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SinCity

June 28th, 2005, 05:45 AM

Time to build some more IMO ;) ...

27.06.2005 17:41

TURIZAM Dio dubrovačkih hotela preprodao svoje kapacitete pa se krenulo sa zaustavljanjem dalje prodaje
Dubrovački hoteli puni sve do kraja listopada
Autor Marija BIKIĆ

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/050627/dal-dubrovnik-txt.jpg

DUBROVNIK - Dubrovnik je top destinacija prema procjeni mnogih uglednih svjetskih časopisa i televizijskih kuća, ali još neobnovljenih oko osam tisuća hotelskih kreveta na širem dubrovačkom području doveli su i ove sezone do toga da je smještaj u dubrovačkim hotelima vrlo tražen i to sve do kraja listopada.
No zbog velikog zanimanja i straha od sezonskih rupa prodaje nekih dubrovačkih hotela, preprodali su svoje kapacitete pa sada muku muče gdje smjestiti goste. Događaju se i neugodne situacije kada gostima zbog prebukiranosti nude raznorazne zamjenske smještaje čak i preko državne granice - u Budvu i Neum, a već se krenulo i sa zaustavljanjem dalje prodaje.

- Iz većine dubrovačkih hotela počeli smo dobivati najave za stopiranje bookinga za sljedeća tri mjeseca - rekao je tehnički direktor Atlasa, jedne od najvećih dubrovačkih turističkih agencija, Vlado Lučić. - Ako je prekomjerni booking (overbooking) tragedija, onda je "stopbooking" (zaustavljena prodaja) još veća. Mi još u Atlasu možemo nešto smještaja kompezirati i goste poslati u privatne apartmane. No tu je i pitanje čarter letova koji ih dovoze. Ako nema mjesta, letjet će poluprazni ili čak prazni. Stoga to izaziva negodovanje stranih partnera, touroperatora. Prema mojim informacijama, već su se neki žalili u predstavništva Hrvatske turističke zajednice, primjerice u Francuskoj.

HTZ je zadužena za marketing i potroši puno novca na promociju i preporučuje jednu destinaciju, a tada se dogodi da više nema prostora za smještaj nijednoga gosta - požalio se Lučić. Stoga bi trebalo, predlaže, da HTZ bude svojstveni koordinator između touroperatora, nas agencija i hotela kako bi se ovakve situacije ubuduće izbjegle koliko je moguće.

- Teško je biti kordinator - dovoljno je biti profesionalac, a naš je posao pozivati goste i promovirati odredište, ne zalazimo u sferu poduzetništva i ugovaranja poslova. Mi smo odavno upozoravali da je potražnja veća od ponude, posebice na dubrovačkom području. Sve ima svoju granicu - ne možete jednu hotelsku postelju prodati pet puta, slažem se da je overbooking prešao prihvatljivu granicu i da će to imati određene negativne posljednice u rezultatu poslovanja s poslovnim partnerima. Stoga o tome treba dobro razmisliti prilikom planiranja sljedeće sezone kako se ovakve situacije izbjegle, no Dubrovnik je top destinacija i dalje će biti vrlo tražena - kaže direktor TZ-a Dubrovačko-neretvanske županije Vlado Bakić.

:)

SinCity

June 28th, 2005, 05:53 AM

27.06.2005 19:30

KOMPANIJE Našička kompanija želi preuzeti crnogorski "Agrokombinat 13. juli"
Podgorički Vranac uskoro u Nexe grupi
Autor BRANKO VRBOŠIĆ

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/050627/pos-vranac-txt.jpg

Našička Nexe grupa u igri je za još jedno važno regionalno preuzimanje. Riječ je o Agrokombinatu 13. juli A. D. Plantaže iz Podgorice. Našičani su lani posjetili nekoliko tvrtki u Crnoj Gori i raspitivali se o mogućim akvizicijama u industriji cementa i građevinskih materijala. No, oduševio ih je proizvođač glasovitog vina vranac. Doznajemo da će idućih mjeseci kompanija pokušati na Montenegro burzi steći što veći paket dionica Agrokombinata i tako se pripremiti za konačno preuzimanje te tvrtke.

"Vinsko" iskustvo
Budući da je Našicecement doslovno iz pepela izvukao vinariju FeraVino u Feričancima, danas jednu od najmodernijih u Hrvatskoj, ne iznenađuje što se razmišlja i o ovakvim akvizicijama. Unatoč zatišju, u Nexe grupi snimaju se nove akvizicije u Hrvatskoj, BiH, SiCG, a na pragu su akvizicije koja se može mjeriti s najvećima dosad.
Našicecement je objavio javnu ponudu za kupnju udjela u A.D. Toza Marković iz Kikinde. Namjeravamo steći minimalno 25 posto, a maksimalno 49 posto udjela, a s obzirom na ponuđenu cijenu od 28,10 eur/dionica, očekivati je velik broj zainteresiranih. Našicecement je prije raspisivanja javne ponude imao 1,81 posto udjela u toj tvornici crijepa i keramičkih pločica, te bi, ako javna ponuda u potpunosti uspije, postala i većinski vlasnik obavijest je uprave Nexe grupe.
Nexe grupa u Srbiji već ima tvornicu opeke Stražilovo, tvornicu crijepa i keramičkih pločica Polet iz Novog Bečeja, te tvornicu vapna Jelen Do iz Jelen Dola.

Uskoro i T. Marković
Kupovinom Toze Markovića tržišni udjel Nexe grupe u Srbiji znatno bi se povećao. Uostalom Toza Marković je sa 40 posto udjela najveći proizvođač crijepa i keramičkih pločica u Srbiji i Crnoj Gori.
Preuzimanjem A. D. Toza Marković, Nexe grupa postala bi vodeći proizvođač crijepa u regiji i keramičkih pločica u SiCG. Tom bi se sinergijom ostvarila još veća efikasnost i ekonomičnost poslovanja ističe Ergović.Nexe grupa ne odustaje ni od akvizicija u Hrvatskoj. Po svemu sudeći, Kamen Ingrad ostat će samo potencijal jer je njegova zaduženost prerizična. Zato se tiho radi na razvoju cijele mreže betonara u Hrvatskoj, BiH, SiCG, ali uskoro i u Pečuhu u Mađarskoj, četvrtoj državi na koju se proizvodnjom proširuje našički regionalni igrač.

:D

bubach_hlubach

June 28th, 2005, 06:00 AM

Hey SC, what is so funny about Nexe group taking over some companies from our neighbourhood ? ;) :D

SinCity

June 28th, 2005, 06:05 AM

Hey SC, what is so funny about Nexe group taking over some companies from our neighbourhood ? ;) :D

Oh nothing ......... :D Something tells me we are going to see more and more of it. ;)

bubach_hlubach

June 28th, 2005, 06:09 AM

Most Croatian companies that became owners of foreign companies, whether is it in our region or somewhere further abroad, they do very good business - they pay good and invest a lot in expansion of their business. :)

SinCity

June 28th, 2005, 06:20 AM

A lot of media coverage in both Hungary and Slovenia over the full opening of the A1 motorway. :yes:

Basically it now take Slovenes in Ljubljana only 3.5 hours to hit the Croatian coast at the port city of Zadar. Previously it took 14 hours. Thats now over 10 hours less!!!!!! :eek:

Also the Hungarians are now happy because they can have weekend trips on the coast because the new motorway is faster and safer.

Well done Croatia. ;)

News in Croatian ....
http://www.vjesnik.hr/html/2005/06/28/Clanak.asp?r=unu&c=1

SinCity

June 28th, 2005, 07:11 AM

News from Serbia ...

Croatia opens direct Europe-Adriatic route | 20:22 June 27 | B92

ZAGREB -- Monday – Following the official opening of the last 33 kilometres, the Dalmatina Motorway, joining Zagreb and the Dalmatian coastal city of Split, was opened to traffic last night.

The 380 kilometre motorway includes 26 bridges, 50 viaducts, 91 flyovers, 78 underpasses, 25 ramps, 14 tunnels and five livestock crossings which altogether comprise 18.6 per cent of the total route. Construction cost 17 billion kunas (about 2.3 billion euros). The result is a 130 kilometre-per-hour road, cutting the transit time between Croatia’s two largest cities to just four hours.

Prime Minister Ivo Sanader declared the motorway open at a ceremony in Skradina.

“In the history of every nation there is a special moment when a generation dreams of one goal. Today we have the privilege of being part of the generation which has created free Croatia and also connected the north and south of Croatia,” said Sanader.

The prime minister also gave warm thanks to his predecessor and political rival, Ivica Racun, whose government made the crucial decision to continue construction on the Dalmatina.

A special mention was given at the opening to the Croatian politicians of the end of the 1960s members of the Croatian Spring who were the driving force behind the idea of the motorway. “If the Croatian Spring had not been broken up and the road built, today Croatia would be a completely developed country,” said President Stjepan Mesic.

Mesic described the motorway as linking not only southern and northern Croatia, but also Europe and the Mediterranean, and as giving Croatia the chance to seize all opportunities. Now, he said, Croatia is linked to Munich and Bavaria and Munich has become a completely Mediterranean city, because it is now only a few hours’ drive from the sea. :)

The Dalmatina project was launched almost forty years ago. The first initiative was taken by Savka Davcevic-Kucar and Dragutin Haramije but the project was revived only after the former Yugoslav republic became independent. The first stage to be completed was the building of the St Rok tunnel through Velebit ten years ago. Four years later the US firm Bechtel began work in Lica and, at the beginning of 2001, the former Racan Government began what seemed the ambitious plan to finish the motorway by the summer of 2005.

Most expensive in Europe

Travellers on the Dalmatina will pay one of the highest tolls in Europe. The 280 kilometres from Zagreb to Split costs 157 kunas (21.5 euros) in tolls, more than the luxury motorways through the EU countries. The average toll on European motorways is about fifteen per cent less.

To reach the Dalmatian coast from Serbia via the Belgrade-Zagreb motorway then the Dalmatina costs a total of 250 kunas (about 35 euros) in tolls.

Sanader announced earlier that the toll fees will probably be discounted during winter months. The prime minister said that the toll fees will be used to pay the loans raised for building the motorway.

http://www.b92.net/english/news/index.php?&nav_category=&nav_id=32305&order=priority&style=headlines

Kommandant Mark

June 28th, 2005, 07:19 AM

Most important quote:

"Sanader announced earlier that the toll fees will probably be discounted during winter months. The prime minister said that the toll fees will be used to pay the loans raised for building the motorway. "

I think its good that it wasn't built by concession, which would have probably seen some foreign firm control the highway for some 20-30 or even more years.

long foot

June 28th, 2005, 08:35 AM

Hey SC, what is so funny about Nexe group taking over some companies from our neighbourhood ? ;) :D

Hm hm, I think Sincity feels good when our companies do the same thing in SCG and BiH, what Austria and Germany are doing here ;)

Dadek, great pics, thank you very much :)

SinCity

June 28th, 2005, 08:53 AM

Hm hm, I think Sincity feels good when our companies do the same thing in SCG and BiH, what Austria and Germany are doing here ;)

Dadek, great pics, thank you very much :)

I say ..... "Lets share the love". :D

bubach_hlubach

June 28th, 2005, 09:17 AM

Hm hm, I think Sincity feels good when our companies do the same thing in SCG and BiH, what Austria and Germany are doing here ;)

Dadek, great pics, thank you very much :)

Actually not, i would say there is a huge difference what Croatian companies do when buy a foreign company and what foreign companies do in Croatia.
Croatian companies mostly keep and expand productivity hiring more and more people which also raises GDP in those countries - in one word it could be called greenfield investments.
Hmmm, while Austrian and German (financial and banking) companies are kind of parasites for our economy, of course they do it to us because they have blessing from our retarted government! The best living example of it was the deal our government signed with Deutsche Telekom :devil:
Hopefuly that will change soon :)

mic of Orion

June 28th, 2005, 06:46 PM

:) :)

mic of Orion

June 28th, 2005, 07:34 PM

mic of Orion

June 28th, 2005, 09:36 PM

ffs, ssc is getting slow,

mic of Orion

June 28th, 2005, 09:39 PM

gwinczlav

June 29th, 2005, 01:02 AM

Zagreb je u posljednjih pet mjeseci posjetilo 15 posto više turista nego lani u istom razdoblju, što je najveći turistički uspjeh u posljednjih deset godina. Svibanj je pritom bio udarni mjesec, u kojem je zabilježeno 33 posto više dolazaka, a 37 posto više noćenja nego lani. To konkretno znači da je Zagreb u proteklih pola godine posjetilo gotovo milijun turista, a isto ih je toliko još i noćilo.
Mick, the figures are wrong.
Above, i have quoted part of article published in Vecernji list (http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/regions/zagreb/317906/index.do) (not sure if was posted on this forum?)

Article says that in the first five months of 2005 15% more tourists visited Zagreb than in the first five months of 2004. Later on they say concretly that's 1 million tourists wich is :weird: :hammer: :hm: :crazy:

And guess what, your prediction is right 80000/507000 = 15% :nocrook:

gwinczlav

June 29th, 2005, 01:05 AM

What the hell is wrong with my post counter?
I don't have 4 posts

mic of Orion

June 29th, 2005, 01:22 AM

Mick, the figures are wrong.
Above, i have quoted part of article published in Vecernji list (http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/regions/zagreb/317906/index.do) (not sure if was posted on this forum?)

Article says that in the first five months of 2005 15% more tourists visited Zagreb than in the first five months of 2004. Later on they say concretly that's 1 million tourists wich is :weird: :hammer: :hm: :crazy:

And guess what, your prediction is right 80000/507000 = 15% :nocrook:

lol, lol, I thought to be something wrong, lol,

about the counter, to, I had over 800, and now I am on 680, lol, I really don't care to be honest as long as I don't have more posts than some more attending members here I am very happy, I hate being one who would look as if I live on this forum, lol....
:)

SinCity

June 29th, 2005, 01:27 AM

What the hell is wrong with my post counter?
I don't have 4 posts

The other threads once they are full end up in archive if we need to reference them at a later date. By moving them to archive this causes your post count to drop. Bummer. I lost over 300 or so off my total. :(

mic of Orion

June 29th, 2005, 01:41 AM

Well my predictions are this

Zagreb Tourism in Numbers,

2004 - 507 000 Tourists - 1.25 million Nights (about 320 million Euros from tourism)
2005 - 587 000 Tourist - 1.5 million nights, - 450 million Euros from tourism
2006 - 712 000 Tourist - 1.8 million nights, - 550 million Euros from tourism,
2007 - 850 000 Tourist - 2.1 million nights, 700 million Euros from tourism
2008 - 1020 000 Tourist, - 2.5 million nights - 1000 million Euros from tourism
2009 - 1240 000 - Tourist - 3 million nights, - 1200 million Euros from tourism
2010 - 1.52 million tourist, - 3.25 million tourist nights, - 1500 million Euros from Tourism.

By 2020, this would double and Zagreb should be major Tourist Destination in this parts....

Data for some Croatian cities in 2004,
Split - 984 000 tourist
Dubrovnik - 975 000
Pula - 685 00
Zadar - 875 000
Varazdin - 189 000
Osijek - 172 000

Just for comparison, some foreign cities
Tallinn attracts 1.85 million foreign tourist,
Riga - 1.65 million
Vilnius, - 1.75 million
Ljubljana - 325 000 (But I do think it attracts more just not all stay in Ljubljana)
Sarajevo - 206 000 (not entirely sure, numbers might be higher this are 2002 figures from Columbus)
Budapest 2.35 million
Prague - 7.2 million
Warsaw - 924 000
Krakow - 1.45 million
Gdansk - 1.25 million

all data for last year....

gwinczlav

June 29th, 2005, 01:42 AM

About post counter.
It sucks but who cares anyway. We're not postwhores.

mic of Orion

June 29th, 2005, 01:44 AM

The other threads once they are full end up in archive if we need to reference them at a later date. By moving them to archive this causes your post count to drop. Bummer. My lost over 300 or so off my total. :(

when Zagreb thread 6 gores to post-mortem, we all going to lose few posts, I guess, me at least 50, lol,

SinCity

June 29th, 2005, 02:41 AM

About post counter.
It sucks but who cares anyway. We're not postwhores.

True, I'm here for business too, but when you asked the question and I saw that my own count dropped by over 300 ..... I immediately thought WTF :D

SinCity

June 29th, 2005, 02:47 AM

bubach_hlubach

June 29th, 2005, 06:56 AM

Interesting comparison Mic! Zagreb truely is under-rated compared to other similar cities and capitals. That will change fast as per your predictions show. Zagreb is always going to find it hard because of the powerful competion of the Croatian coast (now, less than 2.5 hours away!). Tourists most likely visit in the summer months, but by then the Agramers too all hit the coast which leaves the city almost deserted. Zagreb and Croatian tourism needs to strive for all year round tourism. Look at the article I posted yesterday on Dubrovnik. Its all booked out up to the end of October. That shows demand there can be all-year-round. :)

This is very true! Zagreb has had very hard time attracting a large number of tourists, but it is not to blame our strongly competetive coastal tourism only, the problem is more complex than that. Zagreb is not interested in mass tourism, but for developing cultural and congress tourism, so educational and material status of average Zagreb's foreign tourist proves it perfectly as well.
To spend a night at some of Zagreb's hotels, in best case scenario you'll have to pay at least a 100 euro, that is why you hardly ever see 'backpackers' in Zg (they make around 50 percent of tourist traffic in Prague or Budapest), as there is desperate lack of youth hostels and cheap accomodation, too.
But yeah, Zagreb doesnt spend too much on its tourist promotion either, it just takes a minute to browse through Zagreb's official tourist website to see what i am talking about, pics from early 90's are part of it, too lol.

Anyways. i think i should start complaining since there has been increase of 15% :)

SinCity

June 29th, 2005, 08:27 AM

bubach_hlubach

June 29th, 2005, 09:33 AM

I'd like to see Zagreb promoted more. Its got the right stuff to become very popular. Anyway, its not up to the city government or tourist board because it all comes down to supply and demand. As more people learn of what Zagreb can offer then they'll keep coming. In the end they'd be stupid not to cater to diverse groups of tourists whether they are high spenders or back packers. I think the tourists are gonna keep coming, more and more, whether they promote or dont. :D

Yeah, the 15% increase meets your theory about unimportant promotion lol
Besides my observations stated in my post above, which are btw true in many ways, there is something weird about Zagreb in terms of its tourist situtation. Zagreb's geographical position is pretty good, right in the triangle of Budapest and Vienna, plus tourists from central-western Europe when heading down to the coast, they must pass by Zagreb. All tourists that visit Zagreb are amazed by its charm and beauty! :)
Hmmm, I would say Zagreb needs a better promotion...a good start would be to put new photos of it on the tourist website, including the main Croatian tourist board website which speaking of Zagreb, offers just four pics of....some fields around Zagreb :D
Check Zagreb at www.croatia.hr ;)

:cheers:

long foot

June 29th, 2005, 11:21 AM

promocija, hoteli, hosteli... hm, mislim da je problem, kao i uvijek u našem kilavom poglavarstvu, koje već godinma ne uspijeva postaviti ni smeđu (turističku) signalizaciju, a o ostalim stvarima da ne govorim. Mislim, smiješno je da Prag zarađuje od turizma koliko i cijela Hrvatska. A prednost Zagreba, u odnosu na Budimpeštu, Beč i Prag je ta što se grad nalazi na putu ka moru i 90 posto turista iz Srednje Europe prolazi neposredno kraj Zagreba kad putuje na more. I mislim da ne bi trebalo puno truda da se barem 10 posto njih nagovori da svrate i u grad, mislim, kad su već tu, zašto ne, ja bih da posjećujem neku zemlju i da prolazim kraj glavnog grada, barem svratio na kavu. A kad si već u gradu, zašto ne pogledati i koju izložbu, katedralu, Mimaru... Problem je u turističkoj zajednici grada ZAgreba koja uopće ne sudjeluje s Hrvatskom turističkom zajednicima na promocijama po inozemstvu. Kužite, strancima je more sinonim za Hrvatsku. Zagreba nema ni na kojem turističkom sajmu...
Kad je riječ o kulturnoj ponudi, u zadnjih pet godina, ona se sigurno udvostručila.

Čisto da spomenem najvažnije međunarodne festivale koji se održavaju u Zagrebu:
- Zagreb film festival (od 2003) - održava se u listopadu
- Muzički bennale Zagreb, festival suvremene glazbe (svake druge godine u proljeće)
- Tjedan suvremenog plesa, jedan od najvažnijih plesnih festivala u Europi, dolaze najveća imena suvremenog plesa
- Festival svjetskog kazališta (od 2003) - mainstream festival suvremenog kazališta
- Eurokaz - festival suvremenog kazališta
- Zagrebački barokni festival
- Međunarodna smotra folklora
- Earwing jazz festival
- Festival aternativnog kazališnog izričaja (FAKI)
- Festival studentskog kazališta

Itd itd...

O standarndnoj kultunoj ponudi, muzejima, izložbama, klubovima itd suvišno je trošiti riječi. Toliko toga ima, ali je neiskorišteno. U Zagrebu se svake godine organizira (vjerovali ili ne) oko 1500 kongresa, a Zagreb tek sad pokušava sagraditi kongresni centar. Smiješno i žalosno, ali Lisinski je najveći kongresni centar, iako nije građen za tu namjenu.

gwinczlav

June 30th, 2005, 01:16 AM

^^
Agreed, there are lots of things going on in ZG. Cuck Berry was in ZG :clown: .

BTW when we are talking about A1 highway, lets just mention that A7 highway which goes from Rijeka to border crossing with Slovenia called Rupa will be wholy opened on 30.6.2005.

It costed 720 milion kunas, one tunnel, one intersection , eight overpasses, five underpasses, two animal passes and one elevated section. Total length 16.3 kms

Puštanjem u promet posljednje dionice od slovenske granice, preko Rupa do Jurdana, duljine 11 kilometara,u četvrtak će svečano biti otvorena i cijela autocesta A7, od Rijeke do mjesta Rupa na hrvatsko-slovenskoj granici, ukupne duljine 16,3 kilometra.

SinCity

June 30th, 2005, 02:09 AM

mic of Orion

June 30th, 2005, 03:04 PM

Crazy about Zagreb. Its almost as if they want Croatia to be solely known for the coast and little else. Pity, the capital Zagreb itself can become a fantastic year round destination but its as if they almost dont care. Bizarre.

Anyway, if you read around the world, a lot of papers, magazines make reference to Zagreb being an undiscovered jem and state that people always head for the coast and should make the small effort to explore the capital.

Numbers are constantly growing so its not like anyone has a say. Zagreb is fast growing into a European tourist attraction in itself. :yes:

My predictions for City of Zagreb are only basic, very conservative to say the lest, I could be wrong, and my numbers might not be even close, after all Zagreb tourist organisation has all the data and know much better what is the trend, my predictions where made sometimes ago and if city's tourist board says they had million foreign tourist who am I to judge them lol....

Lets hope Zagreb does attract more foreign visitors, if it becomes Prague I would have nothing against, lol....

PS. does anyone have pics of Croatian Presidential Palace cose I don't know where it is?

Are they still doing change of guard at Mark's Square?

Daniela

June 30th, 2005, 05:59 PM

Talking about hotel occupancy this is part of the article "Tourism Infrastructure-Croatia 2005" written by Damjan Bencic, US Embassy Zagreb:

"The main problem with developing Croatia’s tourism industry is the relatively short season of just 2-3 summer months. In 2004, the average occupancy at hotels was 136 days/year, 89 at hotel & tourism resorts, 62 at camps, and 35 days/year at private accommodation. Only the best-positioned hotels can reach higher occupancy rates, such as for example the Hotel Excelsior in Dubrovnik that had 70% (255 days) of occupancy in 2004 (its average room price was 125 Euros). Discussions are ongoing along the coast to improve the recreational and entertainment possibilities that would attract more visitors outside the peak season."

Daniela

June 30th, 2005, 06:07 PM

Also part of the same article:

"Privatization of State-Owned Hotels & Resorts
In 2005, the Croatian Privatization Fund (a government agency) intends to sell its majority stake in the twelve remaining state-owned hotel & resort companies to strategic investors. Tenders will be published for each company separately, according to a schedule determined by the Croatian government. The companies to be privatized are listed and briefly described on the website of the Fund and more detailed information is available upon request. Investors are encouraged to establish contact early with the Fund to express their interest for a specific company with a letter of intent. The Fund prefers
investors with a track record in the hotel industry, ready to commit to improvement of the facilities and capable of increasing the number of guests and quality of services.

Reconstruction and Upgrade of Former Military-Owned Resorts
The Croatian government has established a company, Club Adriatic, d.o.o., to handle the privatization of three tourist resorts and several hotels and camps, formerly used exclusively by the Yugoslav and then the
Croatian army. The three resorts include hotels, bungalows, and camps, with
abundant land at the most attractive locations on the Adriatic coast. Club
Adriatic has hired several consultants to provide ideas on basic development
concepts for these resorts. It will pick the most attractive idea for each resort, have a master plan developed followed by a detailed urban plan for approval by the local municipalities. Club Adriatic will offer 74% ownership in each of these resorts to strategic partner(s), which will have a right to priority buy-out of the remaining 26% after 6 years.

Design and Construction of a Resort on Prevlaka Peninsula
The Croatian government has established a company, Prevlaka, d.o.o., to handle design and construction of a first-class resort on Prevlaka, a peninsula located at the Croatian border with Montenegro. For this isolated but extremely attractive part of the coast,the government will seek investors to build a hotel complex for 2,000 guests, a camping area for 1,000 guests, a marina for 300 boats, and a sport and entertainment area.

Brijuni Resort Privatization and Development
The Croatian government and Istria County have established a company, Brijuni Rivijera, d.o.o., to handle privatization and development of one of Croatia’s most attractive destinations – Brijuni islands. Equity investors will be sought to support this project which is valued at nearly one billion dollars upon completion.

Design and Construction of Golf Courses
Croatia currently has only two golf courses, one located near Zagreb, the capital, and the other on Brijuni Island, reconstructed from 1922. The
Croatian government is planning to establish a company (Golf Projekt, d.o.o.) to implement its golf development program. This company will handle the administrative, land-ownership, environmental and other issues. It will
also arrange for location permits and seek investors. There are 50 locations designated as potential golf courses. Croatia’s golf development program will be among the key topics at the KPMG’s Golf Business Forum to be held in
Prague, Czech Republic, June 16-17, 2005.

Development of Small, Family-Run Hotels
The Croatian government has launched a program of financial support for development of small, family-run hotels (10-40 rooms), aparthotels (7-20 apartments) and camps (20-100 units). Only Croatian citizens are eligible to apply for this funding. Many entrepreneurs will need business consulting and design services (such as the members of the Association of Family and Small Hotels of Croatia).

bubach_hlubach

June 30th, 2005, 07:49 PM

Daniela, weren't there getting built, i think, two golf courses around Dubrovnik area somewhere (above Srd)?

branko_kockica

June 30th, 2005, 10:19 PM

Hm hm, I think Sincity feels good when our companies do the same thing in SCG and BiH, what Austria and Germany are doing here ;)

NEPRIJATELJSKA PONUDA HRVATA

Kikinda- Upravni odbor, poslovodstvo i Organizacija nezavisnog sindikata "Toza Markovića" iz Kikinde saopštili su da je ponuda hrvatske kompanije "Našicecement" za preuzimanje akcija te kompanije neprijateljska i veom štetna.
U saopštenju se navodi da se u ponudi osim cene akcija, ne pominju socijalni i investicioni programi, a da se vrlo direktivno navodi da će po preuzimanju fabrike broj zaposlenih biti prepolovljen.

GRAND KUPUJE HRVATSKI KRAŠ

Beograd- Grand kafa će posle "Soko Štarka" kupiti i hrvatski "Kraš". Beogradska firma, kako saznaje Kurir, ima velike ambicije kad je konditorska industrija u pitanju. Naš najveći proizvođač kafe bacio je oko i na uspešnu fabriku u Hrvatskoj. Sledeći korak koji je sebi ova uspešna kompanija postavila jeste da postane vlasnik lidera u konditorskoj industriji jugoistočne Evrope- zagrebačkog "Kraša"...

izvor Kurir

piše tu još toga oko kupovine al me sad mrzi kucati

:bleh:

hehehe

lindenthaler

June 30th, 2005, 10:23 PM

branko_kockica

June 30th, 2005, 10:34 PM

Ma zajebavam se čoveče, to i ja pokušavam da skapiram poslednjim smajlijem, a uzgred, koliko je sve u lovi govori nam : BIJELO DUGME :)

Daniela

June 30th, 2005, 10:52 PM

Daniela, weren't there getting built, i think, two golf courses around Dubrovnik area somewhere (above Srd)?

Bubach_hlubach: I will try to get more information and see what the status is.

lindenthaler

June 30th, 2005, 10:55 PM

Daniela

June 30th, 2005, 11:47 PM

Localities

Localities for the construction of golf courts proposed by the Ministry of Tourism to the Government of the Republic of Croatia are the following:

Golf & Country Club, the town of Zagreb, Blato
Dolina Kardinala, the municipality of Krašić
Marlera, the municipality of Ližnjan
Turnina, the town of Rovinj
Tar-Špin-Mirna, the town of Poreč
Zelena Laguna, the town of Poreč / the municipality of Vrsar
Dubrova, the town of Labin / the municipality of Sv. Nedelja
Butoniga, the town of Buzet
Prašćarija, the town of Novithe town of
Crveni Vrh, the town of Umag
Pićan-Jakomići, the municipality of Pićan
Brseč, the municipality of Moščenička Draga
Liski-Kurila, the town of Mali Lošinj
Dubina, the municipality of Jelenje
Tustica, the municipality of Sukošan
Sinsko Polje and Stobreč, the towns of Split, Sinj, Trilj and the municipality of Otok
Srđ, the town of Dubrovnik
Ćilipi-Močići, the municipality of Konavle
Brijuni, National Park

By the subsequent decision of the Government of the Republic of Croatia of 23 December 1999, another 4 potential localities for the construction of golf courts were accepted (all localities are in the Istrian Region, which makes a total of 14 potential localities for the development of golf resorts only in Istra):

Markocija, the town of Umag
Palud, the town of Rovinj
Stancija Grande, the municipality of Vrsar
Kloštar, the municipality of Sv. Lovreč

Daniela

June 30th, 2005, 11:51 PM

Special interest areas

As a part of the policy of golf development, it is already possible to single out some special interest areas, first of all:

The Istria and Kvarner area, within which the area of the Istrian Region has all preconditions to be developed as the leading golf region in Croatia;
The Dubrovnik Riviera as a prestigious golf destination because of Dubrovnik's reputation as the world known tourist, cultural, and historic centre;
Other coastal and islands areas from the Zrmanja to the Neretva Rivers as high quality golf destinations;
The town of Zagreb and its broad area as urban golf destination, and finally other continental areas in which the development of new quality tourism is yet expected, such as the areas of spa tourist and recreational destinations, castles and other natural and historical as well as cultural localities and attractions, as areas of quality golf offer.

