Mentioned a few programmes in the past. I think a thread of it's own is deserved.

Here's one I sent to the Manc Forum.
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Any of you watched Channel 4's "The British Middle Class" tonight?

It was mainly about the rage in Victorian times for constructing municipal buildings in the classical style. Big bias towards Venetian Gothic. Mancland's, Leeds' and Glasgow's architecture was mainly shown.

I never realised Old Trafford was on the grounds (Old Trafford Park) of an Art exhibition in the 1850's that was attended by over 1.5 million people. Apparently the building was similar to Crystle Palaces'.

Judging by the drawings, it was one massive f**k off building.

Apart from the Deadwood series (starring Ian Manc McShane btw) this was the most enjoyable programme I've seen all year :cheers: :cheers:

I saw it too. Some good shots of Liverpool buildings and it did begin and end at the Albert Dock.

That Manchester exhibition was amazing. Shows that some things never change - the South East duke who wanted to know what a place like Manchester would want with pictures and that it should stick with cotton spinning. Also, the Manchester idea that it could demonstrate its cultural superiority by having the biggest art exhibition anywhere, by collecting paintings from all over Britain. I think that mentality is still in Manchester today.

I watched also, was very interesting, you can see all the Italian influenced buildings in Liverpool, Albany, Port of Liverpool, Cunard, Midland Goods Depot, Lots of stuff on Castle Street etc. Manchester does have a lot of great Italian influenced architecture also. Glad the program mentioned Liverpool's century's old culture, because some people don't believe there is/was any here, hence the suprise some had when we won C.o.C.

Program about tough cities tomorrow Ch 5.

Glasgow 11.05pm then Liverpool 11.35pm Ch 5.


Click on link here, Macintyre's Toughest Towns Channel 5 (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16206460%26method=full%26siteid=50061%26headline=taking%2don%2dtough%2dtowns-name_page.html)

Anyone see 51st State?

Crap, but sort of knows it.

Lots of dodgy scouse accents obviously.

Emily mortimer's was convincing, perhaps surprisingly. and hot damn she's foxy. always liked'em skinny. Ahhh, I digress, Bobbie Carlyle's accent was even worse than the one he attempted as Abie in Cracker.

You think so?

"Felix, dat town az nothin ter offur meee" :D

....No, you're right, it wasn't too bad.

"Convincing" was perhaps a bit too complementary, but not a comedy turn like Robert Carlyle anyway.

Anyone see 51st State?

Crap, but sort of knows it.

Lots of dodgy scouse accents obviously.
I seen it last night cringeing all the way through it and the skinheads were pathetic.

Anyone see 51st State?

Crap, but sort of knows it.
Lots of dodgy scouse accents obviously.

A few stills from the film
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Well at least two of those views have changed for the better!

They could have made Liverpool look better. It looked cold and grimey. Should have shot it in the summer.

They could have made Liverpool look better. It looked cold and grimey. Should have shot it in the summer.
It was done all wrong Shooters is the best Liverpool crime film.

A decent script might have helped too.

I think the Manchester exhibition thing was much closer to the cricket ground than the football ground.

Several pubs around the area I live (Sale - which is just south of Old Trafford) have pictures on the wall of the events.

The main building seems to have been right next to the railway (that is now a tram line) and canal (Bridgewater).

Cannot remember of the top of my head, but some of the statistics for the place are amazing.

It is also interesting to see what the surrounding area was like in those days, it was basically on the outskirts of the industrial Manchester - today it is virtually considered city centre.

There were fields upon fields to one side.

All good stuff, shame we didn't manage to preserve it, however, I suppose the people of that day would be amazed if they were to return today, they's see a football stadium being expanded to hold 76,000 people (wonder how many lived in Manchester in the mid-1800's) and looking towards what would have been Manchester they'd have seen a 171m building under construction just 800m away.

Im sure Liverpools top gangsters dont drive around in old jags and wear their out dated liverpool top everyday.

Program about tough cities tomorrow Ch 5.

Glasgow 11.05pm then Liverpool 11.35pm Ch 5.


Click on link here, Macintyre's Toughest Towns Channel 5 (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16206460%26method=full%26siteid=50061%26headline=taking%2don%2dtough%2dtowns-name_page.html)
Just announced that the programme can't be shown "for legal reasons"

They showed some American murder trial instead. Anyone know why? :?

Oh yeah, and 51st State is on E4 this Friday night. Cringe! :|

"With Sinbad from Brookie". Classic. :D

Well at least two of those views have changed for the better!

I would have preferred the flats to stay in Old Swan and have been done up. They provided a bit of a downtown feel outside of the city centre.
That shed that took its place certainly aint going to win any design awards.

They showed some American murder trial instead. Anyone know why?

They said something about legal reasons.

They showed some American murder trial instead. Anyone know why?

They said something about legal reasons.
Guess...! Probably because some of the crims featured in the program, have now got a court case pending against them.

On telly now, MacIntyre's Toughest Town, Belfast. Don't know whether its the toughest town, but it has to be one of the most fucked up. I was a kid when "The Troubles" started and recall a load of mainly Catholic Irish kids coming over to Liverpool to stay with their rellies :bash:

Just watched a news article on Sky news about the decline of Church attendances and the re-use of abandoned churches, visiting re-used churches in Manchester and Liverpool. Liverpool's oldest surviving church building St Peter's on Seel St, (now Alma De Cuba bar) was featured, and i must say the interior looked stunning. A woman was moaning about it's re-use as a bar, but the church and it's flock were the one's who left it to rot, and didn't come up with their own re-use scheme, so no case really. Anyway the church allways use the argument that its the congregation that counts, not the building.

Pity Sky news didn't mention this place was in Liverpool.


P.s. There is an Alma De Cuba in Philadelphia
Click here for Philadelphia (http://www.almadecubarestaurant.com/)

Or if that's too far to travel, visit Liverpool site
Click here for Liverpool (http://alma-de-cuba.com/)

A woman was moaning about it's re-use as a bar, but the church and it's flock were the one's who left it to rot, and didn't come up with their own re-use scheme, so no case really. Anyway the church allways use the argument that its the congregation that counts, not the building.




Totally agree, better to see it being used then abandoned or demolished.

In Stoke (Hanley) there is a Methodist chapple it was featured on Restoration, it's a great building but the only people who use it are drug addicts and prostitutes. The methodists have had two offers, one from a bingo hall and the other from a pub chain to buy it and restore it. Both offers have been rejected because they don't want it being used for gambling or the consumption of alcahol. Instead they would rather it collapse and be used by druggies :bash:

Just watched a news article on Sky news about the decline of Church attendances and the re-use of abandoned churches, visiting re-used churches in Manchester and Liverpool. Liverpool's oldest surviving church building St Peter's on Seel St, (now Alma De Cuba bar) was featured, and i must say the interior looked stunning. A woman was moaning about it's re-use as a bar, but the church and it's flock were the one's who left it to rot, and didn't come up with their own re-use scheme, so no case really. Anyway the church allways use the argument that its the congregation that counts, not the building.

Pity Sky news didn't mention this place was in Liverpool.


P.s. There is an Alma De Cuba in Philadelphia
Click here for Philadelphia (http://www.almadecubarestaurant.com/)

Or if that's too far to travel, visit Liverpool site
Click here for Liverpool (http://alma-de-cuba.com/)

I have been in there and it has got to be the classiest bar outside london. The interior is absolutely stunning.

I've always wondered why the bombed-out churchhasn't been converted into a commercial venture. S'pose it's interesting for it to have a load of trees growing out of it though.

^^ I believe that it is left as it is as a memorial to those who died in the German bombing raids on Liverpool during the Second World War.

There were, however, ambitious proposals to turn the church into a "UN Peace Centre" a few years ago, although I've not hear anything about that idea for a while.

I have been in there and it has got to be the classiest bar outside london. The interior is absolutely stunning.

I agree,

I have actually been in St Peters when it was a `quite church` at the back end of no where..... it`s a stunning conversion - i`m only sorry that it might have been deemed appropriate to remove the `High Altar` picture?

The night I was there it was heaving (pumping...) and everyone seemed to be having a good time.

Similar to `Trials`(Former bank) Castle Street and `Brockers Bars` (former bank) Old Hall Street.

They don`t build `em like that anymore.

I can`t quite see a `Kwiksave` conversion having the same appeal.....

