Holbeck Urban Village [Archive]

jimbo

July 18th, 2005, 11:52 PM

We've already had this on the old thread, but while I'm at it, the Igloo development of the second stage of Marshalls Mill has pp and hopefully with get going shortly. the impetus seems to have wained on the construction front, with nothing except BWP going on in Holbeck as yet. this and a couple of the smaller residential element added to Globe Road will put that right team!

Application 20/380/04/OT
Received on 25/08/2004
Description
outline application to erect mxd use development with hotel residential a1/a2/a3/a4/d1 retail leisure &business units
Location
WATER LANE AND BATH ROAD UNION PLACE & MARSHALL STREET LEEDS 11 2950-3280 MAJ
Library

Decision Permission Granted Decision Date 30/06/2005

magicrealist

July 19th, 2005, 03:33 PM

The Cross Keys is due to open on Friday 22nd July.

Perhaps now is the time to start thinking of a meet-up whilst the weather is still holding...

Smoggie_Si

July 19th, 2005, 03:49 PM

The Cross Keys is due to open on Friday 22nd July.

Perhaps now is the time to start thinking of a meet-up whilst the weather is still holding...

I'm back in Leeds early august and always up for a pint of Erdinger!

Fred2

July 22nd, 2005, 09:29 PM

Cross Keys pub is now open on Water Lane. Quite nice - not bombarded by music as in other places. Plenty of room to sit out at the back in what is King's Court of HUV. Seems to stock only foreign (especially Belgian) beers. I think it will become pretty popular.

jimbo

July 23rd, 2005, 12:02 PM

Smoggie_Si

July 24th, 2005, 03:25 PM

Well chaps I'm back up in Leeds on the weekend of the 5-7th August to see my parents move out of our family home which we've been in since 1975. will no doubt be needing a beer and will certainly call into the Cross Keys. Anyone around that weekend for a cheeky Belgian beer?

I'm back in Leeds that weekend too. Could be a good chance to get a forum get together. As a recent recruit to the forum it would be good to put some faces to names!

magicrealist

July 25th, 2005, 12:32 PM

Saturday 6th @ 12pm? Leeds play Millwall in the opening game of the season at Elland Road this weekend, but fortunately (on two counts) the game has been moved to Sunday, 12:15 KO AND Millwall fans will be not be there!

Anyone got a link to what they look like?

BTW I was there last Friday evening when it opened and utterly splendid it is too. Hand pulled beer for the CAMRA brigade plus some top-notch draught European beers plus the usual array of fabulous bottled efforts. Bliss! Courtyard is great too when the sun shines! Talking to one of the owners and he told me they were packed out at lunchtime with people queueing down Water Lane!

Mind you, I expect it to be less busy at the weekend perversely. Until a greater density of urbanites are in the area, I expect it to be quiet for a while yet. Still, great place and a fantastic addition to the Round Foundry development.

Smoggie_Si

July 25th, 2005, 02:13 PM

Any chance of making it friday 5th early evening?

I would post a link to what I look like, but don't want to put anyone off their lunch! ;)

The Cross Keys sounds superb, North Bar is one of my faves so I have high expecations. Having said that I was rather disappointed with Angels Source in Chapel Allerton, owned by the chaps behind Oporto, another of my top bars.

I'll also have Oracle to try when I'm back :) sadly I've had to turn down an invite to the opening night this friday :( Roll on next week!

jimbo

July 25th, 2005, 03:58 PM

I'm back on the Friday night, but kings cross train from London Village doesn't get into Leeds till 2115 (barring unexploded ordenence, broken lines etc).

Saturday (anytime) would be best for me, but I suppose I could come down to X Keys on the Friday as soon as the train gets in.

I've only ever met Ahmedd and and Alphaxion, but they but seem to have stopped posting (maybe its a hint......) :)

Hopefully Fred2, Mike68, Rob, Molly, Aviator,. Da Bomb and even Leeds No 1 (if he gets his discount bus fair and permission from his Mum) can make it!

Leeds No.1

July 25th, 2005, 04:26 PM

hehe- I have money (1/2 of which is in euro though)! and a railcard which means I can get to Leeds but to be honest the chances of me getting to Leeds at that time and to the X keys isn't particularly likeley- infact I havent been to Leeds particularly recently, not since I came back from Spain where I just passed through. Thank God for the internet otherwise I wouldnt have a clue what was going on in Leeds. I have noticed, you would be happy to know though, is that general randomers who have no particular interest in Leeds or building are noticing that Leeds is a changing city full of new vibrancy, and that other people who still are not into building but often visit Leeds for the shopping are noticing that its getting better- I was glad to hear that quite a few people were aware of BWP. There are a few though who are a bit dim- in Harrogate you're either someone who goes to York or someone who goes to Leeds. The people who go to York seem to think the stereotypical view of Leeds- full of crime, dirty...etc and think its generally a horrible place and York's a bit posher. I like Leeds much better, probably because its a much more culturally diverse city, and I like multiculturalism. You can go back on topic now!

Smoggie_Si

July 25th, 2005, 05:36 PM

hehe- I have money (1/2 of which is in euro though)! and a railcard

And fake ID? ;)

Leeds No.1

July 25th, 2005, 05:42 PM

of course. who doesn't these days?

Smoggie_Si

July 25th, 2005, 05:49 PM

Disgraceful, wouldn't have happened in my day! :D

Da Bomb

July 26th, 2005, 02:18 AM

I would love to make the forum meet but I will be too busy checking out the construction of the Burj Dubai and the other delights of Dubai whilst on holiday.

Leeds No.1

July 26th, 2005, 01:47 PM

From BBC Leeds

Temple Works restoration unveiled

Temple Works is in a regeneration area
Plans have been announced to transform one of Leeds' most unusual buildings into a "cultural retail centre".
A London-based company wants to invest £180m in the Egyptian-style Grade I Temple Works in Holbeck built in 1840.

It proposes to turn the former flax mill into shops but there would also be works of art on display including paintings and sculpture.

Temple Works is based on the Temple of Horus at Edfu and its flat roof was originally covered in grass.

Sound solutions

Chris Hall, from SJS Property Management, said: "Temple Works is a unique piece of world industrial heritage, originally a flax mill covering an area the size of a football pitch, with a clever arrangement of conical sky-lights

"In design terms it was well ahead of its time in providing environmentally sound solutions to the problems of internal lighting and economy of operation. We intend to grass the roof again as part of the restoration plans."

SJS's plans also extend to the surrounding area where they want to build offices, leisure facilities and green spaces.

"We have had prior consultations with local politicians and those responsible for the urban regeneration of Holbeck."

Mr Hall added that a programme of public consultations and information displays would be arranged for people to look at their plans.

magicrealist

July 26th, 2005, 02:39 PM

magicrealist

July 26th, 2005, 02:42 PM

Smoggie_Si

July 26th, 2005, 02:55 PM

Smoggie - can you make it on Saturday sometime or is Friday early evening the only time you are in the area?

Sorry to be throwing a spanner in the works, saturdays a no go for me I'm afraid! Friday or indeed any evening late next week is best for me.

Loiner

July 26th, 2005, 03:11 PM

aviator

July 26th, 2005, 03:31 PM

Nice to get the invite, seeing as I am Holbeck mad restarted the thread, and have a flat virtually on top of the Cross Keys...

Aren't you the lucky one, living so close to the Cross Keys? Just come back from lunch there, where I had the most delicious gazpacho! Think this place will become a regular haunt.

jimbo

July 26th, 2005, 04:07 PM

Nice to get the invite, seeing as I am Holbeck mad restarted the thread, and have a flat virtually on top of the Cross Keys...

whoops, apologies, was just rattling off names as I could think of them, missed Di Livio (although he seems to be in Coventry anyway),Smartcity and Mark 1611 as well so don't be offended. :)

Sadly chaps I have meetings till 1800 on Fridays (that sucks) and then need 45 mins to negotiate route from my office inthe City (I'm normally a cyclist so avoid the tube, especially at the moment) to Kings X. Hence the train is at 1850, getting in justafter 2100. If anyone is still around then I can quite easily zip down (presuming we're not delayed). Actually, arriving at 2100 gives you guys time to make a dent in the beers! What thinks yee all?

di Livio

July 26th, 2005, 05:38 PM

I'm not released from Coventry prison until the end of August.

jimbo

July 26th, 2005, 05:49 PM

v. droll old bean! :rofl:

Smoggie_Si

July 26th, 2005, 06:38 PM

Sadly chaps I have meetings till 1800 on Fridays (that sucks) and then need 45 mins to negotiate route from my office inthe City (I'm normally a cyclist so avoid the tube, especially at the moment) to Kings X. Hence the train is at 1850, getting in justafter 2100. If anyone is still around then I can quite easily zip down (presuming we're not delayed). Actually, arriving at 2100 gives you guys time to make a dent in the beers! What thinks yee all?

Sounds good to me!

magicrealist

July 27th, 2005, 04:56 PM

OK - shall we say Friday @ 6pm? Should be pretty busy. How we all gonna know each other?

SmartCity

July 27th, 2005, 06:00 PM

No problem Jimbo, only just caught up with you guys on this thread! er what? Where? When?

SmartCity

July 27th, 2005, 06:11 PM

aviator

July 28th, 2005, 06:24 PM

Leeds No1, I watched the BBC Look North program about the Temple Works. There did appear to be some kind of skyscraper on the illustration shown incoporated in the Temple Works development, can anyone confirm this, or was it my imagination?

There is a tower block, along with a large amount of new build which will stretch along Marshall Street south of the Temple Works, and back along Sweet Street where there's a large amount of derelict land which forms part of the site.

Leeds No.1

July 28th, 2005, 06:45 PM

Yes there was, I was watching it too. I also noticed there was lots of cranes and it seemed to be quite a good place to see BWP construction and the developing skyline! Pity they didnt zoom out a bit and got some shots of the skyline...

magicrealist

July 29th, 2005, 11:34 AM

Arrgghhh - I forgot something! I've got an invite to the opening of Oracle (in Brewery Place) tonight at 6pm, so it's gonna be difficult to stay around until 9:30pm waiting for Jimbo!

Can I suggest we postpone this meet until maybe next week, or the week after - plus the weather is shite today and we need a bit of sunshine to really appreciate the beer at the Cross Keys!

Sorry fo the balls-up - that's not to stop the rest of y'all meeting up of course! Perhaps if we started a proper meet-up thread we can get a few more takers?

Smoggie_Si

July 29th, 2005, 12:41 PM

I thought we were meeting up next friday? I'm in Berlin this weekend otherwise I would have been at the Oracle opening too!

magicrealist

July 29th, 2005, 02:47 PM

I thought we were meeting up next friday? I'm in Berlin this weekend otherwise I would have been at the Oracle opening too!
ah, righto - that's ok then!

friday 5th @ 6pm @ cross keys it is - see y'all there.

jimbo

July 29th, 2005, 04:56 PM

jimbo

July 30th, 2005, 08:00 PM

OK - shall we say Friday @ 6pm? Should be pretty busy. How we all gonna know each other?

Hello - that's me in the middle of the back row, fourth from left!

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5981/klassefo9da.jpg

I may wear my Mickey Mouse sweatshirt on Friday so you can all recognise me. :rofl:

Loiner

August 1st, 2005, 03:09 PM

sounds fine to me... although I guess guys may be flagging by the time I arrive at 2130 - there's only so much to talk about?!?

I might personal message one of you next week with my mobile no, just in case I'm delayed or you get bored and decide to go home, so I'm not left like a Nobby asking around for magic and smoggie in a crowded pub on a Friday night. Might get a few rather strange looks.

Maybe we'll rope a few others in although Loiner seems to be smarting as I missed his name off first time round!

Ha ha ha!! I'm back!! Not smarting, just away on holiday! Also hacked off that I will be away this weekend, so not around to come along, so STILL will not be able to meet anyone...Pub is good - called in on Wednesday night. Should be a useful local..

Smoggie_Si

August 2nd, 2005, 01:57 PM

Hello - that's me in the middle of the back row, fourth from left!