Talking about physical distribution of golf courts, it is necessary to point out its typical and significant characteristic of concentration, which, along with a special space, ambient, and project diversity only increases its market attractiveness and success.

Daniela

June 30th, 2005, 11:57 PM

Exclusive golf resort investment opportunity in Istria, the largest Croatian peninsula and the country's main tourist region

Introduction

Istria has been a blank spot on the world's "golf destination map". Located in the heart of Europe, this region has the advantage of being a "sun-country" within easy reach for visitors from overseas (especially from Central and Western Europe) and with the possibility for everyone to spend a holiday at moderate prices. All promising parameters that make Istria an ideal place to invest in. However, the golf courses and resorts that Istria currently has on offer do not meet local and international golfers' expectations.

Backed by a serious and highly-experienced management team, a solid business plan, top-level local and regional connections, a major Austrian financial institution, local and international expertise, governmental will and German efficiency, this extraordinary golf resort is about to become part of Istria's drive to become Europe's next most promising and exciting "golf destination". The developers of this unique project in Istria, Croatia are currently seeking the right investors and partners.

Please join us and be inspired by a concept and opportunity that are unique in this part of Europe!

There is one essential question for investors when it comes to investing in a golf resort:
Is it long-term and is it profitable?

The possibilities for investment presented in this confidential document meet both of these elements: they are both long-term and profitable!

Attractive golf courses with a professional management are successful. Innumerable examples for this can be found all around the world. In Europe, an unbelievable expansion in golf tourism has taken place in the last few years -- and the opportunities in emerging European markets are simply outstanding. Europe's emerging markets that offer a nice climate are attracting more and more golfers from Northern and Central Europe. The traditional destinations, particularly Portugal, Spain (first of all Mallorca) and Turkey are fully booked and are literally "over-done". Even Mediterranean African countries such as Morocco and Tunisia with just a few golf courses are fully booked. Apart from the fact that you can hardly secure any tee times, the prices in those regions have been rocketing.

Now is the time to establish a new European golf region successfully!

The investment brief

INV International Ltd. seeks to attract the right investors and partners for a magnificent Golf Resort in Istria. The Croatia-based developer is seeking an equity investment of a minimum of EUR 11.25 million and a maximum of EUR 22.5 million at this present time. Here is the brief of this highly-attractive investment opportunity:

project and land located in the Istria region

strong and reliable German developers backing the project

top-level connections with the government and local authorities in place

major Austrian bank involved in co-financing the project

there is the possibility to secure a 10-year tax exemption on profits by the Croatian government for this investment programme

27-hole golf course to be built

5-star golf hotel with 350 beds to be built

5-star bungalow hotel with pool and garage incl. a connection to the club house

detached houses, semi-detached houses and apartment buildings with comfort-equipment (AC, heating, SAT/TV, Internet, etc.) to be built:
~approx. 60 villas of 150 -250-sq.m. living space;
~approx. 80 semi detached houses;
~approx. 150 apartments of 60-240-sq.m. living space

transfer of title deeds (land, hotel, etc.) until return of equity investment

at present the documents for the detailed authorisation procedure are being prepared as well as talks with the state government concerning the contract of lease and the purchase of the land for building houses

subsequent to the authorisation, the state government has to advertise this project in public

the investor who can provide the financing and provide evidence that he is able to lead the resort, will get the acceptance of the tender

there is a pre-contract with the community assuring that the costs, which incurred until the authorisation, will be substituted; for this reason the monetary risk of the planning and developing phase is cut off

the land for the construction of a 27-hole golf course and a club house (70 ha.) is owned by the government and is contracted on a 30-year lease basis with an extension of an additional 30 years

the land for the construction of hotel facilities and real estate (8 ha.) will be purchased with full title deeds

realistic return on investment in December 2008

exit bonus: 15%

50% funding for the project has already been secured by a major Austrian bank

there is a master plan

the developers have over 30 years' experience in all golf related and resort matters, including construction and leading a team of professionals in CPA, audit control; architect and engineers, green keeping, public relations and marketing related matters

the resort and real estate will be ideally located for central European (Swiss, Austrian, Slovenian, etc.), German, Italian and even local golfers, families and second-home owners

ideally located right on the Adriatic coast in one of the most beautiful spots of Istria

Croatia guarantees that the export of profits is free of charge

the country guarantees that the export of invested capital in Croatia is free of charge as well

Croatia is one of the candidate countries to join the EU; EU entry is planned for 2007-2008

Croatia's laws are being adjusted to EU laws

the country has signed a contract for stabilisation and association with the EU on October 29th, 2001

Turkey's Belek five years ago was like Croatia's Istria is today...

The situation along the Adriatic coast

Although the inland of Croatia offers many unique natural attractions, visitors of Croatia are mostly attracted to the Adriatic Sea and its coast. In spite of numerous hotels and beaches with thousands of tourists, the majority of the coastal area has remained free of construction, which is not the case in the majority of Mediterranean European countries. The Croatian sea has remained crystal clear and clean. Three out of eight Croatian national parks are at the Adriatic and on the islands, and three of the remaining five parks are located near the sea. Natural beauties of the Adriatic Sea include multiple indented bays, virgin beaches and abundant vegetation. Even in the largest tourist resorts, there is plenty of space for a visitor wishing to rest and find some space or peace just for himself.

The situation in Istria, a first-class holiday destination

Croatia is located in the far West of Croatia. Through associated with many hotels and beaches swarming with thousands of tourists, Istria, both the coast and inland, possesses a series of preserved natural attractions and picturesque landscape. Located at the crossroads of different cultural influences, Istria is noted for its unique culture, music and cuisine and is known as a marvelous and magical country.

The mild, Mediterranean climate throughout the year provides a comfortable and pleasurable feeling. Clear water, a fascinating coast with beautiful beaches bays and creeks as well as a diversified cuisine.

Istria consists of three regions, each of them with its own charm: red Istria on the west coast with is fertile red soil fields; grey Istria in the central region with small towns on the hilltops; and white Istria in the rocky eastern mountainous region.

This splendid Golf Resort will be located in red Istria.

Istria "boasts" only one 9-hole golf course (on the island of Brioni, the former private island of Josip Broz Tito). From May to October Istria is always fully booked. The climate will allow the golf season to extend from January to December, i.e. year round. The market opportunities have been checked and analysed in every detail. Due to this they can be considered to be very advantageous and promising.

Istria is very interested in expanding and improving its tourism infrastructure and making it more attractive. Golf tourism is a perfect beginning! Istria's state government doesn't only welcome these activities, but also promotes them with fast authorisation procedures.

Note the never ending increase of golf's popularity as well as the golfers willingness to travel. European destinations with good accessibility have valuable advantages in the market place. The development in the traditional golf destinations for people from Central and Northern Europe continue to expand -- despite the ever increasing prices and high utilisation. The number of golfers in Europe continues to increase. Golf is no more the elitist sport for the very few, but has captured the population's wide acceptance.

On the part of the golf associations, golf is being positioned as a "sport for all". The best example for this is the "Play Golf - Start Living" campaign by the German Golf Association.

Golf: 'everything is okay'

The resort's golf course will be integrated in the existing landscape in harmony and with respect to the environment. A golf course has to be integrated with the landscape and the structure of building has to fit in with regard to the region and has to take the existing biodiversity into consideration. The golf course's guests and members will expect interesting golf courses. Demanding for the experts, comfortable to play for the beginners. Fast greens, well-kept fairways, several tee-boxes, strategically well placed bunkers - everything that is important for the quality of a golf course. E-Carts provide relaxed playing. In addition a professional management team who are responsible for normal playing and tournaments without a hitch.

At every golf course the golfer will find a perfectly structured practice area with driving range, chipping and pitching area, putting green and bunkers. Much attention will be paid to mature programmes for practicing and tuition. A 9-hole golf course specially for beginners will give them a chance to practice and reach their best possible level. In the clubhouse all services and a pro-shop will be available. The developers believe a clubhouse has to include changing rooms, a banqueting hall, a restaurant and a terrace as well as a players' bar, a players' lobby, a swimming pool, a spa, TV room, etc. The two hotels will offer the guests different opportunities for accommodation. A separate area is accounted for homes. Houses and villas will be built.

The German managing director of the project's development company will fly to Pula to meet with interested investors and parties. If you would like to meet him there, please contact us at your earliest convenience.

branko_kockica

July 1st, 2005, 12:00 AM

^^ Znam da se zajebavas, nego sam i ja hteo da prisustvujem opsten zajebavanju :)

a sad back2thread

A1 vam izgleda zaista fenomenalno, cestitam vam na izgradnji i nadam se da ce da vam koristi dobro u buducnosti ! :cheers1:

A i iskreno da ti kažem, prosto volim kad sam bolji od drugog :) pogotovo ako je to Hrvatska koja je malo ispred nas , pa kad im zavučemo nešto što oni nemaju ih!!! :banana: :D

lindenthaler

July 1st, 2005, 12:03 AM

^^ :D Bitno je da preraste u zdravu konkurenciju, ne samo sa njima nego sa svima u okolini, koristice svima ;)

bubach_hlubach

July 1st, 2005, 12:25 AM

A i iskreno da ti kažem, prosto volim kad sam bolji od drugog :) pogotovo ako je to Hrvatska koja je malo ispred nas , pa kad im zavučemo nešto što oni nemaju ih!!! :banana: :D

Pobesnelizmaj ili ti ga branko-kockica po novome, opet si nam prihajal, i trolanje se nastavlja...pa dobro, samo naprijed ;)

Evo ti odgovor na tu tvoju 'Grand Kafu' :

Grand kafa je sa 62 posto upisanih dionica, koje je platila 15 milijuna eura, postala novim većinskim vlasnikom Soko Štarka. Slobodan Vučićević, suvlasnik Grand Proma, kaže kako je cilj udvostručiti prodaju Štarka do 2007., kad bi trebala iznositi 100 milijuna eura.
Inače, Grand Prom je strateški partner Droge - Kolinske, koja je preuzela 75 posto njezinih dionica. Nagađa se da bi na meti mogao biti i Kraš, no iz uprave Kraša to su automatski opovrgnuli. (V.Da., S. Ml.)

Ispis Pošaljite članak

Koliko vidim Grand Kafa je u vlasnistvu Droge - Kolinske, koje su slovenske firme, znaci u vlasnistvu Slovenaca :D
Kras je ipak malo prekrupna riba za preuzimanje, plus vlasnicka struktura je jako rascijepkana, vise od 60 posto dionica je vlasnistvu malih dionicara, ostatak dionica ima hrvatski fond za privatizaciju, mirovinski fond itd.

BTW, ne znam zakaj uopce usporedjujes hrvatsko gospodarsko sa srpskim, odnosno po bruto nacionalnom proizvodu omjer $8.000 vs. $2.000 per capita ( 2004 godine), znaci Srbija da bi dosla na danasnji razvoj Hrvatske, trebat ce joj oko 20-25 godina.

p.s. No hard feelings, niti ja ne idem na svicarske forume da bi Hrvatsku usporedjivao s njihovim gospodarstvom, iako je nekolicina hrvatskih firmi ipak ulozila, odnosno preuzela neke firme i tvornice u toj zemlji.

:cheers:

bubach_hlubach

July 1st, 2005, 12:29 AM

Daniela

July 1st, 2005, 01:04 AM

Thanks for these great articles, Daniela.
I really appreciate it :)

bubach_hlubach: I will try to get more information on the golf courses in the Dubrovnik area tomorrow. It's time to go to sleep now...

bubach_hlubach

July 1st, 2005, 02:04 AM

bubach_hlubach: I will try to get more information on the golf courses in the Dubrovnik area tomorrow. It's time to go to sleep now...

No problem :)
Anyways, you have already answered my question in your previous post.
I remember i read once about this Srd being picked as future location for golf course, speaking of the Dubrovnik area, of korz :cheers:
Thanks once again for your effort! All of us here appreaciate it :)
Localities

Localities for the construction of golf courts proposed by the Ministry of Tourism to the Government of the Republic of Croatia are the following:

Golf & Country Club, the town of Zagreb, Blato
Dolina Kardinala, the municipality of Krašić
Marlera, the municipality of Ližnjan
Turnina, the town of Rovinj
Tar-Špin-Mirna, the town of Poreč
Zelena Laguna, the town of Poreč / the municipality of Vrsar
Dubrova, the town of Labin / the municipality of Sv. Nedelja
Butoniga, the town of Buzet
Prašćarija, the town of Novithe town of
Crveni Vrh, the town of Umag
Pićan-Jakomići, the municipality of Pićan
Brseč, the municipality of Moščenička Draga
Liski-Kurila, the town of Mali Lošinj
Dubina, the municipality of Jelenje
Tustica, the municipality of Sukošan
Sinsko Polje and Stobreč, the towns of Split, Sinj, Trilj and the municipality of Otok
Srđ, the town of Dubrovnik
Ćilipi-Močići, the municipality of Konavle
Brijuni, National Park

By the subsequent decision of the Government of the Republic of Croatia of 23 December 1999, another 4 potential localities for the construction of golf courts were accepted (all localities are in the Istrian Region, which makes a total of 14 potential localities for the development of golf resorts only in Istra):

Markocija, the town of Umag
Palud, the town of Rovinj
Stancija Grande, the municipality of Vrsar
Kloštar, the municipality of Sv. Lovreč

:)

SinCity

July 1st, 2005, 04:20 AM

30.06.2005 20:11

OTKRIVAMO Hrvatske ceste od desetak prijedloga odabrale rješenje za most Klek - Pelješec
Stupovi mosta viši od zagrebačke Katedrale
Autor VESNA BRNABIĆ

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/050630/hrv-most-txt.jpg

Na prvom saboru hrvatskih mostograditelja, koji je jučer počeo na Brijunima, predstavljen je i projekt mosta kopno - poluotok Pelješac. O tome smo razgovarali s Jurom Radićem, koji je, uz Zlatka Šavora i Anu Mandić, projektant mosta.

2,5 kilometara
Zadnji završni idejni projekt mosta Klek - Pelješac završni je idejni projekt nastao je nakon pomnog studiranja 20-ak varijanti. Držimo da će gradnja mosta biti najveći zalogaj Hrvatske mostogradnje. Dovoljno je reći da će biti sličan grčkom mostu Rion - Antirion, ali će naš, s oko 2,5 kilometara duljine, biti veći.

Može se usporediti i s mostom Millau u Francuskoj kojeg je gradnja stajala oko 320 milijuna eura. No, naš će most Klek - Pelješac biti još zahtjevniji jer, primjerice, Millau nije građen preko mora kaže Jure Radić i navodi kako je investitoru Hrvatskim cestama prvo ponuđeno deset rješenja.

13 stupova
Investitor je odabrao ekonomski najpovoljnije rješenje. Troškovi se, za sva rješenja, kreću od 200 milijuna do 450 milijuna eura, a varijanta mosta koja je odabrana stajat će oko 250 milijuna eura, navodi Radić.

Najveći bi problem moglo biti loše temeljno tlo koje se već sada ispituje, te teškoće rada pod morem. Svaki stup mosta bit će visok kao toranj zagrebačke Katedrale. Most će se nositi 13 stupova visokih više od 100 metara. Od ukupne cijene gradnje mosta čak dvije trećine odnose se na zahtjevne radove pod morem objašnjava Radić.

Ugovor za izradu glavnog projekta između Zavoda za konstrukcije i Hrvatskih cesta je potpisan, a do Božića projekt valja predati investitoru. Početak radova predviđa se za proljeće, a rok gradnje trebao bi biti 3 do 4 godine. I ovaj most pridonijet će prometnoj integraciji RH.

Mostom Klek - Pelješac potvrdit ćemo ugled hrvatske mostogradnje u svijetu. Primjerice, Hrvatska bilježi svjetsku slavu s Krčkim mostom armiranobetonskog luka. Od 20-ak takvih mostova u svijetu, čak ih je šest u Hrvatskoj kaže Radić.

Its a coming! :D

bubach_hlubach

July 1st, 2005, 05:24 AM

^ Mrak! :)

bubach_hlubach

July 1st, 2005, 05:25 AM

Hrvatskim željeznicama isporučeni vagoni

SLAVONSKI BROD - Specijalna vozila Đuro Đaković posljednjeg dana lipnja isporučila su još 21 vagon Hrvatskim željeznicama. Voditelj tračničkog programa u Specijalnim vozilima Matija Požar istaknuo je da je postignuta produktivnost proizvodnje od 1,2 vagona na dan, što omogućuje isporuku od 20 do 23 nova vagona mjesečno.
»Od ugovora o modernizaciji 320 novih vagona dosad smo isporučili 212 vagona, pa ćemo do kraja godine, kako je i planirano, isporučiti ostalih 109 vagona«, rekao je Požar.

Financiranje je ključni problem u nastavku modernizacije Hrvatskih željeznica i ugovora o gradnji 300 vagona. U tijeku su pregovori s francuskim i poljskim partnerima o proizvodnji teretnih vagona. Za vagone Specijalnih vozila zainteresirane su i albanske i švicarske željeznice. Najavljena modernizacija vagona voznog parka Bosne i Hercegovine također bi mogla rezultirati poslovnom suradnjom. Naime, za financiranje tog projekta zainteresirani su Portugalci, koji će i proizvoditi dijelove teretnih vagona, a Gredelj i Đaković nude montažu planiranih 360 vagona za željeznice BiH. [A. B.]

:)

SinCity

July 1st, 2005, 05:42 AM

Nice to see our business taken abroad. :)

SinCity

July 1st, 2005, 06:20 AM

Croatia: Banking system improves level of stability

16:46 - 29 June 2005 - The Croatian banking system boasts an improved and increasing level of stability thanks to a radical recapitalisation and restructuring process through which foreign-owned banks now dominate the sector, with a positive impact on overall creditworthiness, Moody's Investors Service says in its new Banking System Outlook report for Croatia.

Strong household credit demand is driving the growth of the sector, although key challenges persist such as the high concentration of assets among larger banks and potential risks from increasing net external liabilities. In addition, despite improvements, the operating environment remains challenging, with notable lengthy judicial system.

"The banks' foreign owners -- which account for 91% of total assets in the system -- have not only provided direct financial support but also improved efficiency levels and risk management techniques and introduced more up-to-date services and instruments," says Nondas Nicolaides, a Moody's Analyst and author of the report. Nonetheless, the system remains highly concentrated, with the two largest banks controlling around 43% of assets.

In addition, despite the consolidation that has taken place to date, Croatia's remains somewhat over-banked. Although further consolidation and the exit of weaker players would improve the quality and stability of the system, Moody's expects no dramatic change in this respect over the medium term.

A key driver of banks' growth in recent years has been the notable surge in household credit demand, as Croatia's middle class has expanded and become increasingly vibrant. Although Moody's views this focus positively as retail loans appear to be more profitable and are generally less risky than corporate loans, the high growth rates in this segment and the fact that such lending has yet to be tested in a full economic cycle give rise to a degree of caution.

The system benefits from a strengthened regulatory framework, with effective supervision -- a key element given Croatia's EU membership ambitions. "The authorities have also demonstrated their willingness to support troubled banks, although certain depositors have lost money from banks in receivership. Nonetheless, the operating environment remains relatively challenging despite marked macroeconomic improvements, with a relatively slow legal framework a key feature," Nicolaides adds.

Moody's regards the Croatian banking system's asset quality as relatively healthy, limiting risks of a systemic banking collapse and ensuring the efficient use of capital and liquidity. Despite the rapid asset growth of recent years, the larger banks have good risk management systems and credit scoring tools with which to prudently assess credit risk and their overall exposures.

Although Moody's expects margins to continue to fall as local currency interest rates start to converge with the corresponding euro interest rates, the banking system's profitability has improved significantly since the losses reported in 1998 thanks to a more conducive operating environment, a surge in business volumes as well as the enhanced risk management framework in place.

In addition, Moody's feels confident that liquidity levels in the banking system are reasonably sufficient given its risk profile and that asset/liability structures are prudently managed to meet short-term obligations. However, the high percentage of foreign currency liabilities gives rise to a significant risk in the event of a possible movement in foreign exchange rates against the local currency, although support should be expected from the foreign parent banks in such a scenario.

Moody's currently rates one private-sector Croatian bank (Zagrebacka banka, Ba1/N-P bank deposit ratings, stable outlook; A2 senior unsecured debt rating, on review for possible downgrade; D+ bank financial strength rating, positive outlook) and one government-owned institution (HBOR, Baa3 foreign currency debt rating, stable outlook). In addition, several of the foreign owners of Croatian banks, mainly European investment-grade banking groups, are also rated by Moody's.

http://www.reporter.gr/fulltext_eng.cfm?id=50629164639

branko_kockica

July 1st, 2005, 07:01 AM

jeli blubach, imaš ti neku curu ? :)

bubach_hlubach

July 1st, 2005, 07:19 AM

jeli blubach, imaš ti neku curu ? :)

Opet ista prica s tobom. Od sad si na ignore listi, a ukoliko nastavis trolati ovaj thread, bit ces prijavljen i nadleznim moderatorima.

SinCity

July 1st, 2005, 07:30 AM

jeli blubach, imaš ti neku curu ? :)

Listen 'pobjesnjelizmaj', I strongly suggest that you no longer visit any of these Croatian construction threads. You are not welcome.

We take our construction topics seriously and have no time to waste with your provocative remarks. If are incapable of acting normal, then please visit another section of this forum that better caters to your mentality.

This is your last warning before we start reporting you to the moderators for trolling our threads.

bubach_hlubach

July 1st, 2005, 07:32 AM

Swiss investors are going to invest 35 million Euros in spa-thermal complex in Sveti Ivan Zelina (Zagreb county)

Švicarci u izletište u Sv. Ivanu Zelini ulažu 35 milijuna eura
30.06.2005 | 21:59

Koncesijski ugovor za gradnju Poslovno-rekreacijskog vodenog kompleksa u vrijednosti od 35 mil. eura potpisan je između Grada Sveti Ivan Zelina i društva Termalna riviera Sveti Ivan Zelina, u većinskom vlasništvu švicarske tvrtke Mabco Constructions SA.

http://www.dnevnik.com.hr/admin/upload/images/1120161724zelinaB.jpg

Matilda Bačelić

"Svrha koncesije je stavljanje u funkciju prostora sportsko-rekreacijskog centra i termalnih izvora na način da koncesionar na zemljištu Grada gradi kompleks koji će cjelogodišnjim poslovanjem u razdoblju od 50 godina, koliko traje koncesija, privlačiti značajan broj posjetitelja i biti zamašnjak razvoja grada", kaže gradonačelnik Vlado Žigrović.

WIN-WIN SITUACIJA Nakon dugogodišnjeg neulaganja u poznato izletište nedaleko od Zagreba, sagrađeno pedestih godina južno od izvora visoko vrijedne termalne vode, krajem devedesetih, tada već devastirani bazenski kompleks prelazi u vlasništvo Grada. Ali nisu pronađeni pravo rješenje i novac za njegovu revitalizaciju.

Koncept revitalizacije rekreacijskog centra temeljen na investiciji po BOT modelu, koji bi stvorio win-win situaciju za koncesionara i Grad, usvaja se 2001., a tek su 2004. stvorene pretpostavke za raspisivanje međunarodnog natječaja za dodjelu koncesije.

Mabco Constructions, član Mabetex grupe koja ima veliko iskustvo na svjetskoj razini u gradnji i razvitku velikih građevinskih projekata, podnijelo je na natječaju najbolju neobvezujuću te potom i obvezujuću ponudu za dodjelu koncesije. Simbolična cijena koncesije iznosi jednu kunu godišnje.

Postojeći objekt stare Ciglane će se adaptirati i zajedno s diskotekama, restoranima i trgovinskim centrom činiti svojevrsni središnji trg kompleksa. Oko 3000 metara četvornih ugostiteljskih i poslovnih prostora iznajmljivat će se uglavnom lokalnim obrtnicima. Sukladno odredbama ugovora, izmjenama je podložno do 10 posto sadržaja.

Gradnja kompleksa će trajati između 18 i 24 mjeseca, a završetak gradnje se, prema riječima direktora Termalne riviere Sv. Ivan Zelina Rikarda Stopfera, očekuje između 1. kolovoza 2006. i proljeća 2007., ovisno o tome kada će, nakon ishođenja svih dozvola, započeti sama gradnja.

OSIGURATI DOZVOLE Grad mora osigurati svu potrebnu dokumentaciju (izmjena prostornog plana, građevinska i lokacijska dozvola, itd.) u roku od 12 mjeseci od dana ispunjenja uvjeta. Koncesionar još mora pokrenuti postupak dobivanja koncesije na izvorište termalne vode što nije obuhvaćeno navedenim ugovorom.

...ostatak u tiskanom izdanju...

:)

SinCity

July 1st, 2005, 07:55 AM

Great news Bubach. :)

bubach_hlubach

July 1st, 2005, 08:14 AM

^ Yup :)
I remember that pool and complex very well, was going there with my parents when i was a kid. lol
Anyhow, this is fantastic news that this complex will be revitalized again after being that badly neglected for a long time!
An article similar to this one also appeared in Vecernji List, and says that a 100 ppl will get hired after completition :)
Well, just another great step for waking up our huge potentional related to spa tourism in continental Croatia :)

:cheers:

SinCity

July 1st, 2005, 08:30 AM

Are these also thermal spas?

SinCity

July 1st, 2005, 08:32 AM

I noticed you guys were having a discussion on broadband in Croatia the other day ....

Flarion to provide network equipment in Croatia

NEW YORK, June 30 (Reuters) - Flarion Technologies said on Thursday it will supply network equipment for a high-speed wireless network in Croatia, the second deal in two weeks for the private firm which has tried for years to win acceptance.
Flarion said Malaysia's Arbital Communications will build the $40 million project, using Flarion equipment, for Croatian telecom provider Retel.

Companies such as U.S. provider Nextel Communications Inc. , have run commercial market trials of Flarion's high-speed wireless technology, known as Flash-OFDM.

But Flarion has struggled to win wide-scale projects as carriers around the world have favored building networks based on technologies developed by Qualcomm Inc. .

Qualcomm sells chips and owns technology royalties for the high-speed version of GSM, which is popular in Europe, and for CDMA, the dominant mobile technology in the United States.

Last week Finland's government awarded a wireless license to a company that said it planned to build a network based on Flarion's technology rather than to rivals which had hoped to build networks based on CDMA.

Flarion has said it expects to sign several deals with European operators for nationwide construction of networks based on its technology.

In late 1999 Bedminster, New Jersey-based Flarion was spun out of the development arm of Lucent Technologies , which no longer has an ownership stake in Flarion. Flarion introduced its first products in 2002.

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/050701/3/239m4.html

bambam

July 1st, 2005, 08:43 AM

Vijesti Hrvatska

30.06.2005 20:11

OTKRIVAMO Hrvatske ceste od desetak prijedloga odabrale rješenje za most Klek - Pelješec
Stupovi mosta viši od zagrebačke Katedrale
Autor VESNA BRNABIĆ

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/050630/hrv-most-txt.jpg

Na prvom saboru hrvatskih mostograditelja, koji je jučer počeo na Brijunima, predstavljen je i projekt mosta kopno - poluotok Pelješac. O tome smo razgovarali s Jurom Radićem, koji je, uz Zlatka Šavora i Anu Mandić, projektant mosta.
2,5 kilometara
Zadnji završni idejni projekt mosta Klek - Pelješac završni je idejni projekt nastao je nakon pomnog studiranja 20-ak varijanti. Držimo da će gradnja mosta biti najveći zalogaj Hrvatske mostogradnje. Dovoljno je reći da će biti sličan grčkom mostu Rion - Antirion, ali će naš, s oko 2,5 kilometara duljine, biti veći.

Može se usporediti i s mostom Millau u Francuskoj kojeg je gradnja stajala oko 320 milijuna eura. No, naš će most Klek - Pelješac biti još zahtjevniji jer, primjerice, Millau nije građen preko mora kaže Jure Radić i navodi kako je investitoru Hrvatskim cestama prvo ponuđeno deset rješenja.

13 stupova
Investitor je odabrao ekonomski najpovoljnije rješenje. Troškovi se, za sva rješenja, kreću od 200 milijuna do 450 milijuna eura, a varijanta mosta koja je odabrana stajat će oko 250 milijuna eura, navodi Radić.

Najveći bi problem moglo biti loše temeljno tlo koje se već sada ispituje, te teškoće rada pod morem. Svaki stup mosta bit će visok kao toranj zagrebačke Katedrale. Most će se nositi 13 stupova visokih više od 100 metara. Od ukupne cijene gradnje mosta čak dvije trećine odnose se na zahtjevne radove pod morem objašnjava Radić.

Ugovor za izradu glavnog projekta između Zavoda za konstrukcije i Hrvatskih cesta je potpisan, a do Božića projekt valja predati investitoru. Početak radova predviđa se za proljeće, a rok gradnje trebao bi biti 3 do 4 godine. I ovaj most pridonijet će prometnoj integraciji RH.

