Public transport [Archive] - Page 2

Gamma-Hamster

July 21st, 2007, 04:06 PM

http://www.siemens.com/Daten/siecom/HQ/TS/Internet/Transportation_Systems/WORKAREA/pp_ts4/templatedata/Deutsch/file/binary/sc_upload_file_sosep200711_01_072dpi_1456357.jpg

http://www.siemens.com/index.jsp?sdc_p=fmls5uo1456471ni1079175pcz3&sdc_bcpath=1327899.s_5,&sdc_sid=19126270488&

Start of production for Russian high speed train

Bodyshell production starts at the Siemens plant in Krefeld-Uerdingen
Krefeld, Jul 20, 2007

Together with Siemens Transportation Systems (TS), Russian Railways (RZD) is now entering the era of high-speed rail travel. During his visit to the Siemens plant in Krefeld-Uerdingen on July 20, RZD President Vladimir Yakunin gave the formal go-ahead for bodyshell production of the first Russian high speed train, Velaro RUS. Starting at the end of 2009, these trains should be running at speeds of up to 250 km/h on a line connecting Moscow and St. Petersburg.

Yakunin called the start of Velaro production a “significant milestone in the development of the cooperation between RZD and Siemens”. And he firmly stated that the Velaro RUS, “whose design and technology reflected the highest standard in modern railway engineering, will soon enable RZD to catch up with other railway companies in the high speed rail sector and allow Russia to join the world’s elite club of high speed nations.”

During the visit by the Russian delegation, Hans M. Schabert, President of Siemens Transportation Systems, emphasized the good cooperation with the RZD on the Velaro project, calling it an “outstanding basis for a long-term partnership between Siemens and the RZD in all areas of railway technology.” He affirmed his belief that modern high speed trains were the ideal means of satisfying Russia’s growing need for mobility.

The Minister of Transport of the German state of North-Rhine Westphalia, Oliver Wittke, congratulated Yakunin on making this decision, stressing that “the Velaro contract from Russia demonstrates impressively how well the railway industry is able to tap its innovative strength and utilize its international contacts in Germany's most densely populated state.”

Back in May 2006, Siemens Transportation Systems had already received the contract to build a total of eight high speed trains, all of which to be manufactured in its Krefeld-Uerdingen plant and delivered by 2010. In addition, Siemens will be responsible for service and maintenance of these trains for 30 years. In all, that contract is worth about 600 million euros. Yakunin and Schabert officially approved the start of production of the bodyshells when they placed their signatures on a document certifying that the first step in the milestone agreement had been achieved.

In Schabert’s words, the Velaro RUS will give Russian Railways the “world’s most modern high speed trainset.” It is similar to the ICE 3 used by German Rail and the Velaro E used by Spanish National Railways (Renfe). The ten cars of the multiple-unit formation offer enough space for over 600 passengers and are specially modified to meet both the particular technical and climatic conditions encountered in Russia. The trains are designed for the Russian broad-gauge tracks and are around 33 cm wider than the ICE 3. When the Russian Velaro RUS, the Chinese Velaro CN, the Spanish Velaro E and the German ICE 3 are considered all together, more than 160 EMU high speed trains have meanwhile been ordered from Siemens worldwide.

With its billions in investments each year, Russia is considered to be one of the largest market for trains in the coming decades. In addition to the high speed line between Moscow and St. Petersburg, other rail connections are being planned, such as one between Moscow and Nizhny Novgorod. In Russia, a modern railway infrastructure featuring high speed rail travel is also considered to be a good response to the challenges of global warming. For instance, the amount of carbon dioxide, a contributor to global warming, emitted per passenger on high speed trains is about one-third the amount caused by airliners.

golov

July 21st, 2007, 08:46 PM

^^ Nice, cant wait

RawLee

July 21st, 2007, 09:21 PM

P.S.: in Budapest, even the long Combino Supra came after only 1-2 minutes of waiting at peak hours. Compare that to the amount of time you have to wait for a tram in Bucharest and you'll start to hate RATB.:ohno: Their BKV does a great job!

We have 40 of those babies...and they are stuffed in peaktime.
In the weekend,when they are less needed,the ones that would be out of service, are now sent on to other lines, to better utilize them. Better be utilized,they costed a hell a lot of money..a cost of a bridge over the Danube!

BTW, i've heard that the CargoTram in Drezden is the longest tram in the world..second is Combino Supra...curse you!:lol:

Gamma-Hamster

July 22nd, 2007, 12:10 AM

^^ Nice, cant wait
Yeah, that will be awesome.:) I hope they will also try to launch Moscow-Sochi high speed line by 2014.

golov

July 22nd, 2007, 12:23 AM

Yeah, that will be awesome.:) I hope they will also try to launch Moscow-Sochi high speed line by 2014.
Yeah

8 trains will not be enough though, I hope RZD either buy more trainsets from Siemens or even better create a joint venture with production in Russia :)

sanasa1

July 28th, 2007, 12:02 PM

Tarom's Airbus a310 first flight to London LHR in new colors :)
http://imajr.com/th/1185557099_233537.jpg (http://imajr.com/1185557099_233537)
http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=652875

Cosmin

July 28th, 2007, 02:54 PM

Transilvania is airborne again. Waiting for Moldova. Been waiting for this moment for so long now and she finally flies again.:banana: Looking good in the new c/s.

Sadly, I've heard the two A310s could become presidential aircraft, either dedicated, having state of the art comms, self-protection systems etc, either just in VIP configuration also used for charter flights. Either way they'd end up with Romavia. I know what matters is that they fly again, but TAROM needs to consolidate it's corporate image and not return to it's former glory, but surpass it.

I mean, look at them! MALEV stands way better then TAROM. Not to mention CSA... and not even thinking of comparing it to LOT. After the next 2 A318s and Moldova A310 will enter service we'll have 22 aircraft and fly to 47 destinations in Europe, Middle East and Africa. Well, that's just crap! MALEV operates 30 aircraft to 58 destinations (including transatlantic flights to US and Canada and flights to Asia) and CSA has 50 aircraft and serves 70 destinations (including transatlantic).:bash:

There was a rumor that TAROM will look into leasing/buying 2-4 Airbus A330/340 or Boeing 767/777, revive it's transatlantic and long-haul Asian flights, but... AFAIK turned up to be just that... a rumor.

sanasa1

July 28th, 2007, 03:35 PM

small steps are being taken! there are talks to restart flights to PKE (Beijing) in the autumn... :) i think its not long before tarom starts transatlantic flights again

nebunul

August 11th, 2007, 12:46 AM

Bucharest Citaro(s)... by me

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/7823/picture094du5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3209/picture095zu8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Cosmin

August 11th, 2007, 11:16 PM

Very nice, nebunul.:)

Petr

August 14th, 2007, 01:21 PM

Is that standard colour of the Bucharest public transport? Not extremely distinct and noticeable.

nebunul

August 14th, 2007, 01:26 PM

I had the same question... they seem to have gone for white only ... I would've added more colur to a already grey city ... smth extreme ... red

pescarush

August 14th, 2007, 02:06 PM

Bucharest ain t London. i think white with some decent publicity banners will look just perfect, in so diversified city like Bucharest.

nebunul

August 14th, 2007, 02:42 PM

Bucharest ain t London. i think white with some decent publicity banners will look just perfect, in so diversified city like Bucharest.

^^ init ?!?

nebunul

August 29th, 2007, 11:58 AM

Urban Traffic Control Project, Bucharest - project value: circa 21,000,000 Euro Design and installation of a state-of-the-art UTC system - To be completed by June 2008

"Bucharest traffic will be managed by a control center, starting next year. Satellite surveillance of the ambulance, fire fighting and police vehicles, so that they are given green light towards the intervention area, as well as intelligent traffic light control to unblock crowded crossroads electronically are but a few of the characteristics of the new traffic management system.

Once the structure rehabilitated, the traffic management system introduces three priority systems. The first priority level is for the ambulance, fire fighters and police along with the other state authorities that must intervene rapidly, according to the legal provisions. A GPS system will give green light to the ambulance or the firefighting vehicles in order to avoid unpleasant incidents, Bucharest's general mayor Adriean Videanu told a news conference on Sunday.

According to the traffic management project the traffic lights of the central areas of the city will be computer-assisted, the big crossroads will be rehabilitated and refurbished with video cameras and the transportation means of Bucharest Public Transport Authority (RATB) will be monitored via the satellite.

Traffic management project will begin in mid August (2007) with the reconfiguration of two important crossroads in Bucharest. They will be equipped with an intelligent traffic light system, able to make decisions such as changing traffic lights duration based on the information received by video cameras and the priority requests by the ambulance, fire fighting or police or public transport vehicles.

All the 100 crossroads in the center of the city and those on the north-south traffic axis will be similarly equipped, Bucharest general mayor informed."

... also another project ... "TRAMWAY TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT SYSTEM" - http://www.integralconsulting.ro/Documente/Poster_MANTRA_RO.pdf

On 29.09.2006, the Scientific Symposium referring to the finalization and implementation of the project "TRAMWAY TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT SYSTEM" - A PILOT SYSTEM was held at the premises of R.A.T.B. Giurgiu Depot.

Live demos (in real time) of monitoring the tramways along route 12 in Bucharest were performed in the Dispatcher office at Giurgiu Depot. The images on the computer in the Dispatcher Office, as displayed for the guests, allowed them to track moment by moment the tramways running along this route, namely each tramway number, the exact time of its arrival to the stop, as well as a comparison to the preset running schedule. The synoptic diagram on the screen warned in a suggestive way, through the tramway colour code, about any deviation (delay or arrival ahead of schedule) above the limit admitted of as per the graph.

A Certificate of Validation of the "TRAMWAY TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT SYSTEM" - A PILOT SYSTEM was issued.

RawLee

August 29th, 2007, 12:04 PM

Good! We are just experimenting with the traffic-light control system on a bus route...wonder when we will catch up...

nebunul

August 29th, 2007, 12:52 PM

^^ We've got to learn from Budapest public transport also ...

