Just to let the people of London know that Manchester sends it's deepest sympathy's to all the the people killed or injured in today's disgusting attacks , we will stand together in ridding to world of these terrorist's

Yeah, same from the rest of the northwest.

Aye. Condolences. :cry:

Aye. We've been there ourselves to less of extent. Hold on tight and stay brave.

Well said highriser.

My thoughts are with London right now and Blair has my full backing in going after these people as long as he sticks to international law, but unfortunately I'm not so optimistic that we will ever rid the world of them.

WE ARE WITH YOU< WE STAND BY YOU IN THESE MOMENTS
LOVE CAPE TOWN SOUTH AFRICA

As long as we keep letting these asylum seekers in, their will never a way to rid of terrorists....they are everywhere. A certain religion is responsible for the conveyer belt of trained homocide bombers sadly.

My condolences go to everyone involved or suffering because of todays tragedy!

Yes I think I'll repeat what I already wrote in the UK SKYBAR, We the people of Manchester are thinking about the people of London on this tragic day, keep your chins up.

Condolences to the stricken families. Let's hope we can root out the perpetrators and punish them. They managed it in Spain, we should do the same. These people are religious fanatics, the only way to beat them is to eradicate them.

I found out about the attacks on the motorway between here and liverpool. The overhead electronic signs that tell you about fog and the like all read: 'Avoid London; listen to radio', which, not knowing any better I saw as sound general life advice but a bit odd really. So I stuck the radio on. Spent most of the rest of the day trying to find out if my brother was alive. Also a strange reaction I suppose considering the odds of someone you know having died in it were very small and I wouldn't have done the same if it had just been 50 bog-standard road casualties in London or whatever.

Anyhow, yes, all our sympathy from Manchester to anyone who does know people caught up in the horror. And thanks and respect to all citizens of London for taking this blow. The response from everyone in London seems to have been very proffesional and has done our country proud.

Manchester loves London, and is thinking of you.

An interesting picture taken recently by Aidan.

http://www.aidan.co.uk/lg/LonIsl30Bus5623.jpg

I know we all end up slaggin off someone...Scousers, londoners etc for silly reasons, but fuck me, We're all Englanders and I hope London show those evil individuals who they're dealing with.

As long as we keep letting these asylum seekers in, their will never a way to rid of terrorists....they are everywhere. A certain religion is responsible for the conveyer belt of trained homocide bombers sadly.

Open your fucking mind, asylum seekers or not, religion to blame or something else terrorists will ALWAYS exist in society. Most of the terrorism committed in Britain has been in the name of christianity, and by our own citizens.. think about it. Dont be so damn stupid.

I'd much rather this country be fighting Islamic terrorists than Irish terrorists.

I'd much rather this country be fighting Islamic terrorists than Irish terrorists.

I agree Irish terrorists are much nicer than Islamic terrorists you dumb fuck.

London you are strong and solid - we shall stand up against the terrorists who mame indiscriminately whatever colour, creed or faith. Birmingham is right behind you.
No other city in the world can experience a week like this - Live8, Olympic winners and terrorist target. And only one city and country can bounce back with such fervour.

The city has ALREADY bounced back. That's the most remarkable thing.

As long as we keep letting these asylum seekers in, their will never a way to rid of terrorists....they are everywhere. A certain religion is responsible for the conveyer belt of trained homocide bombers sadly.
fuck me, you don't even understand basic English grammar yet you hijack a sympathy thread to criticise a religion. Good work, you make us all proud. On a separate point, better avoid Canal Street this week with all those homocide bombers (I would have gone for bummers myself) around.

Irish terrorists are much nicer than Islamic terrorists you dumb fuck.

Irish terrorsists only seem to bomb buildings, whereas islamic terrorists bomb(murder) people. Which one is better?

or are you being sarcastic?

Religion = war, thats how i see it

I agree Irish terrorists are much nicer than Islamic terrorists you dumb fuck.

Who the dumb one Isaac? Religious fundamentalism (The Islamists) are far harder to fight against than any political/ gangster style terrorism of the IRA.

Terrorists who fight for political freedom, financial gain or stature are hard to stop but ultimately can be stopped several ways some of which are power sharing, bribery etc.

