black guy wit black son n white dawtah in tha render... :>

doesn't look bad at all... it has similar elements to tha state theatre, black curtain wall fins but in a circular design... tha green wall will be a great addition, looking forward to seeing they deal with tha building facade of tha old building...

Apparently 'church house' and treasury buildings go to council in Sept & Ict and can be viewed at Council House.

black guy wit black son

its just a craaAAAZzzy world isnt it crave!

render for actually tower out yet?!

yes it is. Look at 13 posts into the future ;)

New library city's first civic building in four decades
BEATRICE THOMAS, The West Australian August 31, 2011, 5:32 am
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wa/10151455/new-library-citys-first-civic-building-in-four-decades/

A design by the same architectural firm behind the State Theatre Centre has been chosen for the City of Perth's new $55 million public lending library.


To be built on the site of the Law Chambers building in Hay Street, which will be demolished next year, the library and adjacent new public plaza will be an integral part of the St George's heritage precinct redevelopment.

It will also be the first major civic building to be built by the council since the Perth Concert Hall, which opened in 1973.

The concept by Kerry Hill Architects shows a circular building with floor-to-ceiling windows offering views across the plaza. The six-floor library will cover 3500sqm and include meeting rooms, gallery spaces, a cafe and amenities.

As well, three double-height ceiling spaces will be created for the reading collections room, a children's room and the entry lobby.

Last night, the council unanimously endorsed the design, which received glowing praise, and the $3.1m architect fee.

It follows an extensive tender process that attracted submissions from 18 companies.

Lord Mayor Lisa Scaffidi said the library would add a fresh, new dimension to the precinct and provide a new perspective on the adjacent heritage buildings.

"This will be a building of some stature, which will help to invigorate this historical but underused and rather uninviting area of the city," she said.

Mr Hill said he hoped it would be a memorable building both in appearance and use.

"It engages with the plaza, yet it’s a contemporary building, a building of its time," he said.

"It’s designed not to compete with the old building stock, but to complement them and to respect them.

"In that sense we hope it sits comfortably in the precinct."

Mr Hill said given the difficulty to be awarded a civic project, he was "delighted" with the library tender after designing the State Theatre Centre.

The council set aside $14.4 million in its June budget for the library, which is expected to be completed by late 2014.

Under the $580 million Cathedral Square project, developer Mirvac will turn the old Treasury buildings into a boutique hotel and build a new 35-storey office tower next door.

The Public Trustees Building will also be refurbished and renamed Church House.

Work on those buildings is expected to start next year and take three years.


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The cost is more like $50m.

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http://l.yimg.com/ea/img/-/110831/300811genlibrary2_175qmua-175qmub.jpg

looks good. Can't wait for the 'comments'

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that terraced/opened area on tha sliced roof looks interesting, i wonder if that will have an outdoor area for people to use... should have great views to tha swan... :o

I love this!

Edit.

New library to shine in cathedral precinct

31st Aug 2011

An elegant building with graceful circular design has been chosen as the preferred model for the new City of Perth Library and plaza.

The Council has accepted Kerry Hill Architects as the project architect after a tender process that attracted submissions from 18 companies.

The new library and public plaza will be an integral part of the St George’s Cathedral Heritage Precinct redevelopment, which includes the Old Treasury Buildings, Land Titles Office and St George’s Cathedral.

Lord Mayor Lisa Scaffidi said the state-of-the-art library building would add a fresh, new dimension to the precinct while accentuating the heritage aspects of the historic buildings.

The library and plaza will be built on the site of the Law Chambers Building (567-579 Hay Street) which will be demolished.* The current City of Perth lending library is located in the basement of that building.

The library building will cover some 3,500 sqm and will include meeting rooms, gallery spaces, café/tenancy and amenities. It will also incorporate sustainable design features.

“The Council was impressed with the distinctive circular flow of the building concept and its intermittent vertical cladding as well as its orientation to natural light,” the Lord Mayor said.

“The public plaza will provide an attractive outlook from the building as well as being a restful public space.* The overall design will provide a bright, new perspective on the adjacent heritage buildings which have been overshadowed or obscured due to their proximity to the multi-storey Law Chambers Building.**

“The Council appreciates the efforts of respondents to the tender process, particularly the three short-listed consortia.* Clearly this will be a building of some stature which will help to invigorate this historical, but under-used and rather uninviting area of the city.”

The Council invited three of the tenderers who best met the selection criteria to develop detailed design concepts. They were paid $15,000 each to do so.

Kerry Hill Architects submitted a quote of $3,112,600 for the supply of lead design (architectural) services. One of the company’s most recognisable recent designs is that of the new State Theatre Centre in Northbridge.

Construction of the library is planned to commence in November 2012 (after demolition of the Law Chambers Building) with an estimated completion date of late 2014.****

The library and new public plaza project is the Council's contribution as one of a number of projects supporting the revitalisation of the St George’s Cathedral Heritage Precinct.* These include the refurbishment of the Old Treasury Buildings by Mirvac/FJM on behalf of the State Government, the refurbishment of the Public Trustees Building by the Perth Diocesan Trustees and improvements to the Panoramic Building by the Public Trustees.


http://www.cityofperth.wa.gov.au/web/Media-Centre/?article=628

And a picture
http://www.cityofperth.wa.gov.au/imagedb/1145.jpg

Looks beautiful, and it's fantastic to finally see a substantial green wall. I'm actually really surprised that it isn't shithouse, not sure whether that's a good or a bad thing.

So yeah, seen it and errr...it's pretty tall.

Don't have any pics but feel free to PM me for "additional" info.

you "errr" doesn't fill me with confidence.

So is the tower expected to be behind the library and square plaza allowing the sunlight in? Pure office?

The tower is on the vacant bit of land on barrack st.

No pm's yet :(

The tower is on the vacant bit of land on barrack st.

No pm's yet :(

I pm'ed but nothing is showing up in sent messages

whoever enters the pm lottery to find out any top secret info about this tower, please post so we can all read it thankyou :|

this post will self destruct in 5...4...3...

Church House looks pretty good. It's very colourful and not designed by Kerry Hill.

office tower. all I can say is hmmmmmmm......

an errr and a hmmmmmmm...

Why do I get the impression it will complement Eqqus quite nicely.

not as bad but ..... (well it's tall)

This does not bode well......

The office tower makes the Enex tower look groundbreaking.

I don't mind it. Nothing special. As long as its nice glass we'll be right.

It's glass and tall, so it'll be good for the skyline :)
It could of been better but at least there'd no blank walls

^^and tourism.

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I'm genuinely surprised at how unannoyed some of you are with this design. We were told that this was such an important site and that there would be a landmark tower here. Now, being Perth, I wasn't holding my breath for anything overly spectacular but seriously, the best compliment any of you can give this design is ''it's tall'' and ''it's glass''. This is below uninspiring. It doesn't have any design elements at all. It's a piece of turd.

The State Office Block.

I don't know Acc. I am a fan of minimalism and I believe these sort of towers make a city skyline and give it the 'wow factor'. There's a strong emphasis on the vertical form of the building which will aid the impression of height and in addition the building has full-height windows and we don't have any buildings of this colour on the skyline.