Urban Traffic Control Project, Bucharest - project value: circa 21,000,000 Euro Design and installation of a state-of-the-art UTC system - To be completed by June 2008

BTW Official document showing commissioning and testing scheduled for June 2008 :cheers:
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3591/32905829kc9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

RawLee

August 29th, 2007, 01:19 PM

^^ We've got to learn from Budapest public transport also ...

That would be worst thing to do...if you want something good done,make a community like "VEKE". they are a civil organization,members are traffic engineers and such,so people who know some "know-how"s. BKV slowly starts to listen to them. the result:
old night bus system:
http://www.freeweb.hu/metros/terkep/ej/ejsz_old.html
new night bus system,for the same cost:
http://www.freeweb.hu/metros/terkep/ej/ejszuj.html
buses come every 30 minutes.
and this is just the tip of the iceberg.
BTW,Qtya is a memeber of them.

nebunul

August 29th, 2007, 01:22 PM

I think the buses are quite OK in Bucharest ... I'd say every 10 minutes. But maybe someone that lives in Bucharest can say more ...

RawLee

August 29th, 2007, 01:27 PM

I think the buses are quite OK in Bucharest ... I'd say every 10 minutes. But maybe someone that lives in Bucharest can say more ...

I didnt mean to say it not good. I just wanted to tell you what is done here,which is NOT an idea of BKV.

BND

August 29th, 2007, 11:04 PM

Bucharest Citaro(s)... by me

Are all of Bucharest's new Citaros solo buses (like those on the pictures) or you have articulated ones too?

nebunul

August 29th, 2007, 11:12 PM

No articulated ones. Initially I was surprised (pissed off rather); but then I realised (think so :? :dunno: ) that Bucharest traffic would not “welcome” them.

BND

August 29th, 2007, 11:31 PM

No articulated ones. Initially I was surprised (pissed off rather); but then I realised (think so :? :dunno: ) that Bucharest traffic would not “welcome” them.

Strange to hear that... I think the life here in Budapest would stop without articulated buses, when I think about the line 7 or the metro/tram replacement buses during rush-hour :)

Cosmin

August 29th, 2007, 11:35 PM

Don't worry, BND, we're just too stupid to buy articulated buses and that won't change too soon. It very stupid if you ask me... but I'm not running RATB, so...

RawLee

August 29th, 2007, 11:36 PM

Strange to hear that... I think the life here in Budapest would stop without articulated buses, when I think about the line 7 or the metro/tram replacement buses during rush-hour :)

Hey,we are against articulated buses too,but we are against double articulated ones:lol: :nuts:

Petr

August 31st, 2007, 03:18 PM

Hey,we are against articulated buses too,but we are against double articulated ones:lol: :nuts:
I had no idea, that sth like that existed. :eek: I must search for some photos.

:crazy:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Doppelgelenkbus_02_KMJ.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Doppelgelenkbus_01_KMJ.jpg

But this one is better. :D
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Cropped_jumbo.jpg/800px-Cropped_jumbo.jpg

Делян

August 31st, 2007, 03:34 PM

^^ ^^
the top picture is beautiful! Nice looking bus. Vanttool!:)

RawLee

August 31st, 2007, 03:38 PM

I had no idea, that sth like that existed. :eek: I must search for some photos.

Ask south american members. Cities there usually use these instead of trams.

Cosmin

August 31st, 2007, 05:57 PM

^^ ^^
the top picture is beautiful! Nice looking bus. Vanttool!:)

It's Van Hool, a Belgian company.:) In my opinion, they make some of the best buses.

Rebasepoiss

August 31st, 2007, 11:20 PM

I wish Tallinn had double articulated buses. They look so cool and are as long as our bus+trailer combination, but have a bigger capacity.

sun&sun

August 31st, 2007, 11:36 PM

We have these now. The line will be opened in 15 days, let's see how to ride them!

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/5661/e6vm5uo8.jpg

RawLee

August 31st, 2007, 11:46 PM

We will have some too,because the continuation of metro M4 wont happen now,and the idea of our "beloved" major is that to substitute the metro(or trams)with these...

CrazySerb

September 1st, 2007, 12:41 AM

UP "Belkommunmash" , a bus/tram/trolleybus manufacturer from Minsk, Belarus just presented its brand new, fourth-generation trolleybus called "БЕЛКОММУНМАШ-42003А" :cheers:

http://forum.esmasoft.com/files/s5001676_131.jpg

http://forum.esmasoft.com/files/s5001678_813.jpg

http://forum.esmasoft.com/files/s5001680_996.jpg

http://forum.esmasoft.com/files/s5001681_564.jpg

http://forum.esmasoft.com/files/s5001682_117.jpg

http://forum.esmasoft.com/files/s5001684_132.jpg
http://forum.esmasoft.com/files/____________-42003__182.jpg

City of Belgrade is a customer of Belkommunmash, and could be soon operating 100+ of their trolley's, so I hope we may see these as well on our roads soon:yes:

CrazySerb

September 1st, 2007, 12:47 AM

New Romanian-made 100% low-floor tram is being prepared. Its called BucurLF:)

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e274/metrouusor/001-LUCRU-03.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e274/metrouusor/001-MACHETA-03.jpg

Link to more photos of BucurLF:
http://metrouusor.uv.ro/parc/bucurlf.html

Делян

September 1st, 2007, 12:58 AM

^^ ^^
What the.......
The trolley looks amazing!
Is that cloth on the seats? That's is not gonna last long!
Now, I remember that a few years ago, the Belarussian company won a bid for Sofia's trolley replacement, but they cancelled the bid for whatever reason!

koolkid

September 1st, 2007, 01:25 AM

It's good to see EE is modernizing it's public transport fleet. The new Belarusan trolly buses look great, although the front of the vehicle looks a bit funny.
How does EE public transport look now? Anyone have a thread?

Gamma-Hamster

September 1st, 2007, 01:49 AM

nebunul

September 1st, 2007, 10:02 AM

BucurLF - "100% Romanian made" :nuts: ... "upgraded" rather ...
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/5809/22222fa9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/4439/11111111111111111111em7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ BTW looks similatr to NGT6 Bombardier
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1875/333333333ck5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

New Romanian-made 100% low-floor tram is being prepared. Its called BucurLF:)
Link to more photos of BucurLF:
http://metrouusor.uv.ro/parc/bucurlf.html

^^ They’re shit ... however URAC - the company that "manufacture" them (rather "modernise" the old V3A ones - see picture below) - is just a tram maintenance/repairs plant; and this is just a temporary solution until aprox.100 new trams will be bought

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8653/33667004lr9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

RawLee

September 1st, 2007, 11:55 AM

Tomesh

September 1st, 2007, 01:47 PM

Russian air fleets will soon be modernized with dozens(and later hundreds) of this planes made in Russia
http://www.k2kapital.com/images/news/reportings/superjet100-1.JPG

This looks really good, I read that Boeing have confirmed their satisfaction with the product and that it looks as if its going to be more economical than CRJs and the Embraer products. I expect orders from western carriers to be coming soon after its first few flights, Malev and SAS are said to be very interested

Adiks

September 1st, 2007, 01:49 PM

I suppose you are in it.

He asked that question in a spare topic, which has been sticked to this one later.

RawLee

September 1st, 2007, 01:57 PM

He asked that question in a spare topic, which has been sticked to this one later.

Ok,sorry then!

koolkid

September 1st, 2007, 11:43 PM

He asked that question in a spare topic, which has been sticked to this one later.

That's right. Well i looked at quite a few pages in the thread. It's all great. Good to see EE getting new bus fleets, etc.

RawLee

September 1st, 2007, 11:51 PM

That's right. Well i looked at quite a few pages in the thread. It's all great. Good to see EE getting new bus fleets, etc.

If you liked this,check the CE topic too...you will be amazed! Just a teaser: 2 new metros,52m long trams.

koolkid

September 2nd, 2007, 12:20 AM

Great! Thanks alot, I'll check that out too. It'd be great if my city had things like these. Sure we have extensive public transport but it needs URGENT modernization. Thanks again.

Qtya

September 3rd, 2007, 03:00 PM

I had no idea, that sth like that existed. :eek: I must search for some photos.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6994/duplacsuklosvn3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Second phase of the 4th metro line canceled? BKV is buying Volvo 7500 instead?

http://www.veke.hu/index.php?fc=cikk&par=361

^^

nebunul

September 16th, 2007, 11:07 PM

Urban Traffic Control Project, Bucharest - project value: circa 21,000,000 Euro Design and installation of a state-of-the-art UTC system - To be completed by June 2008

"Bucharest traffic will be managed by a control center, starting next year. Satellite surveillance of the ambulance, fire fighting and police vehicles, so that they are given green light towards the intervention area, as well as intelligent traffic light control to unblock crowded crossroads electronically are but a few of the characteristics of the new traffic management system.

Once the structure rehabilitated, the traffic management system introduces three priority systems. The first priority level is for the ambulance, fire fighters and police along with the other state authorities that must intervene rapidly, according to the legal provisions. A GPS system will give green light to the ambulance or the firefighting vehicles in order to avoid unpleasant incidents, Bucharest's general mayor Adriean Videanu told a news conference on Sunday.

According to the traffic management project the traffic lights of the central areas of the city will be computer-assisted, the big crossroads will be rehabilitated and refurbished with video cameras and the transportation means of Bucharest Public Transport Authority (RATB) will be monitored via the satellite.

Traffic management project will begin in mid August (2007) with the reconfiguration of two important crossroads in Bucharest. They will be equipped with an intelligent traffic light system, able to make decisions such as changing traffic lights duration based on the information received by video cameras and the priority requests by the ambulance, fire fighting or police or public transport vehicles.

All the 100 crossroads in the center of the city and those on the north-south traffic axis will be similarly equipped, Bucharest general mayor informed."

^^ First two "intelligent crossroads" ... already ON :cheers:

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8092/56089140xt7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Same system already implemented in London, Paris, Dublin, Madrid, Torino etc

http://www.evz.ro/article.php?artid=322942#

Gamma-Hamster

September 26th, 2007, 05:43 PM

http://www.rambler.ru/news/images/news/2007/09/26/1190796755_00385.jpg

http://www.rambler.ru/news/images/news/2007/09/26/1190807439_96834.jpg

http://www.rambler.ru/news/images/news/2007/09/26/1190807445_03357.jpg

http://www.rambler.ru/news/images/news/2007/09/26/1190807564_32466.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7014049.stm

The first plane was unveiled at a factory in Komsomolsk-on-Amur in Russia's Far East.

