yes thats true.. i believe the main issue was the massing.... do they increas massing in that section toward the rest of the scheme of increase it away from the rest of the scheme to give a book end!

Engles, you are correct. Speaking to developers and architects the area around Curzon Station will be the first to go up.

Engles, you are correct. Speaking to developers and architects the area around Curzon Station will be the first to go up.

Thanks Simon

I'm guessing it will be buildings 1, 13 and 14 along with the associated street works.

Note, no mention of residential in the press release, and...

http://i10.tinypic.com/6gtzyg5.jpg

So, that rules out 9-14, unless they change plans some.

I think, building 1, facing BCU, and maybe 14 as a hotel.

Some bits and pieces from the Committee report for this


The bulk and massing of the scheme is broken down into 2 distinct zones configured as
parallel east west bands. The circulation spine through the site is in the form of a crescent, with the plots adjacent to Curzon Street Station being angled to align with the geometry of New Canal Street and the orientation of Curzon Street Station. Secondary routes are orientated north-south. The primary crescent route is reinforced by landscaping and the crescent emanates from the Western Gateway, a new public space focused on the Curzon Street Station building which allows the creation of an appropriate setting for this Grade I listed building.

The site's corner buildings specifically refer to Birmingham's tradition of 'flat iron' buildings, whilst maintaining flexibility for each plot.

The new buildings have been specifically designed so that their scale is at a maximum in the centre of the site, then gradually decreasing in height in both east and west directions to the Digbeth Branch Canal and the Station building.

http://stevenhowson.com

Found this in the commercial part, looks like renders for the hotel element of the scheme?

Nice find! I like it! :)

*sigh* I hate being reminded of this masterplan. It's awful.

if they ever put in a planning application for this and it get aproved we can say good bye to eastside and hello to blandness

The hotel looks like a bland effort for Broad St in the seventies .However , the Walsall project looks fantastic .

Note, no mention of residential in the press release, and...


So, that rules out 9-14, unless they change plans some.

I think, building 1, facing BCU, and maybe 14 as a hotel.
That's all correct. :)

Architect (masterplanner) is Hamiltons?

yes...

Further to comments on another thread, I thought I'd revive this one. This is what Grainger's website says:

http://www.graingerplc.co.uk/images/developments/Curzonweb.jpg

Development
Residential led mixed use
Curzon Park, Birmingham
Curzon Park, Birmingham

Through Grainger's collaborative (50:50) agreement with Development Securities this 10 acre site in Central Birmingham was acquired in December 2006. Scheme design is progressing with infrastructure works scheduled to commence in 2010.

Contact: Mark Woodrow
Email: mwoodrow@graingerplc.co.uk
Tel: 020 7795 4700
Project partner: Development Securities
Architect: Hamiltons
Acquisition complete: December 2006
Residential units: 400,000 sq ft
Other uses: 800,000 sq ft offices, 220 bed hotel, 20,000 sq ft retail, 1,430 parking spaces
Status: Outline planning consent obtained in July 2008
Estimated timing: On site 2010
Estimated GDV: £300m

So could that mean that the road running through the centre will start around then or works relating to Curzon Street and the like will be?

"On site 2010" :)

I really hope this is the saving grace for Eastside

I have recently taken quite a few pictures round the Eastside and Curzon St. area, and added them to the Panoramio web site. I have also linked them to Google maps.

Here is my page

http://www.panoramio.com/user/3749097

There are 47 pictures at the moment (numbered 1 to 47), but I took more this last weekend so will be adding them to the website over the next couple of weeks.

Some of them are of buildings, or cleared areas, others are panorama shots, where I take 3 or 4 pictures panning acorss the whole view.

Im not being nasty but can you stop posting the above post on every thread to do with the eastside.

:)

Im not being nasty but can you stop posting the above post on every thread to do with the eastside.

real talk, co-sign

Im not being nasty but can you stop posting the above post on every thread to do with the eastside.

Sorry, but there are half a dozen or more Eastside forums, and I have no idea if people look at all of them, so was just trying to make sure all those interested in Eastside knew about them.

Is there one "catch all" Eastside forum, if so could not find one.

Nope, just threads for the different schemes.

Can i suggets hyperlinking in (using img tags) a teaser picture in future - one relevant to the thread it is on then it will look a bit less odd when you post links to the same pictures in different threads.