Terrorists who think they are fighting a Jihad can only be stopped three ways by either death of the terrorist , surrender to the Jihad or dilution of the religion and Jihad through time.

The Crusades are evidence of this.

These Islamists must be stopped and soon before more innocent people die !

Open your fucking mind, asylum seekers or not, religion to blame or something else terrorists will ALWAYS exist in society. Most of the terrorism committed in Britain has been in the name of christianity, and by our own citizens.. think about it. Dont be so damn stupid.

Dont be hoodwinked you fool! So are you taken over completely by the deceptive power of political correctness in the name of Islam as well? :bash:

As for you ignorance stating terrorism done in the name of Christianity, try doing some research to find that neither the RC's or CofE's are real Christians if you're refering to NI!

fuck me, you don't even understand basic English grammar yet you hijack a sympathy thread to criticise a religion. Good work, you make us all proud. On a separate point, better avoid Canal Street this week with all those homocide bombers (I would have gone for bummers myself) around.

Dont like my comments, dont read, simple as......

I'm entitled to state my obvious observance that Islam has an agenda.

Who the dumb one Isaac? Religious fundamentalism (The Islamists) are far harder to fight against than any political/ gangster style terrorism of the IRA.

Terrorists who fight for political freedom, financial gain or stature are hard to stop but ultimately can be stopped several ways some of which are power sharing, bribery etc.

Terrorists who think they are fighting a Jihad can only be stopped three ways by either death of the terrorist , surrender to the Jihad or dilution of the religion and Jihad through time.

The Crusades are evidence of this.

These Islamists must be stopped and soon before more innocent people die !

Spot on and well said!!

Cant figure out why so many British people are so apologetic for Islam as if we owe them something! For goodness sakes, these morons are murderers, they are commanded by Mohammed to KILL! Try reading the Koran if you dont believe me!

It's probably half a dozen nutts behind these attacks, not the 1 million peaceful law abiding other muslims in Britain. How difficult is that concept to grasp? Why paint one entire sub section of society with the brush meant for a couple of nuts acting in their name when they clearly are not? It serves no purpose other than to make yourself look like an uneducated bigot and stir up uneeded racial tension that gets everyone hurt and scores points for organised bigots (terrorists in suits) such as the BNP.

If it were the fault and intention of every muslim this would be happening everywhere, everyday. The fact you have to result to abuse and name calling shows the idocity of your way of thinking. That and your 3 posts in a row showing you clearly don't think before you speak so thank goodness you are thousands of miles away from the rest of us in that wasteland called Australia, where it's WE that came and stole a county away from its natives using violence and terror.

Such a shame this thread which was meant to console and provide support for those caught up in this awful affair be riddled with the hatred and idocity which is at the root of the events in the first place.

It's probably half a dozen nutts behind these attacks, not the 1 million peaceful law abiding other muslims in Britain. How difficult is that concept to grasp? Why paint one entire sub section of society with the brush meant for a couple of nuts acting in their name when they clearly are not? It serves no purpose other than to make yourself look like an uneducated bigot and stir up uneeded racial tension that gets everyone hurt and scores points for organised bigots (terrorists in suits) such as the BNP.

If it were the fault and intention of every muslim this would be happening everywhere, everyday. The fact you have to result to abuse and name calling shows the idocity of your way of thinking. That and your 3 posts in a row showing you clearly don't think before you speak so thank goodness you are thousands of miles away from the rest of us in that wasteland called Australia, where it's WE that came and stole a county away from its natives using violence and terror.

Such a shame this thread which was meant to console and provide support for those caught up in this awful affair be riddled with the hatred and idocity which is at the root of the events in the first place.

Such an elloquent thinker...... lol

A wasteland called Australia? Oh dear, how parochial and narrow minded.

Read the Koran and you will discover that ALL Muslims are commanded to kill, first the Saturday people (Jewish people), then the Sunday people (Christians). Islamist's percieve the UK as a 'Christian' country hence my response. but then again, do you actually care?

As long as we keep letting these asylum seekers in, their will never a way to rid of terroists....they are everywhere. A certain religion is responsible

Very flawed thinking. How can you be sure that the c*nts who blew up those tubes and bus in London weren't born here?