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5981/klassefo9da.jpg

I may wear my Mickey Mouse sweatshirt on Friday so you can all recognise me. :rofl:

And look there's me on the front left with the monobrow ;)

For ease of identification on friday I have decided what I'm going to wear, organised or what? I'll be wearing a khaki t shirt and black cargo pants. I'm about 5 9 with dark hair shaved grade 1. Blimey, it feels like a blind date! :eek:

How many people are coming along?

magicrealist

August 2nd, 2005, 06:05 PM

I'll be there from 5:30 ish

Rob

August 2nd, 2005, 09:01 PM

ah, righto - that's ok then!

friday 5th @ 6pm @ cross keys it is - see y'all there.

Should be good for then, are we going for treck around town, see a few sites and visit a few watering holes ?

magicrealist

August 3rd, 2005, 01:54 PM

Should be good for then, I we going for treck around town, see a few sites and visit a few watering holes ?
Let the evening pan out as it is wont to do...

For those who've never visited these parts, we will be able to see BWP from the pub!

magicrealist

August 3rd, 2005, 08:17 PM

Fred2:

Can you make it on Friday down to the new mecca of HUV?

Rob

August 3rd, 2005, 08:48 PM

Aye, it'd be good to meet you Fred, I'm sure you could tell us a few tales from years gone by over a pint or two.

jimbo

August 3rd, 2005, 10:40 PM

hey this is turning into a bit of a rip roarer! May well have a good turn out! The more the merrier most definately. In the absence of other instructions I'll head straight to the X Keys when the train gets in at 2100.

ps60

August 4th, 2005, 07:35 PM

A housing and office scheme which will boost plans to transform a former industrial heartland into an urban village has won the backing of councillors.

They have approved in principle an application to knock down a 25-year-old industrial building in Globe Road, Holbeck, Leeds and replace it with 118 flats, offices and a cafe-bar.

A report to the council's city centre plans panel said the new H-shaped building would be up to eight storeys high and replace a building which failed to contribute to the character of the area.

It added that the development was in line with the council's policy to create an urban village in the Water Lane area of Holbeck, which was the cradle of the industrial revolution in Leeds.

Council officials will grant formal planning approval once final details have been agreed.

YEP 4/8/05

Fred2

August 4th, 2005, 09:43 PM

Aye, it'd be good to meet you Fred, I'm sure you could tell us a few tales from years gone by over a pint or two.

Sorry folks, can't make it. My remembrances of yesteryear can be summed up in two words - fog and soot. Can you imagine the buildings in Leeds, and elsewhere, were filthy and the Town Hall was absolutely black. The Clean Air Act of 1956 is the most underrated piece of legislation which has brought untold benefits to our cities and their buildings, but more importantly, to all of us in terms of our health and visual impact of our environment. :)

Fred2

August 4th, 2005, 10:08 PM

ps60 quoted : "A report to the council's city centre plans panel said the new H-shaped building would be up to eight storeys high and replace a building which failed to contribute to the character of the area".

What do you think the phrase "failed to contribute to the character of the area" means ?.
I reckon that when that building was erected some 25 years ago it was the best in what was then a very crummy area. Thank goodness our aspirations are higher now.

Leeds No.1

August 4th, 2005, 10:29 PM

If a commie block or ugly building now was seen as really good then, then in 20 years, we could be thinking 'what on earth were we thinking with BWP'! I somehow doubt it though....

ps60

August 4th, 2005, 11:13 PM

What do you think the phrase "failed to contribute to the character of the area" means ?
Its probably a kind way of saying "Ugly". 25-year-old industrial buildings are hardly paragons of beauty.

aviator

August 4th, 2005, 11:28 PM

Leeds No.1

August 4th, 2005, 11:39 PM

Hmm I dont mind that. It reminds me of the new theatre with some of the proposed wellington place development thrown in. I wonder if it will ruin the originality of Holbeck. It may be better to demolish the building and just turn it into a park for Holbeck.

jimbo

August 5th, 2005, 12:28 AM

Is it this proposal?

http://www.architecture2b.com/files/be5148db-0bd4-4db0-8e57-201022522049/Web/globe-road.jpg

I've seen that image before Aviator. it seems okay - anything would seem okay at the moment. HUV seems to be in a bit of a state of flux. Lots of rumour and conjecture about numerous schemes, but at present absolutely nothing under construction, not even phase 2 of Round Foundary. I think they desperately need to get on with a few more varied residential schemes and try and get a few more people moving in, (like Clarence Dock) it need some sort of critical mass before it can start attracting non-residents in on a regular basis. I recall the HUV website mentioning about 5 or 6 different schemes with companies like Igloo, Dandara et al all with sites of their own. Making a start on one of them would be great!

Leeds No.1

August 5th, 2005, 12:30 AM

I havent seen much change to make Holbeck an Urban Village really. I can see the vision, not the reality (yet). Why aren't they doing anything now anyway?

aviator

August 5th, 2005, 11:24 AM

I've seen that image before Aviator. it seems okay - anything would seem okay at the moment. HUV seems to be in a bit of a state of flux. Lots of rumour and conjecture about numerous schemes, but at present absolutely nothing under construction, not even phase 2 of Round Foundary. I think they desperately need to get on with a few more varied residential schemes and try and get a few more people moving in, (like Clarence Dock) it need some sort of critical mass before it can start attracting non-residents in on a regular basis. I recall the HUV website mentioning about 5 or 6 different schemes with companies like Igloo, Dandara et al all with sites of their own. Making a start on one of them would be great!

I should perhaps have included the text accompanying the image on the architects's website:

"Architecture 2B were commissioned to maximize the value of this prominent site in Holbeck, by creating an innovative and attractive design which is commercially sound. The client’s site is on the western edge of the Holbeck Urban Village and sits between Globe Road and Water Lane, two of Holbeck’s main arteries. The design reflects the importance of these two roads by arranging the workspace to face onto them; creating a strong ‘public face’ for the scheme. The residential element sits between these two bookends, the ‘private heart’. The two main uses are separated by a series of lightwells, which have the potential to be bridged. This allows a ‘live-work’ environment to develop on the site. The Haynes Group are renowned for their publishing business, in particular the sector of car maintenance manuals which are instantly recognizable via their wonderful ‘cut-away’ diagrams of vehicles. The design reflects this history in its semi-transparent layering of objects, including the cut-away sections of louver blades to the south-facing facade."

You're quite right, though, about needing to see some activity starting. The Dandara site on Manor Road, for example, has been cleared but is now being used as a temporary car park. However the man on the gate told me he expected to be there until at least Christmas. Yorkshire Forward are also reviewing the plans for the Tower Works so we may well see the Carey Jones designs effectively ditched.

Molly

August 5th, 2005, 12:10 PM

Sorry folks, can't make it.
... great shame.. it would be nice to meet you. ... will have to arrange a meet up you can meet up at for another time. :yes:

magicrealist

August 5th, 2005, 02:30 PM

... great shame.. it would be nice to meet you. ... will have to arrange a meet up you can meet up at for another time. :yes:
Will you be there Moll?

magicrealist

August 5th, 2005, 02:50 PM

Oh - nice to have a new 50 storey tower to talk about!! Bye eck, whatever next?

BTW I am wearing a dark blue shirt, jeans and black cons.

jimbo

August 5th, 2005, 03:07 PM

Oh - nice to have a new 50 storey tower to talk about!! Bye eck, whatever next?

BTW I am wearing a dark blue shirt, jeans and black cons.

@ magicrealist - did you get my message re: mobile number?

I shall be wearing jeans and a red tee shirt, carrying two bags containing miles more clothes than I need for a weekend, and no doubt look a bit flustered having been forced to stand up as far as Retford. I know what Rob, Molly and Ahmedd look like, so hopefully will pick you all out as a crowd.

Smoggie_Si

August 5th, 2005, 03:16 PM

I'm going to get to the Cross Keys at about 5.45, I've stuck with my proposed outfit of black cargo pants, khaki t shirt and probably a black hoody with a camoflage cross on the back depending on the temperature! If you're in there first Magic, could you keep and eye out for me as I'll be Billy No Mates otherwise! :(

Look forward to seeing you all there for cheeky Belgian beer action, looks like we've got lots to talk about after the Venture Tower announcement!

Molly

August 5th, 2005, 06:01 PM

Will you be there Moll?
Yep. :)

SmartCity

August 6th, 2005, 02:13 PM

Hope you all had a good time folks!

.......got a hangover???? ha ha

Molly

August 6th, 2005, 02:16 PM

^ Yes thanks....a real shame you couldn't make it.

I've stuck with my proposed outfit of black cargo pants, khaki t shirt
Ooh! That's what you'll be wearing! That'ud'f helped to have read that before this morning! :yes:

btw... thanks so much jimbo's dad for the lift home. .. and happily happened to drop us right outside the Indian too. :)

Rob

August 6th, 2005, 03:47 PM

Hey, had a great time last night, good to meet up with Magic, Smoggie, Jimbo, Ahmed (and Mollie of course), enjoyed the walk around HUV at the end, around the design centre and up to Marshall Mills etc.

for those that didn't make, I don't see any reason why we can't meet again in the not too distant future for those who can make it. It's really good to meet and put faces and personalities to names.

SmartCity

August 6th, 2005, 05:54 PM

It's really good to meet and put faces and personalities to names

.....whilest visiting Bridgewater today I was talking to a gentleman who was taking pictures of the great beast. Thought i'd say hello, me thinking he was probably 'one of the gang', but no. He'd never visited this site before, so hopefully we've got a new person on the block.

Welcome to the team if you've found us! :cheers:

Back to the night shift....deepjoy, eeek! :gaah:

jimbo

August 6th, 2005, 06:36 PM

indeedy, twas great to see everyone and thanks for waiting for me to put in a rather late appearance. :)

Was fantastic to see the inside of Round Foundary - and see the Cross Keys quite busy......not packed, but certainly quite respectable for a Friday night in Holbeck!

we've cleared four rooms so far, and the kitchen is emptying rapidly. I'm am, however, rather pooped so following another cup of char we'll be sallying along to the Garden Gate for a pint and then onto the Sheesh. Gawd bless the curry house!

magicrealist

August 6th, 2005, 10:45 PM

Beer and curry - is there a finer way to spend an evening?

Good to meet y'all - perhaps the next one can be on Wellington Street. Maybe the Wellie itself as it's a Firkin pub and has some decent ale? Easy to get the bus up to Horsforth from there too!

jimbo

August 8th, 2005, 12:08 AM

noticed demolition of Madison Hosiery factory and storage bit next to Tower Works this afternoon. Perhaps they are also prepping for something a bit bigger to happen? no idea if this is included with the parcel of land Yorkshire forward bought with Tower Works, but at least great to see some of the old pre-fab light industrial buildings biting the dust.

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/9288/img01588vg.jpg

jimbo

August 8th, 2005, 12:12 AM

another couple after an inspired evening in the Cross Keys on Friday. Can't believe I didn't get a team photo!

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/227/img01615uo.jpg

The jewel in Holbeck Urban Village's crown. The 1850's Temple Works inspired by the Temple of Efu. Plans are to turn this into a sort of Leeds version of Saltaire (Hockney Gallery etc). Amazing bit of architecture in what is currently a light industrial backwater.

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/198/img01641da.jpg

Smoggie_Si

August 8th, 2005, 11:52 AM

another couple after an inspired evening in the Cross Keys on Friday. Can't believe I didn't get a team photo!

Yeah, we mentioned on a couple of occasions during the evening that we must do a squad photo , but somehow beer, fat chips and king prawns kind of took our minds off any photo action! ;)

It was great to meet up with you all on friday and the post closing time meander around HUV was excellent! We certainly put the world to rights as far as Leeds development is concerned and I'm looking forward to another get together in the non too distant future!

ahmedd

August 8th, 2005, 05:29 PM

Hi

It was good to see you all on Friday. Magic - how many had you had by the time I got there?

I was really impressed by the Pub and the surrounding buildings, remined be of the modern squares you get in European cities.

The view from the pub was good looking over the west end of town and holbeck.

magicrealist

August 8th, 2005, 07:01 PM

It was good to see you all on Friday. Magic - how many had you had by the time I got there?
I think the technical term for it ahmedd is bolloxed. Or sometimes: completely hammered.

I tell ya, that Dortmunder Red is lethal stuff.

Next time, taking it a bit more steady...hah hah.

jimbo

August 14th, 2005, 04:35 PM

More from Construction News....... the Ingram Row development on Manor Row has been put forward to tender. The construction cost is £23m. Can't remember how many apartments this will be, but its on a southerly site, just along from CityWalk. We really need a few of these individual residential projects to get cracking, and this is a fairly good sign that progress evident.