Just to say we all really appreciate the photgraphy of those forumers who contribute through photogrpahy - it's just easier to view them in thread for most people but do understand if people don't want to do that so often people use thumbnails or a teaser picture in that case.

Nope, just threads for the different schemes.

Can i suggets hyperlinking in (using img tags) a teaser picture in future - one relevant to the thread it is on then it will look a bit less odd when you post links to the same pictures in different threads.

Just to say we all really appreciate the photgraphy of those forumers who contribute through photogrpahy - it's just easier to view them in thread for most people but do understand if people don't want to do that so often people use thumbnails or a teaser picture in that case.

Ok thanks for that.

As you can see I am new to these forums so dont want to upset anyone.

I have already linked to one picture in another forum (Eastside locks) but it came out huge, how do I make it display smaller, like the poster has done with one of my pictures at the end of the "Eastside" forum.

(I have done a little bit of web developent so have some knowledge of HTML)

If you want to display a smaller image then you need to have a smaller image saved somewhere - the img tags here just show what are between them so if you save a smaller version somewhere such as on photobucket or as a thumb elsewhere which hyperlinks through you can achieve the required effect

Here is a panorama of the Curzon Street site as it was on Sunday 18th October 2009 (made up of 6 individual pictures).

The original picture is 8999x1851 pixels so is huge, but the one below has been reduced to 3000x617 pixels and been uploaded to photobucket.

UPDATE: I have moved all my panorama photographs into one topic.

The Curzon Street panorama can be seen here:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=48489131&postcount=4

To see all my panoramas go here:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1024483
.

:cheers: Very good

Shows what a blank canvas much of Eastside is - there is very little except Curzon St Station to hang new development off. That said you can also a lot of the area near the city centre has been occupied quickly once Masshouse Circus was felled - there's about 6 or 7 large buildings that have been completed in Eastside almost all on the city side.

Plenty of land is ready for the future but I have to say i am a little disappointed that the private sector didn't get more done here during the boom - in part I think the council must take a fair share of the blame for this as they could have laid down a cheap park quickly back in 2003 or 04 and then slowly upgraded it rather than this drawn out wait until 2011, that's 10 years after they first proposed it as the centre piece of Eastside.

Personally, I think the council should take more blame for the fact that the area hasn't turned out to be the oasis of sustainability and eco-technology that they had proposed. Even the approved projects don't exhibit nearly a quarter of what the council banged on about. In that respect, Eastside is a failure.

Hear hear. A real missed opportunity there.

First post on here since late October, shows you how little is happening.

Just posted a new panorama of the Curzon Park site, and I think it gives an idea what a HUGE site it is.

See here

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=53275641&postcount=39

I reckon the Curzon Park concept is now dead in the water - a new proposal in 10 years once Hs2 in under construction then

A real shame this deffinatly was my favourite development within the eastside. :(

The developers are looking for a hotel operator for the first phase of the development. The design is more or less sorted for the hotel.

I'm glad to see the back of this, I always thought the plan was terrible.

it wasnt the best of proposals and i think would have ended up as a bit of a deat scheme

so, im just wondering... what happens now that this site has been ear marked? they have outline permission right... so im guessing any new permission is refused and the land will be cpo'd?

Well, the route shown is the preferred route for the line but is by no means solid. The plans can be scrapped.

So, they can still apply for reserved matters permission with regards to the outline application until such time as a CPO is issued. It would be a bit of a waste of time on the developer's part if they kept proposing and building on this site when a CPO may be imminent. But as the line plans aren't set in stone by any stretch, it's still business as usual.

hmmmm so basically a smart developer wont do nothing at all untill may?

This is the Curzon Gate site now.

Has a banner on Curzon Street for Curzone.