:cheers:

brilliant megastructures programme on Channel 5 now... about Boston's Big Dig
http://www.masspike.com/bigdig/index.html

Shows how small our one is... also the number of catastrophes makes the number of complaints made about our's...well...er, like whinging scousers!

I've read about this 'Big Dig' before, isn't billions of dollars over budget and light years behind schedulel? I think I remember them talking about putting a couple of motorway lanes underneath the city. Actually they've done that in Sydney, linking the Western Suburgs to the Eastern Suburbs, it was open around the time I was there, September last year.

Very positive coverage on main BBC television news last night of LIPA's 10 year anniversary celebrations. Lipa was described as one of the most renowned institutes of the performing arts in the world. Past graduates were interviewed (briefly). Royal court was also shown and info given about current production of Billy Liar. Year of Performance (this year) and CoC also mentioned.

[thanks to Gareth and his index thread yet again :cheers:]

I know it's a repeat, but Bill Bailey doing a Kraftwerk version of the Okey Cokey tonight. Fucking hilarious :cheers:

Shall watch out for that lil rib-tickler.

I missed it but apparently the Picket was mentioned in the Politics Show on BBC1 last Saturday. Are they still moving it to a warehouse off Jamaica Street, I heard John Moores Jnr, the Littlewoods heir, was behind an arts thing there.

Don't know much about the Picket nowadays.
Check out http://www.savethepicket.com/ The site looks shite, but there's some cracking photos of various bands. Love these ones of The La's and JP:cheers:

http://www.savethepicket.com/images/las.jpg

http://www.savethepicket.com/images/peel.jpg

Womens marathon just started... men start at 11.20p.m gmt

running around the city "skyscrapers and history" as rthe commentator sort of said!

It will make every Liverpool skyscraper fancier will cry when we tot our missed opportunities... and look at what melbourne got by not being nobheads!

Model Katie Downes tells Adrian Butler why she traded her luxury lifestyle for a more ordinary existence

KATIE Downes becomes a cleaner. For the sort of reader used to seeing the Scouse stunner posing topless for men's magazines, it sounds like great news.

Would our Katie be dressing as a steamy French maid in a ladmag shoot with Leilani Dowling and Sophie Howard? Or would she be reprising the role of "Sexy Window Washer" she brought so much conviction to in the film Deuce Bigalow: European Gigolo?

Not exactly. Huyton-born Katie was scrubbing a smelly men's urinal in a sleepy seaside town.

She had swapped lives with skint cleaner Michelle McManus - no, not the one from Pop Idol - for reality TV show Poor Little Rich Girls, with Katie starring as the rich one.


It's not quite Panorama -ladmag readers won't be disappointed to hear there's plenty of gratuitous nudity.


But we're used to seeing all the hackneyed old stereotypes about Liverpool on TV, so it makes a change to see a Scouser on the rich side.


And it was no picnic for the 4ft 11ins glamour girl - things actually got worse than viewers will see tonight.


"They weren't filming it when I was attacked," she says.


"I was asking a woman to rinse the sand off her kids' feet. I just had to tell them because it was my job.


"She came up to me and said,' you're not even old enough to work in this toilet!' She must have thought I was a 17-year-old.


"I felt like saying 'I'm 21!'"


Katie's boss spoke to the woman, but soon she was back. "She came up to me and said: 'You stupid little girl. You've only got a pathetic job!' Then she pushed me in the chest."


When Katie signed up for the show, she didn't know what she'd be doing.


We see her swap with Michelle McManus, a 23-year-old who lives with her parents in Weston-Super-Mare.


"I was driving for four hours without knowing where I was going," she says. "I saw a sign to Somerset. I've never been there in my life - I didn't even know where it was."


The next day, she was introduced to the toilets she would get to know intimately.


"I had to get up at 7am every morning and wait for the bus


whereas I'm used to just getting in my car, or sitting in first class on a train," she says.


" Inside the toilets it was just dead grimy and dead seaside resorty and old fashioned. I mean it stank.


"The men's was the worst - I had to wash the urinals. I couldn't say on camera how bad it was.


"I'm not being funny", she adds, "but Weston Super Mare has got five main mental institutions.


"I mean, I'm not used to seeing mentally disturbed people. It was a bit scary, to be honest with you. Poor Katie, you're all saying - and it gets even worse.


"I had to give Michelle's mum keep, and I only had £30 to £40 to last me the week."


She adds: "I like having money -who wouldn't? I'll spend a grand on a bag and a little top."


For a new clubbing outfit, though, Katie went to a charity shop. "Under a tenner, I can't believe it!" we see a rave after spotting a top. "Boss!"


Viewers see Katie going off to Weston Super Mare's premiere nightspot - Senoritas.


"It was more like a social club," she says. "It was a weird mix of people. We got off a bit early because it was getting a bit mad in there."


Meanwhile, Michelle travelled up to Albert Dock to move into Katie's £1m luxury apartment. "When I was younger I always used to think I was going to be a police lady or a nurse and obviously that's not happened," she says.


The cleaner was taken out to Scouserati haunts like Cricket, Society and Alma de Cuba by Katie's friends. But it all proved a bit much for her.
"I'm not used to living in a big city with all these people," she says on film. "Even simple things like the way they dress, I just feel like quite a plain, boring person."


This is reality TV, so both girls come out of the experience changed people.


Michelle has since enrolled at college to become a social worker: "I can go places and I can do things. I don't think I'm going to let people walk over me any more," she says.


And Katie's learned something too. Well, a bit.


"I feel like I want to do more than just sitting around," she says. "I want to go for a nice walk and stuff."


As for Katie as a cleaner, don't worry lads - it may still happen.


"They let me keep my uniform," she says. "I'm thinking of framing it."


* Poor Little Rich Girls is on ITV1 tonight at 10pm

^^Anyone see all of this? I started watching it and stuck around long enough to get to the bit when the girls are in Alma de Cuba, but then I was wanted down the pub.

Was there any other glam L'pool locations featured? It is a refreshing change to have Liverpool painted as the "Bright Lights, Big City" glamourous place, with fashionable nightlife and shops, for once.

I did and Liverpool looked good throughout,but not as good as our Katie. :cheers:

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5025/2652270va.th.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2652270va.jpg)

Yeah, she doesn't ming does she?

The Zutons on Soccer AM in a few minutes :)

Saw them last night on "The Colin and what's her name's show"

That saxaphone player is flamin gorgeous.

They've just showed an ariel view of Liverpool on BBC News, it looked very impressive! especially Unity, could have been an American city!

was it the north west tonight, or the national news, in what context was it about, will it be on again tonight do you think?

It was national news at Six, it was about the council strikes, apparently it is bad up there, they felt the need to put an aerial view of rush hour Liverpool, I think it said the crossings were closed. It was on for about ten seconds and it was pissing it down but It did look really great, in my opinion, It looked American to me because the street pattern was grid like and buildings were blocky!

That saxaphone player is flamin gorgeous.

I'd agreed. I'd be well up for a bit of sax with her. :yes:

Liverpool on the national news twice in a day? Looks like thats our quota gone for the next 12 months then.

Just heared that Roger McGough's 2008 poem which was banned in the House of Parliament is to be read live on C4 News, probably at the end, so another positive piece anyway.

Just heared that Roger McGough's 2008 poem which was banned in the House of Parliament is to be read live on C4 News, probably at the end, so another positive piece anyway.

Watching it. It's all about youth unemployment and marches in Paris at the moment. OMG they are showing Monmartre. Media values eh? Jon Snow just said, 'We'll be back to the dust and teargas at the end of the programme!' I hope that's not a reference to Roger!

The initial item showed the usual waterfront vista (the 3g's only), but hopefully the main article will show a montage of beautifull images of the city, and not just Roger, (no offence Roger :cheers: )

This and other items like Condy's visit hopefully will provide increasing amounts of positive news.

It was national news at Six, it was about the council strikes, apparently it is bad up there, they felt the need to put an aerial view of rush hour Liverpool, I think it said the crossings were closed. It was on for about ten seconds and it was pissing it down but It did look really great, in my opinion, It looked American to me because the street pattern was grid like and buildings were blocky!

Well, the all day coverage of a national strike from one city that is usually ignored by the "national" and "regional" media has worked. Thanks Beeb! Another drip of the slow, constant denigration of the city.

