View Full Version : 50 Story Residential - DTLA!!


LosAngelesSportsFan
July 9th, 2005, 03:06 AM
Yes! this area can definitly handle a few more of these and i believe this is just the beginning for residential towers on Hill.

Zen' Tower Could Dominate Historic Core

Kawada Group Plans 50-Story, 300-Condo Structure Near Grand Central Market

by Kathryn Maese

A 50-story residential high-rise, 20 floors higher than the Transamerica Building and nearly as tall as the Wells Fargo Tower, is being planned at the northeast corner of Third and Hill streets.
This parking lot at Third and Hill streets could feature one of the tallest residential towers in Downtown, creating more than 300 condos in a slender high-rise overlooking the Historic Core and the Civic Center. Photo by Gary Leonard.

The Kawada Company of America, which also owns the Kawada Hotel on the northern end of the same block, is in the conceptual design phase for the 302-unit condo tower and 10,000 square feet of retail. If built, it would become a dominant landmark on the Downtown Los Angeles skyline and would further the rush of high-rises expected to be part of the Grand Avenue plan.

The Kawada group will seek city entitlements in the coming months, and has hired Skidmore, Owings & Merrill Design as the architect of the Asian-inspired project dubbed "Zen." Construction is anticipated to last 18 months.

"It is near the historic Broadway core so we certainly will have a style that's compatible, but we will not mimic a historic theme," said John Bowman, a land use attorney for the project. "As it is proposed, it would include a podium level with a taller, slender tower on top of that."

The immediate area around the proposed project has become a mini residential hub wedged between the Civic Center and the Historic Core. Nearby projects that are open or under construction include the Pan American Lofts, Grand Central Square apartments, the 50-unit Douglas Building and the 135-unit Higgins Building. The Victor Clothing Lofts is in the planning stages.

The 26,400-square-foot site of the future development is currently used as a Joe's Parking Lot and neighbors Grand Central Market and the senior housing complex Angelus Plaza. The project is being touted by Kawada as the first new mixed-use high-rise in the district.

Bowman said the podium level would include a ground-floor sports-themed restaurant and lounge, and an upscale mini-market, amenities lacking in an area surrounded largely by office buildings that shut down after 5 p.m. He would not reveal a proposed price for the project.

A 576-space parking garage would rise on seven floors above the podium, and would be topped by a two-story, 50,000-square-foot fitness center and indoor pool. According to the design, the developer is offering a heliport and signage rights on the building for a major advertiser.

In keeping with the Zen theme, each condo will feature a private garden or sunroom. A large roof garden will overlook the Downtown skyline. Pricing has yet to be determined for the units, which will range from 500 square feet to 1,800 square feet. Each of the four penthouses will span 2,300 square feet. High-end Sub-Zero and Wolfe appliances will be standard in every unit.

Bowman said the Kawada Company held a community meeting last month allowing local stakeholders to view the tower's early design and comment on the project.

"We got good feedback from the public and are moving forward with getting entitled," Bowman said. "We had quite a cross section with people in the development community, Angelus Plaza senior complex, people from the city and other agencies. They seemed to be favorably impressed by the project."

For one neighbor, however, the Zen could leave a less than peaceful impression. Urban Pacific Builders' 40-unit Pan American Lofts at 249 S. Broadway - which are scheduled to open early next year - bumps up against the future site, and would essentially lose its skyline views if the tower is built. The developer of the $16 million condo project did not return calls for comment.

Zen would not be the first new housing development to go high-rise. At least a dozen condo towers are in the works or planning stages throughout Downtown, including several in South Park near the Staples Center. Just two blocks away from the proposed Zen site, New York-based Related Companies is planning three condo and apartment towers with a total of 1,000 units along Grand Avenue and Olive Street as part of the $1.8 billion Grand Avenue plan. The latter high-rises would range from 22 to 45 stories.

"Certainly the fact that [Zen] is near those uses is a plus," Bowman said. "I would add that we've got excellent access to transit, the Red Line and it's also in close proximity to the Civic Center, the federal courthouse, and the various cultural attractions."

Though Kawada has other real estate holdings in Japan, this would mark the company's first residential venture in the U.S.

VansTripp
July 9th, 2005, 04:02 AM
Great news. Do you have image of this project?

djm19
July 9th, 2005, 04:13 AM
from reading the article, the company has made a rendering but only shown it to local stakeholders.

Vidiot
July 9th, 2005, 11:39 AM
awwesommme :D

STLSportsFan4
July 9th, 2005, 12:14 PM
sweet deal... any idea how much these will sell for?

Vlad the Great
July 9th, 2005, 08:44 PM
Nice proposal. You get rid of a surface lot and get a 50 story tower :D

LosAngelesSportsFan
July 9th, 2005, 11:13 PM
^ its a new trend in DT LA and im loving it!

soup or man
July 10th, 2005, 06:51 AM
Dumb question..but how tall is a 50 story building?

ProdigalLASon
July 10th, 2005, 09:00 AM
i think they said that this proposed building would be as as the Wells Fargo Tower...pretty tall

Imperfect Ending
July 10th, 2005, 11:38 AM
Who wants to live on the 50th floor?

STLSportsFan4
July 10th, 2005, 01:29 PM
Who wants to live on the 50th floor?
I would... I'm no expert but I would guess the 50th floor would be cheaper but I could be wrong...

Anyone have any idea how much these condos will be going for?