Modernism/minimalism/internationalism is making a comeback in the West. I had hoped for better though.

Agreed, buy not on such a prime site.

I.e. In the link stick a landmark tower and then a couple of these in and it would go well.

It is a tad bland. I'm just hoping it looks good lit up at night.....

Still need a modern signature tower, a landmark. I doubt Chevron will build anything much different to BHP. Wheres our Eureka, our Q1?

where is the picture everyone seems to be commenting on?

I didn't realise that the tower was right in the middle of the heritage buildings. I thought it was on the north western part of the site, behind the cathedral (where some of the crappy existing buildings are going to be demolished.)

wait for tha official release then let tha blood bath begin... :p

wasn't this to have an opaque skin?

Dilaz showed me the pics on his phone today.

My first words - that will disappoint a lot of people.

I call it "meh", at least there is some height.

Can someone forward me the pic? :)

I'm still hoping it'll be slightly better than what we've seen. Dodgy renders + dodgy phone effect. (may be)
I guess we should have known better than believe the 'iconic' promise.

Can someone forward me the pic? :)

Same here.

You need to see a proper render of it before being too harsh i think. How set in stone is that design, but still that isnt an ugly tower, just not very interesting.

Very...square...

Looks pretty god awful.

Can't see council awarding it particularly high praise?

I didn't realise that the tower was right in the middle of the heritage buildings. I thought it was on the north western part of the site, behind the cathedral (where some of the crappy existing buildings are going to be demolished.)

It's not?
It's going on the vacant land between Perth Town Hall and Treasury Building

..isn't it?

It's not?
It's going on the vacant land between Perth Town Hall and Treasury Building

..isn't it?

Which to me is in the middle of the heritage buildings along Barrack St (ie. the Treasury building and the Town Hall.)

The podium looks quite interesting, but I'm not a fan of the rest of the building. What's with the rectangle and the square on the Southern and Eastern sides? The materials used will determine whether or not this will be good, as the design certainly won't.

@Urbania
Oh sorry, well then yeah, it is :)

Which to me is in the middle of the heritage buildings along Barrack St (ie. the Treasury building and the Town Hall.)

Am I right in thinking that the centre of the Tax building isn't heritage? It looks like plain modern brick from the back of City Hall.

I'm getting tha look theyre gunning for tha precinct now... I'm ok with what seemingly appears like boring shapes...

When will renders be public?

it looks exactly like 7WTC in NYC

http://s3.amazonaws.com/trd_three/images/41199/7_WT_articlebox.jpg

^^ saw today's paper and made tha exact comparisons... but also made tha same comparisons with 140 williams street, which is tha same height and bulk...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/140_William_Street_-_image_1.jpg

^^same height and bulk as 140william?????

^^
Williams Street New York City?

that tower is 140 william street melbourne... former bhp house, timeless design imo...

ohhh lame was holding out for something better design wise.

Perth strikes again?

^^ saw today's paper and made tha exact comparisons... but also made tha same comparisons with 140 williams street, which is tha same height and bulk...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/140_William_Street_-_image_1.jpg

140 William (152m) is a homage to the in Seagram building in Newyork that was constructed in 1957, it was a revolutionary building. I love Internationalist modernism if done right, when you are dealing with squares and clean lines the detailing must be perfect. It even has the same "cap" on the top.


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The podium looks quite interesting, but I'm not a fan of the rest of the building. What's with the rectangle and the square on the Southern and Eastern sides? The materials used will determine whether or not this will be good, as the design certainly won't.

A radical design doesn't make a building good if it lacks function. Modernism in it's pure form is still hard to find so I hope those cut outs don't compromise the appearance and that the built quality matches that of the BHP tower.

Modernism has long been dead and imo anything that is built today themed on that era is post or revival. Modernism was about removing all historical ornamentation and historical style. So you cant really build a retro-design today and refer to it as Modernist as its a contradiction.

A radical design doesn't make a building good if it lacks function. Modernism in it's pure form is still hard to find so I hope those cut outs don't compromise the appearance and that the built quality matches that of the BHP tower.


I'm certainly not advocating anything 'radical', the significant heritage component needs to be respected with a relatively simple design that doesn't compete with it. I didn't like that blue and brown glass monstrosity which was previously proposed for the site for that reason.

That said, there's a lot of room between 'radical' and 'boring', and this one is leaning heavily to the latter at the moment.

I don't think this tower is right for the site, from what I have seen so far. Not what I had in mind actually. If it were closer to the base of the tower we saw in the very first renders that were released when Barnett announced the project I think we would be heading in the right direction.

Sum random paint shop shite...

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fits right in... tho, i suspect it's prolly tha same bulkness as st martins tower...

Yeah, I thought it was a bit fat...

Nah, that's about right. Might be a little too tall though.

Still waiting to see the renders but rocstar's mock up looks pretty swanky to me. Heres hoping it turns out like 7WTC...

where's culwalla, he should be on this sh*t...

:)

Church House

http://www.oneperth.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Law-Chambers-Building-Perth.png

stolen from OnePerth.

I like it.

what's the material

Recycled garbage.

nice. It'll fit right in

I think it looks nice in the skyline

Wouldnt mind seeing some actual renders. Not just a MS paint edit with 7WTC dropped into the mix.

^^ Did you get the top secret-yet-still-dodgy-render of it that you can only view through being sent it in a private msg here?:laugh:

Do now. Thanks:)

Pretty slick looking building pretty sweet. Like it alot.

Hmm, the finish will make or break it. With the right cladding and glass, it could look pretty good (kind of neo-modernist). If they get the cladding wrong though...

while roc's render looks gd, something a bit more innovative would b noice rather than just another glass or white concrete box

Do now. Thanks:)

Pretty slick looking building pretty sweet. Like it alot.

can someone fill me in?!

Check your inbox SD

hook us up! ><

^^ me too pretty please!!! XD

Compliments the big two greatly. I love it's simple rectangle design cladded in glass. Would look even better and fit in more at 180m high

^^ saw today's paper and made tha exact comparisons... but also made tha same comparisons with 140 williams street, which is tha same height and bulk...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/140_William_Street_-_image_1.jpg

If it turns out like this I will be happy. This is my favorite office building in Australia. Love it!

Can someone PM me the pics of the render? Thanks

ah fuck it

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5858/img0106ca.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/5/img0106ca.jpg/)


http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2942/img0110yi.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/30/img0110yi.jpg/)

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/8158/img0104rk.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/img0104rk.jpg/)

I love it

^^ +1

Compliments the big two greatly.

make that the big 3 :tongue3:

:dance2: That’s the best we can do in the West - UGLY :down:

Gotta remember it's government funded, so an incredible design ain't what we were gonna get :)

What we got though honestly I do not mind, it's boring
But it's nice and glassy so it'll fit in

I don't think it's govt funded. They're just making a commitment to lease right?

they are leasing at a premium rate the subsidide the whole redevelopment

Gotta remember it's government funded, so an incredible design ain't what we were gonna get :)

What we got though honestly I do not mind, it's boring
But it's nice and glassy so it'll fit in

i like it. alot.

like you said tall and glassy is what we need in perth - as long as there is no concrete involved im ecstatic!!

