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itom 987
July 10th, 2005, 04:56 AM
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Downtown condo plan takes shape
Carma, Abbey Lane pitch eight-tower vision

Ron Chalmers
The Edmonton Journal

July 9, 2005

EDMONTON -- Carma Developers and Abbey Lane Homes are planning to build eight condominium towers surrounded by townhouses on an entire city block at the north edge of the downtown.

The two companies have assembled almost all of the land north of the Baccarat Casino parking lot from 105th to 106th Avenue between 102nd and 103rd Streets.

Doug Kelly, a Carma senior vice-president, expects to submit a development proposal and a re-zoning application within three weeks.

"We hope to have it before city council by the end of the year," he said Friday.

Construction of the first tower could start late in 2006, and finish 18 months later.

The entire project, with 550 units, would be built over eight to 10 years, depending on market demand, Kelly said.

The townhouses will line the perimeter of the block, with a grassed, three-metre setback from the sidewalk.

The narrow, six-sided towers will be built on top of broader, square parking garages. Part of the garage roofs will be finished as recreation areas.

The towers will be oriented diagonally, rather than parallel to the streets, "to give a variety of views," Kelly said. They will be clustered in two X-shaped formations.

All buildings will be condos, rather than rental apartments. Sizes and layouts will depend on the target market.

"There is a growing working population downtown," Kelly said. "We'll have to cater to that."

Most units, including the townhouses, will have only one or two bedrooms. "My suspicion is that it will be mostly singles and married couples without kids," Kelly said.

One tower may be designed especially for seniors.

This will be the first Carma/Abbey Lane joint venture. The two companies both owned land on the block and saw that, by working together, they could create a more integrated design -- especially of the green spaces between the buildings.

Kelly credited the Central McDougall Community League with offering good advice on community housing needs and harmonious design.

The land is now vacant except for one small building on a lot that the developers are negotiating to buy. Without it, the project still could proceed -- with one fewer tower, Kelly said.

The project was enabled by city council's recent amendment of the Central McDougall/Queen Mary Park area redevelopment plan.

That plan designates a strip of land on the north edge of the downtown, between 105th and 106th Avenues, from 101st to 117th Street, for residential use, as part of a strategy to encourage the construction of new housing for 6,500 residents.

Much of the land was previously earmarked for industrial use.

The plan provides for the city to collect a levy from north edge developers to fund streetscape improvements including landscaping, furniture, decorative lighting and public art. Instead of paying that levy, Kelly said, Carma/Abbey Lane will propose to spend the money directly on improvements -- ensuring that they are in place when the properties are marketed.

The city's plan includes a restriction of vehicle traffic on 105th Avenue and construction of a multi-use trail, up to 10 metres wide, beside the avenue. Land on the south side of 105th Avenue is reserved for an eventual LRT extension.

orth edge housing proposals are also being prepared by BCM, Genstar, and Christenson development companies.

Greg Christenson, president of Christenson Developments Ltd., hopes to start construction in 2006. He has three parcels of land on the south side of 105th Avenue.

Two buildings, immediately east and west of 113th Street will be "active adult condominiums" with a total of 140 to 160 units, he said.

A third site, between 111th and 112th Streets, will provide up to 12 storeys of seniors' assisted living, with professional office spaces on the main floor.

rchalmers@thejournal.canwest.com

© The Edmonton Journal 2005

ssiguy2
July 10th, 2005, 05:28 AM
Way to go Edmonton. Seems like downtown is hummin.
Does anyone have a RECENT aeriel of Edmonton. Many are 3-5 years old which wouldn't include all the development in the last few years and how is changed the skyline and downtown urban area.

vid
July 10th, 2005, 05:29 AM
Nice! Is there ever gonig to be a colour rendering, or are we going to have to wait nutil the finished thing? :p

ssiguy2
July 10th, 2005, 05:33 AM
BTW.........what is RiceHoward Way? Is it an interesting street or really much to do about nothing. Couldn't find its website.

When you hear about Edmonton shopping/restaurant areas you hear about 2 things........WED & Strathcona. What about downtown?
You always see skyline pics but I have been alble to find no streetscenes of downtown and the WestEnd.

oceanmdx
July 10th, 2005, 05:44 AM
Typical ugly Edmonton-type highrises. Why can't they do something that looks great? Why can't Edmonton be more like Calgary?

addisonwesley
July 10th, 2005, 05:47 AM
Holy Crap! Those look like tridel condos, ackk. Is that just an artists concept or are the buildings actually going to be that far back from the street? Oh wait, there's townhomes there, aha. Wouldn't some of you agree that the layout scheme is kind of suburban? I mean, wouldn't it be better to have to condos along the street - with the townhomes behind them so as to make it look more dense (unless the is going to be suburbanesque, in that case I have no quarrel)? Having parking garages is much better than parking lots though - good on that.

