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cmd uw
June 30th, 2005, 06:43 PM
This is some good news for downtown E-town.

Big, new storeys for downtown?
Developer touts twin-tower condo plan as upscale replacement for gravel lot

Paula Simons
The Edmonton Journal
June 30, 2005

The vision of turning historic 104th Street into downtown's vibrant residential and retail neighbourhood has always been a bit of a dance: two steps forward, one step back.

Grand plans are frequently announced, but don't always come to fruition. Despite the success of several loft redevelopments, the burgeoning farmers' market and the construction of a new condominium, the street still has gaping holes, including the boarded-up Cecil Hotel, and the big, ugly, gravel-topped parking lot behind it.

Now, the final pieces of the puzzle are starting to fall into place.

Edmonton lawyer John Day, who owns the Cecil and the adjoining properties to the west, is currently fine-tuning plans to knock down the derelict hotel and redevelop a parcel along Jasper Avenue as a two-storey commercial retail project. Watch for a formal announcement later this summer.

Meanwhile, Langham Properties Ltd., an Edmonton-based condominium company, will soon announce plans for a boldly ambitious residential development, the Icon, on that gravel lot north of the Cecil and east of the Coast Edmonton Plaza Hotel.

Langham president Reza Mostashari and his partner, Medi Nasseri, are proposing to build twin towers, each 30 storeys high. The first tower would have 142 condominium apartments, while the second phase would hold 160 units.

The draft designs for the Icon show two, tall, slim towers, set far back on a four-storey brick-faced pedestal, to create the effect of a heritage building at street level. The first level would hold pedestrian-friendly retail space for shops and restaurants. The next levels would house 20 open-concept lofts. In all, there would be about 322 units, ranging in size from 54 square metres to 360 square metres and priced from $160,000 to $1 million.

Mostashari hopes to sell the Icon to people across the market spectrum.

"I genuinely want to be building downtown," he says. "Edmonton doesn't have the core that a city of a million people should have. If the whole city is like a suburb, it doesn't develop a character."

A development of this height and density -- the biggest, tallest residential project the downtown core has ever seen --will provoke controversy, especially in a heritage neighbourhood, where fiercely protective residents are passionately committed to preserving the street's unique cultural legacy.

This January, city council passed strict new zoning regulations, which require any new development to conform to certain heritage design standards. At the time, some developers complained, and loudly, that the rules would make any new buildings too costly.

Langham, though, intends to comply with all the new regulations, without seeking any concessions or variances from the city. Mostashari, who has been working closely with city planners, says he welcomes the tough design rules, because they'll encourage him to build a better building and they'll protect the special nature of the street, allowing his project to hold its future value.

"I think that 104th Street is a very charming place, even though it is in the middle of downtown. It has a residential feel to it, but it's very close to all the downtown stores and restaurants. It feels like you're in New York or another big city," he says.

"There are not many sites of this calibre left in our city. Since this is a unique site, I thought the development should match it in terms of uniqueness. This building won't just be attractive by Edmonton standards. It will give you the feeling you live in a world-class city."

The towers, Mostashari promises, will be "works of art," with gently curved sides and glass curtain wall construction, the reflecting glass tinted a delicate shade of gold.

The buildings would be carefully angled so as not to block each other's sight-lines.

The architect for the Icon is Fraser Brinsmead, who designed Langham's last major project, the Omega, a handsome new blue-and-white, 64-unit condo at 105th Street and 99th Avenue, now almost complete. When Mostashari started work in 2002 on the Omega, his first highrise, more seasoned developers questioned the wisdom of gambling on such a building downtown. But Mostashari says the Omega's strong sales vindicated him and inspired him to launch the Icon venture.

While other developers have been leery of building high-end condos downtown, Langham obviously sees potential in this long-barren site that others haven't. Perhaps that's because Mostashari, who arrived in Edmonton from his family's home in England at the age of 17 to study electrical engineering at the University of Alberta, represents a new generation of young developers, one more willing to take risks, less spooked by the ghosts of Edmonton's boom-bust history.

"I don't remember the National Energy Program," he says, with a smile.

"It's good to be cautious. But you have to base your plans on objective economics, not on the chance of some calamity. I'm not saying this is going to be a slam-dunk. It's going to be a challenge. But the economic indicators I see all look very positive."