The 110-seat Superjet 100 has been developed by state-run business Sukhoi, in conjunction with Western partners including US giant Boeing.

Russian flag-carrier Aeroflot has already placed an order for 15 Superjets, at a cost of $400m.

There are 73 orders in total, with the others coming mainly from Russian regional carriers, but Italian regional airline Itali also plans to buy 10 planes.

The Superjet retails for $28m, which is 25% lower than the rival Embraer 190.

nebunul

September 26th, 2007, 05:52 PM

^^ No thank you! Boeing or Airbus only. :lol: :cheers:

RawLee

September 26th, 2007, 05:57 PM

If this is pure 100% russian tech,then it will fly forever(until it runs out of fuel,or shot down). Just like russian cars and eastern bloc mechanical stuff.:lol: :lol:

Cosmin

September 26th, 2007, 06:26 PM

Looks like a cross between A318 and 787. :lol: I like how it looks, and I hope it's a quality product. When's the maiden flight?

Gamma-Hamster

September 26th, 2007, 06:34 PM

When's the maiden flight?
Before the end of the year.

Looks like a cross between A318 and 787
Btw, in addition to SSJ-100 Aeroflot also plans to buy 22 Boeing 787 Dreamliner:cheers:

Делян

September 26th, 2007, 06:52 PM

Looks like a cross between A318 and 787. :lol: I like how it looks, and I hope it's a quality product. When's the maiden flight?
I would say more like Embraer-170/190, which is an aircraft from the same market segment.......

Cosmin

September 26th, 2007, 07:14 PM

...which in turn looks like a cross between A318 and 787. :lol:

BND

September 26th, 2007, 09:18 PM

Today Boris Abramovich, the owner of Malév said in Komsomolsk-na-Amure, that Malév is thinking of buying 15 new Sukhoy Superjet 100s. The contract may will be signed in first half 2008.

Source: index.hu

wholagun

September 27th, 2007, 02:41 PM

If this is pure 100% russian tech,then it will fly forever(until it runs out of fuel,or shot down). Just like russian cars and eastern bloc mechanical stuff.:lol: :lol:

it will bend but it won't break

JloKyM

September 27th, 2007, 11:49 PM

Ok guys, BRAKING NEWS!!!

40 new buses for Sofia. 8 Mercedes Benz Conecto and 32 Citaros.
Pictures from today

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c280/BBonev/SKGT/Novi/IMG_1339.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c280/BBonev/SKGT/Novi/IMG_1338.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c280/BBonev/SKGT/Novi/IMG_1333.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c280/BBonev/SKGT/Novi/IMG_1331.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c280/BBonev/SKGT/Novi/IMG_1320.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c280/BBonev/SKGT/Novi/IMG_1319.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c280/BBonev/SKGT/Novi/IMG_1315.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c280/BBonev/SKGT/Novi/IMG_1317.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c280/BBonev/SKGT/Novi/IMG_1316.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c280/BBonev/SKGT/Novi/IMG_1313.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c280/BBonev/SKGT/Novi/IMG_1310.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c280/BBonev/SKGT/Novi/IMG_1309.jpg

These are 4 of the 8 Conectos.

10x to CKD and forum.gtsofia.info

koolkid

September 28th, 2007, 06:32 AM

^^Good to see the driver gets a soft comfty seat while everyone else gets hard plastic. :P

The color looks great guys! Congradulations!

JloKyM

September 28th, 2007, 08:16 AM

By the way the grey seats are very confortable :)

krzysiu_

September 28th, 2007, 10:46 AM

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c280/BBonev/SKGT/Novi/IMG_1320.jpg[/IMG]
ROFL seats

Qtya

September 28th, 2007, 11:01 AM

Looks like the Citaros and Conectos are very popular in the CE-EE zone... It seems Mercedes Benz has a good lobby...:lol:

Cosmin

September 28th, 2007, 07:37 PM

Same shit here! Seats in all means of public transport in Bucharest simply suck ass. We have Citaro buses like London or Paris have, we have Citelis trolleybuses like Paris (only they have the bus version), and Movia metro trains that London will only get in 2009 and what all these means of transport have in common in Bucharest?

CHEAP STUPID SEATS!

It seems TfL and RATP have much higher respect for passengers than RATB has and also... they are less animals then we are, since I belive high quality seats wouldn't last too long here...:ohno:

BND

October 1st, 2007, 02:55 PM

I've read the following news:

The Romanian government is planning a high-speed train line between Budapest and Bucharest- said Ludovic Orban, Romanian minister of transportation in a statement he gave to Romania Libera daily. The 800 km long line would not go through Transylvania due to high costs, it would run through southern Romania and cross the border somewhere near Timisoara/Temesvár. The trains would run around the speed of 200-250 km/h.

If Romanian forumers know something more, please write it :)

sun&sun

October 1st, 2007, 02:58 PM

cool one could connect the line to the Edirne-Ankara highspeed line which is u/c right now.

Cosmin

November 20th, 2007, 12:14 PM

Bombardier wants to provide CFR with high-speed trains
Bombardier Transportation intends on proposing the AGC train, able to run on electricity, diesel or on a combination of both (hybrid), declared Jean Berge, vicepresident of Marketing & Sales for Bombardier Transportation.

AGC trains is flexible in regard to the length, interior design, means of traction and number of doors.

Bombardier also wants to propose the TRAXX locomotive family, made up of electric and diesel-electric locos for passenger and freight transport.

So far, Bombardier has delivered to Metrorex (Bucharest metro operator) 44 Movia train sets consisting of 6 carriages each and totaling (trains + equipment) at 300 million EUR.
Business Standard[/URL]]Bombardier Transportation, parte a corporatiei Bombardier Inc., lider mondial de solutii inovatoare de transport, intentioneaza sa propuna CFR trenul AGC - de mare viteza, care functioneaza cu electricitate, cu diesel sau ambele (tehnologie hibrida), a declarat pentru Business Standard Jean Berge, vicepresedinte de Marketing si Vanzari Bombardier Transportation. Potrivit acestuia, trenul are flexibilitate in ceea ce priveste lungimea, designul interior, modul de tractiune si numarul de usi.

“De asemenea, vrem sa propunem CFR Marfa si operatorilor privati de transport marfa familia de locomotive Bombardier TRAXX, care incorporeaza locomotive electrice, diesel-electrice pentru transport marfa si pasageri”, a adaugat Berge. Bombardier Transportation este liderul global al furnizorilor de solutii feroviare, cu sediul principal la Berlin. In anul fiscal incheiat la 31 ianuarie 2007, compania a avut o cifra de afaceri de aproximativ 1,2 mld. euro. Pana acum, Bombardier a livrat catre Metrorex 44 de trenuri de metrou, a cate sase vagoane fiecare. Toate aceste trenuri si echipamente au o valoare de aproximativ 300 mil. euro.

SOURCE: Business Standard (http://www.standard.ro/articol_19637/bombardier_vrea_sa_furnizeze_cfr_trenuri_de_mare_viteza.html)

AGC train
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/33/2regionalagcext03si1.th.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2regionalagcext03si1.jpg)
TRAXX locomotives
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/4295/2locomotivesclass146pw3.th.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2locomotivesclass146pw3.jpg)

Ahm, AFAIK, AGC (Autorail Grande Capacité) (http://www.bombardier.com/en/1_0/1_1/1_1_3_2_1_1.jsp) trains run at 160 km/h, and while this might be considered high-speed, in Europe they would need to run at at least 200 km/h to be truly high-speed. So I'm not that excited at the poeple at Business Standard over their speed.:lol:

Anyhow, 160 is something, and these trains would decrease travel time (if our tracks could handle them) and increase service quality. Not to mention those TRAXX locos (http://www.bombardier.com/index.jsp?id=1_0&lang=en&file=/en/1_0/1_0.jsp)... lovely ones. I'm sick of the poor CFR service (see photo below)!:bash:
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1335/poza1410006096611955502qw8.th.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=poza1410006096611955502qw8.jpg)

COTNARI

November 20th, 2007, 01:01 PM

Come on !!! For the new infrastructure in Europe 200 is decent/normal speed! High speed means around 300!

nebunul

November 20th, 2007, 01:33 PM

Current/highest speed on Romanian Railways is about 120Km/h (on the paper may be higher; I am talking reality here) … So 160km/h would be OK for the moment. Apparently Bucharest-Constanta (currently U/C/Upgrade) will handle speeds up to 200km/h

COTNARI

November 20th, 2007, 01:38 PM

^^This will be great :cheers:

cezarsab

November 20th, 2007, 04:07 PM

yes of course....may be cfr will get its glory back,,,

Tego

November 22nd, 2007, 11:00 AM

Here's a link to a page with pictures of buses, trams and trolleys used by the Public Transport Company of Sofia:

http://www.spirka.org/

Forgot to mention it's in Bulgarian... Knock yourselves out! ;)

1.vod

November 24th, 2007, 07:57 PM

New croatian trains

Koncar

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/5203/fvlakae4.jpg

Koncar/Gredelj

http://www.vjesnik.hr/html/2006/02/23/vlak.jpg

ruslan33

November 24th, 2007, 09:36 PM

New croatian trains

Koncar

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/5203/fvlakae4.jpg

Koncar/Gredelj

http://www.vjesnik.hr/html/2006/02/23/vlak.jpg

:cheers:
go Croatia

1.vod

November 25th, 2007, 02:18 AM

bye bye England! :cheers: :lol:

ufonut

November 25th, 2007, 08:16 AM

News from Poland.

1. NEWAG (company from Nowy Sacz) is working on a Pendolino-type train (250km/h). First prototype will be ready in Spring 2008.

http://www.ec-engineering.pl/lightbox/images/galeria1/image-5.jpg

http://pfl.neostrada.pl/newag.jpg

2. Solaris Bus & Coach is designing a new tram for the first time. The company will most likely take part in tram tenders in Poland in 2008 with its new model called Gecko.