The 'Muslims' who do these acts are twisting the religion to fit their own warped view.

Well said Caw

Read the Koran and you will discover that ALL Muslims are commanded to kill, first the Saturday people (Jewish people), then the Sunday people (Christians). Islamist's percieve the UK as a 'Christian' country hence my response. but then again, do you actually care?

If you read the Bible you will see that ALL Christians are commanded to kill non-beleivers and and to kill for all manner of trivial reasons like stone women to death if they are raped in a city. Doesn't mean that every Christian should be treated as a potential murderer or terrorist though does it?

"Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel." (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

"A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death." (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

"Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death." (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death." (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

"A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death." (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

"But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst." (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst." (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

"One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die." (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

"So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too." (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

"The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death." (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

etc, etc, etc If you were to judge people merely by what is written in the holy books of their religion then you would have to conclude that Christians and Jews are equally as "evil" as Muslims or worse.

u no wot lads, ive just bin finkin!

wot if!

there are a few muslims in the missing persons list, there familys are understandably upset about the attack.

but what if........ they actually turned out to be the suicide bombers themselves.
a...wot... ever thought of that?

I think that the Muslim community needs to pull their fingers out, cos THEY KNOW whats going on, if they are the tight nit community they say they are.
If abdul islamabad keeps preachin about the holy war against the west, everytime its his turn to speak in the local mosque. dont u fink its time to report the twisted fooka to the cops.

If I have upset anyone because of my views of religion or muslim society in Britain.
well good! suck my fat PORK non halal meat sausage.

there are a few muslims in the missing persons list, there familys are understandably upset about the attack.

but what if........ they actually turned out to be the suicide bombers themselves.

What's your point? It is unlikely as the tube attacks are not thought to have been suicide attacks, the bus might have contained a bomber but Muslims, like everyone else who is missing, are far more likely to be victims rather than perpetrators.

I think that the Muslim community needs to pull their fingers out, cos THEY KNOW whats going on, if they are the tight nit community they say they are.

I don't know about you but I don't know what my next-door neighbours are doing let alone everyone of the same religion across the country. You ust remember that there is more than one "muslim community" in the UK. Urdu speaking Pakistanis, Arabic speaking students from Morocco and Turkish Kebab shop owners are unlikely to know the minutae of each others lives. If I was going to carry out a terrorist attack, I probably wouldn't go around telling everyone either.

If I have upset anyone because of my views of religion or muslim society in Britain.
well good! suck my fat PORK non halal meat sausage.

Stupid child :ohno:

Anyone who can blame a whole race/community because of the actions of a few, is just as powerfully single minded and ignorant as the people who did this.
It's scary to think that some of tommorow's children are gonna be brought up such tripe.

I really dont see an end to this situation we have put ourselves in.
Afganistan ok, after 9.11 USA was like a ragin bull. someone had to get their arse kicked
Iraq? WMD my arse. Oil yes.

If Blair wanted to liberate people and spread democracy, what about Zimbawe? surely that should be further up the help scale than Iraq, with it at least being in the commonwealth.

If only the London bombings happened b4 the general elections, then Blair wouldnt even be in Downing street now.

It alwright saying these are terrible men who pray on innocent people and london will never be held to ransom. we must hunt these down and destroy them.

Starting an illegal war against an already growing anti-west feeling in the islamic world.
what about all the people who are gettin killed in Bagdad by bombs. British public dont give a shite. well now we know what its like! bet there is a hell of alot more effort goes into finding the london bombers compared to the bagdad bombers.
what happened in London last week happens everyday in Bagdad.
all because of what?

Bush and Blair could not have created a worst situation, and i hope Blair now realises what the fuck he has got us into now.

hi Jonesy 55, wwahey...how multicultural is shropshire?

you would soil ur under panties if a muslim woman got on ur bus with full body dress with slits for eyes. carrying her shopping bags.

stupid child?, u sad old git.
just cos i rite en spel like shite, dont meen i dont av intellect.

what is wrong with abit of criticism, dont make racist.
if you must know............im black............and gay :)

......If only the London bombings happened b4 the general elections, then Blair wouldnt even be in Downing street now......

