^^Good for Warsaw. It seems that only we are stupid and don't buy articulated buses.:bash:

Edit: I took one of the new trains (metro) few weeks ago and I have to say they're quite nice
What? Only now?!:nuts: Man, you need to come to Bucharest more often.:cheers:

I do not take metro normally - walk :D or taxi

The trams are similar to the trams in Vienna, and feature AC.
Total cost: 27 million EURO.

PS: We need such trams in BUcharest, too. !:bash:



Daily Business:
Siemens va livra in Oradea 10 tramvaie moderne in valoare de 27 mil. euro

16 Jan. 2008

Siemens SRL va livra primariei Oradea 10 tramvaie de ultima generatie, in valoare de circa 27 mil. euro pana la finele lui 2009, potrivit contractului semnat cu autoritatile locale, a anuntat miercuri reprezentantii companiei.
"Primul tramvai va fi livrat in luna aprilie, urmat de alte 5 pana la sfarsitul anului 2008 si de restul comenzii pana la sfarsitul anului 2009. Pretul unui tramvai se ridica la aproximativ 2,7 milioane de euro", au precizat reprezentantii Siemens SRL.

Modelul de tramvai care va circula in Oradea este prezent si pe strazile din Viena, autoritatile din acest oras fiind primele din Romania care semneaza un contract cu Siemens pentru sistemul de transport public de tramvaie, potrivit reprezentantilor companiei.

Acestia au adaugat ca fiecare tramvai este dotat cu aer conditionat si are 5 usi mari, care permit un flux bun de pasageri, diminuand astfel timpul necesar opririi intre statii.

"Primul tramvai care a rulat in Oradea acum 100 de ani a fost tot un tramvai Siemens si suntem mandri ca am adus celebrul tramvai vienez in Oradea. Infrastructura sinelor pe care am gasit-o aici este perfecta pentru acest tip de tren si suntem increzatori ca vom incepe sa facem livrari si catre alte orase din Romania", a declarat Wolfgang Hirzi, CEO Siemens SRL.

Tramvaiele Siemens beneficiaza de 4 ani de garantie. Compania Siemens a inclus in pretul lor si instruirea personalului, transportul de la Viena la Oradea, intretinerea si instalarea tramvaielor.

Noul tramvai de la Oradea se numeste ULF, de la termenul "podeaua ultra low floor" (podea ulta joasa) care cuprinde intreaga lungime a tramvaiului, compus din cinci segmente in lungime totala de 24 de metri. Acest format faciliteaza accesul pentru copii, batrani si persoane cu dizabilitati.

Siemens to deliver 10 new trams to Oradea
The trams are similar to the trams in Vienna, and feature AC.
Total cost: 27 million EURO.

PS: We need such trams in BUcharest, too. !:bash:


^^ :cheers:
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8136/tznx5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Photos from the installed Atron - Motorola Dimetra-IP system for passenger informing:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e394/deko1234/DSC_1137.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e394/deko1234/DSC_1181.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e394/deko1234/DSC_1165.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e394/deko1234/DSC_1158.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e394/deko1234/DSC_1156.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e394/deko1234/DSC_1175.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e394/deko1234/DSC_1195.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e394/deko1234/DSC_1199.jpg



:cheers:

"Naiss" ^^ :applause:

Its a very good idea,and nice thing,but if it writes out the times,then would have been a good idea to include a clock too...
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e394/deko1234/DSC_1199.jpg

Its a very good idea,and nice thing,but if it writes out the times,then would have been a good idea to include a clock too...


can be done ... small change in the software

we have those electronic boards in Gdansk as well, on the brand new line.

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4365/chelm5nn0.jpg
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/2947/chelm2gw9.jpg

and our trams on this line.

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/8766/chelm1zl2.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1773/chelm4cw6.jpg
http://www.chris.gdapolis.pl/d/910-1/IMG_6939.jpg
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5424/chelm3mw9.jpg
http://www.siodemka.cyberdusk.pl/photos/chelm/chelm%20(13).jpg
http://www.siodemka.cyberdusk.pl/photos/chelm/chelm%20(8).jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/4556/dsc05558kr4.jpg

by chrisPL, aron48, Dantiscum

we have those electronic boards in Gdansk as well, on the brand new line.

Fantastic! :applause:

The one in zagreb is finally just meant to show the relative times like "3min", but it is still in the test phase so it shows the time (like "12.15") the tram/bus should be on the station, until it gets the correct relative time. Usually this "12:15" changes to "4min" when the system calculates the time needed to get to the station, but as I said, it's still testing and doesn't work all the time, and during the night the displays are off.

In the end, it will just be "3min", "2min", etc.... (except on terminals - there will be "12:15").

Siemens to deliver 10 new trams to Oradea
The trams are similar to the trams in Vienna, and feature AC.
Total cost: 27 million EURO.

PS: We need such trams in BUcharest, too. !:bash:


^^ :cheers:
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8136/tznx5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Found ^^ some pictures …
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/953/o1oq1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8719/o2ze6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2796/o11sf6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


^^ They will be blue & red. First delivery April 2008

well done for Oradea!:cheers:i like em, simple and classy!

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3061/bbbdl9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Found one from Bucharest. Anyone ... with more info about those ^^ displays?

BTW I like more and more this upgraded (temporary as they say:nuts:) trams :nuts: :cheers: ...
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/1885/bb00tl1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1918/bb2hz4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

this is so great for oradea..how come bucharest can't get them??:ohno:anyway, i ve been to vienna and i've seen the siemens ulf and they are great. since the ones in oradea are supposedly the same i got some pictures from railfaneurope:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/at/trams/Wien/ULF/B/2003_06_14_L_43_B_666_Schottentor_GH_klein2.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/at/trams/Wien/ULF/B/2005_02_18_L_1_B_687_Franz-Josefs-Kai_GH_klein2.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/at/trams/Wien/ULF/B/615-wien-mt.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/at/trams/Wien/ULF/B/689_Tram_Wien.jpg

I´am not sure if these Siemens ULF are best for Oradea. These trams are great, but they demand excelent condicion of tram infrastructure and expensive maintainance due to its complicated structural design. I dont know if Oradea can supply all these demands.:ohno:

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/at/trams/Wien/ULF/B/689_Tram_Wien.jpg

^^ Hehe that's the one :cheers:
^Found ^^ some pictures …
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8719/o2ze6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
^^ They will be blue & red. First delivery April 2008

I´am not sure if these Siemens ULF are best for Oradea. These trams are great, but they demand excelent condicion of tram infrastructure and expensive maintainance due to its complicated structural design. I dont know if Oradea can supply all these demands.:ohno:

Well this is what Siemens representative said: “it is good that Oradea has a good infrastructure that can support such trams”

he also said that these trams in bucharest would not work

I personally hope that Oradea don´t ordered this version.

http://www.mp-video.at/ULF/VT2/GROSS/VT2_gr_13.jpg
http://www.mp-video.at/ULF/VT2/GROSS/VT2_gr_6.jpg
:lol::nuts::lol:

in romania anything is possible lol

I´am not sure if these Siemens ULF are best for Oradea. These trams are great, but they demand excelent condicion of tram infrastructure and expensive maintainance due to its complicated structural design. I dont know if Oradea can supply all these demands.:ohno:

Oradea upgraded it s tram infrastructure in the last 2 years so that modern trams can run on.
indeed, can be a problem with the maintainance s costs, as these kinda trams are complicated. BUT the tickets are already the most expensive in the country, 1,5 lei/trip-aprox. 0,3 eurocent and maybe will rise...

