Hi,

I would like to know which of the world's metro systems run air-conditioned trains. I only know for sure about Singapore.

Are there air-conditioned trains in your city or do you know about other cities?


Here's the updated list gained from the posts below:

Athens (ROTEM type trains), Victoria station
Baltimore
Barcelona (since 1992)
Boston
Brescia (under construction)
Brisbane
Cairo (5 a/c stations)
Chicago
Delhi
Fortaleza
Guangzhou
Hongkong
Kuala Lumpur
Lisbon
Los Angeles
Madrid (type 2000, 3000, 7000, 8000 trains)
Manila
Melbourne
Miami
Milan
New Jersey PATH
New York MTA (experimental service by late 1940's, system-wide by the 1970's)
Oslo (T2000 type)
Perth (since 1991)
Philadelphia
Porto
Rome
San Francisco
Singapore 1987, all underground stations
Sydney
Toronto
Turin (under construction)
Vancouver
Vienna
Washington, D.C.

all Chinese metros (?)

Barcelona all metro trains since 1992.
;)

Chicago

All trains for Kuala Lumpur. I'm very sure all South East Asian ones have them.

delhi metro is fully airconditioned

NY MTA is Airconditioned as well as the New Jersey PATH (Port Authority Trans Hudson) train.

There has to be some sort of Air "conditioning" in all subway systems right? Whether its hot or cold relevent to the climate of the surroundings.

New York City started experimental service in the late 1940's. It was system wide by the 1970's.

I think Athens metro line 2 and 3 are air-conditioned. Not sure though

Most of Melbournes trains are AC, exept the older hitachi sets, but those are nearlly all phased out.

New York City started experimental service in the late 1940's. It was system wide by the 1970's.

But it gets so hot in there without A/C's how did people travel in them?

I'm sure every city in the world has air conditioned metro trains - what a strange question?

I must admit, I love public transport. I love walking out of an airconditioned train or bus and into the thick humid heat - you know your alive!!

In Oslo, the T2000 wagons aircondition, also the new italiano trams rolling on the streets of Oslo.

In Milan they are making a revamping of old convoys, they're installing air-con on every train
New lines in project will have trains with air-con too

In Rome new trains they bought have air-conditioned system

And in Turin and Brescia (where new metro systems are u/c) trains will have all air-con on board...

For other Italian cities with metro I can't say anything; really I don't know...

There has to be some sort of Air "conditioning" in all subway systems right? Whether its hot or cold relevent to the climate of the surroundings.
No, I was thinking of cooling systems only.

There are many metro systems in cool climates which only have heaters but no (cooling) air-conditioning.

Toronto does. I don't think Montréal does. I remember being hot in it once. London Underground doesn't. It can get up to 40c in the hottest times of the summer. Very hot when people are pressed up to you.

Guangzhous metro has it...

I'm sure that all Chinese metros have them

Perth 100% A/C since about 1991. It also got electrified back then.

im sure all of australian's cities have a/c. although there are exception where some of the older trains does not

Strasbourg

I know Purple and Blue line trains in Metro Manila have them since they are new, but I don't know about the Yellow line trains built in 1981.

I think Athens metro line 2 and 3 are air-conditioned. Not sure though

NO!!
Only the new trains, like the ones going to the airport.
;)
New trains of Madrid metro, too.
:wink2:

But it gets so hot in there without A/C's how did people travel in them?Electric fans.

NO!!
Only the new trains, like the ones going to the airport.
;)
New trains of Madrid metro, too.
:wink2:

Correct.
Only the newest type of trains (ROTEM) have aircondition (Bitxofo they dont go only to the airport now , you can see them running also in the other line -Agios Antonios-Agios Dimitrios- )

As about the metro stations very few have airconditioning (like the Victoria station of line 1)

New trains of Madrid metro, too.
:wink2:

Can you tell me which series?
Will the new 3000 series have air conditioning?

^Well, from what I see in metro madrid's website, the most recent 2000 series trains already have air conditioning, so the 3000 will have it too for sure. (I just wasn't sure, because i didn't know if small profile lines in Madrid could be fitted with AC. But gladly they can. :D )

My only doubt now is if 6000 series have air conditioning, because 7000 and 8000 series have it for sure, and I don't think any 5000 series trains has it.

I assembled a list and put it in post #1.

Tokyo and Nagoya's metros are air-conditioned. I think all of Japan's metros are.

Most Tokyo suburban and subway systems have air conditioning. There's even one or two cars that have "weak" air conditioning for people who hate going from a 90/35 degree platform to a shivering cold rail car.