ssiguy2
July 10th, 2005, 06:06 AM
Hoe dense is the area between Downtown and StoneyPlain along Jasper. Is it busy at night with pedestrians or just cars going by?
Are the stores interesting or just chains? Are the shops/restaurants up against the street or set back with parking in front like suburbia?
It seems impossible to just get streetscene pics of Edmonton except OldStrathcona but thats not downtown. It reinforces the idea people have of Edmonton..........a empty downtown and a big mall.
I know there is more than that but I can't find any streetscene pics to prove me wrong.

cmd uw
July 10th, 2005, 07:50 PM
Holy Crap! Those look like tridel condos, ackk. Is that just an artists concept or are the buildings actually going to be that far back from the street? Oh wait, there's townhomes there, aha. Wouldn't some of you agree that the layout scheme is kind of suburban? I mean, wouldn't it be better to have to condos along the street - with the townhomes behind them so as to make it look more dense (unless the is going to be suburbanesque, in that case I have no quarrel)? Having parking garages is much better than parking lots though - good on that.
Creating a townhouse podium along the street creates a more pedestrian friendly environment. Having your highrise towers setback allows more light to penetrate the street in addition, it creates a less intrusive feel.

Can this project improve, certainly. Is it the best proposal in terms of architectural quality, no. The Illuminada, Jasper Properties and One River Park are much, much nicer than these towers.

cmd uw
July 10th, 2005, 08:05 PM
Hoe dense is the area between Downtown and StoneyPlain along Jasper. Is it busy at night with pedestrians or just cars going by?
Are the stores interesting or just chains? Are the shops/restaurants up against the street or set back with parking in front like suburbia?
It seems impossible to just get streetscene pics of Edmonton except OldStrathcona but thats not downtown. It reinforces the idea people have of Edmonton..........a empty downtown and a big mall.
I know there is more than that but I can't find any streetscene pics to prove me wrong.
Ok to answer your previous inquiry, Rice Howard Way is located in the middle of the financial district and is home to many great restaurants and a few lounges/ bars/ pubs. Of course, during the day it is very busy with office workers eating at the restaurants and hot dog vendors. During the evening, it slows down. However, over the past couple years as a result of the increasing downtown population, there has been more pedestrian activity after 5pm. During the summer months, Rice Howard Way is alot busier particularly when there are large events taking place at the Churchill Square (located one block east).

The Jasper area from 109 Street to 124 Street (where it connects to Stony Plain) is quite dense. In fact, I believe the Oliver Neighbourhood is one of the most dense neighbourhoods in Canada. Pedestrian activity along this strip is healthy but clustered near different sections along the strip. The most activity takes place between 109 Street and 115 Street as there are many lounges, restaurants, bars, retail establishments along this part of Jasper. Another activity pocket is on Jasper and 117 - 119 Streets as there are also a couple of restaurants (Plaka Greek Restaurant, Earl's Tin Palace) and bar/lounges (Buddy's, Suede) and retail areas (Mac's, Rexall, future Starbucks).

After that, pedestrian activity is minimal until you reach 124 Street. This area maintains a relatively healthy pedestrian activity as there are many boutique retail stores, restaurants and small-eating establishments in this area.

One day I'll go out and snap some pic of these areas to show you how they are.

ssiguy2
July 10th, 2005, 11:54 PM
That would be great because all the stuff about Strathcona makes it seem that is the only interesting area of the city.
I remember 10 years ago when they called Jasper Ave Casper Ave as it was so dead. Its great to see things have changed but pics would be great.
I've gone to different Edmonton sites and they NEVER have streetscenes of downtown.

CanadianCentaur
July 11th, 2005, 05:34 AM
@ssiguy2 - you said you wanted to see recent pics of Edmonton outside Old Strathcona?

Well, check these out - I took all those pics of my neighbourhood (Oliver) in late June and just last week. I can tell you it's definitely better than what it used to be over 10 years ago. These are all from SSP - I usually post my pics there.

The Centaur's neighbourhood in the summer: Part I - the western half (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?threadid=79926)
The Centaur's neighbourhood in the summer: Part II - the eastern half (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?threadid=80486)
The Centaur's Neighbourhood in the summer: Part III - South of Jasper Avenue (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?threadid=80711)

I may go and take some pics of the downtown core later this week, but right now I've got a bit of the flu.

ssiguy2
July 11th, 2005, 06:57 AM
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!
I went thru all three of the neighbour links you gave me, you did a wonderful job!
Wow, amasing how much is going on Edmonton, not only highrises but low rises as well. You need a diverse range and sort of housing to bring a diverse populace.
RailTown looks to have changed overnight.
It still will take awhile for all the parking spots to be filled in but it will come at the rate the downtown is developing.
These arte more of the city scenes the city and tourism site should advertise. They give the impression there is no interesting area except OldStrathcona which does downtown Edmonton a true disservice.

cmd uw
July 11th, 2005, 05:31 PM
ssiguy - I suggest you send an email to the tourism bureau and Edmonton Economic Development Corporation to let them know your thoughts.