Unfortunately, they couldn't hide the city's grandeur, so at least something good has come out it.

They can happily ignore the city for another year, well until the national crime figures come out, which they can cover in news programmes all day from Liverpool, despite the fact that the city will have recorded lower crime rates than their locations of most of their main new centres again

In between; all year, if they have a stories about expensive restaurants or the growing numbers of trendy clothes shops in UK cities they'll conduct vox pops in Manchester city centre and the West End.

Well, I know Liverpool is a really great city with the friendliest people in the country

Just heared that Roger McGough's 2008 poem which was banned in the House of Parliament is to be read live on C4 News, probably at the end, so another positive piece anyway.

Not a bad poem, but would be more apt if he swapped 'Armani's' for 'jarmies'.

:)

Awayo, is it possible that the BBC just wanted to show the effects the tunnels colsure had on the city as a means to portray the severity of the strike action? :?

I didn't think so either...

'Car Wars' on BBC1. Seems to be set in Manc. The Manc copper himself just claimed "if you own a nice car, don't bring it to Manchester becuase it'll get pinched."

So much for the BBC sticking up for the place.

Carried two News items.....

`NHS Dentists` in `Birkenhead - nice shots of the Mersey, Albert Dock and the two cathedrals.....not the Pier Head or Princes Dock....

`Plane from Liverpool Airport lands in wrong airport in Ireland `.....

I have noticed in the past that you will get more news stories on air, from and around Liverpool before and after a big event. This current event being the strike and more importantly the visit of Condoliza Rice.

^^ Ah, to be fair to the BBC, then. I'd not put two and two together. Their news coverage focus on Liverpool during the national public sector strike might have something to do their having broadcasting facilities and staff in the city this week for once.

Is it really that big a dela that Condie is coming to town, ??? i really dont understand the fuss!

It's all to do with the Iraq war and oil...!

Is it really that big a dela that Condie is coming to town, ??? i really dont understand the fuss!

Neither do I. I'm not remotely arsed. She could come and live here as far as I care, or she could never set foot here.

Its when she arrives in a tank....thats when you've gotta be worried

Tried to find the other Liverpool TV thread but cant. I've noticed since i've been at uni in sheffield, that the regional news is different here. On ITV they have calender news, however the different areas of Yorkshire and the North Midlands (the areas it covers) they have their own regional regional news, and South Yorkshire (Rotherham, Sheffield, Barnsley etc) news is Calender South. So why not with Granada?

We've just had a little episode on the new thread 'Museum of Liverpool 2nd prize', from metro making the case that there is nothing wrong with the NW status quo adn if anybody disagrees they are manc baiting/hating gits and dumbarses!

If you find the TV thread will you resurect it?

Sky one tonight, Inside a lighting Bolt, with a rather foxy Irish Weather presenter. Some fella got fried by a lighting bolt the other year, it was on the field at the back of my house. Great, in the words of the Jazz club from the fast show.

I like `Two Pints of Larger and a Packet of Crisps` on BBC3 set in `Runcorn.....` daft as a brush and not very PC but funny nevertheless....IMHO, :) :runaway:

and occasionally quite deep.

Just remembered to set my video. A documentary about Bernard Cook, the MDHC man who went missing is to be shown on BBC 1 at 9.15am Today.

Full item here (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16970610%26method=full%26siteid=50061%26headline=tv%2dfilm%2dputs%2dspotlight%2don%2driddle%2dof%2dmissing%2ddock%2dman-name_page.html)

Just remembered to set my video. A documentary about Bernard Cook, the MDHC man who went missing is to be shown on BBC 1 at 9.15am Today.

There is obviously something deeper - like what?

This Thursday, Channel 4, 9pm - Garston doubles for Bradford!

UKTV Documentary
"1.00pm My Favourite Attenborough Moment
Fans of the broadcasting legend Sir David Attenborough each introduce their favourite moment¸ selected from his many television series over the years. With comments from the great man himself."

Astonishing! :eek2:

UKTV Documentary
"1.00pm My Favourite Attenborough Moment
Fans of the broadcasting legend Sir David Attenborough each introduce their favourite moment¸ selected from his many television series over the years. With comments from the great man himself."

Astonishing! :eek2:

The Lyrebird was unbelievable Dave,did you hear the way it imitated the saw cutting down the forest? :shocked:

The Lyrebird was unbelievable Dave,did you hear the way it imitated the saw cutting down the forest? :shocked:
Saw it for the first time today Paul. It also mimicked the sound of a camera click and a car alarm!

BTW
Anyone watching the game on Sky Sports?

Saw it for the first time today Paul. It also mimicked the sound of a camera click and a car alarm!

BTW
Anyone watching the game on Sky Sports?

I've heard a starling doing a car alarm,it's quite amusing.I'm watching Leeds getting slapped by Warrington I hope it stays that way. :)

Liverpool 1 - Everton 0
John Durning scored in the last minute :cheers:

33,000! Fantastic turnout :nocrook:

Liverpool 1 - Everton 0
John Durning scored in the last minute :cheers:

33,000! Fantastic turnout :nocrook:


:bash: yeh well Leeds lost,come on you saints. :cheers:

despite its slowness, the game was very entertaining i thought, especially the second half. and all for a good cause!

The Lyrebird was unbelievable Dave,did you hear the way it imitated the saw cutting down the forest? :shocked:

I've watched it 3 times and still can't believe it. Amazing stuff.

Voting ends tonight, but I can't decide which one to go for.

http://www.uktv.co.uk/?uktv=attenborough.index

Just watching that re-make of the Bradford Riots.

They;ve used Liverpool city centre in the filming- although not in an obvious way, for realism. I could make out one of those green, art deco lamp posts, the Port of Liverpool Building, and Cotton Exchange.

:cheers:

Just watching that re-make of the Bradford Riots.

They;ve used Liverpool city centre in the filming- although not in an obvious way, for realism. I could make out one of those green, art deco lamp posts, the Port of Liverpool Building, and Cotton Exchange.

:cheers:


The riot scenes were shot in Garston.

Just watching that re-make of the Bradford Riots.

They;ve used Liverpool city centre in the filming- although not in an obvious way, for realism. I could make out one of those green, art deco lamp posts, the Port of Liverpool Building, and Cotton Exchange.

:cheers:

Yup - and they managed to catch a glimpse of the `Strand Walkway` along side the Mersey Tunnel Ventilation tower as well.

A sorry tale nevertheless for all those involved.

Interesting comparison between homes in Japan, Holland and the UK.

Modern and futuristic in Japan and Holland.

Mock Georgian and Tudor in the UK.

I saw it on `More 4` a few nights ago and I must admit it had very many valid points regarding the UKs need for developers to offer much more choice in the way of design.

Well worth watching though I dare say it will be repeated again on Channel 4 somewhere.

(Actually I`ve just noticed the write up in my paper today reads differently and the program is looking at emotional well being - could still be the same program though.)

Not sure that it is though! I'm trying to get into it but it seems to have been written by numbers, (low key domestic betrayals, explanatory flashbacks suggestive of PTSD - that old chestnut for violent behaviour, outbursts and recriminations) and the soft focus music ...

do de do de da do de do de ...

What's that about?

So far 4/10.

There's a different kind of music now to accompany post neck breaking emotional discharge. With each neck broken the frustration inside the killer seems to be released. Not sure whether that look on his face isn't just a bit sexual?

Lots of anti Americanism, ranty, ranty, ranty.

Lots of booze, too.

I thought Robby Coltrane was wearing a fat suit for Hagrid. He wasn't.

i thought it was great, but could have been a bit more subtle with the anti americanism

BBC's Autumnwatch starts tonight on BBC2 at 8pm - it's being broadcast from Martin Mere Wildfowl and Wetlands Trust reserve - which BBC Wildlife Magazine referred to as Martin Mere, Liverpool - Lancashire my arse. Also features the red squirrels at Formby. :cheers2:

Another example of the fine offerings in Liverpool Bay.

There's a different kind of music now to accompany post neck breaking emotional discharge. With each neck broken the frustration inside the killer seems to be released. Not sure whether that look on his face isn't just a bit sexual?

Lots of anti Americanism, ranty, ranty, ranty.

Lots of booze, too.

I thought Robby Coltrane was wearing a fat suit for Hagrid. He wasn't.