Oradea upgraded it s tram infrastructure in the last 2 years so that modern trams can run on.
indeed, can be a problem with the maintainance s costs, as these kinda trams are complicated. BUT the tickets are already the most expensive in the country, 1,5 lei/trip-aprox. 0,3 eurocent and maybe will rise...

Only 0.3 €? Lucky you, in Zagreb it's 1,40€...

he also said that these trams in bucharest would not work

^^ That is why will take few more years to get the new ones for Bucharest ... so get used with .. ZA Bucur LF ... prototype :nuts::cheers:
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6650/bbbbmc0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Oradea upgraded it s tram infrastructure in the last 2 years so that modern trams can run on.
indeed, can be a problem with the maintainance s costs, as these kinda trams are complicated. BUT the tickets are already the most expensive in the country, 1,5 lei/trip-aprox. 0,3 eurocent and maybe will rise...

^^ 4 years warranty, spare parts and transportation from and to Viena ... as stated in the purchase contract :cheers:

Only 0.3 €? Lucky you, in Zagreb it's 1,40€...

What about bus/underground tickets ... they're both under 1 Euro in Bucharest .. though may go up soon ...

Edit:
Actually I have got ZA numbers:
Bus/Tram/Underground ... 0.3€


Hei guys form Bucharest, am I right?!

oh yay the bucur lf:badnews:

^^ If they use different paint ... I am sure will look OK :cheers: Let's wait and see ...

Only 0.3 €? Lucky you, in Zagreb it's 1,40€...

Yes but all primary school, high school and university students as well as all senior citizens (retired) have free public transportation. :cheers:

Do you have possibility to pay public transportation with your mobile phone? SMS?

18.01.2008.

http://nettitv.mtv3.fi/nettitv_uutiset/index.shtml/nettitv_uutiset/uutiset?120629#120629

:cheers:

Do you have possibility to pay public transportation with your mobile phone? SMS?

Considering it is almost 4 times more expensive than Bucharest's... you should have free breakfast on your public transport :nuts: :cheers: ...

Anyway, they've implemented a new swipe card system + bought 1000 Citaros ... so will have to wait for some more gadgets


http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/781/cmui8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I dont know why, but I dont like this Bucur too :ohno:

I don't ... but is manufactured by a maintenance company ...

Actually I dont like the front. It looks so outdated. :ohno:

I'm not sure whether was it discussed here (google showed nothing) but here it is:

Solaris Gecko

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/9/4651/z4651259X.jpg

For me it looks a bit like Siemens Combino but bit more slick.:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Combino_Poznan_RB2.JPG/800px-Combino_Poznan_RB2.JPG


Let's hope it will be as successfull as Solaris Urbino buses :). Production will begin in 2008/2009

A tram is being designed by Solaris, Polish bus making company. There are approx. 4000 Solaris buses in all over the europe (in western europe: Berlin - 200, Oslo - 70, Switzerland - 170, Dresden - 60) . (more stats HERE (http://www1.solarisbus.pl//files/attachments/firma/solaris_urbino_trollino_2008.01.17.xls)) Solaris is the first european bus company to have hybrid bus ready for mass production (4 sold to germany for testing purposes). They look like this: http://e.autokrata.pl/a1085/62f134dc000c125e45928fa5

Solaris powered by CNG buses are also famous for getting burned - I think 4 out of 21 got burned in Slovakia in just 2 years. But, there are also 29 CNG powered Solaris buses in Poland and in years not a single one got burned. First two burns were caused by faulty parts supplied by Delphi or Bosh, I can't recall right now.. Next two ones are being investigated.

Currently Solaris is planning to build a factory in India. There will be a new bus designed for that market - a cheaper one. Solaris Urbino is too expensive. Estimated yearly bus count: 1000.

Solaris is our national pride,great vehicles, I can't wait Solaris Gecko, it looks so cool :)

Solaris is our national pride,great vehicles, I can't wait Solaris Gecko, it looks so cool :)

For me, Solaris is THE best manufacturing company in Poland. The only one with international success really.

It's like Skoda for Czech republic. Skoda is definetly bigger, but... owned by VW.

Germany - we love Urbino

Monachium and Hannover are another German cities (after Bremen. Lipsk, Dresden,and Bochum, Polish Warsaw and Swiss Lenzburg) to have hybrid buses made by Polish Solaris.

Monachium i Hanower to dwa kolejne miasta, które chcą kupić od Solarisa jego najnowocześniejsze autobusy hybrydowe Urbino. Do zakupów przymierza się też Warszawa
Urbino spełniają niezwykle restrykcyjne normy czystości emisji spalin, są przy tym ciche, oszczędne, komfortowe.

Monachijskie przedsiębiorstwo komunikacji miejskiej kupi na razie jeden najnowszy autobus Solarisa, czyli Urbino 18 Hybrid z elektryczno-dieslowskim napędem. Pojazd ma trafić na ulice Monachium w czerwcu, a kosztuje ok. 440 tys. euro. (Monachium poza tym kupuje też "tradycyjne" Urbino). Jedną "hybrydówkę" Solarisa zamówił też Hanower.

Solaris Bus & Coach jest pierwszym w Europie producentem autobusów z napędem hybrydowym wdrożonym do seryjnej produkcji. Szczególnie spodobały się one Niemcom. Kupiły je już Drezno, Lipsk, Bochum i Brema, ale też szwajcarski Lenzburg. A co na to polskie miasta? - Już niebawem pojazd ten będzie testowany przez m.in. Miejskie Zakłady Autobusowe w Warszawie - zapowiada Krzysztof Olszewski, prezes Solarisa.

Źródło: Gazeta Wyborcza Poznań

^^ they look really impressive as much as cool!

Bochum buses:

http://infobus.pl/files/15306/m5.jpg

http://infobus.pl/files/15306/m6.jpg

:cheers:

For me, Solaris is THE best manufacturing company in Poland. The only one with international success really.

:yes:

It's like Skoda for Czech republic. Skoda is definetly bigger, but... owned by VW.


Hopefully, i would like to see this company, making the cars in the future. If they are so succesfull making buses, why not to try with ordinary cars? :)

Hopefully, i would like to see this company, making the cars in the future. If they are so succesfull making buses, why not to try with ordinary cars?

Not very near future. Cars require service a service network = lot's of money. Furthermore - Solaris does not make it's own engines. I think as a car manufacturer they would have to start to.

I think that trucks are much more propable, but still - not anytime soon.

:yes:




Hopefully, i would like to see this company, making the cars in the future. If they are so succesfull making buses, why not to try with ordinary cars? :)

I think they should now focus on their new baby - Solaris Gecko. Polish PESA produces great trams, I bet Solaris can compete with them.

Not very near future. Cars require service a service network = lot's of money. Furthermore - Solaris does not make it's own engines. I think as a car manufacturer they would have to start to.

Not a really big problem in this times, you can get engines through the agreemnt with other producers, the same as with retail or service network. Of course it will not happen in near future, i just said, that i would love to see 100 % Polish manufacturer competing with other cars producers :)

I think that trucks are much more propable, but still - not anytime soon.

could be.

I think they should now focus on their new baby - Solaris Gecko. Polish PESA produces great trams, I bet Solaris can compete with them.

I'm almost sure they will!

I hope that Solaris Gecko will be a better tram than PESA.

I think that they start from quite same level. Trams are just between railbuses and buses. Solaris is almost 9 times bigger than PESA though... (in terms of company capital/stammkapital/kapital zakladowy; Solaris: 13mln euro, PESA: 1.5mln... For comparison: VW - 774mln euro, BOSH 1200mln euro)

PESA makes railbuses that are trully gorgeous:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/ED59-01.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Pesa.ed74.jpg

I hope that Solaris Gecko will be a better tram than PESA.

