I was thinking the same. Simpson is a good architect. But after Urbis, 1 Deansgate, Beetham, Crown, Southern Gateway and 2-4 Chester Road, I think we'll have had enough simpson on the skyline for the time being.

Interesting quote from Caw!(makes a change!) :wink2:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=229122&page=3

Personnely I would like to see more Simpson designed buildings in Manchester.

However, I would like to see a different design and different materials on the next building!

Dirtypoodles post from one of the 2 other threads you seem to have created jrb? This is the only one with a poll so I'll leave it.
does barcelona have too much gaudi?*

well no, not IMO

I'm not sure whether manchester will have too much simpson, but it would be nice if it could forge its own distinct brand of architecture. It would be nice to think even if you're in a starbucks, the building thats in makes it unique in the world.

I think theres probably room for a few more.





*somebody will come out with a fact about gaudi only designing .00001 percent of barcas architecture but i hope people get the general point.

if ian is going to design more buildings in manchester he's going to have to adopt new styles.

Dirtypoodles post from one of the 2 other threads you seem to have created jrb? This is the only one with a poll so I'll leave it.

Caw! You are to kind! :master:

Subtracts views should be interesting!:rant:

I'd welcome new designs of the practice if they had a variation of cladding. Dot-dash is nice, but not when it covers the whole city.

Simpsons Manc stuff:

Ossington Court (which looks a bit like some of Simpsons stuff in New Islington)
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/zossington.jpg

Beetham
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/caw1234/P6270041.jpg

Southern Gateway/ATS (ok, it won't be built like this in the end, but still)
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/256WilmotStreetTower_pic1.jpg

Crown/Albany
http://www.property-week.co.uk/Pictures/web/o/x/t/albany1.jpg

1 Deansgate
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/656No.1Deansgate_pic4.jpg

2-4 Chester Road (now redesigned to 17 storeys, we haven't seen a render yet)
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/17802-4ChesterRoad_pic1.jpg

And of course Urbis
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/181Urbis_pic1.jpg

I agree, the dot-dash is already becoming over-familairised.. Whilst in the future it may be nice to have a load of towers and be able to say, theres a simpson, theres another because they'll all stand out for their relation to each other and distinction of other towers.. but just having them, makes it all a little generic me thinks..

I'd love to get the new towers going up that will blend everything together, we have CJC (okay, eventually won't make much on the skyline compared to some), Eastgate.. hopefully a nice Greengate eventually, Hardman sq.. Eventually I'd like to see some really daring shapes on the Manc skyline.. say something a little Criterion place shaped maybe? Who knows.. but at the mo we (am sure) can all 'cope' with a few tall dot-dash boxes ;):P

I think all of Manchester's ISA building's are great,there all different in there own right,i personally think / hope he designs many more for Manchester.

I've always liked Moe's Bar

Seriously, if I didn't already know I'd say all the above were different designers. They're all great designs and there is easily enough variation. ISA are the dogs. Long may their reign continue.

More please. Considering the look of most of the other large schemes planned or going I'm happy for him to do many more. Not to say there aren't faults though.

ha ha im not biting too much on this one but heres my point of view:

In all fairness ISA are striving to build quality iconic structures in the city they love and have built up since the ashes of the 96 bomb. ISA have a style like most practices, they are now being recognised as Skyscraper specialists across the world and now with interest from places like Korea, New York & Hong Kong the quality of Architecture is showing.

Remember you only see what ISA want you to see, you do not see what is being developed for the future and in July you will pretty shocked at what is to come (patience!) the work that is currently being produced is outstanding and to answer any critics, who else is building Manchesters tallest Skyscaper? people 'propose' a lot of schemes but ISA actually build them and build them well and will be building them nation wide for a long long time.

As for styles the things iv'e seen are quite diverse, Altringham Ice Arena being one which is quite different. ISA is also expanding at an incredible rate in Manchester & London which of course brings new influence and creativity to the practice.

ISA also employ a strong multi-media team who experiment with the latest technologys including pioneering 3D presentations.

Personally I think were extremely lucky to have amazing structures like Urbis which create a fantastic impact on the City to its residents and visitors from all across the world. ISA are building all over Manchester and theres more to come but I feel they are outgrowing the city and of course the next challenge ahead is abroad but Manchester will always be the base and it can only be good for this always progressive city.