Mostom Klek - Pelješac potvrdit ćemo ugled hrvatske mostogradnje u svijetu. Primjerice, Hrvatska bilježi svjetsku slavu s Krčkim mostom armiranobetonskog luka. Od 20-ak takvih mostova u svijetu, čak ih je šest u Hrvatskoj kaže Radić.

SinCity

July 1st, 2005, 08:49 AM

Creative Enterprises International Successfully Launches Jana Natural European Artesian Water in New York City Market; Prepares Summer Launches in Miami
Thu Jun 30, 8:00 AM ET

(PRWEB) - NEW YORK, NY (PRWEB) June 30, 2005 -- Jana Natural European Artesian Water, recent winner of the prestigious "EAUSCAR Award" for the world"s "Highest Quality" water at the 2005 Paris Aqua Expo, is exclusively imported from Croatia by Creative Enterprises International, Inc., (OTC:CEII), www.creativepi.com , through an exclusive agreement with the Agrokor Group, one of Europe"s largest food and beverage conglomerates. In April 2005, CEII announced an exclusive partnership with Big Geyser, Inc. to distribute Jana Water throughout the New York Metro Area and Nassau and Suffolk County.

"We are extremely delighted with how well the launch of Jana Water in New York City has proceeded, as Jana Water has been enthusiastically received by both consumers and retailers," said Michael Salaman, President of Creative Enterprises, Inc. "We plan to continue our aggressive marketing campaign in the New York metro area, and will expand into the key markets of South Beach and Los Angeles this summer."

Big Geyser, Inc. has secured accounts for Jana Water in such key supermarket chains as Food Emporium with 25 stores, (which is part of A&P that operates 649 stores across the U.S. and Canada), Fairway Stores, Associated Supermarkets, Whole Foods, Walgreen's, Key Foods and the Virgin Megastores cafes. Jana has also built hundreds of relationships with independently-owned delis, groceries, and numerous cafes, bars and restaurants. "Big Geyser Inc. is very excited to be involved as the distributor for Jana water. The first 60 days have been very exciting for us and we look forward to a wonderful future with a wonderful item," said Lewis Hershkowitz, Chief Operating Officer of Big Geyser, Inc.

Jana Natural European Artesian Water is sourced at 2,500 feet below the earth's surface in the picturesque village of St. Jana, located near the pristine Adriatic Sea. For over 3,000 years, Jana Water has been filtered through underground layers of rocks, creating a unique blend of natural minerals such as calcium, magnesium and silica. This natural process accounts for Jana Water's fresh taste, which was recognized with the First Prize at the 2005 Paris Aqua Expo for "Highest Quality" water in the world. Using the latest state-of-the-art technology, Jana Water is pumped directly from the source into the bottling plant and into the bottle and is totally unexposed to the environment until the first sip is taken.

There are many other reasons why Jana Natural European Artesian Water can claim the title of the best new water in the market. Primarily, it is in its alkalinity, with a pH level of 7.4, among the highest of any bottled water on the market. "Health benefits of alkaline water includes flushing toxins and acidic waste from the body, buffers against lactic acid build-up so that recovery time after exercising is decreased, provides more oxygen to your body than tap water, and reverses the aging process by lowering blood pressure and helping the heart work less strenuously," according to Sang Whang, author of the book "Reverse Aging." Jana Water also possesses one of the highest mineralization contents of any other water at 464.4 mg/liter and contains one of the highest amounts of magnesium at 32.5 mg/liter.

To continue building New York market share, CEII has launched a multi-tiered, integrated marketing program that targets early innovators and key influencers. Jana Water spots will appear on NBC's Jumbotron in Times Square for the month of July and August. More than 96 ten-second spots will air per day, with daily viewership of more than 1.5 million people. Jana Water has sponsored such events as the 2005 Cannes Film Festival premiere parties, the 50th Annual Obie Awards, Time Out New York promotional events, as well as celebrity studded parties where Michael Stipe, Helena Christensen, Ted Turner, Kip Forbes, Tom Cruise, and Lionel Ritchie have all been spotted sipping Jana Water. In addition, U.S. Olympic gold Medal swimmer Gary Hall, has signed as Jana's sport celebrity spokesperson.

For more information about Jana Water, please visit www.janawater.com .

Another success for Agrokor. :)

SinCity

July 1st, 2005, 08:53 AM

Sry, sto nisam stavio sliku... nebi zna ni kako :ohno: No na drugu stranu.. evo link pa vidite da i ni bas nesto lijepa: http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/news/croatia/322431/index.do

Right click on the picture and go down to properties. Copy address and insert between ........ This will display image on your post. :)

bubach_hlubach

July 1st, 2005, 08:56 AM

Are these also thermal spas?

Yes, they are. Too bad that rendering is too tiny, but from what i was able to see, it's gonna look awesome. I will also look for information on this complex :)
Btw, for some reason, I have really gotten into spa stuff lately :D

bubach_hlubach

July 1st, 2005, 09:07 AM

branko_kockica

July 1st, 2005, 02:31 PM

Opet ista prica s tobom. Od sad si na ignore listi, a ukoliko nastavis trolati ovaj thread, bit ces prijavljen i nadleznim moderatorima.

What did I do to you thread? Am I maybe "lower race" so I can't have fun and speak free how i want? i am just joking, and noone of u is included in the joke... u have no sence of humor... here, i will leave this thread only for u to talk about your buildings, and how great u are, and noone will come and say something that is not good, everyone is supposed to say how great are those projects :sleepy: ... In meantime, we speek different languages, so maybe u didn't understood my joke?

Uzgred, kakva ista prica blubach?, i nadam se da cete prestati da sve shvatate ozbiljno... bas ste bezze i nikako, bez mashte i dushe... hmm... :runaway:

long foot

July 1st, 2005, 02:36 PM

Sva istraživanja i statistike pokazuju da su Hrvati nemaštovit narod, lišen smisla za humor :sleepy: jebi ga, ne možemo si pomoć :lol:

long foot

July 1st, 2005, 02:38 PM

^^ lol, ma pusti :) Sadasnje vreme je takvo da nije bitno odakle jedna firma dolazi, sve je u novcu pa se vise ne broji da li je to hrvatska, bosanska, srpska ili mozambikanska firma. Bitan je novac a nacionalnost je totalno deseta stvar tu, medjutim mi to nikako da skapiramo :)

By the way, bio je onaj vaš tajkun Karić prije koji tjedan na HTV-u, na nekom interviewu i rekao otprilike istu stvar: podignimo spomenike mrtvima i počnimo sa suradnjom.

lindenthaler

July 1st, 2005, 02:39 PM

joj, Karić :sleepy:

long foot

July 1st, 2005, 02:43 PM

jest, baš karić, i otprilike svaka druga rečennica mu je bila "jel jasno?" :lol:

long foot

July 1st, 2005, 02:46 PM

car-zg

July 1st, 2005, 02:49 PM

:eek2: kak je ružan most za pelješac

da dam svojoj sestri od 2.5 g. da nacrta most ona bi nacrtala ko ovaj

kao prvo most je bespotreban i preskup a kad ga već rade trebali bi napraviti malo ljepši. viseći ili neki moderni lučni a i 250mil E je stvarno previše

long foot

July 1st, 2005, 02:55 PM

Ružan je jer su odabrali najjeftiniju varijantu gradnje. Da su izabrali nešto spektakularno, neki viseći model, koštao bi milijardu eura. A grade ga zbog igre s lukom PLoče, koju hoće BiH. Mi njima luku na korištenje, oni nama prolaz kroz Neum. Naša je vlada donijela odluku da je bolje sagraditi most i ne treba nam prolaz kroz Neum, a oni će nama plaćati za korištenje luke Ploče. Gledajući dugoročno, ova strategija je isplativnija.

long foot

July 1st, 2005, 02:56 PM

I daj bože da to košta 250 mlijuna eura. Znajući kako se kreću troškovi, koštat će duplo više.

AstroBoy

July 1st, 2005, 06:40 PM

By the way, bio je onaj vaš tajkun Karić prije koji tjedan na HTV-u, na nekom interviewu i rekao otprilike istu stvar: podignimo spomenike mrtvima i počnimo sa suradnjom.

So according to him everything is as simple as that? Not very intelligently put. :ohno:

AstroBoy

July 1st, 2005, 06:42 PM

AstroBoy

July 1st, 2005, 06:47 PM

I daj bože da to košta 250 mlijuna eura. Znajući kako se kreću troškovi, koštat će duplo više.

We'll see soon the final look. It will be costly but a nicer looking bridge in these parts would be a welcome thing. I also hear that at some stage they will build another bridge on the other side of Peljesac to connect Korcula island.

bubach_hlubach

July 1st, 2005, 09:59 PM

Oh my goodness, what a panic over the final look of the bridge lol. I have to say i read the article from Vecernji List TWO TIMES, just in case. You should folks do the same :)
The article says : "The Peljesac - Klek bridge will be similar to the Rion - Antirion Bridge in Greece. Our new bridge could be also compared to Millau bridge in France."

Rion-Antirion in Greece :
http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/img/30/0,1886,2465822,00.jpg

Millau bridge in France :
http://www.greisch.com/upload/activite/art/viaduc/millau/millau.jpg

Now, what parameters our journalists used trying to compare these two bridges to our new bridge, is it financial, lenght, height or design, or all together? I guess we will find out soon :)
Until then i wouldn't take the rendered stuff from Vecernji too seriously :D

:cheers:

Kommandant Mark

July 2nd, 2005, 12:14 AM

Medical staff shortage in Croatia?
Weird article...copied & "translated" from Croatian media, re-printed in "Glas Javnosti" newspaper in section "from exYU media":lol:

=====================================

Naši susedi kubure s lekarima, pa moraju da ih uvoze

Hrvate pregledaju doktori Bosanci

Kako stvari stoje, uskoro bi vam se moglo dogoditi da vas, kad stupite u neku od ordinacija hrvatskih bolnica, sa smeškom dočeka lekar Bosanac ili Srbin. I neće u pitanju biti situacija da je kolega iz susedne zemlje slučajno zalutao među ove naše, već će to biti rezultat onoga što nam preti - hronični manjak lekara koji ćemo morati da rešavamo uvozom lekara iz zemalja bivše Juge. Da je to tako, tvrde čelnici Hrvatske lekarske komore, a juče su ukazali na veliki problem - lekara je u Hrvatskoj sve manje, a opao je i interes za upis na medicinske fakultete.

Predsednik HLK prim. dr Hrvoje Minigo rekao je da je broj nezaposlenih lekara na berzi sa 1.030 pao na neverovatnih 322. Ti su lekari, kaže dr Minigo, u najvećem broju završili u inostranstvu, gde su dobili posao i bolje uslove rada. A dok se nekad za jedno upisno mesto na Medicinskom fakultetu borilo čak sedam kandidata, sada ih je u konkurenciji svega dvoje. Interes za medicinu se, neminovno je, srozao na niske grane, pa su čelnici lekarskog udruženja juče izneli prilično zabrinjavajuće podatke - 2007.

Hrvatskoj će nedostajati 398 internista i 340 hirurga. U ovom trenu nedostaje čak 159 timova porodične medicine, 85 pedijatrijskih timova i 71 ginekološki tim u primarnoj zaštiti. Potpredsednik Komore prim. dr Josip Jelić nije propustio prozvati nas senzacionaliste koji stalno negativistički pišemo o lekarskim greškama, a 95 odsto lekara, kaže on, savesno radi svoj posao. Moramo reći da još ne vidimo razlog da ne prozivamo onih pet odsto. Ionako nam se, kad je reč o zdrastvu, crno piše, pa najbolje da još i ćutimo. Moš misliti.

bubach_hlubach

July 2nd, 2005, 12:34 AM

What did I do to you thread? Am I maybe "lower race" so I can't have fun and speak free how i want? i am just joking, and noone of u is included in the joke... u have no sence of humor... here, i will leave this thread only for u to talk about your buildings, and how great u are, and noone will come and say something that is not good, everyone is supposed to say how great are those projects :sleepy: ... In meantime, we speek different languages, so maybe u didn't understood my joke?

Uzgred, kakva ista prica blubach?, i nadam se da cete prestati da sve shvatate ozbiljno... bas ste bezze i nikako, bez mashte i dushe... hmm... :runaway:

Ajde si opet lijepo procitaj kaj si napisal iznad, pa ti morti dodje iz riti u glavu jednog dana. U nedostatku komentara na argumentirane postove vezane uz naslov ovog threada, pocinjes se direktno i osobno obracati sugovornicima pokusavajuci uciniti sprdacinu od istih na osnovu tematski nevezanih rasprava.
I zapamti ovo nije thread o pojedincima, vec o projektima i gospodarstvu jedne drzave, i pozitivni i negativni komentari su dobrodosli.
BTW, izuzetno cijenim tvoj napor pri uvjeravanju moje malenkosti koja pati od manjka razumijevanja tvojeg humora. Jebiga, kaj ces, nismo skupa ovce cuvali.

Daniela

July 2nd, 2005, 01:48 AM

*GDP growth decelerates to five-year low of 1.8% y/y in Q1
*Foreign trade gap widens to 10% of GDP in Jan-May
*CA deficit widens by 10.5% y/y in Q1
*Government spends EUR 530mn under war veterans’ programme in 2004
*Government opens Rupa-Rijeka section of A7 highway
*Health insurers announce investment plans worth over EUR 65mn
*Mobile operator VIPnet applies for fixed-line licence
*Food producer Podravka to pay 82% of 2004 profit in dividends
*President Mesic: Country needs new development plan

Daniela

July 2nd, 2005, 01:57 AM

*Number of foreign tourists increases by 3.5% y/y in May
*Highest wages paid in banking, insurance and research industries in Jan-Apr
*Government to intervene if fuel price exceeds HRK 8 per litre
*Central bank buys EUR 213mn T-bills in reverse repo auction
*Moody’s says Croatian banking system strengthens, challenges remain
*Hrvatska postanska banka, Croatia banka to be merged by end-year
*Hypo Alpe-Adria-Bank raises stake in Slavonska banka through capital hike
*Government sells EUR 46mn T-bills, auction oversubscribed again
*Visa card spending grows by 44% y/y to USD 2.3bn in 12 months to end- March
*Oil and gas company INA plans EUR 2.2bn revenues, EUR 130mn profit this year
*Third mobile operator Tele2 launches network
*Privatisation body signs deal on sale of Marjan hotel for EUR 23mn
*TV advertising market grows to EUR 44.6mn in May
*Real estate project Eurotower to cost EUR 42mn
*Justice ministry, EC present recommendations for judiciary reform
*Market expects GDP growth of below 3% in Q1
*Oil company INA with highest revenues, telecom T-HT most profitable in 2004
*Nexe launches buyout bid for Serbia’s building material maker Toza Markovic
*Court rules on shipyard Viktor Lenac’s property rights in Martinscica
*Cement producer Dalmacijacement awarded most successful big company
*Croatia signs joint declaration with Serbia-Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina
*Construction output drops by 6.6% y/y in April
*Government opens last section of EUR 2.7bn Zagreb-Split highway
*Croatia, Bosnia to sign agreement on linking gas supply networks
*Privatisation body gets one bid for tourist company Vodicanka
*Drugs wholsaler Medika to issue EUR 16.5mn bonds
*Government satisfied with outcome of talks with IMF on budget revision
*World Bank to support USD 125mn renewable energy source project
*PM Sanader assures no cuts to pensions will be made
*Central bank buys EUR 214mn T-bills in reverse repo auction
*Government to support textile and leather industries with EUR 8mn by 2007
*Bosnian PM says INA participation in Energopetrol tender problematic
*Erste Bank evaluates oil and gas company INA at USD 2bn
*Survey: Almost 70% of citizens want reforms without EU
*British PM Blair pledges EU commitments to Croatia will be met

mic of Orion

July 2nd, 2005, 02:11 AM

Daniela you are amazing, great work, where you get all this stuff?

PS, I got your massage and thanx

Daniela

July 2nd, 2005, 02:17 AM

Daniela you are amazing, great work, where you get all this stuff?

PS, I got your massage and thanx

Mic of Orion: :) It was not so difficult and I have to confess that I didn't have to do so much work. I have a subscription with a company who writes articles about emerging markets. However, I still hope that you think that I am amazing (it's good for my ego every so now and then).

mic of Orion

July 2nd, 2005, 03:26 AM

Mic of Orion: :) It was not so difficult and I have to confess that I didn't have to do so much work. I have a subscription with a company who writes articles about emerging markets. However, I still hope that you think that I am amazing (it's good for my ego every so now and then).

lol, I'll continue doing it, it is very nice having one women here, cose all are us geeks, if you want to know how I look and others go to Zagreb Update 6 in city updates (it is in archives now - but you can access it from Zagreb updates 7 - first page).

I hope you bring some women's perspective here, cose we definitely need it, lol...

PS, I am using slang verbs often - so in case you don't know what they mean (no offence meant)...

cose - because
atm - at this (the) moment
btw - by the way
ce - see
gtg, - got to go - sleep, work,

bubach_hlubach

July 2nd, 2005, 04:39 AM

lol, I'll continue doing it, it is very nice having onewomen here, cose all are us geeks, if you want to know how I look and others go to Zagreb Update 6 in city updates (it is in archives now - but you can access it from Zagreb updates 7 - first page).

I hope you bring some women's perspective here, cose we definitely need it, lol...

PS, I am using slang verbs often - so in case you don't know what they mean (no offence meant)...

cose - because
atm - at this (the) moment
btw - by the way
ce - see
gtg, - got to go - sleep, work,

Slang lol, you might as well add :

women - woman
won't - want
+ avoiding articles ('a', 'an' and 'the') ;) :D
:jk:

:cheers:

bubach_hlubach

July 2nd, 2005, 05:24 AM

Rekordna godina za obrt

ZAGREB - Ova će godina biti rekordna po broju novootvorenih obrta s obzirom na to da je u prvoj polovici godine otvoren gotovo jednak broj obrta kao u cijeloj prošloj godini, istaknuo je ministar gospodarstva, rada i poduzetništva Branko Vukelić, govoreći na akademiji Hrvatske obrtničke komore kojom je obilježen Dan HOK-a.
Istaknuo je kako su 60 do 70 posto novootvorenih obrta bile proizvodne ili uslužne djelatnosti vezane uz proizvodnju. Kako je istaknuo predsjednik HOK-a Stjepan Šafran, to je prvi puta da je zabilježeno više proizvodnih novootvorenih obrta nego uslužnih.
Inače, prema podacima zaključno s 1. srpnja ove godine, od početka ove godine otvoreno je ukupno 2787 obrta (registrirano je 7848 novih obrta, ali je odjavljeno 5061), dok je lani otvoreno ukupno 3200 novih obrta.

http://www.vjesnik.com/html/2005/07/02/Clanak.asp?r=gos&c=1

:cheers:

mic of Orion

July 2nd, 2005, 12:45 PM

Slang lol, you might as well add :

women - woman
won't - want
+ avoiding articles ('a', 'an' and 'the') ;) :D
:jk:

:cheers:

lol, well she lives in Holland I thought it might be confusing why I write with abbreviations or what would look as mistakes in spelling... just in case, as they say, lol...

But I agree, lol

AstroBoy

July 2nd, 2005, 04:00 PM

Why was this thread moved to the cities section. This is a country wide topic. Can the mod that moved please put it back. This is the wrong section.

bubach_hlubach

July 4th, 2005, 01:33 AM

Why was this thread moved to the cities section. This is a country wide topic. Can the mod that moved please put it back. This is the wrong section.

Mods probably think Croatia is a city ;) But that's fine as long as they dont find out Croatia is actually an African country :D

SinCity

July 4th, 2005, 01:35 AM

Whats happened here. This is about the whole country and non-city specific. I'll ask the mods. Its better where it was before. What a weird weekend.

bubach_hlubach

July 4th, 2005, 01:37 AM

Some apartment buildings recently being built and completed in Koprivnica :) It was a pure luck to find these images.

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3871/koprivnica0sosis8s1gq.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3117/koprivnica02i282729nm.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4697/koprivnica33219fl.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2295/koprivnica1122231ki.jpg

:cheers:

branko_kockica

July 4th, 2005, 02:10 AM

BTW, izuzetno cijenim tvoj napor pri uvjeravanju moje malenkosti koja pati od manjka razumijevanja tvojeg humora. Jebiga, kaj ces, nismo skupa ovce cuvali.

Pa nismo zajedno,jer ja ih nisam nikada ni čuvao :)

bubach_hlubach

July 4th, 2005, 04:20 AM

Pa nismo zajedno,jer ja ih nisam nikada ni čuvao :)

Sorry, ali ostavljas duboki dojam kaj da ih jos uvijek cuvas.

branko_kockica

July 4th, 2005, 04:32 AM

Sorry, ali ostavljas duboki dojam kaj da ih jos uvijek cuvas.

Pa eto , sličan sličnog spoznade :banana: :)

Ajde, de, mrgude jedan, šta se odmah duriš... pa onako, čuvuckam ih, ponekad, ali ne baš toliko često:)... Ajd , da ne prekidamo konverzaciju ozbiljnih ljudi, nemoj da se ljutiš, zajebancija je u pitanju... Čak ima ona stara izreka : Ko se ljuti, uvalim mu kruti :)

aj , sve najbolje s projektima

Sarajka

July 4th, 2005, 05:04 AM

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/7.jpg

Hello Croatia! :) A picture from July 2005, just showing some everyday renovations in Dubrovnik, I believe. Just thought I'd give it to you guys.

Daniela

July 4th, 2005, 10:20 AM

*Largest insurer Croatia osiguranje posts 3% y/y premium growth in Jan-May
*Zagrebacka banka reports EUR 440mn client deposits at end-June
*Austria’s Wiener Staedtische acquires 73% stake in Cosmopolitan Life insurer
*Zagreb stock exchange reduces settlement period
*Privatisation fund to hold public auction for seven companies this week
*Swiss company Mabco Constructions to build EUR 35mn business complex
*Polls show different positions of ruling HDZ, main opposition SDP
*Support for EU entry declines to 36% in June
*Ruling HDZ, parliamentary partner SDSS to discuss relations this week

Daniela

July 4th, 2005, 03:46 PM

Food group Agrokor introduces brand product on US market. The agricultural and food group Agrokor said it would start selling spring water Jana in New York after all preparations had been completed. The company has invested some EUR 10mn in the promotion of the Jana brand on the international market and plans further investments. On the New York market, the Jana product will be distributed by the local company Big Geyser and could be found in more than 3,000 outlets, including retail chains Safeway, Walgreens, 7/11 and Whole Foods. Agrokor is owned by businessman Ivica Todoric.

Daniela

July 4th, 2005, 04:01 PM

The Swiss company Mabco Constructions, a unit of the construction group Mabetex, said it would build an EUR 35mn business and recreation complex in the town of Sveti Ivan Zelina . The company has signed a build-operate-transfer agreement with the municipality of Sveti Ivan Zelina and the company Termalna Riviera Sveti Ivan Zelina, under which Mabco is to pay a symbolic concession fee of HRK 1 a year in the next 50 years. The project should be completed by the spring of 2007.

bubach_hlubach

July 5th, 2005, 03:22 AM

KONKURENTNOST Poražavajuće izvješće o konkurentnosti gospodarstva RH
Rumunjska i Bugarska pretekle Hrvatsku

Autor SNJEŽANA MLINAREVIĆ

U posljednje dvije godine Hrvatska je zabilježila zabrinjavajući pad konkurentnosti, tako da su je pretekle sve zemlje članice EU te djelomično i kandidati za ulazak, Bugarska i Rumunjska. Rekao je to jučer Darko Marinac, novi predsjednik Nacionalnog vijeća za konkurentnost na predstavljanju izvješća o konkurentnosti koje se radi svake dvije godine.
Od 2002. godine po različitim ekonomskim kriterijima naša zemlja izgubila je od dva do 21 mjesta i na globalnoj ljestvici konkurentnosti zauzima nisko 79. mjesto od ukupno 104 zemlje.
Najveći je pad u neproduktivnosti javnih izdataka, što znači da država šakom i kapom daje potpore gospodarstvu (čak šest puta veće od EU).

Ostatak...http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/economics/325022/index.do

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8320/rast7bv.jpg

Vase misljenje o ovome i koliko vam se cini da ovaj clanak ima smisla? :)

Zapocet cu s vlastitim misljenjem i potpitanjima.
Koliko sam cital po domacim medijima; turizam nam za sad biljezi 7 postotni rast, izvoz raste po stopi od 14 posto - najvise u EU, a uvoz 11 posto, te nezaposlenost se blago smanjuje kaj je naravno uvjetovano i sezonskim poslovima u turizmu u ovo doba godine. Industrijski rast prije mjesec dana zabiljezil je 9 postotni rast.
Inace, gledajuci ovu tablicu iznad, dolazim do zakljucka da bi nam se place trebale prepoloviti da bi Hrvatska postala konkurentnija (?) hmm :dunno:

p.s. Subvencije su nam 6 puta vece u odnosu na one u EU,
A u Posusju cak 12 puta vece :D

Svaka cast autorici na informiranosti.:bash:

SinCity

July 5th, 2005, 03:48 AM

Sarajka

July 5th, 2005, 04:00 AM

A little clip from an article I read today:

"Another contributing factor to economic development in Bosnia and Herzegovina are the other new, national economies in the region. Of the three neighboring regions, the economy in Croatia is having the most profound effect on local [Bosnian] markets.

"We knew that Croatia's economy would recover most quickly," said Ajsa Selimovic, an analyst with the Sarajevo-based Bosanska Kuca group.

"What has come as a surprise is exactly how much influence the Croatian economy has on trends in Bosnia and Herzegovina. It is, of course, very complicated but the basic implications of the data we have collected over the past 10 years are clear. When Zagreb is doing well, factories open in Bihac. When Dubrovnik is doing well, industries in Mostar experience a boom. This is part of the reason that the economy of the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina has surged so obscenely ahead of that in the Republika Srpska."

...

"Of course it has national and political implications. Even after socialism, in a capitalist economy, we fare better when everyone is doing well," she added.

:)

bubach_hlubach

July 5th, 2005, 04:33 AM

^ that's very true. Imagine what the situation could've been like if there were no wars :ohno: , but well, eventually it will get better for everbody :)

SinCity

July 5th, 2005, 04:48 AM

Great article Sarajka. Most people have suspected that this was the case. Bosnian and Croatian economies are linked and its good to see Croatia's prosperity extend into the federation. It also applies in tourism. People visit Croatia, but tourism promoters insist that they also visit Bosnia such as Mostar, Sarajevo, etc. Thereby creating a flow on effect.

Its all good. :yes:

BTW - I also read last week that the most properous parts of Bosnia are the Croat majority areas, followed closely by the rest of the federation. The worst performing part was RS which was backward economically. Goes to show they need to rethink their need for a seperate entity.

bubach_hlubach

July 5th, 2005, 04:56 AM

Its hard to gather but from what I keep reading there is a lot of positive growth on many factors in Croatia. The prediction is 4.4 for 2005 and that isn't too bad IMO. Compare this with Slovenia where growth has slowed down somewhat.

I personally feel that its a bit of sensationalist journalism. Our economic growth could easily be higher. We have more than the right ingredients, however I'd like to see lower employment and a reduced public sector. Croatia still has one of the biggest public sectors of any country and the government needs to shift this towards private enterprise ...... and smartly too.

Ohhh you just feel that's a bit of sensationalist journalism? Then welcome to the real world of the Croatian journalism :D
Well, as you can clearly see everything has deep political roots in Croatia, which affects even less important themes, then how wouldnt it even have some influence on so important factor as national economy. ;)
I especially liked the shit of the year - Croatian subventions higher 6 times than in EU roooofl
A 4% percent growth was (i think) predicted for 2005, but as long as it is a positive trend bolded with a '+', i dont know why they freak out like our whole economy is about to collapse, jeeeeeeee.

All CE-EE countries in transition have been having a slower growth, and they are still considered quite successful, but when it is about Croatia - a country that's by GDP (productivity per head) ranked right after Slovenia, Czech R. and Hungary, then it leads to collective suicide - our economy is being considered the worst on the whole planet jeee :bash:

Anyways, I didnt have a clue our salaries were higher than in Portugal :)
Maybe our journalist and politicians (not economists :D) should take a look at Portugal's growth ;)

:cheers:

Kommandant Mark

July 5th, 2005, 05:04 AM

Sta mu znaci to "ukupan mijesecni trosak rada"?
Vidim da je kod nas 330 EUR u SiCG za 2004, a Rumunjskoj i Bugarskoj 276EUR i 204EUR.

Kommandant Mark

July 5th, 2005, 05:05 AM

New interceptor ship for Croatian coast guard(not navy, coast guard) - Presretac P70, top speed 45 knots

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/posejdon/PresretaP70.jpg

Domestic-build of course, otherwise I wouldn't post it - not interesting:)

bubach_hlubach

July 5th, 2005, 05:20 AM

Sta mu znaci to "ukupan mijesecni trosak rada"?
Vidim da je kod nas 330 EUR u SiCG za 2004, a Rumunjskoj i Bugarskoj 276EUR i 204EUR.

Mjesecni brutto dohodak (prije oporezivanja i davka drzavi).

Kommandant Mark

July 5th, 2005, 05:20 AM

Pa sta, mi dakle imamo veci bruto dohodak od uskoro novih clanica te "E U", Rumunije i Bugarske?
Nesto mi zao tih zemalja:(

SinCity

July 5th, 2005, 05:22 AM

The naughty island of PAG. See my thread :devil: ......

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=231626

bubach_hlubach

July 5th, 2005, 05:37 AM

Pa sta, mi dakle imamo veci bruto dohodak od uskoro novih clanica te "E U", Rumunije i Bugarske?
Nesto mi zao tih zemalja:(

Trebalo bi ti biti zao i Hrvatske onda, jer po hrvatskim medijima Rumunjska i Bugarska su odavno presisale Hrvatsku :D

bubach_hlubach

July 5th, 2005, 05:38 AM

The naughty island of PAG. See my thread :devil: ......