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/9/4651/z4651259X.jpg

3. First FLIRT trains for Mazovia and Silesia are being assembled in Siedlce at the Stadler plant. 14 units in total will be delivered in Spring 2008.

http://transport.asi.pwr.wroc.pl/0.1A/duze/04/279330.jpg

JloKyM

November 25th, 2007, 09:23 AM

^^ They all look awsome !Great job, Poland! :cheers:

Gastly

November 25th, 2007, 11:27 AM

I wish we could have these trams and trains as well :(

FredPerry

November 25th, 2007, 01:32 PM

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/5203/fvlakae4.jpg

I like it. Train version of Crotram

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8715/tek20deseti20od20sedamdeset8ye.jpg

:)

krzysiu_

November 25th, 2007, 07:42 PM

bye bye England! :cheers: :lol::D

Qtya

November 25th, 2007, 07:52 PM

Do You Guys have any information on the High-speed train line the Romanian government is planning to build from Constanta-(through Bucharest) to the Hungarian border? From here the Romanian idea seems very strong... Can You update me? High-speed means something like french TGV and german ICE?

Cosmin

November 25th, 2007, 07:57 PM

Since the line will be an extenstion of the high-speed axis project Paris-Strasbourg-Stuttgart-Vienna-Bratislava-Budapest, I guess the speed should be around 300 km/h, but I still don't belive there's much support for this in Romania. When they'll start building it, I'll belive.

Sorry, I don't have any news.:)

Qtya

November 25th, 2007, 08:38 PM

1.vod

November 27th, 2007, 01:15 AM

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/9/4651/z4651259X.jpg

Beautiful tram! :cheers:

nebunul

November 27th, 2007, 01:24 AM

Looks like an electronic terminator-lizard^^ … :lol:

Cosmin

November 27th, 2007, 01:30 AM

It looks good. If only we'd get those 100 new trams sooner!:ohno:

nebunul

November 27th, 2007, 01:32 AM

^^ 4 and 1/2 years to go :bash: ...

Alexriga

November 27th, 2007, 03:29 PM

Good work EE. I loved Croatram. It is beautiful in my opinion, at least style and design.
I hope it will be good technically.

Cosmin

November 27th, 2007, 03:43 PM

I loved Croatram.
It's spelled CROTRAM, without an a there.:cheers: But that's the company that produces it. The tram itself is TMK 2200.

In my opinion, TMK 2200 is one of the best looking trams in the world. And God, I love that blue on it... it fits so well. They're in use since 2005 in Zagreb, and I haven't heard of any major technical glitch so far, so at least we know it's not a disaster.:nuts: Problems might arrise with time, and we'll see, but it seems well engineered and built.

I hope to see it in Helsinki soon, as there are rumours one test tram was sent there, and maybe HTK (Helsinki City Transport) will buy a few.

1.vod

November 27th, 2007, 07:25 PM

Some more pics of CROTRAM from SNUPIX

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3073/33qr1.jpg

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/2859/pc2928049pq9nw.jpg

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/6098/pc2522436gb.jpg

butch83

November 27th, 2007, 10:39 PM

what is Sopot?

nebunul

November 27th, 2007, 10:48 PM

Has got to be the last stop ... neighbourhood of Zagreb :cheers:

Cosmin

November 27th, 2007, 10:53 PM

It's the turning point for the no. 6 tram line in Zagreb.:)

1.vod

November 28th, 2007, 01:05 AM

It's the turning point for the no. 6 tram line in Zagreb.:)

:yes:

nebunul

December 1st, 2007, 12:14 PM

pescarush

December 1st, 2007, 12:38 PM

this one seems like a bus:nuts:
i liked that first tram.
anyway, whether it be Alstom or Bombardier, they have to be strong made for some uncivilised citizens that we all know...

nebunul

December 1st, 2007, 12:42 PM

Well … civilisation has always been improved by/with money, investments, technology ...

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9068/123me6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ They look like the ones in Bordeaux ...

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/54/321ac6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/9098/321gg6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Key figures
Width: Between 2.30 and 2.65 m
Length: Between 20 and 40 m
Capacity: Between 145 and 302 passengers (city hall request)

pescarush

December 1st, 2007, 01:00 PM

Well … civilisation has always been improved by/with money, investments, technology ...

it s easy for u to say, maybe we should ask Bucharest people first...

sanasa1

December 1st, 2007, 05:37 PM

these trams were not bought, they were just presented

mitsurughi

December 1st, 2007, 06:40 PM

Bucharest's turn ... Alstom's offer

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5151/12345ou4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1138/1234hn9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9068/123me6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.cotidianul.ro/index.php?id=16042&art=39716&cHash=22ee566cee

Ok so, if they win the auction, what model will be used for Bucharest? The one in the render or the real life model?

(I like the render more)

nebunul

December 2nd, 2007, 03:16 PM

Ok so, if they win the auction, what model will be used for Bucharest? The one in the render or the real life model?

(I like the render more)

^^ ^^
Bucharest's turn ... Alstom's offer

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9068/123me6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.cotidianul.ro/index.php?id=16042&art=39716&cHash=22ee566cee

Le Clerk

December 6th, 2007, 11:49 AM

Changes in the railway infrastructure by 2018
Ziarul Financiar: 06-12-2007

The main projects for the rehabilitation of Romania's railway infrastructure are trans-European corridors IV and IX, which total over 2,000 km of railway and investments worth above 10bn euros.

EU accession has forced the Romanian state to invest in the development of its rail network through the creation of some high-speed routes that would link Greece and the rest of the continent.

The two European corridors that cross Romania are corridor IV (a link between Germany and Greece) and corridor IX (between Finland and Greece), which total almost 10,000 km of track.

The rehabilitation of the over 2,000 km of railway in Romania, in order to become part of the European rail network, will require investments worth at least 10bn euros, with the objective being for passenger trains to reach a maximum speed of 140 km/h and compliance with EU safety standards.

At the same time, the Ministry of Transport has started to modernise passenger railway stations and bring them in line with European safety and operative standards. At present, Romania has only 12 "Euro-stations", whilst another 30 stations are included in this programme.

Corridor IV runs from Curtici to Constanta along 2 sections, namely (Arad-Constanta and Arad-Calafat). Necessary investments (as estimated by CFR) amount to over 6bn euros for the almost 1,400 km.

Corridor IX (which crosses Moldavia and runs from Iasi to Giurgiu) travels a length of 618 km, which involves rehabilitation costs worth around 4.5bn euros, according to current estimates.

In the wake of rehabilitation works, passenger trains will be able to reach speeds of up to 160 km/h along at least 1,000 km of railway. In most cases, the deadline for the rehabilitation projects is the end of 2018.

"We will not have high-speed trains (of over 200 km/h i.e.) in Romania earlier than 2025," stated Constantin Onoiu, head of the projects department at CFR Infrastructura. He specified that in order to reach such high speeds an IT rail traffic management system would also be necessary.

Until the early '90s, CFR held the leading position in terms of passenger and freight transportation, but more recently lost its position to road transport. The phenomenon is apparent across Europe, as EU officials announce a series of measures intended to bring passengers back to rail travel.

Adrian Vlaicu, a marketing manager at CFR Calatori, recently stated that CFR could not compete with road infrastructure as well, because of the toll (TUI) levied by CFR Infrastructura at 3 euros per km.

In late 2006, CFR Calatori accounted for 98.8% of railway passenger traffic, but the situation may change, as CFR is obliged to open the market to private European operators.

Cosmin

December 6th, 2007, 11:52 AM

"We will not have high-speed trains (of over 200 km/h i.e.) in Romania earlier than 2025," stated Constantin Onoiu, head of the projects department at CFR Infrastructura.
Ok, I promise I'll come visit.:lol::bash: At least they have some plans... I guess.:ohno:

RawLee

December 6th, 2007, 12:08 PM

""We will not have high-speed trains (of over 200 km/h i.e.) in Romania earlier than 2025,""

Then what was that Bucharest-Budapest stuff?

nebunul

December 6th, 2007, 12:09 PM

I'd say bring in private investors/operators. The hell with CFR !

cezarsab

December 6th, 2007, 12:30 PM

^^ cfr is tradition in romania right!!!?
if cfr is converted to a plc (S.A) company i think it's better for it...and to be listed in stock exchange..

Cosmin

December 6th, 2007, 12:33 PM

Then what was that Bucharest-Budapest stuff?
Good 'ol Romanian bullshit. Told you.:cheers:

snupix

December 7th, 2007, 09:48 PM

In Zagreb, they started testing dynamic passenger information system! :banana:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e394/deko1234/DSC07460o.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e394/deko1234/DSC07462o.jpg

bgrs

December 7th, 2007, 10:13 PM

Nice :) Looks prettier than our orange ones:

Unfortunately I could dig up only that photo, it's the orange one on the right.

http://images11.snimka.bg/001322496-big.jpg

RawLee

December 7th, 2007, 10:16 PM

This is one of the 16 placed on the line of bus 86. Its experimental.
http://www.bkv.hu/kozlemenyek/20070726_gps1.jpg

Cosmin

December 7th, 2007, 10:25 PM

I now oficially hate Zagreb, Budapest and Sofia.:lol:

zzibit

December 7th, 2007, 10:26 PM

Nice :) Looks prettier than our orange ones

Which moron put it 10 metres away from the bus stop and its visibility blocked by a tree? :nuts:

Cosmin

December 7th, 2007, 10:26 PM

^^A genuine Balkan moron.:)

cezarsab

December 7th, 2007, 10:36 PM

i don't understand for what they are used??:? :bash:

snupix

December 7th, 2007, 10:45 PM

i don't understand for what they are used??:? :bash:

What, displays? To show the time to the arrival of the next tram/bus, or in case of traffic problems to display an appropriate message. They've also got loudspeakers. Very useful.

bgrs

December 7th, 2007, 10:50 PM

Well, AFAIK they are connected with a central server that receives information from the GPS systems installed in the vehicle. Thus, they can show you accurately (well..almost, depends on the traffic congestions) how much time remains till a certain bus/tram/trolley arrives at the stop.