So, you want terrorism to be a legitimate form of electioneering then? Or, would it have been OK in this case because you want Blair out of Downing Street?

hi Jonesy 55, wwahey...how multicultural is shropshire?

you would soil ur under panties if a muslim woman got on ur bus with full body dress with slits for eyes. carrying her shopping bags.

Er, no I wouldn't.

Shropshire isn't the most multicultural part of the country although there are quite a few East Asian language students and nurses and lots of Iraqi and East European agricultural workers where I live in addition to the small established minority communities but what is the relevance?

Have you ever heard of a concept known as 'moving house'? It means that you can live in several different places during your life and also it is possible to 'visit' places for leisure or even 'work' in a town different to where you live.

stupid child?, u sad old git.
just cos i rite en spel like shite, dont meen i dont av intellect.

I'm sure you have a mighty intellect, I apologise profusely for any offence caused.

what is wrong with abit of criticism, dont make racist.

If I have upset anyone because of my views of religion or muslim society in Britain.
well good! suck my fat PORK non halal meat sausage.

Nothing wrong with constructive criticism but playground style insults are pretty immature don't you think?

If you read the Bible you will see that ALL Christians are commanded to kill non-beleivers and and to kill for all manner of trivial reasons like stone women to death if they are raped in a city. Doesn't mean that every Christian should be treated as a potential murderer or terrorist though does it?

"Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel." (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

"A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death." (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

"Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death." (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death." (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

"A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death." (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

"But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst." (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst." (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

"One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die." (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

"So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too." (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

"The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death." (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

etc, etc, etc If you were to judge people merely by what is written in the holy books of their religion then you would have to conclude that Christians and Jews are equally as "evil" as Muslims or worse.

Interesting how you misquote the bible and fail to even mention a scripture from the Christian New Testament. After all you cannot even show me any 'Christian' from the Old Book, as 'Christianity' wasnt even around, just the Israelites as God's people, and even then, God Himself commanded Israel to defeat their enemies for the sake of righteousness (the neighbours of Israel were pagans and this was evil - nothing new today!). So if you have a problem with God, ask Him why he told Israel to kill (not murder - that would be breaking the commandment, two different things)?

The Koran says to never befriend a Christian or a Jew and to possibly use violence on them. Islam is a dangerous religion and I cannot understand why non Islamic's are so protective of it??

Maybe you might like to make an effort and actually read what the evil book of the Koran actually says, like this from Surah 2:

2:191, And slay them wherever ye catch them
2:193, And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression
4:141, And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumph) over the believers
8:12, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them
9:5, But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.
9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya* with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Interesting how you misquote the bible and fail to even mention a scripture from the Christian New Testament. After all you cannot even show me any 'Christian' from the Old Book, as 'Christianity' wasnt even around, just the Israelites as God's people, and even then, God Himself commanded Israel to defeat their enemies for the sake of righteousness (the neighbours of Israel were pagans and this was evil - nothing new today!). So if you have a problem with God, ask Him why he told Israel to kill (not murder - that would be breaking the commandment, two different things)?

Romans is NT and anyway are you saying that the OT is not a part of Christianity? The ten commandments, the creation myth etc come off it, Jesus was able to say he was the son of god because his followers beleived in the OT prophecies.

Jesus himself said the the OT laws should be kept and therefore they form a part of Christian thinking

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

I was merely illustrating that if you just read a holy book and quote random verses ou can make any religion sound 'evil' including Christianity and Judaism.

Here are some NT quotes if you want them:

“Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." Matthew 10:21

"And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death" Mark 7:8-9

"And that servant, who knew his lord's will, and made not ready, nor did according to his will, shall be beaten with many 'stripes" ASV Luke 12:47

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." Matthew 10:34-36

The Koran says to never befriend a Christian or a Jew and to possibly use violence on them. Islam is a dangerous religion and I cannot understand why non Islamic's are so protective of it??