Creative Ideas;
Building the Vision

www.iansimpsonarchitects.com

ISA, love 'em. I think he/they know how to design a beautiful building. More please.

ISA, love 'em. I think he/they know how to design a beautiful building. More please.

You shall have more! Some people seem to forget other structures that ISA have built in manchester and always aim their critisism at the glass structures but what about Merchants Warehouse, Manchester Museum, MSIM, The Green Room, The Grand Apartments & Piccadily Basin all of these are great quality designs and construction and are different to Urbis, No1 etc..

I like his work. And I'd like to see more of it. We can't forget that Barcelona, Valenica(Calatrava) etc all have a theme. It's what sets them a part from other similar sized citys. Also most of our cities have grand Victorian architecture. . .and no one complains they're similar in terms of aesthetics. I'd like him to continue designing for Manchester, however, I'd also love to see the likes of Foster and Calatrava and other good architects, design a few beauties for Manchester(much like Simpson has). Would also be nice to certain areas have a constant theme. . .ie an area which Foster's designed or one that Simpson has. But I doubt that'll be possible.

But yeah, I like Simpson's work. . . and have been pleased what what I've seen so far.

The only thing that worries me a little is the somewhat similar shape and cladding patterns of Beetham, Crown and ATS. I really hope the next tower to be revealed for Manchester is not a 150m box with dot dash cladding. With Beetham, Crown, Eastgate, and the existing Sunley, CIS, Arndale, we have enough boxy skyscrapers.

Apart from that similarity I've got no complaints. Can't wait to see the new 2-4 Chester Road. Go on Subtract, slap a render up! :yes:


who else is building Manchesters tallest Skyscaper?

Woods Bagot will be soon unless you have some news for us. ;)

subtract you said 'and in july you will be pretty shocked at what is to come (patience)'. Is this a building in Manchester?

Yeah come on Subtract, what you got? Show us something good.

They've probably designed another WTB for Dubai... A 1000m tall Urbis. :ohno:

As long as the designs maintain a degree of individuality and are good for the city, I have no complaints.

Oooh Subs you feckin tease,,,July eh ,,im sure i can be patient enough,,,is this 2-4 or something new what we dont know about,,,just say yay or nay :)

July - Manchester = No unfortunately (sorry lads)

Also ATS will be much different to those initial renders, 2-4 is a complex issue and cant be shown but it was featured in this months NW Insider magazine in an Advertisement if anyone has it?

@Caw again my statement:

who else is 'building' Manchesters tallest Skyscaper? ISA are, ISA are the first for a long time and people have followed, ISA build their vision and build it well, then go onto the next big project.

Ive seen loads of proposals but you've got to admit ISA were first on site and by the time anyone else gets onto site ISA will be building bigger and better :)

July - Manchester = No unfortunately (sorry lads)

Also ATS will be much different to those initial renders, 2-4 is a complex issue and cant be shown but it was featured in this months NW Insider magazine in an Advertisement if anyone has it?

@Caw again my statement:

who else is 'building' Manchesters tallest Skyscaper? ISA are, ISA are the first for a long time and people have followed, ISA build their vision and build it well, then go onto the next big project.

Ive seen loads of proposals but you've got to admit ISA were first on site and by the time anyone else gets onto site ISA will be building bigger and better :)

The ''and in July you will pretty shocked'' building must be Beetham London then.

So, basically, you are indicating that ISA are designing a tower taller/bigger than Eastgate? Cool. :yes:

''you've got to admit ISA were first on site and by the time anyone else gets onto site ISA will be building bigger and better''

So, basically, you are indicating that ISA are designing a tower taller/bigger than Eastgate? Cool. :yes:

''you've got to admit ISA were first on site and by the time anyone else gets onto site ISA will be building bigger and better''
Just because they are designing it doesn't mean it'll be in Manc though...

Anyone who is familiar with ISA's portfolio couldn't possibly say they used the same type of cladding. I personally welcome more ISA buildings for our city and the Barcelona-Gaudi parallel is one I like...... apart from the fact that ISA as a large and growing practice will go wherever there are paying clients. Personally I think its a bit of a shame there will be an ISA designed tower in nearly every major city in the UK. They are one of the most talented and certainly now one of the most high profile architectural practices to come out of Manchester - I just wish we could keep them to ourselves a bit more!!