JloKyM

December 7th, 2007, 10:52 PM

In Sofia, we have them in every major station, and not only..:cheers: The system is useful and it became reality after the equipping of all trams, trolleybuses and buses with GPS.

cezarsab

December 7th, 2007, 10:54 PM

i see....thanx indeed its very useful...i wonder when we will get like them ??

Cosmin

December 7th, 2007, 10:58 PM

After they outfit all of the RATB vehicles with GPS. That in case we don't have to wait for the traffic management system to be implemented (which I doubt)...

cezarsab

December 7th, 2007, 11:36 PM

yeah...

Spalony

December 8th, 2007, 01:10 AM

In Warsaw we've quite similar:
http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika/63156,86268,9.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/4/4677/z4677204X.jpg

but now they "learning" how fast are Warsaw tram ;)

Alexriga

December 8th, 2007, 09:05 PM

Wow, it looks cooler than London.

sanasa1

December 12th, 2007, 04:12 PM

bucharest just recieved its first citaro II, out of the 500..this new one besides the facelift, and revised rear-end has a/c, xenon headlamps, gps, videocameras mounted on the exterior and interior, lcd screens etc. on it , it says 1000 stars for bucharest symbolizing the 1000 citaros that there are going to be in total

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/9672/mercedes20citaro20220prsl5.th.jpg (http://img75.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mercedes20citaro20220prsl5.jpg)

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/7144/mercedes20citaro20220pryu5.th.jpg (http://img75.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mercedes20citaro20220pryu5.jpg)

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3391/mercedes20citaro20220prim3.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mercedes20citaro20220prim3.jpg)

nebunul

December 12th, 2007, 04:19 PM

^^ Hehehehe I CAN see the AC on these ones … :cheers:

sanasa1

December 12th, 2007, 04:31 PM

and also these new bucur trams are being used on the 41 light rail line, i think there are going to be 100 of them:

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/121/401420linia2041201220dehm3.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=401420linia2041201220dehm3.jpg)

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1172/401420linia2041201220debw6.th.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=401420linia2041201220debw6.jpg)

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/3569/401420linia2041201220deoi6.th.jpg (http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=401420linia2041201220deoi6.jpg)

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/4813/ch20ppc20412011yt1.th.jpg (http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ch20ppc20412011yt1.jpg)

nebunul

December 12th, 2007, 04:40 PM

^^ Looks OK (quite nice actually) until the new ones arrive ... few years :bash:
Any interior pictures?

Edit: the more I look at them the more I like them (as temporary solution of course) :cheers:

sanasa1

December 12th, 2007, 04:47 PM

i totally agree with you, i like them a lot actually. they're no alstom citadis but they're nice anyway. oh and here are more pics:
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6461/dsc05723vd2.th.jpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc05723vd2.jpg)
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1310/dsc02528vo8rk8.th.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc02528vo8rk8.jpg)
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4383/dsc02143mb6fv6.th.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc02143mb6fv6.jpg)
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/2092/306probe04mq3.th.jpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=306probe04mq3.jpg)

nebunul

December 12th, 2007, 05:05 PM

Also http://www.ratb.ro quite OK
So URAC can do a decent job after all ...

sanasa1

December 12th, 2007, 05:11 PM

speaking of alstom, here is their presentation model that they had in ploiesti(for the use of the peaseants from piata obor in bucharest to stink it up with cabbage odour).the interior is the best part...:
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/6411/citadisqr3.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=citadisqr3.jpg)
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7008/dsc03443mc7.th.jpg (http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc03443mc7.jpg)
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8009/dsc03436gk0.th.jpg (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc03436gk0.jpg)
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7311/dsc03439lz3.th.jpg (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc03439lz3.jpg)

nebunul

December 12th, 2007, 05:17 PM

^^ ^^ Come on you … insider:nuts::lol: … when are we going to get these beauties ??????????

Bucharest's turn ... Alstom's offer

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1138/1234hn9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9068/123me6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.cotidianul.ro/index.php?id=16042&art=39716&cHash=22ee566cee

sanasa1

December 12th, 2007, 05:20 PM

depending on who pays off the city hall the best , i think 2009:lol:

JloKyM

December 12th, 2007, 07:26 PM

Prezentare Mercedes Citaro 2, primul din seria pentru Bucuresti, 11 Decembrie 2007...More pictures HERE (http://ratb.metrouusor.com/special/primulcitaro2/primulcitaro2.php?pn=0) :banana::cheers:

nebunul

December 12th, 2007, 07:40 PM

^^ :cheers:

i totally agree with you, i like them a lot actually. they're no alstom citadis but they're nice anyway. oh and here are more pics:
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/2092/306probe04mq3.th.jpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=306probe04mq3.jpg)

So the new swipe/mag system/card has not yet been implemented on trams, I take it? Only subway and buses?!
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/781/cmui8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Le Clerk

December 12th, 2007, 07:43 PM

^^ :cheers:

So the new swipe/mag system/card has not yet been implemented on trams, I take it? Only subway and buses?!
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/781/cmui8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

It's on trams as well, at least some of them....I know it cause I quit driving in Bucharest. :)

nebunul

December 12th, 2007, 07:45 PM

^^ Nice . If they're gonna install it on all "new" Bucur ... will be good :cheers:

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/7886/zzyz5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3937/aajw2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

cezarsab

December 12th, 2007, 07:51 PM

^^ where are they made?

cezarsab

December 12th, 2007, 07:52 PM

Prezentare Mercedes Citaro 2, primul din seria pentru Bucuresti, 11 Decembrie 2007...More pictures HERE (http://ratb.metrouusor.com/special/primulcitaro2/primulcitaro2.php?pn=0) :banana::cheers:

you know romanian??
or just cut/paste it!?

nebunul

December 12th, 2007, 07:54 PM

^^ where are they made?

RO - URAC Bucharest (URAC- Bucuresti reparatii, proiectare si modernizari tramvaie )

cezarsab

December 12th, 2007, 08:08 PM

goood for us..

JloKyM

December 12th, 2007, 08:42 PM

you know romanian??
or just cut/paste it!?

If i concentrate myself i could understand a lot of things in Romanian. I speak French and the two languages are close to each other so..:cheers:

Otherwise this was a copy/paste ;)

ufonut

December 12th, 2007, 10:29 PM

New line + new trams in Gdansk. Electronic time displays are coming in couple months.

http://www.gdansk.pl/g2/2007_12/17604_filebig.jpg

http://www.kfp.pl/jpg.html?b=k00018558.jpg

Pavlo

December 12th, 2007, 10:52 PM

New trams for Kyiv:

http://www.kmv.gov.ua/images/clipart/85104.jpg

http://www.kmv.gov.ua/images/clipart/85102.jpg

http://www.kmv.gov.ua/images/clipart/85103.jpg

http://www.kmv.gov.ua/images/clipart/85105.jpg

Gag Halfrunt

December 13th, 2007, 12:01 AM

New trams for Kyiv:
Do you know who makes them?

Pavlo

December 13th, 2007, 12:15 AM

Siemens, but they will be assembled in Ukraine, at LAZ factory in Lviv.

nebunul

December 13th, 2007, 02:18 PM

Cosmin

December 13th, 2007, 03:11 PM

I'm glad the first Citaro II finally arrived, and I too think those refurbished trams are a good temporary solution for Bucharest, until Bombardier or Alstom bring their jewles.:) I'm eagerly awaiting the introduction of more special lanes for RATB and the implementation of a station information system (see previous posts regarding Zagreb, Warsaw etc.). I hope this measures as well as many others, that I'll not discuss here, will not only make people use public transport more often, but also civilize Bucharesters.

Regarding the new RATB web site... WTF is wrong with those people?:bash: Can't they make a good website? I mean, the new site is just as shitty as the old one - different colors only. RATB's site needs an identity, more information, easier access to information, good maps and so on. I was discussing this with a friend yesterday and gave him two examples of great websites with a strong brand identity, lots of information and all the rest.

The two sites are:
ratp.fr (http://www.ratp.fr/)
tfl.gov.uk (http://www.tfl.gov.uk/)

People, look at the maps (http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/1106.aspx) they have... not to mention TfL's traffic map (http://trafficalerts.tfl.gov.uk/microsite/) which provides you with more information than a Sim City map.:lol: I know I'm aiming high, but again... I don't accept anything lower!

nebunul, what do you think of the service provided by TfL? I'm talking about tube, DLR, bus, tram, rail and even streets etc. I know RATP too well, and i think TfL is even better.

nebunul

December 13th, 2007, 03:47 PM

TFL is pretty decent, however IMO it’s getting worse because of two main factors: underinvestment (or too slow implementation) and huge influx of EEuropeans (and other foreign nationals) since 2004 – and so … more commuters using an already overstretched/overcrowded network. These days I have to wait 3-4-5 minutes (sometimes) for a train. Not to mention multiple signal failures in-between stations … I know in EE terms this may be OK, but as far as Londoners are concerned, is too bloody slow … therefore, not good enough if you ask me; but without the doubt in a different league in comparison to Bucharest’s RATB/Metro

Cosmin

December 13th, 2007, 04:30 PM

These days I have to wait 3-4-5 minutes (sometimes) for a train.
OMFG! Poor you!:lol:
Yes, I understand and agree with you, but you (as Londoner now) and TfL are on another level. If I wait 3 min for a train here I'm like WTF? So soon?. 5 min is rare too.

I'm looking at TfL, RATP and such because we're so far behind them, not because they're perfect, as there's no such thing. Hell, we could even take lessons from New York's MTA AFAIK! We don't have to look only in Europe.:bash:

Le Clerk

December 13th, 2007, 04:32 PM

OMFG! Poor you!:lol:
Yes, I understand and agree with you, but you (as Londoner now) and TfL are on another level. If I wait 3 min for a train here I'm like WTF? So soon?. 5 min is rare too.

I'm looking at TfL, RATP and such because we're so far behind them, not because they're perfect, as there's no such thing. Hell, we could even take lessons from New York's MTA AFAIK! We don't have to look only in Europe.:bash:

In Bucharest trams and subways come every 5 minutes :baeh3:

Cosmin

December 13th, 2007, 04:33 PM

You on crack again?:lol::cheers:

P.S.: forget about TfL, RATP or MTA! Videanu should move his ass to Vienna and beg Wiener Linien for help with public transport in Bucharest.

nebunul

December 13th, 2007, 04:36 PM

5-7 rather ... ^^ He encourages himself :doh::lol: as he's given up driving for public transport ...