I watched `Craker` last night and emotive for all sorts of reasons, nevertheless I watched it because it was almost set in current Manchester, "Where is all the money coming from - America and Drugs" etc,

Apparently `pre - De Vinci Code`, thou similar in tone, also set in Liverpool in part, it just depends wether we are the "remote coastal town" that `Nathan Hyde` resides in (Nigel Harmen of `Eastenders`)

I meant to record this but clean forgot. Did anybody see it? There's a double page spread in last week's Radio Times.

... Dennis Rickman is sitting in a penthouse flat, looking out over Liverpool's imposing skyline (presently to become Barcelona)...

... Harman is nevertheless still enamoured with everything about The Outsiders, not least its location, "Liverpool's been amazing," he says ...

Apparently if it's received well it will be turned into a series.

Was it any good?

I meant to record this but clean forgot. Did anybody see it? There's a double page spread in last week's Radio Times.

... Dennis Rickman is sitting in a penthouse flat, looking out over Liverpool's imposing skyline (presently to become Barcelona)...

... Harman is nevertheless still enamoured with everything about The Outsiders, not least its location, "Liverpool's been amazing," he says ...

Apparently if it's received well it will be turned into a series.

Was it any good?

I just caught the begining of this, where they showed a wide shot of Malta with the domed cathedral, then cut to the close up where the bishops burst through the cathedral doors, to the interior of what was actually Liverpool Anglican cathedral, with the fractal stained glass light shining on the sandstone.

I meant to record this but clean forgot. Did anybody see it? There's a double page spread in last week's Radio Times.

... Dennis Rickman is sitting in a penthouse flat, looking out over Liverpool's imposing skyline (presently to become Barcelona)...

... Harman is nevertheless still enamoured with everything about The Outsiders, not least its location, "Liverpool's been amazing," he says ...

Apparently if it's received well it will be turned into a series.

Was it any good?

I made a point of watching it, really rather good, Liverpool place spotting was reasonably easy if you know the City etc.

The best bit was the `Victoria Clock Tower` becoming the central section of a futuristic Island fortress in the `Scottish Hebridies`......you need to see it and I don`t want to spoil it if you haven`t.

`MINUS 12` a top secret government agency to which `The Outsiders` belong is down a stairway accessed from the `Queens` Building, Dale Street.

St Georges Plateau and William Brown Street and Walker Art gallery are all Paris on a wet evening, excellently shot, there are other places too, I`m quite sure that part of `MINUS 12` (the old lift) was part of the `Athenaum Club` and the initial library also in the `Athenaum` before the decend to `MINUS 12`......

Well worth the effort and good to see Liverpool in a futuristic setting.

Maybe the next episode will be `The Blog of the Evil Cabal` ..... :)

Apart from Liverpool spotting ...
was it any good?

Apart from Liverpool spotting ...
was it any good?


Yes, I thought so, I hope they make it into a series.

It was a bit like the `Avengers` or `Department S` ..... now that`s showing my age :)

The models of projects for Liverpool are on show in the Met Quarter, and £1.2Million for a painting of LIverpool:) I bet London wouldn't fetch that

Waiting for Catherine Tate to start just seen a trailer for next week's coast heavily featuring Liverpool and its region

Waiting for Catherine Tate to start just seen a trailer for next week's coast heavily featuring Liverpool and its region

Good, Liverpool seemed to be passed over in the first series. What time / channel is Catherine Tate on? Have I missed it?

Waiting for Catherine Tate to start just seen a trailer for next week's coast heavily featuring Liverpool and its region


Catharine tate..!

am i bovvered

but am i, am i bovvered though,

look at my face,

bovvererd, face, boverred, FACE. :lol:


I caught that Coast programe also, the Crosby iron men were featured, so will try not to forget to watch it.

Good, Liverpool seemed to be passed over in the first series. What time / channel is Catherine Tate on? Have I missed it?

It's on at 9pm - just after Coast. If you missed it it's repeated on Sunday. Not sure what time.

On BBC2 now!

not really much about liverpool, but filmed a while back because unity didnt look 3/4 completed and BW wasnt there!

Overall, it was a bit of a bore - decent shots of Crosby beach at the end. I liked the graphics illustrating the time it took to get a message from Holyhead to Liverpool, with Liverpool surging rightatyer from the screen. Unintentionally capturing its spirit circa 2006/7.

What I liked most were the references to ships sailing into Liverpool in the 17th & 18th centuries, laden with every thing the human mind can conceive of and travelling from EVERY PART OF THE WORLD on a regular basis.

That's my city :yes:

And one stat that was mentioned said that 40% of all the worlds international shipping sailed into Liverpool during those years, that's bloody amazing!!

the X Factor coach is currently outside mine waiting to pick up the families of 2 members in Eton Rd

the X Factor coach is currently outside mine waiting to pick up the families of 2 members in Eton Rd


Take deep breaths, we dont want you screaming and fainting when you spot them, just an autographed photo or poster will do. :lol:


Come on Eton road i love you...:cheer:

Im not, Danny (the most normal, usually onthe right when performing) is my mate, im just happy for him

.....repeat of Top Gear and the race from Queens Sq car park to the Liver Building? Those guys spent a hell of a long time leaping around Queens Sq didnt they...? .... and why didnt he just drive to the bottom of Dale Street, and Queensway....

Cos he's a floppy haired meff. Ray Charles could've found his way to the Pier Head faster than that, and he's dead.

Today's Choral Evensong on Radio 3 is live from Liverpool Cathedral. Started at 4pm, finishes at 5pm.

BBC2 is about to repeat the Gardeners' World parks special first shown during the summer - Birkenhead Park features very prominently. Starts at 8.30pm ie now!

This Life +10. Am I the only person of my generation who thought that this was shite first time round? Today's programme is excruciating.

It was truly apalling, 'trying' so hard to portray something but failing.

Emperor's new clothes again, I'm afraid. My earlier post wasn't right btw. I should have said that given how the London media represented the 90s series as some kind of a "story of a generation", it shouldn't be a surprise when you ask the series' target age group you find folks like me who thought it was utter bollocks.

I think that like most series about "young adults" it appealed to teenagers imagining an exciting life they might have in the future and oldsters watching it for vicarious kicks.

Similarly I used to love Grange Hill right up until I actually went to a comprehensive school and realised just how fantastically unrealistic it was.

absolutely perfect description Awayo!!!

Ta Tone. Said nothing to me about my life, as the miserable Stretford misanthrope might have complained.

To be fair, the second series was better than the first - i.e., the one not written by Amy Jenkins (daughter of the late Peter Jenkins, senior journalist on the Guardian and stepdaughter of the Graun's Polly Toynbee - oh how the nepotism merry-go-round goes round).

Young Amy was back for last night's painful 90 minutes.

That says it all really... reflected nothing other than a small group at the BBC and similar institutions notion of some utopia!!!!! but it was simply about self obsessed bores and cynics.

'Our' local telly output was a right laugh tonight, having a proper wheeze regarding the silly rumour that Thierry Henry is Liverpool bound. Highly unlikely I'll agree but our Mancunian 'friends' made it out like Tranmere were close to signing Steven Gerrard rather than the 18 time league champions, 5 time European Cup winners and one of the biggest clubs in the world (by any measurement) having any chance of signing one of the best footballers.

Well in Granada, showed your colours again.

And that This Life was shite, I only watched it the first time around on the off chance we'd get a blimp of the scottish bints minge or something.

Does anyone know whether there is an active ongoing campaign to change this state of affairs (no local TV station for our area). An online petition for example?

Does anyone know whether there is an active ongoing campaign to change this state of affairs (no local TV station for our area). An online petition for example?

It's the sort of thing the 21CS could do, if its members want to....if they do, would you be interested in joining in such a campaign?

It's the sort of thing the 21CS could do, if its members want to....if they do, would you be interested in joining in such a campaign?

youbetchya

I'll dive in on that one Poli. Still a bit chocker with stuff but I'll be freeing more time up very soon.

Just another example of a smaller issue with television. I know it might seem a little daft but when me and the flatmates are slobbed out watching tele, we cant help but notice the amount of scousers in:

X Factor
Big Brother
Celebrity Jungle

bla bla bla.......and we also cant help but notice the line up of city's that are put together for these shows to audition the nation. Now, take a wild guess (and remember the amount of scousers in these shows, X factor especially) which North Western city the auditions are in each year??????