This appears to be it........

pplication 20/304/04/FU
Received on 30/06/2004
Description
part 8, part 9 storey residential, a1/a2/a3 and office development with car parking
Location
20-22 MANOR ROAD LEEDS 11 2974-3267 MAJ
Library

Decision Permission Granted Decision Date 30/06/2005

Manor Road runs behind City Walk along to where the old LA Bowl place was. this is one of the developments listed on the Holbeck site, and as these start to come on line we'll see a gradual infilling of the old light industrial sites and hopefully it'll become more residential etc. As Fred2 points out, perhaps they'll drive out the ladies of negotiable affection. Not a great sales pitch for the area there really.

jimbo

August 14th, 2005, 05:14 PM

and here's another one which I think has been submitted before, but nevertheless has been resubmitted, possibly after a redesign as I recall the Civic Trust not being too keen on it. Think Aviator posted an image from the 2B architects practice.

Application 20/372/05/OT
Received on 29/07/2005
Description
outline application to erect multi level development up to 16 storeys comprising offices 47 flats and car parking
Location
67 WATER LANE LEEDS 2931-3289 LS11 9UE MAJ
Library

I think this is it..

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/4258/prestige8nz.jpg

Fred2

August 14th, 2005, 05:19 PM

I think the Manor Road development was of c. 700 flats which is a pretty large scheme and would require more than 8-9 storeys ? Is this possibly another separate development ?

jimbo

August 14th, 2005, 05:33 PM

There are quite a few schemes on Manor Road - here is another, but don't think this is either the one with planning permission, or the 700 student village plan either!

Client: A Bush (Holdings) Ltd

Architecture 2B were commissioned to design a Mixed use scheme on this industrial site that occupies a key position within the Holbeck Urban Village master plan, Leeds. The design approach was to reflect the expertise and metal fabrication skills of Bush Engineering in the architectural expression of the design, resulting in a folding metal façade to Manor Road as the main element. The benefits of the folding plate are to create visual interest and depth, and to create sections within which external balconies can sit comfortably. The design process involved a constructive dialogue with Leeds Planning Department, who were very supportive of the design approach and resulting quality of architecture produced. Planning Approval was received March 2005.

Contract Value: £5,000,000

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/9517/manorroad12ak.jpg

Fred2

August 14th, 2005, 08:11 PM

jimbo

August 23rd, 2005, 09:39 PM

Leeds Economy Bulletin states that Holbeck Estates Ltd has submitted an outline planning application for a mixed-use development with hotel, residential and commercial uses at Globe Road and Water Lane.

Nothing else, so don't know exactly where, but must be new, because its certainly not the Marshall Mill extension by Igloo, or the Globe Road resi by Wimpey and Bridgemere Properties. Nor does it seem to be the sole resi developments mentioned above. Another new one then, although a bit sketchy and lets face it, the Economy Bulletin hasn't always been accurate.

that said, it does mention two more schemes we already knew about:

- Prestige Salvage - 16 storey development at 67 Water Lane (that's the tallish looking strange curved blocks a couple of posts back with 47 apartments that Fred2 called a gimmick; and

- Bracken Development, who have received planning permission for a part 8/9 storey mixed use development at 20-22 Manor Road, with residential, A1, A2 and A3 usage and offices.

Let's hope they actually rock on with them eh!

Fred2

August 23rd, 2005, 09:57 PM

The Holbeck Estates development is between Water Lane and Globe Road and is situated just behind the car park at the junction of the two streets.

magicrealist

August 30th, 2005, 03:11 PM

September Newsletter, issue 08, is hot off the press but as yet is not on the website - www.holbeckurbanvillage.co.uk

Further news of Tower Works and Temple Mill plus Jan Fletcher's £500m scheme on the edge of the HUV area (37 storey tower and a football-sized central plaza it says here).

Also, there is a really good development plan in the centre spread colour coded for sites with planning permission, those with a current app and those in pre-app. Looks like the HUV is about to REALLY take off. Come back in 5-7 years and this place will be literally transformed. Interestingly there is a wireframe rendering of the Emco "triangle" site at the jct of Water Lane/Globe Road where it states the plan is to create 379 apts, hotel + active ground level uses. Looks about 8 storeys at the "point" of the triangle sloping back to about 5 further along Water Lane and Globe Road - I guess to respect views and sight lines of Tower Works from the Round Foundry.

If the PDF doesn't turn up at the website within the week, I'll scan and post it.

magicrealist

August 30th, 2005, 06:09 PM

Leeds No.1

August 30th, 2005, 07:30 PM

I seem to like that render of the haynes scheme- looks a bit like the royal armouries colours with civic theatre design...

jimbo

September 2nd, 2005, 01:01 AM

I seem to like that render of the haynes scheme- looks a bit like the royal armouries colours with civic theatre design...

good to see something regarding the Emco owned site (which is currently the Holbeck Globe Road Pay and Display (see the photo in my post of August 7th). My only hope is that the development isn't too high, the last thing we want is a tall block acting as a barrier between Round Foundary and Tower Works - its important that the individual HUV sites 'interact' with each other and ensure the feeling of community that HUV is trying to promote.

the Haynes development is also promising - interesting design, and is the farthest east of the HUV sites, on the map the green coloured site marked A is the Globe Road tower, so if these two get going anytime soon we'll have a real connection along Water Lane and Globe Road from BWP to Globe Road and Wellington Place!

Leeds No.1

September 2nd, 2005, 01:21 AM

Yes I agree- HUV shouls keep its identity but still share in the city centre's success. New builds should be promoted much more to the east and north of the city centre (sheepscar, little london) for example...

magicrealist

September 4th, 2005, 03:20 PM

Went to see the Temple Works plans on Friday and the scheme is massive!!

Also noted a 25+ storey tower at the furthest end of the development (which I think Goth mentions it on his www.skyscrapernews.com site). The main building is absolutely huge - apparently the larget roof in Europe when it was built. Yorkshire Forward own the Leodis court buildings opposite and intend to pull them down and build something more in keeping with this fast-developing area.

ps60

September 4th, 2005, 04:00 PM

Fred2

September 4th, 2005, 05:35 PM

That'll be the 26-storey Marshall Street tower.

Yes, I referred to this yesterday in #10 in the "which skyscraper will start next in Leeds" thread. Went to the presentation in the Temple Works on Friday wher I obtained a brochure about the proposed scheme - very impressive - where it mentions the 26 storey building. However, I suspect this will not be the first to be built on the site when and if construction starts.

jimbo

September 4th, 2005, 11:50 PM

Yes, I referred to this yesterday in #10 in the "which skyscraper will start next in Leeds" thread. Went to the presentation in the Temple Works on Friday wher I obtained a brochure about the proposed scheme - very impressive - where it mentions the 26 storey building. However, I suspect this will not be the first to be built on the site when and if construction starts.

I'm not hugely fussed about the tower just yet, its imperative to get the actual regeneration scheme for the existing Temple Mill underway - this will be the jewel in the Holbeck Urban Village crown! Any chance of anyone scanning in the brochure etc so we can see the scale of the development?

Fred2

September 5th, 2005, 02:39 AM

I'm not hugely fussed about the tower just yet, its imperative to get the actual regeneration scheme for the existing Temple Mill underway - this will be the jewel in the Holbeck Urban Village crown! Any chance of anyone scanning in the brochure etc so we can see the scale of the development?

Absolutely agree with you jimbo about Temple Mill. Sorry no scanner.

aviator

September 5th, 2005, 10:27 PM

From tonight's YEP:

"Boost for inner-city regeneration plan

MULTI-million pound plans to regenerate a key inner city area of Leeds have taken a major step forward. Yorkshire Forward, the Leeds-based regional development agency, has begun the search for a lead design consultant whose job will be to draw up a development brief for the planned Holbeck Urban Village site. Yorkshire Forward acquired Tower Works, a prominent site within the urban village development, in April. The agency's ambition is to develop it as a flagship regeneration project combining the highest standards in urban renaissance and sustainable development.

Now the agency is inviting interested companies to pitch for the design brief project with the winner likely to be announced towards the end of the year. The development brief will ultimately be used as a basis for a design or developer selection competition, said a spokesman. "Yorkshire Forward and Leeds City Council share a vision for Holbeck Urban Village to create a mixed use, sustainable community with a distinct sense of place, combining the rich architectural legacy of the industrial age with high quality contempory design," the spokesman added.

"The vision includes a new creative quarter to the city centre, improved connectivity with surrounding communities, new opportunities for employment, living and leisure." In June, former Leeds City Council leader Brian Walker was appointed chairman of the Holbeck Urban Village Partnership Board, which will oversee the £800m programme to transform northern Holbeck – once the city's industrial heartlands – into an urban village. The aim is to revive the Water Lane area and to create a thriving business and residential community.

Mr Walker has previously admitted that the area has serious deprivation problems, but says there is a determination to work in partnership to assist the area's redevelopment. "It's early days, but our intention is to engage the local community and create a concept with a plan for establishing a strong urban community, attracting business investment and linking it to the wider city," he added."

jimbo

September 5th, 2005, 11:14 PM

MikeinLeeds

September 9th, 2005, 04:07 PM

Work underway on one of the sites on Globe Road, just beyond the Tower Works site. Can't remember which development this is but it looks like good news!

CharlieP

September 9th, 2005, 04:29 PM

Yorkshire Forward own the Leodis court buildings opposite and intend to pull them down and build something more in keeping with this fast-developing area.

Do you have any more information on this? My company is in one of the units, and I can imagine that relocating would be rather non-trivial...

CharlieP

September 9th, 2005, 04:35 PM

Just read this bit from the brochure:

"The disused railway viaduct which runs through Holbeck towards Elland Road is an imposing feature and could potentially form a 'skywalk' linking the residential areas south of the city, through Holbeck to Leeds railway station and city centre".

What the...?!?!?!?

Stig282

September 9th, 2005, 05:32 PM

I saw that from WWF the other day, thought it would make an interesting public space like they have done in New York(?).

Just takes guts and enough decent people using the area.

Stig282

September 9th, 2005, 05:46 PM

Its called the High Line Project, yet to be completed - http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2005/06/14/nyregion/20050615_HIGH_SLIDESHOW_index.html

magicrealist

September 9th, 2005, 06:06 PM

Do you have any more information on this? My company is in one of the units, and I can imagine that relocating would be rather non-trivial...
AFAIK Yorkshire Forward own the land. The HUV masterplan includes opening sightlines to Temple Works which means demolishing the Leodis Court sheds. I also understand the units are let on short-term leases i.e. 6 months so there wouldn't be a problem getting everyone out.

BTW which company is it CharlieP? And why would it be non-trivial to relocate given that the landlords would more than likely give you 6 or 12 months notice?

Fred2

September 9th, 2005, 08:47 PM

Work underway on one of the sites on Globe Road, just beyond the Tower Works site. Can't remember which development this is but it looks like good news!

If it is beyond the Tower Works site it sounds as if it may be the start of the Globe Road scheme. If so, very good news !

aviator

September 9th, 2005, 09:28 PM

If it is beyond the Tower Works site it sounds as if it may be the start of the Globe Road scheme. If so, very good news !

Just beyond the Tower Works is the old Madison Hosiery site. Jimbo reported a few weeks back that the factory buildings were being demolished. So, it could be there, though I don't know what the development there would be. Beyond that site is a railway viaduct, and beyond that is our Globe Road site.....................

..........Intriguing! I might try to drive past tomorrow to see the lie of the land.

CharlieP

September 10th, 2005, 03:26 PM

I saw that from WWF the other day, thought it would make an interesting public space like they have done in New York(?).

Just takes guts and enough decent people using the area.

Sounds interesting, yes, but I'm highly sceptical simply due to the height of the viaduct - it might be a nice way to walk into Leeds but if you've got to climb at least two storeys to start with it's not going to appear all that accessible...

Leeds No.1

September 10th, 2005, 05:08 PM

Fred2

September 10th, 2005, 10:45 PM

In Keswick in the Lake District which I know well, an old railway line has been used for many years as a very well used pathway. Access is by stairs.

CharlieP

September 11th, 2005, 11:11 PM

A slope or lift could be the answer- I think its quite possible... The question is whether it will happen or not, but whiever way, Holbeck certainly needs better connections to the rest of the city as it is naturally cut off by motorways, railways and the river and canal.