PESA makes railbuses that are trully gorgeous:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/ED59-01.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Pesa.ed74.jpg

those are trains

those are trains

Whoops, my mistake. Goergous anyway ;)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/SA132-009.JPG/800px-SA132-009.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/SA103_Railbus_Opole.jpg

correct railbuses ;)

It will be only better! We need companies to compete between each other, then i'm sure they will be very succesfull not only in Poland, as well in other europeans contries!

Another 50 of latest 500 Citaros (CCTV, AC, Euro4, BlueTec diesel, GPS etc etc) in use from today :cheers:

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5505/c1zj8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://beta.evz.ro/articole/detalii-articol/3255/Bucure%25C5%259Ftenii%2Bau%2Btestat%2Bnoile%2Bautobuze%2BMercedes/

Another 50 of latest 500 Citaros (CCTV, AC, Euro4, BlueTec diesel, GPS etc etc) in use from today :cheers:

Fantastic! But the seats... :ohno:

Yeaah the seats are crap (comfortable though - some say) on all public transport :bash: ...

Yeaah the seats are crap (comfortable though - some say) on all public transport :bash: ...

I believe for Bucharest they're a good choice if you take into consideration how stupid some people are. + don't the other kind of seats deteriorate much faster and more notably than these ones?

^^ Don't agree: there are tons of "stupid" people in London - they set seats on fire, scribble on them, paint them etc. ... But companies know that this is part of the business and they can not turn against the majority for few fuck ups committed occasionally ... and also they know how to protect/maintain their property

^^ Don't agree: there are tons of "stupid" people in London - they set seats on fire, scribble on them, paint them etc. ... But companies know that this is part of the business and they can not turn against the majority for few fuck ups committed occasionally ... and also they know how to protect/maintain their property

I see, true indeed.

Business Standard:
22 ianuarie 2008

Astra Vagoane Calatori Arad (Romanian based company) will supply CFR Calatori, passenger division of railroad company Caile Ferate Romane (CFR), with 34 new high-speed rail cars worth RON 120 million (€33 mln), each costing some €950,000.

The first five rail cars were put into circulation yesterday on 2 Intercity trains from Bucharest to Timisoara. CFR plans to expand Intercity transportation by upgrading travel conditions.

The rail cars can reach speeds of up to 160-200 km/h, and are equipped with air conditioning and passenger information equipment, TFT -19’’ screens, and meet European transport standards.

^^ Remember this? :cheers:

BTW the piece of resistance is CFR business class (in use since December 2006)

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2903/bussinesshq6.png (http://imageshack.us)

BTW www.transylvaniaexpress.com

Najmlađi tramvaj na zagrebačkim ulicama:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e394/deko1234/DSC_1292.jpg

This is the first tram from second batch of 70 NT 2200! (2271)
Coming to number of 140 NT 2200 very soon!

:banana::banana::banana:

Siemens engaging in big sales in Slovenia and Romania
http://www.wienerzeitung.at/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=4082&Alias=wzo&cob=323653

The Slovene railway agency Slovenske zeleznice has ordered 12 locomotives of type "Taurus 3" worth 47.7 million Euros from Siemens Austria.
The contract that was signed last Friday provides for their delivery between April and September, 2009. The contract also has an option for the purchase of an additional 20 locomotives.
The agency said that the new locomotives would replace current ones 30-to-40 years old that were proving unable to cope with increasing freight traffic.
The agency will finance five per cent of the purchase price out of its own funds and use credit to pay the remainder.

Siemens Austria has announced a second big deal. It has sold ten "ultra-low-floor" (UFL) trams to Romanian city Oradea, its first sale of them abroad.
The contract is worth 27.5 million Euros, and the trams will be delivered to that city in western Romania between May, 2008 and June, 2009. There are already 150 such first-generation ULF trams in operation in Vienna.

CFR needs some Taurus locomotives as well.

isn t it strange that a big city like Constanta rid of it s tram system (because they thought it s too expensive) and some other cities like Oradea invest in developing this kind of public transport even buying new generation of trams?!

What do you expect from Mazare? He bought double-deckers for tourists ... makes me laugh :lol: ...

I’ve always liked Iasi trams ... old but nice (from Switzerland and Germany)

Old Romanian trams
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3185/iasi01yy2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5483/iasiht5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5083/iasirz5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4563/iasivi4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/9928/iasioz0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7060/iasino0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



See you ^^ in Iasi :) :cheers: ... http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=539173
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^^ Stuttgart Linie 15 (4)
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A GT 4-Railcar in Stuttgart Main Station
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GT4 in Iasi
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2126/i2du3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/1623/i1rp0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

More under way; see pictures on http://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/stz/page/detail.php/1615720

he still doesn t know what civilisation means.

See you ^^ in Iasi :) :cheers: ... http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=539173
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A GT 4-Railcar in Stuttgart Main Station
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GT4 in Iasi
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2126/i2du3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

More under way; see pictures on http://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/stz/page/detail.php/1615720

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8336/39726651ou1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Just found out that will be 31 trams (GT4-Railcar) in total ... and they've already left ^^ Stuttgart for Iasi :cheers:

^^ ^^
^^ 25 trams for 7500Euro/each + another 6 for 5000Euro/ech. Good deal :cheers:

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7526/01qn9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Yesterday ^^ in E-Austria near Hungary ...

Interior
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6356/i1jy9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^
As Stuttgart put the Stuttgart Stadtbahn standard gauge light rail system in operation from 1985 onwards, some surplus GT4 cars were sold to other cities:
Iaşi (Romania) - 61 cars
Augsburg - 40 cars
Halle - 38 cars
Nordhausen - eight cars
Ulm, Halberstadt, Brandenburg an der Havel, Arad (Romania) and Kochi (Japan) - unspecified numbers

nice interiors! and good condition, as it seems.

^^ For 7500Euro/each you can not get any better than this :cheers: ...

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/2271/zzum5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Primaria Municipiului Bucuresti va organiza la sfarsitul lunii aprilie o noua licitatie pentru achizitia a 100 de tramvaie, dupa ce licitatia din toamna a fost anulata, pentru ca niciun participant nu a respectat conditiile impuse. "In februarie va trebui aprobat bugetul Primariei, iar la sfarsitul lunii aprilie vom putea organiza licitatia", a declarat Gheorghe Udriste, directorul directiei generale de infrastructura si de servicii publice din cadrul PMB. Primaria se afla acum in stadiul de contractare pentru un consultant care va trebui sa actualizeze caietul de sarcini al licitatiei anterioare. Pentru licitatia anterioara s-au inscris constructorii Bombardier, Alstom si Siemens. Reprezentantii Bombardier si-au anuntat disponibilitatea si pentru a doua licitatie la care vor participa cu un model bazat pe platforma Flexity si al carui pret de pornire este de 2,5 mil. euro si include si mentenanta.

zf.ro :banana:

^^ Basically... another :nuts: bid to take place in April 2008 :cheers:
Bucharest - "new" bid for 100 trams is to be re-announced soon. Technical/price conditions are to be improved

^^ For 7500Euro/each you can not get any better than this :cheers: ...

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/2271/zzum5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


^^ ^^
GT4 (Route 15) from Stuttgart ... Welcome to Iasi (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=539173) :cheers:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1838/ii1vn3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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Same tram in ... Iasi
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8234/iiind2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

and ... Stuttgart
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/994/iiiili5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

arata super, costa cat un logan! dar sper sa stearga reclamele alea in germana:lol: un pic de demnitate totusi

^^ Oldies But Goldies :cheers:

^^He he! Bun asa. I like the trams, and at just 7.500 EUR it's a bargain. Good deal, Iaşi!:D

^^ 10.000 Euro/each for transport :nuts:. Still very cheap considering that the new ones would cost around 2mil Euro. And it's pointless to buy any before the infrastructure is rehabilitated/replaced

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Urban Traffic Control Project, Bucharest - project value: circa 21,000,000 Euro Design and installation of a state-of-the-art UTC system - To be completed by June 2008

"Bucharest traffic will be managed by a control center, starting next year. Satellite surveillance of the ambulance, fire fighting and police vehicles, so that they are given green light towards the intervention area, as well as intelligent traffic light control to unblock crowded crossroads electronically are but a few of the characteristics of the new traffic management system.