Boring.

I just want them to shear off a corner or something to make it more interesting.

we have tall glassy boxes- and deffinately in comparison to other cities and our size!

140 william was govt funded????? thats not a boring box!

just another totally uninspiring perth box- but very practical im sure

we have tall glassy boxes- and deffinately in comparison to other cities and our size!

140 william was govt funded????? thats not a boring box!

just another totally uninspiring perth box- but very practical im sure

140 wasn't government funded, they just took up the lease

140 wasn't government funded, they just took up the lease

I thought it was owned by the WA government Insurance Commission or something.

I'm not sure now so I'm gonna be quiet :)

Edit.

I like it, Kerry Hill produces quality projects - the devil is usually in the detail as his office generally employs a minimalist aesthetic to their projects. It's the sort of tower that will still look good in 20-30 years.

140w is owned by cbus property.

Has anyone else seen the artists impression of the barrack St side in the latest Mirvac magazine?

is it online somewhere?

Not that I know of, I have a hard copy on me. Dont recall seeing this impression previously...

I would post he pic but... Don't know how :S

^^ scan from WestOz...

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same building footprint as st martins/allendale...

Hmm, pretty disappointed with the lack of ground level retail.

At ground level there's nothing more than what we already have. Oh dear.

It's alright within the context of the treasury complex. At the end of the day how many coffee clubs can we have in one area.

I am not expecting anything more at ground level here actually. I don't think the Barrack St frontage is appropriate for retail. The square and library will open onto Hay St. I think it is more important to active Cathedral Square, so hopefully the hotel and office building open onto that.

You would hope the hotel would have a few restaurants etc?

i would expect tha plaza side of this precinct to have a couple of cafes which would be fine, maybe a couple of restaurants in tha hotel section...

there's plenty of small scale retail/entertainment on barrack st, hay st and opportunities on pier st... this whole area just needs some proper gentrification, starting off with a big development as this... tha scale of older buildings here is far greater than tha west end, which imo has greater end product potential...

tha west has tha advantage of high end retail and boutique apartments, but in terms of architectural interest, you only need to walk around this part of tha cbd to see great examples of architecture and mix... it's just unfortunate, it's started in tha bastardisation of murray st with zenith and equus...

It has 3 restaurants going off the plans i've seen. The ground floor is all retail.

its boring, simple and univiting in everyway! but hey i wouldnt expect anything else

^^ :lol:

and bringing these over to the new page...i wonder if there is a space for signage on this tower - that top section possibly where its a different looking material?

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/9716/img0106nt.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/otb1000.jpg

Well i suppose it at least gives us our what- 14 or 15 building above 100m- compared to say Brissy's 51 or something!!! So it does do something.

this looks very similar to one of the sky plaza renders that was 'tokenaly' proposed for the emu brewery site

Anyone else discussing matters that aren't to do with this project in this thread will be IP banned too. I don't have time to clean up this shit.

its boring, simple and univiting in everyway! but hey i wouldnt expect anything else

It's a turd with sharp edges.

[QUOTE=hayds;83776033]^^ :lol:

and bringing these over to the new page...i wonder if there is a space for signage on this tower - that top section possibly where its a different looking material?




i think its colour bond LOL!!!!

ah fuck it

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love it.

Need more of this in Perth. Non of this stubbie shit thats common here.

I am not sure if this building is going to be visible from the war memorial at kings park or not. Is anyone able to tell me exactly where this will be on the block of land?

If those renders are correct, this building should square off right in the middle of these two towers making a nice little triplet from the war memorial.

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/6057/unledpanorama1copyv.jpg

It's the vacant bit in the middle, plus the bit if brick which juts into it (which is apparently a later add on to the OTB), so your pink lines would be pretty close

There was an article in today's West about this being approved by CoP. Now I think about it - it could have been just the demolishing and new library.

Yep it was the Library and refurbishment of the law chambers building. Pretty treasury will be at council next month.

Key city approval for Cathedral Square

21-Sep-2011 by Staff Reporters

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FRESH: An artist's impression of the new office tower at Cathedral Square.

The City of Perth has approved the demolition of the Law Chambers building and the refurbishment of the Public Trustees building, paving the way for the redevelopment of the Cathedral Square precinct.

Council last night approved a development application from the Anglican Diocese of Perth, which owns the Law Chambers building.

The approval is a key plank in the City's plan to restore the heritage-listed Old Treasury Buildings, and construct a new office tower and a new city library at Cathedral Square.

The approval is the culmination of months of intensive negotiation between a raft of key stakeholders; the Anglican Diocese of Perth, the City of Perth, Mirvac, The Public Trustee, Aman Resorts and the State Government.

Anglican Diocese of Perth executive officer, Brian Dixon, said the approval from council heralded the beginning of what would be a significant and much-needed redevelopment at the east end of the city.

“It’s a very complex deal that we’ve been negotiating for more than 18 months,” Mr Dixon said.

“The centrepiece of the redevelopment will be Cathedral Square, which will provide a significantly improved public open space as well as a vibrant pedestrian, restaurant and shopping area.

“The restoration of the Old Treasury Buildings, which will be converted into a hotel, has been on the cards for many years and we’re pleased that at last this unique heritage building will finally be repaired and refurbished.”

The project is expected to commence by mid-2012 and take two years to complete.

http://www.wabusinessnews.com.au/article/Key-city-approval-for-Cathedral-Square?utm_source=DBA&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=article_click

The CoP lending library, which is located in the soon to be closed Law Chambers building will love to One40 William while the new Library is constructed.

^^ source?

i'm sure if it had a permanent home in there (140W) people won't want it moved out later.... as the library would be right above the train station :)

^^you called it 'source' !?...lame and not funny at all man :no:

^^you called it 'source' !?...lame and not funny at all man :no:

???? i wasn't making any lame jokes or didn't realise a pun was intended... i was simply asking what suggests that the CoP library will be relocating to 140W for now.

Why should it have read "Sauce"? ;) and now i am assuming the city of Perth website is where i'll find the source... :nuts:

but i was joking, joking i tell ya :P

I hate how the CoP do their pictures!
there should of been a third picture but it went all weird when i copied it

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/4285/treasury.png
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/7022/treasury1.png

hhhhhhhm.

looks nice, makes you realise how badly the other pic represented it.

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Nothing to special, but will be good for the area. The focus here is meant to be the heritage buildings and the library, not the tower. A portion of the Old Treasury will be open to the public (the main double volume room) which I am pretty happy about. Also what is currently the small park next to Town Hall will become a public plaza called Foundation Place. It has been changed a bit from the renders on the previous page (no purple tree :( ) and while the changes are less pleasing aesthetically I think they will create a better public place.

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1171/screenshot20110930at319.png

Does this have a pretty good chance of being approved? and will that probably be happening next month.

Would like to see some renders from further out too so we see it against the rest of the skyline.

The premier wants this to go through so i doubt they'd stop it from getting approval.

I think that tower is quite nice actually...hard to go wrong with glass and steel.