(this shot came out too dark)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5180/5445917571_b1f33c499e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/5445917571/)
Eastside - Curzon Park - Curzon Street - Curzone banner (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/5445917571/) by ell brown (http://www.flickr.com/people/ell-r-brown/), on Flickr

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4074/5446535958_621c985244_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/5446535958/)
Eastside - Curzon Park - Curzon Street - Curzone banner (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/5446535958/) by ell brown (http://www.flickr.com/people/ell-r-brown/), on Flickr

Close up of the back of Curzon Street Station

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5294/5446521660_7cf394529c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/5446521660/)
Eastside - Curzon Park - back of Curzon Street Station (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/5446521660/) by ell brown (http://www.flickr.com/people/ell-r-brown/), on Flickr

Skyline views and former platforms of the long gone station

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4137/5445922655_caa072ceba_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/5445922655/)
Eastside - Curzon Park - old disused platforms and Birmingham Skyline (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/5445922655/) by ell brown (http://www.flickr.com/people/ell-r-brown/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5214/5446526720_7d2af10d6e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/5446526720/)
Eastside - Curzon Park - old disused platforms (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/5446526720/) by ell brown (http://www.flickr.com/people/ell-r-brown/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5171/5446530362_f4127b09fd_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/5446530362/)
Eastside - Curzon Park - old disused platforms and Birmingham Skyline (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/5446530362/) by ell brown (http://www.flickr.com/people/ell-r-brown/), on Flickr

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4102/5446533508_5b0e843f6f_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/5446533508/)
Eastside - Curzon Park - old disused platforms and Birmingham Skyline (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/5446533508/) by ell brown (http://www.flickr.com/people/ell-r-brown/), on Flickr

Shots from January 2010 through the fence on Curzon Street of the platforms

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2697/4314994144_8cf299ca1a_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/4314994144/)
Surviving old platforms of Curzon Street Station (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/4314994144/) by ell brown (http://www.flickr.com/people/ell-r-brown/), on Flickr

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4010/4314995636_06318ec069_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/4314995636/)
Surviving old platforms of Curzon Street Station (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/4314995636/) by ell brown (http://www.flickr.com/people/ell-r-brown/), on Flickr

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4066/4314260651_44b0cf29d2_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/4314260651/)
Surviving old platforms of Curzon Street Station (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/4314260651/) by ell brown (http://www.flickr.com/people/ell-r-brown/), on Flickr

With the Fun Fair, February 2010

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4030/4382636903_55f7306814_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/4382636903/)
Fun Fair in Eastside - Carnival Fun Fair - Welcome - Entrance and rides including: Wave Swinger, Wild Mouse and Storm (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/4382636903/) by ell brown (http://www.flickr.com/people/ell-r-brown/), on Flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2772/4383398458_d5770238ae_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/4383398458/)
Fun Fair in Eastside (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/4383398458/) by ell brown (http://www.flickr.com/people/ell-r-brown/), on Flickr

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4038/4382650051_3c0dae4b83_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/4382650051/)
Fun Fair in Eastside - Wild Mouse (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/4382650051/) by ell brown (http://www.flickr.com/people/ell-r-brown/), on Flickr

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4062/4382700321_0cf53e8f3c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/4382700321/)
Fun Fair in Eastside from Curzon Street (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/4382700321/) by ell brown (http://www.flickr.com/people/ell-r-brown/), on Flickr

Close up of the back of Curzon Street Station

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5294/5446521660_7cf394529c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/5446521660/)
Eastside - Curzon Park - back of Curzon Street Station (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/5446521660/) by ell brown (http://www.flickr.com/people/ell-r-brown/), on Flickr



What an insult, i honestly hope this is brought back to life

What an insult, i honestly hope this is brought back to life

What happened to the original windows at the back, replaced by wooden panels? It's Grade I listed! That side faces to New Canal Street. So assume that the entrance and exit was onto New Canal Street (and not Curzon Street).

Have a look at this old article on the BBC Beeching & Birmingham (http://www.bbc.co.uk/birmingham/content/articles/2008/10/14/beeching_birmingham_feature.shtml)

Old images of Curzon Street Station from 1840.

http://www.railalbum.co.uk/early-railways/images-lbr/lbr-curzonstreet-1840.jpg
The northern terminus of the London and Birmingham Railway was Curzon Street Station in Birmingham. This is the imposing entrance to the station in 1840. The station also acted as terminus for the Grand Junction Railway so acting as a link in the railway from London to Liverpool and Manchester.

http://www.railalbum.co.uk/early-railways/images-lbr/lbr-cuzonstreethitel-b.jpg
Another view of the Curzon Street building. Some sources refer to this as the station building, while other refer to it as the Curzon Street Hotel. Perhaps it served both functions.

London & Birmingham Railway (http://www.railalbum.co.uk/early-railways/london-birmingham-railway-3.htm)