Once the structure rehabilitated, the traffic management system introduces three priority systems. The first priority level is for the ambulance, fire fighters and police along with the other state authorities that must intervene rapidly, according to the legal provisions. A GPS system will give green light to the ambulance or the firefighting vehicles in order to avoid unpleasant incidents, Bucharest's general mayor Adriean Videanu told a news conference on Sunday.

According to the traffic management project the traffic lights of the central areas of the city will be computer-assisted, the big crossroads will be rehabilitated and refurbished with video cameras and the transportation means of Bucharest Public Transport Authority (RATB) will be monitored via the satellite.

Traffic management project will begin in mid August (2007) with the reconfiguration of two important crossroads in Bucharest. They will be equipped with an intelligent traffic light system, able to make decisions such as changing traffic lights duration based on the information received by video cameras and the priority requests by the ambulance, fire fighting or police or public transport vehicles.

All the 100 crossroads in the center of the city and those on the north-south traffic axis will be similarly equipped, Bucharest general mayor informed."




^^ First two "intelligent crossroads" ... already ON :cheers:

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8092/56089140xt7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Same system already implemented in London :nuts:, Paris, Dublin, Madrid, Torino etc

http://www.evz.ro/article.php?artid=322942#

^^ Another 25 "intelligent crossroads" completed ... The rest of 75 TBC by May/June :cheers:
http://www.romanialibera.ro/a117319/semafoare-inteligente-in-100-de-intersectii.html

Siemens (website) confirmation ...

Siemens Austria receives first export order for ULF ultra-low-floor trams
Romanian city of Oradea orders light rail vehicles worth EUR 27.5 million
http://transportation.siemens.com/ts/en/pub/newsline/newsline/press_2008/2008/21_01_2008.htm

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ULF, the Ultra Low Floor tram built by Siemens, will soon be able to show off its advantages outside Austria. The west Romanian city of Oradea has just placed an initial order with the Mobility Division of Siemens' Industry Sector for ten of these trams, which have the world's lowest entry height of only 19 centimeters. It is the first export order ever received for the Vienna-built ULF tram, is worth EUR 27.5 million and also includes vehicle maintenance for a period of four years.

The trams are identical to the ones already in service in Vienna. They are scheduled to be handed over to OTL, the urban transit operator in Oradea, between May 2008 and June 2009. This Romanian city, which is located close to the Hungarian border, has three tram lines covering a total of 44 track kilometers. The ultra-low-floor trams weigh about 30 metric tons and are designed for a top speed of 70 km/h. 150 first-generation ULF trams are currently operating in the Austrian capital. Recently, Siemens started to deliver another 150 trams of the second generation.

The ultra low entry height of the ULF tram is the result of the adopted design principle that uses so-called portal frame running gear instead of conventional bogies. In this case, vertically arranged electric motors drive each wheel individually and are capable of recovering the energy generated during braking and ensuring for a high degree of running smoothness. Thanks to the low step height and extra wide doors, considerable time savings can be achieved during passenger exchanges at stops and therefore overall travel times kept as short as possible.

So Oradea will have modern trams before us.:)

You’ve got to wait till April … Bombardier, Alstom or Siemens ?!
http://www.zf.ro/articol_158812/primaria_capitalei_reia_licitatia_pentru_100_de_tramvaie.html

So Oradea will have modern trams before us.:)

Oradea had many things before Bucharest and other bigger cities, like automatic machines for buying tickets, automatic ticket-nippers in busses or trams, automatic machines for parking spaces all around the city- about the last one Bucharest can only dream.:cheers:

Ok, ok... I get it, no need to stick it in our face.:D:cheers:

The city is currently running tender procedures.



Primaria municipiului Constanta intentioneaza sa cumpere, in luna aprilie, 65 de autobuze cu podea joasa pentru reteaua locala de transport in comun, contract estimat la aproximativ 20 milioane de euro (70,6 milioane de lei), inclusiv TVA, se arata intr-un anunt al institutiei, preluat de Mediafax.

Autobuzele vor fi achizitionate prin leasing, termenul limita pentru depunerea ofertelor fiind 4 aprilie.

Pentru a participa la licitatii, ofertantii trebuie sa indeplineasca mai multe conditii, printre care o cifra anuala de afaceri pe ultimii de trei ani de minim 10 milioane de lei si sa fi livrat in Romania cel putin 30 de autobuze de acelasi tip cu cel din oferta.

Conform anuntului, 50 de autovehicule trebuie sa fie de capacitate mare, iar 15 cu capacitate medie.

^^finaly!
but what city in Romania has articulated busses from the new generation?! don t remember one:nuts:

Articulated buses are "forbidden" in Romania. Double articulated ones are really Sci-fi.:bash:

Wegmann trams in Timisoara ( http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=448013
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Business Standard
19 februarie 2008


Train car manufacturer Romvag Caracal, part of the International Railway Services (IRS) group, controlled by businessman Cristian Burci, will sign a contract with German national railroad operator Deutsche Bahn (DB) to supply train cars. IRS and DB signed a deal to build 6,000 new train cars by the end of 2009.

According to Ion Dinoiu, General Manager of Romvag, the company plans to invest some €11 million in 2008. “We will invest in technology to build more train cars and to improve the quality of delivered goods,” said Dinoiu.

He added that Romvag will hire German-speaking specialists. “We must change the mentality of our employees, in order to become more exact and disciplined, based on the German model, in order to be successful in this collaboration with Europe’s most demanding clients,” Dinoiu added.

Among Romvag’s main clients are Touax from France, VTG from Germany, and GE from England. IRS took over the company in 2004.

Romvag (http://www.romvag.ro/index.html) makes freight wagons, not passenger carriages. I'm not sure if this qualifies as public transport news. :)

^^It does qualify as public transport if you have a bunch of guys trespassing the border on a freight train.:shifty:

http://www.vokrugsveta.ru/img/cmn/2007/08/080.jpg

http://www.gudok.ru/index.php/news/9988
Siemens в декабре поставит РЖД первый скоростной поезд для линии Петербург-Москва

По словам В.Андреева, к декабрю текущего года РЖД завершит создание инфраструктуры на линии Санкт-Петербург - Москва в рамках организации скоростного движения.

First "Velaro Rus" train by Siemens will be delivered to Russian Railroads in december 2008.
Completion of upgrade of Moscow-St.Petersburg line that will allow trains to move at speed up to 300km/h is also scheduled to december 2008.

Bucur LF during tests
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the public transport in piatra neamt: http://neamt.stfp.net/

^^ :nuts:

^^:lol:

Bucur LF during tests


^^ Is this some kind of renovated old trams ?

Yeah, an old fart of a tram that they've pimped.:bash:

Yeah, an old fart of a tram that they've pimped.:bash:

^^ Same in Sofia ... The first renovated (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=18066884&postcount=209) must start carrying passengers from 15 March. There must be another 17 farts delivered after that. :bash:

So to what extent were they reconstructed? In Szeged(mainly because of lack of money)they convert buses into trolleys and such...old trams get feedback-systems...