STLSportsFan4
July 10th, 2005, 01:32 PM
Dumb question..but how tall is a 50 story building?
I'm not totally sure but my guess is 600-700 ft

JoeyIncali
July 12th, 2005, 01:19 AM
Dumb question..but how tall is a 50 story building?
Before or after a big earthquake?

Vidiot
July 12th, 2005, 06:24 AM
All modern highrises in downtown survived the '94 Northridge quake. I don't think it's anything to worry about..

STLSportsFan4
July 12th, 2005, 06:37 AM
Before or after a big earthquake?
This is the United States, not Turkey

saiholmes
July 12th, 2005, 07:26 AM
Don't worry! They even did these projects. Japan has big earthquakes too.
click (http://www.kawada.co.jp/global/steel/government.html)
click 2 (http://www.kawada.co.jp/global/steel/landmark.html)
click 3 (http://www.kawada.co.jp/global/steel/dome.html)
The Landmark Tower has 70 floors.

sequoias
July 12th, 2005, 08:14 AM
I would... I'm no expert but I would guess the 50th floor would be cheaper but I could be wrong...

Anyone have any idea how much these condos will be going for?

most of the time the top floors of a condo tower is the most expensive compared to the lower floors. I doubt it will be cheap, :P

Chi_Coruscant
July 13th, 2005, 07:20 AM
That is a great new! Hopefully, 50-story residential tower is elegant and will become a belle of DTLA. And the worst part of good new is waiting for the rendering to come out to the public view.

I and other Chicago forummers have been waiting for while to see the renderings of several proposed towers in Chicago.

Anyway, I keep my fingers crossed for you LA forummers.

LosAngelesSportsFan
July 13th, 2005, 09:10 AM
Thanks! there are several projects im dying to see inlcuding the LA Live, Grand Ave and the Metropolis tower renderings, since these are the tallest LA proposals right now.

Western
July 13th, 2005, 02:59 PM
I hope the design compliments the surrounding historic
buildings. Although i'd take anything over a parking lot. :tongue3:

TICONLA1
July 21st, 2005, 11:45 PM
i think they said that this proposed building would be as as the Wells Fargo Tower...pretty tall



Don't quote me on this, but i think the Well's Fargo Tower is just over, or close to 800' tall, the number 859' sticks in my head, but that could be the AON tower.

This proposed tower, with it's parking, retail, and fitness center levels, in a "podium" structure, and 50 floors of condo's above that, this tower could reach 750' easy. However one must note that the Wells Fargo Tower is almost on top of Bunker Hill, (it's street level enterance, is at about, Elev.400' to 420' (above sea level) as the site for the proposed tower is around, Elev. 280' to 300'.)

Still however, this proposal would be a skygrabber, from an unusual part of the Downtown area, and change the dimension of the skyline from almost any view point.

ChgoLvr83
July 22nd, 2005, 08:04 AM
Is there a scheduled release date for the rendering? I really hope its not a run-of-the-mill design. Btw, who's the firm/architect doing the design, if anyone knows?

i_am_hydrogen
July 22nd, 2005, 08:09 AM
Great news. Good luck trying to contain yourselves while waiting for a rendering to come out. Believe me, it can be tough. :)

vicecityguy
July 22nd, 2005, 09:04 AM
Is there a scheduled release date for the rendering? I really hope its not a run-of-the-mill design. Btw, who's the firm/architect doing the design, if anyone knows?

The Kawada group will seek city entitlements in the coming months, and has hired Skidmore, Owings & Merrill Design as the architect of the Asian-inspired project dubbed "Zen."

i_am_hydrogen
July 22nd, 2005, 11:44 AM
Some SOM projects:

Bank of America Center, San Francisco
http://www.som.com/resources/projects/2/bank_of_america_hq__exteri_1476.jpg

Three First National Plaza, Chicago
http://www.som.com/resources/projects/2/6/0/3fnpext2_678.jpg

Wachovia Financial Center, Miami
http://cache.corbis.com/compwm/10/75/91/10759160.jpg

1100 Louisiana, Houston[/b]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/rotpics03/houston25.jpg

TICONLA1
July 26th, 2005, 04:54 AM
Dumb question..but how tall is a 50 story building?


Back in 1950, after the introduction of centralized heating and air conditioning system's for tall buildings. The floor to floor height was incresed, in new office buildings to accomodate supply and return air ductwork, and other associated equipment.

Floor to Floor height before 1950; 9' 6" to 11' 0"

Floor to Floor height after 1950; 12' 0" to 14' 0"

Then in the early 1990's certain buildings increased this number again, for the introduction of subflooring to accomadate computer and electronic equipment wiring systems. This raised the floor to floor height to as high as 16' 0" in some cases.

But the standard rule of thumb is, an office building at 50 floors, is 700' tall. (or real damn close, with F to F @ 14' 0".

Residential highrise, 50 floors, is between 500' and 550'. (this is becouse all system's are permanent and not subject to change,) As is not the case with office buidings as interior space is changed to accomadate new tenants.

The standard here is F to F, anywhere from, 9' 0" to 11' 0"

Trivia, One of the first, an largest air conditioning retrofitting's was to the 70 story RCA building in Rockafeller plaza, New York City, in 1950.

Thundergod
October 28th, 2010, 12:22 PM
Oh wow what an old threat... :lol:

The project sounds cool...and...????

soup or man
October 28th, 2010, 04:48 PM
You seriously didn't just bump a 5 year old thread just to say that bullshit.

LosAngelesSportsFan
October 29th, 2010, 01:21 AM
Oh wow what an old threat... :lol:

The project sounds cool...and...????


it finished construction. sick ass building....