How is the building being capped off? I thought it was mandatory that a building have 'visual interest' up there?

I love it!! Simple and elegant!

its a box!

After the interesting n innovative designs we have ended up with what was expected a glass grey lifeless looking box!

And i agree desbots wheres the roof feature that CoP design committee talks about in their statements to other developments happening ie 376 Murray????

Oh sorry theres always exceptions to the rule....

would look better if taller , at least it doesn't look to stocky !

bad

chevron?

Better than what's there at the moment!

in todays paper on page 6


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Tower in vision for old Treasury
Gareth Parker October 3, 2011



The first images of the proposed redevelopment of Perth's Old Treasury buildings have emerged, showing a 35-storey glass tower soaring between heritage-listed former government offices.

The plan, lodged by developer Mirvac with the City of Perth as part of the approval process, would turn the 136-year-old red brick colonial Treasury building into a six-star hotel with 48 rooms.

The ground floor, with its high-ceilinged postal hall, will be accessible to the public from St Georges Terrace, Barrack Street, Cathedral Avenue and a public plaza to be built immediately north between the building and Perth Town Hall.

The ground floor will contain the hotel's lobby, a day spa and other commercial tenancies with hotel rooms and a commercial tenancy to occupy the building's second, third and fourth floors.

The office tower will be clad mostly in silver glass and will feature a triple-height lobby and cafe at ground level.

The development also has provision for an annex building, which will sit between the Land Titles Office and the town hall and feature a swimming pool and gymnasium for the hotel, shops at ground level and office space.

The underground garage in the adjacent Law Chambers building, which is slated for demolition as part of council plans for a new library, would be refurbished to provide parking.

A report prepared for the City of Perth's planning committee says the design is supported by the council's design advisory committee and the Office of Heritage. It recommends councillors approve it.

The Old Treasury buildings have been empty since 1996 and several attempts to redevelop the site have faltered.

A 2006 plan, which included a more radical, angular office tower, was scotched amid fervent opposition from former lord mayor Peter Nattrass.


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http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wa/10386520/tower-in-vision-for-old-treasury/

i honestly don't know what to think... on one hand this development is finally going ahead, on tha other hand... it's just so yawn-crickets-tumbleweed... *sigh*

Wait for the comments :)

don't wait for mine... boring and uninspiring.

I agree it is, but I more meant the public whinging about it

i'm tha public...

if this is a luminous white glow at night in tha same fashion as tha state theatre fly tower, i'd be happy... but i seriously doubt this has any glow at night... i remember tha development application said something about an opaque skin on tha glazing, it doesn't look too exciting in tha render... there isn't even any detail to tha "skin" by tha looks of it...

Better than what's there at the moment!

This should be Perth's new moto

Its an uninspiring cheaply designed piece of shit :)

Its an uninspiring cheaply designed piece of shit :)
As long as the backwards thinking people in the Perth City Council continue to reject just about everything that's actually GOOD or interesting and as long as developers are too scared to try anything different, "uninspiring cheaply designed pieces of shit" are all we are going to get in this town.

I actually quite like this. Simple design, going to look good at night. Nothing special, but certainly prefer it to that massive brown piece of shit Saracen proposed once.

I can see the waterfront buildings looking like this :ohno:

I actually quite like this. Simple design, going to look good at night. Nothing special, but certainly prefer it to that massive brown piece of shit Saracen proposed once.

that saracen building would have been awesome!

http://www.ccnwa.com.au/sites/default/files/imagecache/page_image_big/page/images/Perspective_North%20West-1_1.jpg

The render clearly shows it as transparent, not opaque.

I really like the design. A building doesn't have to be an odd shape to be nice to look at.

that saracen building would have been awesome!

http://www.ccnwa.com.au/sites/default/files/imagecache/page_image_big/page/images/Perspective_North%20West-1_1.jpg

I would have luvvvvved this... mayb with blue glass instead

the saracen building looks way better , but they probably thought it looks to good for Perth so F***k them , they can have any old thing !

It's a complete replica of 7 World Trade Centre in New York.

Nothing to special, but will be good for the area. The focus here is meant to be the heritage buildings and the library, not the tower. A portion of the Old Treasury will be open to the public (the main double volume room) which I am pretty happy about. Also what is currently the small park next to Town Hall will become a public plaza called Foundation Place. It has been changed a bit from the renders on the previous page (no purple tree :( ) and while the changes are less pleasing aesthetically I think they will create a better public place.

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1171/screenshot20110930at319.png

I wonder how this goes with the fine grain to Barrack St or is inviting or compliments the Barrack streetscape. The blank wall of the Annex in the background only adds to the cold barren sterile atmosphere of the entire development. Does this look like an area activation???

Good onya Design Committee..

Agree.

If the Saracen proposal was chosen we most likely wouldn't be getting anything considering their current situation. Of course they didn't know that at the time, but in hindsight it worked out.

Yesterday in the paper.
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc443/Benjaminswar/IMG_0949.jpg

The Saracen proposal makes a good first impression. Though I'm not convinced it would look any good in real life.

Four massive building sections (well defined by big white outlines) against a skyline with every major building broken up pretty well by different shapes, glass or steel structures would have looked too bulky IMO.

Something we see to an extent with the large, triangular sections that make up the side of BHP.

Yesterday in the paper.


I would politely suggest she relocate herself to Paris if it's that much better than Perth. But of course she won't be able to get The West there...

Well, Paris is that much better than Perth actually ;) It's the old trouble comparing apples with oranges again.

Well, Paris is that much better than Perth actually ;) It's the old trouble comparing apples with oranges again.

Well, yes on that we agree, but neither of us write letters to the paper to point it out...

Well its hard to replace those 'Under 7 story' buildings when we have knocked most of them down.

Well, Paris is that much better than Perth actually ;) It's the old trouble comparing apples with oranges again.

I saw that letter in the paper as well and that narrow-minded kind of view is so frustrating. Of course Perth is nothing like Paris, nor will it ever be. Paris has been developing as a city for hundreds of years more than Perth and the architecture she talks about was built at that time. Paris is putting up tall glass structures now - not buildings like the Louvre. These are the times we live in and these are the type of buildings being built. What an idiot. :bash:

Exactly. Clearly she hasn't seen Sarkozy's master plan for the development of greater Paris over the coming years in order to ensure it can compete business wise on an international level.

She was talking about Paris right?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/La_D%C3%A9fense_from_Arc_de_Triomphe.jpg/800px-La_D%C3%A9fense_from_Arc_de_Triomphe.jpg

When I went to Paris I found that the exterior of buildings were maintained but inside they had been gutted to ensure modern living...its exactly the same here. we maintain the exterior of the older buildings....as can be seen around Raine Square. The same will happen at Cathedral Square. All cities evolve, at least in Perth we leave something behind.

Perth version of 'maintaining' the exterior just keeping the small part of the facade with some half arse attempt to connect to the new section. very few examples here where they've done a good job with refurbishment.