Yes, Manchester......

Newcastle, Leeds, Birmingham, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Bristol, London.....anywere except the one place were showbiz has generated so much talent - LIVERPOOL!

Once again, we are snubbed.:ohno:

good one toad, this is a major and ongoing exploration any group worth its salt should be highlighting. There are a number on this forum who I know would make initial numbers.

'Our' local telly output was a right laugh tonight, having a proper wheeze regarding the silly rumour that Thierry Henry is Liverpool bound. Highly unlikely I'll agree but our Mancunian 'friends' made it out like Tranmere were close to signing Steven Gerrard rather than the 18 time league champions, 5 time European Cup winners and one of the biggest clubs in the world (by any measurement) having any chance of signing one of the best footballers.

Well in Granada, showed your colours again.

Yes I noticed that as well,they're bitter jealous horrible bastards.:ohno:

one aea of potential... check out some of the other countries.

http://wwitv.com/portal.htm

Nice one, Tony.

Check out the USA section for all the local affiliate networks practically every city in the federation has. A city the size of Liverpool would easily have around ten stations if it was in the USA, that's even if Manchester was in exactly the same proximity as in reality.

Piece on tv tonight.

A group of Liverpool children who were pictured with Bob Dylan in the 1960’s are tracked down 40 years on.
The search for the children in the photograph and their reunion will be featured on Inside Out on Friday on BBC One at 1930 GMT. Digital viewers can watch the documentary on channel 101 or 948.


Also tonight.
Lilies set in Liverpool 1920.
Fri 12 Jan, 9:00 pm - 10:00 pm 60mins

Piece on tv tonight.



Also tonight.

Also tonight, Beatlemania BBC2 9pm

:cheers:

Also tonight, Beatlemania BBC2 9pm

:cheers:

can you 'tape' it for me :)

can you 'tape' it for me :)

:) I would've thought you'd have one of those super duper recorder box things with the hard disks in

pretty good, really enjoyed that :)

'provincial' must have been mentioned about 300 fucking times.

Cheeky bastards.

'provincial' must have been mentioned about 300 fucking times.

Cheeky bastards.

...yeah well, it had to have something in there to keep your scouse feet on the ground! ;)

Good one!

Don't you think it was done a litle too like all those 90s' spoofs on 1960s' sociological type documentaries.... or are they trying to revive what was always actually quite a shit format for TV and contemporary culture?

99% of what they showed was in the Anthology (which I have on TAPES by the way)... so I reckon it was just an excuse to show a few seconds of never seen before footage... did you spot the bit where George Harrison was flicking v's at the camera? What a great bit of film.... he was the image of Liam Gallagher for half a second....

I watched that Lillies shite.

I'm now questionning my sanity.

all those old Lancashire surnames for the characters.... redmond does the same.

I watched the Beatles program last night and I thought it was very interesting especially the bit when the plane engine was on fire, the pilots were in the back of the plane with a scotch on the rocks playing cards with the Beatles, it seems that at this point Lennon tried to open the door to get out!! not a great idea at 12.000ft.

The opening sequence was annoying when the narrator said in 1961/62 the Beatles were unknown outside of the club circuits of Hamburg Germany and the North West of England!!! the omission of the word Liverpool was so obvious I nearly turned it off.

aye, so they went to Barrow and Carlisle, but never to Wrexham etc...... just what IS 't'noowerthwest'? The BBC are a major part of the regional project... they provide 'the language of change'...i.e properganda!

Actually, thinking about it... in the voice over commentary Liverpool is hardly mentioned.. it is only with those being interviewd where that dread city is mentionde in name.

Must be the BBC's variation of 'the Scottish play'!

I watched that Lillies shite.

I'm now questionning my sanity.
They surely got some of the accents wrong. Who spoke like a Brookside character in the 1920s?

Has there ever been a drama series set amongst Lpool's black community? Just did a search on the net to no avail. Typically Google over-supplied me with Cilla freakin Black.

I was out last night and heard someone use the phrase, 'That black bastard, me dad.' It sounded as though it came from a 70s drama series set in a house in Upper Parliament Street.

Any ideas?

And, if not - why hasn't this topic found its way onto the small screen, or any other screen for that matter?

there was a soap that Radio Merseyside used to put on in the 80s' which was set in Toxteth, I'm sure. Though it had some black families/characters it was not about the black community specifically....

all those old Lancashire surnames for the characters.... redmond does the same.

Probably its done to make the product more representative of a generic north. Where are all the Chans, O'Shaunessys, Leckies, Riozzis,Omdabangwes etc? There must have been a catholic priest with an Irish accent, surely? One of those is compulsory for a series set in New York / Liverpool in the 20s and 30s.

Do the characters in Lillies inhabit the industrial city of Liverpool that is often refered to when we're lumped together wi'all t'others int'north?

There is a program advertised "Building Britain" or something like that which i only glimpsed a part of, on BBC1, and Liverpool will be featured, Beetham West was shown.

I think it will be on next week as can't find said program on listings....!!!!

Did anyone else catch what/where/when/how etc this is to be shown.

check the echo, there was a feature on it tonight, something to do with that guy of through the keyhole?........

There is a program advertised "Building Britain" or something like that which i only glimpsed a part of, on BBC1, and Liverpool will be featured, Beetham West was shown.

I think it will be on next week as can't find said program on listings....!!!!

Did anyone else catch what/where/when/how etc this is to be shown.

Its on Monday next week, 10:35pm on BBC1.
Looks quite good, worth watching.

Cheers SY and Adam, Lllllloooooyd Groooosssman, is the fella, he is involved with Liverpool museums and C.o.C.

Lllllloooooyd Groooosssman very much champions Liverpool.

Good Man!

On a different news item and unsettling as ever, the possible sales of `Land Rover` and `Jaguar` covered on `Sky News`all day yesterday ........

The `not very green, non eco friendly but profitable Land Rover` with interviews from Birmingham compared with the `Loss making Luxury car Jaguar` that was completely over looked and with absolutely no mention of it being built in Liverpool......

The overall impression was that it was just the Midlands that were taking the brunt.

There again, they will probably never forgive Ford for moving Jaguar production to Halewood and away from Brum.......even if `Halewood remains the Jewel in Fords crown`......

There was a show on in the early hours this morning (BBC 3) about Edwardian shopping and the changes it went through when American entrepeneurs Selfridge and Woolworth established themselves in the UK. As Woolworth set his first store up on Church Street there was a good deal of old and new Liverpool shown in the programme, even some old film footage of the docks and warehouses from the overhead.

There were some wonderful shots of the presenter stepping off the Mersey ferry in a freezing wintry fog with the liver building looming above her. Church street was still a state so it can't have been that recent.

Very interesting programme, not sure how old it was but I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned as I haven't seen so much Liverpool in a programme for aaaages.

edit:

It was on BBC 4 last night...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/shopping-england.shtml

Oh flippin` `eck, I forgot to watch that......:ohno:

anyone watch how we built britain last night?, it mentioned Liverpool with Andrew Marr on the ferry talking about how the worst affected city under Margaret Thatcher was Liverpool.

I think you meant ".. History of Modern Britain".
It was entertaining. We had pictures of Marr on the ferry with the backdrop of Westy and Alex and the usual suspects, all sheltering beneath a dark, threatening sky. Good photography! He was using Liverpool as one fo his examples of the struggle between Thatcher's monetarism and traditional 'northern' (his word, not mine) industrial society.

He was extremely dismissive of Scargill, "a deluded socialist fantasist" or something like that, they wouldn't have liked that in Barnsley.

He could have done 2 hours on this period of British history - I particularly liked the way he brought the North Sea oil industry into the equation.

There was a show on in the early hours this morning (BBC 3) about Edwardian shopping and the changes it went through when American entrepeneurs Selfridge and Woolworth established themselves in the UK. As Woolworth set his first store up on Church Street there was a good deal of old and new Liverpool shown in the programme, even some old film footage of the docks and warehouses from the overhead.

There were some wonderful shots of the presenter stepping off the Mersey ferry in a freezing wintry fog with the liver building looming above her. Church street was still a state so it can't have been that recent.

