I believe that the succesful London Olympic bid has now limited Liverpool City Council options for redeveloping the city. The massive amount of money needed to stage these games will have to be found from somewhere and I believe the Olympic funding has already begun with the governments rejection of the Merseytram proposal. But not just Liverpool, every other council outside of the metropolitan area of London will suffer from the funding deprivation from Westministers.

If the Liverpool council can't, or won't, understand these simple economics then Liverpool is doomed to stagnation, again. With the news from Singapore it is now imperative that Liverpool, not only allow for the building of the present proposals from the private sector but, should vigorously pursue other schemes from private enterprise to keep redevelopment moving forward and bridge the funding gap left by government, IMO.

You're right there Sloyne, the Government's actions with Merseytram are only the start. I don't know why people keep going on about the Olympics. It is just a massive Keynesian project that will drain public resources from other areas, such as the provinces, which need regeneration far more than London.
All of this talk about the UK as a whole benefitting is a load of bollocks. How can it be such a great thing that we will gain some extra tourists for a 2 week period? What about after that? Cities Like Liverpool will be without the projects they might have had, London will (from experience) be left with a ridiculously expensive ghost town, and all of the retailers, pub owners, etc. can spend the extra cash they earned from visitors on the taxes to pay for the games.

Bollocks!

The Olympic park is being built with local London taxes and lottery money.

So the games themselves shouldn't affect any other cites funding.

at the end of the day london deserves the games and there is nothing we can do.

I am for the London olympics in principal and hope it is a success - would love to go to see one of the key events. Aparently the plans they have are developing already run down areas in the east end with sustainable sports projects once the event passes. Let's hope this is true for the sake of all concerned. I can empathise with Sloyne and Blabbernsmoke on projects such as the Mersey tram and I would be suspicious if it was ditched following the Olympic bid success. The money earmarked for the MT project was coming from central government rather than the Liverpool tax payer. On the other hand, the government say the olympics will eventually earn 2 billion for the country. I hope they have learned the lessons from Athens where it left the Greek government with a huge bill when it was over.

I believe that the succesful London Olympic bid has now limited Liverpool City Council options for redeveloping the city. The massive amount of money needed to stage these games will have to be found from somewhere and I believe the Olympic funding has already begun with the governments rejection of the Merseytram proposal. But not just Liverpool, every other council outside of the metropolitan area of London will suffer from the funding deprivation from Westministers.

If the Liverpool council can't, or won't, understand these simple economics then Liverpool is doomed to stagnation, again. With the news from Singapore it is now imperative that Liverpool, not only allow for the building of the present proposals from the private sector but, should vigorously pursue other schemes from private enterprise to keep redevelopment moving forward and bridge the funding gap left by government, IMO.

This is completetly incorrect the money for the tram is there and would not be getting spent on the olympics, fair enough they have gone cold on the idea of trams and this is why they didn't build the inflation factor into the money that was there for us, but in the end the money is there for us and its up to us to find the rest of it...its drivvle to say the olympics will go ahead to the detrement of redevelopment of liverpool, it a completely different pot of money.

Hopefully Liverpool council will be working out ways to help and benefit out of Londons 2012 victory. Just think of the number of visitors to this country, and the boost to the economy. Billions are being spent on London anyway, and they are big enough to generate the extra required to fund the Olympic part of the investment. This is great for the whole country, not just in monetary terms.

Three cheers to the U.K. and Londons winning bid.
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

This is great for the whole country, not just in monetary terms.
I know this shouldn't even be on this board, however, can't help noticing the difference, between Canada and Britain, in national attitudes concerning the hosting of the Olympic Games. I well remember Toronto's bid and the divisions it caused in Canada. All the polls suggested that a majority of Canadians opposed the Toronto bid and the seperation was even greater in Toronto it's self.

Also, the year Manchester was awarded the Commonwealth Games a number of Canadian cities declined the offer to host the games. Among them were Ottawa, London and Hamilton, Ont. Winnipeg, Man. Regina, Sask. Victoria, BC. and Halifax, NS. Maybe we are less sports minded than we think we are.

Let's get this right, major capital spending on sporting infrastructure is a nailed on method or regenerating inner cities.

Has anyone mentioned this to NWDA?

I'm waiting for the £2 billion tube extention etc. to be announced while the regions are told £350k for bus stops or something is out of order.

Where there's a will there's a way, what's the magic formula?

I must congratulate the London bid - I'm correct in thinking that Liverpool gave its support and advice to LOndon on how to submit a successful bid afer the Capital Of Culture bid was a success. Should regenerate the most deprived area in england anyway.

Just be wary over eating any French food in the future!