Ironically one of the worst culprits is that disused viaduct - not only is it a wretched eyesore, but it forms a barrier through the Holbeck area. Every time I drive along Water Lane or Globe Road I keep secretly wishing somebody would knock it down...

aviator

September 15th, 2005, 02:32 PM

http://www.architecture2b.com/files/be5148db-0bd4-4db0-8e57-201022522049/Web/globe-road.jpg

E 20/124/05/OT Applicant: Haynes Developments Ltd
Outline Application To Erect Mixed Use Development With 118 Flats Offices & A1/A3 Retail Units With Basement Car Park
Site: 23-31 Globe Road Leeds 11

OUTLINE PERMISSION GRANTED 6 Sept 2005

Stig282

September 15th, 2005, 02:49 PM

http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/leeds/2733holbeck-urban.jpg

Can somebody do the same as the pic that was in the Mayfair thread.

This guys site has some interesting shots on it - http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/leeds/leeds.htm

jimbo

September 16th, 2005, 01:02 AM

E 20/124/05/OT Applicant: Haynes Developments Ltd
Outline Application To Erect Mixed Use Development With 118 Flats Offices & A1/A3 Retail Units With Basement Car Park
Site: 23-31 Globe Road Leeds 11

OUTLINE PERMISSION GRANTED 6 Sept 2005

So that will be on the far side of the viaduct (eastern side) where those two long sheds with vaulted roofs are towards the bottom left of the image? That must be opposite Madison Hosiery and the site Fred2 says is currently being cleared. That can only be good news!

Smoggie_Si

September 16th, 2005, 01:34 AM

So that will be on the far side of the viaduct (eastern side) where those two long sheds with vaulted roofs are towards the bottom left of the image? That must be opposite Madison Hosiery and the site Fred2 says is currently being cleared. That can only be good news!

From looking at the rendering it seems to be the Madison Hosiery site, judging by the location of the viaduct and what seems to be Whitehall Road in the background.

Seeing the aerial photo, I'm coming around to Charlies view on the viaduct. I normally hate to see anything old go, but it does seem to cut off tracts of land and Holbeck is not exactly sort of other railway viaducts!

Talisker

September 16th, 2005, 02:42 AM

Fred2

September 16th, 2005, 10:49 AM

That must be a replacement for the old application for the madison hosiery site that was withdrawn. And by the looks of it, it will be a very interesting building in a key location along the railway line. The facade design is original, although it's hard to judge materials from the single rendering.

No. It lies between Globe Road and Water Lane. The Madison Hosiery site, which I reported has been cleared and will be used as a car park (no idea for how long), is on the other (northern) side of Globe Road.

CharlieP

September 16th, 2005, 03:10 PM

Seeing the aerial photo, I'm coming around to Charlies view on the viaduct. I normally hate to see anything old go, but it does seem to cut off tracts of land and Holbeck is not exactly sort of other railway viaducts!

Yay! You will all bend to the will of CharlieP!

Stig282

September 16th, 2005, 04:58 PM

No plans to make it into a NewYork Style public space?

heavymetalmayhem

September 29th, 2005, 10:49 AM

Not sure if this is news to you guys or not but scaffolding has gone up over the tower works building that fronts globe road

ahmedd

September 29th, 2005, 05:13 PM

I dont think any bitof towere works apart from the Italiante towers will form part of the new scheme, so they could be getting ready to clear the site. As far as I'm aware Yorkshire Forward have not released the plans for the site, I think the origional plans were being looked at again.

MikeinLeeds

September 30th, 2005, 10:58 AM

Not sure if this is news to you guys or not but scaffolding has gone up over the tower works building that fronts globe road

Scaffolding is also up around the remaining buildings at the Round Foundry (those that front onto Water Lane by the Cross Keys pub). So looks like phase two is underway. And has anyone noticed the demolition underway on Globe Road, on left hand side (going up.. before you get to the railway)?

SleepyOne

October 11th, 2005, 11:59 PM

Thought this article might be of interest to you Leeds peeps.

BDP - The Round Foundry, Leeds

http://www.propertymall.com/press/images/14064pk.jpg

Date: 11 Oct 2005

The Round Foundry, Holbeck, Leeds has come top of the RICS Awards at a ceremony on Friday 7 October (2005).

The judges were so impressed by Round Foundry that they awarded it the prestigious Project of the Year Award. The award is given to one entry that is judged to have excelled in any or all of the four award categories: Building Conservation, Community Benefit, Regeneration and Sustainability. It was also winner of the Regeneration Category.

The Round Foundry lies at the heart of Holbeck Urban Village in Leeds. It was established over 200 years ago as a manufactory of steam engines and is the only surviving first-generation engineering works anywhere. BDP's regeneration scheme involves selective demolition of recent structures, conservation and adaptive re-use of a number of buildings on the site, and the construction of new buildings. The mixed use development comprises residential, offices and retail. The Round Foundry has revitalised a previously run-down area of Leeds, becoming the impetus for further regeneration in the area.

Simon Pott, chairman of the judges, said: "Round Foundry has all the elements of a fine regeneration scheme alongside extensive use of conservation techniques, a strong sense of sustainability and the community have clearly taken it to heart."

"It combines residential, leisure and commercial uses together with its industrial heritage, which is reflected in the plaques celebrating the history of the site."

"It is the quintessential project at which the RICS Awards are aimed."

This award brings the tally won by Round Foundry to nine.

Building Design Partnership are architects, landscape architects, lighting designers and acoustic consultants for developers CTP St James. Structural engineer is EJC Consulting Engineers, M&E Engineer is John Ryan Partnership and QS is Rex Proctor & Partners.

Stig282

October 13th, 2005, 07:05 PM

This is a development to watch as HUV develops out past it.

aviator

October 13th, 2005, 11:20 PM

This is a development to watch as HUV develops out past it.

You're right. The Pickled Pepper (in the picture above) is being joined by another restaurant/bar in the building to the left. Beyond that, of course, is the Cross Keys gastropub. And behind the Pickled Pepper the next phase of the development is starting. I thought, by the way, that this wasn't scheduled to start until next year. Nice to see that some things don't run behind schedule.

aviator

November 4th, 2005, 11:58 PM

Stig282

November 5th, 2005, 12:39 AM

Dandara is the site next to Velocity! Can't remember its name right now.

jimbo

November 5th, 2005, 01:30 AM

A bit of news, I suppose, in the barren wasteland of HUV. The dreary factory next to Velocity on Manor Road is being demolished. Linfoot's have an application for 260 flats but I'm not sure that's for this site. The site next door has also been demolished and is being used as a temporary car park before redevelopment. Meanwhile the old White Arrow site on Sweet Street is also empty.

I think Dandara have a site around here but I also recall that Simons Estates are looking to build a major development next to their successful (albeit dismal) Velocity. It's all very confusing.

Confusing indeed old bean.

The website has some masterplan stuff which might give us a better idea - but doesn't actually list the developers, only the parcels of land divided up.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5704/holbeckmap2hf.jpg

A Tower Works
B Madison Hosiery/The Antiques Centre
C Emco/Haynes
D Royal Mail/Prestige Salvage
E British Rail/Spacia
F Round Foundry
G Leodis Court
H Marshalls Mill & Adjacent Sites J Midland Mills and Adjacent Sites
K Temple Mill and Adjacent Sites
L Vacant Site
M Various Sites of Northern side of Sweet Street
N Jarvis Porter
P White Arrow Express Site
Q Granary Wharf
R Bristol Street Motors/ Viaduct Site
S Landmark Bridge

Rob

November 5th, 2005, 01:06 PM

Leeds No.1

November 5th, 2005, 02:31 PM

Village virtues
Plans for 5,000 jobs
AN "URBAN village" business park in Leeds is to become the home of digital and creative media in the city.
The project is expected to attract £800m in investment and create 5,000 jobs over the next 10 years.
Leeds City Council says it promises to be one of the most dynamic business environments in the UK. It is set in Holbeck, a few minutes walk from the city centre and neighbour to the landmark Bridgewater Place.
It is expected to attract designers, marketers and creative and digital media industries – and will be what the council calls "Leeds' missing piece."
Over the next ten years a total of around two million square feet of office space and 25,000 residential apartments will be developed. Flagship projects such as Yorkshire Forward's Tower Works scheme and Igloo's Marshall's Mill project will transform the architectural heritage in the area and provide office space for businesses large and small.
Surrounding developments at Green Bank on Globe Road and No 2 City Walk will add to what the area has to offer for major creative and digital media companies.
The team behind ther project will be attending Refuel 2005, a national conference for media, marketing and e-business, in conjunction with the Round Foundry Media Centre and The Design Union.
The conference, taking place at the Round Foundry tomorrow, is an opportunity for the project to showcase it's impressive offer to the creative and digital media community.
Coun Andrew Carter, deputy leader of the council and Executive Board member for Development said: "The vision we have is for a diverse area that mixes art and culture with business and residential developments. With the high levels of development taking place in and around Holbeck, high quality contemporary new office accommodation is already coming on to the market."
"The long term plan for the area is the creation of a thriving new community with investment of around £800 million creating up to 5,000 new jobs in the high value creative and digital media sector."
Vanessa Allen, Holbeck Urban Village Project Manager for Leeds City Council said: "We see Refuel 2005 as a fantastic opportunity.".
02 November 2005

Stig282

November 5th, 2005, 07:51 PM

Dandara site is called "Spectrum".

jimbo

November 7th, 2005, 11:33 PM

I noticed that 67 Water Lane (15 storeys) has been fully approved this week. I wonder if that will go ahead soon. The death of the supertram certainly won't hurt the city centre residential market. Is this the site that has been demolished does anyone know ? or was that for the Greenbank marketing suite.

The council website says its just outline planning, so don't think that means its a dead cert for construction just yet.

This is the proposal for Prestige Autos site, but is this the 67 Water Lane one? It looks round about 15 storeys, and a bit whacky at the same time.

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/4258/prestige8nz.jpg

jimbo

November 7th, 2005, 11:40 PM

Dandara site is called "Spectrum".

Also wondering if this is the Dandara scheme? There's no mention on the Dandara website, but this image was titled Manor Road, so suspect it might be Dandara.

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/9517/manorroad12ak.jpg

jimbo

November 7th, 2005, 11:50 PM

Ahh, bollix tee it - here it is:

Page 1
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/3301/huv14oa.jpg

Pages 2 & 3
Yellow = redeveloped
Orange = Sites with PP
Pink = In current planning app
Blue = Pre application discussion
Green = Sites outside HUV with development activity or potential for
Cross Hatching = Sites acquired by Yorkshire Forward
Other Hatching = Leeds City Council land

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1986/huv232dx.jpg

Page 4
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6910/huv47ey.jpg

Eh, look what I've found, another image of the Haynes site, but bigger and better than the previous one we've seen. This view must be from the end of Marshall Street outside the Round Foundary. Looks excellent, hope it actually gets built.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8185/globeroadfinal6cz.jpg

Here's the text from the website, posted already, but worth repeating. Architecture 2B (http://www.architecture2b.com/projects/mixed-use/globe-road.aspx)

Architecture 2B were commissioned to maximize the value of this prominent site in Holbeck, by creating an innovative and attractive design which is commercially sound. The client’s site is on the western edge of the Holbeck Urban Village and sits between Globe Road and Water Lane, two of Holbeck’s main arteries. The design reflects the importance of these two roads by arranging the workspace to face onto them; creating a strong ‘public face’ for the scheme. The residential element sits between these two bookends, the ‘private heart’. The two main uses are separated by a series of lightwells, which have the potential to be bridged. This allows a ‘live-work’ environment to develop on the site. The Haynes Group are renowned for their publishing business, in particular the sector of car maintenance manuals which are instantly recognizable via their wonderful ‘cut-away’ diagrams of vehicles. The design reflects this history in its semi-transparent layering of objects, including the cut-away sections of louver blades to the south-facing facade. Outline Approval was granted August 05.

Stig282

November 8th, 2005, 11:16 AM

Also wondering if this is the Dandara scheme? There's no mention on the Dandara website, but this image was titled Manor Road, so suspect it might be Dandara.

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/9517/manorroad12ak.jpg

yep!