Two questions -

When will we hear / see more about the ATS tower and 2-4 Chester Road?

How much more work do ISA have in the pipeline for Manchester at the moment? Is it possible to give us a rough idea?

Subtract!

Hopfully Simpsons next tower planned for Manchester(don't mean 2-4 either) will shock us even more then the one being unvailed in July for London? :)

We've heard a rumour up to 20 towers are being prepared/planned for Manchester? Working for Simpson, you must get to hear quite a bit of information from various sources on other proposals? Is this rumour way off the mark or has it got some creability? How many proposed towers have you heard about? Surely this question doesn't compromise you Subtract?

Ps. Don't upset the Scousers! You'll never hear the last of it! :rant:

July - Manchester = No unfortunately (sorry lads)

Also ATS will be much different to those initial renders, 2-4 is a complex issue and cant be shown but it was featured in this months NW Insider magazine in an Advertisement if anyone has it?

@Caw again my statement:

who else is 'building' Manchesters tallest Skyscaper? ISA are, ISA are the first for a long time and people have followed, ISA build their vision and build it well, then go onto the next big project.

Ive seen loads of proposals but you've got to admit ISA were first on site and by the time anyone else gets onto site ISA will be building bigger and better :)


Sub's, looking forward to seeing the new renders for the ATS site tower,,is everything still ok with this one ,cos if i remember rightly,some nimby's on the other side of the Mancunian Way were moaning about it being to tall near there homes,i think this is going to be a beauty when driving over the MW .
Acually im looking forward to seeing any new proposals from ISA , bring em on.

Your last sentence in this post ,are you teasing us with some juicy future news or are you just playing the words to get us going?

Keep up the good work :)

ATS is different and part of something bigger on the table but these thinigs take ages to sort, but is on the back burner for the mo, much bigger fish to fry! theres still things to be achieved in Manchester but as ive said ISA is outgrowing Manchester and with the profile of the practice raising so are the size of developments.

Also about other developments/practices, personally i dont take any real interest in what other people are doing or are trying to do, my focus is purely on ISA and pushing things forward. I read BD and AJ regulary but i barely have enough time to scratch my arse, hence irregular posts on here which i might add i shouldnt be doing but I have found this forum a good source of knowledge and views

As for Liverpool....! I only wish the planning office was as forward thinking as Manchesters as ISA could bring something really special to the docks with Brunswick Quay, just ashame the council dont think that.

The only thing that worries me a little is the somewhat similar shape and cladding patterns of Beetham, Crown and ATS. I really hope the next tower to be revealed for Manchester is not a 150m box with dot dash cladding

I think some of the reasons why these buildings all look quite similar in style is because we have only really seen renders of them, and no matter how good the renders are they just don't seem to be quite accurate. IMHO Beetham looks very different from the original renders. So i'm thinking the other two will also look quite different.

Maybe as an idea for the future, when renders are release a closeup of the cladding or detailed sections should also be released?

I think ISA are doing a stella job. shame were coming to the end.

Subtract!

If all goes to plan and there are no more hitches? Can you give us a rough idea when images of 2-4 will be posted on iansimpsonsarchitects?

Cheers! :)

Subtract!

If all goes to plan and there are no more hitches? Can you give us a rough idea when images of 2-4 will be posted on iansimpsonsarchitects?

Cheers! :)


Could be months, could be a year! depends on the client and if they can sort their side of things out. It was days away from planning then it all went a bit pear shaped! as ever as soon as I know then ill put it up on the site

Could be months, could be a year! depends on the client and if they can sort their side of things out. It was days away from planning then it all went a bit pear shaped! as ever as soon as I know then ill put it up on the site

Cheers Subtract!

Seems to be a bit quiet in Manc at the moment regarding information and images on developments which are apparently at an advanced stage!(Eastage, Crown, No1, 2-4, Greengate, etc, etc)

Shudehill Interchange nearly complete,,,one of Simo's building ,thought i'll throw it in here


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/ANTEATPETE/shudehillint.jpg

Can't fault that for a car park!

Compare it to the brutal new car park being built as part of the MRI redevelopment!