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=231626

Great pics! Are those from this or last year ? :)

SinCity

July 5th, 2005, 05:44 AM

Great pics! Are those from this or last year ? :)

2004.

2005 pics will come soon once they put them up on the web. Thats how I always wanted to picture Croatian summers. Croatian youth enjoying themselves alongside our guests. As long as they dont let it end up like shitty Ibiza. The way it is now is perfect. Although I hear they may place 4am restrictions on the clubs because of noise. The residents dont want non-stop 24-7 partying ..... :D

bubach_hlubach

July 5th, 2005, 06:02 AM

2004.

2005 pics will come soon once they put them up on the web. Thats how I always wanted to picture Croatian summers. Croatian youth enjoying themselves alongside our guests. As long as they dont let it end up like shitty Ibiza. The way it is now is perfect. Although I hear they may place 4am restrictions on the clubs because of noise. The residents dont want non-stop 24-7 partying ..... :D

Oh yeah, I've heard the locals werent too happy having that crazy night life all night long by their homes. I also think that 'church' got involved due to too exposed nudity at those parties lol :D

SinCity

July 5th, 2005, 06:19 AM

Oh yeah, I've heard the locals werent too happy having that crazy night life all night long by their homes. I also think that 'church' got involved due to too exposed nudity at those parties lol :D

Not just night clubs, but also day clubs as well LOL. It goes non-stop. I can see in the pics quite a few raunchy performances. :devil:

AstroBoy

July 5th, 2005, 10:31 AM

At 4.4 % growth forecast for 2005. Thats actually fantastic. You dont even see this kind of growth anywhere in the western world. Obviously it could be better so we'll see what happens with the Croatian governments proposal last week to substantially lift economic growth. Otherwise in its line with the level of growth with most transition economies.

long foot

July 5th, 2005, 11:47 AM

Vase misljenje o ovome i koliko vam se cini da ovaj clanak ima smisla? :)

Ma seru govna, to je sve što mogu reći, vidiš da se gospodarski rast svih tranzicijkih zemalja kreće od 3 do 6 posto. Nigdje, pa ni u Češkoj ni Sloveniji rast nije prelazio tih 6 posto. Naš je solidnih i stabilnih 3,8 posto. Za mene čisto dovoljno.
Osim toga, ako ekonomija u nekoj zemlji raste 10 posto na godinu, tu nešto debelo smrdi. to jednostavno nije prirodan rast i temelji se na nestabilnim temeljima. Dok je iznad 2,8 posto, sve je ok.
Pun mi je k. tih apokaliptičnih predviđanja o hrvatskoj ekonomiji, kao, pa svi su nas pretekli, Slovačka nas pretekla, Poljska nas pretekla, a sad nas i Bugari i Rumunji pretiču. Moš mislit kako nas pretiču! Da nisam bio u Rumunjskoj i VIDIO SVOJIM OČIMA kako sve to izgleda, još bih i povjerovao ovakvim lupetanjima, ali kad sam vidio kako izgleda Bukurešt, kako im izgledaju ceste, pruge, tramvaji, stanice podzemne željeznice, odjeća ljudi na ulici, fasade, jasno mi je da su oni po svemu 30 godina iza nas.

long foot

July 5th, 2005, 11:53 AM

AstroBoy

July 5th, 2005, 11:53 AM

Croatia I think suffers from the "Tall Poppy Syndrome". Basically there are always idiots waiting to cut down anything or anyone doing positive with a whole bunch of negativity. Croatia's growth has been well with line expected of transition countries. Anything significantly higher is unimaginable. Growth in most western countries lingers sightly below or slightly higher than 2 %. Croatia is fine, but this kind of journalism is by incompetant morons. We're doing nicely.

AstroBoy

July 5th, 2005, 11:56 AM

Sarajka, that is truth, economy of Herzegovina is almost integral part of Croatian economy. It is strongly conected with Dalamatia. But BiH also has great opportunities to develop its own tourism in cooperation with Croatia. It is world famous now and everyone who visit Croatia during summer time could also visit Sarajevo, Mostar and beautiful Bosnian mountains. Why not?
You should only try stronger touristic promotion, like Croatia is doing now.

Its not just tourism, but also economically Bosnia is growing rapidly as it piggy-backs of the Croatian economy. Its normal when you look at Bosnia's geographic location in relation to Croatia. Lets hope this level of prosperity continues for both countries. :) I'm more than sure it will.

Sarajka

July 5th, 2005, 11:58 AM

BTW - I also read last week that the most properous parts of Bosnia are the Croat majority areas, followed closely by the rest of the federation.

Not really.

Brcko is the most prosperous city in the country, by far. A fairly distance second is the Bosniak side of Mostar, and a close third is Sarajevo.

The difference between the Bosniak and Croat side of Mostar is more drastic than you'd expect, mainly due to investment and tourism - people aren't coming to see the commieblocks of West Mostar, or help rebuild them.

The Una-Sana Canton (Bihac, Bosanska Krupa, Cazin, etc...) is - by overall average - the most prosperous canton in the federation.

Medugorje does better than the overall average for Una-Sana, but is still slightly behind Bihac.

Prosperity in rural areas is a bit hit and miss. Farmers who own vineyards in Hercegovina tend to do much better than farmers who own fields in Bosnia. This, of course, makes it's way up the chain - but Brcko, "Bosniak" Mostar, Sarajevo, Una-Sana, and Medugorje are still well ahead of the rest of the country.

Sarajka

July 5th, 2005, 12:00 PM

Its not just tourism, but also economically Bosnia is growing rapidly as it piggy-backs of the Croatian economy. Its normal when you look at Bosnia's geographic location in relation to Croatia. Lets hope this level of prosperity continues for both countries. :) I'm more than sure it will.

Maybe someday you'll need to piggy back from us too. :D (Hahaha) Return the favor.

long foot

July 5th, 2005, 12:05 PM

The naughty island of PAG. See my thread :devil: ......

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=231626

Unfortunatly my 56 k can't open it :(

Sarajka

July 5th, 2005, 12:12 PM

Long Foot, there was one commercial I saw for the tourism industry that was really amazing. It had kolo dancers, Bosniaks, Serbs, and Croats. I forget the order...say it started with Bosniaks. There's no music, just the foot-stamping. It shows them for a few seconds, then beautiful views of Bihac, Bosanska Krupa, Pocitelj, etc. Then it shows Croat kolo dancers, more stamping as it shows Neum, Kravica, Vares, Novi Travnik, etc. Then it shows Serb kolo dancers, and then beautiful views of Banja Luka, Prijedor, etc. Then it shows one dance with a couple from all three groups, and the foot stamping gets faster and faster and faster, and it's showing views of Tuzla, Mostar, Sarajevo, etc. Then the last stamp is one big one, and the words come up - something simple, I think it just said "Bosnia and Herzegovina".

My favorite commercial I've ever seen for Croatia was in Italian. It showed churchbells, Italian dress, etc. There is this couple, speaking Italian, lovers - walking down the street, etc. Flirting. They go to a cafe by the sea, romantic music, then the bill comes...music stops, the guy stands up after this feast dancing and screaming he's so excited. Then the screen goes black and it says:

You get more in Croatia.

:D

AstroBoy

July 5th, 2005, 12:24 PM

Maybe someday you'll need to piggy back from us too. :D (Hahaha) Return the favor.

Working together is the only way the region can return to prosperity. A stable Bosnia helps Croatia and vica versa. :)

Sarajka

July 5th, 2005, 12:27 PM

Working together is the only way the region can return to prosperity. A stable Bosnia helps Croatia and vica versa. :)

Wanna hold hands? :) Hehehe.

Okay, sorry to have abducted your thread! I just wanted to share that little tidbit, see what you guys thought of it! :D Back to Croatian construction!

AstroBoy

July 5th, 2005, 12:27 PM

Unfortunatly my 56 k can't open it :(

Oh no! You have my many sympathies. :D I'm sure you've heard all the Pag stories, now there are pictures to confirm LOL.

AstroBoy

July 5th, 2005, 12:29 PM

Wanna hold hands? :) Hehehe.

Okay, sorry to have abducted your thread! I just wanted to share that little tidbit, see what you guys thought of it! :D Back to Croatian construction!

No worries. We welcome all visitors!

BTW I was expecting a piggy back site seeing tour of Bosnia with my luggage included. ;)

Sarajka

July 5th, 2005, 12:46 PM

^ Hahaha! You're evil! ;)

But, since you insist...you can rent a few women to do that in Siroki Brijeg. :D

Daniela

July 5th, 2005, 03:23 PM

Foreign Minister Expects Croatia's Eu Entry Talks During British Eu Presidency

"ZAGREB, July 5 (Hina) - Croatia's Foreign Affairs and European Integration Minister Kolinda Grabar-Kitarovic on Tuesday gave a talk during a working breakfast with representatives of the Hanns Seidel Foundation at the office of the German province of Baden-Wuerttemberg in Brussels, the ministry said in a press release.

The minister spoke of the prospects of Croatia's European Union membership, saying it would be conducive to greater stability, security and prosperity. She recalled that the Council of the European Union confirmed at its mid-June meeting that the Union would continue with the enlargement despite what she said was currently an "introspection phase".

The minister also said that the priorities of current EU president Great Britain described the enlargement as a historic opportunity to build a bigger and more powerful community.

She voiced confidence that Croatia's full cooperation with the Hague war crimes tribunal would be recognised during the British presidency and that the decision to open accession negotiations with Croatia would be approved soon."

mic of Orion

July 5th, 2005, 03:26 PM

^ Hahaha! You're evil! ;)

But, since you insist...you can rent a few women to do that in Siroki Brijeg. :D

What is this all about Siroki Brjeg? Where is it? Has it anything to do with Herzegovina Lobby? Is it synonym for Herzegovina Lobby sort of Gojko Susak Cousin or something ?

Is it a joke? I don't get it?

What does it mean?

Sorry I never understood what it meant and whats the meaning of when someone says Soroki Brjeg?

long foot

July 5th, 2005, 04:27 PM

What is this all about Siroki Brjeg? Where is it? Has it anything to do with Herzegovina Lobby? Is it synonym for Herzegovina Lobby sort of Gojko Susak Cousin or something ?

Is it a joke? I don't get it?

What does it mean?

Sorry I never understood what it meant and whats the meaning of when someone says Soroki Brjeg?

It is general synonym for Herzegovian lobby in Croatia, especialy Zagreb ;) For example, Milan Bandić, mayor of Zagreb, well, he is not from Široki Brijeg, but he is "one of them" ;)

mic of Orion

July 5th, 2005, 05:25 PM

thnax LF I thought it could have been, never heard of it before but I read few posts here to put things together, but still wasn't sure...

Is Bandic from Herzegovina ?
I thought he was from Zagreb ?

Now I ce why some ppl hate him, lol, guys pm sometimes with political updates, lol as I clearly need to catch up a bit, lol...

I will still keep open mind towards him, I like his reforms of the administration if they are put through, and I would go even further to save money but hey, it is not my term., lol...

ok Different issue, As you probably all know few foreign investors have big interest investing in to Dubrovnik Airport, investment of 20€ million would be made in to expanding terminal and possible introduction of up to 8 sky (air) bridges which would make Dubrovnik major Airport in this parts. Capacity of airport with this investment would triple to 4.5 million passengers and possible expansion would revitalise entire southern Croatia.

Dubrovnik Airport and potential location for passenger terminal expansion...
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1761/dubrovnikairportexpansionlikle.jpg

http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dubrovnikairportexpansionlikle.jpg

long foot

July 5th, 2005, 07:40 PM

mic of Orion

July 5th, 2005, 07:54 PM

Yes, he is from Hercegovina, Grude I think. But I think it is completely irrelevant where someone was born if he does his work properly.

Now I can understand what is best described outright hostility towards the man by few Croatian members and I sound like a ignorant fool when saying he is ok, lol This ppl are fuming, saying are you blind you stupid twat, he is not even from Zagreb, lol,.

OK I got confused by your singnature LF, "Ja sam jedan fini zagrebački gospodin" - Milan Bandić

to lol, now I ce the sarcasms, lol

I hope you guys can forgive me, if Some one told me he was from Herzegovina Lobby I would have probably acted differently, lol and wouldn’t be so nice to him, lol

But truly I think I’ll ce how he does and what happenes with the city, lol :) if he is Twat as you describe him to be, I’ll be more than happy to write him off, but for now I’ll respect the man for winning the elections and seeing the city transforming itself in to National Capitol :) :)

Sarajka

July 5th, 2005, 08:32 PM

From the Bosnian perspective, Siroki Brijeg is the center of Croatian separatism. They have a giant statue of Tudman there, and so on. It's a safe symbol, though, because it is - and has always been - an almost entirely Croatian town.

It's not like West Mostar, or Pocitelj, or such places - where war tragedies make people on both sides unable to joke.

Siroki Brijeg has always been exactly what it is today. The village that thinks it's the capital of Ragusa. ;)

So all sides use it as a funny symbol.

EDIT: I tried to find a comic I downloaded a year or more ago. It had two scenes, the first was the Croatian National Theatre in Zagreb with the caption at the bottom: Culture in the Croatian capital - Zagreb.

Then the next scene showed two dirty, poor farmers smoking next to this shack filled with cows, and the caption said: Culture in the Croatian capital - Siroki Brijeg.

They showed people in Siroki Brijeg with the paper, most of them were laughing, good natured about it. Relations between Croat separatists and the Bosnian government tend to be funny, sarcastic - like all our relationships were before the war.

bubach_hlubach

July 6th, 2005, 04:13 AM

bubach_hlubach

July 6th, 2005, 04:16 AM

U Zaprešiću najsuvremenije zavarivanje tračnica
U Zaprešiću je u utorak svečano otvorena modernizirana linija za zavarivanje tračnica. Prema planu restrukturiranja i modernizacije Hrvatskih željeznica, u projekt, koji je poduprla i Svjetska banka, uloženo je oko 2,5 milijuna eura, a ugradnja i puštanje linije u rad prepušteni su HŽ-ovoj tvrtki kćeri Proizvodnja-regeneracija d.o.o.
Ovaj pogon trebao bi puno značiti i za gospodarski prosperitet Zaprešića. »Izrazito sam zadovoljan što je tako visoko sofisticirana tehnologija smještena ovdje i nadam se da će s njom Zaprešić napredovati«, rekao je na otvorenju gradonačelnik Vinko Morović.
Predsjednik Uprave Hrvatskih željeznica, Tomislav Mlinarić istaknuo je da se radi o najsuvremenijoj tehnologiji za zavarivanje tračnica u ovom dijelu Europe, te da je njome moguće godišnje zavariti oko 360 kilometara tračnica. Direktor Proizvodnje-regeneracije, Davor Poljak, najavio je i premještaj tvornice skretnica iz Trnave u Zaprešić. [R. D.]

bubach_hlubach

July 6th, 2005, 04:20 AM

STRANA ULAGANJA
Poznata danska tvrtka Rockwool u Istri će uložiti 75 milijuna eura

U Istri će se graditi najveći pogon za kamenu vunu
Autor VESNA BRNABIĆ

Žarko Mašanović - voditelj projekta

U Pićnu, maloj istarskoj općini poznatoj po nekadašnjim rudnicima ugljena, već ove jeseni počet će gradnja najveće tvornice kamene vune na svijetu, a proizvodnja bi trebala početi već 2007. ako se dozvole prikupe na vrijeme.Danska tvrtka Rockwool, koja ima tvornice u 14 zemalja, odlučila je proizvodnju kamene vune u zemljama na jugu početi upravo u Istri.
Voditelj projekta Rockwoola Žarko Mašanović, zaposlen u danskom veleposlanstvu, kaže da to neće biti "bilo kakva" tvornica. Bit će to najveća i najmodernija tvornica kamene vune sa suvremenom tehnologijom. Temeljni osnivački kapital iznosi 75 milijuna eura.

Veliko ulaganje
Tvornica će godišnje proizvoditi 110.000 tona kamene vune, zaposliti 130 radnika te još oko 250 radnika posredno, u transportu, održavanju, uslužnim djelatnostima. Riječ je o projektu u dogovoru s hrvatskom Vladom, Istarskom županijom i lokalnom upravom. U fazi smo prikupljanja svih potrebnih dozvola te izrade studije utjecaja na okoliš. Naime, Danska je poznata po skrbi o okolišu, pa je i uprava Rockwoola obećala da će se okoliš štititi parametrima koji su i niži od onih što ih propisuje hrvatski zakon kaže Mašanović.

Načelnik općine Pićan Branko Ružić nada se da će danska tvornica poboljšati standard ljudi toga kraja.

Povećanje standarda
Pićan je mala općina s oko 2000 stanovnika. Nezaposleno je samo četrdesetak ljudi. Nadamo se da će tvornica zaposliti ljude iz okolnih mjesta koja su 15-ak minuta vožnje od Pićna. Na projektu se radi već dvije godine, a očekujemo da će u Poduzetničkoj zoni Pićan, na 51 hektaru površine, gradnja početi u listopadu navodi Ružić.U novoj tvornici koristit će se najsuvremenija tehnologija koja ujedinjuje visoku produktivnost i najvišu razinu zaštite okoliša.

Danska će kompanija izravno zaposliti 130 ljudi, i više nego dvostruko toliko neizravno. Početak prozvodnje u tvornici u Pićanu očekuje se sredinom 2007, pod uvjetom da se konačne dozvole prikupe na vrijeme.

:)

@Mike, if you are reading this - remember that conversation we had about economic comparisions beetwen Istria and Rijeka ? ;)
Although, i do wish this investestment happened rather in Vukovar or Beli Manastir, or Knin...but well :)

:cheers:

bubach_hlubach

July 6th, 2005, 04:52 AM

Suburbs of Bjelovar :

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3308/bjelovarsisis8sus2bs.jpg

Here comes our POS and its weird looking residential buildings :)

POS Cakovec :
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/539/poscakovec061103s12gg.jpg

POS Rovinj :
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3615/rovinj021qg.jpg

POS Slavonski Brod :
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5818/slvonskibrodpos9vn.jpg

POS Vukovar :
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5885/vukovarpos4mf.jpg

:)

Which POS project you guys like best ? :D

:cheers:

SinCity

July 6th, 2005, 05:03 AM

There are two towns of Siroki Brijeg, one is in Zagreb; located on cute hills below the Sljeme mountains - called Mali Siroki Brijeg, while its main satelite is in BiH of course :D
I am not that familiar how all "Croatian" areas in BiH are doing in terms of economy, but can tell ya for sure that because of thousands of outsourced jobs from Zagreb and Croatia to Siroki Brijeg; this town has a very bright future - a new Silicon Valey :D

You and this "Siroki Brijeg" obsession. :D I see you have analysised this "new" colony on the outskirts of Zagreb, including the main source in detail.

BTW I listened to that mp3 on you signature. I played it over, and over, and over, again and again. I laughed. I cant believe how this guys talks. Is this some sort of "Siroki Brijeg" accent? :D

SinCity

July 6th, 2005, 05:19 AM

I like this one the best ....

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3615/rovinj021qg.jpg

SinCity

July 6th, 2005, 05:21 AM

Autoceste zamjenjuje izgradnja marina i golf-igrališta

U te projekte, koji bi znatno povećali kvalitetu hrvatskog turističkog proizvoda, osim države i privatnog kapitala - domaćeg ili stranog - bile bi uključene i jedinice lokalne samouprave.

Vlada priprema nekoliko velikih strateških projekata u turizmu i energetici, koje namjerava financirati u suradnji s privatnim kapitalom - javno-privatnim partnerstvom i dodjelom koncesija, doznajemo od izvora bliskog Vladi.
Radi se o projektima poput izgradnje marina i golf igrališta, koji bi bili namijenjeni ponajprije gostima veće platežne moći, a znatno bi povećali kvalitetu hrvatskog turističkog proizvoda. Ti bi se projekti realizirali na odredištima poput Brijuna, Hvara ili Dubrovnika, po uzoru na projekt »Brijuni Riviera«. To znači da bi u njih, osim države i privatnog kapitala - domaćeg ili stranog - bile uključene i jedinice lokalne samouprave. S druge strane, u energetskom sektoru u Vladi najavljuju projekte kao što je plinifikacija zemlje.

»Ako bismo nove strateške projekte, koji su nam očito nužni za poticanje gospodarskog razvoja, financirali na način na koji smo financirali izgradnju autocesta, to bi bilo dugoročno neodrživo, jer bi rezultiralo daljnjim povećanjem vanjskoga duga zemlje i otežalo fiskalnu konsolidaciju. Stoga treba pronaći nove modalitete financiranja ovakvih strateških projekata«, tvrdi naš sugovornik, napominjući kako u Vladi upravo razmatraju nekoliko opcija, među kojima posebno ističe zajedničke projekte središnje i lokalnih vlasti s privatnim kapitalom, te raspisivanje natječaja za dodjelu koncesija.
Na neodrživost sadašnjeg načina financiranja izgradnje infrastrukture ovih je dana u više navrata upozorio i potpredsjednik Vlade Damir Polančec, koji je poručio kako sljedeće velike strateške projekte, uz nastavak izgradnje autocesta, možemo očekivati upravo u turističkom i energetskom sektoru.

Iako Polančec nije želio izlaziti ni s konkretnim projektima, ni s načinom njihova financiranja, rekao je kako su pripreme Zakona o javno-privatnom partnerstvu u završnoj fazi, te bi se o tom zakonskom prijedlogu na jesen trebao izjasniti Hrvatski sabor.

To nam je potvrdio i naš sugovornik blizak Vladi. Budući da se projekt izgradnje autocesta polako privodi kraju, država će se u budućnosti više okretati projektima u turizmu i energetici, naravno uz nastavak izgradnje zacrtanih cestovnih pravaca. Strateški projekti koje država namjerava pokrenuti u turizmu i energetici hrvatskom bi gospodarstvu trebali donijeti višestruku korist, jer bi, osim poticanja sve sporijeg gospodarskog rasta, trebali rezultirati i otvaranjem novih radnih mjesta, kao i bržim razvojem lokalnih sredina, uz manje oslanjanje na financiranje iz državne blagajne.

»Strateške projekte koji će spojiti privatni i državni kapital te lokalnu samoupravu načelno valja pozdraviti, no na kraju će sve ovisiti o tome kakve ćemo ugovore potpisati i kako će se oni provoditi«, prokomentirao nam je ove najave iz Vladinih krugova Hrvoje Stojić, analitičar Hypo Alpe-Adria banke.
Dodao je kako će štošta ovisiti i o tome koje ćemo ulagače privući u ove strateške projekte, odnosno o tome hoće li to biti »zvučnija imena«, ili netko drugi. Ako se u provedbu ovih projekata uključe »jači igrači«, poznati u svjetskim poslovnim krugovima, Hrvatskoj bi to donijelo kvalitetniju uslugu za nižu cijenu, naglašava Stojić.

Ipak, primjećuje kako su projekti javno-privatnog partnerstva lakše ostvarivi u energetici i gradnji prometnica nego u turizmu, tim više što bi se jaki strani partner u takvom projektu mogao jeftinije od države zadužiti u inozemstvu. Upozorava i kako nije realno očekivati da će provedba ovih projekta proračunu donijeti velike uštede, kao ni zaustaviti rast vanjskoga duga zemlje. Za to su potrebni veći iskoraci u reformi mirovinskog, zdravstvenog i socijalnog sustava, te u području subvencija, zaključuje Stojić.

http://www.vjesnik.hr/html/2005/07/06/Clanak.asp?r=gos&c=1
Adriano Milovan

SinCity

July 6th, 2005, 05:35 AM

Project "Brijuni Riviera" is one of the projects that can and should significantly change the current picture of Istrian and Croatian tourism. Recognizing this need, which is also a business opportunity, the Government of the Republic of Croatia and the Istrian Region elaborated the material that will serve as a starting point for the realization of the project, and they signed the Public Contract on the Foundation of the Society "Brijuni rivijera". All the materials elaborated so far, presentations, and adopted decisions can be found at

http://www.brijunirivijera.com. :)

http://www.brijunirivijera.hr/im/map.gif

bubach_hlubach

July 6th, 2005, 05:42 AM

You and this "Siroki Brijeg" obsession. :D I see you have analysised this "new" colony on the outskirts of Zagreb, including the main source in detail.

BTW I listened to that mp3 on you signature. I played it over, and over, and over, again and again. I laughed. I cant believe how this guys talks. Is this some sort of "Siroki Brijeg" accent? :D

Yes, that is typical Siroki Brijeg - Posusje accent, one of the softest accents i have ever heard, dont you agree? :D
If you wanna hear more of his highly intelligent speeches, go here http://www.iskon.hr/ujfuj/ , here you can download all sorts of the dumbest and funniest speeches of our politicians, also dont forget to browse through archives. And guess who has contributed to this section the most ? ;) ....yup, exactly him...LJ. C. R. :D

P.S. I've heard that our Herzegovinian hero is building another house not too far from the 'previous' location. I cant wait until he gets busted again lol - circus must go on :D

bubach_hlubach

July 6th, 2005, 06:09 AM

Eurodom - Business complex (Osijek, Croatia)

Construction site - 2 days ago :

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/9639/eurodom1tp.jpg

:cheers:

SinCity

July 6th, 2005, 06:15 AM

Yes, that is typical Siroki Brijeg - Posusje accent, one of the softest accents i have ever heard, dont you agree? :D
If you wanna hear more of his highly intelligent speeches, go here http://www.iskon.hr/ujfuj/ , here you can download all sorts of the dumbest and funniest speeches of our politicians, also dont forget to browse through archives. And guess who has contributed to this section the most ? ;) ....yup, exactly him...LJ. C. R. :D

P.S. I've heard that our Herzegovinian hero is building another house not too far from the 'previous' location. I cant wait until he gets busted again lol - circus must go on :D

I admit its not often you here people speak like that. I'll have a browse around on some of those infamous speeches on iskon. I can just image some of the enlightening and awe inspiring things that I'll get to hear. :D

SinCity

July 6th, 2005, 06:20 AM

The Esseker Centar in Osijek is also progressing rather well. They expect it to take off soon now they have completed foundations. The Esseker Centar ....

http://osijek-online.com/vijesti/images/000167_1.jpg

Na jednoj od najatraktivnijih gradskih lokacija u Ribarskoj ulici, koja već duže vrijeme zjapi prazna, uskoro će započeti gradnja moderne poslovno-stambene zgrade ˝Esseker centar˝. Na nekoliko etaža, uz neobičan izgled fasade i podzemne garaže te mali trg u unutrašnjosti centra, nova će zgrada svakako oplemeniti zapušteni izgled Šamačke ulice, ali i jasno povezati središte grada sa Zimskom lukom. Zgrada će u prizemlju imati ugostiteljske i trgovačke sadržaje, dok će se na gornjim katovima u najam dati poslovni prostori, ali i moderni stanovi. Uz otvoreni lift, kao svojevrsnu atrakciju, ˝Esseker centar˝ će na vrhu imati i panoramski restoran.

Iako nema spora da će ˝Esseker˝ znatno uljepšati neugledni dio najstrožeg centra grada, nekima je još uvijek u sjećanju ono maglovito jutro i misteriozno rušenje poznatog osječkog kestena...

SinCity

July 6th, 2005, 06:22 AM

18.4.2005

ESSEKER-CENTAR: USKORO POTPISIVANJE PREDUGOVORA ZA LUKSUZNE STANOVE I LOKALE

Zebić: cijene kvadrata u essekeru 1.800 eura
Iako se tek počinje graditi temeljna ploča poslovno-stambenog objekta Esseker-centar u Šamačkoj i Ribarskoj ulici, investitor Panteon priprema potpisivanje predugovora o kupnji luksuznih poslovnih i stambenih prostora. Prema prvim procjenama, a na temelju projektne dokumentacije i troškovnika, cijena četvornog metra stana bit će oko 1.800 eura.
Izvršni direktor Panteona Boris Zebić kaže kako će konačna cijena biti poznata nakon razgovora sa suinvestitorom Gradom Osijekom i projektantom.

- Već određeno vrijeme obavljamo predbilježbe, a uskoro ćemo, nakon utvrđivanja razine kvalitete opremanja stanova i poslovnih prostora, početi sklapati i predugovore. Pred nama su posljednji dogovori oko izgleda fasade Esseker-centra, od boje i tipa stakla i aluminija koji će se ugraditi na pročelje do tipa opreme koja će biti unutar objekta, primjerice, sustav grijanja i hlađenja, panoramskih liftova, pokretnih stepenica... Sve će to formirati konačnu cijenu. Poslovni će prostori biti skuplji od stambenih i cijena će ovisit o tome jesu li u razini staze, na etaži, odnosno jesu li "okrenuti" prema Šamačkoj ili Ribarskoj ulici, kaže Zebić.

Inače, na gradilištu se radovi intenziviraju jer je Gradnja povećala i broj radnika i tehnike. Pedesetak radnika spremno je za skori početak gradnje glavne betonske temeljne ploče podzemnih garaža, a Gradnja je obećala, pojašnjava Boris Zebić, da će pojačati tempo radova. U Panteonu očekuju da do sredine lipnja budu sagrađene dvije podzemne etaže te da će građevinari zaostatak u poslu, nastao zbog hladne zime, ubrzano nadoknaditi predstojećih mjeseci.

- Sljedeći će nam tjedan projektant dostaviti dodatni projekt natkrivanja atrija Esseker-centra pa ćemo zatražiti dopunu lokacijske i građevne dozvole kako bi cijeli taj unutarnji prostor Centra natkrili pomičnim krovom. Pokrov će biti na bazi poliuretanskih jastuka na napuhavanje pričvršćenih na pomične sajle. Riječ je jednoj potpuno novoj tehnologiji koju ćemo najvjerojatnije primijeniti tako da bi atrij bio mjesto nesmetanog okupljanja građana, zaključuje Boris Zebić

http://www.osijek.hr/nastavak.aspx?id=2189

Daniela

July 7th, 2005, 12:03 AM

I like this one the best ....