Loiner

November 8th, 2005, 03:31 PM

Eh, look what I've found, another image of the Haynes site, but bigger and better than the previous one we've seen. This view must be from the end of Marshall Street outside the Round Foundary. Looks excellent, hope it actually gets built.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8185/globeroadfinal6cz.jpg

Here's the text from the website, posted already, but worth repeating. Architecture 2B (http://www.architecture2b.com/projects/mixed-use/globe-road.aspx)

Architecture 2B were commissioned to maximize the value of this prominent site in Holbeck, by creating an innovative and attractive design which is commercially sound. The client’s site is on the western edge of the Holbeck Urban Village and sits between Globe Road and Water Lane, two of Holbeck’s main arteries. The design reflects the importance of these two roads by arranging the workspace to face onto them; creating a strong ‘public face’ for the scheme. The residential element sits between these two bookends, the ‘private heart’. The two main uses are separated by a series of lightwells, which have the potential to be bridged. This allows a ‘live-work’ environment to develop on the site. The Haynes Group are renowned for their publishing business, in particular the sector of car maintenance manuals which are instantly recognizable via their wonderful ‘cut-away’ diagrams of vehicles. The design reflects this history in its semi-transparent layering of objects, including the cut-away sections of louver blades to the south-facing facade. Outline Approval was granted August 05.

Dont like that one - its a thug of a building. We can take comfort that the odd swirly pattern cut out of the cladding will be value engineered out in about 10 minutes. I do like that way they have related it to the surroundings at ground level with several bridges over the Hol Beck a la Deansgate Locks in Manchester.

Rob

November 9th, 2005, 07:16 PM

The council website says its just outline planning,

Oh yes, didn't spot that. Well at least it's the first hurdle over.

Fred2

November 9th, 2005, 08:10 PM

Looks as if a new watering hole will be opened soon at HUV which should provide competition for the Cross Keys. The Foundry Wine Bar with entrances on both Saw Mill Yard and Keys Court.

Liam

November 17th, 2005, 02:25 PM

Is anything going to happen with the eysore blocks of flats in Holbeck? Say, demolition.......

Liam

November 17th, 2005, 02:27 PM

The council website says its just outline planning, so don't think that means its a dead cert for construction just yet.

This is the proposal for Prestige Autos site, but is this the 67 Water Lane one? It looks round about 15 storeys, and a bit whacky at the same time.

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/4258/prestige8nz.jpg
Great building.....until I noticed the scale. A car is apparently greater in length than the depth of the building. :runaway:

di Livio

November 17th, 2005, 02:40 PM

Is anything going to happen with the eysore blocks of flats in Holbeck? Say, demolition.......

Possibly, there's a plan to develop the area as a student community, to take some of the pressure of an overloaded Headingley.

pfeatherstone

November 17th, 2005, 04:03 PM

three hideous buildings, will look terrible if they all get built. What a waste of an interesting site.

magicrealist

November 17th, 2005, 05:52 PM

Possibly, there's a plan to develop the area as a student community, to take some of the pressure of an overloaded Headingley.
This policy has been quietly abandoned di Liv. When they looked around at all the other stoodent accom going up around the city, they kinda figured there's no point. Anyway, HUV has enough problems without hundreds of drunken teenagers running havoc, sporting traffic cones for hats and annoying the neighbours.

dons tin hat in preparation...

gothicform

November 17th, 2005, 06:29 PM

so is it this one that has been approved?

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/4258/prestige8nz.jpg

Fred2

November 17th, 2005, 06:53 PM

so is it this one that has been approved?
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No.

Stig282

November 17th, 2005, 07:05 PM

so is it this one that has been approved?

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/4258/prestige8nz.jpg

Who sourced this render? Jimbo? Where from?

I've just seen some more plans for this. Awaiting planning approval but this is a design they are running with for the Prestige site.
Looking to see if I can get an elevation scanned...looks like a plane's tail.
Very narrow building.
http://www.tagnet.org/gma/images/plantail.jpg
http://www.ssmrocks.com/kimnovak/mt/blog/images/portland_alaska_air.jpg

Stig282

November 18th, 2005, 01:18 PM

All on the QT, so don't go banding these about... :runaway:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/Kesaph/Prestigeelev2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/Kesaph/Prestigeelev3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/Kesaph/Prestigeelev1.jpg

These elevations face GreenBank. Is 13 floors of resi

Stig282

November 18th, 2005, 01:35 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/Kesaph/Prestigeelev4.jpg

Its a really small footprint

Stig282

November 18th, 2005, 01:37 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/Kesaph/Prestigeelev5.jpg

balcony views to the Whitehalls

Stig282

November 18th, 2005, 01:46 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/Kesaph/HUVplan.jpg
The site is #18 on this map from the HUV site (http://www.holbeckurbanvillage.co.uk/)

pfeatherstone

November 18th, 2005, 02:17 PM

that building is vile. Looks like something from 50's vegas

Stig282

November 18th, 2005, 02:32 PM

I like it for the very fact that it is so different.
naturally cladding will be crucial here, but as a juxtaposition to GreenBank I think it will be an intriguing, eyecatching build.

aviator

November 18th, 2005, 02:37 PM

that building is vile. Looks like something from 50's vegas

Well, that just goes to prove that beauty's in the eye of the beholder. I think it looks amazing, though need to see more details about cladding, etc. Mind you, I liked the other proposals you hated so guess that makes me a 50s Vegas lounge lizard.

By the way, well done Stig. You've brightened up my Friday.

magicrealist

November 18th, 2005, 06:00 PM

Well, that just goes to prove that beauty's in the eye of the beholder. I think it looks amazing, though need to see more details about cladding, etc. Mind you, I liked the other proposals you hated so guess that makes me a 50s Vegas lounge lizard.

By the way, well done Stig. You've brightened up my Friday.
Yeah, I happen to know the guys at Architecture2B and I have to say that this is a tremendous effort for such a young practice. We should be supporting young up and coming architects!

The "thin" render was apparently the "money shot"!

A2B are doing the one on Manor Road too. I emailed them the link to this site and asked if they would contribute. Dunno if anyone has, but if you're reading fellas, good work!

Stig282

November 18th, 2005, 06:05 PM

Yeah, I happen to know the guys at Architecture2B and I have to say that this is a tremendous effort for such a young practice. We should be supporting young up and coming architects!

I wholeheartedly agree. Nice to get some competition against CJA.

pfeatherstone

November 18th, 2005, 06:36 PM

perhaps my tastes are a little conservative. The new buildings just don't look fresh and new to me, they just seem to be reverting back to the harsh lines of the 70's. Maybe it will work..at least there are no bloody terracotta tiles or silver cladding! Do like the fact that there are other practises than Carey Jones involved in shaping the city too.

Leeds No.1

November 18th, 2005, 07:25 PM

In general, I like the new builds. I'm not sure about this, it probably won't look like it does in the render as to be honest, it doesn't look particularly realistic, more like a promotion pic or somin. So maybe it will be good. One reason I don't think it will look like that is because of the tiny width of it and the strange angles.

jimbo

November 18th, 2005, 09:51 PM

Who sourced this render? Jimbo? Where from?

I've just seen some more plans for this. Awaiting planning approval but this is a design they are running with for the Prestige site.
Looking to see if I can get an elevation scanned...looks like a plane's tail.
Very narrow building.

look a couple of posts above, alternatively, click here :)
Architects 2B (http://www.architecture2b.com/projects/mixed-use.aspx)

jimbo

November 18th, 2005, 10:01 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/Kesaph/Prestigeelev5.jpg

balcony views to the Whitehalls

its certainly, well, different. I like the original thin tapering render that was posted a couple of weeks but, and I find it hard to make much of a conclusion on the basis of those elevations, but good find stig282. Those contacts are doing you well. Its another site that will benefit, and as magicrealist says, Architects 2B are really having a crack at Holbeck Urban Village with some work very different from what we've come to expect from the bigger firms. Anyhoo, check the site out using the link above and see what else they're up to. Wood cladding could be a real winner.

CharlieP

November 19th, 2005, 11:48 AM

All on the QT, so don't go banding these about... :runaway:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/Kesaph/Prestigeelev2.jpg

The passengers in that train are in for a hell of a shock when it takes off up that ramp! :D

SmartCity

November 19th, 2005, 08:08 PM

Returning to the 60's? It looks crap, big big mistake. I mean a really big mistake!

Leeds_John

November 19th, 2005, 08:12 PM

This one could go either way, i'd like to see some better renders!

Da Bomb

November 20th, 2005, 12:09 AM

What the hell is that!!!! Those renders look absolute tripe!!!

Leeds No.1

November 21st, 2005, 06:05 PM

Top gong for former foundry
City complex picks up another award
By Grant Woodward
IT was once the workplace of famed industrial pioneer Matthew Murray as he toiled away building some of the very first steam engines.
Now a reborn former Leeds foundry is fast gaining a reputation for collecting some of the architectural world's most prestigious prizes.
The Round Foundry, which has been credited for spearheading the regeneration of south Leeds, has just been honoured with a White Rose Award from the Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA) Yorkshire.
It adds to the already impressive list of gongs presented to the £40m development in Holbeck Urban Village, including two in this year's Yorkshire Urban Renaissance Awards.
The complex was again among the winners at a glittering ceremony held at Leeds Town Hall last week.
The foundry conversion unites old and new Leeds in a mix of apartments, offices and cafe bars.
While once it was home to machinery works for the thriving textile industry, it is now the site of the Round Foundry Media Centre, which provides cutting edge office accommodation and infrastructure for the digital, media and creative industries.
Elegant
The development has also seen the resurrection of one of the most historic pubs in Leeds, the Cross Keys.
The pub, which opened in 1802, served the then workers of the Round Foundry but fell into disrepair after the Second World War and was used as a tyre warehouse.
Other buildings to pick up one of the nine RIBA Yorkshire awards included an elegant "hidden" gallery which covers 600 square metres beneath the Yorkshire Sculpture Park near Wakefield.
The £3.5 million underground attraction is made up of three gallery spaces and was specifically designed so as not to spoil the sculpture park's landscaped grounds.
An award was also presented to The Courthouse Project, a development run by residents in Otley with the aim of transforming a redundant 19th century magistrates' court into a community arts and resource centre.
RIBA Yorkshire Chairman, David Smith, said: "The buildings that have received awards all have common traits; the designers by integrity of purpose responded successfully to the very particular brief, the client's needs are evident in the design solution, they are well executed and all the buildings have a spirit unique to their place.
"The best appear effortless and simple, and it takes a lot of work to be this effortless."
grant.woodward@ypn.co.uk
21 November 2005

Rob

November 22nd, 2005, 11:10 PM

I get a feeling that a bit of the 60s is the intention here, it is clearly long enough ago to have an element of nostalgia, as long as the quality is good. (It is more the quality that let the 60s architecture down). I think there is an element of the 60s look in the 'Aire' builing proposed for south Accomodation Road, looks a little bit like the infamous Watergate building (kind of).

I think I quite like it as a one off, as it adds another distinct style to the city.

Stig282

November 25th, 2005, 02:19 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/Kesaph/HUVplan.jpg
HUV site (http://www.holbeckurbanvillage.co.uk/)

Ground works have started on what I think is Site #8 (behind/next to Velocity North)

Will photograph when I can.

aviator

November 25th, 2005, 11:38 PM

Ground works have started on what I think is Site #8 (behind/next to Velocity North)

Will photograph when I can.

The factory fronting Manor Road has been demolished but I haven't seen any activity on the rest of the site, which is the old White Arrow site the other side of Ingram Row. Am I right in thinking this is the proposal that Simons Estates put on a presentation for in Bewley's Hotel? I recall not being very impressed by it and I think Rob went along as well. But I think that proposal was withdrawn. Apologies, by the way, for a rather confused post but I'm puzzled by this one.

Rob

November 26th, 2005, 05:20 PM

Yes, I remember that presentation, and I wasn't that impressed, just a load of low rise plain stuff with no real focus or feature. I believe there have been more revisions to the plans since then, that was some time ago.

jimbo

November 27th, 2005, 08:35 AM

The factory fronting Manor Road has been demolished but I haven't seen any activity on the rest of the site, which is the old White Arrow site the other side of Ingram Row. Am I right in thinking this is the proposal that Simons Estates put on a presentation for in Bewley's Hotel? I recall not being very impressed by it and I think Rob went along as well. But I think that proposal was withdrawn. Apologies, by the way, for a rather confused post but I'm puzzled by this one.

I thought the Manor Road site was the Danadara scheme which I think I posted a render of courtesy of Architecture 2B?