^140 to me would be the best
Dynons Plaza did pretty well
Hay street side of Enex is good
Also Raine looks half decent

To be fair just last month I saw a building in Paris right in one of the main areas ( Rue Saint-Honoré) that had been gutted with just the facade kept and it was a shocker. The glass was just too new looking and too receeded into the building and some weird metal lighting structure around it (it was not still under construction). Looked pretty awful.

Yesterday in the paper.
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc443/Benjaminswar/IMG_0949.jpg

Dopy bitch. Fuck off to France if you want some poncy shit.

This building looks fucking sweet. I like it alot. Minimalistic slick glass facade looks awesome.

What a weird letter.

"I know I don't live in Paris, and I never will, but I wish I did! And this building has something to do with making me as unhappy as I am about my life, I'm just sure of it! Well, goodbye! Love, Ms Beech."

Speaking of Raine integrating its heritage facades with the new, what were they thinking with the William street frontage. I dont mind the colours, but above the facades it looks like a high school gym poking out. Terrible.

^140 to me would be the best
Dynons Plaza did pretty well
Hay street side of Enex is good
Also Raine looks half decent

Example 1 of Bad: Medina on Barack Street

Example 1 of Bad: Medina on Barack Street

Thats all bad though.

Speaking of Raine integrating its heritage facades with the new, what were they thinking with the William street frontage. I dont mind the colours, but above the facades it looks like a high school gym poking out. Terrible.

Totally agree.

it's called doing the bare minimum to satisfy heritage reqmts...sorry I mean it's called integration.

it's called doing the bare minimum to satisfy heritage reqmts...sorry I mean it's called integration.

True!

She was talking about Paris right?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/La_D%C3%A9fense_from_Arc_de_Triomphe.jpg/800px-La_D%C3%A9fense_from_Arc_de_Triomphe.jpg

Someone should submit this to the same colum in response to her letter :lol:

To be fair that photo backs her up 100%. Paris picked a spot for the high stuff and concentrated it there, preserving the traditional height limits everywhere else. One problem we have is that our traditional heights are 2-3 storey not 5-6 storey, and nearly all buildings worth preserving are in the high demand CBD. If our city had been 5-6 storey and been in the same spot 50 years ago you could have imagined West Perth being La Defense.

But to them 5-6 stories are their homes, where ours are one
If we didn't have shitty sprawl, we could do what they do

The people that use Paris as an example are also against 6 floor developments. Gotta love Perth. Even very old cities who have hundreds of years of history to preserve to better than us in the progress department

But to them 5-6 stories are their homes, where ours are one
If we didn't have shitty sprawl, we could do what they do

Thats the governments fault isnt it!

Some more opposition, this time with a bit more intellectual weight behind the arguments than the "Paris is like Paris, so why isn't Perth like Paris?" letter from Mrs. Pensioner, Balga:

A City Ravaged by Tower Blocks (http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/opinion/post/-/blog/theburningissue/post/1885/comment/1)

Dr Linley Lutton is vice chairman of the Australian Institute of Urban Studies (WA) and an adjunct research fellow, School of Earth and Environment, at the University of WA

Perth has again shown its crude frontier-town mentality with the proposal to build a 35-storey monster on the Old Treasury building site.

One of Perth's few remaining precincts with wonderful examples of our early buildings is set to become nothing more than a scuffed footstool for another inhuman glass box.

Over the past several decades, government-sanctioned developers have desolated the Perth CBD by systematically removing as many interesting buildings as possible and now we propose to complete the task by compromising the best of the last remaining pieces.

There was a time when Perth was a very interesting city with delightful buildings full of character and detail lining the city streets.

Footpaths were a joy to use because buildings attached themselves to the ground in a way which encouraged people to enter.

Building scale at street level was right for pedestrians and the street-level windows gave a glimpse of interesting activity within.

However, successive governments allowed, even encouraged in many cases, the mercantile order to ravage the city in predatory fashion as developers and landowners demolished the existing smaller-scale buildings and replaced them with new modern office towers with their anonymous and uninviting entries set well back from the street.

As a result Perth city has become a perfect example of what geographer Edward Relph and other eminent social scientists call a placeless city which fails to engender a sense of meaningful experience, belonging and cultural memory.

Perth is now described in government tourism literature as "a modern city" which really is a euphemism for characterless. The phrase "a modern city" was also used to describe Brasilia, developed to be Brazil's capital in 1956, the centre of which is now universally criticised for its poor urban planning and sterility.

This proposed 35-storey building will "monster" the buildings surrounding it in the same way the Bond Tower "monsters" the Palace Hotel. It will also belittle the Town Hall in the same way the Cloisters building on St Georges Terrace is belittled by its giant neighbours.

Our planning authorities have an odd psyche demonstrated in their belief that it is acceptable planning to leave little more than the façade or a small piece of a heritage building and allow a huge glass tower to emerge behind.

More than the facade will remain on the Treasury Building site, however the attitude is similar.

There is no understanding that these wonderful buildings need good quality public spaces at street level.

The so-called Foundation Place Park proposed at the base of the tower is a perfect example of how developers attempt to seduce the public by defining a slither of shadowy paved area as a public park.

These gracious buildings are a public asset paid for by the public purse. The government fails to understand that its role is to be a good custodian of public assets and treat them accordingly.

The size and atrocious urban design qualities of the proposed building are not the only problems. The other is its form.

When will Perth mature to the point where it can show the maturity required to reject these glass and concrete boxes which provide no sense of human-scale and where architectural merit is surrendered up entirely to utilitarianism and standardised construction methods.

Perth's skyline is now comprised almost entirely of extruded, characterless boxes. Dislike of this building form is more than simply individual taste. In one study in 2000 the University of Queensland tested the public's preference for urban skylines.

The study involved asking 60 psychology students, with no training in architecture, to assess images of a skyline very similar to Perth including a large reflective water body in the foreground.

The results confirmed earlier studies published in the Journal of Environmental Psychology that there is a significant preference for urban skylines where building silhouettes are complex rather than box-like.

The skylines giving most pleasure were comprised of buildings with complex, sculptured designs for the top third of buildings.

With all the talk recently about developing a city for people I would have thought that anyone could see that this heritage precinct presents one of the best opportunities to create an intimate, fine-scaled human place.

The first obvious defence against criticism of this proposal will be that the site needs this type of development to make it viable. That is not true of course however, the real value of this special precinct needs to be understood in societal rather than commercial terms and our government needs to show some understanding of the concept of social capital.

So how does this proposal stand up to evaluation using the very same criteria set by the government in 2010 to choose a successful developer for this site? Well, the main criteria included preserving heritage values, achieving a suitable standard of architecture and urban design and achieving a positive financial outcome for the State. This proposal fails abysmally to satisfy the first two criteria and satisfies the third only because the State government has agreed to be the major tenant in the tower complex.

Sadly, there are few gatekeepers to protect the City of Perth. The residential population in the city centre is so small and only a handful of these are owner-occupiers with any sense of belonging so there is no one to take up arms and protect the city. The barbarians have entered and now control the city and show none of the understanding or sophistication required to create a city for people.

Thoughts?

I agree with them about the negative impact of previous government and developer actions, but don't think the "bad then, therefore bad now" argument is very fair. Their criticisms of the tower design and "park" are also valid, though in my opinion not strong enough to support an argument against the project going ahead.