Very interesting programme, not sure how old it was but I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned as I haven't seen so much Liverpool in a programme for aaaages.

edit:

It was on BBC 4 last night...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/shopping-england.shtml

DAMN! I started watching that when it was on at 11pm, knowing that it was about Selfridge and Woolworth and that it might have a piece on Liverpool (seeing as the 1st Woolworths in Britain was opened in Liverpool.) However, I got bored with the Selfridges bit and went to bed.

I might be able to watch it from the website. I know those Andrew Marr episodes can be watch online.

:cheers:

I've just watched it online. The man's a dickhead.

I've just watched it online. The man's a dickhead.

Just watched it myself, and I concur. Some of the filming was totally unnecessary and I think quite deliberate (I think you know what I mean). His arse lickingly gushing analysis of Thatcher was pathetic; and I don't see why the ills of the 80s had to focus almost exclusively on Liverpool. I wouldn't have minded that had he not deliberately gone on to film from present-day derelict locations (complete with paid scallies), with underlying (yet blatant) "oh, looks like Heseltine was wrong and Thatcher was right" messages.

Why must the man take out his ugliness on others?

It puts Marr's fuckwit comments in the Times earlier this year into context.

Remember that, apparently, the script of the ancient Bernard Manning joke about scallies minding your car and dogs that can put out fires was played out in a real incident involving his producer. Amazing that. Well, it would wouldn't it. :ohno: Strangely when I park my car in Liverpool - much safer for car crime than the city where he lives, of course - I and my car get out unscathed every time.

The shit thing is that he meant it - he wasn't joking. And we are meant to be interested in anything else the fool has to say now are we?

Yes, the Heseltine angle was shit wasn't it. "What a deluded man he was to think that a place such as Liverpool deserved any help whatsoever. Let them die."

At least he couldn't blank out the image of Beetham West rising as he crossed the Mersey. It might have prompted some people to think that the real, present-day reality of Liverpool could be something different to how he was desperate to portray it.

The uncritical idolation of the Thatch throughout was difficult to swallow, of course.

Just to pick out a couple of things, there was no mention of how their appalling monetarist economic policies, not only destroyed industry often pointlessly and for political reasons, but were a total failure in every sense and were swiftly abandoned. She U-turned. That's where the Lawson boom came from - he followed an entirely different economic policy, which also failed horribly, something Marr chooses not to dwell upon.

Thatcher's economic management was a disaster throughout. However, by destorying industry she wiped out the unions and therefore the chance of any left-wing oppostion to rightwing government in the country. Whatever you think about that, much of Britain's industry and thousands of livelihoods were devastated not because the industries were necessarily moribund, although some were, but because she wanted to destroy them successful or not.

The fact that Thatcher's government deliberately planned for the Miner's Strike, broke an agreement and provoked the dispute was ignored. Everything was blamed on Scargill. He was a fool but all he did was fall into the Tory's trap. They wanted a strike. They lied at the time, but they wanted to destroy all of the mining industry and did. Again for political reasons.

We'll live to see many of those mines open again.

I could go on...

Awayo you've said basically what my arl fella said last night. he mentioned that she wasted the oil money or was it gas?

was that the one reason she wanted to close the mines because the unions where too strong?

and was heseltine a good man, i.e. for liverpool?

also didnt she fill the coal mines with water after they were closed to stop them being back opened?

Yes, and the oil and gas are associated reserves

Yes.

Yes.

Yes. Once the mines were discontinued, they filled with water as no one was pumping them out.

also didnt she fill the coal mines with water after they were closed to stop them being back opened?

They flood anyway mate, and when they were working mines the water was pumped out daily. What the Tories did (think Major as well) was to allow them to flood as normal. But obviously, it'll be a nightmare emptying them now.

Public school-educated financial journalists did very well in the 80s, however.

cheers lads

Christ, the laboratory animal lookalike is sticking it to Liverpool again, on today's episode.

Who guesses that when his final episode talks about the rebuilding and renaissance of the UK's big cities in the 2000s suddenly he'll decide to stop gratuitously showing the Liverpool waterfront? :ohno:

hes one unfortunate looking dude isnt he

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9938/beanoplugff6.jpg

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5941/andrewmarril4.jpg

Yeah, it was Leeds. I'm glad I missed most of that series.

Christ, the laboratory animal lookalike is sticking it to Liverpool again, on today's episode.

Who guesses that when his final episode talks about the rebuilding and renaissance of the UK's big cities in the 2000s suddenly he'll decide to stop gratuitously showing the Liverpool waterfront? :ohno:

What did he say?

Ooh, a big focus on the Bulger murder (which happened in Liverpool, of course, and not Bootle) introduced by a lingering shot of the Pier Head from a river perspective.

Then Marr wandering around the same, deliberately-selected Liverpool locations from last week to illustrate the crime, unemployment and economic problems of the 1990s.

Ooh, a big focus on the Bulger murder (which happened in Liverpool, of course, and not Bootle) introduced by a lingering shot of the Pier Head from a river perspective.

Then Marr wandering around the same, deliberately-selected Liverpool locations from last week to illustrate the crime, unemployment and economic problems of the 1990s.

I find that inexplicable. Did he have anything to say about Manchester's appalling rates of robbery, and London's murder rate?

The thing that is odd is that 95% of viewers are surely going to wonder why he is focussing on these things? When there are child murders, rape, robbery and all other hideous and high profile crimes taking place everywhere. Why even mention that single incident from years ago?

I wonder if this is all a naueasting build up to him saying, in his finale, "now even liverpool is experiencing something good!"

On the other hand, I wouldn't be at all surprised now if we get a pleasing discussion about Henshaw/Storey, ECoc is a joke, Ken Bigley, Boris Johnson- against a backdrop of the Mersey. Perhaps he is some sort of Mancunion Gay Lord, the love child of Bernard Manning's mutant half brother (who lived in the cellar in Ancoats), and has a mission to brainwash people so they imagine horrid things whenever they see the world famous waterfront, a great asset, of Liverpool?

Ye never know. Anyway, I won't be giving him the time of day again; not when he can't even produce an intellectual and balanced programme. His arse licking of Thatcher and Blair is just disgusting.

Nope, the series has finished now. So no "hey even the vilest pit in hell is getting better!" pay off. Nope, multiculturalism=London, shops=Leeds. Shit things (doesn't matter what shit things, anything will do)=Liverpool. For ever and ever and ever.

I suspect he always was a knobhead. I remember his gushing over Blair and the Iraq war in April 2003 (although he admits his mistake there to be fair). After Baghdad fell, smiling from ear to ear himself, he trilled that there was a lot of grinning people in No. 10 today. I was thinking, "you stupid cunt, don't you know that this is only the start of it?" Forgetting the glorying in a murderous war that had already cruelly extinguished the lives of thousands of people, even if the cunts had gotten away with it and hostilities had ended there.

Perhaps he is some sort of Mancunion Gay Lord, the love child of Bernard Manning's mutant half brother

"Mancunion Gay Lord" (sic)

I wonder what Freud might say about you being a Manchester-hating homophobe SuburbaniseD?

"Mancunion Gay Lord" (sic)

I wonder what Freud might say about you being a Manchester-hating homophobe SuburbaniseD?

How boring of you to "(sic)" peoples typos. Also, nothing I said is either hating of Manchester or homosexuals; they are purely incidental. I used "Manchester" to link up with Bernard Manning (somebody I do/did abhor), and I used "Gay Lord" to refelct the fact that Marr is actually gay. I didn't say there is anything wrong with him being gay. Get a life, troll.

He's married to a woman who looks a bit like a geezer. I'll go that far.

Are you mixing him up with Evan Davies?

He's married to a woman who looks a bit like a geezer. I'll go that far.

Are you mixing him up with Evan Davies?

Yes, possibly. Thanks old boy, I was obviously getting mixed up. Well in that case, the "gay lord" reference is not appropriate.

The final rounds of the Honda power boat races which were held recently in Liverpool were shown on ITV4 today. You get a different perspective with the inboat cameras, as the driver and co drivers were thrown around quite a bit, some good waterfront shots also from the Helicam.

The scouser with a brummie accent, John Peel, is back from the dead to present this profile of the eminent photographer.

The scouser with a brummie accent, John Peel, is back from the dead to present this profile of the eminent photographer.

Nice one Babs. I'll be watching that :cheers:

BBC4 right now (10p.m) Chambre Hardman and the lost city of Liverpool!

Will no doubt be repeated.