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3615/rovinj021qg.jpg

I agree with you SinCity. That one is the best! :)

Daniela

July 7th, 2005, 12:07 AM

Serbia to start talks on WTO entry in early October.

Serbian international relations minister Milan Parivodic said that the country would start talks on its accession to the WTO in the first week of October, around Oct 5. He voiced hope that the country would become a member of the organisation in 2008. Parivodic recently met with top EU and WTO officials in Geneva with whom he discussed issues surrounding the country’s entry into the organisation. In his words, the EU and WTO reps assessed positively the preparatory work on the side of Serbia and said the country was heading in the right direction in terms of reforms.

Daniela

July 7th, 2005, 12:09 AM

President backs joint Croatia-Hungary bid to host Euro 2012 football championship.

Croatia and Hungary plan to bid together to host the 2012 European football championship. The Croatia parliament is yet to approve the project and this might happen this week. Hungarian legislators did that on Monday. Yesterday, a delegation of the Croatian Football Federation (HNS) met with President Stjepan Mesic and informed him of the preparations for the candidacy. Mesic said he supported the project and voiced hope the partnership with the EU member Hungary would open more doors to the country.

Daniela

July 7th, 2005, 12:25 AM

Ljajic Says Extradition of Seven Indictees, Including Mladic, Is Key to EU Integration
06/07/2005

BELGRADE, Serbia-Montenegro -- The extradition of seven war crimes indictees, including Ratko Mladic, remains a major condition for progress in Serbia-Montenegro's bid for EU integration, said federal Human and Minority Rights Minister Rasim Ljajic, who also is chairman of the national council for co-operation with the UN tribunal. Ljajic spoke at a roundtable Tuesday (5 July) titled "War Crime-Trial-Justice-Reconciliation". He reiterated that Serbia-Montenegro could be the "champion of economic, political and social reforms" in the region, but unless it fulfilled this crucial condition, it would lag behind all other countries as regards EU accession. (Danas - 06/07/05; Beta - 05/07/05)

Daniela

July 7th, 2005, 12:34 AM

PRESIDENTS MAROVIC AND MESIC HOLD TALKS IN BELGRADE

BELGRADE, July 6(Hina) - Croatian President Stjepan Mesic and the President of Serbia and Montenegro (SCG), Svetozar Marovic, agreed in Belgrade on Wednesday that the two countries must solve outstanding issues as soon as possible, close the book of war and turn the region into a safe zone pleasant to live in.#L#
The two president said that a lot had been done lately in the development of good-neighbourly relations between Croatia and Serbia and Montenegro, that contacts at all levels had been intensified and that the two countries shared the same objective - joining the European Union.

After his talks with Marovic, the Croatian head of state told reporters that there were legal frameworks and agreements which ensured the enhancement of bilateral cooperation and the settlement of open issues. In this context he mentioned the problem of missing people and refugees as well as the property-related issues.

All of this should be solved so as to close the book of war as soon as possible," Mesic said adding that the two countries should turn to the future. However, he added, what happened must not be forgotten and the individual responsibility of those accountable for war crimes should be established by local courts and the Hague-based UN war crimes tribunal.

"Citizens of both countries must realise that we cannot be slaves to the past, and that we must turn to the future," Mesic told reporters, adding that he had invited Marovic to visit Croatia.

Asked by reporters whether his forthcoming visit to Kosovo means that he would like to assume a role of the leader in the region, the Croatian president answered that he "has neither intention nor illusion about that", and that his visit to Pristina should be treated as an attempt to create a more peaceful, secure and better life for citizens. In this context his meetings with representatives of ethnic Croats in Subotica, Kosovo and Montenegro as well as meetings with ethnic Serb refugees from Croatia should also be looked at, Mesic said.

Asked by reporters whether in light of his statement that guilt for war crimes should be individualised one could expect of Croatia to withdraw a lawsuit it lodged against the SCG before the International Court of Justice, Mesic answered that he had "no mandate to answer such a question" and that it was up to the Croatian government.

Asked whether he and Marovic would support an initiative for declaring 11 July as a day of mourning in countries in the region in memory of the July 1995 Srebrenica massacre, Mesic said that that crime which was the gravest war crime after the Second World War, should not be relativised by some other crimes.

SCG President Marovic said that this decision did not depend on him, recalling that the Council of Ministers, i.e. the government of the state union of Serbia and Montenegro, strongly condemned that crime.

Marovic expressed confidence that the latest visit of President Mesic would contribute to the furtherance of stable and good-neighbourly relations in the region.

According to him, his talks with Mesic pointed out the two countries' commitment to European aims.

Stressing that the SCG will support Croatia's nomination for a nonpermanent member in the UN Security Council, he said that Belgrade was expecting of Croatia "to support our entry into (Nato's) Partnership for Peace and the US-Adriatic Charter," "Serbia and Montenegro wishes Croatia a success on the path towards the EU. The closer our neighbour are to Europe, the closer we are, too," Marovic added.

During his stay in Belgrade, the Croatian president also held talks with Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica and Serbian President Boris Tadic. Later this afternoon Mesic and Tadic are leaving for the northern city of Subotica where Mesic is scheduled to meet representatives of the Croat minority and Serb refugees from Croatia.

Mesic will continue his three-day visit to the SCG with the tour of Pristina, Podgorica and Tivat.

(Hina) ms

Daniela

July 7th, 2005, 12:36 AM

JAPANESE TV CREW SHOOTING EPISODE ABOUT CROATIA AS HOMELAND OF CRAVAT

ZAGREB, July 5 (Hina) - A crew of the Tokyo Broadcasting System. Inc (TBS), one of the leading Japanese television networks, has arrived in Croatia to shoot an episode of the show called 'Discovery of World Mysteries' which will be dedicated to the Croatian roots of the neck-tie (cravat), the "Academia Cravatica" nonprofit organisation reported on Tuesday.#L#
The Japanese TV crew is shooting the episode in the surroundings of Velika Gorica, south of Zagreb.

The 20-million Japanese audience, that usually watches this show on Saturday evening, will be able to watch the episode about the roots of the cravat (tie) and cultural heritage of Croatia.

World media more and more promote Croatia as the home country of the cravat.

In mid-June the Italian television station RAI 3 presented Croatian and Greek tourism and cultural heritage during one episode of the show called "Alle falde del Kilimiangaro". The episode promoted original projects from Croatia, describing it as the homeland of the cravat.

(Hina) ms

gwinczlav

July 7th, 2005, 01:21 AM

Wow, thanks Daniela,

I like this
"Discovery of World Mysteries' which will be dedicated to the Croatian roots of the neck-tie (cravat)"

bambam

July 7th, 2005, 09:16 AM

STRANA ULAGANJA Poznata danska tvrtka Rockwool u Istri će uložiti 75 milijuna eura
U Istri će se graditi najveći pogon za kamenu vunu
Autor VESNA BRNABIĆ

Žarko Mašanović - voditelj projekta

U Pićnu, maloj istarskoj općini poznatoj po nekadašnjim rudnicima ugljena, već ove jeseni počet će gradnja najveće tvornice kamene vune na svijetu, a proizvodnja bi trebala početi već 2007. ako se dozvole prikupe na vrijeme.Danska tvrtka Rockwool, koja ima tvornice u 14 zemalja, odlučila je proizvodnju kamene vune u zemljama na jugu početi upravo u Istri.
Voditelj projekta Rockwoola Žarko Mašanović, zaposlen u danskom veleposlanstvu, kaže da to neće biti "bilo kakva" tvornica. Bit će to najveća i najmodernija tvornica kamene vune sa suvremenom tehnologijom. Temeljni osnivački kapital iznosi 75 milijuna eura.

Veliko ulaganje
Tvornica će godišnje proizvoditi 110.000 tona kamene vune, zaposliti 130 radnika te još oko 250 radnika posredno, u transportu, održavanju, uslužnim djelatnostima. Riječ je o projektu u dogovoru s hrvatskom Vladom, Istarskom županijom i lokalnom upravom. U fazi smo prikupljanja svih potrebnih dozvola te izrade studije utjecaja na okoliš. Naime, Danska je poznata po skrbi o okolišu, pa je i uprava Rockwoola obećala da će se okoliš štititi parametrima koji su i niži od onih što ih propisuje hrvatski zakon kaže Mašanović.

Načelnik općine Pićan Branko Ružić nada se da će danska tvornica poboljšati standard ljudi toga kraja.

Povećanje standarda
Pićan je mala općina s oko 2000 stanovnika. Nezaposleno je samo četrdesetak ljudi. Nadamo se da će tvornica zaposliti ljude iz okolnih mjesta koja su 15-ak minuta vožnje od Pićna. Na projektu se radi već dvije godine, a očekujemo da će u Poduzetničkoj zoni Pićan, na 51 hektaru površine, gradnja početi u listopadu navodi Ružić.U novoj tvornici koristit će se najsuvremenija tehnologija koja ujedinjuje visoku produktivnost i najvišu razinu zaštite okoliša.

Danska će kompanija izravno zaposliti 130 ljudi, i više nego dvostruko toliko neizravno. Početak prozvodnje u tvornici u Pićanu očekuje se sredinom 2007, pod uvjetom da se konačne dozvole prikupe na vrijeme.

bubach_hlubach

July 8th, 2005, 05:02 AM

Kompjutori omogućavaju punjenje 5500 boca vina na sat
06.07.2005 | 22:22

Poduzeće Vinoplod - Vinarija Šibenik, poznato i izvan granica RH po autohtonom visokokvalitetnom vinu Babiću, pustilo je u pogon novu kompjutoriziranu punionicu vina, jednu od najsuvremenijih u RH i najveću u Dalmaciji, vrijednu čak 14 milijuna kuna.

http://www.dnevnik.com.hr/admin/upload/images/1120681474SIB.jpg

Stanko Ferić

Puštanjem u rad te punionice šibenski Vinoplod - Vinarija postao je jednim od vodećih hrvatskih proizvodjača vina. Zahvaljujući informatici i potpuno kompjutoriziranom radnom procesu, šibenski će vinari moći vinom puniti čak 5500 boca u jednom satu.

PODUZETNIK 2 Postrojenje punionice proizvedeno u Italiji stoji 10 milijuna kuna, a Vinoplod - Vinarija novac je osigurala koristeći kredit iz programa Poduzetnik 2 koji im je plasiran preko Erste banke. Preostala četiri milijuna utrošena su za obnovu cjelokupne infrastrukture vinarije.

Kapacitet punionice mnogo je veći nego što su sadašnje potrebe Vinarije, ali, kako je naglasio Mirko Čala, predsjednik Uprave, ona je nabavljena uz pretpostavku da će se proizvodnja povećavati.

"Ulaganje u punionicu logičan je nastavak poslovne politike koju su radnici i mali dioničari tog poduzeća podržali početkom devedesetih godina kada su se odricali čak i dijela vlastitih plaća kako bi mogli ulagati u obnovu vinograda znajući kako bez sirovine nema prave proizvodnje, a bez proizvodnje su besmislena razmišljanja o novim proizvodnim linijama, skladištima ili podrumu za barique bačve.

Zanimljivo je da su radnici - mali dioničari Vinoplod - Vinarije razvojni program svog poduzeća počeli ostvarivati usred Domovinskog rata 1993. godine, u trenutku kada je 80 posto njihovih vinograda bilo na okupiranim područjima Šibensko-kninske županije, a u Šibeniku im je iz raketiranih tankova u more iscurilo više od četiri milijuna litara vina!

U tom trenutku radnici su se odrekli povećanja plaća i dividende te tako akumulirali novac, koji je upotrijebljen za obnovu i podizanje čak 1,200.000 čokota vinove loze na šibenskom području, kupnju vinarije u Vrgorcu i spašavanje tamošnjih 270 hektara vinograda te unaprjeđenje tamošnje simbolične proizvodnje loznih cjepova".

...ostatak u tiskanom izdanju...

bubach_hlubach

July 8th, 2005, 05:05 AM

Pravili kristalizatore, a cilj su im reaktori
07.07.2005 | 21:37

http://www.dnevnik.com.hr/admin/upload/images/1120765198SBB.jpg

Gospodarstvo Brodsko-posavske županije polako ulazi na kinesko tržište, istina, ovoga puta preko austrijske tvrtke Christof Holding AG. Veliki je to pomak s obzirom da na to tržište do sada s ovog područja nije izvezeno robe ni za jedan cent.

Franjo Lepan

Isporuka kristalizatora za kinesku industriju plastike koji su izgrađeni u pogonima Proizvodnje opreme Đuro Đaković, prvi su počeci nastupa na ogromnom tržištu.

U TRI MJESECA Dva kristalizatora, izgrađena u Đuri Đakoviću, svaki težak oko 40 tona, probni su poslovi Christofa koji je početkom godine osnovao zajedničku tvrtku Montaža - Consulting d.o.o. s Montažom d.d. Đuro Đaković.

Proizvodnja opreme d.o.o., kako je rekao direktor Željko Habek, u tri je mjeseca obavila zahtjevan posao prema nacrtima Austrijanaca, koji su za ovaj prvi posao osigurali sav materijal. Osim Proizvodnje opreme u realizaciji projekta sudjelovala je Montaža i Strojna obrada.

"Na ovom poslu nismo nešto posebno zaradili. Svaki kristalizator izgradili smo po cijeni od 57 tisuća eura, ali ono što je bitno pokazali smo da to možemo. Ovaj posao vidimo kao ulaznicu za nove projekte, kao što je gradnja reaktora teških i preko 200 tona. Nakon ove isporuke očekujemo daljnje narudžbe",kaže Habek.

STROGI ZAHTJEVI U Holdingu ističu da s Christofom namjeravaju nastaviti proljetos započete razgovore oko zajedničkih ulaganja.

"Nadam se daljnjem ugovaranju poslova, koji će najvjerojatnije realizirati Proizvodnja opreme, što ja na određeni način testiranje od strane Austrijanaca. Probna ispitivanja proizvedenih kristalizatora pokazala su nam da to možemo raditi, jer malo je tvrtki u nas koje mogu odgovoriti tako zahtjevnim projektima.

Da bi odgovorili strogim zahtjevima ne samo Christofa, već i drugih inozemnih i domaćih tvrtki morat ćemo još uložiti u PO, posebno u kadrove",rekao je u povodu okončanja ovog posla magistar Josip Bucić, direktor Holdinga Đuro Đaković.

long foot

July 9th, 2005, 11:16 AM

Interesting news: Montenegro to pay war reparations to Croatia!

TIJEKOM JUČERAŠNJEG POSJETA PODGORICI PREDSJEDNIK STJEPAN MESIĆ S CRNOGORSKIM PREDSJEDNIKOM POSTIGAO KONKRETAN USPJEH

Crna Gora platit će ratnu odštetu za Konavle

PODGORICA – Crna Gora platit će Hrvatskoj naknadu za dio ratne štete počinjene u Konavlima, objavili su jučer u Podgorici predsjednici Hrvatske i Crne Gore, Stjepan Mesić i Filip Vujanović. Crnogorski je predsjednik precizirao da bi dvije vlade do kraja mjeseca trebale dogovoriti konkretne oblike isplate.
Poslije jučerašnjih razgovora u Podgorici, održanih u sklopu trodnevnoga Mesićeva posjeta Srbiji i Crnoj Gori, predsjednici Mesić i Vujanović objavili su da se dogovara isplata odštete za uništeni stočni fond u Konavlima, a u drugoj fazi isplata naknade za opremu opljačkanu iz dubrovačke zračne luke Ćilipi. Dvojica predsjednika nisu govorila o iznosima ni konkretnim načinima i rokovima isplate, ali neslužbeno doznajemo kako se za nadoknadu uništenoga stočnog fonda spominje svota od oko dva milijuna dolara.

Postupna isplata

Po neslužbenim informacijama, naknada bi se isplaćivala postupno, pa bi najprije bio plaćen uništeni stočni fond, a potom i oprema otuđena iz zračne luke.
– Crnogorska vlada spremna je platiti ratnu odštetu, čime je prihvatila inicijativu udruženja hrvatsko-crnogorskog prijateljstva, izjavio je na zajedničkoj konferenciji za novinare predsjednik Vujanović. Predsjednik Mesić je kazao kako se »isplata ratne štete za Konavle rješava« te kako »ima samo još nekoliko lako rješivih problema«.
Predsjednik Vujanović najavio je da će Crna Gora referendum o nezavisnosti održati u ožujku ili travnju sljedeće godine, nastavi li Srbija odbijati razgovor o crnogorskome prijedlogu preustroja SCG u savez neovisnih država.

Kosovo i CG ne poistovjećivati

– Očekujem da će vlasti u Srbiji do kraja godine promijeniti sadašnji stav Vojislava Koštunice i prestati odbijati razgovor o tom preustroju. Ako ne promijene, Crna Gora održat će referendum, kazao je Vujanović. Upitan podrazumijeva li pod »savezom nezavisnih država« i neovisno Kosovo, Vujanović je odgovorio kako probleme Kosova i Crne Gore ne treba poistovjećivati. »Kosovo treba riješiti što prije, ali dogovorom Beograda i Prištine, uz pomoć međunarodne zajednice. Crna Gora će prihvatiti rezultate takvog dogovora«, kazao je Vujanović.
Dvojica predsjednika istaknula su dobre odnose dviju država i želju za konačnom europeizacijom cijele regije, a Mesić je izrazio nadu da će buduća autocesta do Dubrovnika jednom postati dijelom Jadransko-jonske ceste do Grčke te dalje na istok.

Srbija šuti

BEOGRAD – O eventualnoj dragovoljnoj naknadi ratne štete Hrvatskoj i BiH u srbijanskoj aktualnoj vlasti za sada nema ni riječi. U vezi s tim samo se jedno vrijeme strahovalo od tužbi te dvije bivše jugoslavenske republike Međunarodnom sudu pravde u Den Haagu koje bi mogle rezultirati presudom o isplati ratnih reparacija. Neslužbene jučerašnje izjave iz crnogorskog državnog vrha, da je ta republika spremna nadoknaditi ratnu štetu nastalu u Konavlima, u Beogradu se tumače kao »običan marketing, shodno nastojanjima Crne Gore da izađe iz državne zajednice sa Srbijom«.

Posjet Hrvatima

Poslije razgovora s čelnicima Crne Gore, predsjednik Mesić jučer poslije podne posjetio je Cetinje i Tivat, gdje je razgovarao s predstavnicima hrvatske zajednice u Crnoj Gori. »Postoji zakonski okvir za ostvarivanje prava Hrvata u Crnoj Gori, i oni se za njih trebaju boriti, ali i biti lojalni građani Crne Gore«, kazao je Mesić.

http://www.novilist.hr/Default.asp?WCI=Rubrike&WCU=28612863285F2863285A28582858285D286328962897289E286328632859285C2861285F2861285D28632863286328592863A

Daniela

July 10th, 2005, 05:28 PM

KEY POINTS:

*Government opens subscription for EUR 350mn 10-year bond
*Country to invest EUR 1.3bn if chosen to host 2012 football championship
*Parliamentary parties support introduction of excise on coffee
*Privatisation fund sells 20.7% stake in IPK Kandit for EUR 8.3mn
*Ruling HDZ in talks with MP in attempt to retain formal majority
*Government, pensioners party agree on debt repayment
*Privatisation fund sells 20.7% stake in IPK Kandit for EUR 8.3mn
*Household appliance maker Gorenje plans to boost market share to 60%
*Ruling HDZ in talks with MP in attempt to retain formal majority
*Number of foreign tourist visits grows by 4% y/y in Jan-May
*Retail sales growth accelerates to real 6.6% y/y in May
*Fitch changes outlook on Croatia from positive to stable
*Interest in central bank’s reverse repo tender high ahead of expected bond issue
*Brewery Karlovacka pivovara plans EUR 27mn investments in next five years
*Denmark’s insulation material maker Rockwool to build EUR 75mn plant in Istria
*Ruling coalition loses majority with exit of HDZ MP
*Head of delegation to OSCE parliament says OSCE mission might end in 2-3 years
*Seasonal factors bring unemployment rate down in June
*Government approves draft 2005 budget revision
*Government reportedly offers to pay half of pensioner debt in two years
*Varazdin stock exchange suspends trade in Autotransport shares
*Domestic car sales increase by 20.9% y/y in June
*Port of Rijeka reports 12% cargo traffic increase in H1
*Oil firms INA, MOL to submit final stance on Bosnian Energopetrol today
*Marina company ACI expects improved results this year
*President backs joint Croatia-Hungary bid to host Euro 2012 football championship
*Council warns: Country’s competitiveness worsens in last two years
*Zagreb Stock Exchange reports double turnover in H1
*Zagrebacka banka merges with Dresdner Bank Croatia
*Pharmaceutical maker Pliva completes sale of Sanctur product to Esprit Pharma
*Oil company INA to raise petrol fuel prices by 1-2%
*Aluminium works TLM gets two bids for Transport unit
*Tri-partite social council approves 2005 budget revision

Kommandant Mark

July 11th, 2005, 01:53 AM

I don't think this was posted and I believe its important.

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DATE:28/06/05
SOURCE:Flight International

Hiko receives more helicopters

Zagreb-based Helikopterska Kompanija (Hiko) has taken delivery from Eurocopter of its first EC145 and a single secondhand BK117. The Croatian government recently issued a public tender for national helicopter services and Hiko plans to bid for the contract. The Croatian company earlier this year signed contracts to provide services for the Croatian Automobile Club and Mountain Rescue Service.

http://www.flightinternational.com/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=9157

Kommandant Mark

July 11th, 2005, 01:56 AM

[QUOTE=long foot]Interesting news: Montenegro to pay war reparations to Croatia!

[\QUOTE]

Don't hold your breath:lol:
http://rulingcatsanddogs.com/contents/desktop/1024/cat-holding-breath.jpg

SinCity

July 11th, 2005, 02:48 AM

KM, Montenegro has already agreed to pay Croatia a set amount which was discussed upon President Mesic's visit last week. Montenegro admitted its guilt a couple of years ago and offered a sincere appology.

The question now is how much compensation Serbia must pay Croatia for its part which makes what the Montenegrians did look like peanuts. Either way Serbia is set be made bankrupt as it is expected to pay both Croatia and Bosnia compensation for war damage. I dont think Croatia will allow Serbia into the EU unless this is somehow resolved.

Kommandant Mark

July 11th, 2005, 02:51 AM

SinCity

July 11th, 2005, 02:59 AM

SinCity

July 11th, 2005, 03:07 AM

Croatia improves tourism infrastructure
Jul 07, 05 | 9:33 am

More than eight million foreign tourists visited Croatia last year and the Croatian government is expecting more than 10 million in the next years. Thanks to the country’s supportive tourism private sector in tourism for efforts in improving the industry’s infrastructure .....

Hotels

Private and state investors spent 400 million euro last winter for hotel modernization older and construction. :) New small hotels, summerhouses, camping sites and restaurants infrastructure were established as a result. Previously state-owned hotels have also been revamped to meet international standards.

Airports

The government announced it will bring financial support for the construction of six new airfields, a 800-meter runway for private airplanes, air taxi and rescue flights to the mainland and for short commuter air traffic to existing international airports. :)

Airlines

Croatia is celebrating the creation of two new air carriers. Sun Adria Airlines, based in the Croatian capital Zagreb, started the scheduled flights to several European destinations, including Germany, using two Fokker 100 in the fleet. Dubrovnik Airline, based in Dubrovnik and jointly founded by the Croatian Atlantic Shipping Company and Dubrovnik Airport Authority, is providing summer charters and scheduled using MD-83s.
A third carrier, named European Coastal Airlines, is expected to be established within the next few weeks. :)

Highways

The 380 kilometers long highway across mountain terrains between capital Zagreb and Split, the most important tourism center, finally opened June 29. Work is set to begin on Dubrovnik highway. :)

Croatia is a relatively small (56,500 square kilometers and 4.49 million inhabitants) independent post communist country (former a part of Yugoslavia) in southeast Europe at Adriatic Sea. Tourism contribution to the country’s GDP is approximately 20 percent. Picturesque fishing villages, old antique and medieval towns with unique architecture are among its tourist attractions.

By Jan Blazej

Zagreb, Croatia (eTurboNews)

http://travelvideo.tv/news/more.php?id=5842_0_1_0_M

mic of Orion

July 11th, 2005, 03:17 AM

cool stuf SC

OK this is new Airline in Croatia it is called Sun Adria and has fleet of 5 Fokker 100 (primarily charter - tourist and scheduled to regional destination in Austria, Italy and Hungary, PS... 2 Fokker 100 are in service 3 on order).

You already know of Dubrovnik Airlines and Air Adriatic are 2 other Airlines in Croatia, Dubrovnik Airlines has 2 MD 82 and Air Adriatic 6 (+4 on order) MD82, 82 and 87. Both are only charter airlines and are based in Pula and Dubrovnik. Well Air Adriatic is based in Rijeka (HQ) but main operations are from Pula Airport. As a result of Air Adriatic alone Pula Airport is excepted to handle over 500 000 passengers this year, lol amazing as last year it only handled 180 000 Passengers and Air Adriatic had only fleet of 2-3 MD82...

Sun Adria
http://img207.echo.cx/img207/9137/sunadria0jj.md.jpg

Air Adriatic
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1816/adriaticair3xw.jpg

Dubrovnik Air
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5646/dubrovnikair8fk.jpg

PS I posted part of this article with in EE section of the forum, sorry for repeating it here.... :)

SinCity

July 11th, 2005, 03:26 AM

It be interesting to find out more on this new Croatian airlines called "European Coastal Airlines". I wonder where they will be based and what aircraft they'll be using. I wonder if its charter flights and specialised services.

Anyway Mic, its good you're still here and that you escaped unscathed by that terrible sequence of events in London last Thursday. :(

mic of Orion

July 11th, 2005, 04:04 AM

thanx I got stuck on satiation though, it was no big deal , I was late a bit woke up 30 min late as I worked all nite on project as I am doing it now, but my clock didn't woke me up so my bio-clock kicked in, lol...

Anyways, train I normally take to work got hit, it is very busy line and I am glad I was late cose If I got on my normal rush-hour train as I do every morning I might have gotten worse of than I am now...

I am glad I was late, lol...

ECA, they are based on Island of Brac, Bol I think, where the Airport is... they have fleet of 4-5 small sea airplanes each capable caring 12-20 passengers... Main office will be in Zagreb as they plan to but few larger planes...

bubach_hlubach

July 11th, 2005, 05:02 AM

If we didn't go bankrupt during 10 years of UN sanctions, NATO bombings and following re-construction, I don't think we'll go bankrupt by paying off some so-called "compensation for war damage".

Still, don't hold your breath.
We may even enter EU before you....or more prefferably, not at all;)

KM, this article is only for you, and partially explains why Serbia and Montenegro didnt go bankrupt. I guess Croatia 'supplied' SCiG with a lot of Croatian goods stolen from Croatia which have been used all over Serbian airports - something that should really make ya feel proud of.

Ukupna ratna šteta na području Konavala procijenjena je na 100 milijuna eura, a opljačkano je i uništeno oko 2000 stambenih i gospodarskih objekata

DUBROVNIK - Najava crnogorskog predsjednika Filipa Vujanovića prilikom posjeta hrvatskog predsjednika Stjepan Mesića Podgorici da će Crna Gora platiti ratnu štetu općini Konavle na krajnjem je hrvatskom jugu dočekana je s nepovjerenjem. Crnogorsku spremnost na plaćanje štete Konavljani će prihvatiti ozbiljno tek nakon skorog sastanka najviših hrvatskih i crnogorskih dužnosnika u Cavtatu.
Načelnik općine Konavle Luka Korda za Vjesnik je potvrdio da su nakon prvog službenog posjeta predsjednika Mesića Crnoj Gori počele pripreme za organiziranje sastanka u Cavtatu. Prilikom susreta koji bi se trebao dogoditi 19. srpnja, o načinu i tempu isplate ratne štete općini Konavle trebali bi se dogovoriti hrvatski predsjednik i premijer, Stjepan Mesić i Ivo Sanader, te načelnik općine Luka Korda, u ime Hrvatske, te predsjednik i premijer Crne Gore, Filip Vujanović i Milo Đukanović, u ime Crne Gore.

»Načelni dogovor predsjednika Mesića i Vujanovića predstavlja prvi korak u rasvjetljavanju vrlo neugodnih stvari koje su se u Konavlima dogodile početkom devedesetih godina. Sve sam vrijeme tvrdio da ćemo i dalje morati živjeti pokraj Crnogoraca te s njima surađivati u vitalnim pitanjima koja se tiču svakodnevnog, normalnog života ljudi s obje strane granice. No, isto tako sam govorio državnim dužnosnicima u Zagrebu, ali i u Podgorici, kako nije istina da između Hrvatske i Crne Gore ne postoje otvorena pitanja. U Konavlima se prilikom agresije na hrvatski jug, osim ubijenih i ranjenih ljudi te onih odvedenih u logore poput Mornja, dogodila i velika pljačka u kojoj je ukradena privatna i društvena imovina«, istaknuo je Korda i dodao kako se to danas može nazvati i ratnom štetom, ali da crnogorska strana ne smije bježati od zla koje su crnogorski rezervisti i vojnici napravili na tom području.