Also, this is pretty ridiculous:

The first obvious defence against criticism of this proposal will be that the site needs this type of development to make it viable. That is not true of course however, the real value of this special precinct needs to be understood in societal rather than commercial terms and our government needs to show some understanding of the concept of social capital.

That paragraph is structured to read as "The first obvious defence against criticism of this proposal will be that the site needs this type of development to make it viable. That is not true of course however, [solution/alternative approach]" yet all that's there is a meaningless string of abstract values. As far as I can see there is no other way to make the site viable other than a development of this scale, and it seems he can't either.

The site has been vacant since 1995, nothing has happened so no, it's not commercially viable even for the state government.

His criticisms are both valid and contradictory. First he says people prefer skylines with interesting shapes then he goes on to rubbish 108SGT, one of our most interesting and distinct towers.

My only complaint for the tower would be the lack of roof feature and ground level interacting. Both of these things can be sufficiently addressed by the authorities without the project being altered significantly. Even without such changes, the project is a massive boon for the modern and heritage aspects of the city alike.

I thought it was a woman but I do agree to an extent on certain things.

Agree that the Palace Hotel has been butchered/ poorly integrated/ could of been done better into Bankwest and agree that large buildings need to be integrated at street level.

But if Brasilia is poor urban planning, whats Perth? and exactly how far ago was Perth an attractive place to 'grace the footpaths?' As Dilaz has pointed out, the site has been a shithole for like 15 years now so it does need the tower to be viable.

Oh and as if Perth has never rejected proposals before.

These comments from these left-wing tree hugging environmentalist / socialist academic types is the reason Perth has the title of "Dullsville"...Anti-development, anti-progress, anti-change....NIMBY's as you lot call them..

Waffling on about how a building connects with the pavement...what absolute non-sense.

The integration of the old with the new in Perth, is nothing short of fantastic.
Cities are not formed, and culture not created from pushing integration aside in a false attempt to stay in a time period when people did window gaze, and had time to wander about aimlesslessly, with all the time in the world to do nothing.
The perfect example of a city that remains stuck in the 1940's with old fuddy duddy views is Adelaide...Always trying to hold on to "the way things use to be" mentality. Anyone wanna head to Adelaide for a weeks holiday of fun and excitement? This is a city that has adopted such feel good policies and have a look at their economy, their city centre, their future....Bleak and depressing are the words I think of...With no opportunities, no excitement, and no change....same old, same old...and nothing to be proud of.

Thus if these so-called socialist academics who are supported by the tax payer who sit in their little uni office, attempt to justify their existence and push these "anti-everything" views, the title "Dullsville" will remain...Embrace change, embrace the 21st century and embrace development....A city that is developing and growing can only improve in all ways not least becoming a place to want to visit and a place to be proud of.

Buld it and they will come....

Build this fuka, and get this city moving!!!!

These comments from these left-wing tree hugging environmentalist / socialist academic types is the reason Perth has the title of "Dullsville"...Anti-development, anti-progress, anti-change....NIMBY's as you lot call them..

Waffling on about how a building connects with the pavement...what absolute non-sense.

The integration of the old with the new in Perth, is nothing short of fantastic.
Cities are not formed, and culture not created from pushing integration aside in a false attempt to stay in a time period when people did window gaze, and had time to wander about aimlesslessly, with all the time in the world to do nothing.
The perfect example of a city that remains stuck in the 1940's with old fuddy duddy views is Adelaide...Always trying to hold on to "the way things use to be" mentality. Anyone wanna head to Adelaide for a weeks holiday of fun and excitement? This is a city that has adopted such feel good policies and have a look at their economy, their city centre, their future....Bleak and depressing are the words I think of...With no opportunities, no excitement, and no change....same old, same old...and nothing to be proud of.

Thus if these so-called socialist academics who are supported by the tax payer who sit in their little uni office, attempt to justify their existence and push these "anti-everything" views, the title "Dullsville" will remain...Embrace change, embrace the 21st century and embrace development....A city that is developing and growing can only improve in all ways not least becoming a place to want to visit and a place to be proud of.

Buld it and they will come....

Build this fuka, and get this city moving!!!!

Lutton has a point about this particular site - it doesn't need a tower - there are plenty of other places to build skyscrapers in the CBD. It wasn't alway my view, but in hindsight I would have preferred the Treasury building to be redeveloped on its own and the spaces in between to have been opened up. I wouldn't cry if this development fell over (though it's pretty much a done deal) - it's a really dull building.

Saying that, harking back to the past ain't gonna resurrect it. His best point lies in the need for the Council to give preference to interesting new buildings (even at the risk of occasionally getting it wrong), to 'build scale at street level', to preserve what we have left, and to integrate these with future developments much better than we've done to date.

Abusing him as a 'left-wing tree-hugging greenie' isn't really fair - he only wants an interesting city. However, he does himself no favours by dissing the skyscraper.

This sentence tells the most about his views:

"Perth's skyline is now comprised almost entirely of extruded, characterless boxes. Dislike of this building form is more than simply individual taste. In one study in 2000 the University of Queensland tested the public's preference for urban skylines."

He must have scoured the most obscure journals for that 'study' of psychology students viewing city form; Perth is often regarded as one of the most beautiful cities on earth, many studies and opinions of which he seems to have overlooked.

One good point he makes is that we have too many box-like buildings - I agree with him there. Still, Melbourne and Sydney are far more open to attack from this angle than Perth (despite a handful of good highrise design in Sydney).

Lastly, he's right in that we emptied our city of people (in the 60s/70s) and left too few people to defend its heritage. The only solution to this is time, more inner-city living styles, and a more active heritage movement. We have organisations representing heritage, but they're quite the toothless tigers.

I think the problem is that this tower is a two steps forward, one step back kind of development.

Yeah, wonderfully restored heritage component!
Boo, blank lobby-hole that adds nothing to the street.
Yeah, new tower for the skyline!
Boo, dull, character-free box.

I'd love for the council to push for stronger street interaction and greater visual interest in the tower. But I take it we're beyond that now?

^^This.

The perfect example of a city that remains stuck in the 1940's with old fuddy duddy views is Adelaide...Always trying to hold on to "the way things use to be" mentality. Anyone wanna head to Adelaide for a weeks holiday of fun and excitement? This is a city that has adopted such feel good policies and have a look at their economy, their city centre, their future....Bleak and depressing are the words I think of...With no opportunities, no excitement, and no change....same old, same old...and nothing to be proud of.



Ok ok, hold up....I am going to defend my hometown. Adelaide is at the beginning of a boom of its own (There are more cranes in Adelaide than ever before) and is about to experience the rapid expansion Perth had during the last decade. Olympic Dam will play a big part of this as well as other major works such as the defence contracts. Have a look at what Adelaide is doing to its CBD. The Torrens Precinct, the new hospital and several U/C projects....Adelaide has never seen so many cranes.

Not to mention, Adelaide has a vibrant CBD. there are more events that happen in the CBD of Adelaide than Perth by far.