Maybe you might like to make an effort and actually read what the evil book of the Koran actually says, like this from Surah 2:

2:191, And slay them wherever ye catch them
2:193, And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression
4:141, And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumph) over the believers
8:12, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them
9:5, But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.
9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya* with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Sounds very similar to the quotes from the bible, so why are Muslims evil while Jews and Christians are not?

feck me lads, im leavin this thread, to much bible/koran bashin goin on for my liking.

in my opinion there is no place in the 21st C for twisted medevil books.

Interesting how you misquote the bible and fail to even mention a scripture from the Christian New Testament. After all you cannot even show me any 'Christian' from the Old Book, as 'Christianity' wasnt even around, just the Israelites as God's people, and even then, God Himself commanded Israel to defeat their enemies for the sake of righteousness (the neighbours of Israel were pagans and this was evil - nothing new today!). So if you have a problem with God, ask Him why he told Israel to kill (not murder - that would be breaking the commandment, two different things)?


This seems to be a typical case of double standards....

Two things if I may:

where does Jonesy misquote the bible? I've looked a few of his quotes up and they're all pukka........

second, I think you'll find that the commandment in question forbids killing, not murder. To refresh your memory:

And God spake all these words, saying

2. I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

5. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6. And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

7. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain: for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

8. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10. But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

12. Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

13. Thou shalt not kill.

14. Thou shalt not commit adultery.

15. Thou shall not steal.

16. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

17. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

My memory's going a bit, but I distinctly remember them reading verses from the Old Testament at (Catholic) Church when I was a nipper. Are you seriously suggesting Christians don't "believe" in the OT??????? and that it's not a part of Christian theology??

If so, why do all Christian bibles contain the OT????

I should respectfully suggest you learn something about Christianity before sharing your misinformed opinions with us.

feck me lads, im leavin this thread, to much bible/koran bashin goin on for my liking.

in my opinion there is no place in the 21st C for twisted medevil books.

too many narrow-minded pricks like yourself around too... sadly

you should try living in London it might open up your mind if you really do, as you implied, shit yourself when you see someone dressed differently to yourself

potto, dont take him to seriously most of us live in the real world,you have to expect the odd halfwit to come out with something stupid.

Interesting how you misquote the bible and fail to even mention a scripture from the Christian New Testament. After all you cannot even show me any 'Christian' from the Old Book, as 'Christianity' wasnt even around, just the Israelites as God's people, and even then, God Himself commanded Israel to defeat their enemies for the sake of righteousness (the neighbours of Israel were pagans and this was evil - nothing new today!). So if you have a problem with God, ask Him why he told Israel to kill (not murder - that would be breaking the commandment, two different things)?


haha you twat. He was just showing you how pathetic your arguement was. You cherry-picked lines from an ancient book so he cherry-picked lines from an ancient book... oh yes look they are quite similar in their mis-understanding of the world.

Its all about interpretation, few christians would take the literal interpretation of the entire Bible as in Islam there are many teachings and interpretations. Just read up on some books on Islam, it didnt take me long and now I have a greater understanding on peoples personal lives as well as world history.

The Islamic world can be very enlightened, even Victorian travellers remarked how civil Islamic society was with their equal treatment of women and welfare arrangements. The extremist end appeared at the beggining of the last century and was used to stir up arab nationalism as a counter to foreign imperialism, this extremist form known as Whabbism only managed to spread and take hold in schools, mosques and politics from Saudi Arabia to Pakistan and the Taleban when oil was discovered in the Desert kingdoms....

you try to untangle all that mess in which we are equally involved with a blanket slagging off of an entire religion then your are a fool!

potto, dont take him to seriously most of us live in the real world,you have to expect the odd halfwit to come out with something stupid.

yes but I wouldnt like to see him get away with thinking that his comments resonate with any sense of truth!

just to reiterate that my "too many people like him" comment was not refferring to this forum just that in an ideal real world the number would be zero

I've skipped the majority of this thread as I've not been online for a few days so I'm not getting involved in the sniping.

Having moved back to the north west from London earlier this year I just wanted to add my support for the people of London. It was an abominable act, but one which will not bow the spirit of what is a truly great city.

Weirdly, I wanted to be back in London last week to be able to show my support for the people affected by the tragedy. Whilst it wasn't something that preyed on my mind all the time, one always felt something would happen and I admit to having the odd jittery moment on the tube. In that respect I have to be thankful I or any of my friends were not affected directly.