Don't get home much so may be mistaken, but didn't Stig282 says the development has been named Spectrum and primed for marketing?

BTW I'm sat in a t'internet cafe off the Khao San Road in Bangkok at the start of 3 weeks travelling around the highlands and islands and finishing off in KL for some top skyscraper action. ! Hurrah.

aviator

November 27th, 2005, 12:05 PM

I thought the Manor Road site was the Danadara scheme which I think I posted a render of courtesy of Architecture 2B?

Don't get home much so may be mistaken, but didn't Stig282 says the development has been named Spectrum and primed for marketing?

BTW I'm sat in a t'internet cafe off the Khao San Road in Bangkok at the start of 3 weeks travelling around the highlands and islands and finishing off in KL for some top skyscraper action. ! Hurrah.

Thing is, Jimbo, Manor Road has a number of schemes in the pipeline. For instance, there's a site right next door to this one where the factory has already been demolished. Currently, it's in use as a temporaray carpark until the building work starts. Next door to that, another site is scheduled for redevelopment, though there's no sign of any activity yet and the tenants are still in situ.

By the way, I hope you have a great holiday!

Fred2

November 27th, 2005, 12:38 PM

On this site #8 which has recently been cleared, a development of 800+ apartments is planned. That number of dwellings on this site would suggest a high rise is involved.

bobthebuilder

November 27th, 2005, 03:55 PM

will these developments ever go ahead??? seems abih far fetched considering the current state of the economy...

Fred2

November 27th, 2005, 04:48 PM

will these developments ever go ahead??? seems abih far fetched considering the current state of the economy...

A very pertinent question - but who knows ?

aviator

November 28th, 2005, 11:20 AM

will these developments ever go ahead??? seems abih far fetched considering the current state of the economy...

I think you'd better tell that to the builders who are on site.

By the way, demolition has started on the White Arrow site, so that's cleared up my puzzlement.

Skopie

November 28th, 2005, 11:51 AM

I don't see the building boom slowing down anytime soon, from next year you can link second homes to your pension, so alot more investors will be coming into the market.

Of course this isn't sustainable, but I imagine it will be at least a year before we see any signifficant slow down.

Stig282

November 28th, 2005, 12:46 PM

Fred2

December 4th, 2005, 10:55 PM

I note on visiting Manor Road this am that the cleared site that was being used as a car park is no longer a carpark and has merged with the adjacent site which has just been demolished - just some piles of rubble left. It's now a pretty large site, but when building will start is anyone's guess.

jimbo

December 9th, 2005, 11:47 AM

Hello

In this weeks planning apps:

Application 20/534/05/RM
Received on 25/11/2005

Description
8 storey block of offices with ground floor retail unit and basement car park
Location
SWEET STREET LEEDS 2972-3259 LS11 9DB MAJ
Library

That whole Sweet Street / Manor Road area seems to be really hotting up. Surely must be seeing some action starting fairly soon?

Anyone know who is planning this new office block? Can't be part of City One or City Walk?!?

Fred2

December 9th, 2005, 12:15 PM

Hello

In this weeks planning apps:

Application 20/534/05/RM
Received on 25/11/2005

Description
8 storey block of offices with ground floor retail unit and basement car park
Location
SWEET STREET LEEDS 2972-3259 LS11 9DB MAJ
Library
Anyone know who is planning this new office block? Can't be part of City One or City Walk?!?

No it isn't. I suspect it is a develoipment on one of sites 11, 13, 14, on Sweet Street on the master plan.

jimbo

December 18th, 2005, 02:51 PM

More cafes and bars in the Round Foundary on their way, and the office element suggests Phase 2 could be just around the corner.

Here's another snippet from the council website:

Application 20/553/05/LI
Received on 02/12/2005
Description
listed building application to carry out alterations and repairs to form offices cafe and cafe bar
Location
THE ROUND FOUNDRY WATER LANE LEEDS 2961-3290 LS11 5QN
Library

Application 20/554/05/FU
Received on 02/12/2005
Description
change of use of vacant industrial units to offices cafe (a3) and cafe bar unit (a4)
Location
THE ROUND FOUNDRY WATER LANE LEEDS 2961-3290 LS11 5QN MAJ
Library

Add to my list

jimbo

December 18th, 2005, 02:53 PM

More flats on their way, I think this scheme has been given permission already, but the developers are going for an additional 12 flats. HUV really seems to be ramping up the plans and proposals. If only we could see some construction action!

Application 20/545/05/FU
Received on 28/11/2005
Description
8 storey block of 57 flats 1st floor office ground floor retail & parking (amendment to 20/537/04/fu - 12 extra flats)
Location
16-18 MANOR ROAD LEEDS 2970-3269 LS11 9AH MAJ
Library

aviator

January 13th, 2006, 01:39 PM

Yet another planning application. This is a resubmission for one which came in a year or so ago. I think there was a presentation on it at Bewleys Hotel; I remember going along and being distinctly underwhelmed, though am hazy about the detail. At least one other forumer went along to it (Rob, was it you?) and may have a better recollection.

20/64/06/OT OUTLINE APPLICATION TO ERECT MULTI LEVEL DEVELOPMENT WITH 785 FLATS & A1/A2/A3/A4/B1 USES(AMENDMENT TO 20/61/05/OT)

Site: MANOR ROAD
LEEDS

Alexi Lalas

January 13th, 2006, 02:06 PM

785 flats is alot, it must be a fair old size this development.

aviator

January 28th, 2006, 11:37 AM

20/64/06/OT OUTLINE APPLICATION TO ERECT MULTI LEVEL DEVELOPMENT WITH 785 FLATS & A1/A2/A3/A4/B1 USES(AMENDMENT TO 20/61/05/OT)

Site: MANOR ROAD
LEEDS

This is the one that's been revised to include a 20 storey tower on Manor Road. Next week's City Centre Planning Panel will be considering a presentation from the developers. Go to the city council's website and you can read all about it. But for those who worry about these things, there's no reference to terracotta. The finish on the buildings will be render, timber, metal, and glass. Meanwhile, the developers are still clearing the old White Arrow site in preparation:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/apm22/26%20Jan%202006/P1010010.jpg

Skopie

January 28th, 2006, 02:07 PM

I shouldn't expect Terracotta, the council put an outright ban on it didn't it?

Leeds No.1

January 28th, 2006, 02:09 PM

Yeah I heard that...

aviator

January 28th, 2006, 07:27 PM

I shouldn't expect Terracotta, the council put an outright ban on it didn't it?

I wouldn't be too sure! See post 6 in the Merrion Centre thread.

bobthebuilder

January 29th, 2006, 04:14 PM

will this development even go ahead????will it stop leeds current raising unemployment levels??? will construction ever start???

Leeds No.1

January 29th, 2006, 04:30 PM

which one? Holbeck Urban Village? If so, then thats kinda already being 'constructed', well not constructed coz there aren't really new buildings. Also for your ifnormation, Leeds has the lowest unemployment levels in the UK, about 4%.

di Livio

January 29th, 2006, 04:45 PM

will this development even go ahead????will it stop leeds current raising unemployment levels??? will construction ever start???

Damn that 'Leeds Current', i see he's raising unemployment levels again. :hahano:

Oh, never mind.

aviator

February 15th, 2006, 03:14 PM

Tower Works update

There's an ad in Saturday's Estates Gazette looking for development partners to work with Yorkshire Forward "to deliver an exemplar mixed-use development, etc, etc."

It goes on to specify that "Tower Works must achieve the highest standards of urban design and sustainability. Developers must be willing to commit to deliver a scheme with a level of architectural excellence that will stand the test of time and will define Holbeck Urban Village's identity as a place."

I think we can take it as read that the plans Carey Jones drew up for the previous owners of the site are now dead and buried. Let us hope that this proposal helps to raise the quality of proposals across the whole city centre, not just in Holbeck.

Stig282

February 15th, 2006, 03:31 PM

Though CJA's involvement may not be dead an buried as they have a strong working relationship with YF.

di Livio

February 15th, 2006, 03:33 PM

I think we can take it as read that the plans Carey Jones drew up for the previous owners of the site are now dead and buried. Let us hope that this proposal helps to raise the quality of proposals across the whole city centre, not just in Holbeck.

Amen to that.

Some pictures of the Temple Mill scheme from the updated Civic Trust website.

http://www.leedscivictrust.org.uk/images/Templesect.jpg

http://www.leedscivictrust.org.uk/images/TempleMaster.jpg

Stig282

February 15th, 2006, 03:36 PM

I am so pleased they are keeping the roof that the Mill is famous for!! I wonder if it will be re-grassed!?

Fred2

February 15th, 2006, 04:18 PM

I am so pleased they are keeping the roof that the Mill is famous for!! I wonder if it will be re-grassed!?

That, I believe, is the plan.

aviator

February 15th, 2006, 04:29 PM

I am so pleased they are keeping the roof that the Mill is famous for!! I wonder if it will be re-grassed!?

According to the exhibition the developers organised last year, it was the removal of the grass in the first place which contributed significantly to the structural problems the mill now suffers from.

di Livio

February 15th, 2006, 06:37 PM

jimbo

February 15th, 2006, 11:47 PM

I am so pleased they are keeping the roof that the Mill is famous for!! I wonder if it will be re-grassed!?

more to the point, will they have sheep grazing on the roof as my Dad once told me? Whey hey!

Good find on those images, I walked around the back of the site in January and the old Energis distribution building is absolutely decrepit and in state to be demolished tmrw. Incidently, a few of the empty sites behind Temple Mill are currently housing the contractors working on the repaving of Briggate. Heaven knows who still drinks in the Commercial anymore, barely any industry left to sustain it.

Fred2

February 15th, 2006, 11:55 PM

Heaven knows who still drinks in the Commercial anymore, barely any industry left to sustain it.

But business should be brisk in about ten years time !

jimbo

February 16th, 2006, 12:08 AM

But business should be brisk in about ten years time !

quite! Good to have you back Fred2.

I know there is planning permission in for more bar/restaurant opportunities in Round Foundary, though I think in the next phase, which is called Green Sand Foundary?!? May have got that wrong, but its along Water Lane towards the Beast of BWP.

aviator

February 16th, 2006, 12:15 AM

quite! Good to have you back Fred2.

I know there is planning permission in for more bar/restaurant opportunities in Round Foundary, though I think in the next phase, which is called Green Sand Foundary?!? May have got that wrong, but its along Water Lane towards the Beast of BWP.

Well, the Foundry Wine Bar recently opened its doors behind the Cross Keys. But, I think the building under development next door may also have plans for some kind of A3 use.

By the way, I heard that Yorkshire Forward were looking to take up some of the new development as an extension of the Round Foundry Media Centre.

MikeinLeeds

February 21st, 2006, 10:59 AM

According to the latest PaD mag, Linfoots are starting to market their development on Manor Road ("Manor Mills") which hopefully means they will be on site soon.

ahmedd

March 29th, 2006, 04:53 PM

Update from Leedstoday.net. Nothing really new but a good rundown on what's happening.

Skywalk may provide vital city centre link

New industrial revolution sees futuristic plans to regenerate historic Holbeck
BY NIGEL SCOTT
BUSINESS EDITOR
A NEW "skywalk" along a disused viaduct could link Holbeck with the centre of Leeds under plans being considered by development chiefs in the city.
The scheme forms part of multi-million-pound proposals which are to be opened up to public consultation starting next month.
Leeds City Council and Yorkshire Forward, the regional development agency, are urging the people of Leeds to make their contribution to the development of the Holbeck Urban Village project.
The £800m scheme is creating a new industrial revolution – turning one of the founding sites of the city's industrial heritage into a new hi- tech centre in which future generations can live and work.
Many of the city's historic former factories will be brought back into use under the proposals – but planners and developers say that for the scheme to be successful, local people must contribute to the process.
The consultation exercise starts on Saturday, April 8, and public opinion is being sought on a number of proposals, including:
l Turning the Dark Arches – Neville Street and Dark Neville Street – into a new gateway from/to the city centre and railway station;
Transformation
l Transforming the disused viaduct into a new skywalk route from Holbeck Urban Village into the city centre and linking the site with Holbeck and Beeston Hill;
l Turning the Holbeck water course into a central feature;
l Adding a new bridge across the canal to connect the site with the west side of the city centre;
l Reopening Sweet Street to through traffic;
l Opening up Tower Works as a new canal side public concourse.
Leeds City Council leader, Coun Andrew Carter, said the scheme, including a new creative and digital media quarter, promised to become "one of the most dynamic business environments in the UK".
He continued: "For it to be successful, it is important that neighbouring communities are involved from the start.
"The exhibition represents an opportunity for people living and working locally to learn more about an important and fascinating part of Leeds's history and influence the future development of the area."
To link with the consultation programme, an exhibition will be held from April 8 to April 22.
It will feature a series of 11 new contemporary art installations, commissioned from Yorkshire-based artists, exploring the history of the Holbeck area.There will also be a programme of performances, displays and talks.
Public feedback will be collected through questionnaires and video recordings.