I actually like the fact that there is no roof feature, it is so clean. Of course that is just personal preference. I agree that the Barrack Street plaza needs some work, and it went backwards with the recent re-design (thank the Design Advisory Committee for this).

The guy should also know there is no point measuring things in societal value. Societal value does not pay for bricks and mortar (or steel and glass) nor does it pay maintenance costs.

"Adelaide is in the middle of a boom"?.... but your working and living here where the money is right, or where the jobs are....best you head back home for the boom then.....you might miss it...no point being here when the boom is coming.


Sounds like youve been brainwashed by the "Advertiser" again or been drinking too much Torrens water buddy. Keeping the locals believing that something one day, may eventually happen, and that building a hosiptal is an achievement...BOOMING!!!!....who isnt bulding a new hospital????

FACT: Adelaide has been about to boom for the last 50 years...Probably up to the point when Perth's population overtook it.

FACT: If it wasnt for Commonwealth funding primarily being funnelled by WA and QLD through higher GST redistibutions into propping up inefficient industries like car manufacturing and submarine building, Adelaide would be a ghost town by now.

FACT: SA was the only state that grew during GFC to avoid the recession.
FACT: I am here for university and for no other reason.
FACT: KABOOOOOOM! the sound of the end of the mining boom if China doesn't want your minerals.

FALSE: SA isn't taking your GST, Tasmania, Canberra and NT are.

Take it somewhere else guys. I'm sure there's a city v city thread somewhere.

Have a look at what Adelaide is doing to its CBD. The Torrens Precinct, the new hospital and several U/C projects....Adelaide has never seen so many cranes.


So basically similar things as Perth only less and less impressive since here there are U/C projects (only more of them and taller), new hospital (but bigger), city indoor stadium, underground bus station (and train stations - not to mention an electric train system), foreshore development, northbridge link to the city, causeway development etc.

Our planning authorities have an odd psyche demonstrated in their belief that it is acceptable planning to leave little more than the façade or a small piece of a heritage building and allow a huge glass tower to emerge behind.

More than the facade will remain on the Treasury Building site, however the attitude is similar.

So basically there's no problem here.

Ok ok, hold up....I am going to defend my hometown. Adelaide is at the beginning of a boom of its own (There are more cranes in Adelaide than ever before) and is about to experience the rapid expansion Perth had during the last decade. Olympic Dam will play a big part of this as well as other major works such as the defence contracts. Have a look at what Adelaide is doing to its CBD. The Torrens Precinct, the new hospital and several U/C projects....Adelaide has never seen so many cranes.

Not to mention, Adelaide has a vibrant CBD. there are more events that happen in the CBD of Adelaide than Perth by far.

Hasn't Adelaides annual population growth dropped to 0.8% lol? Hardly a 'boom', they are in fact going backwards!

The reports I've heard from my friends is that Adelaide is actually pretty dope.

At least Adelaide has an excuse. What's Perth's excuse?

Don't 'dis Adelaide guys! It's a really nice city.

Why are we ridding adelaide?
We have become like a JayT dissing Perth because our city has a slightly larger population and more buildings.

Because we're insecure. We can't build ourselves up with putting others down.

^ :lol:

Why are we ridding adelaide?
We have become like a JayT dissing Perth because our city has a slightly larger population and more buildings.

Because we're insecure. We can't build ourselves up with putting others down.

+1 it is typical small minded bullshit

btw 'ridding' was meant to be 'dissing'

I meant to say 'without' (same message anyway)

*roll my eyes*

I walked by where the new tower is going up. I don't see the problem. most of the original building will stay intact. Why not make a mini boutique shopping centre in there like those in Sydney?

*roll my eyes*

I walked by where the new tower is going up. I don't see the problem. most of the original building will stay intact. Why not make a mini boutique shopping centre in there like those in Sydney?

because the only way for this project to be financially viable is for the govt to rent it back at inflated rates

The perfect example of a city that remains stuck in the 1940's with old fuddy duddy views is Adelaide...Always trying to hold on to "the way things use to be" mentality. Anyone wanna head to Adelaide for a weeks holiday of fun and excitement? This is a city that has adopted such feel good policies and have a look at their economy, their city centre, their future....Bleak and depressing are the words I think of...With no opportunities, no excitement, and no change....same old, same old...and nothing to be proud of.


ewww you horrid little naive cunt with absolutely no idea of what its like here

because the only way for this project to be financially viable is for the govt to rent it back at inflated rates

Not related to Bwar's comment but this is exactly what all the 'naysayers' of the tower don't seem to get. Yes it's all well and good making the 'social' arguments but without a building with govt pre-commitment at inflated rates the treasury building redevelopment will not be financially viable and would remain in the derelict state that it is for years to come.
This is the sad reality in Perth and this is what most people don't seem to understand. You either compromise and get something going or let it sit idle and crumble.
In many cases the replacement is far worse than the original, in this case it's acceptable.

ewww you horrid little naive cunt with absolutely no idea of what its like here

Just for the record, were not all dicks over here. I've been told that Adelaide has a really good vibe, though I havent been there myself.

I'd love to visit Adelaide some time. Those pics that Giorgio posts show some really nice architecture and street level vibe.

Eastadl: Instead of abusing, how bout backing up your argument. Tell me something more than "we are building a hospital" and a few buildings of 80m..
Adelaide is booming.....Big deal.....

Coming from the city of churches, you certainly have a vile tounge....Have you even got a freeway over there yet?
Have you any international companies looking to call Adelaide their home base for their Oz operations?, that are gonna anchor a new 200m tower?
Tell me something inspiring, tell me something so that "Adorm" will want to get on a plane and get over there....

But you are right, there is one good thing that comes out of Adelaide,
....."the road to Perth"

Typical deadbeat crow-eater

Tone it back a bit Clippa.

Come on guys arguing over which city is better is pointless as none of us live in the best city in the world.

Eastadl: Instead of abusing, how bout backing up your argument. Tell me something more than "we are building a hospital" and a few buildings of 80m..
Adelaide is booming.....Big deal.....

Coming from the city of churches, you certainly have a vile tounge....Have you even got a freeway over there yet?
Have you any international companies looking to call Adelaide their home base for their Oz operations?, that are gonna anchor a new 200m tower?
Tell me something inspiring, tell me something so that "Adorm" will want to get on a plane and get over there....

But you are right, there is one good thing that comes out of Adelaide,
....."the road to Perth"

Typical deadbeat crow-eater

Dude, let it go.

Adelaide is a great city, I love my visits their. Culturally and food wise it is beyond Perth. The city centre is really vibrant and full all day round. This would relate to the fact that the university is in the city as well as numerous schools. It is also really active at night.

Re: the freeway comment, what does that even mean?
Having a freeway doesn't make Perth better. Personally I don't support freeways. They aren't entirely necessary. Its better to spend money developing other modes of transport from my point of view.
You'll notice that all the biggest and most developed cities spend far more on public transport infrastructure than individual transport infrastructure, like highways and freeways. That is more common in cities that belong to developing countries.