I believe the Olympic funding has already begun with the governments rejection of the Merseytram proposal.
Wish you posted this little gem a few weeks ago. We could have all made a fortune at the bookies :) :cheers:

Wish you posted this little gem a few weeks ago. We could have all made a fortune at the bookies :) :cheers:

The odds on London were worth a bet a week ago, wish i had put a few pence on also :)

Wish you posted this little gem a few weeks ago. We could have all made a fortune at the bookies :) :cheers:
You, obviously, missed the first two words of the quote you posted. The words "I believe" says it all. I don't believe anyone would take that as a definitive statement of someone in the know. Do you?

Congrats London, Iam Going. But get a new LOGO

Personally I think it's great for Liverpool. The Olympics will draw in millions of visitors, and by 2012 Liverpool will almost certainly be the premier regional centre for short breaks in England, and well placed to receive very large numbers of additional visitors.

But are any of the events coming to Liverpool? I heard the sailing was to be on the south coast, but will any of the football matches come to Liverpool? Or maybe boxing at the new centre on Kings Dock? Hopefully the Goverment will have the sense to ensure that at least one event comes to each of the major regional centres, to make it a national event.

You, obviously, missed the first two words of the quote you posted. The words "I believe" says it all. I don't believe anyone would take that as a definitive statement of someone in the know. Do you?

Ouch!
Said only in jest Patrick.
Sorry :cheers:

Personally I think it's great for Liverpool. The Olympics will draw in millions of visitors, and by 2012 Liverpool will almost certainly be the premier regional centre for short breaks in England, and well placed to receive very large numbers of additional visitors.

But are any of the events coming to Liverpool? I heard the sailing was to be on the south coast, but will any of the football matches come to Liverpool? Or maybe boxing at the new centre on Kings Dock? Hopefully the Goverment will have the sense to ensure that at least one event comes to each of the major regional centres, to make it a national event.

The footy is to be played at Old Trafford :bash:

The footy is to be played at Old Trafford :bash:

Disgraceful. Who decided that?

Disgraceful. Who decided that?

Wembley,St.James Park,Old Trafford and I think it's Villa Park.We get nothing as usual.What do you expect it's not like we're Champions of Europe.

somehow i think london is more than capable of generating its own revenue to fund the games ie 8 pound congestion charge to help fund transportation, also the games are to be held in stratford in east london so has practically nothing to do with westminster council

People on the Liverpool forum complaining about Manchester getting something. Shock horror. Who'd have thought?

People on the Liverpool forum complaining about Manchester getting something. Shock horror. Who'd have thought?
Ahh Manchester!
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Ahh Manchester!
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Dave your picture never showed up and EB do one you plazzy manc. :)

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Every time I think of Earlybird this picture springs to mind and I can't think why?

I am certainly not opposed to the Olympics being in London and I think the bid team did a superb job of beating off the leaders, Paris. But I think I'm going to wait and see before forming any opinions on:

a) the regenerative effects it brings about (-there are plenty of examples of Olympic villages becoming ghost towns.) The private sector would never fund all of the Olympic infrastrucutre and there is a simple reason for this- no company would expect to make a good return on it. The state is notoriously inept at bringing about big, capital projects on time and to budget (-Millenium Dome ring any bells?)

b) The funding. This is supposed to come from local, London sources. But we cannot rule out at this stage the costs sky-rocketing (as they usually do in this country anyway)- especially with the continued demand for oil and steel in China. If costs do rocket (-so many exmaples of this- Jubilee line, Millenium Dome, Wembley, etc etc.) I'm sure central government funding will be there to ensure things get finished on time. -This could, potentially, effect other urban centres in the country.

c) The benefits to the rest of the country. The Olympics lasts for about 2 weeks, and after that it is pretty much forgotten about. Think Athens- did it even happen? ( :jk: ) There will be extra tourists and spending in bars, etc, but once those 2 weeks are over things will go back to normal. The long-term benefits for the rest fo the country (and for London) are highly debatable.
Although, many visitors to the porvinces may realise they like those places and return in the future.

I would also point out that there are Londoners who are against the London Olympics. My friend has a nightmare commuting through the capital on a daily basis as it is- what will it be like in 2012?

Incidentally, I am glad that our country has won the bid and think it is a great achievement for London. But I think I'll wait til after 2012 before deciding whether it was really worth it. Also, why on earth hasn't Liverpool got itself involved??? Sailing, football, boxing- Ferfuxake!

This article in today's Echo highlights some of the concerns that I have.

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=15709176%26method=full%26siteid=50061%26headline=capital%2dof%2dculture%2d%2dstarting%2dgun%2d%2dfor%2dlondon%2dolympics-name_page.html

Cllr Storey said: "Everyone is thrilled that London has got it. It will be be a real opportunity for people to say they were at the Olympics. I think there is a national pride in this and people genuinely wanted London to win through.