Yeah, an old fart of a tram that they've pimped.:bash:

^^ one (more) month to go :soon:...
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=18066594&postcount=567

Well Turnovec, one modern tram is up to a couple of millions euro. Pretty expensive machines, one renovated at least BG ones are about half a mil. But if the suspensions is soft, the engines are better and economical,with AC(as they promised) and they are noiseless- with a good paint job it will be something. I saw one of the test-units in Sofia and ..not that bad.

^^ Of course they are not that bad Ivanski :) I also saw the test tram on Vitoshka last week. But the calculations are not like that - Each one of those renovated trams costs about 0.83 mil EUR ... while a brand new from the croatian beauties costs 1.8 mil EUR. I would have chosen 8 brand news instead of 18 pimped up old farts always ... but i am not BB to make those decisions :)

Not that much of a difference, especially on the exterior.:puke: I think the one in Sofia looks better on the outside than ours.:)

^^ Of course they are not that bad Ivanski :) I also saw the test tram on Vitoshka last week. But the calculations are not like that - Each one of those renovated trams costs about 0.83 mil EUR ... while a brand new from the croatian beauties costs 1.8 mil EUR. I would have chosen 8 brand news instead of 18 pimped up old farts always ... but i am not BB to make those decisions :)

Well I've heard BB saying that the full price of ours is 0.6 mil euro and the offers for a modern reach 2mil and more. Zagreb trams are cool but if we have 8 of them - that's what a line and a half.. just not enough. Other important thing is that they're renovated here with Czech parts- at least is some kind of production :) If the units are cool may be there's a chance all Bulgarian-made units (of those class) to be renovated too. They're not the best thing ever I agree but it's some progress. AFAK Dupnitsa plant will start assembling about a 100 trolley-bus cars by Russian license per year - that's some definetely good news and we have traditions in such production . I think they will look something like that http://www.rus-parts.ru/liaz_52802.htm -they're not the most high-tech looking ones but It's some improvement after all. Аnd the EE region isn't that pretentious so I guess we will export some.

Not that much of a difference, especially on the exterior.:puke: I think the one in Sofia looks better on the outside than ours.:)

^^ I agree ... though they're both quite similar :)

Sofia's "old fart"
http://images23.snimka.bg/005055027-big.jpg

Bucharest's "old fart"
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3174/11nc8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


... and IMO existing trams in Bucharest look better than ^^ :nuts: . Maybe it's just ZA wrong ^^ colour :nuts: ... will wait and see ...
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6279/z1kk7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8698/z2ry8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ Bucharest's "old fart"
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3174/11nc8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
^^ Is this some kind of renovated old trams ?
Yeah, an old fart of a tram that they've pimped.:bash:
Sorry, but this one is a ~65% lowfloor new tram, (a prototype, for accuracy), no parts from previous vehicles are used...

^^ Definitely not better "looking" than existing … these ones I mean …
However I understand that there are two different things: tram and light rail
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/749/72412780rv3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

...& this one is a reconstructed tram, 2xTatra T4 based.

Because of the URAC status*, they can not clame the Bucur LF as a new product. The future of this tram type is uncertain.
*URAC (Uzina de Reparatii Atelierele Centrale) - the repairs & maintenance division of RATB, is not legally qualified to produce any kind of new vehicle.

by next year we will already have the first lot of the 100 new trams so it's all good. one more month to go and we'll know who will be the winner

Because of the URAC status*, they can not clame the Bucur LF as a new product. The future of this tram type is uncertain.
*URAC (Uzina de Reparatii Atelierele Centrale) - the repairs & maintenance division of RATB, is not legally qualified to produce any kind of new vehicle.

^^ Well thanks for already known info ... but we were being just nice. This "prototype”:nuts: is IMO actually crap and proves again the "improvise as we're good at everything" Romanian "winning" mentality. Personally I do not like half-done things. I grew up in an improvised society: improvised cars (DACIA), improvised tools (my father was so good at it:bash:), improvised cooking trays (mom:) could still bake good Easter/Christmas cakes), improvised electrics, toys, governments, foods (see soy-salami (mage of soybeans) which is a big hit in ZA West nowadays; though, I can not say the same about “nechezol”* - coffee substitute (communist’s:bash: idea) made of oat : drool :)

So may point is this: why "produce" (improvise) something if you're not even allowed to (produce new)?! Not to mention they’re crap at it …

teddyted thanks for info and rest assured I'm not having a go on you but on our society's mentality that is still stuck in Middle Ages ...

* nechezol from verb a necheza ((en) to neigh ) – to describe the potential state of mind of those who would drink such crap (“coffee”) :lol:

I agree, however some fellow forumers may have a go on you, nebunul, for not being politically correct and saying we're stuck in the Middle Ages when in fact we're stuck in 18-19th century.:lol:

^^ OK be it 19th century :lol::cheers:

Dont underestimate Yourselves fellow Romanians;)
I think Yous and us Poles are at least at the beginning of XXcentury ;)

... English understatement ;)

Electronic tickets system to be implemented at several stages till the end of the year

The municipality needs about EUR 4.7 mln more to finish the project and is perhaps going to take a bank loan.

About 100 machines for "charging" the electronic tickets will be installed. They will look like ATMs.

Till July, 1, the electronic tickets system will be operational in 450 trams and trolleybuses. Initially, 16 points of sale for the new tickets will be available.

Till the end of the year, all buses, trams and trolleys will operate with electronic tickets.

Paper tickets will still be valid for a certain amount of time

Близо 4,7 милиона евро са необходими за допълнителните технически решения, с които ще се модернизира градския транспорт в София, съобщи изпълнителният директор на Столичната компания за градски транспорт Николай Костов.

Ще се оборудват 100 места, подобни на банкомати, където гражданите да зареждат електронните си карти за таксуване.

Промяната започва с електротранспорта - до 1 юли в 450 трамваи и тролейбуси ще заработи системата за електронно таксуване, каза Костов. На първо време се разкриват 16 бюра за издаване на електронни карти и се монтира софтуерът на чешката фирма "Микроелектроника", която преди три години спечели международния търг.

Стойността на доставката е около 3 млн. евро - 2,2 млн. подарък от холандското правителство и доплащане на остатъка от общината.

За допълнителните 4,7 млн. все още няма решение дали ще се осигурят чрез банков кредит или по друг начин, обясни директорът на столичния транспорт.

До края на годината в системата ще бъдат обхванати и автобусите. Временно ще се използват паралелно и хартиените билети, но гражданите, които ги предпочитат, ще се качват само от първа врата и ще се таксуват на момента. Ще се опитаме да съкратим времето на едновременното действие на старата и новата система, защото се създават неудобства, каза Николай Костов.

Той не вижда причини за сериозно поскъпване на преференциалните карти за възрастните хора и за учениците, но въпросът ще се реши по думите му "справедливо", когато бъдат направени всички разчети. Картите ще бъдат срочни, примерно месечни, и ще се презареждат след изтичане на този период.

От изчисления зависи и въвеждането на зони за електронно таксуване. Столичната компания все още няма точни разчети кои линии как се натоварват, кои маршрути и участъци са най-използвани, в кои часове и т.н., обясни директорът.

What do they mean by "electronic tickets"? A so called contactless smartcard based on RFID tehnology, like Oyster in London or Activ in Bucharest?
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/7599/26180120949ff0f1589jq4.jpghttp://img514.imageshack.us/img514/6264/dsc00002eh6.jpg

Btw, even though I have fewer problems with the card itself, what do you guys think about its design? I mean... look at Oyster: nice colors and fonts, strong brand image, simple and modern design - a treat for the eye and marketing done well. Now look at ours: ugly colors and fonts, almost no brand image... RATB is awful at this anyway, the map looks edited in paint and just pasted over and I'd say antiquated '80s design. It's just like our Bucur LF tram, it does the job... but why not look good also?:ohno:

*Yeah, my ocasional small problems, I know...:nuts:

^^ I agree ... but I think we should look at the bright side ... we've got a modern system ... good designS come with time and experience :cheers:
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/729/111id0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

BTW what does RATB mean? Do they operate all kinds of transport or only rail one? I'm asking because of that "R" letter from the abbreviature? Or it is more something like RATP in Paris?