Le Clerk

December 13th, 2007, 05:11 PM

You on crack again?:lol::cheers:

P.S.: forget about TfL, RATP or MTA! Videanu should move his ass to Vienna and beg Wiener Linien for help with public transport in Bucharest.

:lol::lol: I am serious man, at least on the line of 41 which I am using daily, but also on the subway lines, trams come every 5 minutes. However, they should come every 1 minute, at least at rush hours, if you ask me.

Cosmin

December 13th, 2007, 05:14 PM

Le Clerk is abusing drugs... time accelerating drugs.:doh::pet:

nebunul

December 13th, 2007, 05:30 PM

He uses line 41 (overground) as opposed to underground … so gravity has lesser effect on his speed … :nuts: :cheers:

joce23

December 13th, 2007, 05:31 PM

The public transport in Constanta (RATC) : http://www.ratc.ro/

cezarsab

December 13th, 2007, 05:47 PM

goood one....
I've never experience RATB in rush hours but i can image how is it!!
i went with all transport systems(metro,bus..etc) in Bucharest metro is the best!
I've been in London's underground system,its not so good as you imagine but its better than bucharest..,i didn't like it lot but its ok...so we should be proud and work to develop what we have..
NICE BUSES ....VIVA MERCEDES!:cheers:

nebunul

December 13th, 2007, 06:50 PM

You on crack again?:lol::cheers:

P.S.: forget about TfL, RATP or MTA! Videanu should move his ass to Vienna and beg Wiener Linien for help with public transport in Bucharest.

Sofia will use Vienna's know-how in the fields of transport technologies, energy efficiency and street lighting. Representatives of both Vienna and Sofia municipalities will take part in a seminar dedicated to the related issues. Austrian experts will acquaint their Bulgarian colleagues with their country's experience in the absorption of EU funds.
http://www.standartnews.com/en/article.php?d=2007-12-13&article=9720

zzibit

December 13th, 2007, 08:31 PM

^^ oh man, cross your fingers Sofia municipality applies at least 10% of the Viennese advice.

Le Clerk

December 13th, 2007, 10:49 PM

Le Clerk is abusing drugs... time accelerating drugs.:doh::pet:

If I am to tape the time split between the moment 41 tram leaves station and the next one comes in the station and then post the movie here, how would you be prepared to bet ? :D:banana2:

Take into consideration that I am to tape the tram station at rush hour and people might get nervous about me playing with the camera while they are waiting the tram to go to work. :lol:

Cosmin

December 13th, 2007, 10:55 PM

As much as I would like to see you get beaten by an angry mob while waiting for the tram (so called light metro... wtv):jk:, I know line 41 is generally on time so we don't have to bet.:lol: But that's just ONE line.

Corneliu

December 13th, 2007, 11:05 PM

If I am to tape the time split between the moment 41 tram leaves station and the next one comes in the station and then post the movie here, how would you be prepared to bet ? :D:banana2:

Take into consideration that I am to tape the tram station at rush hour and people might get nervous about me playing with the camera while they are waiting the tram to go to work. :lol:

just tape your watch man! and the train coming.....don't tape the people..unless you see paris hilton:lol:

apart from that...don't you ever shout Allah Akhbar!!

Le Clerk

December 13th, 2007, 11:07 PM

just tape your watch man! and the train coming.....don't tape the people..unless you see paris hilton:lol:

apart from that...don't you ever shout Allah Akhbar!!

No, they wouldn't understand. Instead, I'll shout: Gigi Becali is giving out bags of Euros for the faithfull. I'll be the only one in the station. :lol:

Cosmin

December 13th, 2007, 11:08 PM

Romanians don't know what Allāhu akbar means.:lol:

Corneliu

December 13th, 2007, 11:12 PM

Romanians don't know what Allāhu akbar means.:lol:

The first time I heard Allah Akhbar I was probably 10 years old...Some movie about Stefan Cel Mare and the turks...thos damn jeniceries:bash:

cezarsab

December 14th, 2007, 08:44 PM

simply it means Dumnezeu e mare(god is great)...

nebunul

December 17th, 2007, 12:01 AM

^^ Nice . If they're gonna install it on all "new" Bucur ... will be good :cheers:

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/7886/zzyz5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Same upgraded trams on route 21 ... new Alstom/Bombardier trams in 2012 :bash:

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1116/ppnq5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

New trams will be purchased in 2012 :bash: However, in March 2008, Alstom, Siemens, Skoda, Bombardier and Konkar are invited to use/test their prototypes on this ^^ route (21)
http://www.evz.ro/article.php?artid=334681#

nebunul

December 18th, 2007, 10:39 PM

City Bus ... made in Romania - Roman, Brasov - http://www.roman.ro/produse.php?menu=8

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4373/b1sn6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/828/b2xy7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ Since 2005. Also technical details http://www.roman.ro/images/17_1_.280_HOCLL_Urban_eng.pdf

KHS

December 18th, 2007, 11:47 PM

Same upgraded trams on route 21 ... new Alstom/Bombardier trams in 2012 :bash:

New trams will be purchased in 2012 :bash: However, in March 2008, Alstom, Siemens, Skoda, Bombardier and Konkar are invited to use/test their prototypes on this ^^ route (21)
http://www.evz.ro/article.php?artid=334681#

Končar Crotram (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=522588) ;)

KHS

December 18th, 2007, 11:58 PM

BTW. Crotram is currently on testing in Helsinki, Finland.

http://www.raitio.org/news/uukuva/feder07_16.jpg,

http://www.raitio.org/news/uukuva/feder07_14.jpg

http://www.raitio.org/news/uukuva/feder07_15.jpg

Pictures are from http://www.raitio.org/news/uutiset.htm

nebunul

December 19th, 2007, 12:00 AM

^^ Yep nice ones :cheers:...

Visit Discover Zagreb - Croatian capital (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=467088) and Croatian Coast (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=519281) :)

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5377/dsc8064sa5.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc8064sa5.jpg) http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3008/dsc8075ut3.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc8075ut3.jpg) http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4370/dsc8077rm8.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc8077rm8.jpg) http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4154/dsc8086qw7.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc8086qw7.jpg)
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/917/dsc8092ny3.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc8092ny3.jpg) http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4666/dsc8096qz6.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc8096qz6.jpg) http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5486/dsc8108av0.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc8108av0.jpg) http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/483/dsc8118px9.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc8118px9.jpg)
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8373/dsc8134jd8.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc8134jd8.jpg) http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3033/dsc8152iy1.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc8152iy1.jpg)

Cosmin

December 19th, 2007, 12:01 AM

I would be happy to see it on our streets, but I prefer Bombardier or Alstom.:)

nebunul

December 19th, 2007, 12:05 AM

I'd go for Bombardier FLEXITY Outlook :cheers:

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2045/fais4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

nebunul

December 19th, 2007, 12:13 AM

BTW I think this is Bombardier's proposed protoype for Bucharest

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5151/12345ou4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

krzysiu_

December 19th, 2007, 12:18 AM

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2045/fais4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)This one is the best I would say!

Cosmin

December 19th, 2007, 12:23 AM

I heard they had some problems with the Flexity Outlook, in Strasbourg.

I like the Flexity Swift K4500, the type that is used by KVB in Cologne.:D
http://www.imagehost.ro/pict/19002112476847d8a17e8.jpg
http://www.imagehost.ro/pict/19002142476847f6550ef.jpg

nebunul

December 19th, 2007, 12:27 AM

Even fatty Alstom is much better than existing :bash: ... so WTF ... just get them in :lol:

Bucharest's turn ... Alstom's offer

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1138/1234hn9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9068/123me6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.cotidianul.ro/index.php?id=16042&art=39716&cHash=22ee566cee

Cosmin

December 19th, 2007, 12:32 AM

Speaking of Outlook... you know there are many models, some of which are quite boxy. The only ones with sleeker, more futuristic design are the ones in Strasbourg (already posted) and Porto (looks more like a metro train). But some of the best boxy Outlook tram are to be found in Graz I think. They're lovely... and the way they silently run on those narrow streets it's just lovely. Damn! I miss Graz.:(

P.S.: don't mind my lamentations.:lol:

Corneliu

December 19th, 2007, 12:34 PM

I'd go for Bombardier FLEXITY Outlook :cheers:

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2045/fais4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

That's in Strasbourg. I used it every morning to go to EP. very classy...like a French lady :)

cezarsab

December 19th, 2007, 02:15 PM

City bus looks quiet goood!!!:cheers:
the tow trams look great..i hope we will get one of them soon..

nebunul

December 19th, 2007, 05:50 PM

Timisoara will have Alstom Citadis before Bucharest :nuts::cheers:

This is the best tram in Europe : in 4 years at Timisoara...mmm :sleepy:
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/4409/tramvaihc1eg7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9775/t1sr9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.evz.ro/article.php?artid=334917#

Dinuś

December 19th, 2007, 10:09 PM

^^Who knows what kind of trams might there be around in four years in Europe and Citadis won't necessarily have to be the suppposedly best one anymore. But I'm just wondering; it sounds kind of weird for me making ordering plans that will be implemented in 4 years, I understand allocating money for the trams in a long run while drafting a budget but knowing 4 years ahead of the delivery sounds strange to me.

nebunul

December 20th, 2007, 12:22 AM

^^ Trams are made individually for every city. So It takes 1-2 years to design a prototype and 2-3 years to manufacture/deliver.

sanasa1

December 29th, 2007, 05:09 PM

here is the completed version of the bucur LF.no interior shots as the people from ratb don't want anyone to see it since its top secret information
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/9292/dsc07209113bt6.th.jpg (http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc07209113bt6.jpg)
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/5044/dsc07237152hw3.th.jpg (http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc07237152hw3.jpg)
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/776/dsc07279201yh6.th.jpg (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc07279201yh6.jpg)

Cosmin

December 29th, 2007, 06:30 PM

^^ Yeah, I imagine a lot of 3rd generation stealth tehnology is used on it. You don't want people poking their noses at the wonder tram, God forbid!:poke:

krzysiu_

December 29th, 2007, 10:02 PM

nebunul

December 30th, 2007, 12:11 PM

here is the completed version of the bucur LF.no interior shots as the people from ratb don't want anyone to see it since its top secret information

^^ ^^ :lol: SHHHHHHHH ... IT'S SECRET :lol:

Even the OLD ones (refurbished/upgraded Bucur) ... below ... look better ...