Factfile
Holbeck history
l Holbeck was the birthplace of the industrial revolution in Leeds
l The area first developed around 200 years ago with activities including flax spinning, iron casting and machine manufacturing carried out from steam-powered mills and workshops.
l Working families lived close by, often in poor conditions in back-to-back homes.
l Today's legacy is a heritage area boasting the Grade I listed Temple Works, with its Egyptian facade modelled on the Temple of Horus at Edfu, and the Grade II listed towers of Tower Works, modelled on classical Italian towers.
l The Foundry Street area has some of the oldest surviving industrial workshop buildings in the world.
l Formerly cut off from the city centre by canal, river and rail lines, the city is now expanding back into Holbeck to create the new Urban Village.
29 March 2006

The Oil

March 29th, 2006, 05:05 PM

Why doesn't it say where the exhibition is being held?

di Livio

March 29th, 2006, 06:40 PM

The area captured my imagination when I was younger, so I'm delighted it's one of the council's focal points for regeneration. There's so much that is unique to Leeds in this area and it's been neglected for far too long. I just hope there's a good balance between cultural and commercial interests.

jimbo

March 29th, 2006, 08:53 PM

This skywalk plan has been in the etha for absolutely ages. I remember seeing some basic concept visuals of people walking along the top of it and over the river and canal. Can't for the life of me think where I found them, but its about time they addressed the issue.

Can't see how they'll open up the Tower Works canalside until the entire development has been completed, which will be at least 4-5 years away. Anyway, good to see that the masterplan is progressing and they are thinking about HUV cohesively.

daveylad2

March 29th, 2006, 09:25 PM

This skywalk plan has been in the etha for absolutely ages. I remember seeing some basic concept visuals of people walking along the top of it and over the river and canal. Can't for the life of me think where I found them, but its about time they addressed the issue.

I think the visuals were on the HUV website, but they are constructing a new website at the moment.

Rob

March 29th, 2006, 10:38 PM

Why doesn't it say where the exhibition is being held?

Exactly, I was about to add in my diary until I tried to spot where it will be. Perhaps in one of the Granary Wharf units like the Isis exhibition ? Who knows.

The Oil

March 29th, 2006, 11:25 PM

Exactly, I was about to add in my diary until I tried to spot where it will be. Perhaps in one of the Granary Wharf units like the Isis exhibition ? Who knows.

The YEP, journalism at it's finest!! :)

ahmedd

March 29th, 2006, 11:47 PM

Why doesn't it say where the exhibition is being held?

I think I remember seeing a planning application by Yorkshire Forward for an exhibition area on Tower Works site, I may have imagined it though!

jimbo

March 31st, 2006, 02:32 PM

Construction News reports the construction of Linfoots second stage at MArshall Mill (next to Round Foundary) has been given to Manchester based OCOM developments. Never heard of them myself, but they are due on site in May for the £45m development of 240 flats, again designed by Philip Stark. Not seen any renders, anyone got an idea of what this will look like the the exact site?

Rob

March 31st, 2006, 07:10 PM

SleepyOne

March 31st, 2006, 07:38 PM

found this:

http://www.property-week.co.uk/Pictures/web/q/l/k/13_P51_ManorMills1.jpg

Yoo, the residential development business headed by John Hitchcox and designer Philippe Starck, has launched its first development in the north of England.

Manor Mills, in Leeds' Holbeck Urban Village, is a joint venture with KW Linfoot, and will consist of 280 units spread over nine floors.

Leeds No.1

March 31st, 2006, 09:40 PM

Can see alot of negatives coming frm people on this, but I like it. White might get dirty though!

jimbo

April 1st, 2006, 02:42 PM

£45m ? that sounds a bit over the top, you can build a 15-20 storey tower for £45m. I don't think that's correct, but not like CN to get it wrong ? :?

hmm, I could have got it wrong, but either way, its due to start in May. Difficult to make a judgement on the basis of that render, it could be absolutely anywhere. The red building in the background looks like that Halifax call centre and a few of the surrounding buildings, but no BWP suggests maybe not. Anyone got an idea of the exact site?

Either way, fantastic to get another resi development off and running in HUV, really needs to get some impetus - seems lots of talk and proposals but bugger all action for the past 2 years or so.

Where did you get the render Sleepyone?

Rob

April 1st, 2006, 04:32 PM

No, you're right, Construction News did say £45m, I just wonder if that is right for a mere 9 storey building.

However, it is quite long and deep though, so maybe it's costly for that reason.

Skopie

April 1st, 2006, 04:50 PM

And at 240 flats that's nearly 190k build cost per apartment, which seems pretty steep.

mike68

April 2nd, 2006, 10:11 PM

Perhaps the YEP didn't mention where the exibition was as even this banner advertising it doesn't say where it is!
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3487/img02235sm.jpg

PhilBee

April 3rd, 2006, 10:01 AM

I think the visuals were on the HUV website, but they are constructing a new website at the moment.
Read in the YP last week that the new HUV website should be up and running sometime tomorrow

magicrealist

April 3rd, 2006, 04:22 PM

Read in the YP last week that the new HUV website should be up and running sometime tomorrow
Yeah? I know the guys doing it - I'll ask them when the "go live" date is...

jimbo

April 4th, 2006, 11:09 PM

ahmedd

April 5th, 2006, 01:43 PM

Got a HUV 'Secrets & Light' exhibition Brochure through the post this morning. The exhibition of art works will run from April 8th -21st in the Dark Arches and the Round Foundry.

Also a temporary Pavilion is being created on the Tower Works site. This will be used initially to showcase the future plans for the HUV.

Stig282

April 5th, 2006, 03:44 PM

This will be used initially to showcase the future plans for the HUV.
Now that should be worth seeing!

magicrealist

April 5th, 2006, 04:12 PM

Next phase of Round Foundary has pp I think, unless this a little derelict bit of the first phase. Magic, is this the red brick block on the right hand side when you're looking at the Media Centre with your back to BWP and the Halifax building?

Application 20/553/05/LI
Received on 02/12/2005
Description
listed building application to carry out alterations and repairs to form offices cafe and cafe bar
Location
The Round Foundry Water Lane Leeds LS11 5QN
Library

Decision Approved Decision Date 27/03/2006
Add to my list
I dunno mate. The buildings adjacent to the Media Centre are being developed really slooowly. The oldest one (closest to the MC) has had it's scaffolding removed to reveal, erm a dlipadiated building, albeit with slightly less dilapidated bricks! The Green Sand Foundry office building is awaiting an occupier. The rest I undestood are to be offices too, but it looks like they'll be some active use on the ground floor. Which is nice as there is a lovely courtyard space in front of these buildings that cries out for some grass and trees and such-like.

Eventually, the car park in front of the MC will be developed too. No high rises but something in keeping with the rest I guess.

di Livio

April 7th, 2006, 04:16 PM

BBC Leeds, today

What kind of place?
The city of Leeds has seen a building boom in the last few years, now there is a chance to influence what shape the historic Holbeck area will take in the future.

Holbeck is a former industrial area, the birthplace of the industrial revolution in Leeds. The main approach to the area runs through the extraordinary Dark Arches, which contains the river Aire, rushing beneath the train station.Two hundred years ago activities such as flax spinning, iron casting and machine manufacturing were carried out in a range of steam-powered mills and workshops. Hundreds of families were also living in poor conditions in back-to-back houses.Now there is a heritage area of outstanding value with the Grade I listed Temple Works (with its Egyptian façade, modelled on the Temple of Horus at Edfu) and the Grade II listed Tower Works modelled on classical Italian towers. The Foundry Street area has some of the oldest surviving industrial workshop buildings in the world.

What Kind of Place? is an exhibition of the investment being planned for the area south of the city centre. The fun starts on Saturday 8 April, when you can pick up a guide to the exhibition and public artworks from Arch U, in the Dark Arches at Granary Wharf.

You can make your own way around the area, absorbing the sights and sounds and talking to guides along the way. Stewards will offer help throughout the day and collect your comments and responses on the plans.

It will be a great chance to discover Holbeck's historic buildings, and view 11 new installations of public art, collectively called Secrets and Light, that will link up to form a walking trail of the area for a month.

Planned changes include a new canal bridge to improve pedestrian and cycle access to the city centre. The original stream, the Hol Beck, still runs through the area and there are several proposals to improve this ancient water feature.

Leader of Leeds City Council, councillor Andrew Carter says:

"Holbeck Urban Village promises to become one of the most dynamic business environments in the UK and for it to be successful, it is important that neighbouring communities are involved from the start."

There will also be an exhibition at the Round Foundry at the heart of Holbeck Urban Village including a chance to take a 3D trip through the area. Pictures of the 62-acre area were scanned at a high resolution and then processed into the 3D model.

Stephen Meredith, of AMT3D was responsible for the photo-realistic model.

"with this new 3D visualisation you can explore the area from every angle. You can climb a tree to see how the view changes, or look out of a virtual window to view the buildings across the road.

"It helps people visualise the changes that are planned.

"I don't think it is the end of the architectural model but this 3D is the next generation of technology."

To view a video clip of the 3D model of Holbeck use the link on the right.

The exhibitions and public consultation will run until 21 April 2006 (except bank holidays).

For more details call 0113 244 4130

BBC Leeds website includes a 3D visualisation, which looks appalling on this computer. I'm sure i saw a tall structure around Whitehall Riverside.

http://bbc.co.uk/leeds/realmedia/civic_life/holbeck.ram

bobthebuilder

April 8th, 2006, 06:16 PM

so has this urban village been approved???ewhen will it commence???

Leeds No.1

April 8th, 2006, 06:27 PM

It already has started... since like 3 years ago or more...

di Livio

April 8th, 2006, 07:01 PM

Made it along to the Round Foundry and Dark Arches exhibition.

The proposals for the Arches look great, if a little Prada oriented.

The underpass will be sound-proofed and re-clad, which will make it a bit less threatening.

The stepped ISIS design remain part of the proposals. The block at the other end of the scheme (nearest to Tower Works) has become a (i didn't check the number of storeys) 15-ish storey proposal, cylindrical with a decent exterior design, I liked it. I wasn't convinced by the central block, which doesn'tlook that much different to the previous version and is far too bland for the site imo.

Going along to the Round Foundry exhibition, there were a lot of Beeston and Holbeck residents both in the media centre and, bizarrely, eating food in a small marquee erected in the courtyard. Resisting the temptation to grab a free lunch I made it to the media centre where they had some, sadly, familiar information about the scheme. I was particularly impressed with Yorkshire Forward's ambition for the site: it should be a world-class area for regeneration and be as significant to Leeds as Paris' Left Bank! Oh la la!

BWP is coming along nicely, but the cladding on the tower is nothing more than satisfactory.

A thumbs-up for the future of Leeds architecture and design. A thumbs-down for the number of forlorn-looking people out on the streets. Myself included.

Leeds No.1

April 8th, 2006, 07:04 PM

I don't see that many forlorn looking people around! If you see me around I'll probably be smiling even if I don't feel happy coz I cant help it. I dunno why its really annoying and makes my cheeks hurt ¬_¬

jimbo

April 8th, 2006, 09:15 PM

di Livio

April 8th, 2006, 09:35 PM

You didn't manage a sneaky pint at the Cross Keys did you?

Sadly no.
There were lots of young children running around and some formidable looking mothers, I didn't want any trouble.

One of the parents, sitting in front of a large map of the site with lots of hyperactive children sticking coloured dots on the green spaces. -

"Come on, kids. This is for you, not me. You're the future. I'll be dead soon (laughs)."

di Livio

April 9th, 2006, 10:53 PM

Proposals also included -

A traffic-free bridge across the river in the Dark Arches, with 'Juliet' viewing balconies, and new lighting and public art in the tunnels.