Ukupna ratna šteta na području Konavala procijenjena je na 100 milijuna eura, a opljačkano je i uništeno oko 2000 stambenih i gospodarskih objekata.
Luka Korda kazao je da će na tom prvom sastanku na najvišoj državnoj razini biti riječ o naknadi štete za ukradeni stočni fond te o načinu isplate naknade za opljačkanu opremu Zračne luke »Dubrovnik«.
Tijekom agresije u potpunosti je uništena stočna farma kod mjesta Gruda a u Crnu Goru kao »ratni plijen« odvezeno je oko 650 muznih krava čija se vrijednost procjenjuje na 350 tisuća eura. Pribrajajući štete na objektima i opremi farme, taj iznos dostiže čak milijun eura.
Zračna luka »Dubrovnik« pretrpjela je štetu od oko 25 milijuna eura, od čega se 10 milijuna odnosi na ukradenu opremu. Tada najmodernija oprema poput radionavigacijskih uređaja za instrumentalno slijetanje (ILS), uređaja za rulno slijetanje (VOR/DME), cjelokupna rasvjeta piste, vatrogasna i ostala aerodromska vozila kao i 15 rendgena tvrtke Heiman uz nadzor stručnjaka demontirana je i odnesena u zračne luke »Tivat« i »Podgorica« te na aerodrome u Beogradu, Nišu, Užicama pa čak i Banjoj Luci. Problem je što je većina te opreme tehnološki zastarjela te njezin povrat Zračnoj luci »Dubrovnik« ne bi značio ništa osim brige za njezino zbrinjavanje. Iako je 1,4 milijuna eura, koliko je Podgorica u ovom trenutku, kako neslužbeno doznajemo, spremna platiti općini Konavle tek kap u moru, ovaj potez Crne Gore svakako će pokrenuti pitanje ukupne ratne štete koju je Hrvatska pretrpjela za vrijeme agresije JNA i paravojnih jedinica iz ondašnje Jugoslavije.

Anton Hauswitschka
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Got anything more to say?

Kommandant Mark

July 11th, 2005, 05:09 AM

Sorry, I don't read Croatian. Maybe SinCity could translate?::)

bubach_hlubach

July 11th, 2005, 05:20 AM

Sorry, I don't read Croatian. Maybe SinCity could translate?::)

Glad you've paid at least some attention to it, just too bad that your heart was made out of stone.

What comes around - goes around.....

:cheers:

SinCity

July 11th, 2005, 05:48 AM

Glad you've paid at least some attention to it, just too bad that your heart was made out of stone.

What comes around - goes around.....

:cheers:

Thats just KM for you, someone that a few years ago claimed the seige of Dubrovnik was nothing more than a publicity stunt by Croats who were merely burning car tires in the old city just to give Serbs a bad reputation around the world. :|

Anyway, this topic can be discussed in DLM .......

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=233543

SinCity

July 11th, 2005, 05:53 AM

The biggest "Wave Pool" in our region. :)

The new look "Termama Tuhelj" Aquatics Complex in Tuheljskim Toplicama opens soon .....

Termama Tuhelj u Tuheljskim Toplicama (http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/regions/zagorje/329352/index.do)

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/050710/var-bazen-txt.jpg

bubach_hlubach

July 11th, 2005, 06:42 AM

Thats just KM for you, someone that a few years ago claimed the seige of Dubrovnik was nothing more than a publicity stunt by Croats who were merely burning car tires in the old city just to give Serbs a bad reputation around the world. :|

Anyway, this topic can be discussed in DLM .......

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=233543

It's not something that KM came up with, though. It's an old propaganda stuff coming from some so called Serbian historicians and other 'moral and honest experts'. But they were not succesful enough, they can't beat real pictures, videos, and testimonials.
Hopefully, younger Serbian generations will realize some day how sureal and fake Serbian propaganda was during Milosevic's regime.

SinCity

July 11th, 2005, 07:00 AM

Dalmatia experiencing it most successful tourism year to date. Up by 16% :)

The biggest growth was in Šibenik county which was up by 1/3 from last year ....

Istarski gosti pohrlili dalmatincima (http://www.vjesnik.hr/html/2005/07/11/Clanak.asp?r=tem&c=2)

I gather this is in part due to the new Zagreb-Split motorway. :yes:

long foot

July 11th, 2005, 08:22 AM

Hopefully, younger Serbian generations will realize some day how sureal and fake Serbian propaganda was during Milosevic's regime.

I don't think so Bubach! Did you guys know that they still teach kids in schools that Ivan Gundulić and old Dubrovnik writers were actualy Serbs? :sleepy:

long foot

July 11th, 2005, 08:25 AM

Thats just KM for you, someone that a few years ago claimed the seige of Dubrovnik was nothing more than a publicity stunt by Croats who were merely burning car tires in the old city just to give Serbs a bad reputation around the world. :|

Anyway, this topic can be discussed in DLM .......

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=233543

It is good to see that some people are ready to accept their responsibility for was crimes and material damage. Those few millions what Montenegro will pay is more symbolic money, but it shows good will from their side. Their president Milo Đukanović alredy appologized to all they did to Croatia from 1991-1995.

bubach_hlubach

July 11th, 2005, 08:57 AM

I don't think so Bubach! Did you guys know that they still teach kids in schools that Ivan Gundulić and old Dubrovnik writers were actualy Serbs? :sleepy:

I don't care what their kids are taught in schools, they can teach them that Franjo Tudjman was a Serb if it makes 'em happy; as long as those kids are able to realize the truth - who started the war in Croatia and Bosnia, when and why!

SinCity

July 11th, 2005, 08:57 AM

It is good to see that some people are ready to accept their responsibility for was crimes and material damage. Those few millions what Montenegro will pay is more symbolic money, but it shows good will from their side. Their president Milo Đukanović alredy appologized to all they did to Croatia from 1991-1995.

Exactly, its not about everything down to the last dollar, but a good will gesture which means more. It shows they are serious and offering Croatia some respect for the wrong doing. Good on them. I just hope that Serbia does likewise.

long foot

July 11th, 2005, 09:12 AM

I don't care what their kids are taught in schools, they can teach them that Franjo Tudjman was a Serb if it makes 'em happy; as long as those kids are able to realize the truth - who started the war in Croatia and Bosnia, when and why!

But how can they realize the truth when even people abroad are so brainwashed?

bubach_hlubach

July 11th, 2005, 09:42 AM

But how can they realize the truth when even people abroad are so brainwashed?

I would say that most Serbs are not brainwashed anymore, as a matter of fact they are informed really good. The thing is that some of them have realized what actually happened, and they feel sorry-guilty for that, while some of them knew all the time what happened, but still can't admit the truth they witnessed to themselves - it's too bitter for them, therefore they are being stuck in their own illusions, lies and hate.

bambam

July 11th, 2005, 10:49 AM

IAKO je ministar Božidar Kalmeta najavio da u rujnu počinje gradnja pelješkog mosta, kako se čini, sve bi moglo biti odgođeno jer Bosna i Hercegovina neće Hrvatskoj dopustiti gradnju.

Zamjenik ministra prometa BiH Haris Bašić u razgovoru za sarajevski Dnevni avaz tvrdi da je još prije mjesec i pol dana hrvatskog ministra Božidara Kalmetu upozorio na međunarodne konvencije koje garantiraju pristup međunarodnom otvorenom moru. Prema bilo kojem od idejnih rješenja koja su se u zadnje vrijeme pojavila u hrvatskim medijima, gradnjom mosta koji bi spojio kopno i poluotok Pelješac bio bi ugrožen izlazak BiH na otvoreno more, tvrdi Bašić.

U BiH podsjećaju da je Malostonski zaljev jedini ulaz u Neum, te da on ne smije biti popriječen mostom jer taj put predstavlja jedinu vezu teritorijalnog mora BiH s otvorenim morem. Za Bašića je prihvatljiv jedino most koji bi se mogao otvarati i propuštati brodove svih visina.

U pismu koje je iz BiH stiglo ministru Kalmeti stoji da poznata projektna rješenja za BiH nisu prihvatljiva.

Ministar Kalmeta je odlučan u namjeri da se s gradnjom pelješkog mosta počne u rujnu. Potvrdio je da je dobio Bašićev dopis, koji ga je iznenadio s obzirom da su hrvatska i bosanska strana još u ožujku u Cavtatu riješile sve nedoumice u vezi mosta. Tada su predstavnicima BiH bila predočena projektna rješenja na koja nisu imali primjedbe.

"Most će spajati hrvatsko kopno s hrvatskim kopnom preko unutarnjih hrvatskih teritorijalnih voda nad kojima Hrvatska ima puni suverenitet. Stvar je, dakle, jasna." - kazao je Kalmeta za Jutarnji list.

Luk pelješkog mosta, prema posljednjoj verziji projekta, iznosi 35 metara iznad razine mora, što znači da će svi brodovi koji uplovljavaju u zatvoren i dosta plitak Neum moći proći ispod mosta, smatra Kalmeta.

Na 21,5 kilometara bosanske obale oko Neuma nema niti jedne luke, ali na tom području povremeno pristaju strani vojni brodovi.

AstroBoy

July 11th, 2005, 11:49 AM

Its interesting about the sea access for BH and that they are against the bridge unless it opens and closes. The waters of Neum are quite shallow and the bridge clears at 35 metres above the water, therefore its sufficient a height for such vessels to clearly pass beneath it. It'd be interesting to see the outcome and what right of passage BH has towards open seas. Construction on this bridge is expected to start in September this year.

long foot

July 11th, 2005, 12:00 PM

A ako će nas spriječit da ga izgradimo? Poslat će ratnu mornaricu na naše građevinare? :lol:

Osim toga, most će biti visok 30 metara iznad mora, što je dovoljno da zadovolji međunarodne konvencije. Problem je jedino u tome što BiH vlada ne može prihvatit činjenicu da nas više neće moći ucjenjivati prolaskom kroz Neum, pa sad smišlja načine kako da spriječi gradnju mosta. :sleepy:

Btw, ako i dalje budu pravili pizdarije, uvijek im možemo uvesti sankcije ili vize ili već napravit neku psinu ;)

AstroBoy

July 11th, 2005, 12:22 PM

I gather its to do with traffic via Neum, but Croatia has more right to have territorial continuity which is why the Peljesac bridge is of major importance. Anyway BH has Ploce as its primary port.

AstroBoy

July 11th, 2005, 03:26 PM

A steep street in Dubrovnik:

http://img1.travelblog.org/Photos/3952/10833/f/45054-down-the-steps-1.jpg

bambam

July 11th, 2005, 04:30 PM

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/050710/neum.jpg

SARAJEVO - Vlasti Bosne i Hercegovine zatražile su od hrvatske Vlade jamstva da gradnja mosta koji će povezati kopno i poluotok Pelješac neće ni na koji način ugroziti pomorski prilaz Neumu, prenosi u nedjelju sarajevski "Dnevni avaz".

Ovaj list navodi kako je doministar komunikacija i prometa BiH Haris Bašić prije mjesec i pol uputio pismo hrvatskom ministru mora, turizma, prometa i razvitka Božidaru Kalmeti upozorivši ga na međunarodne konvencije koje zabranjuju sprječavanje pristupa otvorenome moru.

S tim u vezi Ministarstvo komunikacija i prometa BiH zatražilo je od hrvatske Vlade uvid u idejni projekt pelješkog mosta.

"Imali smo razgovore s hrvatskom vlastima u kojima su oni jasno rekli da Hrvatska neće učiniti ništa čime bi zapriječila pristup BiH njezinom moru", kazao je Bašić.

U pismu upućenom Kalmeti navedeno je, pored ostaloga, kako za sada poznata projektna rješenja nisu prihvatljiva za BiH.

Jedino prihvatljivo rješenje bila bi gradnja pokretnog mosta jer bi se na taj način jamčila mogućnost prolaza Neumu brodovima svih visina.

Bašić je istaknuo da, koliko je vlastima u Sarajevu poznato, Hrvatska još nije donijela nikakvu odluku o gradnji mosta osim što je dat nalog za izradu idejnog projekta.

Prema međunarodnim pravilima, druga zainteresirana zemlja se nakon izrade takvog projekta obavještava o njegovoj sadržini uz zahtjev za davanje suglasnosti. "Ne držimo se pasivno u ovom pitanju i znat ćemo zaštititi naše interese", naglasio je Bašić.

bubach_hlubach

July 12th, 2005, 02:27 AM

^ da se malo nadovezem na gornji clanak ;)

BiH: Ne damo vam most! ;)

Bosna i Hercegovina neće Hrvatskoj dozvoliti gradnju mosta do Pelješca, strahujući da će joj time biti zapriječen izlaz na otvoreno more.
Kalmeta: Počinjemo graditi u rujnu! :D

Prema pisanju Dnevnog avaza, koje prenosi Jutarnji list, zamjenik BiH-ministra prometa i komunikacija Haris Bašić upozorio je pismom hrvatskog ministra prometa Božidara Kalmetu na međunarodne konvencije koje jamče pristup otvorenom moru.

U pismu se, piše Jutarnji, ističe kako je Malostonski zaljev jedini ulaz u Neum, odnosno teritorijalno more BiH, pa stoga ne smije biti prepriječen mostom. Stoga Vlada BiH traži da bude konzultirana prije bilo kakve konačne odluke o gradnji mosta, upozoravajući da joj je prihvatljiv jedino most koji bi se mogao otvarati i propuštati brodove svih visina.

Kalmetu ti zahtjevi ne brinu. "Mi u rujnu počinjemo graditi most", odlučno je rekao novinarkama Jutarnjeg. "Most će spajati hrvatsko kopno s hrvatskim kopnom preko unutarnjih hrvatskih teritorijalnih voda nad kojima Hrvatska ima puni suverenitet. Stvar je, dakle, jasna." :) :cheers:

Čudi se Bašićevom pismu jer smatra da je s BiH oko pelješkog mosta sve dogovoreno još u ožujku, piše Jutarnji list.

IskonInternet
11.07.2005.

:cheers:

SinCity

July 12th, 2005, 02:47 AM

bubach_hlubach

July 12th, 2005, 02:59 AM

Bosnia's coast is not even 20 kms. It doesn't even reach open sea. I think the new bridge has plenty of clearance and its more vital for Croatia than access for Bosnia to the sea for a couple of pleasure craft owned by the Siroki Brijeg brigade ..... :D

Exactly! The more action - the more money for the entire region, both - Croatia and Bosnia - HB :D, knowing that the Siroki Brijeg brigade will also participate in the bridge project. Taxes on profit will be regurarly paid to BiH (HB), too ;) :D

:cheers:

* 'HB' - dont take it too serious, it is just a joke :)

bokiii

July 12th, 2005, 07:57 AM

I don't think so Bubach! Did you guys know that they still teach kids in schools that Ivan Gundulić and old Dubrovnik writers were actualy Serbs? :sleepy:

GUNDULICH, IVAN (1588-1638), known also as Giovanni Gondola, Servian poet, was born at Ragusa on the 8th of January 1588. His father, Franco Gundulich, once the Ragusan envoy to Constantinople and councillor of the republic, gave him an excellent education. He studied the humanities with the Jesuit, Father Muzzi, and philosophy with Father Ricasoli.

Just to show that some others also consider him something else,these text is from British Brittanica.
And here is a text of German filolog that has to say something about Serbian literatue in Dubrovnik
Немачки филолог Ернст фон Еберг писао је у своме Историском прегледу словенских језика и словенске литературе 1837 године следеће:
''Западни Срби беху израна подељени у мање државе, од којих су неке имале неку врсту аристократско републиканског устројства. Овде ћемо само навести Републику Дубровник, колевку далматинске гране српске литературе.''
Једно од поглавља његове књиге носи наслов: ''Литература Далматинаца или Срба који припадају римокатоличког цркви''

And for an end here is a original map from older times in Balkan history explaining why there may be some Serbs in Dubrovnik
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Serb_lands03.jpg

And here is a chapter explaining that they don't know exactly who was there first it colud be Croats it coluid be Serbs or even both together so some people pop up and its claimed they are Serbs don't be suprised cause it is not clear who came there firts and they probably won't know.But don't claim it was only Croats cause its not true cause it was probably mixed in the beggining of Slavic coming to Balkans there were no nationalities but people were divided into tribes...

long foot

July 12th, 2005, 08:02 AM

upravo dokazuješ ono što sam rekao u gornjem postu. btw stavljam te na ignore listu.

SinCity

July 12th, 2005, 08:18 AM

GUNDULICH, IVAN (1588-1638), known also as Giovanni Gondola, Servian poet, was born at Ragusa on the 8th of January 1588. His father, Franco Gundulich, once the Ragusan envoy to Constantinople and councillor of the republic, gave him an excellent education. He studied the humanities with the Jesuit, Father Muzzi, and philosophy with Father Ricasoli.

Just to show that some others also consider him something else,these text is from British Brittanica.
And here is a text of German filolog that has to say something about Serbian literatue in Dubrovnik
Немачки филолог Ернст фон Еберг писао је у своме Историском прегледу словенских језика и словенске литературе 1837 године следеће:
''Западни Срби беху израна подељени у мање државе, од којих су неке имале неку врсту аристократско републиканског устројства. Овде ћемо само навести Републику Дубровник, колевку далматинске гране српске литературе.''
Једно од поглавља његове књиге носи наслов: ''Литература Далматинаца или Срба који припадају римокатоличког цркви''

And for an end here is a original map from older times in Balkan history explaining why there may be some Serbs in Dubrovnik
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Serb_lands03.jpg

And here is a chapter explaining that they don't know exactly who was there first it colud be Croats it coluid be Serbs or even both together so some people pop up and its claimed they are Serbs don't be suprised cause it is not clear who came there firts and they probably won't know.But don't claim it was only Croats cause its not true cause it was probably mixed in the beggining of Slavic coming to Balkans there were no nationalities but people were divided into tribes...

I'm copying this so you cannot delete it. I've reported this to the mods since you were warned about making further off topic remarks today. Hopefully this will be one of you last offensive and provocative posts from you here and hopefully forever. :mad:

SinCity

July 12th, 2005, 08:21 AM

upravo dokazuješ ono što sam rekao u gornjem postu. btw stavljam te na ignore listu.

Dont worry about placing him in your ignore list. Hopefully he'll be banned for good today for repeatedly doing the same thing after being warned by the mods. Nobody reply to his provocations please until the mods attend to this. Thanks.

bubach_hlubach

July 13th, 2005, 12:46 AM

Dr. HRVOJE KAČIĆ, STRUČNJAK ZA POMORSKO PRAVO,
O REAKCIJI IZ SARAJEVA

BiH ne može zaustaviti
novi most do Pelješca

SPLIT - Dr. Hrvoje Kačić, ugledni stručnjak za pomorsko pravo i bivši predsjednik Državne komisije za granice, na prijetnje iz Sarajeva da neće dopustiti gradnju mosta Pelješac, kaže kako se time negiraju odredbe ugovora o luci Ploče.
— Područje oko Neuma — objašnjava Kačić — ne može primati velike brodove. Zbog toga je s BiH ugovoren poseban aranžman za korištenje luke Ploče. Kada već postoji dogovor da svi tereti koji idu za BiH prolaze kroz Ploče, onda nema smisla tražiti da se još neko područje na našoj obali nađe u toj istoj funkciji. To više što je Malostonski zaljev ekološka zona izuzetno osjetljiva na velike brodove.
Podsjeća da je to područje zaštićeno još početkom 90-ih godina prošlog stoljeća u dogovoru s međunarodnom zajednicom, a restrikcija prolaza odnosi se i na jahte i brodice koje nose teret ili gorivo opasne po okoliš. Također kaže kako vlasti BiH nemaju neke posebne pravne instrumente kojima bi zaustavili najavljenu gradnju mosta Pelješac.
— Most ide između dva dijela hrvatskog teritorija. Oni ovim svojim protivljenjem ne respektiraju posebna prava koja su dobili za korištenjem luke Ploče. To je u suprotnosti s onim što im je hrvatska voluntaristički omogućila. Koliko znam iz planova, luk mosta trebao bi se graditi na visini od 35 metara, što znači da će biti moguć prolazak jahti i brodica ispod njega — ističe dr. Kačić.
Novih informacija o potezima vlasti u BiH u vezi sa slučajem pelješkoga mosta - nema. Naime, nakon pisanja hrvatskih tiskovina o tom projektu, koncem lipnja zamjenik ministra prometa i komunikacija BiH Haris Bašić uputio je hrvatskom ministru mora, turizma, prometa i razvitka Božidaru Kalmeti pismo u kojem traži žuran sastanak predstavnika dvaju ministarstava na ministarskoj razini.
U pismu, među ostalim, stoji kako su na očitovanje ponukani napisima u hrvatskim novinama o nakani početka izgradnje mosta Pelješac tijekom ove godine.
"Malostonski zaljev je međunarodni plovni put i predstavlja jedini ulaz u Neum, tj. u teritorijalno more BiH, i ovaj put predstavlja jedinu vezu teritorijalnog mora BiH s otvorenim Jadranskim morem koja je moguća jedino preko hrvatskog akvatorija (Malo more, Neretljanski kanal i prolaz između Pelješca i Hvara).
Uvažavajući činjenicu da je jedini izlaz BiH na Jadransko more na području općine Neum u ukupnoj dužini morske obale od 21,5 kilometar, te da se morska granica između BiH i RH nalazi na sredini crte između poluotoka Klek (BiH) i poluotoka Pelješac (RH) sasvim je jasno kako projektna rješenja mogućeg mosta nisu prihvatljiva za BIH s ozbirom da ozbiljno ograničavaju pomorski promet do Neuma", stoji u Bašićevu pismu Kalmeti od 24. lipnja.
U ponedjeljak smo pokušali doći do ministra prometa i komunikacija BiH Branka Dokića (inače u ostavci), ali smo samo dobili informaciju kako o slanju ovakvog pisma ministar nije konzultiran. Nadalje Bašić u pismu traži formiranje stručnog povjerenstva u kojem bi bili predstavnici dviju zemalja koje bi, "sukladno zaključcima sa sastanka ministara nastavilo s realizacijom aktivnosti u vezi s tom problematikom". Bašić u izjavi medijima u BiH tvrdi kako se "prema međunarodnim pravilima, druga zemlja, nakon izrade idejnog projekta, obavještava uz zahtjev za davanje suglasnosti". Ni do Bašića u ponedjeljak nije bilo moguće doći jer je bio u Srebrenici.

B. KRIŠTO

:cheers:

bubach_hlubach

July 13th, 2005, 03:40 AM

Resting area 'Krka' on the Zagreb-Split motorway has become a tourist attraction

'Odmorište Krka' na autocesti Zagreb - Split postalo turističkom atrakcijom
12.07.2005 | 21:36

http://www.dnevnik.com.hr/admin/upload/images/1121197117SIB.jpg

'Odmorište Krka', koje su Hrvatske autoceste sagradile na lijevoj obali Krke iznad Skradina, bez dvojbe je jedno od najljepših putničkih odmorišta na hrvatskim i europskim autocestama.

Stanko Ferić

"Da je njegova gradnja na atraktivnoj lokaciji uz novi most preko rijeke Krke, s koje se pruža nezaboravan pogled na dio kanjona rijeke Krke, do sada oku potpuno skriveno Prukljansko jezero i grad Skradin pun pogodak, potvrđeno je odmah po otvorenju zadnje dionice autoceste. Turisti su ga odmah uočili kao vrhunsku atrakciju, a stanovnici Skradina i Šibenika u njemu su odmah pronašli idealno gradsko izletište gdje dolaze šetati i odmarati se.

ISKUSTVO U UGOSTITELJSTVU
Iako Odmorište Krka još nije do kraja uređeno, iako na njemu tek treba posijati travu, iako još ne radi restoran, ono je svakodnevno puno putnika, turista i izletnika.

Kada Hrvatske autoceste sagrade planiranu žičaru od odmorišta do pristaništa na Krki, koja teče pedesetak metara ispod njega, ono će postati jednom od najposjećenijih turističkih destinacija u Hrvatskoj i vjerojatno jedinim mjestom u svijetu na kojemu će putnici koji putuju autocestom moći ne samo zastati i osvježiti se nego će moći otići na izlet brodom do Skradina ili Skradinskog buka u obližnjem Nacionalnom parku "Krka"!

Ivo Kovilić, poduzetnik iz sela Dubravica kod Skradina, vlasnik poduzeća Krka comerce koje je od Hrvatskih autocesta zakupilo "Odmorište Krku" na 25 godina, rođen je 1960. godine u Dubravicama. Cijeli je život proveo na Krki, a njegov je otac bio vrhunski majstor i jedan od zadnjih obrtnika koji je znao graditi i održavati vodenice i mlinice na Krki.

Ivo se u poduzetničke vode otisnuo u ranoj mladosti. Prvi posao bio mu je brodarenje - prijevoz turista od Skradinskog buka Visovačkim jezerom do otoka Visovca i Roškog slapa. Iako je po struci inženjer elektrotehnike, posvetio se - ugostiteljstvu. Nakon brodarenja na Krki, otvorio je fast food kioske u Šibeniku i Vodicama. Vodički kiosk 1993. godine tijekom Domovinskog rata raznijela je granata.

http://www.dnevnik.com.hr/index.php?article=7495
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I've been there many times as a kid with my parents. We used to go to little town Pirovac near Sibenik. My dad as an employe of Croatian Railways was able to get us cheap accomodation in hotel resort for Croatian Railways employes, also called "Zeljeznicko odmaraliste" :D
Croatian company Podravka also had a hotel resort for its employes in Pirovac, right across ours - I and other kids from "HZ" were always jealous at Podravka, they had everything better than "HZ" ; nicer rooms, nicer restaurants, nicer playgrounds etc. lol :D

Anyways, it's amazing to see that tourism in this area is gonna be prosperous again. the Krka River and Skradinski buk are gorgeous - heavenly beautiful. :)

SinCity

July 13th, 2005, 04:55 AM

Iran and Croatia are setting up closer economic ties. Iran is interested in Croatian shipbuilding .....

CROATIA: Iran, Croatia Cooperation in Shipbuilding Industry Viewed

2005-07-12 17:32:44

Irans Minister of Roads and Transportation Mohammad Rahmati said that with regard to shipbuilding industry, Croatia is a strong country in the field and Iran could become a good market for the production, manufacturing and repair of ships.

Also, the private sector in Croatia, which is very powerful, could make suitable cooperation with Irans private sector, said the minister during his comments in the Preliminary Meeting of the Joint Commission of Iran and Croatia, held on Monday in Tehran.

Referring to the lack of a direct air route between Zagreb and Tehran, the official stated that necessary agreements should be reached in this regard too, although generally speaking, the trade volume between the two countries is not very significant. He also explained that Irans exports to Croatia in the past year stood at about one million dollars and the country exported some 10 million dollars of its products to Iran during the same period.

The Islamic Republic of Iran could expand its economic cooperation with Croatia in other sectors such as manufacturing heavy agricultural and road construction machineries as well as producing raw material for the factories in Croatia, another high-ranking official in Irans Ministry of Roads and Transportation concluded at the end, Iranian Students News Agency reported.

Source: Tehran Mehr News Agency

www.seeurope.net

"Iran-Croatia can benefit from mutual potentials"

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - ©2005 IranMania.com

LONDON, July 12 (IranMania) - Iran's Minister of Roads and Transportation Mohammad Rahmati said that Iran and Croatia can benefit from each other's potentials in various railway, aerial and land transportation.

Speaking in a meeting with the Croatian deputy minister of economy Vladimir Vrankovich, he referred to the limited volume of mutual trade and said that the two states enjoy a high potential for raising the level of their trade and industrial transactions, according to IRNA.

He put the value of Iran's annual revenue of non-oil exports to Croatia at one million dollars and said that Iran imports about 10-million-dollar worth of products from Croatia.

Reiterating the need to expand bilateral relations in an atmosphere of peace and friendship, he hoped that the visit of Croatian delegation to Iran will pave the way for implementing the mutually signed agreements.

Turning to Croatia's experience in ship-building, he noted, "Iran has signed a 500-million-dollar agreement with South Korea to purchase vessels. Iran is a favorable market for Croatia's ship-building industry."

The minister referred to the potentials for growing economic relations between the two states in various domains including transportation, commerce, production and transit of goods and hoped that the joint cooperation commissions will implement the agreements which were signed in economic and cultural fields during President Mohammad Khatami's recent visit to Croatia.

"Since Croatian non-government sector is quite active, its collaboration with Iran's private sector will prepare the grounds for further development of trade and economic relations," he added.

Concerning the documents inked on aerial transportation, he urged that the project on establishment of Tehran-Zagreb air link should be expedited.

For his part, Vrankovich hoped that the visit of Croatian minister of economy to Tehran will help raise the current economic cooperation to an acceptable level.

"The outcome of the 9th presidential election in Iran has affected the relations of some European countries with Iran, but Croatia is determined to bolster mutual ties irrespective of the result of the recent election.

He pointed to various potentials in mutual economic relations in various grounds such as exhibition, education, research, manpower, ship-building, infrastructure, technology, engineering and tourism and noted that the two sides are in a position to further consolidate ties by making optimum use of such potentials.

"Croatia is expected to become a member of the European Union in three years, once this is materialized, broadening bilateral trade relations will still be of high priority," he concluded.

bubach_hlubach

July 13th, 2005, 05:25 AM

^ Our president Mesic should've been there! He would've offered them cool trade deals - water for oil ;) :D

Or Lj.C.R. - one km of motorway for 100 tones of oil :D

:cheers:

SinCity

July 14th, 2005, 05:30 AM

Croatian Railways to purchase 20 new Siemens RH 1216 Eurosprinter Locomotives

Its expected to have the new locomatives in operation before 2009 .....

Do 2009. novih 20 lokomotiva
HŽ drži isplativima buduća ulaganja u višesustavne lokomotive.

http://www.vjesnik.hr/html/2005/07/14/Eurospr2.jpg

ZAGREB - Hrvatske željeznice do 2009. planiraju kupnju 20 novih višesustavnih električnih lokomotiva. To je potrebno jer se vlakovi na elektrificiranim prugama ne vuku uvijek na istom sustavu napajanja. U hrvatskoj željezničkoj mreži se primjenjuje 25-kilovoltni izmjenični sustav napajanja na svim elektrificiranim prugama osim na riječkoj, od Moravica do Rijeke, na kojoj je trikilovoltni istosmjerni.

Budući da HŽ nema jednu lokomotivu koja bi mogla voziti na različitim sustavima napajanja, nego za svaki sustav ima zasebnu, uobičajeno je da pri prijelazu iz jednoga u drugi sustav napajanja vlakovi moraju promijeniti lokomotivu. Na pruzi Zagreb-Rijeka lokomotiva se mijenja u Moravicama, zbog čega vlak na kolodvoru stoji pola sata. HŽ-u su isplativa ulaganja u nove lokomotive jer zašto bi se zbog struje mijenjala lokomotiva kad se lokomotiva klikom na gumb može prilagoditi struji.