Anyway I can't tell you whether this is gonna be a RFID card or smartcard, can't find any info on that. I prefer a smartcard system thiough, because RFID cards are susceptible to frauds (e.g someone with portable reader bumping into you and cloning your card later on)...even though it's more convinient, RFID technology generally suck, especially in places like Bulgaria.

BTW what does RATB mean? Or it is more something like RATP in Paris?


yep

We indeed have a modern integrated ticketing system, BUT... it's in use for like 2 years now and it's still not used at it's full potential.
-They only now started to think about installing card vending machines, and only in the metro; we'll have to wait for overground.
-The card readers at the metro should be different from the ones installed in overground means of transportation; at the metro it would be more convenient to just swipe your card on a horizontal reader than on a vertical one. (But I'm dreaming now... this is a minute problem)
-Fare & pass system is dumb... in fact, it's the same system that was used with the old tickets/cards, only now you can have 'em on the same piece of plastic.
-Not enough selling and recharging point. Not to mention that even if you find one, there a ~25% chance the computer doesn't work. Happened to me about 5 times at different points.:bash:
-Especially at the beginning it was occasionally very hard to validate the card. It took you up to 5-7 swipes. This has now been dealt with; at least I rarely have problems.
-It's many times almost impossible to validate the card in a packed Citaro for example.
...plus other things that don't come to my mind now. Overall, yes, it's a good and modern system, but I'd like to see more being done FASTER!:)

bgrs, RATB (Regia Autonomă de Transport Bucureşti) is the autonomous public transport company of Bucharest. It operates overground means of transportation (trams, trolleys, buses) only. Metrorex is the metro system operator. All other rails are operated by SNCFR, which handles passenger/freight rail traffic at national level; we have no regional train system like the RER... c'mon, that's too advanced a concept for us.:lol:

They've been talking of joining RATB and Metrorex under a metropolitan transport authority for years now, and since elections are coming, they started talking about it again, but nothing was really done.:bash: I trust this things are very familiar to you though.:lol::cheers:

nebunul, it's not really like RATP, as they operate overground + metro + a part of the RER.

It's many times almost impossible to validate the card in a packed Citaro for example.
...plus other things that don't come to my mind now. Overall, yes, it's a good and modern system, but I'd like to see more being done FASTER!:)

They should look at London (again: nuts :) - or other cities) ... entrance/swipe card only through driver's side/door (only) ... get off the bus through middle/back door (only )
I have to say that London/UK is the only city/place (I know of) that people queue (proper organised) at the bus stops and taxies :applause: ...

Anyway I can't tell you whether this is gonna be a RFID card or smartcard, can't find any info on that. I prefer a smartcard system thiough, because RFID cards are susceptible to frauds
A RFID card is a type of contactless smartcard. I guess you're referring to contact smartcards. And there's always a possibility of fraud, with any system. I just think that the benefits in this case outweigh the risks.

nebunul, we talk about sci-fi stuff again I see.:nuts: I've thought this over and over, and I agree with you, the solution is simple, but it will not work in Bucharest for the following reasons:
1) congested buses and traffic which means that people will feel annoyed if they have to queue just to get on the bus;
2) we're simply don't like to follow simple rules; we have to be fined into submission;
3) this means there will be a flow of people inside the bus going from the front door towards the middle and back doors. This is hard logic for half of Bucharesters, man... trust me.:nuts:

And btw, they do the same in Paris (as well as other cities). They queue at the front door, show the pass to the driver of validate the ticket (I know they now have RFID cards also) and they hop off through the back door (only 2 doors on RATP buses). It works like charm. But buses in Paris are not that packed even at rush hour(s), which is not the case with Bucharest.:puke:

Overall it's only a mentality problem.:bash:

And btw, they do the same in Paris (as well as other cities). They queue at the front door, show the pass to the driver of validate the ticket
Overall it's only a mentality problem.:bash:

I am sure there are many other cities where they queue at the bus stop – so I might’ve jumped the gun a bit :nuts::) … though I meant a bit more than a simple queue: imagine tube strikeS (as last week in Berlin) and millions of people on the streets trying to get to/from work … imagine total "chaos" and only busses and taxis available … but … surprise surprise … people were queuing in a civilised (and quiet) manner as nothing has happened … and I am taking hundreds of meters long queues … for buses and taxis ...

Hundreds of meters*?! I doubt it, probably tens of meters, but I got the point. Well, this is not possible in Bucharest at the moment. I'm not saying we shouldn't try, but my hopes are not too high. And of course, nobody will actually try.:)

*Btw, you fake Brit, you should be writing metre, not meter.:devil:
:lol::cheers:

They should look at London (again: nuts :) - or other cities) ... entrance/swipe card only through driver's side/door (only) ... get off the bus through middle/back door (only )
I have to say that London/UK is the only city/place (I know of) that people queue (proper organised) at the bus stops and taxies :applause: ...

You can add Barcelona. The catalans are quite organized.

^^ :)
1954
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2007
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^^ :)
1954
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2007
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:nuts:

Ok !!! I got the point !!! :lol:

Maybe they are not SO organized !!!

A RFID card is a type of contactless smartcard. I guess you're referring to contact smartcards. And there's always a possibility of fraud, with any system. I just think that the benefits in this case outweigh the risks.

That brings out the main problem with RFID systems. The information from the RFID tags can be read from a certain distance (usually 20-30 centimeters) and you don't need to have a physical contact with it.

Furthermore, most RFID tags do not encrypt the data they send. Some do, but they are much more expensive and thus unlikely to be used as tickets in public transit.

Cloning RFIDs is easy.

RFID-based "authentication" is used to control physical access to some areas, buildings, etc (incl. the office where I work, heh). But there are usually a limited number of people allowed to get in, as well as guards and cameras, thus even if you clone someone's RFID card, you'd probably meet difficulties getting in. While the public transit system is used by thousands of people with no cameras, guards, etc.

Now imagine you've just paid to "charge" your card for 3 months. Some stupid idiot incidently "bumps" into you. He had a USB RFID reader and a pocket PC in him. He clones the card and rides free. Or sells cloned cards, etc.

That's why I prefer the chip-based smartcards - they cannot be "cloned" just like that.

I know what you mean. I'm just saying the chances of that happening are slim, thus the benefits outweigh the risks.

Hey guys … BTW I feel I need to mention/clarify this: I’m not/feel English … I AM ROMANIAN … AND PROUD OF IT :banana::cheers::banana:

It was just a joke anyway, don't worry.:lol::cheers:

the new tram and bus stop in Wrocław (Rondo Regana)

by m3ntor

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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2210/2334708147_d0431997c8_o.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/ostrava/wro/t1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/gesah/PG_MSI.jpg

Ronalda Regana? Ronald Regan?:lol: I like it, looks modern and simple.

^^Looks lovely
I think im gonna take a walk and see for myself:)

Wegmann trams in Timisoara ( http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=448013
)

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2179/t1ac0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5581/t2om8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^
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^^Timisoara deserves better trams :)

Yeah, an old fart of a tram that they've pimped.:bash:

... old fart update :lol:
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9379/ttgp9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
More pics on http://www.dopravni.net/view.php?cisloclanku=2007041602

These trams look like they could resist a nuclear attack.