^Well, from what I see in metro madrid's website, the most recent 2000 series trains already have air conditioning, so the 3000 will have it too for sure. (I just wasn't sure, because i didn't know if small profile lines in Madrid could be fitted with AC. But gladly they can. :D )

My only doubt now is if 6000 series have air conditioning, because 7000 and 8000 series have it for sure, and I don't think any 5000 series trains has it.

I took several 5000 series metro trains today in Madrid and they were NOT air conditioned...
;)

Correct.
Only the newest type of trains (ROTEM) have aircondition (Bitxofo they dont go only to the airport now , you can see them running also in the other line -Agios Antonios-Agios Dimitrios- )

As about the metro stations very few have airconditioning (like the Victoria station of line 1)

I know that they do not go to the airport only! It was an example of August 2004.
;)
Geia sou, file mou!!
:wink2:

Both systems in Hong Kong (MTR and KCR) are fully airconditioned.

The info on Australia is wrong. Some trains in Sydney are still not airconditioned - though there are plans to fix that in the coming years.

Vienna has air-conditioned metro trains, but only the new one

I am still surprised that the London Underground doesnt have any A/C.

Taken from London subway vs. NYC subway thread

^
It's really hard to get London trains with air conditioning because:
1st: There's no space in the tunnel to add air conditioning (considering it would be installed in the roof of the trains), because the trains are too narrow. Not any spare spaces between the trains and the tunnels were you could put the AC devices.
2nd(and this is the major problem): Installing AC on the trains, would overheat the entire tube network, because the tunnels are narrow, deep, and not properly ventilated, unlike, for example NYC's ones, which are wider and shallow, which makes them easily ventilated.

It's not an easy problem to solve. Well, it's easy to solve in the Cut and Cover lines: (Circle, H&C, Metropolitan, District and ELL) because those have wide and shallow tunnels. I believe the future rolling stock for those lines(which will be starting to be introduced in 2009 or something) will have AC.

As for the tube lines.....

It's not impossible obviously.... they could for example build many ventilation shafts fot the tube lines to ventilate them properly. Obvisously that would be a massic work, becaus each lin would need MANY ventilation shafts!
It you probably have higher cost than building a whole new metro system! (maybe exagerating a bit ;)):runaway:

Obviously, there must be other solutions.

they could pipe it along with the power lines, if there's enough room beneath the train. A/C units within the tube trains themselves can be placed within the passenger compartments, at the cost of carrying capacity.

Oslo (T2000 type)

The T2000 is only used on one line with little traffic. The other lines have to live with the old trains for atleast another year. The heat inside can get unbearable sometimes at summer. My grandpa was close to faint in one of them a couple of years ago.

As far as I know Berlin has it in the H-trains and will have it in the HK-trains.
I´m not sure about S-bahn.

Also in the U.S., Boston has A/C, Philadelphia has A/C, Washington, D.C. has A/C, probably also Los Angeles and San Francisco. It's pretty much the universal norm here.

In Canada, as the above poster said, indeed Toronto has A/C but Montreal does not.

In response to JayT, no, many cities don't have A/C. Mostly cities in temperate or colder climates where hot summer weather does not last for very long, as in London and Paris. However, some really hot cities, such as Lisbon, also do not have A/C, which can be a little painful (though London and Lisbon do have simple forced air systems to cool the cars, as does Montreal).

As far as I know Berlin has it in the H-trains and will have it in the HK-trains.
Where did you get this information? I couldn't find it on the Internet.

I took several 5000 series metro trains today in Madrid and they were NOT air conditioned...
;)

Air conditionated units in Madrid Metro:

-2000 (old series) some in lines 5, 4, 1. the rest are being equiped with air conditioned.
-2000 (new series) - all
-3000 (under construction) - all
-5000 some in line 7
-6000 - all
-7000 - all
-8000 - all
-9000 (under construction) - all

^Which one of those are walk-through neuromancer (i only want to know about 5000 and 6000 series... i know about the rest).
Also... off topic, but what type of trains run on line 7?And is line 6 all 5000 series?
Thank you! :)

Both systems in Hong Kong (MTR and KCR) are fully airconditioned.

The info on Australia is wrong. Some trains in Sydney are still not airconditioned - though there are plans to fix that in the coming years.
I think if you go back a page you will see the poster explicitly say that older train sets are not air conditioned. The overwhelming majority of sydney train sets are air conditioned.