"On the other hand, this is the SE getting more and more resources. We're going to see more major transport investment in London yet we only need an extra £20m for Merseytram and we can't even get that. From an economic point of view, it might be good at a macro level but, yet again, it's more money going into London.

"I'm thrilled for London but it feels like we're trying to get the crumbs for the table.

"London was given £10m just to bid for the Olympics but our revenue funding for Capital of Culture year itself is very small." The regional development agency for the North West, the NWDA, said it believed the Olympics represented a real opportunity for a dramatic boost to tourism and employment gains as the region's businesses bid for contracts.

Paul: Millenium Stadium and Hampden are also supposed host venues for the footie, but you are right ive heard no mention of Liverpool. I am not surprised about the other nominees, except Villa Park, maybe it is just because it is in Birmingham, but it really is lagging behind the others in terms of quality. Other than the chance to holds 'soccer' matches i doubt very much if any other regional city will hold anythig other than training camps. Unfortunately the Olympics is more about the host city than the host country.

For me the important thing is how it will impact on sports development throughout the country rather than staging events. If that is a success then i for one will be happy regardless. Also in the London submission 4 of the arenas are supposed to be temporary structures which are later to be moved permanently to other parts of the country - i think it is these that the regional cities should be looking to get post olympics.

Quote from Liverpolitan:
"by 2012 Liverpool will almost certainly be the premier regional centre for short breaks in England"

I seriously hope you meant to put "one of the premier regional centres", come on man this is just a stupid thing to say. Liverpool is great, but this kinda unsubstantiated comment just invites people to riddicule, which i am not trying to do. At the end of the day Liverpool has a lot of catching up to do on this one just to rival the cities ahead in this front.

its drivvle to say the olympics will go ahead to the detriment of redevelopment in Liverpool.
new, You might want to read Post #26 on this same subject. Blabbersmoke posted a item gleaned from the online edtition of the Liverpool DP&Echo reporting a statement by the leader of the city council, Mike Storey no less. :)

Liverpool is getting a 50m swimming pool at Picton, or at least it is proposed, (will have to do a search), this is one small step towards Liverpool benefiting from London's 2012 Olympic success, as this should become a very busy place, with potential olympic athletes coming from here, and events being held here. We may even gain from say Liverpool f.c. supporting nations basing themselves in the region to make use of our facilities (and visiting the New Anfield, pity it won't be an Olympic venue though), after all we will have a lot of our own regeneration complete by 2008, and no doubt more projects coming our way.

Check out this from Echo here (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/business/news/tm_objectid=15710360%26method=full%26siteid=50061%26headline=olympics%2dwill%2dgive%2dcity%2da%2dplatform%2dto%2dsell%2ditself%2d%2dsays%2dbusiness%2dchief-name_page.html)

It`s nice to see the `underdog` win.

Liverpool was the underdog to win Ecoc 2008.

London was the underdog to win 2012 Olympics.

Yes the money is going in different directions (micro(?) and macro world economics.)

So we have to make the best of it.

Ask the world - were is Liverpool and were is London?

maybe now the idiots at the council will be forced to take a new look on their view on private investment vs government aid and wont be so quick to reject projects such as bq and skelhorne

It`s nice to see the `underdog` win.

Liverpool was the underdog to win Ecoc 2008.

London was the underdog to win 2012 Olympics.

Yes the money is going in different directions (micro(?) and macro world economics.)

So we have to make the best of it.

Ask the world - were is Liverpool and were is London?


I always like it when the underdog wins, because in reality we know they have what it takes to win, and know the people knocking the underdog are overconfident, arrogant and mis-informed about the underdog's capabilities.

The feeling of:-
1) Liverpool winning European Capital of Culture.
2) Liverpool winning European Champions League 2005.
3) London winning 2012 Olympics.

all had the same feelings/emotions/outcome, they are great victories which are very enjoyable everytime i see or read or hear about them. :cheers:

new, You might want to read Post #26 on this same subject. Blabbersmoke posted a item gleaned from the online edtition of the Liverpool DP&Echo reporting a statement by the leader of the city council, Mike Storey no less. :)
Yeap I stand by my first post.....strengthened even more by a Lib Dem leader who no one has actually believed in the past 10 years, and the echo....well they speak (rubbish) for themselves!!! :)
MIke Storey no less indeed.... :sleepy:

I always like it when the underdog wins, because in reality we know they have what it takes to win, and know the people knocking the underdog are overconfident, arrogant and mis-informed about the underdog's capabilities.

The feeling of:-
1) Liverpool winning European Capital of Culture.
2) Liverpool winning European Champions League 2005.
3) London winning 2012 Olympics.

all had the same feelings/emotions/outcome, they are great victories which are very enjoyable everytime i see or read or hear about them. :cheers:

Fantabidozi............