Nove višesustavne lokomotive isprva bi vukle vlakove cijelom dionicom Zagreb-Rijeka i zamijenile prastare talijanske lokomotive iz šezdesetih, koje danas voze od Moravica do Rijeke na trikilovoltnom sustavu vuče. Međutim, HŽ i na toj dionici uskoro planira uvesti izmjenični 25-kilovoltni sustav kakav se koristi na svim ostalim elektrificiranim prugama u Hrvatskoj. Kad se to napravi, cijela HŽ-ova mreža bila bi isključivo na 25-kilovoltnom strujnom sustavu. Tako ubuduće vlakove od Rijeke do Zagreba ne bi morale vući dvije lokomotive, ali ni nove višesustavne koje će se nabaviti, nego bi to mogle i stare Končarove, koje su vozile na svim elektrificiranim prugama u Hrvatskoj osim na riječkoj.

Stare »talijanke« s pruge Moravice- Rijeka prodat će se, a nove višesustavne koristit će se za međunarodni interoperabilni promet. Interoperabilnost, naime, podrazumijeva, otvaranje nacionalnih željezničkih granica za promet vlakova svim europskim prugama, prema jednakim uvjetima. Hrvatski bi vlakovi mogli voziti prugama susjednih zemalja i obratno, a plaćalo bi se korištenje infrastrukture i usluga.

Interoperabilni promet HŽ najprije planira razvijati sa slovenskim, austrijskim i mađarskim željeznicama. Jedan od preduvjeta razvoja interoperabilnosti, uz usklađivanje naših propisa s europskima, jest i prilagodba željezničke infrastrukture, a višesustavne lokomotive pritom su glavni zadatak.

Hrvatske su željeznice od 27. lipnja do 8. srpnja na riječkoj pruzi testirale dvije Siemensove višesustavne lokomotive »Eurosprinter« serije 189, koje rade na četiri sustava napajanja. Ispitane su njihove vozne i vučne sposobnosti, ali i rad s našim signalno-sigurnosnim i telekomunikacijskim uređajima. Za kupnju tih lokomotiva HŽ je ozbiljno zainteresiran, s time da bi se kupile lokomotive serije Rh 1216, koje su najnovije unaprjeđenje serije 189.

Te su lokomotive trenutačno vrh svjetske ponude višesustavnih lokomotiva, a cijena jedne je oko 3,8 milijuna eura. HŽ-u Siemens predlaže tri oblika nabave - unajmljivanje, leasing ili kupnju, nadajući se da će, nakon izgubljenih poslova s nagibnim vlakovima i tramvajima, ovaj posao s HŽ-om ipak dobiti.

No, prije raspisivanja međunarodnog natječaja HŽ ih, iako pokazuje ozbiljne namjere, ne može kupiti. Na natječaj će se sigurno javiti i domaći konzorcij predvođen Končar-električnim lokomotivama, protiv kojeg je Siemens izgubio posao sa zagrebačkim tramvajima. Končaru ovaj put na ruku ne ide to što Siemens već ima gotov proizvod, a HŽ-u se prilično žuri jer kaska za susjedima.

Tomislav Pupačić

SinCity

July 14th, 2005, 05:33 AM

Here is an image of the 20 new "Siemens RH 1216 Eurosprinter" locomotives than Croatian Railways in purchasing and is expected to have running before 2009. A model is already being teasted on the Zagreb-Rijeka line. Very nice :yes: ......

http://references.transportation.siemens.com/mediapool/W3FileView?id=458&scale=500

long foot

July 14th, 2005, 08:21 AM

U hrvatskoj željezničkoj mreži se primjenjuje 25-kilovoltni izmjenični sustav napajanja na svim elektrificiranim prugama osim na riječkoj, od Moravica do Rijeke, na kojoj je trikilovoltni istosmjerni.

Now I know why they always change locomotives in Moravice. Well, I hope they will realy buy new Siemens locomotives, I have seen them in Austria, they are very good and modern. HŽ mostly use Končar's locomotives produced in 70's an 80's. Some of them were renovated in last few years.

SinCity

July 14th, 2005, 08:29 AM

Its certainly one of the nicest looking locomotives that I have seen in ages. They are giving Siemens the deal because they missed out on the tram and passenger train contracts.

Long Foot, do you know if we are still getting Desiros?

long foot

July 14th, 2005, 08:31 AM

They didn't decide anything about Desiros yet, they are just considering this option.

SinCity

July 14th, 2005, 08:59 AM

I hope we get them too. The Siemens Desiro is a looking passenger train IMO. :yes:

bambam

July 14th, 2005, 09:28 AM

Zagrebački tramvaj hoće i Rijeka, Osijek, Melbourne...
Autor Dalibor Klobučar

Prvi od 70 niskopodnih tramvaja danas i službeno postaje pripadnik ZET-ove ergele. Nakon promotivne vožnje u 14 sati, građani će se dva sata voziti besplatno, a sutra novi tramvaj redovito vozi na liniji 12 od Ljubljanice do Dubrave. Vozači koji su testirali kompjutorizirani tramvaj – koji ima klimu i dade ga se ugoditi tako da ne “cuka” – bili su zadovoljni. No, dok još svoje o novom, hrvatskom proizvodu, nisu rekli i zagrebački putnici, već je djelo konzorcija Končar-Đuro Đaković-TŽV Gredelj postalo interesantno i čelnicima drugih hrvatskih gradova, pa i svjetskih.

– Pregovaramo s gradskim poglavarstvima Rijeke i Osijeka. Za naše su se tramvaje zainteresirali i uredi za promet Beograda, Varšave, čak i Melbournea – otkrio nam je član uprave Končara Željko Sakić. – No, svi se oni prvo žele uvjeriti da tramvaj nije sklon kvarovima. Čekat će da prvome prođe dvogodišnji garancijski rok – kaže Sakić. O kakvom bi se biznisu moglo raditi, zasad se može nazrijeti samo iz podatka da jedan takav tramvaj stoji 12 milijuna kuna. U Končaru, prvoj violini rečenog konzorcija, nadaju se da će proizvodnjom novog tramvaja ojačati i novu granu proizvodnje.

– Šezdeset posto niskopodnog tramvaja je hrvatsko, ostale smo dijelove naručivali iz inozemstva. No, s vremenom će i Končar, i Đuro Đaković i TŽV Gredelj osposobiti pogone za potpunu proizvodnju – kaže pomoćnik direktora Končara Čedomir Glavaš. – Konzorciju nije cilj, dodaje, konkurirati svjetskim tramvajskim divovima poput Siemensa i Bombardiera, već osvojiti domaće i regionalno tržište.

Isporukom prvih 70 tramvaja ZET-u, kako kaže Glavaš, konzorcij ne računa na zaradu, nego novac ulažu u otvaranje novih tvorničkih pogona i zapošljavanje novih ljudi, a kako će to odrađivati, tako će se otvarati i nova tržišta i izgledi za zaradu.

bambam

July 14th, 2005, 09:39 AM

bubach_hlubach

July 14th, 2005, 06:11 PM

POČINJE GRADNJA ŠIBENSKE PODUZETNIČKE ZONE
Europa financira Pode

ŠIBENIK – Delegacija Europske komisije raspisala je natječaj za izgradnju infrastrukture poduzetničke zone Podi u vrijednosti od 1,2 milijuna eura. Šibenska poduzetnička zona tako je postala prvi takav projekt koji se financira sredstvima programa CARDS. Rok natječaja je 12. rujna, a njime se predviđaju radovi na uređenju infrastrukture, odnosno 1,5 kilometara ceste pod kojom će biti pružene telefonske, vodovodne i sve druge inastalacije poput onih za rasvjetu i hidrante. »Usporedno s natječajem CARDS-a mi ćemo raditi na tome da se podijele parcele za buduće investitore, te pripremati natječaj za uređenje još jednog dijela infrastrukture za koji su novac, 5 milijuna kuna osigurali Ministarstvo gospodarstva i Grad Šibenik. Moram naglasiti izvrsnu suradnju s predstavnicima delegcije Europske komisije i tvrtkom za tehničku podršku kod realizacije potpore CARDS-a »Loisa Bergera«. Namjeravamo i dalje sve naše korake u izgradnji poduzetničke zone koordinirati s njima«, rekao je Jakov Terzanović direktor javnog šibenskog poduzeća Podi – Ražine. On je napomenuo da će iz sredstava CARDS programa s oko 300.000 eura biti financirano uređenje poduzetničkog inkubatora u bivšim vojnim objektima Kosa u gradskom predjelu Mandalina. »Ovaj je projekt od iznimnog značaja za Šibenik i Županiju. Gotovo sve tvrtke koje su zainteresirane za izgradnju pogona na Podima, na taj način šire svoju djelatnost, što zapravo znači nova radna mjesta. Osim toga, Grad Šibenik izravno potiče poduzetništvo u toj zoni odlukom o oslobađanju plaćanja komunalne naknade i doprinosa za prvo razdoblje poslovanja. Valja naglasiti i to da je u prostornom smislu, poduzetnička zona jedno od rijetkih mjesta na kojima je slobodan protor za građenje novih proizvodnih i drugih poslovnih objekata«, ističe Terzanović. Cijena po kojoj će Grad Šibenik, na natječaju ponuditi parcele za gradnju poslovnih objekata je 5 eura po metru četvornom, a za sada je sva potrebna dokumentacija izdana za prvu fazu izgradnje zone na 139 hektara, od ukupnih 550 hektara površine Poda.

A. ŠKORIĆ

OettingerCroat

July 14th, 2005, 07:21 PM

I hope we get them too. The Siemens Desiro is a looking passenger train IMO. :yes:

sincity, i believe HZ already bought some passenger trains from Bombardier. they also look very nice. i saw it shoot through Zapadni Kolodvor in 2004.

it reminded me one time when i was in a train about to stop at Bologna, Italy when the Red Brigades blew up the station seconds before we were about to pull in and the driver floored the train without stopping at Bologna.

one question, i heard there are plans to extend the railway from Ploce down to Dubrovnik. But are there plans to connect Ploce with Split? cause the Ploce-DBV railway would be completel useless without Split-Ploce first.

SinCity

July 15th, 2005, 02:11 AM

sincity, i believe HZ already bought some passenger trains from Bombardier. they also look very nice. i saw it shoot through Zapadni Kolodvor in 2004.

it reminded me one time when i was in a train about to stop at Mestre, Italy when the Red Brigades blew up the station seconds before we were about to pull in and the driver floored the train without stopping at mestre.

one question, i heard there are plans to extend the railway from Ploce down to Dubrovnik. But are there plans to connect Ploce with Split? cause the Ploce-DBV railway would be completel useless without Split-Ploce first.

I was wondering if they would ever do that. It would make sense to extend the rail from Split to Ploce. It would create a loop. However it would be great to extend the line from Rijeka to Split. They should build a rail corridor in conjuction with the new Adriatic - Ionian motorway link.

mic of Orion

July 17th, 2005, 04:51 AM

EU: Hrvatskoj jedinica iz gospodarstva

ZAGREB – Ministri gospodarstva i financija EU nisu oduševljeni prvim pretpristupnim ekonomskim programom Hrvatske koji im je naše Ministarstvo financija dostavilo krajem prošle godine. Među ostalim ukazuje se na to da su vanjski dug naše zemlje dodatno povećali »fiskalni te deficit na tekućem računu«.
Državna tajnica za financije Martina Dalić u Bruxellesu je, međutim, ustvrdila da je 2004. deficit vanjskog duga smanjen sa 6,7 na 4,5 posto te da je on »u 2004. rastao sporije nego u 2003«.
Iako ističe da je riječ o »pionirskom dokumentu«, Bruxelles tvrdi da je on prepun nedostataka prije svega zbog »manjka detaljnijih informacija o pojedinim fiskalnim mjerama«. Ministri gospodarstva i novčarstva EU stoga su nam savjetovali da se nastavi borba protiv trenutačnih makroekonomskih nestabilnosti: deficita Vlade, deficita na tekućem računu i vanjskog duga zemlje i »preostalih duboko ukorijenjenih strukturalnih problema«. Kao pozitivno se, pak, ističe da je u zadnje dvije godine Hrvatska imala jak rast, nisku stopu inflacije i stabilan tečaj.

One serious problem in Croatia is legal legislation, corruption and bureaucratic legislation stumbling any serious investment in to the country.

Although I think Croats are to much pre-occupied with history and war criminals, Hague and to little about there country and forward thinking , backward attitudes and very slow learning from mistakes..

Fair enough they have build motorways and infrastructure is on pair with that of most EU developed countries, this would only benefit the country and GDP growth as it opens the country up, but when it comes to legal framework and legislation, I think Croatia is still lacking, well still in construction stages...

This year Croatia will attract around 500 million US$ in Greenfield investments opening about 10 000 new jobs and securing about 20 000 contractual jobs, whilst in example Slovakia 50 000 new jobs where crated and secured another 100 000, unemployment in Slovakia fell from 21.2% to 15.5% in les than 18 months.

Czech Republic example, they have Agency (Czech-Invest) which actually helps foreign investors and gives them advice helps them with bureaucratic problems and paperwork's, gives them tax brakes, in Croatia they just thinking organising such Agency, wtf, it took them so long????????

Land books in Croatia are nightmare, I tried to but Land and invest at least £100 000+ I had nightmare in finding out that the land offered was actually not owned by person selling it!!!

There are so many problems in Croatia atm I would consider major reforms in terms of legislation and judicial and law reforms which would ensure more just and proper manner in which open government operates...

Croatia this year will have good growth figures despite what most media in Croatia say and some economist in Croatia, I often gave up on there predictions as they are constantly wrong, often make figures as they go, it makes me think where did they get their economic degrees, and yes I do question this as they are wrong so often I doubt there education and qualification, I bet if they re-took exams here in UK or US, they would all fail miserably...

GDP calculation from year to year they guess and get it wrong, as they always calculate negative none contributory effects on GDP and economy, who ever thought them economics failed to teach them, government investment and spending have no role on GDP figures...

This are just example I want to openly mention here, but if person in Croatia can ascertain education by paying certain professor 5000 Euros or he/she is from privileged background can mingle here way through the education system without actually having a clue and than call him/her self a doctor, I think there is something rotten in state of Denmark...

Judicial and political reforms are required which would make this kind of issues never happened, where government is accountable to its population and not to its pockets.

Sorry to go on, sometimes I get angry with all this corruption and I just get very pist off, I can ce how some here use synonym Siroki Brijeg, I understand the meaning now in full, no better description for it...

I start to think all Herzegovina Lobby in Zagreb should be deported back to Bosnia and never be allowed back to ruin and set back country with their backward ideology and corruption they are so famed for...

PS, I predict GDP growth this year of 3.8% might be higher at 4%... Keep fingers crossed, lol...

2005 GDP - 225Bn Kuna, = 38.5Billion US$ = 8550 US$ for 2005.....

My previous prediction of 40 Billion US$ changed cose of conversion and exchange rate changed in recent months....

OettingerCroat

July 17th, 2005, 07:33 AM

CIA says in 2004 GDP hit $50.33 billion USD with growth of 3.7%, leading to a PPP of $11,200. and in the first half of 2005 growth was at an alarmingly low 1.8%. The tourism explosion and the X-mas season ought to help bring it to the bare minimum of 3% growth.

bubach_hlubach

July 17th, 2005, 07:51 AM

long foot

July 17th, 2005, 09:28 AM

New ferry-boat for Jadrolinija built in Kraljevica shipyard :)

87,6m x 17,5m
8,2 mill €
1200 pasangers
130 cars

I was trying to find more info on Kraljevica Shipyard's site, but it was waste of time, site is misery:
http://www.kraljevica.hb.hr/shipyard.htm

Article from www.novilist.hr

U BRODOGRADILIŠTU KRALJEVICA JUČER »JADROLINIJI« PREDAN DOSAD NAJVEĆI TRAJEKT IZGRAĐEN U NEKOM HRVATSKOM BRODOGRADILIŠTU

»Marjan« zaplovio prema Splitu

Brod »Marjan« dug je 87,6, širok 17,5 metara, dubina gaza je 2,4 metra te razvija brzinu od 12,3 čvora. Predsjednik Uprave »Jadrolinije« Slavko Lončar naglasio je kako je ovo već četvrta novogradnja Jadrolinije u zadnje dvije godine, dok je »Marjan« ocijenio kao najsuvremeniji trajekt ne samo na Jadranu, već i cijelom Mediteranu

KRALJEVICA – Trajekt »Marjan«, kapaciteta 1.200 putnika i 130 automobila, vrijedan 8,2 milijuna eura jučer je u Brodogradilištu Kraljevica predan »Jadroliniji« u čijoj će floti već idućeg tjedna povezivati Split i Supetar. Riječ je o najvećem trajektu koji je ikada izgrađen u nekom hrvatskom brodogradilištu za bilo kojeg hrvatskog putničkog brodara. »Marjan« je 55. brod u floti »Jadrolinije« čija prosječna starost sada iznosi oko 20 godina. Ujedno je riječ o najmodernijem i najkomfornijem trajektu najvećeg hrvatskog putničkog brodara, koji je opremljen klimatiziranim salonom u kojem se može smjestiti oko 800 putnika, hidrauličnim rampama koje omogućavaju ukrcaj i iskrcaj vozila u tri kolone te pokretnim stepenicama za iskrcaj putnika. Izgrađen je u roku od 10,5 mjeseci, a opremljen u rekordnom roku od 88 dana. Brod je dug 87,6, širok 17,5 metara, dubina gaza je 2,4 metra te razvija brzinu od 12,3 čvora.

Šeksu kompas

Kum »Marjana« bio je predsjednik hrvatskog Sabora Vladimir Šeks, koji je tom prilikom podsjetio na niz zakonskih akata koje je Hrvatska primijenila i koja će usvojiti kako bi se i dalje omogućio sustavni razvoj na temelju pomorske orijentacije države. Poželjevši novom trajektu sretnu i mirnu plovidbu, Šeks je naglasio kako će »Marjan« postati ponos Splita. Dodao je kako će mu prigodni pokloni među kojima se našao kompas i drugi uređaji za pomorsku navigaciju, dobro doći i u Saboru, a nakon obilaska broda tijekog kojeg je prošao i kratki tečaj plovidbe u društvu zapovjednika broda »Marjan«, kap. Milana Klarina, Šeks je kazao da bi mu tako moderne komande kakve se nalaze na mostu »Marjana« dobro poslužile i u Saboru.
– Mi u Vladi smo svjesni činjenice da imamo 6.000 kilometara obale i 1.000 otoka koje moramo povezivati i razvijati. Zato i podupiremo obnovu flote »Jadrolinije« sa 20 posto subvencija u programu gradnje domaćih brodova u domaćim brodogradilištima i do 2008. godine dobit ćemo 10 novih brodova, rekao je ministar mora Božidar Kalmeta, najavivši kako se subvencijama podržava i gradnja hrvatske trgovačke flote, čiji je kapacitet ove godine povećan za 115.000 tona.
Uz 30 posto državne subvencije uskoro će se ugovoriti i gradnja hrvatskih ribarskih brodova za 28 naručitelja, a počet će i realizacija programa gradnje izletničkih brodova, najavio je Kalmeta. Predsjednik Uprave »Jadrolinije« Slavko Lončar naglasio je kako je ovo već četvrta novogradnja Jadrolinije u zadnje dvije godine, dok je »Marjan« ocijenio kao najsuvremeniji trajekt ne samo na Jadranu, već i cijelom Mediteranu.

Evakuacijski kapaciteti

– Ove godine planiramo prevesti 8,5 milijuna putnika i 2,5 milijuna vozila, a kapacitet naše flote sada je takav da odjednom možemo ukrcati 26.000 putnika i 3.300 vozila, što je dovoljno za evakuaciju jednoga grada, primjerice Šibenika, kazao je Lončar. Direktor Brodogradilišta Kraljevica Ivica Šegulja kazao je kako je ovaj najstariji hrvatski škver ponovo dokazao znanje i iskustvo u novogradnjama. »Marjan« je blagoslovio riječki nadbiskup msgr. dr. Ivan Devčić, koji je s ponosom naglasio da se i na »Marjanu« nalaze slike pape Ivana Pavla II., koji se vozio brodom »Judita« i time ukazao čast »Jadroliniji« kojom se ne može pohvaliti niti jedan drugi putnički brodar na svijetu.

Darko PAJIĆ

mic of Orion

July 17th, 2005, 12:45 PM

@Mike - nominal GDP in 2004 was around 38 billion dollars.
(in 2004 our external debt was 30 billion USD - 79% of GDP)

@OettingerCroat - 1.8% growth happened in the first three months this year, not the first half of 2005.

Actually GDP in 2004 was 34.5 Billion US$, and in 2005 it is expected to hit about 38Billion US$.

CIA data is false and it represents only Purchasing Power Parity they measure one country’s performance and even on this they are wrong, Croatian GDP on PPP estimate is not 11200 but 13400US$, it all depends which exchange rate they used to get to this data, if they used 2001 as a base year than yes. Croatian GDP would be about 11200, but if they use today 2004 or 2005 indicator and exchange as it normally is done, than Croatian GDP is 13400US$.

I’ll just tell you CIA is bad source to quote lately on anything, they can’t get anything right, they are bunch of twats and propaganda BS machine with little brains…

OettingerCroat

July 17th, 2005, 05:28 PM

hey i never really believed it... it was just a very easy-to-access information source :lol:

thank you for the correction bubach.... i heard something about 1.8% GDP growth when i was in Croatia a few weeks ago

OettingerCroat

July 17th, 2005, 05:41 PM

I was wondering if they would ever do that. It would make sense to extend the rail from Split to Ploce. It would create a loop. However it would be great to extend the line from Rijeka to Split. They should build a rail corridor in conjuction with the new Adriatic - Ionian motorway link.

to extend the railway from rijeka to split, you mean basically to follow the same path as the upcoming highway from Rijeka to Zuta Lokva? boy, that TRULLY would be a good idea.

Croatia has made its world-class highways, now it ought to retrofit its railways. you know how many college students would be flocking to places like Split or Dubrovnik? it would be complete insanity.

dadekhr

July 18th, 2005, 12:04 AM

Hello everybody!!! These pics are screenshots from Z1 TV:

DALMATINA

PART II

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8360/dalmatinaareal001web6ja.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

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And finally Split:

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bubach_hlubach

July 18th, 2005, 03:10 AM

^^^ :eek2:
That's one great post again, Dadek, you are awesome!!! :)
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

SinCity

July 18th, 2005, 03:23 AM

I agree too. Great collection of A1 motorway pics Dadekhr! Its nice to see some aerial shots of the "Dalmatina". :cheers:

Anyway, I heard that out neighbours the Slovenes, yesterday officially opened their new complete motorway linking Ljubljana with Maribor (capital with second largest Slovene city). Now people can travel in full via motorway from Maribor to Koper on the coast via Ljubljana. The Slovenes are expected to spend more money next year than ever before on new motorways. Pozdrav Slovencima. :)

Slovenija: Otvara se autocesta. (http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/economics/334305/index.do)

bubach_hlubach

July 18th, 2005, 03:51 AM

17.07.2005 17:07

U TEKSAŠKOM GRADIĆU MCKINNEYU USKORO POČINJE GRADNJA ZANIMLJIVA PROJEKTA

Hrvatski gradić u srcu Amerike

Autor Renata DEBELJAK

DUBROVNIK - U teksaškom gradu McKinneyu uskoro će početi gradnja hrvatskog gradića "Adriatica", što je projekt američke kompanije Blackard Group, a izvorno hrvatsko selo nalazit će se uz obale jezera Stonebridge na 18 hektara.
Projekt financijski težak 200 milijuna američkih dolara ostvarenje je višegodišnjeg istraživanja dalmatinske arhitekture Jefforyja Blackarda, predsjednika kompanije Blackard Group, koji je zadivljen hrvatskom obalom i smatra je jednom od najljepših na svijetu.

Na jučerašnjem predstavljanju projekta u dubrovačkom hotelu Dubrovnik Palace rečeno je kako je skupina američkih arhitekata, inžinjera, stručnjaka za kamen, graditelja, kipara i drugih već mnogo puta posjetila Hrvatsku radi proučavanja lokalne arhitekture kako bi u Teksasu sagradili što vjerodostojniji hrvatski gradić.

- Prva zgrada, čija gradnja počinje u sljedećih mjesec dana, uredski je prostor jedne od najvećih američkih agencija za prodaju nekretnina Keller-Williams Realty, a podsjećat će na dvorac, dok će njezin okoliš krasiti vinogradi - kazao je J. Blackard.

"Adriatica" će se graditi pet godina, a na obronku jezera nalazit će se 74 vile, koje će stajati između 250.000 i milijun dolara, a u središtu gradića bit će čak i riva u dalmatinskom stilu. Gradnjom hrvatskog sela velika se pozornost želi posvetiti promidžbi Hrvatske i njezinih proizvoda u SAD-u pa će se tako u teksaškoj "Adriatici" u lokalnim restoranima posluživati hrvatska vina, a u trgovinama će se prodavati autohtoni hrvatski proizvodi.

- Želimo da Hrvatska u Teksasu bude zastupljena svojom kulturom, duhovnim vrijednostima i jedinstvenim običajima - objašnjava Blackard. Trenutačno se iz Hrvatske naručuju zvona koja će krasiti toranj ureda investitora projekta, a pregovara se i o uvozu bračkoga kamena za gradnju kapelice na jezerskom otočiću.

Nedavno je grad McKinney posjetio i zamjenik hrvatskog veleposlanika u SAD-u Marijan Gubić, a u povodu njegova posjeta gradonačelnik McKinneya Bill Whitfield M. Gubiću predao je proklamaciju o proglašenju 7. srpnja Danom Hrvatske u tom teksaškom gradiću.

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/regions/slavonija/334710/index.do

;)

:cheers:

SinCity

July 18th, 2005, 04:11 AM

WOW thats truely amazing. A bit of Dalmatia in Texas. :eek:

SinCity

July 18th, 2005, 04:45 AM

16.07.2005 21:34

TURIZAM: Strani su se novinari ovoga ljeta raspisali o Hrvatskoj kao zemlji zapanjujuće lijepih suprotnosti, očaravajuće čistog mora te – jeftinijoj od Italije
Hrvatski otoci – svjetski hit :D
Autor Valentina Junaci

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/050716/hrv-otok-txt.jpg

Zaplakat ćete kad ga vidite. Ponesite papirnate rupčiće. Trebat će vam, piše jučer New York Times. Lavanda, more i starina Hvara ganule su tako američkog novinara, čiju je reportažu s Hvara, Dubrovnika i njegove okolice jučer objavio ugledni New York Times.
A da su "otoci hrvatskoga juga trenutačno top-odredište u svijetu", u svojem kolovoškom izdanju objavljuje američki časopis Travel and leisure. Njihova je autora, pak, zapanjio arhitektonski eklekticizam, a hvali pršut, paški sir, komiške škampe, korčulanski grk i hladno ožujsko...

Amerikancima preporučuje bolski Zlatni rat za najbolje kupanje, a Hvar za najbolji, glamurozan provod. I, kao da u šoku trlja oči što tamo "viđa bajne jahte", divi se "djevojkama u bikinijima Michaela Korsa", uz koje hodaju "muškarci u Guccijevim sandalama".

Strani su se novinari raspisali o Hrvatskoj, privlačnoj zemlji zapanjujućih suprotnosti, jeftinijoj od razvikane Italije, čišćega mora od ostalih sredozemnih konkurenata...

Gotovo sav relevantan svjetski tisak svojim čitateljima za ljeto 2005. sugerira Hrvatsku preporuka je više no proteklih godina. I američki je In Style magazin što ga gutaju dame Hrvatsku uvrstio među sedam najprivlačnijih ovoljetnih odredišta.

Ponos zbog te poplave tiskanih ili TV preporuka ne kriju u Hrvatskoj turističkoj zajednici, koja na tom polju odrađuje naporan posao. Organiziraju studijska putovanja za novinare, pokazuju im najbolje što nudimo pa dobar tekst postaje još boljom reklamom. Jer, objašnjava Slavija Jačan-Obratov, voditeljica Službe za komunikacije i izdavaštvo HTZ-a, stranci svojim novinarima vjeruju.

Kad smo devedesetih počinjali sa studijskim turama, morali smo pozivati novinare, a danas je zanimanje toliko da svi zainteresirani i ne dođu na red. Lani je Hrvatsku posjetilo oko 800 stranih novinara iz 24 zemlje. Prvih šest mjeseci ove godine, pak, posjetilo nas je 400 novinara ističe S. Jačan-Obratov.

HTZ je računao i koliko vrijede objavljeni tekstovi lani su oni imali tržišnu vrijednost 737,159.644,000 kuna, od kojih 402 milijuna odlazi na tekstove u novinama, a ostatak na radijske i TV radove. Stranih su se novinara najviše dojmili Dubrovnik, Opatija, dalmatinski otoci, među kojima prednjače Hvar, Vis, Brač i Pag, te Istra.

Britanci, koji su 70-ih i 80-ih godina najviše pohodili upravo Dalmaciju, prednjače brojem napisa. Britanski Sunday Times, s nakladom od 900.000 primjeraka, na tri je stranice nedavno nahvalio Istru i Pelješac, a piše i da je vilu na našoj obali "puno lakše unajmiti nego u Italiji, Španjolskoj ili Francuskoj" te da su cijene privatnog smještaja "ekstremno niske".

"Prednost Hrvatske pred sredozmenom konkurencijom je i čista priroda", piše Sunday Times. I sveučilište Yale Hrvatsku je stavilo na visoko 12. mjesto u svijetu po očuvanosti prirode.