^Which one of those are walk-through neuromancer (i only want to know about 5000 and 6000 series... i know about the rest).
Also... off topic, but what type of trains run on line 7?And is line 6 all 5000 series?
Thank you! :)


in line 6 , they are quicking some 5000 series and replacing them with new 7000 series

in line 6 , they are quicking some 5000 series and replacing them with new 7000 series

What do you mean with "quicking", please?
:?

all metros have air-conditioned :?

^What??

all metros have air-conditioned :?

In Barcelona yes!!
;)
Not in many cities...
:(

I faut all metro have, we have but wen is full we almoust dont feel the air-conditioned efects :(

What do you mean with "quicking", please?
:?

remove, take away, replace...

I faut all metro have, we have but wen is full we almoust dont feel the air-conditioned efects :(

Arpels, do ALL Lisbon metro's have air-conditionig??
Or just the new ones?.. I guess the oldest won't have it.

Arpels, do ALL Lisbon metro's have air-conditionig??
Or just the new ones?.. I guess the oldest won't have it.

Old Lisbon metro trains do NOT have air conditioned!
;)

Vancouver, BC

I summed up the information in this page: http://mic-ro.com/metro/metrofeatures.html .

If you have any additions, please let me know :)

you can add Miami's Metro to the list as well.

^Micro, I see you put Oporto in the list.
It has walk through and air conditioned trains. ;)

omg how could you not have aircon, especially when it gets over 40C here in summer, definately Perth.....not that anyone cares

Bangkok metro trains are heavily air-conditioned. It's freezing down there.

^Micro, I see you put Oporto in the list.
It has walk through and air conditioned trains. ;)

Porto has got light metro but not full metro...
;)

Note that Singapore is gearing up to add more lines to the downtown city in near future. In fact, most part of the Circle line have been completed and the appropriate names of the completed station have been sought from the public to see whether the public is comfortable with the new names of the stations. It shld be completed by 2007.

And all the trains are A/C and all stations for the circle line will be underground.

:runaway:

I summed up the information in this page: http://mic-ro.com/metro/metrofeatures.html .

If you have any additions, please let me know :)

Kuala Lumpur and Vancouver run the exact same model of driverless Bombardier trains. There is a distinct seat at the front of the train right by the window to admire the view.

Note that Singapore is gearing up to add more lines to the downtown city in near future. In fact, most part of the Circle line have been completed and the appropriate names of the completed station have been sought from the public to see whether the public is comfortable with the new names of the stations. It shld be completed by 2007.

And all the trains are A/C and all stations for the circle line will be underground.

:runaway:
i dont think most part of the circle line is complete. i read somewhere is this forum an article saying that stage 2 is around 60% complete. stage 4 and 5 started not long ago(think end of last yr/beginning this yr). stage 2 should be finish in 2007, but i dont think it will open until 2008, when stage 3 is finish. stage 1 delay until 2010 because of Nicoll Highway, so stage 2 and 3 likely to open together b4 stage 1, in 2008.

^Yes, i'm aware of that! ;)

But as Micro included it in the list, I was just talling him it's features.

same as following:

The "old" metros in Lisbon (ML-7 series - http://www.metrolisboa.pt/ml7.htm) have gone out of circulation 5 years ago. ALL current metros have air-conditioning.

Kuala Lumpur and Vancouver run the exact same model of driverless Bombardier trains. There is a distinct seat at the front of the train right by the window to admire the view.
Same for Copenhagen (I don't know if they have the same train sets though).

So, update the list with Lisbon, micro!

Strasbourg

There is no metro in Strasbourg, only a tramway !

About Lisbon.... I checked their website and discussed it in the portuguese forum, and seems that in fact, none of the trains have air conditioning.... only forced air fans (probably that's not the right words, but you get it I guess).... :(

Lisbon: Well, I read it too before entering my post and I guess that's a sort of air conditioning, don't you think? Because the ventilation functions with both hot and cold air...

Nephasto, onde é que discutiste isso? Qual foi o tópico?

^Tá no thread de metros de Lisboa e sul do tejo.

Well, forced ventilation is not air conditioning...
Take for example cars... cars that don't have air conditioned have forced ventilation too.... And may blow hot air.... but not cold air.
The same happens with lisbon metro... they can blow air from the outside, but they don't refresh the air.... it just renovates the air, with air from the outside, but it's not colder than the outside air. It doesn't refrigerate the air like air conditioning does.

Yes, air conditioning means an active cooling system which cools the air down like a refrigerator.

The "old" metros in Lisbon (ML-7 series - http://www.metrolisboa.pt/ml7.htm) have gone out of circulation 5 years ago. ALL current metros have air-conditioning.