BBC4 right now (10p.m) Chambre Hardman and the lost city of Liverpool!

Will no doubt be repeated.

Bloody hell, brilliant.

Wayne Coohooooilan's on tv - right now!!!!

what did he say?

He saved the E Chambre Hardman collection, he reckoned. Fair play to the lad if he did.

It was on about a year or so ago if I am not mistaken. Some good stuff.

I found it to be a bit of a mixed bag largely because it was too short and had several aspects that merited a BBC 4 programme in themselves!

Chambre Hardman himself as a man born in Ireland when it was still part of Great Britain. I wanted to know more about him. His sister was a good source but having seen the photo of him that makes him look like a character from an Orson Welles movie, I'm sure that there is a lot more to him than was presented last night

His photography - the social and the city should be separated out and commented on by someone with real knowledge. John Peel was just reading a script. It was a pity that George Melly wasn't asked to read the script instead. He would have sounded much more authentic.

Liverpool's haute bourgeoise and how it lived, played and sounded. This side of our history is rendered completely invisible by the obsession with scouseness. I could watch a programme devoted to George Melly's mother's carryings on and she was just a small part of a much bigger wheel.

I know the title was LOST CITY OF LIVERPOOL but this was presented with a bit of a sledge hammer. The area where the wealthy lived morphed, most but not all moved out but other people just as interesting if not more so moved in - the likes of Adrian Henri for example. Parts of what is now called the Canning area became a bohemian area that was every bit as interesting and dynamic as the 'area' that preceded it and the area around Upper Parliament Street and Grove Street saw a fusion of black and white, jazz, rock and soul in hidden clubs that should be more celebrated.

In other words it was loss AND gain.

Towards the end it portrayed Liverpool's loss by showing a series of derelict buildings - one of the buildings shown was a house on Princes Road that at the time of filming (2003) had been renovated. Obviously it was shown for illustrative purposes only.

It would have been interesting to see the programme updated to show the regentrification of this area as a way of demonstrating that great cities ebb and flow and continually change. Liverpool didn't die after all.

Personally though it was a bit rubbish... its title insinuated alot more about the work he done photographing LIverpool. It was more like a rather hastily put together auto biography. Still great man and brilliant that we had these photographs presrved.

I think they grossly overplayed the Ark Royal thing. I have never heard anyone go on about it, ever!.. except to mention that fine pic of Hardman's, of course!

On the whole, a mediocre show.

Just watched a recording of Songs of Praise with Ken Dod (looking good for 108) showing Pam Ayres around Liverpool places of worship and talking about his love of the city. The Scandanavian church looked interesting. As always, Ken bigged the city up. The stereotypes he used (Liverpudlians as warm, humorous and surreal. The city's grandeur etc.) reconnected me to more traditional ways of stereotyping the city. I wonder if he does a music hall type master class at LIPA.

I watched songs of praise cos I knew Doddy would be on it, he portrayed the city well, he comes across as quite an old fashioned and warm character.I was touched by the way he described his faith in god.

A mate's father is from the same village as Pam Ayres - Frillford Heath, Oxon. Apparently she was once known as the village bike.

A mate's father is from the same village as Pam Ayres - Frillford Heath, Oxon. Apparently she was once known as the village bike.

Did she write any poems about it ?:lol:

I watched songs of praise cos I knew Doddy would be on it, he portrayed the city well, he comes across as quite an old fashioned and warm character.I was touched by the way he described his faith in god.

Of all the 'professional scousers' out there I have a soft spot for Doddy - at least he still lives in the city (not like Tarbuck or Cilla) while overtly trading on his 'scousishness' He is indeed a very religious man and I used to attend the same church as him in Thomas Lane.

He is still legendary for the length of his concerts and how tight he is (ask the tax man and also a friend of mine who is his neighbour) We use to try and see if he had a piece of string on the money he put in the collection plate.

I still chuckle (now theres a doddy word if ever there was one) at the tongue twister- Ken Dodd's dad's dog's dead ! -try it after a couple of beers. :lol:

Is Doddy related to Beth Tweddle? :?

Saw Ken Dodd in 1994. Pretty much the same act he'd been taking round for about 30 years I think - and no doubt still is - but he was without question the greatest stand-up comic I've ever seen. Absolutely supreme gag telling skills.

Billed as George Melly's last stand - this documentary follows him on his last tour culminating in a performance at the 100 club, 60 years after he began his jazz career there.

George was in the final stages of lung cancer at the time and Alzheimer's was increasingly creeping in but in true Liverpudlian/jazz fashion he was determined to go down in flames.

Billed as George Melly's last stand - this documentary follows him on his last tour culminating in a performance at the 100 club, 60 years after he began his jazz career there.

George was in the final stages of lung cancer at the time and Alzheimer's was increasingly creeping in but in true Liverpudlian/jazz fashion he was determined to go down in flames.

Good one, once again, Babaloo. :cheers:

Thanks for posting that Babaloo. I saw the programme. Sad to see him in his final days but you got the feeling that he was enjoying himself on stage right to the very end.

Very touching programme - thanks babaloo.

Yeah, it was a uncomfortable to watch. Especially when he was wheeled out onto the stage for the last time. At one point his eyes seemed full of the isolation and confusion that is so redolent of dementia and then he was publicly giving life the finger one last time! I found his defiance moving, all the more so because he wouldn't be able to remember having done it two minutes late. It was instinctive. Typically George Melly. His final song was an act of will for both him and the audience. I'm glad the lung cancer (or complications stemming from it) got him before the Alzheimer's did.

As I said it was uncomfortable to watch but we shouldn't shy away from mortality and the ravages of terminal illness.

Did anybody see BBC Inside out Northwest this week. Showed the Tate & Lyle Refinary and interviewed people who worked there.. Here's the link incase anybody missed it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/northwest/index.shtml

I still chuckle (now theres a doddy word if ever there was one) at the tongue twister- Ken Dodd's dad's dog's dead ! -try it after a couple of beers. :lol:

My mum ran over Ken Dodd's dog in the 70s in her Renault 5 (I think) on Thomas Drive, which was no surprise as she is and was a crap driver.

Doddy's 'Happiness Shows' are worth every penny, he is a gem. If any of you have not seen his show, then do it before time takes its toll on the man.

My mum ran over Ken Dodd's dog in the 70s in her Renault 5 (I think) on Thomas Drive, which was no surprise as she is and was a crap driver.

Doddy's 'Happiness Shows' are worth every penny, he is a gem. If any of you have not seen his show, then do it before time takes its toll on the man.

Was Dodds dog dead? :lol:

"Five years, 5,000 workers and £800m -the Eurostar terminal at St. Pancras is the largest railway project in Britain in over a century.
Designed to cope with the expected 20,000 passengers a day, the station has been rebuilt around the original Grade I listed building. The engineers are stressed out trying to hit deadlines and avoid financial penalties, while the architect bemoans the lack of quality, saying that while the building will last another 120 year, in another 10 years time, the fittings will already start to look shabby."

This was a real eye-opener, and a fairly depressing insight into why so much of that produced by those involved in contemporary construction is utter dreck.

I'd always assumed that the people behind this showpiece 'mega-project, would neccessarily be intelligent, professional, skilled and sensitive.
In fact, it seems that only the architect is. The rest of them conduct themselves with all the philistinistic anti-intellectual cynicism of an Australian bar-manager.

"Five years, 5,000 workers and £800m -the Eurostar terminal at St. Pancras is the largest railway project in Britain in over a century.
Designed to cope with the expected 20,000 passengers a day, the station has been rebuilt around the original Grade I listed building. The engineers are stressed out trying to hit deadlines and avoid financial penalties, while the architect bemoans the lack of quality, saying that while the building will last another 120 year, in another 10 years time, the fittings will already start to look shabby."

This was a real eye-opener, and a fairly depressing insight into why so much of that produced by those involved in contemporary construction is utter dreck.

I'd always assumed that the people behind this showpiece 'mega-project, would neccessarily be intelligent, professional, skilled and sensitive.
In fact, it seems that only the architect is. The rest of them conduct themselves with all the philistinistic anti-intellectual cynicism of an Australian bar-manager.
Agree VT, it was a bit depressing.The engineer on one hand chuffed it was being delivered on time and budget and her big bonus,really contrasted with architect's insistence on the minor detail being of similar importance,which it is on a building like St Pancras. Then again the British have always been phillistines were things like this are concerned.Remember this building was nearly demolished in 60's like the nearby Euston Station Arch was,which incidentally there are rumours of plans to rebulid.