Britanski OK Magazin svoje čitatelje zove na Kvarner, prepričava da su ljepote Hrvatske već iskusili i slavni filmaši Steven Spielberg, Tom Cruise te manekenke Naomi Campbell i Eva Herzigova. Sunday Mail oduševljen je "elegantnom" Opatijom, koju naziva "slatka kriška Beča na moru", a mondena Grazia Istru zove "novom Toskanom".

"Stresa se riješite na Brijunima", poslovnoj eliti koja čita European Business Magazine preporučuju britanski novinar. Za najbolju hranu i ruralni turizam britanski novinari preporučaju Istru i Komižu, zadivljeni njezinom ribarskom tradicijom, dok Guardian hvali cijeli otok Vis kao idealno eno-gastro odredište.

Metro London mladim, boljestojećim Britancima sugerira neka odu u klub Papayju na Pagu, gdje su odlični partiji na plaži. Irci, koji su najbolji izvanpansionski potrošači u Europi, u Sunday Tribuneu Dubrovnik svrstavaju među ovoljetne top-destinacije, uz London, Bolognu, Pariz i Amsterdam.

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/news/croatia/334325/index.do

OettingerCroat

July 18th, 2005, 06:06 AM

Anyway, I heard that out neighbours the Slovenes, yesterday officially opened their new complete motorway linking Ljubljana with Maribor (capital with second largest Slovene city). Now people can travel in full via motorway from Maribor to Koper on the coast via Ljubljana. The Slovenes are expected to spend more money next year than ever before on new motorways. Pozdrav Slovencima. :)

the slovenes have effectively linked all of the cities that are straegically important to them. motorways that would provide easier access to Croatia are being built at a snails pace, and the snail is 25 years old and run over by 5 cars.

for example, they currently have NO plans to connect our motorway at Rupa (border crossing directly above Rijeka) with theirs, to provide a direct link between Trieste and Rijeka, and lead to that Adriatic-Ionian corridor.

Also, they haven't even begun construction to link Maribor to the Macelj border crossing, whose road leads through Cakovec, Varazdin, and then through Zagreb onto the new Zagreb-Split motorway.

i say, foreign troops will leave Kosovo before we even see the construction of those two extremely vital stretches of motorways commence.

so sincity, i appreciate your diplomatic approach to the situation, but the slovenes wouldn't build anything to help us out.

bubach_hlubach

July 18th, 2005, 06:17 AM

WOW thats truely amazing. A bit of Dalmatia in Texas. :eek:

lol, this guy is truly obsessed with Croatian coast. He wanna build Croatian town and village near Dallas in Texas. Check out his company's website at :
http://blackardgroup.com
pretty cool, huh? :)

bubach_hlubach

July 18th, 2005, 06:26 AM

the slovenes have effectively linked all of the cities that are straegically important to them. motorways that would provide easier access to Croatia are being built at a snails pace, and the snail is 25 years old and run over by 5 cars.

for example, they currently have NO plans to connect our motorway at Rupa (border crossing directly above Rijeka) with theirs, to provide a direct link between Trieste and Rijeka, and lead to that Adriatic-Ionian corridor.

Also, they haven't even begun construction to link Maribor to the Macelj border crossing, whose road leads through Cakovec, Varazdin, and then through Zagreb onto the new Zagreb-Split motorway.

i say, foreign troops will leave Kosovo before we even see the construction of those two extremely vital stretches of motorways commence.

so sincity, i appreciate your diplomatic approach to the situation, but the slovenes wouldn't build anything to help us out.

I dont understand why would Slovenes even want to help us out? Are there any countries that we are helping to ? NO! :D Every country does what it thinks it's best for itself and its interests.
Anyhow, Slovenia will start to build motorway to connect Maribor and Macelj in 2008 which is a good thing, comparing to their old plannes - 2014. EU has pushed Slovenia to do so ;) :D

:cheers:

SinCity

July 18th, 2005, 07:59 AM

bubach_hlubach

July 18th, 2005, 08:37 AM

Are you hinting at that infamous road to "nowhere" known as the Zagreb-Lipovac motorway or as these days known as the Zagreb-Slavonski Brod motorway???? :D

The Slovenes will build the connecting motorway segments in their own time. It all comes down to priorities just like we too have our own. Anyway our motorways are a roaring success with or without the feeder roads coming from Slovenia. In time they will have more to gain linking their motorways to Croatian ones than by not doing it.

All in good time, all in good time. :yes:

"Zagreb-Lipovac" is a very important motorway, it leads right us into the Balkans :D

Speaking of (non)existing motorways in Slovenia to Croatian border, i like it the way it is now! No motorways, no tolls - Slovenia, foreign tourists will be able to afford more money to pay and enjoy our beautiful Dalmatina. Once Slovenia links Maribor to Macelj, tolls on the Dalmatina should go down, because the tourists will get sick of paying high tolls in both countries. :D

:cheers:

SinCity

July 18th, 2005, 08:50 AM

I remember my first drive in and around Zagreb on the motorways and seeing these large important signs to "Lipovac" thinking that we had some huge important city in the east ... it wasnt until much, much later that I realised what was hidden underneath. :D

bubach_hlubach

July 18th, 2005, 09:25 AM

^ The whole Lipovac situation was quite enigmatic, wasnt it ? :D

mic of Orion

July 18th, 2005, 11:54 AM

^ The whole Lipovac situation was quite enigmatic, wasnt it ? :D

Actually they plan to complete last section of motorway from S. Brod (Zupanja) to Border with Serbia by the end of 2008, it wasn't a priority because little traffic due to the great likings between the 2 ppl's. Slovenes are barely finishing their motorway linking Maribor with Koper, some 10 kilometres still left to do. Than, motorway connecting Ljubljana with Zagreb might start a construction, but at very slow pace, as rest of motorways have been in Slovenia, they are financed from their Budget with little or no credits, as a result it is very slow and expensive, where's in Croatian example - Zagreb Split Motorway was constructed for say 2 billion US$ or about 5.5 million US$ per kilometre in Slovenia this sometimes costs up to 8 million or even 10 million $... Zagreb Split motorway could have been cheaper if HDZ let local construction firms do the job instead of Bechtel... Bechtel overpriced the project and tried to rip off the state after it completed it by blackmailing the country for another terrace of 95 kilometres planed from Split to Ploce, They said it was promised to them, didn't anyone told them Croatia is Democratic country, motorways are constructed through pubic tenders not as before under Tudjman and nobody can promise them anything, not anymore, it is not how things are done in Croatia, wee all know how they are done in Texas, but Croatia is no Texas... lol....

As you probably all remember EU Commission intervened when Bechtel tried to blackmail some junior minister in Croatian Government, as a result of this escape Bechtel is no more welcomed in Croatia, and there reputation has suffered as a result, as if Iraq war, and corruption in USA is not enough...

For those unfamiliar Bechtel is part of Halliburton Corporation and this company and Bechtel have been found to basically steal money from US government all all array of contracts for US army and general civilian contracts in Iraq....
Cose of there connection with President Bush and vice-president Chaney they are immune from prosecution, there is whole raft of evil-doings at Halliburton (I am using Bush's terms, lol) and nobody has invaded them yet, not even the FBI or Financial authorities to ce there books and operations...

long foot

July 18th, 2005, 11:56 AM

OettingerCroat

July 18th, 2005, 06:48 PM

I dont understand why would Slovenes even want to help us out? Are there any countries that we are helping to ? NO! :D Every country does what it thinks it's best for itself and its interests.
Anyhow, Slovenia will start to build motorway to connect Maribor and Macelj in 2008 which is a good thing, comparing to their old plannes - 2014. EU has pushed Slovenia to do so ;) :D

:cheers:

croatia tried to help Bosnia out by sending a Croatian company to build their motorways for them. You know, that 5c corridor. Instead, Izetbegovic chose a Malaysia-based firm from Kuala Lumpur "koji nije mrdnuo prstom otkad su ga izabrali." Also, except to Montenegro and Bosnia, which both have 0 km of motorways, Croatia has connected the borders of all of its neighbooring countries with motorways.

i'm not saying Slovenia should help us out by building motorways to connect to Rupa and Macelj, but they shouldn't intentionally try to squander us by not building motorways, which is exactly what they're trying to do.

They know that by buildings motorways to the Croatian border, people will spend even less time in their tiny, diminutive country. So then they say, "koga briga za vas Hrvate."

They're so short-sighted that they don't realize that they'd be helping themselves by building motorways to our borders. If they had full motorways, Germans and Scandinavians would take the quicker path to Croatia.

They'd go from Salzburg down across the Alps to Jesenice by the Triglav mountain in Northern Slovenia. From there, they'd go across Ljubljana, through Krsko, across the Bregana border crossing and from there would be 20 km from the Zagreb-Split motorway. This Slovenian motorway (Jesenice-Krsko) is currently completely chopped up and further construction has been pushed until after 2008.

Right now, Germans take the long route, through the Bavarian Alps into Innsbruck, across the Brenner Pass into Italy, down to Trieste, and then spend only 15 km down by Slovenia's "immense" coastline until they arive in Istria on the "Istarski Y."

Plus, Greeks wouldn't have to take the long route through Hungary to get to Western Europe if they built Maribor-Macelj.

so bubach, by building these additional motorways promptly, they WOULD be acting out of self-interest. ;) The Slovenians simply do not like us, and are trying to quell our superior economic and tourism might in the region.

OettingerCroat

July 18th, 2005, 07:00 PM

Actually they plan to complete last section of motorway from S. Brod (Zupanja) to Border with Serbia by the end of 2008, it wasn't a priority because little traffic due to the great likings between the 2 ppl's.

mike, Hrvatske Autoceste website doesnt mention the planned opening date of that last stretch towards Lipovac, but I've always believed this part would be completed at the end of the year, alongside the Krapina-Macel stretch. And a roadmap I bought two weeks ago says it will be completed sometime in the year 2005.

sorry if it seems like im yelling at everyone, i wasn't trying to ;) :colgate: just offering a different perspective

long foot

July 18th, 2005, 07:54 PM

so bubach, by building these additional motorways promptly, they WOULD be acting out of self-interest. ;) The Slovenians simply do not like us, and are trying to quell our superior economic and tourism might in the region.

Yes, they dont like us. They simply cant stand the fact that people from Germany, Austria etc use few kilometers of land only to come to Croatia ;) and the worst thing is that those tourists mostly don't spend any money in Slovenia :D

bubach_hlubach

July 18th, 2005, 09:28 PM

mic of Orion

July 18th, 2005, 09:43 PM

That highway is mostly used by Turks and Bulgarians ;)

lol, than it will be finished in 2080, lol :hilarious :hilarious :hilarious :hilarious

mic of Orion

July 18th, 2005, 09:46 PM

lol, I love Slovenia, I love the Country, ppl and beauty, every time I'm in Slovenia I spend loads of my money...

Last time I was in Slovenia, (in 2000) I spent in all over 500US$ for my 2 weeks stay, (my accommodation was free, transport was free, food was free, lol) had hard time spending my money on anything other than bear and fun...

bubach_hlubach

July 18th, 2005, 10:16 PM

SKUP »AUTO-CESTA, NOVI ASPEKTI RAZVOJA LIČKO-SENJSKE ŽUPANIJE« OKUPIO DRŽAVNI VRH
Autocesta već donijela ulaganja u gospodarstvo

Perspektiva je u razvoju turizma i gospodarstva, za što je važna cestovna infrastruktura, pa je tom prilikom i otvorena novoasfaltirana planinska cesta Trnovac – Jadovno

GOSPIĆ – »Auto-cesta, novi aspekti razvoja Ličko-senjske županije« sastanak je koji je ovoga vikenda inicirao potpredsjednik Hrvatskog sabora dr. Darko Milinović. Na njegov poziv u Gospić su stigli svi ministri koji su se nalazili u Hrvatskoj, državni tajnici, ravnatelji javnih poduzeća i ustanova. Potporu ovome skupu dali su brzojavima premijer dr. Ivo Sanader i predsjednik Hrvatskog sabora Vladimir Šeks.
– Ovo je naš problem, ali i jedna prednost, rekao je župan Milan Jurković. Unatrag četiri godine učinjeno je jako puno, najviše zahvaljujući kvalitetnim projektima, ali i razumijevanju Vlade. Jedna od najvećih prednosti autoceste je razbijanje predrasuda o izoliranosti Like. Čim bi pala prva pahulja snijega u Zagrebu, u Liku je putovao samo onaj koji je morao. O Lici se više ne govori kao o negostoljubivom kršu, nego kao o dragulju koji se tek treba otkriti. Prema podacima Državnog zavoda za statistiku Lika je sedma po redu po bruto-društvenom proizvodu. Dakle, cesta je već polučila napredak i novu ekspanziju tek treba očekivati, rekao je župan Milan Jurković.
Nekolicina ministara poput Berislava Rončevića, dr. Nevena Ljubičića i Ivice Krina kraćim su se govorima osvrnuli na stanje na terenu iz kuta gledanja svojih resora. Slično je govorio i predsjednik Gospodarsko-socijalnog vijeća Ivica Mudrinić, dok je Anton Kovačević, predsjednik Uprave Hrvatske banke za obnovu i razvoj iznio neke podatke dosad nepoznate široj javnosti.

Ulaganja u gospodarstvo

Posebno što se tiče 460 milijuna kuna uloženih u gospodarstvo, što su s obzirom na broj stanovnika velika sredstva. Osim toga u Gospiću će se do konca mjeseca otvoriti ured HBOR-a. Tijekom izlaganja Kovačević je predstavio dio projekta za razvitak govedarske proizvodnje i višegodišnje nasade, što se ostvaruje uz pomoć Ministarstva poljoprivrede. Ministrica vanjskih poslova i europskih integracija Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović rezimirala je tijek dosadašnjih aktivnosti hrvatske diplomacije u pregovorima s predstavnicima EU i iznijela osnovne standarde koji nas očekuju ulaskom u europske integracije. Tijekom izlaganja naglasila je potrebu promjene mentaliteta i prihvaćanja pravila ponašanja, pri čemu se neće mijenjati neki tradicijski poslovi i zanati poput kolinja, priprema žestokih pića, mliječnih prerađevina i sl. Ministrica Marina Matulović Dropulić je kroz stručnu prizmu uzroka i posljedica predočila što autocesta donosi jednom području. Govoreći o iskustvima drugih, ministrica Dropulić nije dvojila da promjene i boljitak moraju doći, ali se ništa od toga ne događa preko noći i bez novih ulaganja i kvalitetnih projekata. Plasman proizvoda smatra i dalje jednim od krucijalnih problema manjih sredina. Slijedom tuđih iskustava i prakse izrazila je nadu da će se ukupna ekspanzija nastaviti, što će uz mnoge prednosti donijeti i povećanje cijena nekretnina i zemljišta.

Razvoj poljoprivrede i turizma

O viziji razvoja Ličko-senjske županije govorio je i ministar poljoprivrede, šumarstva i vodnog gospodarstva Petar Čobanković koji je vidi kao područje razvijenog turizma i poljoprivredne proizvodnje, gdje bi se ubrzo moglo uvidjeti kako kvalitetni projekti i svrsishodna ulaganja polučuju dobre rezultate. Slične najave dao je ministar Ivan Šuker. On autocestu vidi kao motor razvoja, unatoč slaboj naseljenosti Like i problemima stečenim ratnim razaranjima. Nukleus razvoja Šuker vidi u dobro organiziranoj lokalnoj vlasti koja je, kako je rekao, u Ličko-senjskoj županiji već dokazala svoje kvalitete.
– Ova Vlada ima viziju i, suprotno tvrdnjama nekih, ne radi bez plana, ne improvizira, ustvrdio je ministar gospodarstva Branko Vukelić. Autocesta će samo dodatno poduprijeti nastavak ulaganja. Onima koji misle da se ne može bolje proturiječi upravo ova Županija jer je zajedno s Vladom, s gradovima i općinama, ostvarila zavidne rezultate. S autocestom to može biti samo bolje i brže, zaključio je ministar Vukelić. Potpredsjednik Hrvatskog sabora dr. Darko Milinović bio je tijekom govora prekidan burnim pljeskom.

Asfaltirana planinska cesta

– Bez obzira na boju političkog dresa, uvažavamo svačije mišljenje, razvoj se nastavlja ravnomjerno, nema boljih ili lošijih. Ova autocesta samo je potencijal koji će nam pomoći da uspijemo u toj nakani. Hvala svima koji su nam došli pomoći i saslušati nas. Mi smo ovdje čuli puno dobrih ideja, načina da se Ličko-senjska županija dalje razvija. Ova prepuna dvorana jamstvo je da ćemo u tome i uspjeti, zaključio je dr. Darko Milinović i pozvao sve izbjeglice koji se nisu ogriješili o zakone RH da se vrate svojim domovima.
Jednako živa aktivnost se nakon sastanka očitovala i tijekom obilaska Gospića i Velebita, gdje su načelnici općina, gradonačelnici, poduzetnici i predstavnici javnih poduzeća razgovarali o mogućnostima razvoja i novih ulaganja. Razvoj turizma na širem području Velebita, te nastojanja Županije da se taj oblik gospodarstva intenzivira, upravo je dobio potvrdu asfaltiranjem ceste Trnovac – Jadovno. U planinskom selu Jadovno donedavno je živjelo oko 150 stanovnika, ali je slaba prometna povezanost rezultirala sukcesivnim iseljavanjem pa u tome mjestu danas živi četvero staraca. Jedan od njih, osamdesetogodišnji Bariša Novačić zajedno je s dr. Milinovićem, gradonačelnikom Milanom Kolićem i vlč. Josipom Kapšom, prerezao vrpcu i proglasio 4,5 kilometara dugu cestu otvorenom.
Marin SMOLČIĆ
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Licko-Senjska zupanija (county) is ranked 7th by GDP from total of 21 Croatian counties! :eek: weird
I still think it was a typo, maybe they thought the county was on 17th place. lol geeez

:cheers:

long foot

July 18th, 2005, 10:31 PM

lol, guys, i think you should stop badmouthing Slovenia and its citizens. Although, it is true that sometimes they suffer from a complex of small nation and small country, so it is kinda funny to hear them barking lol. :D
On the other hand, relations between Slovenes and Croats are not nearly as bad as you think that they are, as a matter of fact they are pretty good. It's just stupid politics and stubborness that sometimes divide people, but people forget it quite fast, anyway.

Almost half of Slovenian population is spending vacation in Croatia; do you people still believe they dont like us ???
I've never heard that anybody goes to have a vacation in unloved country.

:)

:cheers:

Of course, these Croatian-Slovenians stories are just a joke ;) I often use to say that Slovenes are best neighboars we ever had. Of all neighboaring nations and countries we never had any war only with them, and opposite, of all their neighbouring nations, they never had a war only with us. We should respect that fact.

OettingerCroat

July 18th, 2005, 11:26 PM

Almost half of Slovenian population is spending vacation in Croatia; do you people still believe they dont like us ???
I've never heard that anybody goes to have a vacation in unloved country.

Slovenes come to croatia because they're full of money and their own coastline isn't even big enough to handle a fishing boat without poking into foreign waters.

I was reading the Slovenian teletext thing in the morning when I was in Croatian Istria 3 weeks ago, and they wrote the following:

Avtocesta Zagreb-Split je najdražja Evropska Avtocesta

for all of you who are lucky enough NOT to speak Slovenian, this translated into Croatian means:

Autocesta Zagreb-Split je najskuplja Europska Autocesta

but they all have the nerve to tear the motorway up at 200km/h!

Nobody who likes you can enjoy what you offer them, and then turn around and stab you in the back like this! but who cares, they can hate countries that are dominant compared to them, as long as they know that there are Europe's 3RD SMALLEST COUNTRY!

ive been askin myself, how the hell did they get into NATO WITHOUT HAVING A SINGLE JET IN THEIR AIR FORCE?!?!?! Then I realized, by the time they start the jet's engines up, they've left Slovenian Airspace!

no, they don't like us. They envy us with all their mind. They come to Croatia to get what their speck country can't offer.

OettingerCroat

July 18th, 2005, 11:42 PM

Of course, these Croatian-Slovenians stories are just a joke ;) I often use to say that Slovenes are best neighboars we ever had. Of all neighboaring nations and countries we never had any war only with them, and opposite, of all their neighbouring nations, they never had a war only with us. We should respect that fact.

The main reason we haven't went to war with the Slovenians is that they didn't exist as their own country until after WWII. They just haven't existed long enough.

Then we were both incorporated in Yugoslavia, and we split off from it on the same day, and we were attacked by the same enemy.

besides, why go to war with a country that doesnt offer you anything other than unfinished motorways and a coastline that can't even dock a jetski?

bubach_hlubach

July 18th, 2005, 11:58 PM

Slovenes come to croatia because they're full of money and their own coastline isn't even big enough to handle a fishing boat without poking into foreign waters.

Slovenes dont come to Croatia cuz they are full of money, they are not full of money, an average Slovenian tourist takes a loan of 2.600 Kuna to afford a vacation in Croatia. Slovenes have vacations in Croatia because it is geographically pretty close, similar language, mentality etc etc etc...and soon there will be coming even more Slovenes to our coast because many of them tried different (cheap) destinations (Turkey, Marocco, etc), and they got pretty disappointed with those.

I was reading the Slovenian teletext thing in the morning when I was in Croatian Istria 3 weeks ago, and they wrote the following:

Avtocesta Zagreb-Split je najdražja Evropska Avtocesta

for all of you who are lucky enough NOT to speak Slovenian, this translated into Croatian means:

Autocesta Zagreb-Split je najskuplja Europska Autocesta

but they all have the nerve to tear the motorway up at 200km/h!

They simply copied it from our media which were very loud about the tolls of the Dalmatina anyway, nothing unusual.

Nobody who likes you can enjoy what you offer them, and then turn around and stab you in the back like this! but who cares, they can hate countries that are dominant compared to them, as long as they know that there are Europe's 3RD SMALLEST COUNTRY!

You see, this is exactly why some Slovenes dont like us, cuz we Croats feel superiror, and then Slovenes start showing such an attitude, too....chain reaction with no results - waste of energy.

ive been askin myself, how the hell did they get into NATO WITHOUT HAVING A SINGLE JET IN THEIR AIR FORCE?!?!?! Then I realized, by the time they start the jet's engines up, they've left Slovenian Airspace!

no, they don't like us. They envy us with all their mind. They come to Croatia to get what their speck country can't offer.

It's true they are jealous at us sometimes, but we could get jealous at them sometimes as well, agree ? ;)

700.000 - 800.000 Slovenes come to have vacation in Croatia (yearly), that's almost half of the population ;)

bubach_hlubach

July 19th, 2005, 12:10 AM

The main reason we haven't went to war with the Slovenians is that they didn't exist as their own country until after WWII. They just haven't existed long enough.

Then we were both incorporated in Yugoslavia, and we split off from it on the same day, and we were attacked by the same enemy.

besides, why go to war with a country that doesnt offer you anything other than unfinished motorways and a coastline that can't even dock a jetski?

A bas si pravi vatreni Dalmatinac :D

Neg' daj pliz vise dosta o tim Slovencima, ovo je thread o Hrvatskoj, stoga daj zapapri koju fotku ovdje dok si jos tamo.
Kakav je to nacin doci u Hrvatsku, i onda sparati fotke na digitalnom foticu? ;)

OettingerCroat

July 19th, 2005, 01:31 AM

ok ok moze :D

thank you for the analysis of my long msg

mic of Orion

July 19th, 2005, 02:49 AM

VOJNA SURADNJA: Danas sastanak hrvatske delegacije s predstavnicima General Dynamicsa u SAD-u

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Premijer Ivo Sanader danas se u SAD-u sastaje s predstavnicima američke tvrtke General Dynamics (GD), a kako doznaje Večernji list, tema razgovora bit će mogućnost zajedničke proizvodnje borbenog oklopnog vozila u "Đuri Đakoviću".

O planovima za proizvodnju BoV-a Večernjak je pisao u travnju, a pošto je napravljena studija izvodljivosti i dobivene neobvezujuće ponude od četiriju proizvođača, u igri su ostali austrijski Steyr (u vlasništvu GD-a) i finska Patria.

Veliki igrači
Obje su tvrtke veliki svjetski igrači, a za sada je teško reći tko je u prednosti. Jučer se o tome razgovaralo i u MORH-u, u kojem je bio direktor tvrtke "Đuro Đaković specijalna vozila" Bartol Jerković, a delegacija "Đure Đakovića" sastala se s predstavnicima Steyra u Austriji. Od prvotno planiranih 260 vozila, odlučeno je da će se proizvesti 126, ugovor o suradnji trebao bi se potpisati do kraja godine, a s proizvodnjom bi se započelo 2006. godine.

BoV proizvodit će se u nekoliko inačica, od običnog transportera do borbenog vozila pješaštva, za potrebe Hrvatske vojske, ali se planira i plasman na strana tržišta, u čemu će svakako koristiti suradnja s poznatim partnerom.

Nova tehnologija
Cijena pojedinog modela bit će oko milijun eura za transporter sa strojnicom, a do 2,6 milijuna za vozilo s topom. Koristit će se naoružanjem od strojnice kalibra 12,7 mm do topa 30 mm i protuzračnog sustava, a bit će opremljeni novom vojnom tehnologijom, što znači mogućnost uporabe i noću te u svim vremenskim uvjetima.

Za razliku od tenka Degman, koji je privremeno "na ledu", BoV-u u MORH-u predviđaju uspjelu budućnost jer je pokretljiviji i pogodniji za međunarodnu vojnu suradnju u mirovnim misijama, koje su jedna od glavnih orijentacija Hrvatske vojske.

RATNO ZRAKOPLOVSTVO Hrvatska bi u sljedećih pet godina trebala donijeti odluku o nasljedniku MiG-a 21

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Hrvatska bi u sljedećih pet godina trebala odlučiti na koji će način osuvremeniti ratno zrakoplovstvo i zamijeniti dvadesetak MiG-ova 21 kojima se danas koristi, a kojima će do tada isteći resursi te se više neće moći upotrebljavati.

U tome će se periodu izraditi studija u kojoj će se odrediti koji će ih tip zrakoplova zamijeniti, koliko će ih biti nabavljeno i pod kojim uvjetima, stoji u Strateškom pregledu obrane. U MORH-u računaju da je dovoljno od šest do 12 zrakoplova.

Nasljednici MiG-ova
O tome što će biti nakon što se MiG-ovi "umirove", raspravlja se već desetak godina, no ni danas se nije mnogo bliže rješenju negoli tada jer svaki od zrakoplova o kojima se razmišlja ima svoje operativne, financijske i političke prednosti i mane.

Kako doznajemo, potpuno se odustalo od ideje da se ratno zrakoplovstvo raspusti i nadzor zračnog prostora prepusti nekoj od prijateljskih susjednih država, o čemu se svojedobno ozbiljno razmišljalo. Jedan od razloga jest to što takav način ne bi bio financijski isplativ kako se mislilo, a drugi da RH ne bi izgubila suverenitet.

Jedno od prvih rješenja o kojem se razmišljalo tijekom 90-ih bila je nabava američkih lovačkih zrakoplova F-16, jednim dijelom da bi se pokazala želja za odmakom od zrakoplova ruske, komunističke proizvodnje i naglasila želja za približavanjem zapadnim standardima, a drugim dijelom zbog neupitne vrijednosti zrakoplova, koji je jedan od najboljih i najraširenijih na svijetu.

Ni danas situacija nije mnogo drukčija iako se, uz F-16, spominje još nekoliko zrakoplova, no službene potvrde još nema. Poznato je samo da se s MiG-ovima računa do 2010. godine, nakon čega bi se nabavio drugi tip zrakoplova.

Politički bodovi
Među mogućim rješenjima u posljednje se vrijeme, osim F-16, spominje i švedski "JAS-39 gripen", a sve manje zajednički proizvod nekoliko europskih država "eurofighter", kojemu su se u nekim krugovima davale dobre šanse u sklopu približavanja Hrvatske EU.

Cijena zrakoplova F-16 je oko 29 milijuna eura, ovisno o modelu i konfiguraciji. Proizvodi se u jednosjednoj i dvosjednoj inačici, leti brzinom do dva maha, na visini do 15 kilometara s doletom od oko 1500 kilometara, što je i više nego dovoljno za djelovanje u hrvatskom zračnom prostoru.

"Gripenova" prednost je nešto niža cijena, a iako je po brzini i visini leta sličnih karakteristika kao F-16, bolji je po tome što može poletjeti i sletjeti čak i s neuređenih pista te je iznimno jednostavan za održavanje.

Mana mu je što nije u većoj uporabi izvan Švedske, vjerojatno zato što je relativno nov prvi su primjerci stavljeni u uporabu potkraj 1996. godine. "Eurofighter", kojim se koriste Njemačka, Velika Britanija, Italija i Španjolska, suvremeni je i učinkovit zrakoplov, ali Hrvatsku vjerojatno najviše odbija cijenom od oko 53 milijuna eura, što je gotovo dvostruko više od konkurencije.

Na tržištu postoje i drugi zrakoplovi, poput francuskog "rafalea", koji je nastao nakon što su se Francuzi povukli iz projekta Eurofighter, no njegov je hendikep to što rabi francusko oružje iako se može modificirati na standard oružja NATO-a.

Unatoč tome što možda i nije najbolji operativni izbor za Hrvatsku, najvjerojatniji nasljednik MiG-a je F-16, a to govore i neslužbene informacije iz MORH-a, no do konačne odluke trebat će ipak pričekati studiju. Kupimo li ih 12, koštat će to oko 350 milijuna eura.

Možda je presudna prednost toga zrakoplova, koji je u uporabi od 1979. godine, to što čini velik dio zrakoplovnih snaga SAD-a, tj. NATO-a, u koji RH želi ući, pa bi se odlukom o njegovoj nabavi zadovoljili američki partneri i stekli potrebni politički bodovi.

from Vecernji List, http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/news/croatia/335763/index.do
http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/news/croatia/245944/index.do

Sorry in Croatian, can one of you guys just outline the shorts if you plz. thanx...