If Langham does pull this off, if the Icon really lives up to its architectural billing, this project could gives our city centre the critical mass it needs to truly blossom. We need both population density and architectural elegance downtown. Mostashari is promising both. His is a big dream, but then, our downtown needs big dreamers

Mock
June 30th, 2005, 07:02 PM
Is there a rendering in the Journal?
I'm liking the gold talk, Scotia Place alone does not satisfy my gold appetite. :)

Koz
June 30th, 2005, 07:16 PM
Right on right on! Great news.

coldrsx
June 30th, 2005, 08:00 PM
cannot wait to see renderings.....

EdZed
June 30th, 2005, 08:53 PM
Is this by Oliver Square and that college?

SDfan
June 30th, 2005, 08:57 PM
Any exact heights?

coldrsx
June 30th, 2005, 09:22 PM
downtown core is the site...no details yet i dont think.

cmd uw
June 30th, 2005, 11:07 PM
Heights, no details as of yet.

Lets assume the following:

Main floor (Retail) - 12 feet x 1 Floor
Lofts - 12 feet x 4 floors
Apartment condo 10 feet x 25 floors
Space between floors 1 foot x 30 floors

Approx. = 340 feet

One could add another 10-20 feet if there is a roof ornament or structure.

coldrsx
June 30th, 2005, 11:20 PM
...airport overlay....

cmd uw
July 1st, 2005, 07:35 AM
That height is still under the overlay specifics.

Nanaimo Bars
July 1st, 2005, 08:03 AM
I would love to see this, High End Condos in any city's Core is awesome! I think Edmonton is a awesome city and I would love to see density! It is one of the Big six but does not get the attention it deserves!
Please keep me posted! Edmonton rocks!

cmd uw
July 20th, 2005, 07:43 AM
Ta-da...the application for the Icon project on 104 Street has been submitted.

To construct two Apartment buildings with ground floor General Retail (277 residential units).

Location: 10130 - 104 STREET NW
Plan NB1 Blk 4 Lots 187-191 - DOWNTOWN
Applicant: BRINSMEAD ZIOLA KENNEDY ARCHITECTURE
Application Date: 7/14/2005

ssiguy2
July 20th, 2005, 05:31 PM
Well done Edmonton. I'm coming to your fair metropolis in August but haven't been there in 10 years. I'm looking forward to seeing how your city has changed.
From what I hear I will be pleasantly surprised.

big W
July 20th, 2005, 05:36 PM
What are the dates that your visiting our city?

cmd uw
July 20th, 2005, 11:45 PM
Yes, let us know when you are coming and if you are willing to meet up with some of us Edmonton forumers.

ssiguy2
July 21st, 2005, 03:56 AM
Love to. Not sure of the date. Late August probably.

Nanaimo Bars
July 22nd, 2005, 09:06 AM
When is the best time to visit Edmonton? Of course I have been before but when are the festivals in both Edmonton and Calgary?

itom 987
July 22nd, 2005, 09:14 AM
Summer time is the best time to check out Edmonton.

Nanaimo Bars
July 22nd, 2005, 09:24 AM
Thank you sir! I have always been a bit of a rebel so I have only visited Edmonton in March! Of course this was mostly due to my friend who wanted to be a Doctor and went to UBC but found out he could not handle the sight of blood! So like most asians who cannot become gynecologist he became a accountant!

itom 987
July 23rd, 2005, 09:26 AM
It almost dosn't matter what specific day in summer you choose to visit Edmonton. Most likely there will be something going on, there is also the chance of having more than one thing going on at the same time. For example Klondike Days and the World Masters Games are on right now. Last weekend Edmonton Grand Prix and the Street Preformers Festival were on. Before that it was Street Preformers, the Works, and a Jazz festival. You get the picture...

coldrsx
July 23rd, 2005, 04:54 PM
July 15-Aug 20 is the best...

cmd uw
July 23rd, 2005, 07:36 PM
Here's a good place to check out and see what's going on around Edmonton.

http://www.tixonthesquare.ca/IndexSetup.lasso

But one thing is for sure, between June and August, you're bound to find something.

valantino
July 26th, 2005, 05:36 AM
"the reflecting glass tinted a delicate shade of gold."

better than the cheap beer bottle brown/bronze colour