No they don't. The new cars simply have a "forced-air" system, like in Montreal. This is nothing more than a vent on the roof that leads into an overhead fan. So when the train moves, the fan spins and you get outside air blown at you. So whatever the temperature is outside the car, that's the temperature of the air you get inside the car. That's not A/C, but depending on the speed of the train, it can be a nice breeze. The system feels stronger in Montreal, though.

Bangkok does as well.

Why is there no Airconditioning in Metro Stations and on trains? (ATHENA)

"WE HAVE created a ventilation system which ensures that the temperature within the stations is lower than it is outside in summer and higher in winter," says Kikiras. "In the summer we leave the system on throughout the night. This works because the metro is completely underground - unlike the HSAP line, of which of only three kilometres of a total 26km are underground - therefore it stays cool."

Kikiras adds that the company has been carrying out research into the usefulness of having air conditioning on station platforms though not in trains. "Air conditioning systems in trains can lead to faults due to the amount of electricity required," he explains. After the particularly hot summer Athens experienced this year, Attiko Metro views the idea of air conditioning on platforms as particularly viable.

More Info: http://www.athensguide.com/journalists/articles/metro.htm

Air conditioned metro trains overheat the stations!
We know very well this problem here in Barcelona...
:(
In some metro stations is hotter inside than outside on the street!
Street temperature now is 35-37º Centigrade.
:cool:

The Athens metro is the best place to be in summer! its really nice and cool especially compared to the 50 degree Celcius heat we experience in Athena-The concrete Jungle.

Stockholm Metro has one single car (C20F (http://web.ss.se/depot/class.asp?id=924)) with A/C.

Istanbul metro has a/c

Stockholm Metro has one single car (C20F (http://web.ss.se/depot/class.asp?id=924)) with A/C.

Only one?
:?
:eek: :eek:

Hello

All Brisbane Electric Trains since being introduced in 1979 have been air conditioned. We are still running the first electric trains, the early electric trains have bumpers, but the later in the same series do not.

The heating work very well too, sometimes too hot. They all have double glass windows.

Bye

#1. Wow, what a revival of an old thread (3.5 years old, that's impressive)!

#2. Brisbane doesn't have a metro. ;)

In Cologne all new trains have A/C.

Hello

I did not relise that is was 3.5 years old.

No Brisbane dose not have a metro, only trains, ferrys and buses.

Two off the city stations are underground, due to buildings build on top. Also on suburbern station and one terminus is underground station and again due to building build on top.

Bye

IN london, we need aircon on busses and tubes, they dont have any and it is very uncomfortable and miserable.

somes trains in UK, particularly 1st class passenger do get air conditioning comfort, but common citizens do not :no:

Hello

I did not relise that is was 3.5 years old.

No Brisbane dose not have a metro, only trains, ferrys and buses.

Two off the city stations are underground, due to buildings build on top. Also on suburbern station and one terminus is underground station and again due to building build on top.

Bye

Yeah, Brunswick St, Brisbane Central are "underground" I believe - which suburban stations are underground?

However, covered stations do not a metro make! Brisbane has a suburban rail system with frequencies of 30 minutes on each line off-peak - not metro standard.

micro, soon you can add moscow. 81-740.4/81-741.4 cars will be air conditioned. first train is on trial runs at the moment. when tests will finish moscow metro will begin complete replacement of current stock (81-714/81-717) on circle line.

Hello

I know that covered station do not make a metro, but the stations are not underground or open air either, that is all.

Yes stations that a build on top of are:
Central = Hotel, was the Sherton, now Softel. (Buffet Great), orginal Station still on ann street. 6 Platforms

Brunswick Station = Shopping Centre and Car Park. 4 Platforms

the other underground stations are both on the Ipswich Line

Toowong Station = Shopping Centre, Car Park, Office Tower. 4 Platforms

Ipswich Station = Station build on top and a bus station next to it. It has 4 platforms.

bye

micro, soon you can add moscow. 81-740.4/81-741.4 cars will be air conditioned. first train is on trial runs at the moment. when tests will finish moscow metro will begin complete replacement of current stock (81-714/81-717) on circle line.

Where will the hot air go? Into the stations?

Where will the hot air go? Into the stations?

just outside trains. there are over 400 ventilation shafts in the system.

In Zaragoza, we don't have metro... but our commuter train acts like it, as it crosses the city from east to west totally underground.. it is fully airconditioned... (a couple of pics here (http://chusanch.blogspot.com/2008/10/mi-primer-da-en-el-cercanas.html))

im sure San Juan's is air-conditioned

Warsaw since 1 january 2009. Those new russians' car are air-conditioned.