Agree VT, it was a bit depressing.The engineer on one hand chuffed it was being delivered on time and budget and her big bonus,really contrasted with architect's insistence on the minor detail being of similar importance,which it is on a building like St Pancras. Then again the British have always been phillistines were things like this are concerned.Remember this building was nearly demolished in 60's like the nearby Euston Station Arch was,which incidentally there are rumours of plans to rebulid.

The lack of basic respect shown to the architect by the younger (supposed)"engineer" really fucked me off.
"he's living in cloud cuckoo land"

That was a completely vulgar comment from one supposed professional about another.

The great engineer Isambard Kingdom Brunel was a visionary, an artist, an instinctual intellect- what skill or talent did this vulgar, faux- engineer have particularly? Where the fuck do they get them from these days?

The architect seemed an immense guy to be honest. I found it quite hard to see him being reduced to tears by those cunts.

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Watched that also, what a stunning building St Pancras is, and were lucky it was saved at the last minute. It was annoying to hear the people who were just interested in getting it finished on time/ on budjet, not interested in a quality finish, which is was we will have to live with for decades.

The most annoying was the ceiling contractor, what a T*@t, one man only who knows what is going on with the ceiling and he is holding the project up and doing it blatantly in front of camera, wonder if he will get more contracts in future.

^^ I watched this as well and have to say, that, as an engineer, I pity the people who had to work with that architect - if that programme was a fair and honest account of the way he behaved.

It appeared that the problem with the screen wall (I wish the programme had gone into more detail of what it exactly was) had been known for five months. Whilst the defects had been brought to the contractor's attention and minuted, the architect needed to be more insistent at an early stage as the contractual mentality (which he should be well aware of) is that you do as little as possible to get payment.

To be writing e-mails quoting Goethe or whoever and bursting into tears is no way for a professional architect on such an important job to behave.

At such a late stage in the programme, the knock on effect of dismantling and reconstructing an important screen wall could be massive.

As the woman said, engineers are driven by time and budget and it is the architect's responsibility to ensure quality of finish. Nobody wants to see poor quality workmanship but the architect and his assistants need to keep on top of this issue right throughout the job.

Maybe, as is often the case nowadays, there just aren't the foot soldiers around such as the old-fashioned clerk of works who would have brick walls knocked down and rebuilt as many times as it took to get a quality job.

Anybody been watching the Kath and Kim show? They're two Australian comediennes but one of them is originally from Liverpool,it's supposed to be really funny.I'll have to make sure I catch it.

"Five years, 5,000 workers and £800m -the Eurostar terminal at St. Pancras is the largest railway project in Britain in over a century.
Designed to cope with the expected 20,000 passengers a day, the station has been rebuilt around the original Grade I listed building. The engineers are stressed out trying to hit deadlines and avoid financial penalties, while the architect bemoans the lack of quality, saying that while the building will last another 120 year, in another 10 years time, the fittings will already start to look shabby."

This was a real eye-opener, and a fairly depressing insight into why so much of that produced by those involved in contemporary construction is utter dreck.

I'd always assumed that the people behind this showpiece 'mega-project, would neccessarily be intelligent, professional, skilled and sensitive.
In fact, it seems that only the architect is. The rest of them conduct themselves with all the philistinistic anti-intellectual cynicism of an Australian bar-manager.

I watched some of it. It was just so incredibly painful that I had to turn it off. There seemed to be an air of pious self-righteousness about the last remaining project bloke who appeared to be getting off on his own role in it... I half expected john betjeman to leap out of the shadows. What I can't understand is why things like this cost so much in the UK. It's an insult to intelligent people to see vast layers of middle management and bureaucracy in this country. Animal Farm in real life... it's everywhere!

What I can't understand is why things like this cost so much in the UK. It's an insult to intelligent people to see vast layers of middle management and bureaucracy in this country. Animal Farm in real life... it's everywhere!

I couldn't agree more.

I watched some of it. It was just so incredibly painful that I had to turn it off. There seemed to be an air of pious self-righteousness about the last remaining project bloke who appeared to be getting off on his own role in it... I half expected john betjeman to leap out of the shadows. What I can't understand is why things like this cost so much in the UK. It's an insult to intelligent people to see vast layers of middle management and bureaucracy in this country. Animal Farm in real life... it's everywhere!

I would be the first to agree that £800 million is a vast amount of money to spend on one station and I believe that it would pay for the three lines of Merseytram twice over and a few lines in Manchester.

However, I think one of the faults of this programme has been to underplay what has been achieved at St Pancras. The series seems more like a human interest story than an in-depth look at a massive engineering project.

I don't know what exactly is included in that £800 million figure but the following works have been carried out as part of the International terminal:

Complete overhaul of the Victorian Barlow train shed roof including reglazing.

The construction of a new platform level concourse with cut-outs to the undercroft below and a revised structural scheme following removal of the arch ties which prevent the Victorian roof from collapsing.

A completely new multi-track station built at the far end of the Barlow shed to accommodate the Midland Main Line trains.

Construction of new suburban platforms to replace those displaced by Eurostar complete with a modern roof.

A new London Underground Metropolitan / Circle line concourse built immediately in front of St Pancras Chambers.

A new underground station box for the Thameslink service. Construction of this required the diversion of the Fleet sewer and the exhumation of bodies from the old St Pancras churchyard.

Refurbishment of St Pancras chambers to contain a hotel and apartments.

All of this was carried out around a live station and in the heart of London where £800 million is about the cost of a fairly average office building.

I think the people involved deserve at least some praise for what they have achieved, especially considering that they have completed the station to time and budget.

More 4 started the re-run of all the Sopranos episodes a couple of weeks ago. They're on every week night at around midnight - great stuff.

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I still pissed off with the ending of the final episode.:down:

I still pissed off with the ending of the final episode.:down:

It was a bit of a let down, but still generally regarded as the best TV drama ever.

The Virtual Revolution - just finished watching this on i-player.

Worth watching:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search/?q=virtual%20revolution

It was a bit of a let down, but still generally regarded as the best TV drama ever.

Nah thats The Wire:cheers:

The Wire and The Sopranos are the only two box sets that I own.

I still think that The Sopranos was the better series.

Look out for Kirkby lad Stephen Graham in the new HBO sries "The Boardwalk Empire" this year,he plays a young Al Capone in it.He's just played Baby Face Nelson in Public Enemies so he seems to be going places.

Look out for Kirkby lad Stephen Graham in the new HBO sries "The Boardwalk Empire" this year,he plays a young Al Capone in it.He's just played Baby Face Nelson in Public Enemies so he seems to be going places.

Looks good - though the cars look like something out of Bugsy Malone.

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Yeah I'm looking forward to it,it's directed by Martin Scorcese and and has the same writers as the Sopranos so it should be decent.:cheers:

Not the right thread I know, but this should appeal to any urbanista:

Requiem for Detroit

Saturday 13 March

9:00pm - 10:15pm

BBC2

"Rome's got ruins. Athens got ruins. Ours are bigger," says a Detroit artist near the start of this superb film: a long, deep sigh for a ruined American city. The spoken words here are striking, but it's the images that haunt you: street after street of once magnificent buildings, now derelict and gutted. One beautiful old theatre has become, fittingly, a hollowed-out parking lot. Detroit's wealth was built by its car makers, from Henry Ford onwards. Their 1950s dream machines helped shape consumerist America - a land of chrome-decked cars and picket-fenced suburbs. But in Detroit itself the suburbs sucked the life from the city centre just as the auto industry went into decline: some areas are now so abandoned that the prairie is re-establishing itself. Director Julien Temple films the bleak streetscapes cleverly, projecting archive footage of the city's heyday onto modern ruins. Nor does he ignore the political edge of the story: the sequence of the 1967 riots, set to Dancing in the Street by Martha and the Vandellas, may send a shiver down your spine.

http://www.radiotimes.com/ListingsServlet?event=10&channelId=105&programmeId=112055312&jspLocation=/jsp/prog_details_fullpage.jsp

Cheers PR, I will have to tape that. Sounds fascinating but sadly grim at the same time.

Echoes of another once great city dare I say? :-(