Same upgraded trams on route 21 ... new Alstom/Bombardier trams in 2012 :bash:

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1116/ppnq5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/7886/zzyz5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

New trams will be purchased in 2012 :bash: However, in March 2008, Alstom, Siemens, Skoda, Bombardier and Konkar are invited to use/test their prototypes on this ^^ route (21)
http://www.evz.ro/article.php?artid=334681#

mitsurughi

December 30th, 2007, 12:20 PM

one thing I really dislike about this tram is the interior lightning. Why in the Lords name did they have to use the same stupid white lightning (neon) on these trams too? In my oppinion the lightning really ads to the feel of a tram, "yellow" light (the same on the irisbus trolleys and citaros) inspires a more cozy atmosphere.
Damn, they really need better designers:ohno: it's the little things that matter.

Also, the design is ... designless? It's like a friggen rectangle cube thing on wheels, they could've made it look more aerodynamic.

Cosmin

December 30th, 2007, 02:50 PM

These trams are a temporary solution. They're nothing more than refurbished and upgraded V3A (if I remember correctly) trams. They're like old, ugly women that underwent plastic surgery to look better... they might look better, but in esence they're the same old shitty ones.

KHS

December 30th, 2007, 02:56 PM

First tram from new series was delivered 3 days ago with some interior changes.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb124/zgheart/IMG_4330.jpg

Zagreb now has 71/140 NT2200 :banana:

Rhemaxos

January 3rd, 2008, 10:20 PM

Same upgraded trams on route 21 ... new Alstom/Bombardier trams in 2012 :bash:

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1116/ppnq5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

New trams will be purchased in 2012 :bash: However, in March 2008, Alstom, Siemens, Skoda, Bombardier and Konkar are invited to use/test their prototypes on this ^^ route (21)
http://www.evz.ro/article.php?artid=334681#

^^ These are only upgraded V3As, while Bucur LH is a 100% new model produced by URAC (the old RATB partner). It's not comparable with the models that Alstom, Siemens, Bombardier or Skoda might bring in but I think it's the best that URAC could design and produce at this moment with the available technologies. And, anyaway, it's much more than a re-faced V3A.

So... Cheers for the new Bucur LH! :cheers:

Render:

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7303/bucurlfmachetata0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

...and live:

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/1409/vagonargintiubislc5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

As regards the 2012 deadline for purchasing latest generation rolling stock... just think that the models that we would all want to see live on our streets are absolutely unable to perform on 60 percent of the existing infrastructure... So substantial works have to be further done before even thinking of replacing our old V3A, V2A, Tatra and Rathbeger models with new and good-looking trams.

sanasa1

January 5th, 2008, 03:41 PM

heres more bucur lf out doing test runs
http://tramclub.org/files/14122007_365.jpg
http://tramclub.org/files/14122007001_113.jpg
http://tramclub.org/files/14122007002_210.jpg
http://tramclub.org/files/14122007003_385.jpg
http://tramclub.org/files/14122007004_190.jpg
http://tramclub.org/files/14122007005_145.jpg
http://tramclub.org/files/14122007006_830.jpg
http://transira.ro/files/dsc07290_147.jpg
http://transira.ro/files/dsc07253_126.jpg

nebunul

January 5th, 2008, 04:33 PM

http://tramclub.org/files/14122007002_210.jpg

http://tramclub.org/files/14122007005_145.jpg

Apart from being outdated (technology more than shapelessness) big time ... I don't even like the colour ... give more colour to Bucharest. We've got enough greyS ...

krzysiu_

January 5th, 2008, 04:40 PM

Are they going sell them to Iraq or smth? Looks like these trams are ready to fight. I don't like it.

nebunul

January 5th, 2008, 04:54 PM

hihihi

^^ We know you do not like it. We do not like it either ... I thought, though, I remind you that this is a temporary solution for Bucharest until the infrastructure is completely repaired/replaced so it can accommodate modern trams due for delivery ~ 2012

^^ ^^ Trams are made individually for every city. So It takes 1-2 years to design a prototype and 2-3 years to manufacture/deliver.

Rhemaxos

January 5th, 2008, 04:54 PM

http://transira.ro/files/dsc07290_147.jpg

Seems more than 60% low-floor to me, isn't it? The wheels configuration still looks classical but, hey, it is the intention that matters! :cheers:

Go, Bucur! :rock:

Apart from being outdated (technology more than shapelessness) big time ... I don't even like the colour ... give more colour to Bucharest. We've got enough greyS ...

Come on, nebunul, don't be so severe with it. Don't mind the colour - it's just a prototype. As regards being outdated... well, I can't deny this but, believe me, in the given conditions URAC made a great job. With some capital infusion and a proper tehnology transfer URAC may have the capacity of producing latest generation vehicles, not only for the needs of RATB but also for export. And don't forget: it's very cheap!

nebunul

January 5th, 2008, 04:59 PM

I agree – given the current technology they’re struggling with, they’ve done a decent job. Hope the colour will be changed though :nuts::cheers: …

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7854/vvtd3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

nebunul

January 5th, 2008, 06:01 PM

RATBucharest history in pictures ... http://www.ratb.ro/index.php?page=meniu&id_rubrica_meniu=13

and map http://www.ratb.ro/download/harti/generala.pdf

cezarsab

January 5th, 2008, 06:03 PM

i think they are ok...the color needs some change thou..

Darhet

January 6th, 2008, 03:16 AM

Pesa 120N (made in Poland- Pesa from Bydgoszcz)New trams for Warsaw:
http://www.przegubowiec.com/galeria/albums/userpics/10113/IMG_7139.JPG
http://www.przegubowiec.com/galeria/albums/userpics/10011/3106-10-29-09-2007.jpg
http://www.przegubowiec.com/galeria/albums/userpics/10015/3111-9-20071123.jpg
http://www.przegubowiec.com/galeria/albums/userpics/10113/IMG_7107.JPG
http://www.przegubowiec.com/galeria/albums/userpics/10100/3105-3107.jpg
http://www.przegubowiec.com/galeria/albums/userpics/10004/3102.jpg
and
123N -new trams for Warsaw (from Poznan -H. Cegielski - Poznań S.A. is a well-known Polish manufacturing company)
http://www.przegubowiec.com/galeria/albums/userpics/10113/PICT0112.JPG
http://www.przegubowiec.com/galeria/albums/userpics/10113/IMG_7148%20a.JPG
http://www.przegubowiec.com/galeria/albums/userpics/10101/2144%2B2145%20%5B25%5D.jpg
http://www.przegubowiec.com/galeria/albums/userpics/10101/2138%2B2139%20%5B22%5D%204.jpg
http://www.przegubowiec.com/galeria/albums/userpics/10101/2138%2B2139%20%5B22%5D.jpg

new bulgaria

January 6th, 2008, 04:59 AM

We need some of these so badly!

nebunul

January 6th, 2008, 01:29 PM

http://www.przegubowiec.com/galeria/albums/userpics/10101/2138%2B2139%20%5B22%5D%204.jpg

Yellow in Bucharest :nuts: :cheers:
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3773/aaabq4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5921/aaaei9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1917/aaany1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Tomesh

January 6th, 2008, 02:15 PM

thank god, the new PESA trams are the first good looking ones in Warsaw IMO

Cosmin

January 6th, 2008, 02:26 PM

I like your PESAs.:)
I don't know what's going on with RATB, how they pick the colors and why they don't try to brand themselves better.

nebunul

January 6th, 2008, 02:30 PM

^^ With the new 1000 CITAROS they can start "branding". But on trams, they need to buy/manufacture a proper brand first ...

Cosmin

January 6th, 2008, 03:03 PM

I wasn't talking about brands of trams/buses wtv. I was talking of branding from the marketing pov. You know... visual identity, company image and so on. Little things that might seem childish, but matter.

Nebunul... think TfL.

asahi

January 6th, 2008, 10:40 PM

http://www.przegubowiec.com/galeria/albums/userpics/10113/IMG_7139.JPG

As much as I like the new tram made by PESA Bydgoszcz, I simply can't get used to this "angry look" in the front :nuts:
Still a nice one though.

CrazySerb

January 6th, 2008, 10:41 PM

Am I the only one who can't see PESA tram photos?:?