If you see it, you'll know what I mean! :puke:

Shudehill looks even better in the flesh,i was a bit unsure about the glass being like that at first,but it really works well, looks classy

I actually quite like the MRI car park. Its incredibly big but there has been some thought and a bit of money put into the cladding for a change (unlike other MSCP's built for the uni and the hospital in recent years).

As for the Shudehill interchange well Im not sure going from highriser's latest pic. Im not sure I like those gaps they've left between the horizontal bands of glass cladding. Early days yet though. Ill reserve judgement until its complete.

I agree with CAW, love the fact we are getting some tall buildings but would very much like to see some different styles of cladding instead of the dot-dash effect. I'd love it if we got say a 160m-200m tower that was cylindrical(sic?) in shape and completely covered in mirrored glass cladding...now don't get fresh and ask me what I like about that shape :)

I would imagine the gaps are for ventilation, you don't want petrol fumes building up in a totally enclosed space.

Any ISA doubters should definitely keep a keen eye on the Projects and Construction board over the next few days. I may not think that Albany is the best thing since sliced bread (although seeing the larger material in person has convinced me more), but the quality of their next project is of the absolute highest order and will be regarded as one of the most exciting proposals to come forward for a long time. They've certainly been a great practice to work with and the quality of both the design and material they've produced is the best I've seen (both drawn and built, which is the real test of a good architect). The almost unanimous support that the scheme has received to date from all quarters is testament to that. I only hope I get to work with them again in future... and of course that I get to see their first London project built. Having more ISA work in Manchester isn't something to be wary of.

Any ISA doubters should definitely keep a keen eye on the Projects and Construction board over the next few days. I may not think that Albany is the best thing since sliced bread (although seeing the larger material in person has convinced me more), but the quality of their next project is of the absolute highest order and will be regarded as one of the most exciting proposals to come forward for a long time.

I take it this is a londinium proposal your talking about?

Any ISA doubters should definitely keep a keen eye on the Projects and Construction board over the next few days. I may not think .

You know what im talking about ;)

Ive just sat in a presentation of the final document your talking about and its completely blown me away! I saw the Cabe document and was impressed but this is quality and innovation to the highest level! Things i never knew that were possible are integrated and it will knock any doubters away.

it will be a low key launch this week and feature an exclusive in Property Week and will prob feature in BD but they do not have rights to the exclusive image, unless one of the 28 companies working on this have leaked anything!

On another note about 2-4, this week people i promise! keep checking the town hall :) and yes the gaps in Transport Interchange are for ventillation as it is a car park, a very nice one at that though!

You know what im talking about

Ive just sat in a presentation of the final document your talking about and its completely blown me away! I saw the Cabe document and was impressed but this is quality and innovation to the highest level! Things i never knew that were possible are integrated and it will knock any doubters away.

it will be a low key launch this week and feature an exclusive in Property Week and will prob feature in BD but they do not have rights to the exclusive image, unless one of the 28 companies working on this have leaked anything!

Not talking about Manchester here are we?...I Guess not...?

Not talking about Manchester here are we?...I Guess not...?

Nope, mentioned this project quite a few times on here when defending ISALs designs as this will answer every critic. Unfortunately the public will not see the full detail and scale of this project until next year but they will be shown one visual but this is the most ambitious and exciting project ive personally seen and is the next chapter for ISA.

Ey Subs ,,im really looking forward to seeing Albany tower in more detail, i think it will look awesome on that site, have Albany aquired the site yet ?

Ey Subs ,,im really looking forward to seeing Albany tower in more detail, i think it will look awesome on that site, have Albany aquired the site yet ?


No idea to be honest, like most projects i get excited at the start then they go into detailled design and i go onto the next thing. The only thing i heard last from them was the 'name the tower' competition. Its hard to get excited again about other projects when today ive seen in detail our latest development, it puts everything else in the shade!

good. hopefully its a break from the latest ones - mind you the budget will be bigger than albany meaning more to play with.

good. hopefully its a break from the latest ones - mind you the budget will be bigger than albany meaning more to play with.


Its like nothing ISA have ever worked on, 12 months of designing to get to this point which is a complete luxury compared to all other projects. Again detailled information on the building will not come to light until next year, just one image of the form but believe me i could talk all day just about the mechanism that cleans it! Its jaw dropping.