London will get back to normal and life will go on. But it's an event that will never be forgotten. And once we learn the identities of all those who died, neither will they.

Romans is NT and anyway are you saying that the OT is not a part of Christianity? The ten commandments, the creation myth etc come off it, Jesus was able to say he was the son of god because his followers beleived in the OT prophecies.

Jesus himself said the the OT laws should be kept and therefore they form a part of Christian thinking

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

I was merely illustrating that if you just read a holy book and quote random verses ou can make any religion sound 'evil' including Christianity and Judaism.

Here are some NT quotes if you want them:

“Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." Matthew 10:21

"And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death" Mark 7:8-9

"And that servant, who knew his lord's will, and made not ready, nor did according to his will, shall be beaten with many 'stripes" ASV Luke 12:47

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." Matthew 10:34-36



Sounds very similar to the quotes from the bible, so why are Muslims evil while Jews and Christians are not?

Casting pearls amongst swine comes to mind....

I was always advised "you will never win an argument with a head strong stubborn individual"

This seems to be a typical case of double standards....

Two things if I may:

where does Jonesy misquote the bible? I've looked a few of his quotes up and they're all pukka........

second, I think you'll find that the commandment in question forbids killing, not murder. To refresh your memory:



My memory's going a bit, but I distinctly remember them reading verses from the Old Testament at (Catholic) Church when I was a nipper. Are you seriously suggesting Christians don't "believe" in the OT??????? and that it's not a part of Christian theology??

If so, why do all Christian bibles contain the OT????

I should respectfully suggest you learn something about Christianity before sharing your misinformed opinions with us.

Please dont comment on something, that a) doesn't really concern you unless youre a true Christian (and I mean RC is not true Christianity with its pagan influences) and b) you know nothing about going by your own admission.
Thank you

Oh look FSR, the brainwashed c*nts who blew themselves up were born and bred British! What were you saying about asylum seekers again?

Please dont comment on something, that a) doesn't really concern you unless youre a true Christian (and I mean RC is not true Christianity with its pagan influences)

All Christianity is influenced by paganism. You nicked all their holidays for a start.

Please dont comment on something, that a) doesn't really concern you unless youre a true Christian (and I mean RC is not true Christianity with its pagan influences) and b) you know nothing (???) about going by your own admission.
Thank you

Ah a TRUE Christian.... whatever that is?!? So I presume you think the pope's not a true Christian? How about the Rev Ian Paisley? Jim Bakker? Jimmy Swaggart? The Archbishop of Canterbury?

And was Jesus Christ a Christian? or a Jew?

And where did I admit I knew nothing about it? (Ah, RCs don't know anything about TRUE Christianity I suppose?). You're the one who didn't even know the ten commandments (the 6th at least) properly..... or don't you believe in them? They are OT after all.......

Thank you for sharing your spiritual insights with us all.

Whatever, obviously take delight in 'bullying' so why should i bother?
You keep to protecting Islam, hope they do you favours.

Whatever, obviously take delight in 'bullying' so why should i bother?
You keep to protecting Islam, hope they do you favours.

I'm sorry if you feel I'm "bullying". I was intending merely to expose and question your apparent black-and-white precepts of "us" (true Christians, excluding RCs, Greek and Russian Orthodox etc.) and "them" (followers of murdering heathen faiths). Apologies if I've misunderstood you, but I'm not sure I've been the only one so to do.

And I didn't mention Islam once....... :wallbash:

What's your point? It is unlikely as the tube attacks are not thought to have been suicide attacks, the bus might have contained a bomber but Muslims, like everyone else who is missing, are far more likely to be victims rather than perpetrators.



I don't know about you but I don't know what my next-door neighbours are doing let alone everyone of the same religion across the country. You ust remember that there is more than one "muslim community" in the UK. Urdu speaking Pakistanis, Arabic speaking students from Morocco and Turkish Kebab shop owners are unlikely to know the minutae of each others lives. If I was going to carry out a terrorist attack, I probably wouldn't go around telling everyone either.



