then theres Canary Wharf which technically is below the limit but still has a busy airport runway directly facing it just 2 miles away! It's one rule for London, one for the rest.

Yep. I have confidence that the CAA ruling isn't absolutely concrete, or, as you say. LBT wouldn't stand a chance, and the new DIFA Tower would probably breach regulkations too. Beetham reckons he could've built HCT over the height if he'd had the time, so here's hoping... :cheers:

It's all a bunch of flying arse anyway hen you think about it logically. Same goes for most things in this world :jippo:

Blimey another tower out of nowhere?? A bit of a strange looking thing too but this is one of those proposals you just know is going to become more conservative and its gets further along the planning stages. Not too sure of it myself but another interesting proposal but its the thought of local practices thinking big and looking to build towers which is the most encouraging aspect of all.

Just think of the massive proposals that are going to come forward for each of the major phases of Eastside, The fact that they got a near blank canvass to work from means that anything is possible.

Where would this fit together with the rest of Eastside?

Where would this fit together with the rest of Eastside?

Close proimity to Millenium Point, the Library and Masshouse.

On behalf of team Ziggy & BC

Ohh ... Deary me, Look at this beauty. Its the winning entry of a design competition for a section of Birminghams Eastside scheme. :runaway: ... Here is the info :cheers:

http://www.kinetic-aiu.com/pages/projectpages/Urban%20Vision%20Menu.htm

Project: Tate Tower, Eastside, Birmingham
Key data: Winning entry in limited design competition for 250,000 sq.ft. office tower, art gallery and public piazza.
Completion: to be confirmed

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I have to say that this new Tate Tower looks remarkably similar to old Tate Tower in Bellahouston Park, Glasgow for the Empire Exhibition in 1938.

http://www.clyde-valley.com/glasgow/empires.jpg

And even got the same name! lol

Yep, we have already discussed this. Read thread.

Oppps sorry I skipped!

I have to say that this new Tate Tower looks remarkably similar to old Tate Tower in Bellahouston Park, Glasgow for the Empire Exhibition in 1938.

http://www.clyde-valley.com/glasgow/empires.jpg

And even got the same name! lol

Take a look at the 1930s Glasgow Tower, see how it's a beautiful piece of Art Deco design,note the way that the 3 horizontal bars even out the tapering of the other side. Now look at the Birmingham one, it's an example of a bog standard 1960 tower block with a couple of zany and whacky pieces sticking out at funny angles, who was the architect? Timmy Mallett?

It's a good idea, but needs rejiging, possibly being a bit more, errr, influenced by the Glasgow Tower?

BTW are their any colour pictures of the Glasgow Tate Building?

Christ, it's not even a proper render. Be patient.

lol, thats something that many brummies just dont have lol!

Christ, it's not even a proper render. Be patient.

Alas, you have mistaken me, I am not the Christ.

Well the original post was more light harted in tone, with a "Well, that's what I think anyway", and a little run away gif, but that got eaten by space cows when I press submit, and the second one was a little more sharper!

BTW what happened to the idea of moving Warickshire Cricket Club and Birmingham City grounds to East Side?

I didn't just make that up did i?

That said a Cricket Ground would look great, just imagine the cameras taking pictures of all the new Buildings, during the slow bits. And with the great big art Deco Tate tower looming over it? Best advert for Birmingham.

I know its a long shot, but I cannot understand why it would enter a design competition and win if highrise structures werent allowed in Eastside. Im sure this is where the Brum Needle was gonna be located ...

this is purely a vision and is going to change an awful lot before anything gets built...if at all....... it would be nice yes but hey.

anyway, the new statdium is only going to be for football i think and athletic events and will be placed on the birmingham weels park in saltey if they can get the casino approved there!

this is purely a vision and is going to change an awful lot before anything gets built...if at all....... it would be nice yes but hey.

anyway, the new statdium is only going to be for football i think and athletic events and will be placed on the birmingham weels park in saltey if they can get the casino approved there!

Maybe it's because I always lived the West of the city, but I'm not I'd consider the NEC to be true Brum. So I hope the Blue noses get it. Well, it's ALWAYS a gamble with them isn't it?

hey, no pun intended lol


yeah, i dont really consider the NEC as Birmingham...well on a local scale anyway, nationally yes though......

Maybe it's because I always lived the West of the city, but I'm not I'd consider the NEC to be true Brum. So I hope the Blue noses get it. Well, it's ALWAYS a gamble with them isn't it?
What an interesting contrast with a certain Manchester forumer and others up there who consider that city envelops a far greater area than in reality it does. In Birmingham we can't even get round to accepting our own NEC! Don't you just love the modest nature of 'the Brummie'?! :)

lol, its just so far away lol

Maybe we should rename BHX, (only 8 miles distant..) as 'Bickenhill International Airport..

This is the most hideous design I've ever seen...... ever!

This is the most hideous design I've ever seen...... ever!

Well luckily its just a vision at the moment. probily will never get built, but if it does it wouldn't look like that.

That thing in Glasgow looked nice. Why'd they demolish it?!

they thought that the Nazis could use it as a navgation tol during the war..so i believe.....and it bit the dust!

.....during WWII lol

Umm ... not sure what to make of it, but on Kinetics new website, Tate Tower has been moved from "urban vision" to "new building projects" ... very, very interesting considering all the other visions havent moved at all :cheers1:

http://www.kinetic-aiu.com/menu.html

Hmmmn....

http://www.kinetic-aiu.com/images/urbanvisionmenu

Thunderbirds, are Go!

:)

but surely if this was going ahead we would hacve heard about it more in the press by now?

but surely if this was going ahead we would hacve heard about it more in the press by now?

No, not neccesarily, as you can see from the renders, this is on the left hand side of Millenium point, this part of East-side want be touched for another few years yet, well until Masshouse, City Park Gate and the new park get underway or finish

the lack of information regarsd eastside is a joke.....its as if the only people the council, AWM and the other partners involved want to talk to is each other....what about the general public

So the interesting matter is this going to happen or not, It's a beautiful tower, if it is when

your bloody impatient aint ya??

I am strait to the point.

So the interesting matter is this going to happen or not, It's a beautiful tower, if it is when
No, or at least not in that design. Will be lucky to get a tower at all.

Doh why tough

I don't think it's been proposed to the city yet. It's just a design contest winner. Long-shot.

Oh so that's been a bit thick it is just a possibilty at the moment, why don't they propose i the thick shits

I hope this tower gets built, it would be great. A shame the similar looking one in Glasgow was pulled down...

wow i love tate tower all ready, makes me think LEGO, hope you get it guys!!!

RIP :fiddle:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=6868326#post6868326

Shame, but not suprising - this is Birmingham afterall ;)

I loved the design, think it could of been a big tourist attraction. Nevermind. bring on ... ermmm ...

how do we know its been shelved ?

We knew it from the day we heard of it...

Accura why is Prestons development page empty?