You know what im talking about

Ive just sat in a presentation of the final document your talking about and its completely blown me away! I saw the Cabe document and was impressed but this is quality and innovation to the highest level! Things i never knew that were possible are integrated and it will knock any doubters away.

it will be a low key launch this week and feature an exclusive in Property Week and will prob feature in BD but they do not have rights to the exclusive image, unless one of the 28 companies working on this have leaked anything!

A lot of work has gone into the Design Statement and it looks brilliant. The application drawings in b&w were good, so the colours must be stunning. I guess the launch will be as low key as anything this size can be!

I think the images are safe from being leaked, which has been a real success, although I'm disappointed we've only gone with one in the end - there are a few 'hero shots' that I thought we should have put out, but that's a commercial decision.

I'm looking forward to seeing what other people think of the scheme. We've worked very hard on it and its been a real team effort... I think everybody appreciates what a special project it is, and that is clear to see in the end product.

Anyway, this is a Manchester thread so enough of London, but do check in when renders are posted... then decide whether you want more ISA buildings in your city!

I've emailed Howard Holdings several times, trying to pimp info on 2-4 Chester Road (under the guise of many people including one Lord Cheese, owner of skyscrapercity.com) but they don't seem arsed. This is really bugging me now considering Subs has said a render HAS been released.

Its like nothing ISA have ever worked on, 12 months of designing to get to this point which is a complete luxury compared to all other projects. Again detailled information on the building will not come to light until next year, just one image of the form but believe me i could talk all day just about the mechanism that cleans it! Its jaw dropping.


Right. I can't be arsed reading back. These 'jaw dropping' designs are all for London?

anything else planned for Mancunia?

I've emailed Howard Holdings several times, trying to pimp info on 2-4 Chester Road (under the guise of many people including one Lord Cheese, owner of skyscrapercity.com) but they don't seem arsed. This is really bugging me now considering Subs has said a render HAS been released.

someone needs to get hold of that NW insider, any idea where we can get it subby?

Theres 36 renders of the new development but the reason one has been chosen and its a low-key announcement is that they dont want to cause any real debate or controversy that may affect the planning application. bearing in mind the unique & sensitive location of it things need to be 'dumbed' down until planning has been approved, which im certain it will be granted the amazing input by all the teams invloved.

As for 2-4 ive been told this week is the week, ha ha ive heard that before but was promised this morning so when I get approval I can publish the new images.

Subtract is that new master plan south of Oxford road with a skyscraper. Going to be southgate tower.

someone needs to get hold of that NW insider, any idea where we can get it subby?


We get it by subscription, www.newsco.com might help? But you'll get to see it pretty soon anyway.

@Neil, never heard of Southgate Tower to be completely honest

And yes these 'Jaw Dropping' images are not for the capital of england that is mancunia unfortunately but worth a mention as they are the next installment of the ISA practice.

Subs - I think Neil was referring to the Southern Gateway Tower (as reiterated in todays MEN).

Yes i was, thanks Northbeach, sorry about that.

Northy what the fuck is that ugly thing on your avartar?

^An elongated bent bollock, gently wrapped underneath a discordant 'f*ck-shoulder' hightower.

Im non the fucking wiser,, if that is genitals of some sort,they need the fucking doctor :)

Its Rubber Jonny, the new installment of editing genius from Chris Cunningham. www.warpfilms.com

dgen, PLEASE dont impersonate the team here. it makes it harder for us if someone else is runnign around pretending to be us. was gonna sub to those newsco cds/dvds but their site doesnt understand im not using explorer.

Telling off duly noted, Sir.

So no-one read BD today then? come on people open up to page 3....

Or maybe Property Week?

http://www.property-week.co.uk/

scroll down to see whats happening in the practice.....

Where can you buy property week from, or can you only get it from subscription? If your on about the 68 Stoorey Tower it looks OK in the small picture I can see but I can't get a bigger size one to look at.

Beethams big idea

A north-west group’s 68-storey tower is set to dominate the London skyline.
29.07.2005
By Heather Greig-Smith

this week Liverpool-based developer the Beetham Organization submitted plans for a mixed-use tower that could cap off the renaissance at London’s South Bank.