^^:nuts: made me laugh :rofl:

Don't you dare laugh at the Robocop tram!:rant:
:lol::cheers:

Don't you dare laugh at the Robocop tram!:rant:
:lol::cheers:

send these babies to Bagdad.

lately finished metro station Slodowiec is waiting for first passengers
http://www.zw.com.pl/galeria/238666.html
http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika_zw/26402.jpg

http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika_zw/26410.jpg

http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika_zw/26408.jpg

http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika_zw/26411.jpg

http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika_zw/26412.jpg

http://www.metro.waw.pl/grafika/a20b20_2_04_08_3.jpg

Architect Stefan Choldzynski in cooperation with grapchic artist Wojciech Fangor http://www.culture.pl/en/culture/artykuly/wy_wy_fangor_malarstwo_csw designed 7 stations of the second metro line.
Here are main facts from the article in Polish http://www.zw.com.pl/galeria/8,238652.html :
On the walls of the stations are planned giantic screens (4 m * 120 m) on which we'll see graphics of Fangor as a background. Graphics will coresponde with the names of the stations. Those screens will be used as an exhibition spaces for the modern art. New stations will be actually modern art galeries. In the meantime on the screens we'll see views from the cameras installed on the surface, what is supposed to give us feeling, that we're in fact on the ground level. There is still disargreement between the designer and the subway operator if advertisements should occupy 5 or 20 % of the screens. ;)
new visualizations
http://www.zw.com.pl/galeria/238652.html
http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika_zw/26399.jpg

http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika_zw/26389.jpg

http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika_zw/26482.jpg

http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika_zw/26398.jpg

http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika_zw/26387.jpg

http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika_zw/26393.jpg

http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika_zw/26395.jpg

http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika_zw/26396.jpg

http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika_zw/26390.jpg

http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika_zw/26383.jpg

http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika_zw/26400.jpg

http://m3ntor.info/zdjecia/miasto/rondo_reagana/15.jpg


Really cool signs ^^

Traffic congestion in Russia’s Winter Olympic city, Sochi, is being eased slightly with the use of the country’s new GLONASS navigation system.

Russia’s answer to the GPS system will be fully operational before 2010, but commuter buses in Sochi are getting it early to help navigate through the city’s increasingly heavy traffic.

Drivers say they are happy there’s no more need to use a microphone to name stations, now it's done automatically by means of the satellite system.

Virtual tours may become a useful option in a city that stretches for 150 kilometres along the Black Sea coast.

But the system also has a different purpose. As a two-way link to each bus, it helps traffic controllers establish the vehicle's location, its speed and fuel consumption. So in case of serious traffic jams the buses can be easily redirected.

The Sochi commuter bus tracking network utilizes both the U.S. GPS and the Russian GLONASS navigation systems.

Designed for guiding soviet strategic missiles, GLONASS was launched in 1982. For a long time it was used only for military purposes. It's expected that there will be up to 24 satellites in the system by the year 2010.



http://www.russiatoday.ru/features/news/23335

oradea has recieved its first siemens ulf
http://video.bihon.ro/members.mojo2jojo/flv-Tramvaie%20noi_flv.flv/viewer.html

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These are new trams or it's just modernization. If they are new, they just simply sucks..

oradea has recieved its first siemens ulf
http://video.bihon.ro/members.mojo2jojo/flv-Tramvaie%20noi_flv.flv/viewer.html
Great news. Too bad that Bucharest didn't get to be the first city to use a modern tram, but great news nonetheless.:D

The livery and tram model are identical to the ones used by Wiener Linien (Vienna).

they're brand new , btw these siemens ulf could not be operated in bucharest anyway because of the different type of tracks

These are new trams or it's just modernization. If they are new, they just simply sucks..
It's true they lack a more appealing design, but trust me - that tram doesn't suck. I rode it in Vienna several times and it's a good tram. Besides, they're ultra low floor, they have the lowest floors in the world. A totally useless thing to have in Oradea if you ask me... better fix your sidewalks and roads first (the same goes for the entire country).:lol:
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/8135/ulfuw2.jpg

These are new trams or it's just modernization. If they are new, they just simply sucks..

Just shut the fuck up :lol:

How rude of you to say something like that.:hilarious

Let me show you something really scary ...that's 70's homemade tram ...
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh231/Ivanski_sf/424_1202115240.jpg
If Mad Max was pushing a tram tru the Australians desert ^^ that would be the one.. :lol:

Only it wouldn't have paint on.:lol:

These are new trams or it's just modernization. If they are new, they just simply sucks..
In what sense? :sly:
They look like average modern low floor trams...

It's true they lack a more appealing design, but trust me - that tram doesn't suck. I rode it in Vienna several times and it's a good tram. Besides, they're ultra low floor, they have the lowest floors in the world. A totally useless thing to have in Oradea if you ask me... better fix your sidewalks and roads first (the same goes for the entire country).:lol:
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/8135/ulfuw2.jpg

Apparently they’ll run one tram … free:banana: … for a week :cheers:
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3015/aaoc8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8577/bbls5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ Oradea ..."tramvai in proba" :)

^^

:applause: :okay:

^^ Oradea deserves it :cheers:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=17761908&postcount=95

proud of Oradea:banana::banana::banana:

^^ video new tram http://www.tvtransilvania.ro/media-Social-1125.html
First tram will be (officially) in use on 23 April :cheers:

can t wait travel with it! in may, certanly i ll tell u my impresion.:)

Trust me, it's a good tram.;) Nice to see that we've finally stepped into the 21st century on this chapter too. I'm really happy for Oradea.:cheers:

But... have they modernized the tracks? They seem to be ok on TV, but you never know. Modern trams require good tracks. Using them on those bronze age tracks we have would mean trouble.

the tracks were changed , actualy the whole infrastructure on the main roads with tracks. including wires underground.

Oh, that's great then!:cheers: Two more pictures...:D
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9577/panoutramvaisb6.jpghttp://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8929/interiortramvaijv9.jpg

Nothing special in the interior but it looks very nice from the outside. Congrats :) That's the type of trams I like - modern but no weird futuristic like in some WE cities.

proud of Oradea:banana::banana::banana:

... electronic displays :cheers:

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/6268/aaait2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9816/orgc4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

thanks nebunul!
i know a while ago OTL implemented the GPS system on all public transport. it was about time to have ariving time displays on each station.:cheers::banana:

^^ and new tram stops U/C :cheers:
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6866/oodj3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/8387/oo1ah8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/8383/oo2qt6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The displays on the 41 line in Bucharest don't work anymore. They worked for a few months, but since... They still display the RATB messages, but not the time when the next tram will arrive ... :(
They're pretty easy to reprogram, i don't know why they leave them like this :(

A few shots with RATB's Citaro buses in Bucharest.:)

Glooowiiing:eek:
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1838/4645330001172kw3.jpg

Hot pieces of (bus) ass:naughty:
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7792/dsc05346865yp0.jpg

To ze aaairport!:runaway:
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/9141/dsc07182139cq6.jpg

Citaro convention:grouphug:
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/3680/dsc07102123xo6.jpg

In Romană Sq., near my university (ASE):cheers:
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2256/dsc05699759mk4.jpg

You are here:?
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2377/dsc05342157fp4.jpg

A few shots with RATB's Citaro buses in Bucharest.:)

Hot pieces of (bus) ass:naughty:
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7792/dsc05346865yp0.jpg


So sexyyyyy:lol::lol:



I dont know about Bucharest, but in Sofia many stops have displays.:cheers:

Transport in Constantangeles, everything, movies: http://youtube.com/user/stakeee

Const-Angeles ....:hilarious....love it :lol:

I hate that 300 bus :| So crowded. Yesterday i had to wait a LOT for it, and when it came, i could barely get in... lots of people remained outside. Lucky for me i spotted another two 300s coming right behind, so i got down the first one and got on the 3rd one at "Povernei station".