Re: the freeway comment, what does that even mean?
Having a freeway doesn't make Perth better. Personally I don't support freeways. They aren't entirely necessary. Its better to spend money developing other modes of transport from my point of view.
You'll notice that all the biggest and most developed cities spend far more on public transport infrastructure than individual transport infrastructure, like highways and freeways. That is more common in cities that belong to developing countries.

Yeah, sounds nice, but Perth started building its freeway infrastructure back in the 1950s, when every other developed city did, so I have no idea what your point is.

I don't believe any Australian city has spent as much on improving its public transport infrastructure as Perth has in the last 10 - 20 years. Adelaide still has one car train sets running at half hourly frequencies I believe.

So lets not overplay this thought that Adelaide is a cultural, progressive utopia. Adelaide and Perth are both the same suburban-dominated shit, although Perth is expanding at a much faster pace, and has been for decades.

why do most people like to bag Freeways, when you look at Google Earth a lot of cities Perth size ( N.America) have a larger and more intergrated freeway network , even European cities are developing their freeway networks at a faster pace than us. Roe, Tonkin, Reid all should have been fully fledged 6 lane Fwy's by now

Not related to Bwar's comment but this is exactly what all the 'naysayers' of the tower don't seem to get. Yes it's all well and good making the 'social' arguments but without a building with govt pre-commitment at inflated rates the treasury building redevelopment will not be financially viable and would remain in the derelict state that it is for years to come.
This is the sad reality in Perth and this is what most people don't seem to understand. You either compromise and get something going or let it sit idle and crumble.
In many cases the replacement is far worse than the original, in this case it's acceptable.

This is unfortunately true. I'm against putting a building on that site, now, but in Perth if it isn't getting a new building it's generally lying derelict. The Treasury Building could easily have been done up, and the area around it, without having a skyscraper built behind it - but not so in Perth. That's why it's lain dormant and decrepit for 15 years.

Bizarrely, the development got approval by the anonymous people making up the heritage committee of the PCC by 8-1. When a heritage committee are so desperate to have a historically important building (situated near the first tree felled to commemorate the building of Perth) renovated that the only thing that will get it moving is a 35-storey building behind it, despite the fact another modernist building was removed from that site some years before, then things must be pretty dire.

And this Adelaide-bashing by one or two is just ridiculous. Apologies to anyone from Adelaide.

This isn't just a Perth thing. Economics isn't unique to Perth.

This isn't just a Perth thing. Economics isn't unique to Perth.

True, but we have a noted history for our lack of commitment to heritage. Our very foundations were on a free society of effectively rich folk who divvied up the best land between them then sat on their hands waiting for the money to come. We only got off the ground when we started getting convicts, and were only secure when we discovered gold.

Our current minister overseeing heritage is notorious amongst people in the know for going the way of the owner, despite a building's heritage status. So long as it isn't on one of the PCC's small list of something like 281 buildings, then if the owner wants to smash it, the minister signs off on it.

That's the difference between Perth and many other cities, despite economics.

why do most people like to bag Freeways, when you look at Google Earth a lot of cities Perth size ( N.America) have a larger and more intergrated freeway network , even European cities are developing their freeway networks at a faster pace than us. Roe, Tonkin, Reid all should have been fully fledged 6 lane Fwy's by now

For some reason some people on here think Australia is the only country that has cars and everyone else lives in a utopian PT wonderland.

This is a skyscraper website...people on here want skyscrapers.

If this proposal was being touted in Adelaide or even Auckland, people would be extactic...Lets get excited. Forget that this to some may be a boring design, or a lifeless box. Its built to do a job and that is to house office workers. Not only that we get revamped and useable heritage building, aswell as a new hotel. Building this building will give Perth more culture, more vibe, more energy.

The alternative is to build a 6 storey campus style building near the airport or in cannington...Which would you prefer.....Barnett / Scaffidi have realised that to lift the dullsville tag, they need to encourage more people to the city, more office workers and with it comes hotels, and a useable heritage building for all to enjoy, and more restaurants / cafes and shops,

Not forgetting its one more tall that we can add to the list of kickin Adelaide's ass in the talls department...right EASTADL. :lol:

This isn't just a Perth thing. Economics isn't unique to Perth.

Im sorry but Australia would go close to being the most conservative and economically rationalist nation on Earth.

Either way this redevlopment is great and i totally fail to see how this building compromises all that surrounds it. Barrack Street is drab and the Treasury building wasted.
We get economic investment in the construction industry, the re-activation of an important heritage building and perhaps our most pure modernist skyscraper.

His whole article is fragmented and mute. He's right about the "Park" but the rest of it is essentially him clutching at different concepts he clearly doesn't fully understand.

Can we have a mod ban Clippa?

Just seeing some of georgios street level pics show how misguided Clippa is with his Adelaide bashing.

Can we have a mod ban Clippa?

Just seeing some of georgios street level pics show how misguided Clippa is with his Adelaide bashing.

Or ban anyone who mentions Adelaide in a thread about a tower over 150m. ;) JK

The Adelaide guys spew far worse stuff about Perth in their forums. (At least most of the stuff here has been backed up with facts). So all the Perth guys cringing at the Adelaide 'bashing', just give it a break.

Guys- give it a rest please.

New Bumper Sticker:

Perth: Probably Good Enough So Why Bother Trying

The Adelaide guys spew far worse stuff about Perth in their forums. (At least most of the stuff here has been backed up with facts). So all the Perth guys cringing at the Adelaide 'bashing', just give it a break.
Um if you are actually looking for the SA forums, they aren't here on SSC. They moved to Sensational-Adelaide, because there people who actually interested in Adelaide discuss development in the city - without the bashing from other cities.

Um if you are actually looking for the SA forums, they aren't here on SSC. They moved to Sensational-Adelaide, because there people who actually interested in Adelaide discuss development in the city - without the bashing from other cities.

Um I've visited those forums (and even registered) years ago, so thanks for the info.

For some reason some people on here think Australia is the only country that has cars and everyone else lives in a utopian PT wonderland.

I really don't think that is an accurate comment at all.

why do most people like to bag Freeways, when you look at Google Earth a lot of cities Perth size ( N.America) have a larger and more intergrated freeway network , even European cities are developing their freeway networks at a faster pace than us. Roe, Tonkin, Reid all should have been fully fledged 6 lane Fwy's by now

Because freeways carving up citys is dead end thinking for a bygone era. I cannot think of a single reason why Roe, TOnkin and Reid should be 6 lane freeways by now. Or ever for that matter. If there is one thing we have no shortage of is roads, and plans for more roads.

New Bumper Sticker:

Perth: Probably Good Enough So Why Bother Trying

On a serious note though,

Queensland Western Australia : Sunshine State

Because freeways carving up citys is dead end thinking for a bygone era. I cannot think of a single reason why Roe, TOnkin and Reid should be 6 lane freeways by now. Or ever for that matter. If there is one thing we have no shortage of is roads, and plans for more roads.

Freeways support sprawl. We keep building them to keep pace with it, I do agree that money would be better spent on PT in the inner city and encourage dense developments - but I can't see that happening in Perth for a long time (The current plan for Light Rail won't change our sprawling nature). It wouldn't be so bad if our freeways didn't have such massive road reserves, really does seperate suburbs.