The £500m glass tower will rise 68 storeys and contain a 440,000 sq ft (40,892 sq m) hotel, 310,000 sq ft (28,800 sq m) of residential space and a public viewing gallery on the top floor.

To be built on the site of the former Sainsbury’s headquarters at the junction of Blackfriars Bridge and Blackfriars Road, the Ian Simpson-designed tower will be 740 ft (226.5 metres) high. This would make it the highest living space and public gallery in the UK.

The scheme would also herald the arrival of Beetham and Simpson in London. The privately owned group is well known in the north-west, where it is developing residential-led towers that are beginning to dominate the Liverpool and Manchester skylines. And Simpson is one of Britain’s best emerging architects but is still better-known in the north of England.

If it wins planning permission from Southwark Council the tower will also illustrate the explosion of high-rise living across Britain.



Time to show London how the North do it.

anymore news on chester road? can you not post the pics here?

Ey Subs,,, i love it, lucky London gits (but some are moaning),,,,if Beetham come knocking on ISA's door for a second time for Manchester,,im full of confidence that you will excel yourselves even further :) Good work mate :applause:

Its mouthwatering, shame the renders dont do it justice and i know it will come into fierce critisism but this scheme has everything you would need in a skyscraper and more. Its so complex its really hard to get your head around it and the way its lit up is jaw dropping!

True i would love to see this in Manchester, not that i could afford to live in it but it was time ISA & Beetham took on the capital

as for 2-4 monday ive been told after a meeting held this morning. tut!

Wonder whats happened to Subtract!

The dove may have had his wings clipped?

Anyone hazard a guess!

His ego seemed to constantly need stroking. He took ISA criticism to heart, as if we were personally damning him and threatening to piss on his kids. That's my take on it anyway. I was getting sick and fucking tired of constantly tripping up on his dummy.

dgnr8: His ego seemed to constantly need stroking. He took ISA criticism to heart, as if we were personally damning him and threatening to piss on his kids. That's my take on it anyway. I was getting sick and fucking tired of constantly tripping up on his dummy.
Huh?

You have got to be fucking kidding.

Come on then, let's hear it. I've got several ideas of what route you're going to go with here so it could be entertaining.

It would have been interesting to see what Subtract would have had to say about the new Simpson tower proposed in London. There wasn't a single comment from him or indeed Britannia, the 2 people who had been hyping it up as a truly outstanding development before it was unveiled to the rest of us.

dgnr8: Subtract is a good bloke with interesting info, it's nice to have an ISA guy on here, and you're insulting him saying stuff like ego needed stroking, piss on his kids, and tripping up on his dummy.

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise I wasn't allowed an opinion.

He's an alright bloke by all means. But did you not notice that whenever somebody criticised an ISA design, the bloke would throw a major hissy fit? He buggered off after people questioned ISA's control over image use. He seemed to think we were all calling him a corporate bitch when in truth, the majority of people were questioning what right ISA had to censor people showing pictures that've already been publicly released. Because of his over-zealousness, one bloke from the Leeds forum had to close down his website. He had a couple of ISA renders on, one that's been publicly available for nigh on 2 years and another of a new development that he'd actually found from a German website and had also been given a frontpage splash in the Yorkshire Evening Post. Yet he demanded all images be removed due to copyright issues. And the whole thing stank, and here's why : he said that the reason ISA don't like images being in the public realm is because it'll give the public chance to study the designs and if they wish, criticise them. So basically, some bloke loses a source of income (his website) on the basis that ISA don't want people to see what they're building until it's too late.

He was brought up on this hugely and since then, he's gone missing. Like I say, I thought the guy was sound, but the boy needed a reality check at times.

And re-read the piss on his kids bit again. It's a popular figure of speech up in my area.

dgnr8: But did you not notice that whenever somebody criticised an ISA design, the bloke would throw a major hissy fit? No, I didn't. You're the one throwing the hissy fits calling good people bad names, then trying to make out like you're only giving an "opinion".

And what's all this "what route you're going to go" crap?

When we walk DGN, we shall wear Shortsite hats upon on our brows.
Heck, we can even have a burst of surreal wisdom embroidered onto our knapsacks.
Proper Dick Withington's guvna.
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