There are still some important routes that are not using the Citaro busses. Mostly the ones that don't go through the city center. I think the 282 line should be replaced ASAP, because it's one of the most used lines, and the Citaro's have a lot more room inside...

and a little off-topic: @cosmin, you're studying at ASE? What section?

Updated CFR website (loads of pictures :)) http://www.cfrcalatori.ro/index.php?q=listagalerii&id=5&s=1&b=on&names=Vagoane&tab=6#

Business
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2797/bbuz4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^^^
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7122/bbjm7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9092/bbak2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^They're nice, but AFAIK CFR Business class is a total failure.

Fallen, I'm at the Faculty of Cibernetics, Statistics and Economic Informatics (CSIE), Economic Informatics department.

^^They're nice, but AFAIK CFR Business class is a total failure.


I would not say so. They're fine. Not best but ... not a failure though ... no way !!! :cheers:

The trains look very good, but i hope at least the business men in Ro are a bit more civilized than the usual guys who ride the train and talk loudly, and eat "semintze"... nice trains but stupid people doesn't make me wish to ride the train...

@Cosmin, if you're going to tell me that you're in the 2nd year and in the D serie, it would be very funny :))

How long is it since you last took the train. I haven't experienced 'marlani' since a long time (and I go by train at least once every 2 months). I enjoy it.

nebunul, from an economical stand point they seem to be a failure. I read that the ridership is almost 0.

Fallen, I am in the 2nd year, but it the C series.:lol:

I had to go to Targu Neamt, but there was no direct line, so i took an IC to Pascani. The train was brand new, looked great, i was happy. But then, guess what?
A group of workers got on the train. They started eating "seminte" (damn, i can't remember the word for this), and shouting at each other, from one side of the wagon to the other... they were drinking beer from 2Lt PETs and they were bothering everyone around. Almost everyone, since there were also some other people who were doing kinda the same thing as the workers ...

Anyway, i hope the "good" manners of the romanian masses will improve soon, cause even if economically we're gaining on the Western Europe, from the mentality point of view, we're lagging behind a lot...

A group of workers got on the train. They started eating "seminte" (damn, i can't remember the word for this), and shouting at each other, from one side of the wagon to the other...
It's called seed cracking, or more precisely, Sunflower seed cracking and it's a very popular national sport.:banana:
:bash::bash::bash:

Apparently they’ll run one tram … free:banana: … for a week :cheers:
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3015/aaoc8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ Oradea ..."tramvai in proba" :)
Free ride :)
umaf-rZpDp0

It's called seed cracking, or more precisely, Sunflower seed cracking and it's a very popular national sport.:banana:
:bash::bash::bash:

Halbere is more popular. I've read somewhere that we're about to beat the germans at the beer consumption/capita. But looking at the rankings in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_beer_consumption_per_capita i think that we have a long way to go till then. Damn, i should've told those stupid workers on the train to drink more :bash::bash:

It's called seed cracking, or more precisely, Sunflower seed cracking and it's a very popular national sport.:banana:
:bash::bash::bash:

It's a popular sport, but not a national one..... You should visit Spain :nuts:

They practice this sport too?:doh:

^^ South European - Middle Eastern national sport :lol:

Apparently they’ll run one tram … free:banana: … for a week :cheers:
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3015/aaoc8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8577/bbls5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ Oradea ..."tramvai in proba" :)

Eh...OTL are cel mai nasol sistem de control biletelor...credeti-ma...Am stat 16 ani in Oradea, si din cls a 6-a pana in a 11-a mergeam si veneam cu tramvaiul la scoala...(intre "Stadion" si Casa de Cultura a Sindicatelor, unde 1 si 4 au linie comuna--pt pescarush si altii care cunosc). Cel putin pe vremea aia au inceput sa faca controale de genul: se oprea tramvaiul intre 2 statii si vreo 5-6-9 controlori intrau si lua la purecat orice...Nu va zic ce nasol era cand te grabeai sa ajungi undeva...Asa o aiureala nu cred ca mai exista in vreun oras din tara...:ohno:...Tovarasul Lupau de la OTL e unul din cei mai injurati oameni din Oradea chiar si acum...stiu ce vb...am aflat insa k si acum controlorii exceleaza in nesimtire...Intradevar s-au refacut tramele stradale si s-au cumparat tramvaie noi...dar st convins ca datorita "mancatorilor de semintze" si a "foarte civilizatilor" controlori, oradenii nu sunt si nu vor fi foarte multumiti de transportul in comun din Oradea. Sunt convins!

They practice this sport too?:doh:


pipas !!! Some how I feel better when I see them :lol:

We've got a TV commercial for a bottled water brand here in Croatia that was apparently shot in Bucharest metro... :)

If it's on Youtube or a similar site, we'd appreciate it if you could post it here, snupix. Thanks!:cheers:

If it's on Youtube or a similar site, we'd appreciate it if you could post it here, snupix. Thanks!:cheers:

I doubt that there is, but I'll try to catch it on TV and post it... Can't promise, though, it's a tough task :)

It would be interesting to see it.:D Cheers!:cheers:

April 24 (Bloomberg) -- Bombardier Inc., Siemens AG and Alstom SA are among the companies bidding for a 33 billion-ruble ($1.4 billion) contract to build a tram network for the Russian city of St. Petersburg and it suburbs.

Bombardier, the world's largest maker of trams and subway cars, is bidding to build the 30-kilometer (18.6-mile) network project in partnership with Paris-based Vinci SA, St. Petersburg Governor Valentina Matviyenko said today in announcing the six bidding groups.

European and Asian trainmakers and construction companies are all jockeying for a share of Russian contracts as the government spends heavily to rebuild its crumbling road and rail infrastructure. Russia's state-owned rail company said it plans to spend as much as $400 billion to overhaul its network.

Among the criteria for the winning bid, to be by announced by Dec. 25, will be how much local production the bidders will commit to, Matviyenko said in St. Petersburg, Russia's second largest city.

Alstom SA, the world's largest trainmaker, has put together a bid with French construction company Bouygues SA. Munich-based Siemens is partnering with Russia's Basic Element and Austrian construction company Strabag SE. Two other bids are led by Italy's Ansaldo STS SpA and Tokyo-based Mitsui & Co. Ltd.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=ar4k87pEKu_s

http://www.rzd-partner.ru/u/site/shit/express.jpg

http://www.artiumstudio.ru/video_shots_01.jpg
Video

http://www.artiumstudio.ru/video_popup.php?flvurl=nadz_ex.flv

http://trehgranka.metro.ru/other/lj/42_2008-04-26/630_na_linii_01.jpg
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http://trehgranka.metro.ru/other/lj/42_2008-04-26/630_na_linii_13.jpg

Wow... what are those machines? :)) I know about Bucharest public transportation.. now Oradea, Timisoara plans to follow the capital. That's good, too bad Constanta is way, waaay behind... soon we'll have no trams at all. :(
About electronic displays and GPS... totally utopic :nuts: Damn it!

Most of the busses in the Netherlands are free for several days now (not weeks in a row but some seperate dates) which is because of a strike form the drivers. I really like this kind of strikes ;) but now they are planning to shut down all the lines for some days during the exams. This is only the case when they are still not happy with there salaries.

who produces moscow trams?

who produces moscow trams?

Ust-Katav based (Chelyabinsk Oblast) UKVZ:

http://www.ukvz.ru/