Stupid child :ohno:

the neighbours of the British born bombers DID KNOW that they had been in Afganistan for 2 months.

point proven. :)

you r too PC, go back to reading the Guardian. im in the real world.

and one of the families did report him missing. he said he was going to london with a few mates.

I hope you ejoyed wasting ur time, tryin to shoot me down. for speaking the truth.

the neighbours of the British born bombers DID KNOW that they had been in Afganistan for 2 months.

point proven. :)

No your point is not proven, your point was that muslims who had been reported missing were more likely to be perpetrators than victims, this remains false.

As for visiting Afghanistan (are you sure it wasn't Pakistan?), do you really think that everyone who goes visits a muslim country should be reported to the police by their neighbours? What kind of a country would that be?There are millions of visits to muslim countries by British people every year, you can't go around informing on everyone, this wasn't a conspiracy by the muslim community to shield terrorists as you seem to be implying but a normal event that nobody deemed worthy of comment.

What is so suspicious about going to london with some mates? I've done it and no one ever suspected i was up to no good. The same applies to british muslims, hindus etc going to pakistan, afghanistan and other countries where they may have family ties or want to visit for other personal reasons. Again as an example i often vist switzerland to see some of my relatives and sometimes because i just like to go there.

I don't see your point, i think you maybe speaking what you see as the truth but the truth is more complicated than you think.

im sorry but Afganistan is not a typical tourist destination. and yes they did go there.

"do you really think that everyone who goes visits a muslim country should be reported to the police by their neighbours?"

no, now dont be silly. just the known terrorists training camps.

Yes the truth is very complicated, anyone who believes tony blair speaks the truth must be stupid. thats what he thinks we are.
to believe him about WMD and iraq.
now he wants us to believe that the london bombings had nothing to do with the war in Iraq. What a load of bullshit, how fookin stupid does he think we are?

The Iraq war, was like throwin water on a chip pan fire.

The good news, (my prediction only) is that i dont think that we will see anymore home grown british muslim suicide bombers. Because if there are any more out there who were thinking of comitting such terror. I think the impact of the whole event has really hit home in the muslim communities around the country. the shock, guilt, embarasment and shame it has brought to their families and friends.
That doesnt rule out new immigrant suicide bombers thou.

I cant really see why a british born muslim should get so upset about his muslim 'brothers' around the world.
its funny how they only care about the ones that have anything to do with the US and Israil.
what about the millions of muslims in war torn Africa that are suffering much worse.
London has the Live8 gig, 8 powerful western countries give aid. no muslim country ever gives jackshit to Africa. the only aid they give is to fund terrorism.

and also the news channels must have read my earlier post last week.
they have suddenly started reporting on the 'terrible' bombings that continue everyday in Baghdad.

Just incase the odd islamic terrorist pops in to our manc thread.
think about it matey, the average englishman now admits the iraq war stinks,
so why should the british public suffer because of politicians?

FC United rule!

But Chasedwar, you ask why the British public should suffer when we all oppose the war in Iraq as though these terrorists are going to say "oh yeah your'e right, sorry about that". It's too simplistic to ask things like that. We should be asking WHAT has made British citizens kill their own fellow countrymen and women. What is it that has made seemingly ordinary lads into mass murderers of thier own people? Yes Iraq isn't helping the perception of the west amongst Muslim's but only a handful bomb. Something needs to be done NOW to reach out to the Muslim communities in this country, is it any surprise they don't feel like they belong when they are constantly under attack from the BNP, even the Tory party was giving them a good kicking at the last election, and iv'e lost count of the amount of times iv'e heard some ASBO dodger calling ANYONE of asian origin a paki. When will the people of this country realize that the vast majority of Muslims here do not hate this country and just want to be able to have a life like the rest of us? When are we truly going to start making people feel welcome in this country? This has to have a bareing on what happened in London, it certainly wasn't about any religious cause, they didn't care if they were killing Muslims either remember. Its a combination of things and its very complex just as you said. We need to stop and think all of us...how many of you now are looking at Asian people differently? Now( I notice) the media are being nice to all Muslims... its so transparant. It's no good looking sorry after all this time, we need action to reach out and help make these young people feel like part of society and worthy, not paki's. That way, they are less likely to turn to hating us so easily.