asahi

January 6th, 2008, 11:46 PM

I guess so.
Try this link for example:
http://www.przegubowiec.com/galeria/albums/userpics/10113/IMG_7139.JPG

bgrs

January 7th, 2008, 11:48 AM

9 companies applied for the construction bid of Sofia's second metro line

Construction starts Spring'2008 and the line is to be opened in 2011. The line will connect the northern district of Nadejda to NDK and the district of Lozenets. Line 1 and line 2 will intersect at Serdika station. The new line will be 6.4 kilometers long and will have 7 stations. Total cost is estimated to be 145 million euro. The line will be underground only. Station 8 and 11 are not included in the project, so probably the line will have 9 stations altogether - stations 3 to 11 on the blue line on the map:

http://www.metropolitan.bg/images/Map_3_diametra-Model.png

Девет тръжни предложения са подадени във втория етап на търга за избор на главен изпълнител на метрото в участъка надлез "Надежда" - НДК - бул. "Черни връх". На 4 януари упълномощени представители на фирмите отвориха общия пакет с документи пред тръжната комисия. Финансовите предложения, които също се предават, не бяха отворени. От заявеното на 3 септември 2007 г. участие от десет фирми и обединения във втората фаза документи не подаде само консорциум "Актор" АСД - "Терна" АД. Всички останали подадоха оферти. Това са съответно - Impresa Pizzaroti $ C S.p.A и S. E. L. I. Societa Esecuzione Lavori Idraulici S.p.A, Condotte & Ansaldo JV, FCC Construccion S. A., "Дoуш - Мостстрой" джойнт венчър, обединение "Хохтиф" - ГБС, "Метростав" АД, "Обраскон Уарте Лаин" АД, "Джей Енд Пи Авакс" АД, "Геотехмин" ООД.
Председател на тръжната комисия е Боряна Пенчева, директор на дирекция "Управление на средства от ЕС" в Министерството на финансите. Класирането на предложенията се извършва на базата на комплексна оценка съгласно Закона за обществените поръчки, каза Боряна Пенчева. Водеща е цената, за нея кандидатите могат да получат най-много 58 точки. За техническото решение се получават до 33 точки, за срок за изпълнение - 9 точки. Участниците трябва да представят предложение за технически проект, в който ще бъде определен и точният метод на строителство на метрото, което ще бъде изцяло подземно с тунели. В идейния проект се допускат две възможности - по т.нар. нов австрийски метод и чрез хидравличен щит. Метроучастъкът включва 6.4 км дължина и 7 метростанции, като две от тях - станция 8 и станция 11, заедно с тунелния участък не са включени за проектиране и изпълнение.
Участъкът е първият проект, одобрен за финансиране по оперативна програма "Транспорт". Средствата за обекта, които са на обща стойност 145 млн. евро без ДДС, са разпределени по 85% от Европейския фонд за регионално развитие и 15% национално съфинансиране. Тази стойност на проекта е изчислена на базата на предварителна оценка на проекта, направена преди две години при подготовка на документация за кандидатстване за финансиране по еврофондовете, обясниха от "Метрополитен" ЕАД. Договорът с избрания изпълнител ще бъде сключен съобразно условията на ФИДИК. Предвижда се за закъснение да има неустойка от 20% от стойността на договора, посочиха от "Метрополитен" ЕАД. До средата на февруари се очаква комисията да приключи работа и да бъде избран изпълнител на обекта, каза зам.-министърът на транспорта Весела Господинова. Строителните работи ще могат да започнат през пролетта на тази година. Обектът трябва да бъде изпълнен до края на 2011 г.
Предстои до края на януари да бъде обявен и търгът за супервизия на обекта. В момента документите се одобряват от Министерството на транспорта.

Petr

January 7th, 2008, 01:52 PM

^^
Sofia is catching up Warsaw with metro, but this year in Warsaw will be opened stations 18-21 of the first line, and next year they should start construction of the second line which central stretch is planned to be opened for euro2012. :)

One of the stations of the first line under construction:
http://www.metro.waw.pl/images/metro_center_top_oficjalna2.jpg
http://www.metro.waw.pl/grafika/b20a20_23_11_07_6.jpg

Here are companies which want to built the second line, and conditions of the tender:Sześciu wykonawców chętnych do budowy centralnego odcinka II linii metra
Informacje
03.12.2007

Dzisiaj o godzinie 12.00 upłynął termin składania wniosków o dopuszczenie do udziału w postępowaniu na „Projekt i budowę II linii metra od stacji Rondo Daszyńskiego do stacji Dworzec Wileński w Warszawie”.

Do Metra Warszawskiego wpłynęły wnioski następujących wykonawców:

1. Skład konsorcjum:
• ALPINE BAU Deutschland AG – Lider Fűrholzener Straße 12, 85386 Eching, Niemcy
• FCC CONSTRUCCIÓN, SA Calle Balmes No. 36, 08007 Barcelona, Hiszpania
• ALPINE Untertagebau GmbH, Fűrholzener Straße 12, 85386 Eching, Niemcy
• PBG S.A. ul. Skórzewska 35, 62-081 Wysogotowo
• HYDROBUDOWA WŁOCŁAWEK S.A. ul. Skórzewska 35, 62-081 Wysogotowo
• PRG Metro Sp. z o.o. ul. Wólczyńska 133, 01-919 Warszawa
• ALPINE Construction Polska Sp. z o.o. ul. Rzeczna 11, 30-021 Kraków

2. Skład konsorcjum:
• DRAGADOS S.A. – Pełnomocnik Konsorcjum Avda, de Tenerife, 4 y 6, San Sebastian de los Reyes (Madrid), 28700 Hiszpania
• Przedsiębiorstwo Robót Inżynieryjnych POL – AQUA S.A. ul. Dworska 1, 05-500 Piaseczno
• TRAKCJA POLSKA – PKRE S.A. Al. Jana Pawła II 11, 00-828 Warszawa
• VIAS Y CONSTRUCCIONES S.A. Calle Orense 11, 28020 Madryt, Hiszpania
• TECSA EMPRESA CONSTRUCTORA S.A. Avda, de Madariaga, 1, 4, 48014 Bilbao (Vizcaya) Hiszpania

3. Skład konsorcjum:
• VINCI Construction Grands Projets – Lider 5 Cours Ferdinand de Lesseps, 92851 Rueil – Malmaison, Francja
• BILFINGER BERGER A.G. Niederlassung Tunnelbau, D-81379 Munich, Niemcy
• Warszawskie Przedsiębiorstwo Robót Drogowych S.A. ul. Robotnicza 11/13, 02-261 Warszawa
• SIEMENS A.G. Munich, Niemcy
• SIEMENS Sp. z o.o. Warszawa
• WARBUD S.A. Al. Jerozolimskie 162A, 02-342 Warszawa

4. Skład konsorcjum:
• Mostostal Warszawa S.A.- Lider ul. Konstruktorska 11a, 02-673 Warszawa
• ACCIONA INFRAESTRUCTURAS S.A. Avenida de Europa 18 Parque Empresarial la Moraleja, 28108 Alcobendas, Madryt Hiszpania
• STRABAG Sp. z o.o. ul. Brechta 7, 03-472 Warszawa
• STRABAG AG Ortenburgerstrasse 27 9800 Spittal an der Drau, Austria
• Ed. Zűblin AG Albstadtweg 3, D-70567 Stuttgart, Niemcy
• DYWIDAG International GmbH Klausenburger Strasse 9, 81677 Műnchen, Niemcy
• DYWIDAG Bau GmbH Mies-van-der-Rohe-Str. 6, 80807 Műnchen, Niemcy
• Przedsiębiorstwo Budowy Kopalń PeBeKa S.A. ul. Marii Skłodowskiej – Curie 76, 59-301 Lublin

5. Skład konsorcjum:
• Ferrovial Agroman S. A. – Lider Ribera Del Loira 42 28042 Madrid, Hiszpania
• Budimex Dromex S.A. ul. Stawki 40 01-040 Warszawa

6. China National Corporation For Overseas Economic Cooperation (CCOEC) No 6, Fuchengmenwai Avenue, West District, Beijing, Chiny
- Pełnomocnik ECO-PARTNERS Sp. z o.o. ul. Nadwiślańska 92F, 05-410 Józefów

Postępowanie, ogłoszone 16 października, odbywa się według procedury dialogu konkurencyjnego (Art. 60a - 60e Ustawy Prawo Zamówień Publicznych). Spośród zgłoszonych dzisiaj wykonawców do dalszego postępowania dopuszczonych zostanie pięć podmiotów, mających największe doświadczenie w tego typu inwestycjach. Z nimi prowadzony będzie dialog konkurencyjny, który doprowadzić ma do takiego opisania przedmiotu zamówienia, które będzie odpowiadać potrzebom zamawiającego i możliwościom wykonawców. Dokumentacja sporządzona w wyniku dialogu, stanowić będzie podstawę ostatniego etapu procedury – składania ofert.

Spośród podmiotów, które złożą wtedy oferty, na podstawie kryteriów oceny podanych w ogłoszeniu, wyłoniony zostanie wykonawca, do którego należeć będzie realizacja robót budowlano - montażowych wraz z wykonaniem projektów budowlanych i wykonawczych, zgodnych z zatwierdzonym Wielobranżowym Projektem Koncepcyjnym.

Planowane zakończenie procedury wyłonienia wykonawcy i podpisanie z nim umowy planowane jest na przełom I i II kwartału 2008 r.

Przedmiotem zamówienia jest zaprojektowanie i wybudowanie „pod klucz” centralnego odcinka II linii metra w Warszawie od Ronda Daszyńskiego do Dworca Wileńskiego wraz z łącznikiem między I i II linią metra, zgodnie z Wielobranżowym Projektem Koncepcyjnym oraz Programem Funkcjonalno Użytkowym, którego ostateczne brzmienie zostanie ustalone w wyniku przeprowadzonego dialogu konkurencyjnego.

Zaprojektowanie i wybudowanie „pod klucz” centralnego odcinka II linii metra winno zostać zrealizowane w okresie nie przekraczającym 45 miesięcy od daty zawarcia umowy.

Podstawowe informacje dotyczące przedmiotu zamówienia:
• Całkowita długość odcinka centralnego - około 6300 m, w tym:
- 6 odcinków szlakowych o łącznej długości 4200 m
- 7 stacji o łącznej długości z torami odstawczymi oraz pozostałymi
obiektami (komory rozjazdów, komory do zawracania, wentylatornie itd.)
około - 2100 m
• Tunel łącznikowy pomiędzy I i II linią o długości około 500 m
• Połączenie systemów z centralną dyspozytornią na STP Kabaty
• Integracja systemów z I linią metra.

Centralny odcinek II linii metra łączyć będzie Wolę z Pragą Północ. Zostanie na nim zbudowanych 7 stacji: Rondo Daszyńskiego, Rondo ONZ, Świętokrzyska, Nowy Świat, Powiśle, Stadion i Dworzec Wileński.The last news is, the Chinese are out of the tender, because their Polish representative haven't prepared all necessary documents.

An early concept for the entrances of the second line:
http://miejsca.org/2007/andrzej-choldzynski-warszawskie-metro-druga-linia/
http://miejsca.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/metro-warszawskie/Metro-Stacja-Rondo-ONZ.jpg
http://miejsca.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/metro-warszawskie/Metro-Swietokrzyska.jpg
http://miejsca.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/metro-warszawskie/Warszawskie-Metro-Powisle.jpg
http://miejsca.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/metro-warszawskie/Stacja-Metro-Stadion.jpg