A canal bridge from Globe Road linking with the river bridge proposed for Whitehall Riverside.

A temporary pavilion on the Tower Works site as an exhibition and work space.

Re-paving the Water Lane area in Yorkstone, basalt and weathered steel.

A new multi-storey car park

The re-opening of the road under the bridge on Sweet Street.

jimbo

April 10th, 2006, 11:14 PM

Proposals also included -

A canal bridge from Globe Road linking with the river bridge proposed for Whitehall Riverside.

Re-paving the Water Lane area in Yorkstone, basalt and weathered steel.

A new multi-storey car park

The re-opening of the road under the bridge on Sweet Street.[/I]

Any sort of bridge will improve accessibility, especially from Whitehall Riverside across to the canal towpath;

Re-paving - a fine idea, but surely they need to wait until all the construction work is finished, lest they want lorries and heaven knows how ever many heavy goods vehicles buggering it up;

A multistorey car park is fine, but should be way down in in the south of the site near the old Reality distribution site; and

That end of Sweet Street is rather like the Gaza Strip at the moment. Derelict Temple Mills, the Commercial looking a sorry state and the blocked off road full of debris running west. It is an absolute state, but until some of the major schemes get going I can't really see the benefit in opening it yet.

magicrealist

April 11th, 2006, 01:04 PM

di Livio

April 11th, 2006, 01:12 PM

What did you think in general about the development? Summer is great as the courtyards are used for lots of outdoor events, plus the x keys has the big umbies under which to sip one's dortmunder. Marvellous.

I thought the whole Round Foundry area was superb. I don't think I've seen a more pleasant place to work in than the media centre; the facilities and interior design were first class.

The exhibition itself goes on until April 21st in both Arch U of the Dark Arches and the RF Media Centre.

di Livio

April 12th, 2006, 04:09 PM

Website back up to speed.

http://www.holbeckurbanvillage.co.uk/history/images/darkarches_001.jpg

http://www.holbeckurbanvillage.co.uk/index.htm

jimbo

April 12th, 2006, 10:17 PM

Its looking good - good to see individual project updates for all the residential and commercial developments, but rather perplexing that there isn't yet a mention of Igloo's second phase at Marshalls Mill.

Still, really goes to show the extent of development in the pipeline. The Linfoot scheme (Yoo, and Philip Starck) seems to be the first of these to kick off, as Construction News reported, starting on site in May.

jimbo

April 12th, 2006, 10:21 PM

Shame I wasn't there Di Liv - as the RFMC is where my office is. Although, I haven't been working there for a while, hence missing out on all the freebie stuff that goes off at and around the Round Foundry.

What did you think in general about the development? Summer is great as the courtyards are used for lots of outdoor events, plus the x keys has the big umbies under which to sip one's dortmunder. Marvellous.

Perhaps the next meet up could go to the other end of the city? Hmm, Reliance anyone? Good beer and a great bar. Nice grub too. Can check out North Street and environs...

absolutely - how's everyone looking on May 12th (or around that weekend). Am home briefly and for parental visiting and a dentist trip (absolute bugger getting an NHS dentist down here in London Village). The Reliance was my brother's local, a fine little spot. Hansas is also rather good, especially for the Spice Bomb (spicy stuffed potato!). Could manage a pub crawl to the North Bar and Mojos which are just five minutes away.

jimbo

April 12th, 2006, 10:36 PM

Just as a reminder - this is the masterplan which was on the old website, but I can't yet find on the new site:

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5704/holbeckmap2hf.jpg

Smoggie_Si

April 13th, 2006, 12:33 AM

absolutely - how's everyone looking on May 12th (or around that weekend). Am home briefly and for parental visiting and a dentist trip (absolute bugger getting an NHS dentist down here in London Village). The Reliance was my brother's local, a fine little spot. Hansas is also rather good, especially for the Spice Bomb (spicy stuffed potato!). Could manage a pub crawl to the North Bar and Mojos which are just five minutes away.

Hey Jimbo, would be well up for a Leeds meet up, but I'm around your 'hood in Shepherds Bush Bush Bush seeing The Rakes play that weekend! :)

Another weekend and I will certainly pop up for a few beers with new and old SSC faces :cheers:

LeedsLad

April 14th, 2006, 08:30 PM

How about as well as using the disused viaduct as a 'SkyWalk' (footpath), allowing guided buses up there. HUV's own dedicated buslane into town with no traffic...

The Elland Road 'end' is at ground level anyway and they'd just need some sort of ramp at the other end (or a bus lift)...

This fantastic 'Skywalk' sounds like a good place to get mugged after 6pm if you ask me...

JOliver

April 14th, 2006, 09:56 PM

How about as well as using the disused viaduct as a 'SkyWalk' (footpath), allowing guided buses up there.

I am definitely missing a point there, what's the benefit of a "guided" bus vs "normal (unleashed)"? Had a bad fortune taking them daily from city centre to Colton, part of the way was "guided", and it slowed down a bus quite a lot, and it bounced from side to side all the time.... :down:

LeedsLad

April 14th, 2006, 11:53 PM

I agree with you in part... Guided busways are ridiculously expensive and have little benefit over the red 'normal' bus lanes... The benefit (as far as I can tell) is that access is limited to buses only (unlike the normal bus lanes which are open to bikes, taxis, minibuses, ignorant drivers, broken down cars etc...).
I think the benefit of having a guided busway up on the viaduct would be that it would be much harded for any bus to crash off the top of the viaduct. It would stop any taxi's/illegal drivers going up there. It would take less space than a normal bus lane (it only needs be exactly as wide as the bus).
Anyway either way I think it would be good to let buses use it as a way into town, guided or not...

Fred2

April 16th, 2006, 12:04 AM

I am definitely missing a point there, what's the benefit of a "guided" bus vs "normal (unleashed)"? Had a bad fortune taking them daily from city centre to Colton, part of the way was "guided", and it slowed down a bus quite a lot, and it bounced from side to side all the time.... :down:

This bouncing or jolting was noticeable from the start more than ten years ago when the guided bus system on the Scott Hall Road corridor was constructed.
My wife who has a bad back hates it and we avoid those buses like the plague (fortunately we have a choice where we live). I heard that on one section the guideway was made slightly wider than spec and that makes it even worse! One of the park and ride carparks which was supposed to have been built to catch some of the Harrogate commuters was abandoned because of residents' protests. What a waste of money!

di Livio

May 3rd, 2006, 07:20 PM

Proposed Neville Street improvements

http://www.baumanlyons.co.uk/files/neville%20street%20visual_362px.jpg

The Viaduct

http://www.baumanlyons.co.uk/files/landscapeimages%20for%20web(1).jpg

Val Verde

May 3rd, 2006, 07:39 PM

The Neville Street tunnel looks a bit better than what is there now on that render. What they really need to do is to bring the Dark arches to life as isn't there many long empty warehouses underneath Leeds City station?

http://www.leodis.org/imagesLeodis/screen/58/10158.jpg

As for the Viaduct would'nt it be a better idea perhaps to reserve for potential future transport use such as light rail, metro, tgv or even maglev (although they could find an interim use such as that walkway)?

PS: When did the derelict viaduct become derelict in the first place? Was it when the Leeds - London line got electrified as I once saw a picture of a train over this viaduct from 1980?

JOliver

May 3rd, 2006, 08:39 PM

Infrastructure
GENERAL PROPERTY PROPOSALS & DEALS
.... A total of 228 car parking spaces will be provided in the Dark Arches to serve the hotel and apartments.

From another thread, and quite worrying I must say. I hoped for the most, if not all of the Dark Arches to be transformed, and using them for parking is such a waste!

This could be a great place for something more exciting than parking/storage - an art exhibition, independent stores/market, small art cinema, you name it.

Leeds No.1

May 3rd, 2006, 08:44 PM

small cinema? It could be converted into a really big cinema, but I think it would be a really good location for a heritage museum about Leeds' changing waterfront.

LeedsLad

May 3rd, 2006, 08:56 PM

As for the Viaduct would'nt it be a better idea perhaps to reserve for potential future transport use such as light rail, metro, tgv or even maglev (although they could find an interim use such as that walkway)?

PS: When did the derelict viaduct become derelict in the first place? Was it when the Leeds - London line got electrified as I once saw a picture of a train over this viaduct from 1980?

I contacted Metro to suggest using it as a guided busway (or normal bus lane). They said they had contacted HUV about it.... Probs at the end nearest town as there is no access, needs a ramp or a bus lift...
As a walkway, after 6pm, you're gonna get mugged.... No one can see you up there and there's no where to run. Even if someone sees you getting mugged from the ground, they can't come and help you...

Leeds No.1

May 3rd, 2006, 08:58 PM

Cycleway? If the area improves, crime will drop- it could be decked with cameras and stuff- really if you think about it you could be mugged anywhere.

LeedsLad

May 3rd, 2006, 09:10 PM

But much more likely when no passing cars/buses/police cars/pedestrains can see you from street level, when there's nowhere to run, no way of avoiding walking past dubious looking people without turning back etc... Send the buses up there, much more useful...

Leeds No.1

May 3rd, 2006, 09:48 PM

Could have a little shuttle railway type thing- a bit like the link from Birmingham Airport-Birmingham Airport Station. And it could also be used as a park and ride for people coming in from the motorways- it would work with buses but trains are cooler and more efficent :)

aviator

May 4th, 2006, 12:20 AM

From another thread, and quite worrying I must say. I hoped for the most, if not all of the Dark Arches to be transformed, and using them for parking is such a waste!

This could be a great place for something more exciting than parking/storage - an art exhibition, independent stores/market, small art cinema, you name it.

The arches under the station cover a huge amount of space and, while it would be good to see the whole lot brought back into public use, we have to acknowledge the needs of users nearby such as the Queens Hotel or City House. Talking of which, the City House carpark is quite amazing. The pedestrian access to it is at the top right hand of Neville Street, just opposite the Scarbrough Pub (the spelling of that is correct, by the way!). It has much more internal height than the arches the other side of Neville Street, and I think would make the most fantastic club space, much better than the area used for Federation.

magicrealist

May 4th, 2006, 12:34 PM

The pedestrian access to it is at the top right hand of Neville Street, just opposite the Scarbrough Pub (the spelling of that is correct, by the way!)
Why do you say that avi?

I'm sure it is marked as the Scarborough Hotel on its elegantly-tiled exterior...also it has a blue plaque! Affectionately known as the "scabby taps", it has a fascinating history which you can read about inside the pub. So anyone old enough to drink can find out about its rich heritage.

daveylad2

May 4th, 2006, 07:33 PM

LeedsLad

May 4th, 2006, 09:21 PM

Letter in today's YEP - suggesting use of HUV viaduct for Light Rail to Elland Road: http://www.southleedsproject.co.uk/

aviator

May 4th, 2006, 09:58 PM

Why do you say that avi?

I'm sure it is marked as the Scarborough Hotel on its elegantly-tiled exterior...also it has a blue plaque! Affectionately known as the "scabby taps", it has a fascinating history which you can read about inside the pub. So anyone old enough to drink can find out about its rich heritage.

I was just making the point that my spelling of the pub's name was neither a typo nor a demonstration of my inability to spell; I know there's been a bit of agitation lately about posts that are almost illegible.

It's been a few years since my regular drinking days in the Scarbrough but, as I recall, it had a cracking choice of beers as well as having an excellent chip shop across the road. Mind you, I suppose when you've sunk a few pints more than you should, even the rankest kebab can taste like heaven.

magicrealist

May 5th, 2006, 11:51 AM

I was just making the point that my spelling of the pub's name was neither a typo nor a demonstration of my inability to spell; I know there's been a bit of agitation lately about posts that are almost illegible.

It's been a few years since my regular drinking days in the Scarbrough but, as I recall, it had a cracking choice of beers as well as having an excellent chip shop across the road. Mind you, I suppose when you've sunk a few pints more than you should, even the rankest kebab can taste like heaven.
Wow! Just goes to show how the brain can be tricked. Well, my humblest apologies Mr Aviator.

Another pub round the corner called the Prince of Wales is, allegedly, also known as the Princess of Wales!

That chippy avi is not so good now. Even Crown Fisheries by the Corn Exchange is not what it used to be. Ho hum. Although I do believe the one at the bottom of Kirkgate next to the Duck & Drake still makes a fine haddock and chips.